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Another rangers Captain set to bit the dust..well Drury didn't sign him it was Gorton. Trouba is physical, decent defensively but needs a puck carrier with him. Playoffs won't work . It will be interesting this season .

TD. Lol. You're such a condescending nob sometimes. No you don't need to educate me on anything to do with hockey. Once again flinging your opinion around like it's factual. Lol.

I like Rempe’s skating and thats about it. Im not down on him but I dont think he is ready for use beyond his fists. He needs to be more than that to be in the NHL.

HOSPO: I still want more jam on the blue line and in the bottom-6. Sissions is a much better hockey player than Carrick. And mind you, I wasnt a huge fan of his signing based on history he does seem to fit well in NY. I think having another F/O man is needed. I like Sissions because he plays the game full speed every shift. Things happen on the ice when he is there. And he helps with the team-toughness quotient. Not so much the fighting. Hes just a hard guy to play against. Lauzon I want for right now and for the future. Chances are they will move away from Lindgren and obviously Trouba is almost guaranteed headed out. So, youre adding a reliable and physical defender at a good number for right now and he helps make that defensive corps more formidable. Something I think they need a bit more of.

TDCHI - Can't say I agree on REMPE and the liability becasue I'm not sure if his line was scored on in his miniscule minutes...Also can't say I agree on the greatness of the meh 4th line either (although I like the edge that Carrick plays with and his PK), especially Edstrom who doesn't seem to do much of anything but be big most of the time

Hospo - REMPE wasn't benched/demoted because LAVIOLETTE doesn't like that kind of player. He was benched and demoted because he was a liability out there and made the fourth line ineffective. And OLIVIER? He isn't much better.

Hospo - REMPE wasn't benched/demoted because LAVIOLETTE doesn't like that kind of player. He was benched

RF4L - Dude? C'mon meow. Do I really need to explain how ridiculous that statement is? That's like the bozos last night prattling on about the offensive prowess of Keifer SHERWOOD. Dusters like this who make their living banging bodies don't some how wake up one day and suddenly become genuine top-9 players. OLIVIER isn't and never will be that kind of player. He is a talentless goon, and even goons get lucky sometimes.

RF4L - OK, sounds like i need to watch more of him! If he can score a little , fight and play with high energy, I'd take him over EDSTROM ..but doesn't make sense for CBJ to dump him...Gotta be a fan favorite there

Olivier has 6 goals. That's more than Zbad Trocheck KK Smith and the entire 4th line. Just saying....

E - So, you are saying Sissons over your boy Carrick (who I have been pleasntly surprised by)?? :)..Both would be overkill, no?

Forget Olivier. Go to Nashville and get me Lauzon and Sissions. More snarl on the blue line and more snarl, F/O, and PK on the bottom-6.

RF4L - Olivier can throw them for sure but I see no other redeeming quqaluty about the guy..and, if Laviolette won't play Remps, he won't play that guy

Considering the long term of the season, Carrick with his ES and PK play and, to a lesser degree, EDSTROM have been fine and we could do worse, but I also think the Rangers can improve on the 4th line.with a wing or center that plays with speed, attitude and on the edge..Just a wish list, nothing more

If Olivier can be had for a reasonable return I think he'd be a wise acquisition.

TDCHI - Basically said the same thing in my two posts...Just let the healthy bodies play for awhile and see where the biggest need is if they play their best... many of us have said that winning the CUP with the same top six forwards is not doable..I still believe that but any change there would be a huge big boy ballsy move and complicated.......Now, I do not want to break up the kid line if Laviolette gives them the ice time they deserve (questionable) but, if he doesn't, moving Cuylle up could be an internal option for putting size/talent/grit in the top six with SMith-Chytl-KK) or if CHYTL returns to the IR (not really a stretch) or, Cuylle moves up to the top six and they try to obtain a rugged with some talent 3rd center to play with Smith and Kakkao....Eh, faggeadabout it.....jsut let them play and see what shakes in a few months.........DEFENSE is another story.....With FOX and JONES you have two fairly finessey type D men and, I am sorry becasue I love him, but LINDGREN has all the heart in the world but just keeps playing smaller from year to year..and is injury prone...Keep him but A big tough vet d-man will be a no brainer

By the way...a guy who got/gets a lot of flack on this very wall...Jonny BRODZINSKI...that guy has been a very nice injury fill-in this season. It's batshit crazy to lose a talent like CHYTIL, plug in a guy like him, and have that line fire like nothing ever changed...some of that, mind you, is because of two phenomenal young players coming into their own with CUYLLE and KAKKO...but BRODZ has played very well between them for two games. Not a longterm solution, mind you, but the dude is more than carrying his water for a guy most here refer to as an AHL lifer/duster...the other guy who has been quietly have a very, very good season? Jimmy VESEY...Those bottom two lines have really been holding this team together in a lot of ways.

Level set here: Who are we moving out to fit in these players via trade? Before you answer, consider this: The BEST line...game in and game out, has been KAKKO-CHYTIL-CUYLLE/BRODZINSKI. Second best line...game in and game out...EDSTROM-CARRICK-VESEY/BRODZINSKI...so if you're talking about changing things up and IMPROVING the team...you're really rolling the dice to move/bench one of those guys...with CHYTIL coming back soon, who are we benching to fit in a knuckle-dragging fourth liner from a bottom-feeder team? So that brings us to the top six forwards. Forget trading anyone from LAFRENIERE-TROCHECK-PANARIN. Ain't happening. And then there were three: KREIDER, Z and SMITTY Jr. KREIDER ain't getting moved. That much is clear...and as much as some fans rant up and down about Z, I really don't see the Rangers doing a move there...I guess maybe if Vancouver decided to move on from MILLER, we could do an even swap...but that's fantasy land again...SOOOOOO...that leaves SMITTY Jr. as you one forward that makes sense...SOME sense, mind you...to move. He's been OK, but his line has been all but ineffective. He's not particularly physical, but actually does a pretty good forecheck...I guess the two caveats you could add would be EDSTROM...trying to get an upgrade there...which OLIVIER most certainly isn't...Or CARRICK...but you're again playing with fire by dismantling something that is working as opposed to doing something about a line that isn't...I can do the same exercise on D, where the options are even more bleak...but I think y'all get the point...sadly, the best deal would probably be to swap LAVIOLETTE with MONTGOMERY...but again...fantasy land here...

They do have a pair of firsts but I highly doubt Drury is in the market for draft picks as much as I'd like to see the Rangers add that way.

RF4L - re: Nashville trade options? Not really. None that make much sense. Obviously, we could realize the destiny that escaped the Rangers and Sather in 2008, and bring STAMKOS over for the next few years. They'd need to eat several million in salary, so that's probably not gonna happen...A reunion with Brady SKJEI is also interesting if the decision is made to move on from one or the other with MILLER and LINDGREN...but...does that really make sense? Not really to me. Not unless they basically pay us to take his contract...fans would absolutely LOVE Jeremey LAUZON...but...he ain't gonna do much other than plow people. Average defender on a good team. I'd promote Brandon SCANLIN before trading for him...The only one guy who kinda makes sense is the big Finnish center that have Juuso PARSSINEN...Now THAT is a guy I would trade for...but he's probably not the type of player TROTZ is looking at moving...

RF4L - The Jet game doesn't bother me becasue the team played well and even with the Jets except that ZBAD and his line really shit the bed that game..Hopefully last night begins a rebirth of ZBAD...OTOH, the CAPS and PANTHER games are a real worry..Even healthy, no way do we have the roster to beat FLA in a series right now..and the CAPs wwould be a physical battle also.....The way I see it, everybody puts their big pants on and plays up to their fullest and stays healthy, DRURY will owe it to the team and fans to get the 1 or 2 players (top 9 physical and, for sure, a vet physical D-man) at the Deadline..I know you don't like these deals but I really don't see any core-shakin type of deals (that includes Miller)..but it's a Longggggg season

Vcp. And the Rangers have already been beaten soundly by 3 of those teams (Florida Washington and the Jets). A tad disconcerting.

Rf4l yep to those teams as well. The heavy teams that forecheck we can't handle.

BTW, Winnipeg followed by Washington and the Minnesota occupy the top 3 spots overall in the standings.

vcp: For sure - the fact the Rangers are beating those teams shouldn't be ignored.

Rf4l yes and and least we are beating them ..we have a long way to go I am not optimistic nor pessimistic..I don't see a cup as constructed.

Olivier of the BJs, the guy who pummeled Rempe last year, is apparently on the trading block. A 27 year pending UFA right winger, if the Rangers decide they'd prefer to keep Rempe in Hartford for the year, IMO he's worth checking out.

Perennial Ranger fan favourite Vatrano on pace for 10 goals and 35 points. Yikes.

Any players on Nashville of interest to the Rangers? Big rumours this morning that Trotz's patience has finally run out and he's looking to make a big trade or 2 in effort to walk his team up.

RF4L - Edstrom has been fine, far form sucking..I just want to see more from him, same as with other players..that's just me

And sorry to poo-poo a decent victory a bit but remember the Canucks missing 2 of their top offensive threats in Miller and Boeser and their number 1 goalie...

Hospo: FWIW, I think Edstrom has been fine. I wonder however how he'd fared on the 3rd line, not that that's about to happen, barring injuries.

andrei: Methinks your love of all things Miller is prejudicing your viewpoint on him, similar to how your hatred of all things Zbad impacts your opinion, albeit in an opposite way. Miller has had far more bad shifts/games this year vs good. When he looked like he was emerging last year, he was moving the puck confidently including carrying it up ice himself.

andrei - OK..was that in reference to my take on EDSTROM after 15 games? I just think he could be a little more "dynanmic" but i guess he is playing the way the coach wants him to..

Hospo, I think maybe the grind takes it's toll on rookies. Last year it was Cuylle, who hit the wall around December time, than came back string in Feb, but for about month and half, Cuylle was struggling.

PJ - BRODZ was indeed fine but Cuylle and KK were working their asses off...They are fun to watch...TRO took a stupid penalty but he was playing chippy as hell

ZBAD back up to his 22 minutes..though he did play better and seemed to have more jump...I know i am in the minority of 1 but too often EDSTROM seems slow and lumbering to me..needs to play a tad more more reckless IMWO

Also nice to see the third line keep clicking with JBRO filling in….Two goals and a strong game from that line….

CM, i don't know about that. Sure, there was a long stretch, when Miller was awful, but there were games early on, when Miller was very good as well. Again, playing on the pair with Fox.

D play still needs plenty of work…Fox and Miller played well tonight…Igor not slot of work in this one…

TRADE - wow..way to pull that Maruk reference out of your ass! A good one..the reference....the stache was more Gartnerish..but definitely a Maruk vibe!

Good win on the road. Take points when you can. Not a masterpiece, but at least Shesti did not have to steal the game. Still, defensive coverage needs major work. Too many breakdowns, even against a weak team.

PJ - Agreed- No way Millers been awful for all but a few games this season and it ain’t his partner’s fault. That said, his last two games have been impressive. I think tonight the 3rd period was pretty solid. Outshot the Canucks, who got some chances at the end because of the power play and desperation, but Rangers (and Shesty) didn’t buckle!

Not always pretty..but another good road win..did what they had to to..but still a lot to work on

Miller hasn’t been covering up for anyone…. He has flat out sucked this year..

ZShit's line with two goals? Good play by ZShit, but what a play that Smith made.. Nice goal. Good work all around.

ZShit's line with two goals? Good play by ZShit, but what a play that Smith maid.. Nice goal. Good work all around.

Limbo, good site, indeed. Btw, this might be the first game in long while, when Fox is looking somewhat like an old Fox. Again, Miller have played very study game last game and this one. People love to pick on Miller, but maybe his play suffers when he is covering up for his partner?

Andrei - I agree with everything you’re saying - it’s a Christmas Miracle, lol. In addition to just the old fashioned eye test, I must be looking at the same stats you are. This site is pretty good: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/pairings.php?fromseason=20242025&thruseason=20242025&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=NYR&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410

3rd line is the best, even with Jbro .. god we piss around with the puck in our own end...

Hospo - I think compounding all this is the usage. As much as possible, put the 3rd pair out there with only the 3rd or 4th line. At least they will get an honest backcheck, some kind of forward d zone coverage, and a bit of physicality. The prancing of the Zshit and Pshit lines with that 3rd pair is deadly.

Hospo, it's pick your poison. Fox-Lindy have being terrible this season so far, Miller-Trouba is another terrible combo. Only Schneider-Jones and Miller-Fox have played well together. What do you do. Shutdown pair is Miller-Fox. Over 20 minutes a game. +2 tonight. Lindy-Trouba, -2.

Bottom line on the D is you cn only go with wht you have..and Troubs-Lindgren is a nightmare pairing...Poor choice by Big Country in my eyes..Even more, the team does not have a shut down pair the way Laviolette is deploying them

Andrei - dealer’s choice? Lol. I don’t think either one has been that good for a few years now. And for all his faults, I think DRURY knows this as well - see Lindy’s 1 year contract and the TROUBS summer drama. Very curious if he tries something dramatic. I can see a few kids and the first getting moved for a decent Dman. TROUBA would only waive his no trade to a local rival, and I can’t see NYR doing that. Lindy might be the man on the move. If they don’t move him, and they don’t play JONES (who I would play over both) - SCHNEIDER/LINDY only spent a few minutes together, but they actually had great advanced stats. Then pair TROUBA/new guy. It’s a shame that this much tinkering on D needs to happen. 3 years ago, I am sure GMCD thought he was all good on the backend for this window. That is how much these 2 guys have fallen.

Cuylle and Kakko are the players that are hard to play against...EDSTROM seems to tire quickly on shifts

Andrei - Panarina-TRo-Laffy have been playing that way for awhile..too damn pretty and prancing...but..they played a real good 2-way game the other night..but back to the sloppy soft shit tonight

Panerin's line is playing a way to loose defensively. Again, where is the fucken coach when you need him to address that as overall bad defensive coverage..

Where the fuck were the forwards and the backcheck, mainly Panarina and TRO, on that one?

ANDREI - If so, and i'm not sure what stats, I stand ccorrected! Just don't see it..

Ya know..KK and Cuylle grind and go to the net..and, wow, score...and then LAFFY trys to play his pretty and finesse game..He still reverts at times

Limbo, who is playing worst? Lindgren or Trouba? To me, Lindgren have not looked good ever since coming back. Rust? Maybe. But his timing if way off.

ANdrei - NOt busting on them for tonight..but for their body of work together..they just don't thrill me as a pair..I still think we go back to Fox-Lindgren...Fox looks slowest when the game gets real physical

Hospo, have to disagree. Miller-Fox pair have played well together. Problem there is that Fox does not look 100%. Something is off his game.

SJW nails this - just brutal, brutal plays by those 2 guys. The first issue with Lindgren and Trouba is that, if you break them up, they make every other pairing worse. The second issue is that they should be getting shielded 3rd pair and PK only. Lindy is gone at the end of this year anyway. Does Drury have the stones to make a move now?

NYStranger, sure, Trouba and Lindgren is mixbag, but there is a reason on why ZShit is -2 in the game. Forwards have to make the right plays in the defensive zone. On the 1st goal. ZShit leaves his assignment and goes to retrieve the puck near the boards, while there were two Rangers already and of course puck is retrieved by Canucks and ZShit ended up defending low post, while middle of the ice was wide open, resulting in a goal. On the 2nd, ZShit was caught too deep. Speaking of D, everyone's whipping boy Miller, is quietly is having a very good game, and he was fantastic last game as well.

We want to bust on Zbad for all things wrong in Rangerland and for good reason. We want to despair the lack of center depth. We want to worry about Igor and his next contract. But I will tell you, this team will go nowhere if the D keeps playing like they are. Just week physically, and make mindless, boneheaded plays nightly by pretty much all 7 guys. If they don’t collectively play better and if the team D (forwards included) doesn’t tighten up A LOT we are looking at a 6-8 seed team and another one and done in the POs.

It's been really really hard to get 3 D pairs playing well together for some reason..Jones-Schneider has been very very good (and will get the least ice!) but still not sure if that is the way to go....And I am still not a fan of the Fox-MIller pairing either...Less said bout Troubs-lindgren (except on the PK) the better

Mindless playing by vet D ...WTF are u doing out there... Trouba drops to a knee way to early and Hughes says thnx for the middle of the ice buddy .. Lindgren drifting off his line into the centre leaving a lane to the net open .. unbelievable...

Agree Lindgren and Trouba struggle big time….We should not be tied in this game…Canucks can be had..Backup goalie and they have been struggling…

Decent start after few terrible plays defensively. Never understood a need to force 1st PP unit. Kappo is having a hell of the 1st period. Cuylle is on crisp of taking the next step. So much fun to watch!! JBro is like an anchor on the line. Slows them down and get's on a way. Even ZShit's line is having a nice jump.

I don't know if it's a TSN guy or a Canucks guy, but the play by play guy is pretty good to listen to...makes up for Chicken Parm..who, I admit, is better than when on ESPN/TNT

Instincts or confidence or combo of both..He is doing all the little things right though

Great shift by the 3rd line..love the way Kakkao and CUylle can keep possession of the puck...They need CHYTL though

NYStranger - Oh man...I mean, the prize this summer will probably be Jimmy HAGENS, who is definitely a prize...not sure if he reaches generational status or not...but he's on par with CELEBRINI for sure. Maybe BEDARD. Would NOT put it past the Pens at all to pull the plug early this season and hit full-on tank mode in a desperate pitch to get him or this big Canadian winger, Porter MARTONE, who is making the OHL his bitch. Also a good Swedish center, Anton FRONDELL, will probably be up there too...good draft, not sure if it'll rise to exceptional though...still...I'll put another few dents in the ol' fridge if HAGENS ends up on the Pens.

vcp1994 - HAHA! I know, right?! I was joking with a buddy who is pretty plugged into the Bruins that he could be coming. He was like 'oh you heard that too?!' They're also supposedly courting Joel QUENVILLE too. I mean, SWEENEY and SEABASS are at the top of that organization, so it doesn't surprise me too much that they're fishing in the pond where the Old Boy Network swims...I will say this: I will be a little pissed if they DO get Dave QUINN because my hope...my dream...is that they finally bite the bullet and fire SULLY and then name him as successor. WHOA BOY would that make my day. QUINN behind the Penguins' bench...

COMark: LOL No my drill Sgt didn’t think Pugil Sticks were worth the time. So we boxed.

He won a record season president trophy I recall lololol geeee the curse of the president in so many ways lolololo

Humm…is the next McDavid coming in this years draft or something? Funny how Pittsburgh and now the Bruins might be giving San Jose a run for worst team this season. Gary, I'll take conspiracies for $1000…

Didn't see if this was mentioned. Ovechkin out week to week after a knee on knee with McBain during Utah game. We will see if that team can handle things without him. Was a nice story while it lasted…LOL.

Tdchi you make me laugh..no way that happens..c'mon now really..bad joke no way.but that would be hilarious

vcp1994 - LOL, y'all know who is allegedly in the running for his replacement?!?! I'll give you a hint: He's a product of lovely Cranston, RI, has deep connections to the Boston area, a summer home in Misquamicut, is part of the BU mafia, and has those piercing blue eyes that make you wonder if there's anything going on behind them other than the brain equivalent of a hamster periodically running on a wheel. He can take a bad team and make it terrible, and a good team and make it below average. He's currently helping SULLY get a pink slip and is planning a great memoire that's in the making called "Failing Upward: How I Rode the Good Ol' Boys Network to Riches."

Hospo - I would trade for FREDERIC in a heartbeat...and I sort of wonder if the Bruins would entertain it. He is DEFINITELY in the group of massively-underperforming Bruins, and at 26, the dude is really at a juncture in his career where it's sink or swim. He's also a UFA at the end of the season. Not sure what it'd take, but probably a good young player not far away or who has already made it...wouldn't get him for table scraps, that's for sure. Not that I want to lose CARRICK, but him between EDSTROM and VESEY would be nasty. Or centering KAKKO and CUYLLE...but you have to give to get and I suspect the Bruins firing of MONTE is an indication they still think this season is salvageable. Who knows though? Maybe Sea Bass and Sweeney are of my mindset and he's the guy they choose. Think COYLE or ZACHA would fall first.

Can't believe bruins fired their coach . Hired to be fired so true..poor starts happens gees Louise can't be 60-22 then win a cup..tough sport. He said no to the rangers how funny is that.

Yeah, the MONTGOMERY firing is fucking nuts. That's a knee-jerk move, and a stupid one. He's one of the best coaches in the game right now. Honestly...and I say this with little doubt, I would can LAVIOLETTE in a heartbeat to get him in the mix. Or just bring him on as an assistant and maybe punt Dan MUSE to the curb...But yeah, the Bruins are in rough shape. And this move? Well, it ain't gonna change much...but the whole goddamn team is underperforming. Frankly, I would've made a trade. Sent one of the vets packing to San Jose or some other loser destination. Tell the rest of the team that for every three losses, another player gets traded.

re: CHYTIL, great news. And I figured as much...of course I figured as much last season and he was out for all but a handful of games...but let's not bring THAT up...in this instance? The second he got up, you could see the refs motion him to the bench/gate. Right there, someone at the NHL level ordered him into concussion protocol, so he was cleared by the NHL to return...and obviously the Rangers let him return, probably based initially on the NHL's word and CHYTIL himself...So my thoughts? The Rangers are just being overly cautious keeping him out and making sure he gets enough rest. And good on them if that's the case. CHYTIL is a fantastic young player...I still think about the WJCs when he was zipping around with two other highly touted Czechs...ZADINA and more importantly, Marty NECAS...NECAS was the best, by far. ZADINA was a second. And CHYTIL was a very close third...If he is healthy, he could very easily be a 50-60 point player. Maybe better.

Wow, BRUINS fired MONTGOMERY...God, i love seeing that team suck...Trade for FREDERICK

Wild- A punch in basic training? WEre you in a boxing ring or did someone not like your take on the Rangers? lol

I was just in the Bay Area this weekend and was talking to a guy I used to sit with at a lot of Sharks games and we were talking Chytl. It’s funny because he thought that Chytl was a bit like Hertl. Just a guy with a ton of talent who constantly battled every injury under the sun earlier in his career. However, if Chytl was following that path Hertl while never going to be what he looked like before injury turned out to be a pretty solid player once he got himself healthy and some momentum. I think Chytl is leaving so much on the table right now. Not his fault, but the guy is just walking that injury bug edge. I’d like to think he is moving past all that ugliness thats eaten his career up thus far.

Wow, that's a bummer for the Canucks. Not for nothing, but I had heard one of the leading reasons MILLER was moved from the Rangers was that he was hitting the booze pretty hard and doing some not so nice things. Who knows though...oddly enough...I was wondering if a Z-for-MILLER trade might work for both teams...MILLER is very much the center this team could use. Not, of course, with a raging substance use and/or mental health problem.

Wildcard very interesting information. I saw the replay several times and Miller didn't even hit him. Chytil ran into him..I just feel OMG every time somebody does something you wonder. This guy in the playoffs I don't see chytil having success but Crosby amazingly isn't nearly as fragile. Either chytil is fragile or doesn't know how to protect himself on th ice???

By the way. The Pack had an early game today. Like a no one eastern start or some such. Anyway, Belzile had an Even strength goal, a short handed goal, a powerplay goal and the only shootout goal in a 5-4 victory. That’s one hell of a night…errrr…day

Report via X and Bluesky saying that Millers leave is NOT related to any substance abuse issue and that it is more related to a “reset”. That he is having difficulty getting himself to 100% this season. Would think that’s leaning towards mental health, but brought on by what who knows. Earlier reports were that his wife deleted all of her social media. This could be in response so she isn’t blown up there or it’s was a planned thing because something bigger family wise is ongoing. Let’s hope for all involved he is doing ok and his family is ok and he jsut realized he needed to step back to get his mental self back feeling better.

Great news on CHYTIL. I'm glad the team is being overly cautious with him. Probably another reason why GROULX wasn't recalled.

The JT Miller news comes on the heels of his being benched in the 3rd period of Sunday's loss. I am going to guess it's either mental health issues or he's going to enter the NHL's Substance Abuse program. Either way, best of luck to him.

Encouraging news on Chytil.. sometimes an unexpected hit can cause an rather awkward fall ..and injury.. just my personal experience

Vancouver Canucks @Canucks · 6m Canucks Forward J.T. Miller to take indefinite leave for personal reasons.

Expect our old friend JT MILLER to come out on fire tonight after being benched by TOCCHET in the 3rd period of the last game..Different coaches use different strategies..

vcp: Keep in mind who you are talking about. I said it and took a ton of crap do it (not here) that we need to wait. Because Chytil is a guy that basically if he wakes up with a headache after a game he would be sat and checked. They were not going to base his health only on team internal trainers and doctors and would let a specialist make every call, at least for a while. I didn’t jump to any conclusions about his current injury. But let’s say his jaw did pop out and back in, I’ve had that happen from a punch during Army Basic training. Hurt like hell, has a he’ll of a headache and was evaluated for a concussion with a diagnosis giving me the all clear. For Chytil, it probably took 2-3 days of visits with a specialist comparing his baseline results, doing imaging and all sorts of things while simultaneously waiting to see if the pain subsided a way that pointed to a physical rather than neurological injury. I think we also have to get used to that sort of handling of this guy. Any sign that might be a concussion and he will get an extra long look where another player will get the protocol and if cleared basically have to tough it out.

It's important to note that Chytil may not play in the Calgary game because he's still considered day to day. I can only assume the injury is neck/shoulder related?

Dude is just fragile he is going to get killed out there..heck miller stopped and chytil ran into him.. I don't know......glad he didn't suffer another concussion that is still wonderful news. He can't get any stronger can he ????

That's huge for CHTYL ..and the Rangers..Still....Fingers permanently crossed for the kid.

Holly crap really chytil is ok then what the hell happened????? He ran into a teammate and got slimmed lolol wow ..I think that is great news or is it.

Chytil update: A specialist has determined he did not suffer a concussion and will rejoin the Rangers in Calgary. Wow! What a massive relief!

E - The other night was the first game in a long while that the top line didn't join ZBAD's line in trying to out-skill and out-finesse everybody....Panarina played a good two way game and TRO/LAFFY were like last year..Unless ZBAD has a major transforamtion, I don't see that line ever playing that way...And you mention BUCH, it shows how good he was and how hard he worked to make it work with ZBAD-Kreider, which is almost impossible

I see absolutely no sign that too much in the Rangers playbook has changed. I still see the 1-3-1 being deployed. I still see a defense that 5v5 seems inexplicably loose. The PP structure has changed slightly but I don't think for the worse. I do think the team is lacking that ability to establish a forecheck. They are constantly trying to “skill” their way into the zone. The 3rd line was working so well in my opinion was because they were using give and go passing thru the neutral zone and when the defender closed on them they thru it behind the net and went down there and got it. And Cuyle and Kakko had no issue getting in there and battling. Chytl also cruised that area in support looking for the kick out and he fired the puck every time he got it. It was basic hockey. Just grind it out stuff and go to the net. Cuyle was very productive because the moment the puck was on Chytl’s stick Cuyle was in front of the net. I’m not looking for the Trocheck line to play this way because theyre a different animal altogether. I do expect Zibanejad’s line to play this way and they just haven’t this season. And maybe its appropriate to point this out: Smith has been an upgrade on the RW for Zibanejad but to me? They’re still struggling to find that chemistry. And its ridiculous to me. These two have not found anyone who can play effective RW since Buchnevich was moved? That’s crazy but I think its true.

Spin it anyway you want about the Nyr and the organization and you might be right. For the pk to be that good but the 5-5 to be not good in their defensive game points straight to the coach . He seems to think offense first which I disagree with. And that’s why the goalies have to be better than they should have to be. And I doubt lardiolette’s mo and the possibility of an epiphany to change is not something I would not bet the house on. It’s why they have not been able to win 16 postseason games for the last 30 years. Until Dd drury gets it and really changes her the culture it will be rinse and repeat. So far they continue to prove that. It doesn’t seem that they really care about winning the cup . Making the playoffs is good enough, until they don’t.

Tdchi I keep track of the the rangers but other teams not as closely. Good thing you do keep track lololol. Good to have you and other's here. Some of you folks not me could probably run the organization better than Drury.

TDCHI - i'm kinda with you on th Devils and Caps..The Devils still don't worry me one iota..a good team, talent, but nothing special...And, yes, the CAPS will come back a bit because the talent level isn't that high..although guys like Strome, McMichael and that freaking beast Protas are on the upswing.....but they also have no passengers and have bought in to their coaches philospohy of physical , bangiing , defensivley responsible/offensively opportunistic type of play..They are likley a PO team but won't go far becasue of goaltending/D-men short comings but will be a tough game/series for anybody the entire year...

vcp1994 - They friggin' traded half their young players! The number of quality FAST NHLers they've moved and lost(remember they lost accused rapist Michael McLEOD) is rather staggering. SHARENGOVICH was a HUGE blow. But they also ditched ZETTERLUND, who is quick. Miles WOOD and Jesper BOQVIST left via free agency. They traded John MARINO for picks. Alexander HOLTZ for Welcome Back COTTER...They're not what I'd call a slow team by any stretch of the imagination...but I don't think they're even in the top 15 of teams in terms of speed. Lots of slow players on that squad.

Wildcard - re: JONES/D-zone starts, that's not really true, dude. Definitely not with SCHNEIDER. At 5-on-5, JONESIE is almost split down the middle on zone starts...47 percent in the Ozone, 53 percent in the Dzone. SCHNEIDER is heavily weighted toward Dzone starts: 38 percent and 62 percent respectively. Ordinarily, I'd say it's because of the PP...but that wasn't the case yesterday. And TBH, that pairing has been fantastic defensively. I don't know if I'd put them out there against McDAVID, but still. They deserve more minutes. There's really no arguing it, given both the eye test and the underlying stats. LAVIOLETTE's unwillingness to play them more...I don't know what's driving it, but I suspect RF4L isn't far off the mark.

vcp1994 - What speed? Outside of that HUGHES line, the Devils ain't that quick. HISCHIER and MERCER got wheels. I guess Timo MEIER too...but the rest? They have a lot of guys who can barely get up and down the ice. Their fourth line is about as slow as they come. On D, the only guys who can wheel are dumbass Luke HUGHES and maybe Dougie HAMILTON. The guys they brought in over the off season are a whose who of knuckle-dragging boobs. None of them quick. DILLON and PESCE are pretty slow. The latter is making the end of Danny GIRARDI'S career look graceful. Like I said...outside of their top five players, the Devils are characterize by being big, slow and stupid.

Wildcard - I ain't giving the Caps the cup quite yet, but I was impressed with their off-season moves and left pretty stunned by the type of game they brought against the Rangers. They really did look like they took notes from Florida...I, too, am less than impressed with a tandem of THOMPSON and LINDGREN...but that said? They are VERY strong up the middle and have just a stifling defense. Adding CHYCHRUN and ROY and with SANDIN coming into his own...and then getting DUBOIS...that's a tough, BIG team. And CARBURY has them playing well...Also Dylan STROME finally became the center he was drafted to be...Connor McMICHAEL looking like a top-six player...and the same with Aleksi PROTAS...I would not sleep on the Capitals at all. I would GLEEFULLY take the Devils and the Canes over them in a playoff match. Hopefully they draw one of those two teams in the first round.

Tdchi I don't see us matching the devils speed plus their top line is better than ours ? Also without rempe .

Zib had two tips last night within inches of the blue paint. That was the complaint early in the season, that he was not getting in the dirty areas, now he is there a lot, so the gripes have adjusted to fit that reality. The issue with Zib is he is the chosen forward for the season. Yes, he needs to produce more, but his game has turned 180 degrees since the start of this season, buit not one person here even notices.

TDCHI - While it is possible, not buying the injury thing on ZBAD...Something is definitely wrong but I'm thinking it's more mental (no confidence, no enjoyment, no energy, no physical involvement, the on "physical" thing I can buy is ZBAD fearing more concussions) )..Other then that, if it's physical, you give the guy a night off or two....As for ice time, ZBAD actually got more ES ice time last night than his average for the season...There was just none of his normal 3 minutes of PP time and 2 minutes of PK time (where he is at his best and still plays at a high level)...Laviolette obviously knows something is wrong with ZBAD be it physical or mental as evidence by the ice time the last 10 games, but he still trusts him on special teams and at the end of the game....--but it was interesting that last night Laffy-TRO-Pnarina deserving got most of the need of the game time..

rf4L: No, Its because Lav knows that starting Jones in set faceoffs in the D zone is a stupid idea. He isn't the best in that area and still has some flubs in his own zone off the puck. He has cleared things up incredibly fast this season. Even just looking at his games pre last set of scratches, he did things that were maddening, he was unaware it seemed, of where open players where and defended passing lanes to nowhere. Something clicked for him, it clicked as he got into the first game of this current stretch of games, and then you could even see it in that game as it clicked more, almost as if he was doing what the coaches had told him and it worked, and he was like "hey, that really did work well!" so he did it again. However, Jones is NOT a guy you toss out when you need a stop, and when the other team is pushing as hard as it can to get a goal. There are 5 other D better than Jones at that. Part of it is just experience, part of it is playing style. Jones is the normal offensive minded D, we get spoiled with Fox being so good at both ends, and I think it gets people to put unfair expectations on Jones to be able to do the same and then get upset with the coaches for not using him like Fox. Jones is an asset when deployed the right way, but leaning on him in obvious defensive situations is not it.

td: I fully and without any hesitation say the Caps will come back to earth later in the season. A TON of their offense is running through OV, and other guys are getting chances (and points) because every team is defending OV, he is going to slow down, when he does the team will because they are not good enough players with enough experience, to be "the guy" like OV is. I think they make the post season but get beaten in a first round. A couple of their top scorers have single digit playoff games experience, and that also includes their top statistical goalie right now in Thompson. It is likely they face a much more experienced team when they step on the ice for a playoff round. I mean, they stay in the top 3 of the Metro it will be Carolina, or the Rangers or Devils, if they fall to a WC spot it will be one of those 3 or FLA, Tampa or the Leafs most likely...none of those teams are "easy" wins and I don't know if the Caps have enough guys with enough experience in enough spots.

The Jones/Schneider pairing gets the icetime it does because Lardiolette is a veteran stroking coach.

And Edmonton? That team is a train wreck. Real stupid moves by ditching Ryan McLEOD and Dylan HOLLOWAY...and now that it looks like NURSE will be out for some time, the BROBERG offer sheet is really looking like a mess. They lost FOEGGLE and Zach HYMAN has come back to earth. It's going to take some otherworldly super-human performances from McDAVID just for that team to advance past the first or second round...the teams you need to watch are ones we've already seen: The Capitals, Panthers, and Jets. All three were losses. All three I see as teams that will go deep.

vcp1994 - Not sure what Devils team you're watching, but...they haven't been very good this season. They got a dominant top line, decent second line and then it's off the cliff. Defense is basically the same. Definitely a 'tougher' opponent, physically...but they're not all that good. I'd be a little surprised if they land in the top two in the Metro. The Canes are a bit of a different story. But I'd take the Rangers in a seven-game series against them. They are significantly weaker than they were last spring, no question about it. NECAS is playing out of this world...to think, there was a lot of rumors circulating that they were going to trade that dude.

Solid game. Kraken really aren't that good of a team, but it's good to see the team play better defense no matter who it's against. This goes to my point that I think the problems we're seeing are more structure than they are personnel...Can't believe there was an NHL game played with only ONE penalty called. That's pretty goddamn nuts, IMO, and just a pure indictment of the officials...That said, the lack of special teams really got LAVIOLETTE rolling his lines. Still wish fourth line got a bit more action...I'm now of the belief that there is something physically wrong with ZIBANEJAD and that he's been playing injured. I can't remember the last time he skated under 15 minutes, and I'm still thinking about that play a few games back where he left the ice after a seemingly innocuous play...Zac JONES. So glad to see this kid FINALLY getting a chance and taking it..still somewhat pissed that Erik GUSTAFSSON was used for a whole goddamn season...Speaking of which...Anyone see JONES' listing now? 5'11 and 190 pounds. Not sure what the dude is doing, but it's working. Definitely an asset to the team...In fact...and I don't mean piss on what was a pretty good coaching performance in terms of managing ice...I really don't understand why out third pairing gets as little ice as it does in a game like that. JONES-SCHNEIDER has actually been our most consistently good pairing. I'm not sure why they don't get more ice in a game where special teams were barely used...Same statement goes out to fourth line. I had my doubts on CARRICK, but he's been really solid as a fourth-line center with EDSTROM and now especially with VESEY. They got decent ice, but from what I can see, they're very consistently working in the offensive zone. They get pinned from time to time, but not nearly as bad as some recent iterations of the fourth line...in truth, their decidedly north-south simple game really seems to generate scoring chances and I kind of wonder whether them getting a bit more time might result in some more points. Anyway, good game. Not a very good team, but still a good result.

I would think the rangers already know what's up with chytil by now .Poor guy feel bad for him.

I think the devils, canes will pretty much crush us right now but it's regular season. We are going to have to take some of these games against crappy teams. Edmonton also I am guessing will run circles around us. First line is non existing .

Hospo: I live in Hamilton - Ticats are my team although I don't watch much anymore plus the Cats keep sucking!

SJW - They were, including here to fore physically inconsistent Youngsters like KAKKAO and LAFFY...and i thought Panrina was in the mix on everything...Unfortunately, there is one guy then never will........I used to watch the CFL as a kid..Go Hamilton Tiger Cats!.I remember watching Warren Moon before he came to the NFL

Sidetracked for the first 2 periods watching the Grey Cup .. Argos win( for any that know lol) ...flippin back and forth, caught the third.. what I noticed was far less "skate by's" on the forecheck.. Rangers on the body more .. same same fora couple of the usual suspects.. after checked the hits.. 41 .. i know NHL stats can be off sometimes.. but it sure looked more Rangers were engaged physically ...

Agreed the Z line was invisible. But a win is a win. Seattle sure is a boring team...

Always take the win!..Best things about the game was the mainly good defensive structure and coverage and the top line playing well and keeping possession for the first time in a long while....Oh and QUICKIE..The ZBAD line as bad as usual this season....Fourth line fine...The third line ,and that's all they will be without CHYTL, did get better as the game went along but i still have my doubts....but did see some good physical play by KAKKAO to go with that always provided by Cuylle.......All that saaid, good way to start a road trip

Good road win….Kracken had won four in a row at home so they are playing well…Rangers stayed patient and played a strong third period….Quick another strong game…JBRO filled in nicely..

Good win Lindgren still an adventure but Quick was outstanding. Refs swallowed their whistles

Nice, Sam!! "Great defensive game by the Rangers", while Rangers committed two terrible turnovers in a row.. Just can't make this shit up...

I’m stuck in SFO’s lounge waiting to get on my plane to Orange County. Completely missing out on this snooze fest am I?

Zac JONES has indeed played well and the decision to give him steady time and Mancini more seasoning in the AHL was a good call by Drury/Laviolette

Not sure how you give up that scoring chance at end of period….You have an offensive zone faceoff and win it…Panarin turns puck over and Kracken almost score…

It's amazing how the nauseating Rosen and Dickaletti .think the Rangers make "great" plays when they scramble to recover from bonehead mistakes

Trouba just throwing the puck anywhere to get it out turns into a couple of big scoring chances…You don’t flip the puck out to the opposition when your teammates are changing….An ok period…Need more offense…..

Kreids and ZBAAD have such magic on the PK..why is it impossible for them to make it a threesome with anybody?

EDSTROM needs to go to the net or keep the play in deep instead of doing that perimiter thing and losing the puck..

BRODZ does like to shoot! which can be good...but Cuylle/Kakkao also fed off CHTYL skating with the puck

Better start. Still sloppy defensively. Kraken have had easy entries into the zone.

Right call in my book..even if Reaves isn't really a dirty player at all..what he di to finish the check is the reason.....We have BRODZ to do that stuff now!

SJW need to have a modified cap . Drafted players count towards half the cap. Hopefully this new dope who knows the bruins owner isn't on the take and doesn't screw NLpA like fehr did. Stay out as lot as needed screw bettman

Elliotte Friedman reporting on HNIC last night the possibility of higher then expected cap for next year .. given the NHL has exceeded the guidelines for a post pandemic recovery.. says one option is the cap to be in the 95-97 range instead of 92.5 .. with a new CBA negotiation comin players could have some leverage on this issue .. win win for players owners and fans IMO

Coloradomark..I said that first lololol no cups won on November..a lot can happen but unfortunately I don't trust Drury. He seems predictable not shrewd.

CM - Agree with most of that nd, BTW, been syaing dealing MILLER would.will be a mistake just like dealing KAKKA in the past off-season..unless the return is hugge and just as young...I don't see it...But for you, maybe we can do MILLER for punk boy ZEGRAS? :)

I dunno. How many cup winners could be predicted in November? But predicting the Rangers won’t win a cup? Probably not as crazy a statement. But a lot can happen between now and the playoffs. But the x-factor for the Rangers is Shesterkin. I’m not counting them out until the fat lady sings. I don’t think Drury will hesitate to put Chytil on IR if it’s concussion related as expected. I don’t think Miller gets traded. I know Andrei and I disagree on a lot but I think he is dead on: teams don’t trade a guy like Miller and they shouldn’t. Yeah, he makes stupid decisions but he is pretty much a prototypical modern top 4 d-man: big, fast, offense and defense, can only get better. Only possible trade during the season is Lindgren, and I don’t see that happening this year. I see prospects for a Chytil replacement if he goes on LTIR for the season.

TD: That's fine. I cannot help it if I can see the forest despite the trees. Unless something drastic changes I'm standing by my conviction: Another spring with no cup.

RF4L - Well that's the thing: I'll bitch about bad coaching when I see it. But I'm not going to look at a team that was two wins away from eliminating the Cup champs last June and say that they're cooked in November. It's fucking silliness at its silliest. I've said this before: I would much rather see these bumps in the road now than have the team go 15-1 and then limp into the playoffs on a losing streak...One thing I will say is that LAVIOLETTE has changed things up with his system. It's part of the reason I suspect the team that was pretty goddamn strong defensively is giving up so many high-level chances. He's trying to get them to be a stronger team offensively at 5-on-5, so they aren't so dependent on special teams. Problem there, as you can see, is that they're playing a lot looser in their zone. And if they come out flat as they often do, they give up prime scoring chances...but again...My concern level right now is just a bit over zero...and the only reason it's NOT at zero is the CHYTIL debacle...We get to February and the team is still coming out like they are now? That's when I'll change my tune. Giving up in November is just stupid. Might as well not even watch the season.

Utah ain't trading McBAIN and CROUSE. Not happening. That would be a bit like saying the Rangers will be up for trading CUYLLE and KAKKO. Maybe if the deal was too good to be true...but even then, I doubt they'd have much interest in MILLER. They landed SERGECHEV over the summer, and have a number of young defensive prospect that aren't far off...KERFOOT and BJUGSTAD are the two on that team you could probably shake free. The latter would be a great replacement for CHYTIL. Probably looking at a second rounder/prospect like BERARD to rent his ass though.

Said it earlier: I will be somewhat...maybe even VERY surprised if Yanni GOURDE isn't a Ranger by April. Question is what they'll give for him and whether they'll need to clear cap or get them to retain salary. If CHYTIL's injury has no clear return date, I could see them trading for him earlier...but that said, the Kraken's fourth line has been its most effective. Not sure they'll be too into trading him while they still have a chance at the playoffs.

vcp1994 - re: LESCHYSHYN. Why? Do you need to be a fantastic hockey player to put on a suit and sit in the stands? He's the guy they can pull out of the Pack lineup who won't make a huge difference...though they will miss him to a degree...and who ain't exactly developing...it's a nice little plus for him because he's getting essentially a paid west coast vacation...and in a pinch, he can suit up...but this is a zero-impact move. Can complain about BRODZ being in the lineup instead of XYZ player, but even there...The only roster move that would make a bit more sense would be to promote GROULX. He's a bit more physical. That's about it.

In your opinion it is. Just remember what I said when you're bitching away in here about Lardiolette's roster management tomorrow/next week/next month/the new year/PO time.

Gourde will be 33 next month and is a pending UFA. He sounds like an asset Drury would chase at the deadline. That said he'd be a decent addition.

RF4L - Were ifs and buts candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry fucking Christmas. You're gonna call it in November? Silliness. Pure silliness.

Hospo. Sounds like a change of scenery is in order. Plus it arguably reduces his trade value. My only issue is that he's a LW but if Laf can switch so can he or Cuylle or Kreider. Put him on the wing with the Brobros.

BTW, CROUSE, who was names an assistant Captain, is pulling a ZBAD this year..In his last 15 Games, 1 G, Zero assist, -4, and his hitting is way down

RF4L - Takes two to tango...no panic deal yet..and i I don't think most teams are ready to make deals yet....but Drury should have been keeping tabs on possibilities from Day 1... Anyways, trades like this are your and MF's territory!!!! That said, i don't mind the guys you mention..Let's also keep an eye on YANNI GOURDE tonight..

He's a big bodied forward who goes to the net and works the corners. McBain is an aggressive 2 way centre. Utah has 2 top 4 dmen out for 3 to 4 months - they must be looking for a dman. Do something now Drury vs waiting to overpay at the deadline

CROUSE is a stiff! OK, maybe not but he's shitting the bed for my RFC Fantasy Hockey team

Wake up Rangers or you'll be stumbling home like a beaten dog after this road trip. I say this because the Jets easily beat the sloppy disinterested Rangers the other day then proceeded to lose their next 2 against the Fla teams including a beat down at the hands of the Panthers.

And looking at the games last night (especially the Panthers) and the past week, you don't win in the NHL anymore with skill....you need physicality to go along with it..you need to go to the net with intent..With CHYTL, the Rangers had neither in the top 9..and vets that seem incapable of it...even worse now if CHYTL is gone..So, if they get a center or when they get a forward, it can't be a ballerina

Quite the fight betweem XERBAJI (or whatever) and the CBJ guy that shellacked Remps last year..Damn, Olivier throws them

RF4l - Respectfully disagree..No problem with Reaves going for the hit.but Nurse's head was not low at all..and Reaves exploded upwrds to make the chin/head the first contact..Just my take on it

Hospo. No. And in RR's defense he had a nurse lined up clean (no charging and no elbiw) and Nurse started to stretch out lowering his head. We've seen Trouba lay out hits not too different.

Good for REMPS after a rough start..Been a mixed up year for him...Hope we see him back in in NY when real hockey starts in 2025..

Pack win 4 2. Rempe 1st star with a goal and 2 points and 6 shots. Apparently Garand despite not getting one of the 3 stars played very well.

Feel so bad for chytil , he worked so hard , just doesn't have the body for NHL from a DNA thing..I know he is 6'2 205 ish but sometimes these guys just can't take the physical contact..Such a shame such a talent.Unleas he is crazy he can't be cleared again unless our medical staff is a dumb as .........anyone. Can finish. Crosby was able to do it..it's just something in his body that can't be changed..

Sorry folks it's November..as constructed remember regular season hockey means nada inn post season..yes you have to get to the dance . ZBAD , panarin, kreider, Jones aren't the answers. But we already knew that..

And I'm not calling the cup final other than to say I highly doubt the Rangers will be representing the east.

TD. I don't care that it's only November. I see no reason to expect more out of this vs what they accomplished last spring. And that's best case scenario. If Z's problems persist they're a lesser team now, not to mention Lardiolette seems unwilling to move off his roster management model. I sure hope I'm proven wrong of course but remain very skeptical.

RF4L - It's Nov. 16. We haven't even reached Thanksgiving. Quite frankly, if anyone thinks they can call the Cup final at this point in the season? I'll say it's time for an enema because they're full of shit. That said? I think the Rangers have the pieces they need to get to the finish line. Across it might be a different story, but this is a team no less talented than the one that was two wins away from eliminating the Cup champs.

Actually...that Matt DUCHENE deal is looking pretty fucking awesome. But I don't think he wants/wanted to leave Dallas...pretty sure he gave them a hometown discount.

Brodz and leuchusin are pretty bad let's be honest. This season even with a healthy chytil was playoffs yesterday no cup as constructed..now playoffs is a maybe which doesn't matter because cup ait runneth over anyway. The good news is it's early in the the season can Drury become a GM anytime soon ????

We knew last season that we needed a RW, LHSD, and a Center, but that Chytil was going to be an opportunity to reclaim his position with a year of rest since the last head injury. I don't fault Drury for not pursuing a center, I am bummed that we haven't drafted for position of need over BPA, but it is what it is. Time to birddog for a Center & LHSD. Happy hunting :->)

RF4L - I'll answer that! even with CHYTL..no...a PO team? yes but they would still need physical fortifications for the PO run...without CHYTL, still a PO team, but nowhere near a Cup contender...And this is all before thinking about the state of ZBAD.....And As Laviolette and the team have been kinda unprepared mentally for many games..DRURY was unprepared with his roster for this season..Then again, it all starteed with his TROUBA aand GOODROW clusterfucks....Hmmm..maybe that has had a slight impact also..

TDCHI - EVERYBODY expected BRODZ to slide in between Cuylle and KK..It was the only option since July....The only question is what pies of AHL garbage that will never be NHL centers was called up...Lesychysn or Groulx...Both suck as NHlers..And it's a travesty at how poorly Drury and the Rangers were perpared for this whne there was just about a 100% chance it was going to happen....They have 1 or 2 D that can play 3rd pair..maybe 1-3 wings when OTH gets back..But zip, zilch, zero, nada at center after BRODZ who is more a temporary/stop gap player...But here's hoping he gets on a hot streak with guys he has played with before and gives DRURY some time to work out a trade which will be easier if CHYTL goes on LTIR

I'll say this too: I get and ALMOST agree with this notion that DRURY should've prepared for this...but in essence? He has. Or at least the best he can. The Rangers actually are in a pretty decent spot with centers this season. BRODZINSKI and LESCHYSHYN aren't bad players at all...sort of fourth line grinders, but valuable guys to have in emergencies...GROULX was a really good signing. This is a guy who has the size, strength and skill that he could still end up becoming a genuine top-9 player, albeit a somewhat unlikely forecast, but still...one that's well within the realm of possibility...I don't think ROOBROECK or McCONNELL-BARKER are knocking on the door quite yet, but all three are, again, genuine NHL prospects. And the other thing to take into consideration is the chance Noah LABA signs...His season got a bit derailed by injury thus far, but he's back and this is a guy who, depending on how the rest of the year goes, MIGHT be primed to jump into the NHL as a center...also, the guy was between a rock and a hard place with CHYTIL. Like, what were his options? Trade the guy? For what? He might have gotten a third or fourth rounder for him, but that's about it. Then that leaves you $4.5 million to find a center to fill that spot. Here are your options from the 2024 pool: Michael AMADIO($2.6 million x 3)...Adam HENRIQUE($3 million x 2)...Matt DUCHENE($3 million), Yakov TRENIN($3.5 million x4)...ROSLOVIC...well, I won't even go there with this group...then there's the bargain bin, with Tyler JOHNSON, Tyson JOST...I had mentioned Jesper BOQVIST being a good option in this pile, and the Panthers apparently agreed, but he's a major step down from CHYTIL...all of these guys are...So then the option is to move cap and resign WENNBERG($5 million x2) or MONAHAN($5.5 million x 5)...this latter one doesn't work well either, considering his age, but that would've been about as good as it got...TERAVAINEN($5.4 million x 3) is a little better option, but he's also not really a center any more. So yeah. Going the route of moving CHYTIL and going a different direction wasn't really one that would give any GM a sense of optimism...and that's before factoring in the PR shitstorm he'd get for essentially kicking a real soldier and very well-liked player to the curb at a point when he's most vulnerable.

NYStranger et all: !00% agree. Unfortunately, a concussed Chytil was almost a given which is quite upsetting in 2 ways: First, most importantly, this is a kid's life we're talking about - it's seriously time for him to consider retirement as depressing as that must be for him. Second, yes there was a chance Chytil would stay healthy all season but AFAIC that was a slim chance - even before the concussion issues arose, he was often on the IR for long stretches. In his entire career he's only had 2 seasons over 70 games. That Drury did nothing to attempt to account for this is for me a significant failing on his part although I'm not at all surprised - making a hockey trade is difficult for the most seasoned GMs, let alone an amateur like Drury. But they can be done and in this case most assuredly should have been. Drury has put his team in a precarious position due to his inferior capabilities. JBrod is a nice player - tries hard, nice story and all that but he is not a 3rd line centre for a team with legitimate Stanley Cup aspirations even if Zbad was on top of his game. So it's got on the horn now when it's far more difficult to make a trade of significance vs the off-season or do nothing other than tinker at the deadline again which will likely end in a PO ouster sometime next spring. Being a Ranger fan is wonderful!

The Chytl situation should have been dealt with before last season started but Drury sat on his hands as usual. So another crisis, self made, by the Vested One. Don’t worry fans. Drury won’t let it ruin his Christmas!

Punchrolph. Agree that Buttman is a creature of the owners. This quasi-ponsi scheme of quick money upfront from expansion will eventually backfire and come apart. What will this look like when there are 35 to 40 teams? Not a major league sport any longer that is for sure. The NHLPA is the weakest union in sports it seems. How ownership convinced these idiots to be happy with the salaries they are getting when the other 3 top sports leagues pay individual players more than an entire NHL team gets per year really is amazing. And I didn’t notice any price breaks to us lowly fans, did you? LOL

Rangers, BTW, did EXACTLY what I expected they would. LESCHYSHYN up, BRODZINSKI between KAKKO and CUYLLE. Not really a surprise. Doesn't take Kreskin to forecast that sort of thing.

mf: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/latest-news/filip-chytil-wont-travel-with-rangers-as-he-continues-to-get-evaluated-for-injury

I'm not the biggest BRODZINSKI fan in the world, nor do am I a big advocate of him being in the top nine...but he's not nearly as terrible as some of you are making him out to be. The guy is actually a really decent bottom six forward. He's very quick, he plays good defensively, is basically 50-50 on draws and has at bare minimum, an above-average shot. If he gets the puck cleanly at the top of the circle, he can beat a lot of tenders...I fully believe if the Rangers put BRODZ on waivers tomorrow, at least one team would put in a claim. His versatility is his biggest strength, because he CAN slot in next to more talented guys and they won't skip a beat...how do I know this? They did just that last season. The Rangers spent basically 50-plus games with BRODZ in the lineup, and a lot of that was as their third line center. Wasn't until WENNBERG joined the team at the deadline that he ended up out of that third-line center spot. The dude put of decent numbers too, for a guy who was essentially an AHL lifer. Now I'm not saying the cup is ours with him as our third line center...not by a long stretch. But regardless of what happens with CHYTIL, he's fine to fill in at least until a Plan B can be formulated...Let's also level set here: Anyone thinking the Rangers' braintrust would willingly walk into the playoffs with him as their third line center...well, ya' need to get your head examined. He's a stopgap. That's all. No more, no less.

I'll revisit one of my previous posts... I like Miller, but my guess is he has high value around the league for his physical attributes and potential. Miller to Tampa for McDonagh at 50% retained and Connor Geekie.

No chytil at practice, not traveling.. sounds like it's over . Mayy a neck sprain but you can travel with that ..so he is concussed. Game over poor kid nice job miller at least you hit someone.

Anyone have video on the Miller-Chytil collision? Please post it, I could not locate one..... As an internet GM, I'm not about to write off the season, yeah tougher choices/decisions ahead, and they will affect the team moving forward. We need a Center and a LHSD. For anyone currently thinking or who may have thought (me included) that we need to hang on to JONES as an insurance policy for FOX, well, perhaps MILLER can serve as the insurance in case FOX gets hurt. I would not trade Miller, & never was on the trade Miller bus.. JONES seems to be a one of our top trade pieces, along with a young forward prospect. (I don't want to trade draft picks. Next, We need a Center, preferably a RHS but beggars can't be choosers. SJS Goodrow? That ship has sailed & I'm not sure we can trade for him, I'd yield to 'Rhet' on that. Back to LHSD, we could use a MIKKOLA 2.0 or a previous Top 4 D who is aging but has something left in the Tank for 1 or 2 seasons to pair with TROUBA and who can slide up in case Lindgren or Miller goes down. Next, the rest of this roster needs to pull the laces tight and play like a cohesive team or we're not going deep, but again, as an internet GM, I'm not writing off this season, it's akin to sending out another letter that we're changing the drapes & wallpaper. Too soon for that.. jmns-opinions folks. :->)

Face facts. A hard cap league is one in which luck is purposely elevated to a level far above almost every other factor. It is designed to ensure that even the strictest diligence in roster construction cannot yield long-term success simply as a matter of payroll mathematics. Maximizing luck includes building in player durability across an entire roster, something that Drury either cannot master or is simply beyond his control. Either way, until these idiot players strike for two seasons and get rid of this abhorrent system that rests on anti-capitalism, excellence is unsustainable by design. Your window opens and closes over a very short period (especially when excellent draft choices like Chytil don't pan out for health reasons), and the process starts all over again. Very hard to watch. Buttman, soul-less creature of the night he is, simply carries in the groceries for his bosses year after year. After all this time, the fault lies with the gutless players, as big market, storied franchises and their fan bases suffer to the benefit of hockey hotbeds in the sunbelt. And so it goes.

Jbrod going from the pressbox to 3rd line centre. Cup contender? Don't think so...

Strikes me that this year's team lacks the "identity" it had last year (or perhaps is not playing up to last year's identity).

evets1980: just piggybacking off your post about Bro coming in is all obviously you said nothing that made me rant . I simply cannot believe Drury went into the season like this with a final 4 team .

evets1980: If long term Chytil is replaced by Bro the team is done . The fact Drury walked into the season with him as the best center when you have to get through Florida is a disgrace . Now he is going to repeat the disgrace and let the league watch Miller deteriorate and not trade him to replace Chytil with a young center . Only fixable way this will happen.

If Chytil can't go and Brodzinski is coming into the lineup, I wonder if they would be better served putting Zibanejad between Cuylle and Kakko and Brodzinski between Kreider and Smith.

So much for nostalgia for us 50 somethings . Non hockey related . Tyson last night looked like he took heavy medication to get over the fact he accepted rules to not throw a punch . A top 5 all time QB at 58 from the 90’s with months of training could walk on a field and play a pre season game next year with some special rules and throw a couple touchdown passes . Tyson got paid to not punch simple as that and looked very depressed about it .Or he recognized very early he did not feel well . He looked very weird walking out to the ring .

RF4L - Fact is, BRODZINSKI is both a center and the next in line for a roster spot, so whoever they call up is simply a precaution for when they head out west, unless there's someone in specific they want to get a closer eye on. That's why it'll probably be LESCHYSHYN, if anyone. No sense in taking someone away from the Pack who is playing an important role for them just to sit on the bench with the Rangers.

Hospo. Erne on the IR. It's gonna be that L kid is my guess. I think it should be Groulz. More complete Gane.

and all the usuals played for Hartford and not on the way to New York for the flight out tomorrow...Maybe a good sign for CHYTL...Well, unless Adam ERNE is on his way to NY instead of being a heaalthy scratch!!

Off-day musings. Put Samuel L. Jackson behind the bench. Bring Chelios out of retirement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGYWJVZyVqg

I wonder if the send rempe down to echl if he doesn't start to show something.inhave no idea I don't watch AHL anymore the feed is awful.

New York rangers insider has to be amongst the most unreliable sites I have ever seen.although the polling seems like fun their news updates are completely sensationalism and repetitiveness.

Whoa. Let's not hold up the Oilers and the Leafs as the gold standard for getting or trading D. The fuckhole Oilers let BROBERG languish in the minors for years to skate hacks like Cody CECI...Oh and lookie here...the Leafs did the same EXACT thing to play that turnstile at the detriment of Rasmus SANDIN and Tim LILJEGREN...they traded SANDIN for fucking Erik GUSTAFSSON of all people...Oh and the Leafs? They also gave away Sean DURZI to get the great Jake MUZZIN...but...what's that Oilers?! Hold your beer you say?! The Oilers didn't sign said GUSTAFSSON to a contract after drafting him...Add John MARINO to that list too...Gave away Ethan BEAR too...So yeah...if we're talking about teams that know how to build defense...these are NOT the ones to highlight. Neither one of them could build a defense if their franchise depended on it. Throwback organizations that look at size and how hard they hit and nothing else.

Andrei. U need to read my posts more clearly. Never did I propose a Miller for Drais deal. Or another big name like that.

PJ - Agree, in the long run (I mean this season)..It's why many of us bemoaned the Ranger's and Drury's lack of center depth given CHYTL's history and knowing BRODZ was the only replacement we had....But, this trade may have to be something that is worked on not something that is done lickety split....in the interim, the coach has to get the players he has playing MUCH BETTER and he hasn't come close to doing that.....Just speaking for myself, I am watching the same MILLER you are, but also remembering the MILLE I saw late last year..Again, guls like Big COuntry and housley need to get MILLER playing his best (SCHNEIDER!!!)..

rf4l, you are the driver of the Miller trade bus, and it is all good. But there is a reality vs fantasy hockey. You should really listen to SiriusXMNHL Radio Shane Malloy. It will open your eyes in term of picks, drafting, value of the picks, value of the lower end draft picks, deadline trades, value of the top 4 d-man, etc. We can talk about fantasy hockey all day long, potential trades, who will be traded, etc. But that's all it is, a fantasy talks. In reality, in NHL, there are two type of players that have the highest value above all. Young top 4 d-man and young top line centers. We are talking about prime 24-26 years old. Unless there is a some sort of baggage, injury concerns (back to some sort of baggage), or contract issues, these player never hit trade market and probably every team in NHL is looking for one. Last top 4 d-man trade was Chychrun. Injury prone Chychrun, who had also contract concerns. Possibly every contender is looking to for a top 4 d-man. Heck, even Jets are probably will be looking for defense at the deadline. Teams like Edmonton, Toronto have looked for YEARS and still have not found one. But somehow Rangers will contemplate trading Miller when they have none in the organization ready to step in? Show me the contending team who is/was willing to fulfill a need by opening another giant hole? Common. Let's be reasonable here. I wish we can trade for Draisaitl. I want Rangers to go get Draisaitl. Heck, Rangers need to trade for Draisaitl. It will solve any need for the center for the next decade. Drury sucks because he is sleeping at the wheel instead of trading for Draisaitl. We can go on about who Rangers should be trading for Draisaitl. Really of Rangers getting Draisaitl during 2024-2025 season? Zero. Well, less then zero..

Without a move made such as a trade, the Rangers aren’t going to replace Chytil…Getting worse than we are now at the center position will remove us as a contender..Also, I am watching a different Miller than many of you here…..

Tdchi you Make sense thanks for being tdchi.Maybe I can shelve the drugs for another time lolololol.

Center in Juniors is a far way away from a center in the NHL..I just don't think Remps has the body or toolset for NHL center...Just keep him as a 4th line , skatingm banging,forechecking wing...KISS..he can play either with the Rangers ( i think he is more than ready for that) or the Pack..I think reaching higher with him is a mistake..

re: REMPE, he actually was a center in junior, if I recall. But that said? He hasn't really played that well since joining Hartford. He is where he belongs right now, regardless of what position they're playing him.

RF4L - Totally disagree on GROULX. He's better than both BRODZ and CARRICK. Different player. Bigger, more physical and more skilled than both. He played better than both, IMO, in camp, and he's played real well so far in Hartford. I don't know if I'd go for him as a long-term option...but if we're looking to put the best, most capable center the team has in that spot? He's it. But...that said, it ain't gonna happen. We watched this story play out last season and I have no reason to believe this one will be any different.

And yes, giving an injury, the first move should be giving BRODZ a chance and see if he can run with it...He did play some good games with KK and cuylle last year..COuldn't care less if it's Groulx or the insignificant Lesychsyn that rides pine..Then there REMPE who the Rangers asr stupidly trying to turn into a center and something more than a 4th liner..OK, I'm being a dick with the REMPS stuff..

TDCHI - My take, in a meaningless game agasint the Sharks and with a player with history, you err on the side of caution...That siad, the Rangers sending him back out did not worsen the situation..i'm fine...Fell real bad for the kid though, he was showing some magic out there this year..Let's hope it's short term.........Cross country flights are also not a good thing for a player with concussion issues so we'll see if he makes the flight out tomorrow

re: moves, my guess is that BRODZINSKI will be the center in Sunday's game. If they call someone up, it'll be because CHYTIL is shelved for longer than a game or two...i.e. a bad sign...I think LESCHYSHYN is the guy they bring up. Him being gone won't disrupt the Pack that much, and he can slide in anywhere in the bottom six in the event of another injury...I think no matter what the prognosis is, they'll bank on BRODZ to fill in. If he falters and the Rangers start to sink, I think they move to BO GROULX. TBH, he's the guy I'd go for...but alas, there's a pecking order and BRODZ is first.

Hospo - Just scanning through, I saw the obligatory 'the Rangers should be...something something...if they were stupid enough to send him out...' That's just not using logic to think that way. Yeah, I agree, gotta look on the dark side here, especially with this history. But let's level-set. The Rangers didn't send him out in the second thinking he was anything short of fine. Whatever happened afterward is what did it...I do seem to recall exertion is one of those things that can exacerbate a concussion and its symptoms. Anywho, we'll find out soon enough...

re: Trading MILLER. Let's logic this out for a sec. Here's your options on the left side organizationally: NHL-level/ready - LINDGREN, JONES, MACKEY, SCANLIN. ROBERTSON. Full stop. Two seasons away: FORTESCUE, Rasmus LARSSON. Full stop. And that's it. Nothing else, folks. Zippo. No money to get someone, no real picks to draft someone that'll be ready by next season. So look at that mix of players and tell me who exactly is going to be our left side going into the playoffs, and better yet, next season. Don't tell me MANCINI or EMERY...don't even bring up HARPUR. And really, unless you want to sound like a boob, don't throw Hanging Chad's name out there...so yeah. Think about it. Oh did I mention LINDGREN's contract is coming up? Or that he's a walking timebomb of an career shortened by injury? MILLER has his warts, for sure. But this stupid insistence that he's a gentle giant and can't play D is more fan hyperbole. He has his brain farts, for sure. Always has, always will. But the guy utterly FLIES out there. And a beg the pardon of the folks knocking his aggressiveness...the dude fucking kills people. Not like TROUBA with big hits, but man, get near the cage and he's on you. Bad. He may use the stickwork in the corners and along the boards, but that's because he's got a FAR better chance of coming away with the puck and getting/starting a scoring chance that way...He's off-synch right now for sure. But so is the whole team. Trading MILLER would be a very lateral move unless the Rangers could some how snag a player that is languishing in a very deep system from a team that doesn't have the patience to wait. I guess it's possible...the Blues did that with BROBERG and before his injury, it was working out quite nicely for them...but those deals don't happen too often. Takes a lot of stupidity for them to manifest. And it also takes a MASSIVE leap of faith on the Rangers' part to take someone who ISN'T a top pairing defender and then essentially thrust him into that role...I could throw a few names out, but it's basically pointless, because there's no way the organization does that. Zero. Not unless the wheels really fall off and they need to retool.

TDCHI - It's better than talking about the merits or demerits of ZFLOAT, no? Don't see the WALL cracking at all..just talking about something that could be happening......It wasn't a brutal hit but it was in a bad location for a guy with the history of concussions...just as likely that it is bad as it isn't..Hope for the best but be prepared (well, not that what any of us say means anything!!)

Ha. Knew the wall would be cracking at the seams, and y'all don't disappoint! Pump the brakes on CHYTIL. I know I said this...and was wrong...last season...but keep a couple things in mind: He was flagged by a concussion spotter. Plain and simple. The second after it happened, the officials directed him off the ice. That's not from the Rangers. That's from the NHL. So whoever took him in thought he was OK enough to get back out there. And CHYTIL himself thought he was OK to play...the days of teams telling guys they need to get back out there with bad injuries are long over, folks...So before we go ripping the Rangers a new shit chute for sending him out...take some of these thoughts into consideration...MY GUESS...one of two things...the first is that he felt fine and was well enough to pass the concussion protocol, but as soon as his heart rate returned to normal, he started feeling something not right or possibly even symptoms...that's the worse case scenario, because a mild concussion might not immediately manifest in a way someone would diagnose it on the spot...MY GUESS is the Rangers said it's November, we're playing the Sharks and this game is utterly fucking meaningless, but this kid is a valuable part of our team so let's be safe about this and let's sit him down for the night and maybe a game or three so that if there IS anything wrong, we don't make it worse...just a hunch. But one based solidly on how everything transpired. The NHL is too close to a class-action lawsuit to let guys skate around after showing signs of a concussion...and quite frankly, there's no one stupid enough in the Ranger organization to risk losing a guy permanently to win a meaningless game they were probably going to win anyway.

I honestly think dealing MILLER, despite his recent issues, would be a huge mistake in the long run..JMWO

Rangers gotta be calling (or have called) up somebody before the flight out to Seatlle for the 4 game western trip....Dave Groulx or Curtis Lesychysn???....I guess there's also a possibility of EDSTROM at C but Drury/Laviolette seem resistent (which is fine) to that and the 4th line is going well..

We have a huge problem at center but to get a good one we have to be willing to give…Miller doesn’t deserve the minutes he is getting…He has been flat out awful…Yes he is skilled and hopefully he would ring back a good return…

Andrei. Gimme a break. You're constantly soouting definitive declarations and you're telling us to stop discussing the possibilities of trading Miller? Don't be so oxymoronic!

Andrei - enough with the absolutes, yours are often wrong! That said, I am with you on MILLER...He shouldn't be and likely won't be traded...but stranger things have happened...For me, It's simple for the D. SCHNEIDRR-MILLER; Lindgren FOX, Troubs-Youngstger (and Troubs the PK beast)

let me correct myself. Trades like that happens maybe, once every 10 years or so. Last one, Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. 2013.

Guys, stop. Rangers are NOT trading Miller, so no, Miller is not the obvious choice to be traded. If anything, Rangers are looking for Miller to assume the 1st line role next season. There are two sides to the reality. There is a fan side, who view Miller as the worst d-man since Redden, and there is the hockey community, including Rangers whom view Miller is a priced top 4 dman in NHL. Like this is a reality in NHL to trade a young top 4 d-man for a center? Never happens. Only way to get a d-man like that is via draft and it takes 3-5, and often 7 years for the drafted kid to take on a top 4 role. Who is replacing Miller? So that's that. Rangers are going to be without Lindgren and Trouba next season. Who is playing d??? On any other team that plays a good defensive system, Miller would be a star. Just like Miller and Fox are a very effective pair together, maybe one of the best in NHL. Problem is that Fox is also have not looked all that great, himself. Trouba is not a good partner for Miller and that is clear.. Personally, I have being clamoring for ZShit to play with the Kappo and Cuylli and Rangers to look for a real 3rd line center with size and a very mean streak to built a good checking line. But that's me. Lavi, obviously knows best. He does need our suggestions..

The silence is deafening about chytil. They should know by now. My guess is Drury is dreading the announcement.since Drury is dreadful anyway. Is Drury fired yet?

KIS - I have often questioned his mental game also..but his mental mistakes went away late last year playing with SCHNEIDER..JMWO... PJ - I hear ya about the not being all in stuff but hard to make a good deal if you are seen as desperate...DRURY indeed should be lookibng for that deal but you don't want to be fleeced unless you really have to....More players might come available later in the season....All that said, I hope this Ranget team bonds on the 4 game road trip like last year....KInda tkaing a break today from ZBAD!

I rather have trump make the trade sorry could not help myself. Drury can't trade worth a dam. Might as well bring back sather or espo

Can Drury make a hockey trade??? Haven’t really seen it yet, unless you count Nils Lundkvuist, which flittered away that 1 in yet another failed deadline deal. He’s a deadline dealer and hasn’t really showed any choos when it comes to trading. I think Bourque and S. Wright make the most sense, with Miller the obvious center piece. I’m not as big on Miller as others are here, He has incredible traits, size, and skill but above the neck they’re not much there. In the right scenario, he could still turn out to be a stud, but we desperately need a young top 6 C with no concussion history. Buffalo has some attractive top 6 C’s but they’re in the same conference so prob a deal breaker. Whatcha got Drury? I’m pretty sure I know the answer but hoping to be proven wrong

If the Rangers don’t go outside to replace Chytil they no longer are all in for this season….Feel horrible for Chytil and he has been our best center this year…Make a deal Drury…

Well the "trade-winds" can shift rather quickly. On Mon Nov 11 2024 10:42 am EST - (I wrote) Seems to me we're not in a "trading phase" at this point in the season. - I hope CHTIL is OK and this benching is just precautionary. -

RF4L - I have zero problem saying goodbye to almost any Ranger prospect 9including Jones) for the right return..but i thibnk any deal will be a short term hlep-now one..not picking up a kid with many years of control..Much to your chagrin!

Hospo. You gotta give to truly get. For either Flyer say bye bye to Jones and BO. Laughton is 30 so another 30 and over forward (although I do like the player). How about Shane Wright or Marvik Bourque?

Hospo. I think most if not all Rangers fans are bummed. To me a year off won't help. He'll he hardly played last year and concussed again this early? If so not good. As tough a decision as it is he needs to seriously consider retiring. Maybe the Rangers can find him a job within the organization. And Drury needs to FINALLY actually address the centre position hole and that's not via Wennberg II. Make a hockey trade for crying out loud and that means parting with assets you'd prefer to.hold on to like Miller or even Schneider.

KIS - can't rush into it..has to be a two way street....especially when other teams are still assessing their roster, needs and direction.....I mentioned Scott Laughton and Morgan Frost of th FLyers yesterday (two different type of players)...........I am also a little concerned about giving up on MILLER...I don't think Lavioletter is pairing him right and still think he can be a stud....

Rangers need to trade for a center now. Dont wait until deadline. Wven if cheetos comes back its only a matter of time. They have miller that they could move for a very quality center. Make the move drury. People any thiughts on centers rangers should go after?

This CHYTL is bumming me out big time..First and foremost, I really feel for the kid..so talented..works his ass off..but that can't trump concussions...I too agree that if it is indeed another one, he should call it quits or at least take a year off...From a hockey stand point, it's not just the loss of CHYTL, but both CUYLLE and KAKKAO had raised their games to high levels when together..I worry about that continuing, especially for KAKKAO..and worry about Laviolette minmizing them.....IFFFF CHYTL first give them a real shot with BRODZ while also looking externally (using the money from CHYTL's LTIR)

jerry: The usual suspects were out there with the goalie pulled (Z, K and P). Lardiolette for whatever reason refuses to reward the likes of KK, Cuylle, Laf and Chytil (before he left the game) with such opportunities. He clearly is a vet loving coach and it'll be his downfall in New York as it has been in almost every other city he's coached in. GG was the same way. Drury adores his veteran coaches - I guess that's because he got so burned with the DQ hiring.

Z get late penalty they score, Z rewarded by being on the use to end the game. BTW Z was not star of the game. Nobody was.

And all that aside, except for a half a period the Rangers did their usual against the Sharks. Given how they keep playing and how the coach insists on managing his bench I honestly see zero reason to anticipate a cup next spring. I think the POs are a given but for me it's not if, but when they'll get bounced. So maddening.

Vcp. Sorry. Mu opinion. I said last year when he went out after that mild bump from what's his face. Of course certain folks tried to rip me a néw one but obviously I was correct even if the stupid Rangers refuse to divulge anything.

Call me delusional but if Chytil is concussed he needs to hang it up. I would call up LA and look to pry away one of their young centers or a promising young center from another team and I would offer up Miller in a heart beat. Manciney could fill that vacated role. Better now. Better in the future.

Shonuff: Too soon to write off the season, "Cup or Bust?" Could be Wartime.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PUPNxsRQ0

Chytil injury we all wondered how and when it would happen and I am sure friendly fire was thought about as well as he is done . Lindros was done before we even got him but he did have a good stretch of a season then played in San Jose and if I remember correctly was skating backwards and bumped into a teammate and dropped like he was shot and done . I need to refresh my memory on that one . They don’t have it this season anyway and we all see it . Now Laff taking games off , Kakko doesn’t shoot , Miller only hits his own teammates , Lav bizarre coaching , Z no pulse, Igor contract year . Cowboy fan in NJ they suck and Eagles and Devils good . Devils beating Florida back to back . Teams after 30 years still can’t gear up to play them because nobody cares . Sickening . Rangers all these final 4 appearances up in all series . How many chances do you get . Oh well . They will have a decent regular season and get bounced .

Glad they won, but I feel terrible for Chytil. If that little bump gave him a concussion again he needs to retire. I really feel sorry for the guy and it really hurts the Rangers cause he was their best center. He was playing like a man possessed and to go out and get run over by his teammate reminds me of Pat Lafontaine when his time ended.

Without CHYTL (if he's out) Rangers have no real option other than to ride BRODZ but, based on merit, TDCHI's boy GROULX should be recalled for the road trip as an option...Though Jake LESYCHYSN seems much more a Ranger type move

https://nypost.com/2024/11/14/sports/rangers-topple-sharks-but-lose-filip-chytil-to-upper-body-injury/

Rf4l disregard i am just disgusted with rangers medical staff maybe it's nothing.

Rf4l this is your opinion or you have information. Please don't tease us like this it's no joking matter

I want the medical staff fired for letting him back out then he doesn't return. It's really malpractice unless he stiffened up and it's his neck???? Please let this kid be OK..

We played barely one period against a shit team laffy sleeping . Chytil let us pray these doctors must be idiots he is back on the ice then doesn't return to these docs have rocks in their brains I mean what the fuck is up with that.. maybe they should be examined.

PJ Was thinking about that with Carrick, but I think Cuylle and Kakkao could use somebody with a little more offense to compliment that cycling work of KK and Cuylle...For now, just leave the 4th line intact....If it's gonna be a long injury for CHYTL, you need to go outside the org..

I would put Carrick between Kakko and Cuylle and JBRO can center Edstrom and Vesey..

If it happens, LOsing CHYTL will be a killer...Not just for team composition but hat kid line has really been the only fun thing to watch this year with this team..and i fear what Laviolette will do now with Wild Will and Kakkao..We shall see..Did LAFFY play tonight???

Piss poor third...that was disappointing .. learn from how the Jets played with the lead the other night.. fortunate vs the worst offense in the league or they coulda woulda lost ..

Been so long since Z was one of the stars of the game he forgot to bring a puck with him….LOL

Good second period against a shit team..other then that, pretty meh teamwide except the 4th line...Baby steps i guess...Got a gimme goal but the stoic swede needs to enjoy the geme more..it will help....4 road games agaianst Sea, Van, EDM and Calgary should be a test...unfortunately short handed perhaps..

VtRanger. Agreed. Half a period of dominance during which Miller concussed Chytil. Being a Ranger fan is wonderful.

Hospo. No. Jbrod between them means 20+ minutes for Z and company and half that for Cuylle and KK. Guaranteed

Big steps by CHYTL and KAKKAO were huge to the Rangers being a very good team,,,Can he and CUYLLE continue to play well and not be marginalized by Laviolette without him? (if he's out!)

Hospo. Yes. Roo. But way too raw. Maybe Giroux but he's more of Carrick and JBrod. Drury get off your hands and find a young centre for Miller.

RF4L - The la ck of center depth has been lamented and unaddressed for a long time...BRODZ was it...Is there ANYBODY in HARTFORD with a little skill and a little bite that plays C?

No Chytil means Jbrod 3rd line centre means Z line back in top 6 means 85 and counting.

In Miller's defense it wasn't that nasty and hom just reactionary defensive move. This concussion was inevitable. And why Drury keeps failing this team by refusing to address it.

When the Rangers are allowed to skate willy nilly like they have since the 2nd period, they are OK...Good, solid work by the 4th line!...The CHYTL thing is a bummer

Hospo, exactly. My point was that it was nothing, accept for a mesh brain. if it is another concussion, it's his 6th or 7th.. Time to think about future outside of hockey.. Such a shame.

BRODZ up to 3rd C was gonna happen at some point...but this is the worst possible but most likely to happen reason..still sucks..CHYTL was playing well

ANdrie . getting hit/jolted on the chin like that can do just as much damage...especially for guy like CHYTL with history and an already scranmbled head set

Damn that sucks….The goalies stick was out of the crease…Tro couldn’t help but contact it..

Wasn't even a hit, Chytil with his head down ran into Miller. Not even a head contact.

Geesh Miller you asshole: https://x.com/DaveyUpper/status/1857233322876813485/video/1

Congrats Miller you finally hit somebody this season . Fucking jerkoff . Way to get your elbow up .

VTRANGER - Funny, i used VALBOT yesterday....You know it's bad because he was the worst Ranger ever....This malaise and apathy is BAD.

After the injury last season, Adam Fox has never gotten back to his previous level…and it has continued into this season. He’s not the same player he was, he’s not juking the way he used to, he just doesn’t seem like the DYNAMIC puck carrier & passer he was before. This is a BIG reason why the Rangers are struggling.

Even the kid line seems to be infected by the the new variant of ZBAD-93...ANd good to see the Sharks being built up tp a Cup contender by Sam and Joe

This team is playing with a level of passion not seen since 99-00 when Val Kamensky and Stef Quintal were wowing the faithful at MSG.

Goodrow was one of my faves..but him versus CARRICK in the regular season is just noise..

Re: Fox - he has been ordinary so far. Not the Fox we grew to know & love. Injuries took toll? Zbad disease? It seemed almost every night he would do something that would make you go wow. Not so much this year - so far.

Goodrow- Drury tried to shake off $11.6M in salary obligations last summer by dealing Goodrow and Trouba and it was all about the $$$. It was not personal, it was business. NYRs have RFAs to sign and don't want to be vulnerable to a STL-EDM RFA situation....

Hospo: My guess? Lardiolette has lost the room. Not unusual for him. Almost his MO.

Hospo's buddy diplomatically criticizing the Rangers for their refusal to play north south (the latter words are mine). Gee when have we heard that before? Oh I know. Understand AV. And DQ. And GG.

RF…My point was you were saying Kreider isn’t scoring enough at ES…If Z brings down every line he is on isn’t that impacting Kreider’s production?

Fluke goal .. does not hide the sloppy pathetic start .. WTF is wrong with these guys .. slow, can't make a clean crisp first pass..

Nosendick stroking the kid line and Jones abd Schneider. Gonna downplay or avoid altogether the Z issue.

RF…True but if Z brings down his new line, didn’t he bring down his old line?…Hard to score with a center in such a funk…

Rf4l that is a very good point you bring up. They spent a ton the GM is the guy with no neck right??

Z said he left game the other night because he just didn’t feel right…Did not get specific but said it was ok and he came back….Very strange…

BTW as we wring our hands fretting over the plight of the Rangers, imagine being a Predator fan? Tied for last in the league after spending over $100,000,000 on 3 aging veterans (Stamkos, Marchessault and Skjei). All are badly under-achieving. I didn't understand those signings when they happened and still don't - it's a younger players' league now - you chase 1 and that's a tad risky but 3 of them? Surely, they'll turn things around to a certain extent but all 3 contracts if they don't continue to suck this year, will in the near future. Long term lucrative deals handed out to players nearly 30 and worse, in their 30s rarely work out. Yet GMs continue to hand them out almost drunkenly. Thank goodness the Rangers have 4 or 5 young talented players on the roster who are capable of stepping up if/when Lardiolette finally realizes it's time to reduce the icetime of his over 30 crowd. Nashville cannot make that claim.

E - I agree with ALL of that..the only qualifier is what is the best way to get ZBAD going..is Laviolette going about it right? Or is it all in ZBAD's mind/attitude...As the Ranger World Turns...He's gonna score tonight..and at ES!

E: Yes I concur that's a possible avenue. But if the team overall is more effective taking him off of PP1 and using his line as the 3rd line, then one could argue their cup chances increase. Look at it another way: They got bounced in their 2 out of 3 final 4 appearances due to lack of 5 on 5 scoring - why would that change this spring, especially given Z's issues this year (which really started last xmas). MOst of us aren't advocating jettisoning him (can't anyways due to his NMC) - instead reduce the team's reliance on him.

PJ: Yes 8 goals but 3 are on the PP and 2 on the PK. That's why I say keep him on both speciality teams.

RF, HOSPO: I don’t entirely disagree. I do think Zibanejad is showing signs of a possible downtrend, and if it’s not physical, then it’s probably an issue that a sports psychologist would need to work on with him. However, I also see some wishful thinking here. There’s this idea that the Rangers need to be extra cautious with asset management, but I disagree. I think this team’s window closes after the playoffs. The Rangers are all-in this year, and next season, we could see a significant turnover on defense—not a full rebuild, but definitely some changes. Zibanejad’s contract has turned into a bit of an albatross, but that was expected. Still, if this team is near the top of the standings and looks like a contender, I think Drury will go all-in. Laviolette, for his part, will do whatever it takes to get Zibanejad firing again, because the Rangers can’t win a Cup without his impact. That might mean keeping Lafreniere off PP1 to try to get Zibanejad going, giving him the best shot at finding his form. And that wont change unless that PP stagnates. But for the most part the PP continues to be the money maker. I don’t see another way, unless we may start seeing teams begin to key in on Chytil’s line a lot more, which could lead to Zibanejad yielding some ice time.

Kreider has 8 goals and will have a decent season in the end….If Z is ruining Panarin and Laff, what about Kreider and Smith being stuck with him for most of the season…

Hospo: One could argue that mental apathy has existed on and off since AV was behind the bench. That's 4 coaches and 2 GMs. What's the consistent aspect? K and Z. Interesting, eh?

VCP - Don't believe that at all, not for a team that only won two rounds, didn't break a sweat agasint the Caps, and had the non physical Canes..To me this is mental apathy by the too many core players---lack of effort, focus and need to win....becasue they know the POs are the gig...It is the coaches job to guard against this Zbadian malaise..

i say when you go far in the playoffs , you are burnt out for the next season unless your one of the younger players

Yeah, agreed on P and L but I'd argue their issues are more aligned timing with the Z/T swap. If Trocheck is trending downwards due to age the Rangers are in HUGE trouble. It's one thing to deal with a declining top 6 centre - it's another to be dealing with both. And to reiterate - this is me musing about an IF which is NOT me saying it's reality. Yet.

When you're under performing as a team and issues are more execution than talent then a game like the last one.. where we saw some improvements but not the result is most likely the path back to improvements that result in positive outcomes .. opportunities to win but still shoot yourself in the foot at critical times ... keep workin at getting consistent effort .. still positive this team has a lot more to show us

RF4L - Yep, I also don't think LAFFY and PANARINA have been all that good either...ZBAD is just much more obvious ...Other then trying to play pretty hockey, the effort and chemisty of the top five (or what used to be the Top five - SMITH has been fine) just isn't there....Laviolette needs to figure it out, abandoning his cockamamey line changes was/is a start......................Anybody see JR's Hockey Hall of Fame acceptance speech last night?? Not my favorite, but the guy is an entertaining character and worked his ass off..until success got the better of him for awhile

Hospo: Don't disagree. Did you realize that Trocheck has 2 points in his last 9 games? That slump started before the Z/T swap. It's going a little under the radar because of Z's very obvious issues but AFAIC is concerning. Let's hope he's not starting down the same over 30 decline hill Z appears to be battling!

RF4L - The game against the Jets was the Rangers best in quite awhile (in general) yet there were still major issues..For a layman like me, everything points to going back to the Pan-TRO-Laf line and giving the kid line the more minutes they have earned and then let the other line earn it's way back in...Laviolette has been resisting this and putting more improtance on getting ZBAD going..I don't agree but he has been around a long time and maybe this is the way he has operated with these issues in the past with the long term view in mind......Anyways, would love see more ice time for the kid line tonight, they tare the most entertaining thing we have...But also a breakout from the core vets agasint a weak opponent is just what the Doctor ordered..we'll see

Here's what I'd do to try to address the forwards issues: IMO, it's time to unhitch the team's fortunes from Z and K. That isn't to say jettison both - they can still be important contributors (especially K). Instead, treat them as they really are now - 3rd liners with special team minutes (K on the PK and PP and Z on the PK). For too many years these 2 along with Panarin and Trocheck/Strome have blocked all of Laf, KK, Chytil and now Cuylle. It's time to give all of them more legitimate opportunities. They started this last year by moving Laf to the top 6 and look how he responded. So, start giving Z, K and Smith 3rd line minutes. Replace Z with Laf on PP1 and make the Chytil/KK/Cuylle trio as your PP2 unit (with Jones at one of the points).

What is worse. Giving Zbad undeserved ice time prevents a more deserving player like Laffy to get the opportunity he has earned.

E - I can't get onboard all of that..first off, ZBAD is just starting the downslope of his career..it's pretty obvious..things don't come as easy to him..he has to work harder and diversify to be as good as possible..I see zero evidence of that..all i see is a player cruising around the ice looking for open spaces...I know he's not a physical player, never was and that's OK, but the way he is playing the game now is absurd and is not all about a player doing everything and being snakebit or gripping his stick too tight..In his case, IMWO, those are symptoms of his overall mental, physical, and effort funk (that's a euphemism of course)

E...I don't agree. I think it's time to unhitch the Rangers fortunes from Z. This isn't to say discard him - it's let other younger Rangers have the legitimate opportunity to step up. Other than promoting Laf to the 2nd line it's not bee. The case for any young forward. P K T (and Strome before him) and Z have blocked them. Z us faltering and that started last Xmas. It's time.

RF: The funny thing for me is I wouldn’t take Zibanejad off of the PP for now. Especially the first unit. This is his paydirt moment for him. I think that if youre struggling to score and you're looking to ignite a guy, there is no better time than the PP. I would yank him if I thought the PP was suffering with him just being there I’d pull him. I think he is having trouble adjusting to the way Bread is playing the PP. Bread is just all over the place now. And I think giving him that space has allowed Bread to not get buried along the boards with no time and space. I think Zibanejad was accustomed to just drifting into the high circle for the clap. And he still does that but now Bread is now across the ice at times causing Zibanejad to have to drift up in case the puck clears. But let’s be real. Bread is crushing the PP right now. He's scoring from all over the place. Zibanejad is suffering for this. And then 2X he received the puck last game in position and he shit the bed on one and cracked the pipe with the other. So, when its gone bad its never easy. Talk about a guy who needs to just have one of those games where he breaks thru in the worst way. He clearly is feeling the pressure.

Let's see a show of hands who want teams to peak now and suck later. Let's win a presidents trophy and use it for taking a dump

yep (1)schneider/miller....... 2 fox/lindgren (3) trouba /jones....sometimes players thrive with certain partners....hey ladylovelavy waker upey

PJ/RF4L - Agree that he isn't doing it now ..but...he was doing paired with SCHNEIDER for like 20 games last year..We saw a confident and physical MILLER in the POs...who only should have been better this year...Just like ZFLOAT, a mystery for how bad he's been....but I remain convinced he needs to be paired with SCHNEIDER again and Jones with Troubs

Hospo…Miller may not be traded or benched but he should be…This is a young guy with size that refuses to use it…He is providing no offense and his hockey IQ doesn’t even register…Yes he can skate and that allows him to recover after some of his mistakes…That is about it right now…

evets. Interesting. Squishface would be interested. How about Jackeye and Joshua Roy for him??

I love Miller and think he's an important player, but I do believe he's stagnated a bit and it's possible he is what he is at this point. I think this is the prime time to make hockey trade involving Miller and I do think he has big value around the league. I wonder if there is a deal to be made with Tampa. Miller and an additional small piece for Ryan McDonagh at 50% and Connor Geekie or Isaac Howard.

VCP - It doesn't..:) and dream on..The Rangers are stuck with ZABD for the entire season and POs....so he better get his head out of his ass unless it is lodged there permantly........PJ - What bothers me now is the way Laviolette is handling SCHNEIDER and all of his defensive pairings....That said, it kinda comes down to JONES over MANCINI and I can live with that becasue Jones will be important come an injury to Fox.... it doesn't bother me all that much to see Boom Boom not wasting away in the NY stands and instead playing 5 AHL games in the next 10 Days starting Friday....Let Ruwhedel collect splinters.....Mancini will be back when there is an injury (i.e., MILLER is not being traded or benched!)

Wow mancini farmed out, now I am completely confused. What the fuck are they doing.ok they are giving him minutes in Hartford so ...... in case of injury...ok I guess. Who the hell knows.

Hospo.he is a very good regular season player who does many good things. After he wakes up , at some point he needs to be traded for a N/S player. That is what I want. Not that it matters.

Mancini farmed out is ridiculous…As weak as we have been back there…And Miller’s minutes aren’t being reduced and he is a nightmare out there…He can stickcheck and do snow angels though…

E….Agree Z doesn’t look right…His speed at one time was an asset…He is slow and incredibly indecisive….I defended him in the past due to the fact his line had tough assignments and even though they weren’t scoring much they were good defensively…Z had 78 points and Kreider near 40 goals last year…Special teams aces for sure and Kreider will always be very streaky….This year Z has been pretty bad in all phases…Smith actually has contributed energy to that line but with a floating center nothing comes of it….Hope they have a solution but it should start with less ice time and removal from PP1….

One question, were the boos in MSG at the end of the game directed at the Rangers...or just ZBAD...asking for a friend (personally, I though 80% of the team played a good game)

VCP - So, let me get this straight, you don't want to dump ZBAD when times are hard becasue he will work it out (and as RF4L said,99% of the WALL is saying don't dump him or we can't dump him!!)...but..OTOH...you have been saying for two years that the Rangers will never ever win a cup with ZBAD as a top center...So, what is it and what do you want?

Unfortunately meritocracies generally don’t exist in the NHL. Number of years in the league and contracts have more to do with ice time than it should. Especially when it is obviously not working. E I agree with much of what you say. They are trying to get Z going with as little impact on the standings as possible. Will it work before descent takes hold? Remains to be seen. And Z is not the only dog out there. Miller and Fox have been pretty bad as well.

ZBAD the regular season player should get first line minutes sorry folks you dont just dump a guy when times are hard. playoffs is a different story

Hospo: The Barfalo game should have been relatively easy, too. I honestly have no sense of what Ranger team will show up tomorrow...!

Z opened up to the press a little today acknowledging his struggles and citing that mentally it's posing a challenge. He seems genuine in his expressed desire to work through it. IMO it's high time Lardiolette drops his minutes - take him off PP1 and ensure his line gets actual 3rd line minutes. He can and probably should remain on the PK1 unit but stop putting him out there when the team is up/down by a goal in the final minutes. That decision should happen accompanied by a coach/player sit down. If/when Z pulls himself out of it, then his minutes can slowly increased (depending of course, how the team is faring - re if the first 2 lines and PP1 are producing, then so be it; the team comes first. This said, I'd be surprised to see Lardiolette do such a thing but if his funk continues sooner or later that has to be done. Will it take Drury to force his coach? Given what we've read about Drury, that certainly wouldn't be something he's not done prevoiusly. We shall see. At least Lardiolette switched back yesterday T and Z late in the 3rd (and the T line then had 2 strong shifts in the Jet end).

RF4L - Mancini pressboxed and Schneider gets 12 minutes..Laviolette continues to boggle my mind..granted, that is not difficult to do....Lets just hope hos patience and strategy is rewarded.....Anyways, an easy game at home tomorrow night against the soft and bad Sharks..if ZBAD can't break out against them with 23 minutes, not sure what to tell ya!

Rf4l. The wonderful world of rangers land.. how many cups we have , why do we bitch so much, geeee wiz

BTW it's looking like Mancini is going to be pressboxed AGAIN tomorrow night. WTF. More bad asset management courtesy of the New York Rangers. 85 and counting isn't a coincidence!

So VM posted some 5 on 5 numbers and guess what? Only 5 forwards are producing. Can you guess who? Hint, it's not the 4th line nor is it the $30,000,000 trio...

VTRanger - I try to be!....And guys, I'm hearing the tormented soul and lack of confidence crap about ZBAD but ain't buying into it..the effrot relly isn't there except skating....him not caring enough or sacrificing enough is just as probable...Post concussion syndrome I am not buying either..now, being afraid of suffering another concussion and ruining his post hockey DJ career? I can see that (with or without the DJ career stuff!)

On Zibanejad , Im starting to wonder if he is not in game shape. Unless hes hiding something. And the team is not saying. But something aint right with him. Maybe it is in his head. But Im watching him closely and he seems behind the play uncharacteristically too often. Ive never questioned his fitness before but you have to begin to speculate because something is wrong. In the interim the coaches are gonna keep trying to get him going. But eventually it’s gonna be time to cut down on his ice time. I felt like last night was one of those nights where I thought Trochek, Chytl were going much better and the 4th line was really buzzing.

RF: Im a big believer in ice time being earned but with Zibanejad the reality is that the fortunes of the team have a lot to do with him. So, the coaches are trying to get him the ice time to get him going. Last night he looked to me like a guy who really has no confidence. Hes always been a streaky scorer but he had two one-timer’s on the PP from his favorite spot and when he is going he is automatic with that shot. He flat out shanked one and the other he put off the metal. Sometimes they dont go in. But usually he is reliable on the defensive side of the puck so even if he isnt scoring he is still value added in that he is shutting down whoever he plays against. But last night he was a mess. I mean could he have played a worse game? That was one of the worst games for him in a long while. And it hasn’t exactly been pretty this season. On the good side, the Chytl line continues to be making all the right moves. They are so complimentary to each others games. It’s a really good line. Hard to play against. When you have a guy who owns the boards and is impossible to separate from the puck, a center who is gonna shoot almost every time the puck is on his stick and a big tough kid who can get in on the goalie and get dirty goals? That’s a solid line. It reminds me a bit of the McKinnon, Rantanan, and Landeskog line. Only nowhere near as skilled. Each one is bringing a very different skillset. Put together they can play against anyone and spend the entire shift in the offensive zone.

It would not shock me if Zib was dealing with some type of post-concussion syndrome. That is pure speculation on my part, but he sure looked wobbly coming off the ice and sitting on the bench. And was offered help getting back to the room. I just don't think this is a desire or entitlement thing. I think it may be medical.

SeaMark: That's all cool, but could we have acquired "Coolie" b other means? ;->

I turned the game off shortly after Fox failed to get the puck out of our zone, WPG gained possession Miller fell down, and some unknown big bodied RHS Center named VILARDI who we could have had instead of 'Sideways Lisa Andersson' scored on the $12million dollar wannabee.... "There's No Urgency in this group, where's the Captain?!"

And BTW, this team really started playing bad when REMPE was sent down...Just sayin and being a scooch...

Cuylle with 11 minutes and a goal and an assist and a +2. Zcrap with 22 minutes and 0 goals and 0 points and a -4. Inexplicable and indefensible. This, however, is indicative of many veteran coaches and why this particular coach starts to lose his team as soon as year 2 of his tenure. It's called lack of accountability and serves to create dissention within the room. I am not saying that Cuylle is about to rock the bottom but these guys aren't stupid - they see the disparity and eventually, if allowed to continue, resentment sets in. And that's not even getting into how the lack of effectiveness from the veteran players getting all the icetime impacts the team's overall performance game in and game out. Lardiolette, in other words, had better start making adjustments or else next season Drury will have his 4th head coach behind the bench (if not sooner).

Agreed with Kis this team needs a shakeup, need to bring in some new faces. Zbad needs to quit hockey and focus on his DJ business. Nice and safe no getting hit. Something is definitely wrong with him mentally and emotionally, he has a blank look on his face. Miller has talent but no smarts to use it, fancies using his stick over his body. Became a big concern last year and wasn’t fixed. Drury needs to act now or this team may be sellers at the deadline.

Hospo: Here's a twist, LAVI heaping the minutes on the so-called Vets on this roster at the expense of diminished minutes to the younger players, highlights the fact that our vets are not bringing the effort needed to win the match.

If look at the ES ATOI, it’s clear that Mika’s line is 3rd. Now, if we just stretch the difference from seconds to minutes, we’ll be cooking with gas. If I am the coach, I’m riding CHYTIL and the young bucks until their blades get dull.

MF - I'm all for ZBAd's haircut..seeing that long hair not even moving is nauseating...Get a Hair Cut and Get a Real Job!! George Thorogood

In addition to what my eyes see every game, There's the mumbers.In 14 games, ZBAD is a minus 6 has only 4 Non PP/PK/EN points and ONE Non PP/PK/EN goal...all averging 18 minutes of ice and getting over 20 minutes..Laviolette and ZBAD are making a fine tag...like IRON Mike SHarpe and Johnny Rodz.......................As for MILLER, I would repir him with SCHNEIDER before dealing him..And once gin, Schneider with 13 mins last night and Cuylle with 11 is just insane....

CoiffureLegs: When are you going to rinse the bleach out of Miller's Du so he doesn't have any more, "Blond Moments?" And BTW, Zbad needs a 2022/2023 Panarin Style haircut! "Get er dun!" ;->)

El Bee' strikes again - https://nypost.com/2024/11/13/sports/the-rangers-cant-keep-going-on-like-this/

STEVIE - So, at least you can say you were around when Pilate washed his hands and sealed the Rangers fate..doo dooo.dooo..dooo

The great and powerful mf has provided the blueprint for the HC & GM. What they resist, persists! Until they do, they will never know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12R4FzIhdoQ

Hospo: Right on. Z and Krieder are a third line shut down pairing and penalty killing duo. They are not able to meet the expectations of a first line combo. Krieder is great at tip ins around the net but invisible at even strength play. Their contracts are apparently determining their roles.

Rangers can’t keep going on like this — or it will get much worse By Larry Brooks

Way to go lardiolette playing Pontius Pilate when your job is to know most things about your players. And you are doling out ice time in a vacuum? The honeymoon is over, and he and his coaches have to be held accountable. But DD drury is not going to do anything. The Nyr culture is alive and well and hasn’t changed. That’s most of what you need to know to understand about their inability to win 16 postseason games in 30 years. It’s basically a mercenary organization. Jimmyboy is making money off of this so as long as they don’t embarrass him, rinse and repeat. That’s entertainment.

rf4l: That is not the first time that has happened this season. It seems every time he is given a lay up he chokes. We don't know where his mind is but clearly some thing that has caused him to lose his focus is rattling around in there.

If Z is fragile mentally how will he respond if/when the MSG faithful start booing him. There clearly was disdain when he missed on the 1 timer with the gapingly wide open net.

VCP - ZBAD was not our #1 center last year nor is he this year nor will he ever be again at ES..Just hope he can find it in him to be a good 2nd or 3rd line Center....And of course I was kidding bout TORTS ..would just like him for the entertainment value for how he would handle the ZBAD situation...which, honestly, might be what Mousy Meeka needs..

Hospo please torts sucks . You must be joking. I have no idea who could replace him if they continue to lose and don't make lineup changes. They played better but D was still shaky. 3 and 4 the lines need more ice time

Hellebuyck better than Igor tonight as well although Igor was not to blame at all…

If entitlement has snuck in.. that is a huge issue.. 3 guys showing they deserve more.. ,Lafrenière Cuylle and Jones .. at least 2 showing they deserve less Zbad and Miller ....Happy to see Jones has taken over as PP2 QB even though they get no time.. we all know Laffy deserves PP1 and not Z ...

Laviolette telling the reporter to ask Mika if he is pressing…No, you are the coach and should be all over Z to find out what is going on…He was very careful not to single out Z which tells me nothing will be done…I did hear some boos when Mika was whiffing on scoring chances…It will only get worse…

RF4L - the only impact Mika made tonight was give a few glorious scoring opportunities to Peg. Two of which they capitalized on

Oh and Kakko needs to shoot more and stop deferring. That kid could be a 30 goal scorer if he got some decent PP time and shot more. That’s all. G’night. This team is infuriating. Is the coaches message wearing off already. It’s Lardiolette’s MO after all

VTRanger - I don't know about the tormented soul stuff..Maybe...or .maybe he just doesen't give a shit anymore?..or maybe he just doesn't want to work hard enough or sacrifice as much as the other players are..I see zero of either...and maybe that's why his headis up his ass.....It's one or the other and Laviolette needs to find out soon...tret the guy like a man and find out what the hell is what..stop the kid glove shit

If you don’t thin Z is shot, you’re letting your player loyalty blind you. Constant giveaways, shies away from hard battles/board work (although that was never his calling card, but it’s gone down another notch or two), missing open nets that he can’t tee up with his slapped, and the list goes in. Is he playing w/ and injury.?? What did little whiny boy skate to the locker room? If he’s not playing hurt this guy is toast, and the longer the coach doesn’t believe the worse off we’ll be. He’s a 3rd like center who doesn’t like to take the body now. A skilled way overpaid 3rd line C that can still play some pretty good D and man the PK. He deserves the criticism he’s receiving based off the contract he signed. You signed it dude. You made your bed, now you gotta lie in it and deal with some boos shortly coming your way. I thought I may have heard some groans and boos at the the end for him. Especially when he missed the wide open net w/ his slapped that has gone colder than the cryo freeze I did earlier. Done. And Miller, oh Miller. This guy commits 2/3 egregious D brain farts a game and constantly out of position. If there is a stupid enough GM yo trade a young top 6 C for Zbad and Miller, news the time to be hood Drury. Sadly, you don’t have a bold bone in your body. Reactive vs. Proactive.

Be great if the spineless press instead asked: "How long are you prepared to give Z premium icetime given how poorly he's playing?'

Peter Laviolette was asked if he thinks Mika Zibanejad is pressing right now: "I can't speak for Mika and where he's at. You'd have to ask him. I know that we count on Mika, he's an impact player for us."

Unfortunately, I don’t think Z will respond to a benching. The skill and speed are still there—this is 100% mental. I’d have Mess take him out to dinner and tell him 3 things: 1) you need need to decide right now if you still want to be an elite player; 2) if so, stop carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders; and 3) stop thinking so much on the ice and get back to having fun out there. Mika looks like a tormented soul who is overthinking everything.

And while I am at it...SCHNEIDER with only 13 minutes? what the eff is Laviolette doing to the young players???

Only 1 Ranger forward had less shifts than WIll Cuylle...something is effing wrong with the Rangers and Laviolette's merit system

20 fucking minutes of ZSHIT tonight..11 minutes of Will Cuylle..11 minutes of Kakkao...Yes, the team played better tonight...ZBAD and Laviolettec didn't...again

CM - Well, Laviolette played ZBAD through it tonight and the puke shit on the team...Yes, he dresses every night but like any other player, he gets ice time and opportunities by earning it...He's nothing special, deserves no special treatment...

A disappointing loss but other than Z and Miller the Rangers were better…Trouba and Miller are a disaster back there and the lines need to be put back…I had suggested sitting Z and Miller for a game a week ago…..Mancini makes us better than Miller..Z now losing his defensive ability makes him a liability..I would sit him for a game and/or severely limit his ice…Has to come off the PP….

I thought this game was much better. Take away Zmistakes and Rangers outplayed the Jets for a lot of the game. Like it or not Lavi has to play Z through it. I still don’t think sitting him is the answer. Like it or not he’s going to be on the team and Lav’s job is to get him going. Andrei- name one player of Z’s ilk and KC tract that “would be on waivers”? Maybe when you could bury contracts in the minors. But z was a disaster tonight, maybe had 1 good shift the entire game. But I don’t think the Jets are that much better than the Rangers. Hellybuck had as bad a playoffs as any last spring. But that doesn’t mean he’s not a good goalie. But they are getting points now when they need to which will take the pressure off at the end of the season.

RF4l - Unless there is a mental issue ala Andersson, there isn't much DRURY can do right now...It's all in Laviolettes hands..Kid gloves haven't worked, that's for sure

KIS - Even before ZBAD morphed into Valerie KAMENSKY, he was not the team's first center..The best we can hope for is for him to retire to DJing...or just be a good 3rd C and PP/PK specialist///Help the fucking team you moop!

Zffs is a HUGE issue right now that needs to be recognized and addressed by Drury and friends. This is more than a decline based on age. At least Lardiolette put T back either L and P...

Their best game in awhile by some but not nearly enough to overcome ZWORST and Laviolette..Hopefully , Big COutry stops Zbading the team and at least gives them three lines the next game with Panarina-Tro-Laffy back together

Rangers will have to make changes. As i said this organization wont win the cup with zbad as the first line center. I dont care what anybody says. Id bet my children on that statement

Lafrenière has been superior to Zibanejad since Game 1 this season! Yet, he has to take a back seat and the team gets jumbled to try and “fix” Zibanejad? ENOUGH, LAVIOLETTE! ENOUGH!

This coach I don't know anymore..another retread what did we expect miracles. We get one good year that's it..9-4 . Zbad and miller pretty damn bad. We played better but defense still poor.

Tom427 - exactly what i said 2 weeks ago! His head is not into hockey the way you have to be if you want to win a Cup! He likes DJing, he loves his child and he is completely DISTRACTED! His head is everywhere except the ice!

Shesty is going to have a GEORGIEV like save percentage playing with this lack of focus, lack of detail team.

It is unbelievable how many giveaways by Z tonight? There was obviously no accountability by the coach when it comes to him

Are you fucking kidding me? Get Zibanejad off of the god damned PP and put Laf there! He FANNED on a wide open fucking net!

2X Zibanejad has shanked the 1-timer. On top of whatever else is going on he is snakebite.

Now we can say ZBAD isn't the only reason the team lost despite his most valiant effort! But now a PP!!!!

They have played a much better game tonight. They got punished for some horrible mistakes though.

Yes Tro back with P & L please. Also ever since Z had his first child there has been a difference / coincidence?

Z is clearly struggling but to suggest he would be put on waivers is a bridge too far.

Even if ZROT finally finds away to remove his head from his ass..the line of LAFFY-ZBAD-PANARINA.just.has nobody to battle for pucks

I’ve always loved Zbads game - good offense - good on PP - kills PPs but damn something is not right with him.

Not trying to gaslight, but said earlier today, any another player would be on waivers. But his name is ZShit… At least kids line is going again. Shows you how smart Lavi was for breaking it apart few games back..

ZMOPE isn't even doing Pee Wee things right..stcik lifted twice this period..The guy's head is up his candy ass

I'm sorry..get ZBAD the fuck out of there..not even thinking..not aware ..nothing..Hurting the team big time

Rangers not playing a bad game at all…Z two bad turnovers and Miller continues his poor play….Rangers running into a hot goaltender….Many good chances…

Only saw the 2nd period but most of the team is playing pretty good and, I think, better than in the last 5 games..Well, not everybody of course

VCP - Why do you say that now? I was not a backer of CARRICK but h has been preetty darn good..and easily better than the 1st 80 games of Goodrow last year..The POs, of course are another story as Goodie showed!.

Did ZFRAID hear the thundering footsteps of the imposing Neil Pionk on tht play?

At what point do the bench Zbad for a game? I mean what else can they do? They changed all the fucking line combos and he's still shitting the bed...

Rangers not a very good team currently. Very disjointed. Dont play much worh a purpose. No lofe. They dont win many battles. Trocheck not doi g ahit. Not fast. Not physical. Just bla. Winnepeg out rangeri g the ramgers. Play same stylw as tangers. They arent ohysical enough either

Missed the first 25 minutes..tuned in to see Fox take his time getting back to the man on the PK

rf4l - fat Lou said park an SUV there (Barclays center). My last post didn’t post.

Two Rangers around & in front of the net on that goal, Cuylle & KaKKo. Good job.

love the Cuylle goal... low to high...fire it at the net no hesitation or dippsy doodle... rebound and he was right on it.. Rangers D still givin ground at the blueline... the Jets stand up

A typical dumb Drew question. Does the visiting team’s backup goalie always stand by the Zamboni entrance?

Bob…I defended Zbad constantly….No longer as he has become a liability….Floats and appears to not give a shite….

Pionk is a kid I really liked. And he selected NY and got punted before he ever established. Hes undersized but hes pretty nasty of a customer at times.

I have to join some others up here. I’ve resisted up until now, but what on earth has happened with Zibanejad? It’s bad enough. He’s not scoring, but giving the pucker away like that and that ends up in their net immediately, my goodness.

The Copp deal was horrid. As bad as the Buch deal if not worse. Yep I took the bait!!

FYI: Roslovic is playing Top Line RW with Svechnikov/Aho. That might be helping his production. https://puckpedia.com/team/carolina-hurricanes

Rhet: It is No Bueno because unless Gorilla Monsoon is the RW on that line, it's a finesse line, and IMO that's not the combo to be experimented with at this time of the season.... It's just my opinion

pete - I was waiting for that on Roslovic! And Weinberger has a few goals too! Maybe Roslovic has finally found a home but I really wouldn't want him (or the other guy or Namestnikov) and his style of play come POs..i for one never blamed the Bromancers ES malaise on their RW candidates but that that they were unable to play nice with anybody at ES! Let's see how they play tonight apart!

Hospo - Bite your tongue with lumping Roslovic in with Drury's dreary deals. He leads the Hurricanes in goals with 9 through 14 games! More evidence that we've been thinking about the problem with the ZBad line in the wrong way for several years now.

DEFINTELY some story lines in this game...BARRON isn't what I'd call one of the top ones, but he's there. Having a solid career, but really right now? He's a grinder for the Jets, and only has an assist to his name in 15 games. Everyone on our fourth line is doing better...the real story?! Hospo's favorite, Vlad NAMESTNIKOV. That dude has found himself a career in Winnipeg and is having a pretty decent season for a guy who the Rangers basically treated like a throwaway. Though his trade line is STILL active, with Kalle VAISANEN still on the radar, albeit dimly...and then there's Neal PIONK, who, to a degree, is doing the same thing for the Jets as TROUBA. Maybe and arguably more, and at a cheaper price...for now. Anywho, the Jets' defense has been stingy as hell...and they're potting goals...a lot of them, with 11 guys in double digits with points to the Rangers' four...they play all loosey fucking goosey like they've been playing, and this game will be a repeat of the Capitals' bitchslapping.

I am curious to see what happens with the Devils. I went into the season thinking two things: First was that they added a bunch of big, slow, older players and that none of them really brought with them a championship pedigree...and second, was that though big, slower and older certainly doesn't sound good, there are teams that have ridden that combo pretty far in the post season...Nevertheless, they haven't done that great against top teams...and getting shut out by their former tended on Sunday? Chef's kiss...that said...when in glass houses, don't throw stones, they say...

Hospo - LOL, sadly, I just can't bring myself to hate Jack. He's just too good of a player. As the years have gone on, my shine for him has definitely lost it's luster...but man...Luke is a TOTALLY different story. I tried to like that dude. Then the Devils took him, so that was off the table. But I was like 'OK, the u20s definitely make strange bedfellows...' and gave myself permission to cheer for that puke...only to watch him LITERALLY piss away a medal one year and tank to a bronze the next...I've loathed that fuck ever since then, and when he went pro, I was telling people it was one of the worst decisions of his career. He's like the HUGHES' family's version of fucking Jared STAAL. All these people talking him up and just totally without the goods...Anywho...the Devils and Lindy RUFF sheltered his minutes so goddamn bad last season...like Turd DeANGELO bad...and I was telling one retarded Devils fan after the next that they shouldn't be so high on the guy...and man, the hornets did not take kindly to me swatting their nest. Man, I had so many jerkoffs telling me that I was just a stupid Ranger fan and that if he was ON the Rangers, I'd be blah blah blah...Anyway...I guess I should be a bit easy on the kid. I think he's coming off a shoulder injury, which having done the same myself, is just never an enviable recovery...but yeah...he's a GREAT example of a kid 1. taken WAAAAAAAAY too early in the draft; 2. overhyped by everyone and their mother, instead of getting the tough love he needed to actually learn a thing or two; and now 3. getting gifted a top-four position despite not having a lick of defensive acumen. There were many wrongs made along the way...but the Devils' development of him is just borderline criminal.

The only reason the NJD are in first place(at least mostly tied) if because they've played so many games. The NYR's still have 5 games in hand on them.

TDCHI - Luke HUGHES..now there is something we can agree on..I hate the entire fucking family of spolied punks but at least the other two are talented at what they do..And try having him on your RFC FHL team when you hate his guts and he blows every game!!..I want to drop him every night....just like I would with ZCRUISE...:)

TDCHI - What, you think you are the only one to say ad nauseum that the entire Top 6 has been bad? Far from it.....We'll agree to disagree on the finer points of ZFLOAT, errr ZBAD, I mean Mika Zbanijad..Screw that, I'll spell it wrong every time! Don't let it bother you soo much!

MF.... Why is that No Bueno? They're actually doing pretty well. Better than any other line.

My boy Luke HUGHES making me proud: nine games, one helper and a -4 on the first place team. Can't tell y'all how many fucking moron Devils fans I had coming at me for trying to explain the dude was rushed and was the lesser of the three HUGHES brothers by a country mile.

re: the special teams, you have to understand that 30 seconds is a LONG time to be on the ice in the NHL...45 seconds is a lifetime. 1 minute? You might as well be standing. And while you're partly right on the PP...there is more stationary play...dude...those guys are taking between 1:30 and 1:45. That is A TON of ice. And watch them tonight...you might get 10-12 seconds of staying in one spot once they're set...the Rangers' PP is at its most effective when most of the guys out there are moving. Any loose puck means someone is having to retrieve. The PP is a HUGE energy suck. And it's why it's next to ridiculous to have a unit play close to 2 minutes.

Hospo - Welp, let's just say when every other post it's ZCline, Zshit, ZBad...it's easy to make generalizations. And it's just silly. The dude has had a slow start, but he's hardly alone. As I've said just about every game for the past eight or nine, the whole top six isn't playing all that well.

I guess tonight we get reminded of how dearly Drury over-payed at the deadline 3 years when we see Morgan Barron and his zero points in his last fifteen games but scores a goal somehow!...KInda kidding for a good friend.... Drury did overpay a bit for Copp but the deal never bothered me all that much....That young team needed to learn how to win and a long PO run was a good class room..Of course, the next two years Drury flubbed with needless acquisitions like Kane, Roslovic, weingerberg, Ruwhedel who provided little help or, in the case of KANE, even worse !................Be so nice to see a complete quasi-controlling game tonight, it really has been at least 7 games..

TDCHI - one thing, Laviolette has defineitley decreased ZBADS ES strength play, Kreider even more....Just a layman's take, but I'm not with you on the ice time argument on ZBADS and how all the time on special teams drags his even strength play down..On the PP, he's mainly skating around the perimiter and winding up for shots..he does exert himself on the PK but, by design, it is still very low physical contact....I would think as an athlete just passing his prime, there should be no recovery issue from his special team use...A problem to me, is that he play at ES the way he likes to play on the special teams, and that won't get it done IMWO, especially come March..and I always take the long look

TDCHI - Serioulsy Man, the pass the bong and what type of drugs are you taking stuff? And these generalizations and criticizing the entire Wall with shit like "All I read on the Wall these days is how Z is the source of everything that is wrong with the Rangers"...Please, put 5-6 names to it for Christ sakes....because I only remember one person doing that...Then again the last two games against Detroit and Buffalo were pretty long ago for an old man like me...But I remember posters like PJ, myself and others taking the entire non-kid line/4th line team to task including and especially LAVIOLETTE..And yes, ZBAD gets more than his fair share for several reasons, well, at least from me: the style with which he has been playing, his ES weankesses, the way IT SEEMS like the lines were fucked over cater to/help ZBAD in a very kid glove like fashion....and, here's the big one, it's a damn running joke also!!..You get that, right?.....As for ZBAD, and just speaking for myself and nobody else, I have said many times he is skilled, fast and talented, a good defensive player, a very good Special teams (BOTH PK and PP), but one who IMWO likes to play in open ice and avoids contact like the plague..This works against some teams not others...I want more from him plain and simple..He's at the age where he has to adjust and try a bit harder...I watch him and I see a guy skating,cruising, floating, staying on the perimiter..Until I see other wise, I will still ride him becausee i also know he can be and needs to be a very valuable player for the Rangers for the regualr season.....The POs are another story all together!!

Again...eye test DOES say Z isn't starting gangbusters this season...but FFS. LOOK AT HIS USAGE. Look at the lines he's going up against. Look at how he is played...look at WHERE he is played. The guy is getting trotted out for PK1 and ends up usually staying out for a solid minute. Then he's also on PP1, and being trotted out for 1:45 shifts...in BOTH cases, these are long-ass shifts. The only other guys who are getting close to this kind of time are KREIDER(5:11) and TROCHECK(5:22 on special teams)...Like it or not, this impacts a player. The PK especially...One minute of PK is like three skating north-south at even strength. It's fucking grueling. And the PP ain't much better. These are hard minutes, and given where the Rangers' PP and PK are(6th and 1st overall in the NHL), I'd say he ain't just floating around out there like a goddamn linesman...Do I expect more at 5-on-5? Yep. But let's tap the brakes here...Oh and one other prediction? If LAVIOLETTE actually DID reduce Z's time on the PK/PP...you'd see his even-strength numbers improve...and I'd wager a very large sum of money that you'd see the Rangers' special teams...at least the PK...decline.

Oh and while we're looking into why things MAY be the way they are...Do any of you happen to know who LEADS the Rangers in special team ATOI? Give ya' a hint: It's the same guy who is 14th in ATOI at even strength...sandwiched between KAKKO and SMITTY Jr...sooooo...just gonna put this out there...if a player averages...let me pull a number out of thin air...say 18:45 per game...and 2:30 of that is spent on the kill...and 3 minutes is spent on the PP...wouldn't it stand to reason that his 5-on-5 numbers MIGHT...now here me out...MIGHT not be as good as someone who...say...played 15 or 16 minutes at 5-on-5, as opposed to just 12:30?

LOL. Sometimes, I just gotta wonder with some of y'all. ZIBANEJAD has had his minutes reduced by close to 2 so far this season. Called out AND got his minutes cut. He's still almost a PPG player. Still drawing the toughest assignments...yet he's shit. He floats. He avoids injury. And NOW. NOW! The best of the best from our walking hyperbole...that IF Z's name was any different, we'd all be calling for him to be on waivers. Like seriously dude. Put down whatever you're smoking or drinking. All I read on the Wall these days is how Z is the source of everything that is wrong with the Rangers. I'm just waiting for the typing hyperbole to argue that he's not even an NHL center...but whatever. Get a grip. Seriously. I'm not gonna say he's been stellar...in terms of Z, he's been about as average as he gets...and still second on the team in scoring...does he need to be better? Yes. No doubt. But man...this business with him being this floating, prancing bit of uselessness...Oh hey! And y'all complaining about Z being a PP merchant...I got a question for you: Who leads the Ranger forward in TOI for the PK? When you got that answer, can you tell me who has the best PK in the league? Asking for a friend.

mf: The Bro Bros have been split up. 3 games now I believe. Not much has changed.

Agree with Coach-Newf, Zbad plays to avoid injury, and that mentality rubs off on whoever his linemates are. "Split up the Bromance Brothers."

HOSPO: Here’s what bugs me. Last season, this team relied on tight play, which gave Igor a lot of chances to make saves. And when he sees the shot, he stops it. Offensively, they were a bit of a mess at times, especially considering their talent. But when they got offensive zone time, they were hard to stop from making cross-ice shots for goals. That’s how scoring works these days for every team in the league. Goalies can’t be beaten if they’re square to the shooter. But the real weapon was the power play, and that was lethal. This season, the defense has loosened up, and I’m not as worried about that because I’ve seen them play much better than they are. I’m thrilled with the bottom six. The third line is so dominant so far. They eat up time, spend shift after shift burying you in your own zone. That’s exactly what you need. We’re just waiting now for Zibanejad and his group to get going. And you’ll watch a good team that’s a bit erratic turn into an elite team that dominates. You’d be surprised with how much confidence matters right now. That’s why tonight is so crucial. A win on this one and likely this will feel like a different team on the other side. And that’s why I think Laviolette has been more about video and less about punishing right now.

andrei: I concur. Move the Z line down to 3rd line minutes (or) less and PP and PP time and increase the other 3 lines 5 on 5 time accordingly. I also like the idea of switching Z and Lafr on the PP units.

rf4L, fair point. But if ZShit is glorified "checking" line center and primary PK, then maybe his minutes should reflect that, no?

And if that's the case, they are risking wasting another season with this core if they continue indefinitely with the status quo (and it could end up costing L his job).

andrei: WIth all due respect I think you're disdain with Z is almost the polar opposite when it comes to his defenders. I think reality says it's somewhere in the middle which IMO means he really should be getting 3rd line centre minutes with PK duty. That means he should be removed from PP1, too. That said, given Lardiolette's affinity for his veterans, neither adjustment is going to happen any time soon, if they happen at all. TBH I sorta get it - this is a guy Drury signed to a lucrative deal and until relatively recently, he did produce offensively. It will be interesting to see just how patient Drury and Lardiolette remain if what we're seeing now (basically for almost a year) is who Z is. And if that's the case, they are risking wasting another season with this core.

The thing that bugs me is that same standards that folks apply to other players, they don't seem to apply to ZShit. If his name was not Zibanejad and he was not making $8.5 mil and he was a 25 year old named John Smith, and he was not on the 1st PP unit with Fox, Panerin and Kreider, John Smith would be on waivers going to Hartford. That's how bad his play have being. Simply terrible on 5v5. But yes, he is on 1st PP, Hooray!! In reality, Rangers 1st PP is trending average, and in shape or form, ZShit should be on it and it would serve Rangers better now and long term, if Lafr was on it. That's a fact. Let's not forget, that one of hsi two goals was EN. Even strength, ZShit is currently on track for about 10 goals this season, if that. About the same number he scored last season. But no, let's not worry about that. Cause we all know that in the Playoffs, scoring on 5v5 don't matter.

LINDGREN was out with a maintenance day, so expect him to be in tonight and Mancini likely to be sitting.

So are the Jets ready for a slump? They certainly cannot keep their current pace up. Or will the Rangers continue to play as they have been lately, thereby gifting the Jets another win. I assume Hellybuck will be in net, meaning weakass goals will be at a minimum.

I'm not sure I agree fully that Zbad plays with a lack of intensity,I believe (and I've said it before on here ) that he plays not to get hurt or injured and that's probably even worse. That is no way to play Hockey,especially in the PO's.

Nobody has really played well or coached well in 5 games, that they are 3-2 is a testament to the crap schedule, the goaltending, and the high end skill that can be opportunistic in regular season games but not the POs..And ZFLOAT actually had 2 good shifts at ES the other night (making that 5 for the season) and 1 good pass! Hooray!....Kid line got a little better as the game wore on, hope they have refound their mojo becasue they are and will be the teams best ES line agaisnt many teams....well, untill Big Country Zbads them again..Tomorrow night should be fun...

E. Z stopped scoring 5 on 5 last Christmas. We're approaching in other words a year for this issue. What will it take for management to realize this is who he is now??

I have been saying for quite awhile. ZBAD is a very good low intensity player. Perimeter player. Playoffs take a special dedication and commitment they not all players share

Something I’ve observed. Zibanejad is behind the play too often. This is a real aberration considering his on-ice IQ. IQ doesn’t leave. But an injury or something physical causes that. They’ve all played a lot of hockey in the last 2-years. I know with Zibanejad the streaky scoring is a thing. I fully expect that at some point his shot will heat up but right now? He’s not who we’ve come to expect.

td: Thats a very good point that I had not considered. These top end guys get going when they can get a rhythm going. And 3 days off between games doesn't really give you that. It is discussed int he post-season all the time, you want to sweep a team, but then worry that rust will build while waiting. The players lose that momentum in their game and have to find a way to get it back quickly. Well, I imagine it happens easier int he regular season, there is less pressure, you can lose 4 games in a row, the season isn't over, and still show up the next game and start a 10-game winning streak, so there is likely more drop off on days off. Then they come back to work and have to find that level all over again. BUt if that IS the case, we will see soon. Today is a game, then just one night off then another game , then 2 days off...that starts a road trip 4 games, every other night out west, then the every other night doesn't stop until the end of the month wich is back to back nights then one night off and a game, then finally 3 days of rest. So 9 games between the 17th and the 2nd of December, that is 16 days.

Torta is an asshole, players made fun of him..please torts yuk..look we will win our fair share of games and .make the playoffs but as constructed we aren't winning a cup

https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/rangers-defenseman-ben-harpur-faces-major-suspension-for-intentionally-charging-opposing-goaltender

Some things to keep in mind: The Canucks, Canes, Stars and Rangers are the only four teams with fewer than 14 games. The Rangers have played only FIVE games over the past 14 days. That's two games a week, basically. And while a rested team is good...that's kinda ridiculous, after starting the season with eigth in 18 days. So some of the issues the top-flight guys are experiencing could very well be that it's tough to have three and four days off between games.

Interesting....... Vince Z. Mercogliano @vzmercogliano .... D pairs to start practice are:... Mancini - Fox.... Miller - Trouba.... Jones - Schneider.... Looks like no changes, with Mancini placeholding for Lindgren #NYR

and.... PP continued: Both PP Units governed by the Clock! Hear that NYR Coaches & Brass? You answer to the Clock, an inanimate object! Comprende' NYR Coaches? Each PP Unit gets 60 Seconds with a maximum of 65 Seconds which includes to Time to complete the Line Change. NOT 65 seconds and then change the Unit/Lines.. By doing this and monitoring the Forward's TOI as suggested in my last post we instill "an" urgency into the team's mentality which currently doesn't exist. NYR Coaches & Brass & beat-writiers; "prove me wrong!" This team's urgency level is too sporadic. This team is NOT in Tortorella Shape, and say what you want about Torts, he called a spade, a spade. jmnsho snatcherally :->)

Seems to me we're not in a "trading phase" at this point in the season, nor in this part of the re-build-re-tool-re-whatever you want to call it since the "letter" went out... We're in an adjustment phase. Last season most here were in agreement that the team needed a 1) Center (because Chytle's health was a big ol' question mark) 2) a top 6 forward (specifically on the Kreider/Zbad line) 3) a LHSD (because Robertson was still a possible maybe to crack the lineup, as was Jones, and Mancini was an undiscovered) and 4) 4th line C Carrick was basically unfamiliar to many here and how & what his addition & contribution would bring. -- Well, Chytil's Noggin is holding up, Top 9 Smitty & bottom line Carrick were brought in, and the players and coaches all need time. I'm not sure that this team started early enough over the summer to get into "Tortorella Shape" to start the preseason, (I'm guessing that they did NOT) and that is on the leadership of the roster IMO. But as a reality check, making trades along the lines being discussed is more in line with bringing in the wrecking ball at a time we should be tunig-up. This is why I keep harping on switching up the lines.... Chytils good health, the additions of Smitty & Carrick, the improvement of Laffy, Cuylle, Kakko, & Jones, the emergence of "rookies" Edstrom & Mancini, all on top of the fact that we are a relatively young squad considered a threat to go deep, because thats what we are, requires a bit more patience and careful attention to "fine-tuning" and not wrecking ball... Signing Carrick & Smitty were the big moves in preparation for the upcoming (THIS) season. Promoting 2 rookies on top of a young evolving roster is/was a big deal too..... The risk/reward of trading a Zbad-Kreider-Trouba-Kakko now doesn't make sense. It's early enough in the season to tinker with the lines, with time enough to default back to the currently familiar line combinations...... I'll refine my broken-record suggestions for the Top-9 forwards governed by none of the top 3 lines can have all 3 be LHS or RHS, AND, Zibanejad and Kreider MUST NOT be on the same line because that non-combative-glue must be dissolved... (Let's not get into a play on words about what is, and what is not combative. I'm talking Playoff version of aggression, nasty junk-yard dog reputation that opponents know when the NYR'S are on their schedule ... --- PANARIN/CHYTIL/?WING? --- ZBAD/KAKKO/?WING? or CUYLLE/ZBAD/?WING? --- KREIDER/TROCHECK/?WING? --- So from this type of platform, the coaches can then look at the various combinations by potentially moving the following: Laffy, Smitty, Cuylle, Kakko to complete each line.... The forwards must simultaneously focus on Team Defense or we're not going Deep, (2 GA's p/g or fewer)and the transition game be it offense to defense OR defense onto offense, we must be among the best (fastest) transition teams in the league. I think that upping the defensive consciousness of the forwards will help sort out the defensive pairings. All these smaller adjustments go a long way with where we are in the rebuild / journey to win the Cup "this season." Break up the Bromo's, keep the Top 3 lines at a 2:1 ratio LHS/RHS -- Create 2 PP Units while maintaining a 3:2 Ratio of LHS/RHS... Next Clock-TOI Management.... Hey Coaches, it's time to answer to the Clock: 4th Line: Starts with a minimum of 11 minutes each player.. Two of the 3 Top 3 lines get 16 minutes TOI. The Remaining 3 players get a Maximum of 17 minutes TOI. I don't care if we lose a contest, the Team must be trained to win the game rolling 4 lines with strict adherence to dolling out the minutes in accordance with The Clock... ""Get the job done with the minutes your being allocated and stop shortening the bench."" end of rant for now, all just my opinions, usually from a mechanical perspective... Any WSP fans? :-) (It makes sense to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_kujx1LcJQ )

RF4L.... I am not worried about Zibanejad, at least not yet. He is usually pretty consistent and it currently along the same path as in previous years. Now, if he get's to a month where he is normally hot and then this season he is not, I think that would be the first real worrisome sign ....TROCHECK.... Looking at his career, it's not really fair to expect him to put up the same numbers as last season. That was the anomaly. Right now he is on pace for 56-57 points which is pretty much his career numbers. If he get's hot, who knows where he ends up?

Rhet. I started my concern about Trocheck 2 weeks ago. Another over 30 player with term and $$ left on his deal. Let's hope it's a temporary dip vs the start of an age induced decline. If not the Rangers are screwed - your top 2 offensive centres on the decline due to age? Yikes. 90 and counting...

FOX low key had his best game of the season against DETROIT. While he still is not yet been his dominating self that I am waiting to see, he pretty much did everything right on Saturday. It was refreshing. Now, let's see him do it two in a row :)

Going under the radar has been TROCHECK. Besides the 5 Turnovers he had in the 2nd period the other night, he has two points in his last 8 games(1 on the PP). Five of those games were played with Panarin. I am sure TRO will snap out of it soon. I like the chemistry between him and SMITH.... In comparison: Zibanejad has 6 points in his last 8 games. He is pretty much on pace where he normally is at this time of the. year(even with his annual slow start).

Yep it's a long season folks are correct let'not jump overboard yet let's wait lololol.

Quite frankly, the two best lines the Rangers have had all season...consistently...game in and game out...has been KAKKO-CHYTIL-CUYLLE and EDSTROM-CARRICK-VESEY/BRODZINSKI. And the best pairing? MANCINI/JONES-SCHNEIDER. Those are eight players who are firing and really looking like they belong. Top lines will come along in due time. My only concern is that the really should have someone who is a banger in place of SMITTY Jr...but that said? He's played fairly well for this team and has been a significant upgrade on WHEELER. In short, when it's January and if we're still seeing the first two lines spin their wheels and shot attempts against into the 60s? That's when you raise the alarm. The key here is when that offense starts to pop? It'll really put some teams back on their heels.

Let me know when the Nyr play team defense or the coach responsible for it gets canned.

And a close second is the hyperbole on ZIBANEJAD. Is he off to a great start? No. But c'mon. Acting like the guy is a floating corpse?! Seriously. Get a grip. If the Rangers wanted to move Z...newsflash: They don't...they'd have plenty of suitors and could move him with minimal difficulty. They might not get much good back in return...but this is the same shit that was being mouthed about TROUBA at the end of last season, albeit not here, but in the Nittwittosphere on X...Same vain. Step 1. Fan identifies player he/she doesn't like. Step 2. Prattle on and on about how they are 'the worst player in the NHL.' Step 3. Go on post spree about how the Rangers will need to trade XYX prized possession just to get rid of the contract and heavily lament...Like seriously. You want to complain about how bad Z is...well, the guy still as 11 points in 13 games. Those aren't all secondary assists. And while we're at it...While it's not lost on me that the Rangers really need to score at 5-on-5...points are points are points. And if Z is scoring on the PP? Guess what. I don't care...all that said? He is slumping. And it'll take him improving to get this team where it needs to be. It'll happen. And the other thing I can guarantee? There isn't a second of this season or last off season where the thought even dawned on crossing DRURY's mind about trading him.

You have to give the team at least a 1/3rd of the season before you make any deals. You have to find out how Smith/Carrick fit into the lineup and give Jones the time he needs to develop. He's playing really well right now. We also need to see how CUYLLE progresses. If he continues at his current pace, he could be an answer in the top six down the road. The dude could be a Tkachuk LITE.

You'd have to be a fool to look at the Rangers right now and not think there were/are some issues with them as constructed...but seriously...'deckchairs on the Titanic' at 9-3-1? Fourth in the Metro, three points out of first with FIVE games in hand...13 games into the season?! FFS, get a grip...if you can seriously think the ship is going down under those circumstances, then you need some fucking lithium.

Kreidy will stay, but will cry when ZBAD goes if and when..ZBAD is one of the best we have had but he is missing key ingredients. No intensity ever.

Andrei. Trouba leadership AINT the problem. ZBAD probably, kreider , probably..trouba should be third pairing no idea what happened with that..maybe dolan said oh no your not for 8 million. How many people leave here and do fine or better, hmmmmmm what's his name a Dan from Carolina names Brady or rosolovich who sucked is now a star . Maybe it's New York itself. Only messier was able to handle the pressure. Heck jagr didn't want the Captaincy, let's get Kelly kisio back. It's not trouba he is th best captain we have had in maybe 10 years or more.

Trouba will be gone for sure with the expansion of his team list. Final nail in his coffin was the Laffy contract and the emergence of Mancini. He started out okay this year. But everyone struggling right now! Kreider I don’t see bring moved (nor should he be). 6.5 (not 7!) for two more years after this is a bargain.

Andrei- I agree Rangers won’t trade Miller. He’ll get better. He’s driving me nuts right now, but I chalk it up to growing pains. As for Z- I don’t think his situation can be compared to Goodrow. Yeah, they found a waiver loophole but that goody had three years at 3.6. Z has 6 more years at 8.5. If you think he sucks, I doubt other teams want that kind of cap hit for that term. No one is picking him off of waivers. If you want him gone we are getting back a worse contract. Of all the contracts his is the one I see least able to move. Unfortunately you’ve got 6 more years to complain about him unless he gets injured or develops a skin condition!

Andrei. Yes. I get it. I just don't see that happening. That said I don't see my scenario happening either. Drury doesn't have the wherewithal to do something like that.

rf4l, let's just say that Rangers are not planning to trade Miller, like at all. Not now, not over the summer. If anything, Miller needs a study partner. BTW, it is not what i said, i said that big trades are for the offseason. I see no reason on why Drury can't explore trades for ZShit and or Kreider after season is over. My bet that Trouba will be gone as well. To me, trading ZShit should be the priority, if he continues playing like he has. Sure, NT is on a way, but as we saw with Goodrow, there are ways around it. You take Trouba, and ZShit off this team is a good start to fix broken leadership with this team. Let's see if any kid is ready to step in at the end of th season. That might go a long way, to see what compliment players are needed.

Andrei. So if you're correct nothing for at least the next 2 years due to the nmc contracts of Z P and T. Start with Miller. Add KK if needed. What if those 2 fetched Byfield and Turcotte??

Laffy also broke out..this is the time to have a good slump especially when your 9-3 . When we play a good team either we will match the h intensity or get creamed

Panarin, power play and goaltending has kept this team together.trochek had a great year last year with Panarin. Teams now hit pressure the rangers that's all folks.

RF: Step one first, rework the lines like I suggested. With this, we can move a few of the wings up, down, sideways. Just keep the Bromo's on separate lines, and make sure there is a 2:1 Ratio of LHS/RHS... As for the Defense, barring injury, we currently have 2 looks; 1 with Jones in the lineup and 1 one without Jones in the lineup. IF Jones is "not in the lineup" we're dressing 4RHSD & 2 LHSD, (not so terrible). When will the defensive pairings gain traction and consistency? I have no idea.... I've been following the Wall and the team from a distance, just doesn't feel like the time for a trade, at least not with the forwards, perhaps on the Defense. jmnsho naturally :-)

rf4l, sure. Great idea to make the team play more physical. I'm all for it? How exactly are you expecting Drury to do it with this team during the current season? Can he trade ZShit and Kreider? Can he trade Panarin? No. There goes two lines. Sure let's trade players from the 2nd line. Kappo and Chytil can be replaced and more physical players can be brough in. Will that change how the team plays? No? Sure, Feeses and Carick can be traded as well. Replaced with whom? Again, we can replace chairs on Titanic, but will this solve the issue? Fox is not the same since last spring. ZShit is declining with each game and his offence is gone even strength, Kreider is zero even strength, Lafr looks lost, Trouchek have not looked right all season. Panerin the only one, once again, who consistently drives the offence and puts point on the board. That's your core. That's where the main problems with this team are. Even Chytil is struggling to find the net, thanks to Lavi's brilliant line shifting. Now it's all on Lavi. No one else is coming to the rescue. Big trades are for the offseason. Drury did his job. On paper, this team is a top 2 team in NHL. Rest is on the coach and his "ALL Star" coaching staff. Let's see. To me, question is at what point will Drury start looking at the Lavi, if team does not improve defensively. Can't replace 20 players...

I'd like to see a trade of significance. I think a shakeup is needed. Yeah I realize the record is solid and it's early and they've been to the final 4 2 out of the last 3 years. However what ended up being their downfall in both years is what continues to plague this team all too often including this season so far: Not enough physicality, too much east/west hockey, minimal sustained forechecking, and frequent defensive breakdowns all of which on the scoreboard get disguised by superior goaltending. As the POs go deeper the latter advantage gets negated to the point where the Rangers get bounced. So far this year I see zero reason to anticipate anything different come PO time. Tinkering around the edges hasn't worked the past 3 years-why would that change this time around? Put in your big boy pants Drury and make a move(s) to change some of this up.

IMO- Hold the top 9 accountable by reworking all the lines. Cuylle/Zbad/Kakko ... Krieder/Trochek/Smith - Panarin/CHYTIL/Laffy .... We can shift some of the Wings but keep Zbad and Krieder on different lines... Jmon

Love the idea of Cole SILLINGER. Not sure if the Jackets would entertain moving him, but that's EXACTLY the type of deal they should be looking at...And I've said KURALY for YEARS. Ranger fans would positively love him...And yeah, DELLANDRA would be another great one...I hear Hospo's point and kind of agree...but what you COULD do is move EDSTROM up and free up his spot...I actually have taken a greater shine to SMITTY Jr. and wouldn't really advocate too strongly to move him form where he's at...but man, it would be nice to have some size and muscle in the top six.

A bottom six banger type won't make this team all that much harder to play against..What is needed to balance the mostly perimiter play some of our guys like to play is a guy with attitude and some toughness on the Top six..Cuylle is the only internal option which would then mean a bottom six guy was/is likely needed

I’ll add to the list . KURALY and SILLINGER from CBJ. DELLANDEA and KOSTIN in SJS. SCHEN, LAUZON and C. SMITH NASHVILLE. Team needs to be much harder to play against.

Sniffing around for some guys that might make sense here...wonder if the Rangers could somehow pry Ross COLTON away from the Avalanche. He's out for another month, but man, would he be a perfect add to this team, as opposed to the usual UFA rental...Just a hard-nosed center who can play wing and score goals. Has a couple cups with Tampa...probably would cost a prospect like OTHMANN at a minimum...Joe VELENO over in Detroit is another guy I'd love to rescue from what has become a trash heap of an organization. RFA at the end of the season...Michael RASSMUSEN would check some boxes as well...Doubt Seattle would be jazzed to move Tye KARTYE, but he'd be a good bottom six guy as well...My usual pitch too for Luke KUNIN on San Jose...with the Predators basically imploding, Juuso PARSSINEN would be on my list...

Imam going to call this season the hangover from last season . Hopefully by whenever they awaken. Need to give the fourth line more minutes. No less than 15 minutes.

Maybe Kane was at the end of his shift , there is no other reason..Kane Is definitely faster heck I am faster lolol but I like trouba just not at 8 million. 5.5 mill I think or 6 mill tops.

Rangers need to be more intimidating on defense other teams doing whatever they want offensively. Rangers need to hit a few guys into the second row and that will slow down our opponents

9-3 in spite of playing like crap it's all goaltending right now is saving us. And yes Igor is greedy.quocl was amazing Igor like..heck dump Igor play quickie, build a team

Quick complimentary of his teammates….Takes being gracious to a whole new level….LOL….17 straight years with at least one shutout for Quick….

Defense and O zone pressure were awful we faced an AhL goalie . Saw lavy shaking his head. Are they listening to him anymore, I wonder.

What a strange game….Score as deceiving as it can be…Michelletti made a valid point at the end…A minute left up 4-0 and you give up an odd man rush with forwards trapped in offensive zone….How does that happen…After all the saves Quick made?….

If we could somehow delete the 2nd period, it was actually a pretty good game :)

Despite the 4-0, which i will take..not a very good game by the Rangers except on the scoreboard..but there was improvement both offensively and defensively in the 3rd..so hope they can build on that and be ready for a team like the Jets..The Wings are as milk toast,soft and bland as they come...actually play like the Rangers without the highend skill, special teams and goaltending

Phil Housley? How could be possibly be in the NHL HOF? His is only a 5'10" defenseman. That's just crazy.

PJ: I’m with you man. How has the issue of the wide open trailers not been fixed yet? It seems like this has been happening all season and is getting worse. Is the system wrong or is it execution? WTF!

PJ - at ES they are a mess..the top lines continue to blow...even the kid line is a chore to watch right now ..all feeling the after effects of Laviolettes brillance..and the 4th line sub standard right now..They need to dress Brodz

How many times do you allow the guy trailing the play to have a high quality chance….Laviolette has this team running into each other….Bad has gone to worse….

Same old. Same old. No worries tho. It's early and PO positions aren't determined in November. And all that.

Totally outworked shift after shift .. team looks completely disorganized and lost ...

VCP Bullshit..You're the best, you get paid the best..You have a ife to live and it's a business..but he's already a great Ranger and great teammate Pay the kid..cut elsewhere

Hopso I disagree. You want to win a cup or just get rich. Greedy igor ..let's see what greedy igor signs for. Laffy wasn't greedy.

Lack of effort defensively game after game is mind boggling.. and why Miller has been sat down is a mystery

VCP - IGOR is far from greedy and deserves every cent he gets..want to get mad at somebody, get mad at management for the Cap situation...

Hospo.........nice to see someone else think that way about Zegras....stay away ....far away ..PLEASE (he is exactly the exact opposite type of player we need here on this team.)

Vcp. Igor's contract is beyond reasonable. In other words he's got zero to do with the current state of the Rangers.

Looks like lots of other Ranger periods. Too many giveaways and opposing team had more high scoring opportunities.

Not horrible by the Rangers but still typical non physical boring Ranger-Wing game...KId Line a shell of how they started the first 10 games before being Zbaded by Big Country..Hope they can refind their Mojo

Hospo. Gotta do something about that 2some. Trouba erratic and that makes Miller's cluelessness positionally worse. I don't understand how I can see it but the coaches can't.

Typical ho hum boring Ranger style against the Red winfs..Wings announcers were saying how this is a good change from the grinding game they had to play last night (TOR, I think)

I see the server bullshit hasn't been resolved. Almost as frustrating as Lardiolette's roster decisions!

Lindgren is really the ultimate ranger. Too bad is body can't keep up with his tremendous heart and soul

RF4L - Agree on a lot of things..Rangers-Wings games are usually non-physical snore fest ZBAD type of games....and that this is Lindgren's last year as a Ranger..I love the Black Knight but signing him long term is too big of a risk..and that sitting MNCINI or JONES for too many games in a row is irresponsble young player management..oh..and SCREW ZEGRAS and stay as far away as possible from that spoilied USNDP prick

Zegras talk arising again - he's been pushed to the wing and told the press that 'he hates the wing'. Lol.

Ranger47. Either/or Hartford isn't a billion miles away and the Rangers games have been spread out - he could have played Wednesday yesterday and tomorrow for the Pack and then be recalled Monday if needed. Just dumb.

I wonder if Mancini is being pressboxed because they are wither showcasing Jones for a trade to fix their other problems or trying to decide what they have in Jones in order to determine whether to keep Jones and then send Mancini down or not.

RF4L - agreed. The LINDGREN situation has not changed for years. What kills it is that DRURY had all kindsa balls and guts to trade BUCH for beans. But he holds on to a guy whose biggest claim to fame is that he bleeds a lot. I really get the feeling DRURY was wishing for a cup at some point the past few years, just so that he had the capital make these “tough” decisions. IMO, these calls aren’t really all that tough, just prudent. A real manager and leader would make these decisions every day of the week. DRURY manages by hope and a prayer. Stupid. These guys are assets. For the love of god, use them as such.

I'm starting to hear/read stuff about the Rangers moving on from Lindgren. We'll duh but that should have happened last summer if not before. Of course when I mused about it I was immediately branded as a negative Nellie and non-fan. I get the same reaction when I muse about trading Miller. We'll guess what? Lindgren likely won't be Rangers next year for cap reasons but what would he fetch now vs 4 months ago or even 16. Much less. My point? Trade from a position of strength and sometimes you have to strike when the iron is hot plus be forward thinking. That however takes guts something I've yet to see from this GM.

Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr.... Jonathan Quick in goal tonight for #NYR vs. Detroit, per Peter Laviolette.

Line Bingo time: Panarin/Chytil/Laf -- Kreider/Trocheck/Smith -- Cuylle/Zibanejad/KaKKo -- Edstrom/Carrick/Vesey ---- (it makes sense to me)

Igor the greed, on the first day of Christmas my true love have to me , no Stanley cup for us, but a rich rich contract to ME.

TD. And an assist. And BMB 2nd goal in 2 nights and an assist. BB with his 6th. 6b3 loss tho. Pack struggling on the road.

Igor the greed instead of the king. Highly disappointed. I will boo him when I go.

Dylan ROOBROECK with his fourth goal in five games...6'7, 210-pound natural center?! Folks. We may have something here.

TDCHI - Let's see..No..we are not waiting/wanting to see ZMOPE suck, we are watching him suck (relatively) and want better..that's all....Is KREIDER a physical player? No, except for the odd night but most have zero problem with him..ditto with Panarina.....And like I said weeks ago, ZBAD needs to watch how the youngster CHYTL is playing (or was until Laviolette screwed with things), not physically aggressive but always engaged and in the middle of things...Nothing wrong with a 31 year old starting the downside of his career to add ingredients to his game..Might help the team....As for the Panthers, they beat the Rangers fair and square..all that matters to me and I already addressed the the BARKOV issue...

Florida didn't circumvent as much as they just got a pass on all the basic rules governing hockey in the NHL. They also got gifted A LOT of their cup team from idiot GMs...the TKACHUK deal was hilarious. The BENNETT deal made the TKACHUK deal look like peanuts. MONTOUR resulted from the first time they bent Kevyn Adams over the bar and rammed him up the shitchute. And as if that tryst wasn't enough, the doubled back three months later to fuck him even harder with REINHART...FORSLING was on the fucking waiver wire FFS. And VERHAEGHE was an ECHL castoff from Toronto that Tampa let walk for $1 million. And then MAURICE came courtesy of a Winnipeg Jets team that decided to make a change for change's sake...So yeah...Bill ZITO and the collective stupidity of five or six other really bad GMs are all that gave Florida the cup once you cut away the terrible officiating.

Got to thinking about what happens with this team at the deadline...rolling through teams that will probably be sellers and the guys who will be on the market...and the one name that I just can't seem to get away from...the guy I have a feeling will be a Ranger by the spring? Yanni GOURDE. I have a distinct feeling we'll see a prospect headed their way...maybe even a roster player...to get him in Ranger blue. Just a hunch.

When we have 3 cups in 100 years of course we will complain. Still better than being a leafs fan I will say it again!!!!! Best way to win is circumvent the cap aka , Vegas, Tampa , Florida. LTIR . Oh and low taxes . But crappy schools

ColoradoMark - Spot on, with all those posts...I'd rather these pains now than in April. In fact, that was a complaint I had last season was that LAV just kinda did the same thing right through to the end...and on Z...I think I saw that poll somewhere. Grass is always greener on the other side...but Z is and always has been very underrated by Ranger fans. Especially here. Guy is the best center we've had since MESSIER, bar none...and folks are just waiting for him to suck...actually, scratch that...they're not even waiting! You could put BARKOV in blue and fans would still get on him here as a prancing Euro...and SCHEIFFLE? Great example. Fans would look at his size, wonder why he's not plastering guys and how come he doesn't have 40 points in the first 10 games of the season.

Coloradomark but c'mon it's fun and it's true .lololol. we will make the playoffs but who cares ZBAD and company aren't going to the hard area of the ice to do the needffull. As constructed we aren't cup bound.

CM - I don't know, what are fans supposed to say during and after a debacle like that? Sit their in silence or mumble something "Oh, they tried (well, they didn't), you can't win every game, and the next game will be better?"...I guess it's fine if some want to take the college professor approach and react in a more rational and probabilistic fashion..but also fine to take a fan's heart on their sleeve what I am seeing now approach...Whatever floats one's boat!........However, we do agree that Laviolette indeed needs to try anything to get his players going (which he is failing at)..We just differ on the merits of handling ZFLOAT with kid gloves (hasn't worked yet)compared to giving the moop a swift kick in the ass with reduced time an/or benching (might work, might not)..I don't know about SCHIEFLEE but the thing is ZBAD doesn't have to be physically aggressive and hit but as player (he never will) but he does need to me more engaged and competitive physically and be in the play (which he has at times in the past)...like non hitters such as BARKOV and KOPITAR, to name a few..

The only guys I thought played well the other night: CUYLLE, JONES, SCHNEIDER. I guess QUICK in the third, but he got lucky with the off-sides call. 4th line had some good shifts but also made some stupid mistakes. KAKKO- LAFF- CHYTIL each had at least one boneheaded play and didn't inspire much. The top lines were a disaster all around. I know that a lot of people want Lavi to punish people by benching, but I disagree. He needs to do whatever he can to try and get guys like Z going and he needs to do it now. Benching might "send a message" but then you have one less game for the player to play through the issues. It's a long season. I trust Lavi to make the right decisions. Maybe they've already tuned him out in year 2. I doubt that but I have to admit it is possible. But this team has enough weapons and an incredible goaltending tandem. They will make the playoffs and be a threat. These guys don't suddenly forget how to play hockey, even if it seems that way. Z, FOX, MILLER, LAFF, TROCHECK, TROUBA, LINDGREN all are struggling to find their games. I predict it will be a slow recovery but several will start to play the way they can and it will catch on.

VCP- I think we need to work as a team here and not make political comments. I know you are just throwing a statement here and there but it will piss off a good portion of the wall and it won;'t take much for someone to counter and then it goes back and forth and everything degrades to crap!

I saw an interesting article from a Winnipeg Jets fan: they were talking about Zibanajad and Scheifle. It think a lot on here would think Scheiffle would be an idea guy to have instead of Zibanajad. However the Jets fan poll showed 85% would rather have Z and his contract than Scheiffle. No way I would have thought that. I think it is a grass is greener thing. We watch and nitpick more than a casual fan or a fan of another team. We can complain about Z and be completely in the right to do so, but that doesn't mean others looking from a different perspective might not think our problems are better than their problems!

RHET- LOL, I was scrolling the posts and was going to say something similar. It's amazing how fans can get so upset after a little bit of adversity. This is when you want to try new combinations, work on things, figure out who needs to improve their game. But to think that these guys could play 82 games perfectly? And there are a lot of fans (not necessarily here) who are in the regular season doesn't matter camp - dismissing wins and guys who score (Bread) saying "Let's see it in the playoffs" but then ripping the team for not winning a game they should usually win.

Now WTF is wrong with NJ? :->) Now PITT, with their very questionable owner's behavior, "rip away, Dixieland!" ha ha ha ha ha

KIS - We agree also on ZABD..I have also called FOXY out this season ...In the past he has always been the team's smartest D-man to make up for his lack of size/strength and speed..This year has been another story..bad decision making and soft uninvolved play on D with substandard (for him) play on Offense...Hopefully, it's just coming back from his injury still,....For D pairs, I still think the Way to go is Lindgren-Fox; Miller-Schneider and Troubs-Kid until we bring a vet in by the deadline

TDCHI - I think we agree on a lot of that...but also feel that ZBAD has been the worst of the forwards in both production and type of play/effort (we can agree to disagree on that!) .... what burned me was Laviolette's dismantling of the three man line that was flying every shift and were playing close to the best in the NHL to stir his stuck in the shit vets and, by doing it, killing the one thing that was really going and then starting pre-season hockey all over for the entire team............All that said, there is no reason the other six VET forwards shouldn't regroup no matter the combos..If they don't, something is seriously wrong with individuals or the team-coach chemistry... (which wasn't a problem last year)

Hospo - But that's kinda my point: He's hardly alone. SMITTY Jr. is the only guy flying out there...and TROCHECK gets some loser points for throwing the body, but it's been ineffective and hasn't really done much for his line. The top six looks like they forgot how to play. But I agree with the sentiment that it's early. Really early. Talking about wildcard spots and whatnot is over-the-top dooming and glooming.

Fox is another. He always gets a pass. He is supposed to be Norris trophy caliber. He is soft and slow since halfway through last season.

Hospo,zbad wouldn't be the whipping boy if he produced. People would love hm. He flat out floats around the perimeter. He is the teams Identity. Big Country needs to take him off the PP unit. Keep him on the Pk and give him the 5 on 5 minutes but not as many. either he will put up or keep sittingg his ass

The kid line was a force to begin the season--keep it.....PANARINA-TRO-LAFFY was a force last year and will be again this year...Keep it,,...Big COuntry needs to be working hard to get the best out of DJ-ZBAD-Kreids-SMith (mainly ZBAD),...Let their play decide if, by ice time, they are a co 2nd line or a 3rd line with the least ES ice but plenty on Special teams....Pretty simple to me

TDCHI - I expect better too but we shall see..It's hard not to use ZBAD as the whipping boy given his apathetic, cruising, avoiding contact, ES perimiter style of play this season

Just to reiterate that the problem with Mika Zibanejad is SOLELY his play and production 5v5. He's played 2 games now with the best wingers this team has, a 120-point guy and a guy who ranks 7th in 5v5 scoring since March 1st. And not only is Zibanejad scoreless 5v5, so are Panarin and Lafrenière when they're on the ice together.

Why punish the kids I don't get it I would give them all the ice time.well we won't have any money left after greedy igor..... greedy igor. No cup for Lundquist or Igor bank on it..

C'mon let's be happy . Our president can't say a paragraph without repeating the word big or beautiful at least a few hundred times. Oh and Mexico didn't pay lololol. That's all folks . It's a long season let's be positive.

Rangers winless, Islanders undefeated since the end of the world. As RF posted - 3 points behind without Barzal, Pelech and FA prize Anthony Duclair.

BTW it's nothing new for teams to overachieve in year 1 of Lardiolette and then start to decline in year 2.

12 games into the season, I think it's clear that we should get rid of EVERYONE. Early season loses are always indicative of what type of team you'll be in the postseason.... It was a good run. Maybe next year.

Hospo - Perfectly fine with Z being a whipping boy, as long as all those others join him. He's part of the problem, not THE problem. But again...this is all hyperbole considering how new the season is...I still believe what's going on internally has more to do with the coach expiramenting...at least I'm hoping...

RF4L - They were doing that on their own just fine before the line switch-up. That PANARIN line has been total trash for the past five games. LAF has been invisible since he signed his deal. And TROCHECK, while a Johnny Tryhard out there, isn't doing shit to help anyone. Just drilling people and taking himself out of position. NOBODY is going to the net. NOBODY is forechecking hard. PANARIN is holding onto the puck WAAAAAY to long...and like I said...LAF has vanished. So has KREIDER. But yeah, Z ruined Christmas and broke everyone's toys.

Zcrap is doing something no team has accomplished: Keep Panarin and Lafrenière off the scoresheet 5v5.

TDCHI - You and your collective generalizations are dangerous!!!, FFS, read what other people were writing....Nobody said ZBAD and MILLER were the only players that sucked...I thought the prevailing opinion was that from LAVIOLETTE on down, the entire team sucked (1 or 2 exceptions) and that they were a hot stinking mess..and people said as much...And.I say Laviolette on down becasue he's the Genius that threw the Goddawful lines together...Two lines that were just wandering, floating, skipping...Now, if you take umbrage with the collective that the new lines that sucked were catering to ZSLEEP and then people like me were using ZFLOAT as the whipping boy even though LAF/KAKKA/CHYTL/PANARIN/KREIDER were just as bad, well I can see that if not totally agree...The puck is in Laviolette's end to get this team back on track....Going back to the kid line is a start....Managing and holding the other forwards accountable is really what is needed...

FWIW, I fucking hate New Jersey almost as much as Florida. So there. Want to rake me over the coals for that too?

mf - My hatred for Florida is multifaceted. You just assumed it was for political reasons, which is a stupid fucking assumption.

PJ - Spot on, as we said last night, that is really the only real option the Rangers have....Thank God Fat Country put the kid line back together....Not so sure about the other two lines though...Should be an easy game agasint the physically weak Red WIngs tommorrow, so we shall see.

Put the lines back and limit the Z line significantly….Take Z off the PP completely….I would start by sitting both Z and Miller for a game…If Z throws a tantrum, tell him to waive his no move clause and do what you have to getting him out of here….I mean he is a liability at this point…His D play that I always pointed to is poor now…

TD: Re: 7:01am - Like you do with the unveiled sarcasm relating to the State known as Florida?

Yup, because LAF and PANARIN just rocked the house last night. FFS. If me...MYSELF. TDCHI. IF I am saying SMITTY Jr. was the best among those top six...you know shit is bad ALL around. But yeah. Go ahead and keep heaping all the blame on Z.

Oh, and again, I am utterly MYSTIFIED how during a performance like last night, the collective thinking is 'it's all Z, MILLER and TROUBA.' Like seriously people. WTF. SOOOOOOOOO many passengers last night. The bus was so filled with them that they were stacking them on the roof.

Well, the brilliant strategist that Lavi is, in todays practice, putts back Cuylle with Chytil and Kappo, but keeps on catering to ZCrap, as he is with Panerin and Lafr. Lavi single-handily figured a way to stop Rangers top line from last year. Nice job!! Meantime, i bet ZCrappo is still on PP1 unit.

I don't think the team is fucked by any stretch of the imagination. I also don't think Z is in some sort of death-spiral decline. Nor do I believe MILLER is suddenly going down the well into being a seventh defensemen. You proffer these points to any objective observer, and you'll get some questionable looks. But there IS something going on...a funk, so to speak...that is spinning through the whole team. The wakeup call should'a been against Washington. If not then, the largely listless game against Anaheim and limping by the hapless Isles...Well, now? That call is ringing loud and clear, and if this team doesn't come out blasting on Saturday...against a Wings team that will have come from playing Toronto tonight...well, that's when some personnel changes need to happen. And they probably should happen regardless. Quite frankly, I would push the top two lines down to the bottom. Let PANARIN-TROCHECK-LAF be the third line for a change. Let Z and co. be the fourth. Play CHYTIL and CARRICK as your top two. Fuck it. If you're THAT concerned about CARRICK, maybe bounce TROCHECK between VESEY and EDDIE. But I wouldn't. Send a message. Play 1-2-1-2-3-4-1-2 for the ENTIRE first period. Sit those top fuckers down and let them watch guys that are putting in effort get the minutes for a change. And on the PP1? KAKKO-CHYTIL-LAF-JONES-SMITTY Jr...1:30. Wouldn't let FOX or any of those other guys touch the ice until those five are tired. And if they lose 10-zip? Who gives a fuck. Tell those top guys that this loss is on them. Again. And until they pull their heads out of their asses, this is the format we're going with. Same on fucking D. SCHNEIDER-JONES would be my top pairing. FOX-LINDGREN second pairing. TROUBA-MILLER third, with them getting no more than 15 minutes. Don't like it? Well tell DRURY. He'll have you on a plane out of here.

Meanwhile Zcrap 1 goal and 2 points 5 on 5 this year picking right up where he left off last year. Just how long will Drury let this go on for? Z stopped producing 5 on 5 last January. It's approaching a year now. I realize that contract is ridiculous for a 3rd line centre but that's what Z is right now. Just man up and admit it as an organization and make the necessary adjustments for phuck's sake.

More vet loving shit: Lardiolette cut the icetime in the 3rd of Laf Chytil Cuylle and KK. Lololol.

Schneidw. Yep. Just like GG and DQ. So odd the consistency. Is it part of the BYR head coaching job description?

Painful, would have hated to been paying customer at MSG for that listless effort.. NHL season is way too long, these types of games will happen, but.... LAVs has to reward his 3rd/4th lines, his 2nd PP Unit, and backup goalie... LAVs lack of holding his star players accountable is the primary reason there was no hustle, hitting, or effort last night.. this has been building for weeks.

Don't look now but the Rangers are in the 1st wildcard spot 2 points up on Boston and 3 on the Islanders. Lolol.

Worse game of the year so far. Or was it the Cap game. Err wait. The BJ game? Something is seriously wrong here starting eith the MO which is get outplayed a lot but compensate via great goaltending. When the latter isn't there the points aren't either.

Here's a list of all the players who sucked last night: Everyone except Zac JONES. Full stop. He was literally the only guy skating with pep to his step. Maybe a small footnote for the fourth line. They played disjointed, and with almost zero fire...Really, what we saw last night was what the Rangers would look like with an average goaltender...more troubling, perhaps, was that the Sabres seemed to take a page out of the book of Florida and Washington, which was to skate hard and fast at them, and never look back. The Rangers simply don't have an answer to an aggressive forecheck, and I'm not sure they will without a roster change. Whatever LAVIOLETTE is doing with his forwards isn't working at all. Too much hanging and cherry picking. Not enough guys dropping back to help the defense muck out the puck...I get WHY they're doing that...it's a good plan...IN THEORY...use SHESTY for the breakout and keep your wings high...makes sense...sorta...until he's facing 40-plus shots a night and the Rangers are struggling to get any in high-danger areas...I'd say half the shots last night came from zero percentage areas of the ice. Guys crossing the blueline and blasting. They started going to the net later in the game, but man, it's too fucking late when you're down 5-zip...Y'all back on the MILLER-Z kick? You're totally ignoring some of the other real boners out there...LAFRENIERE took his piggybank and has decided to pack up for the season. He's been total shit since he signed that deal...TROCHECK...LOVE the heart...but ma' dude. You are our second-line center. You can't be drilling people all over the ice. You need to be driving the offense...Earth to Chris KREIDER? Anyone see him last night? PANARIN tried...but man, again...just lots of stickhandling...not a single point to it. CHYTIL's taking notes too, because he sure as shit hasn't been remotely effective. Like great. We get it Fil. You can motor with the puck. But shit, grab a linemate with you. Tell your mates to go to the net. This BS with carrying the puck in the zone by himself? Yeah, that's another concussion waiting to happen, bud. Anyway, time for a pep talk here. This is a pivotal moment of the season.

Hospo - No treatise needed for last night. It was a shitshow. One team came to play, and the other didn't. I will disagree on the 'outcoaching' so to speak. I have my criticisms of LAVIOLETTE...but fucking Herb BROOKS couldn't have gotten the Rangers going last night...they sucked from the start and never got better. RUFF, to his very limited credit, rolled four from the start, and his guys were skating hard.

Here's a WILD thought: Maybe we post about hockey on a hockey board and leave the Politics for Truth Social? I know. Cray cray.

Ny stranger I’ll give you one and move on . Joe Biden stole classified documents when he wasn’t president and they refused to prosecute him because he was too old and senile today. That’s a real felony.

Time for lardiolette to wear a helmet behind the bench to cover up his haircut and so he can continue to bang his head against the glass….. defense genius leads to offense….“I think this was a little bit different,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “I don’t think we gave up an onslaught, but I personally don’t like the effort that we had to attack the game offensively. “We needed to control the puck more; to generate more in the offensive zone; to be in the offensive zone more than we did; and to put their goalie under siege.”

The good news is it's a long season , however you should not get destroyed by barfalo period. There is something wrong on ranger land. Next coach is messier of this continues on . Who else is out there , no one. It's been a poor 3-4 games . Not time for panic yet but they were awful tonight.is there a flu bug going around the team ????

I think negative thoughts were allowed lololol yep they were pretty bad. Who could the next coach possibly be??? DUH it's the players, starting with ZBAD.

Miller and Trouba were horrendous tonight. You wouldn't know it by their ice, but they were just not good(Fox & Lindgren were not that much better). One of them should sit out the next game(it's not going to happen, but it should).

While I am ranting a bit dealing with the NOW, I still think this is a good team that can get straightened out if the coach holds players accountable and deploys them correctly which he is not close to on either..That said, even IF that is done, they are nowhere near built to overcome the FLA hump..So, yeah, the two keys are Laviolette and, later, Drury

OH..and here's the biggie..and I am sure TDCHI will write a magnus opus on it tomorrow..but...LINDY RUFF coached and is coching rings around LAVIOLETTE..These SABRES were ready to play, play hard, play structured and compete all over the ice..OTOH, Laviolette's Rangers have been a total shit show for 4 game and players, young nd old, are sinking to their lowest level....Way to go Fat Boy

RF4L - Why I thought LAFFY wasn't just invisible but benched..The ice time to ZVIRUS was inexplicable.......

The ice time that you mentioned is why laviolette only lasts a few years as a coach. Sorry, but it looked like a good higher last year and that’s it. You cannot keep benching your young guns who have more energy and are willing to do more than some of the so-called stars.

Third period ice time: Alexis Lafreniére: three shifts, 2:54 Filip Chytil: three shifts, 3:04 Will Cuylle: four shifts, 3:28 Kaapo Kakko: four shifts, 4:07 Chytil, Kakko, Lafrenière all sat the first 6:58 of the third.

What ZCLUELESS should have said was " “There’s no excuse for how I played today.”..but, of course, no..a winner or leader he is not..algthough his 2 hits in 12 games say otherwise

From Zcrap post-game: Mika Zibanejad: “There’s no excuse for what happened today.”

Hospo........I know , right ?.Like this seems to happen with each and every coach when it comes to Zbad ....does he take secret pics of coaches wives when he is not DJ ing or something ?.........I wonder what old Torts or Iron Mike would handle this ?

I still want a CUYLLE jersey though!!! before he gets traded for another finesse player!!..perhaps they should double shift the kid..him and TRo the best we had

Well ,on the fun side of hockey here on the Wall.he actually used TWO of the line suggestions I proposed after the 2nd ? Didn't amount to much but , I was secretly talking about "long term " . All we can do is hope ?

Amazing what the moping shit of ZBAD has done to the team..Not only does he still float and suck, he has infected the entire team!!! The way LAVIOLETTRE has handled him with kid gloves, the kids (Laffy-CHYTL-Kakka) were reduced to nothing by Laviolette and his lineup shennagins ..Not to mention zero from Kreider and SMith also.....None of the "big" players competing one iota..Yet, ZBAD 3rd in ice time with 18 minutes of Minus 2 futility.....Unfuckingbelievable

I’d say it’s time for a fire the coach chant but at this point it’s the core group and this is on the GM for not making the right changes. Signing these long-term contracts with no movement clauses was asinine. And then to top it off the coach plays the veterans only instead of letting the kids take the reins.

Scary part is Fox’s game has gone south. Ever since that leg injury last spring, he has not played at the elite level. It’s more than just speed and mobility, it’s mental mistakes. He looks average more often then not…

Lardiolette is old school just like GG. Good results year 1 but big drop off year 2 and in large part cuz of the deference to the veterans. With the Drury coaching hires given the influence of the veteran leadership core he went the obvious way.

Rangers should have been rested and anxious to get going in this game….They never showed up..Unacceptable…

Enough with ZBAD already..just crusiing and skating on the perimiter in a 6-1 game..But watch him get a garbage time assist and be lauded by Sam and Joe and Laviolette..So much of this game is on Laviolette..getting the lest out of his players with horrid deployment, accoutability and motivation

Btw, best defender tonight is Jones, but the answer is to scratch him. Just to think, Rangers had some pulse, got the PP. Coach with balls would go with the best five, but when ZShit in coaches eyes is one of the best five, you get expected results. But what do we know. Laci have coached for 20 years…

I thought one of Laviolette’s strengths was holding players accountable….He does it less than DQ….

Took two games and Bro’s are back together. Next game, scratch Feeses and Jones. That’s the answer. Rinse and repeat…

JFC - Yep, everything to get ZMOPE going..except the right thing..bench his fuckign ass for a game....Laffy, KAKKAO, and CHYTL reduced to nothing by LAVIOLETTE with all these ZBAD appeasing changes

Agree put the lines back and reduce Z line playing time dramatically…Get Mancini back in….He has a pulse….

Wow, somebody on Buffalo should have taken Carricks head off for taht..very Ranger like by them

So unbelievably pissed off at our coaching staff for not setting the tone. Why in the hell are they not holding players accountable?

Nice to see that ZShit not missing a second on the 1st PP unit.. Again, nothing to see, business as usual, expected results.

Good shift from the 4th line..I'll give them that...CUYLLE again and the 4th line..You other schmoes watching?

You could see this coming from the puck drop. These guys minds and legs were somewhere else from the start.imagine paying the big bucks for the family and having to endure a performance like this.

Obviously, Big Country feels othewiseand ramming ZFLOAT down our throats..and ZBADs game sunday was not great..assist on a PK, PP, and EN goal..

And we can talk about not playing defense well enough, etc but the entire lineup was shaken up to GET ZIBANEJAD GOING! So tired of catering to this guy!

Best offensive line in the NHL last season and they break it up because Zibanejad needs to be woken up! Sick of this shit! Ever since he had a kid, his head is in another world! And because Z is not as good at FOs as Trochek, Bread & Laf don’t get as much O zone possession from FO wins & can’t do set plays off of FOs! So we go from every year looking for a RW for him & Kreider to having Z wreck a great line. What else can we do for you Mika? Wake TF up!

KIS - I know, why I say just ply the kid line and the 4th line and tell the latter to stop prancing

It won't go over well here tonight, but this team, if used right and the players (i.e., ZMOPE, Brin Faart Miller) held accountable can still be quite.....but......Bog COuntry is screwing the pooch almost more than other player with the discombombulted disuntered shit he is getting from his roster for FOUR GAMES

Hospo you know just like i do. The mentality and makeup of thos team is not going to be to hit everything in sight. They dont do it. There are too many that just arent physical Fox miller bread zbad smh. Just horse shit

NEWFIE - And miss Edstrom's stickhandling? And Vesey? Wait, was he playing? Games like this the 4th line/3rd line should be played out the yin yang and hitting everything in sight..

Well... Totally expected. Problem started weeks ago, when this fucken team stopped playing defense. It will get worst before it will get better. Blame Igor, blame Miller, blame Drury. It is 1000% on this fucken coach who refuses to install a simple defensive system and force the team to play it. If solution to everything who plays forward on the 4th line, and who is the 6th d-man, then you know this team is fucked. Another brilliant game by ZShit. Nothing to see, just 6 more years left after this one.. Fuck, your game blows, maybe start with taking a body, throw a check, play defense. You are 6-2, 220 LB. Use your body!!! Zero physicality across 4 lines, zero defensive awareness by forwards, no back checking, no defensive system, excellent line combos. This is on the coach. Great job, Lavi...

I’m right there with you RF4L. I’d trade Z to Dallas for M.Bourque and a 1st. Throw in a B prospect from our end if needed. He’ll never become what I want or expected him to be.

Hey, now that Chytil appears healthy (knock on wood) why not try the old kid line of Chytil,laffy and kakko ? can't hurt. Maybe give Cuylle to Trocheck and Bread ? And I do like Hospo's idea of sitting Zbad for a game . Sends a massive message to the team. And for god's sake bring Rempe back up and play him .........I don't care who the other two stiffs are on that line but at least we get some BALLS back !

Honestly, the best the Rangers can do is Keep the kid line together..Keep Tro-Lff-PANARINA together as your top six and, whether you sit ZBAD or not, make sure that line knows they are the 3rd line and limit their ice time drastically until they proove otherwise

Been saying for like 2 years...trade Miller while he's still perceived as a top 2 dman.

I mentioned theo ther night how tough and physical the Sabres played against the SENS the other night while all the Rangers were playing PATTYCAKES with the ISLES....It's continued for both tonight...

Z shit misses his binky, I mean buddy/bromance. What a no show tonight. Why did he ever break up the lines to begin with? Just stupid coaching. Are the players already tuning out Lav? Terrible energy and absolute no show tonight. Enough stick checking and they need to be much more physical and take the body. The faster the coaching staff realizes Z is cooked and slots him appropriately, the better. We sure could use a top 6 young center not named Chytil. Oh wait, we don’t have one.

And, I'm not fooling round, I bench ZBAD next gqme and put BRODZ in any D-mn you want other then JONES and put MANCINI in....Hey TROUBS, THROW YOUR FUCKING ELEMENT..but miss the boards and catch Laviolette right in the kisser....JOE - A big hit??

Trade - They don't compete..they don't fight..they don't get nsty..they AVOID contact and dirty areas..

PJ - The game Sunday gainst the Isles was soft and hitless also..just lost in the Rangers great play (hah)..Forwards don't want to do it..plain and simple

hospo... problem #1 is that this team hardly ever takes the puck to the dirty areas and straight to the net...

When things are going bad they do nothing to change the momentum….We don’t hit anyone….6-0….Throw in the towel..

I guess I was the only smart one as I watched 10 min and saw a shit show coming and turned it off.

KIS - He ha to do it to get ZDECAY going and appease the moop who was whining about ice time....DU, do something to fuckign deserve it...Sme with every other fucking Ranger....Even CHYTL and KAKKAO reduced to nothing after such a great start....Way to go Lvioletter..ANd the Tiny Tims Tip toeing all over the place..Sorry, this sucks

Looks like no game plan again! No work ethic. Bench some folks to send a message.

IGOR signs a new deal (allegedly) and has his worst start of the season. Maybe we should've signed him in the offseason?

Throw out EDSTROM and Vesey to send a message...Despite 2 wins, Rangers have been playing like this for 4 games...Only abberation was the open ass hockey against the AHL Isles when they were a tad better..outplayed, outworked and out fucking coached by a long way..

Sorry for the double post. I’m not sure what happened. But man, this team sucks.

At least Cuylle and Tro have life and want to do more then prance..the other 10 forwrds should take note...it's not that I don't like those two togehter...but Kakkao and Chytl have regressed.. the other forwards still skipping through the tulips

Rangers forwards don't like workign at ES..but they do like the easier PP..Well, let's get it done!

outworked..outcycled..the Rangers used to have ONE line that was doing that for like 8 games

According to Joe and Sam, the Sabres could be competing for the Cup!! They are that good!

Prancing wussy play..ZSHIT nd MILLER floating together...Just put the kid line back together please...

Screw Igor too much money. No cup can't afford other players around him. Greedy fuck

sjw - didn't see them losing too many board battles.......they tend to stay away from them instead!...But..new period...let's go

Another poor start.. usual suspect give aways, losing board battles, allowing players to come off the boards with possession and attack the net/slot uncontested ( except fora weak stick check) .. i think this team needs a 3 in 4 night to wake up their game .. too much time between games.. looking rusty not rested IMO

Hey MSG graphic is off - I missed the start of the game, it says 1-0 Bufala Mozzarellas are winning.

TD... If he took a 3 year deal, the cap would go up to 100 Million and he could make more money than he can now. So, that's why the thinking. So it made more than zero sense.

Per @KevinWeekes.... Looking like the #NYR will sign Igor Shesterkin to an 8 year $11.5M contract extension ($92M)... That will break Carey Price record deal by $1M.... Nothing official yet, but looks to be done soon

Rhet0ric - That would make zero sense. Five years? The dude would be 34. And you think he'd get MORE than $11.5 million then? I could see him taking MORE for fewer years...but less? NFW. SHESTY gonna sign him a deal that will take him to the end of his career. And I'd bet a lot that it'll be in New York.

SHESTERKIN at $11.5 million? Meh? Bring it on! Best goddamn goalie on the fucking planet and that's not about to change for the next six or seven years. Might be hard to stomach at first...but again...with LAF locked up long-term and no real other superstar contracts in the mix? Shit. Build your team from the net out...I said this a while back...I remember PERSONNALLY saying how bad BOBROVSKY'S contract was...$10 million?! Over SEVEN years?! To a dude who was 29 at the time and a friggin' basket case in net?! And who never got his team out of the second round of the POs?! That shit looked TERRRRRRRR-IBLE...But hey. First he takes them to conference finals...and then wins them a cup...Boom. Boom. Now does BOBO'S contract look bad?! No fucking way. Looks to me like the deal of the goddamn century...because the Panthers weren't winning the Cup with James RIEMER or Sam MONTEMBEAULT in net. And as good as Spencer KNIGHT may be at times or in the future, he sure as shit wasn't bringing them across the finish line...not with the D they had. No way, no how...point being...Florida paid bank to their tendy, and it paid off. If the Rangers continue to build the team around SHESTERKIN...it'll pay off for them too. They ain't far. In fact, I think they're damn close. Just a few tweaks to the finish line.

Pete... If he accepts it, I'm going to guess it's for 3-5 years. There were rumors going around that he wanted a shorter term deal so he could get another big payday at the end of this one. I guess we'll see.

Weekes posted a cryptic message on twitter that had a pic of NY and just said 11.5M?

I wonder if Jones is playing to up his value, that would make sense but is it credible??

Wow Stevielegs credibility on a forum is a tough pill to swallow..let's start the fact checking. Fact the rangers made it to the final 4 last year. Ok steviewonder go check and verify

Stevielegs. I actually know how to read ..fact today is Thursday and the rangers play, non fact dogs and cats are being consumed lolololol..thanks for allowing me to say what I want . Pop quiz , is free speech a constitutional right. Well if your a rookie player you probably have to keep your mouth shut so there is that.

Jonny Lazarus @JLazzy23 ..... Spoke to #NYR Vinny Trocheck about adjusting to new linemates and he reminded me that he played on a line with Reilly Smith in Florida for 2 seasons, so there’s some familiarity..... The 3rd player on their line?.... Jussi Jokinen.

Vcp you are losing credibility with non facts, but feel free to state them. Knock yourself out.

TD. I hope you're right on the Packs future. I do believe and the coach basically said as much, they are offensively challenged. Of course missing BO doesn't help. The coach had encouraging words for BMB and Roo after last night's game and that's great to hear.

RF4L - GARAND is kind of the story. The dude is 4-0-1 right now and has wrested top tender from DOMINGUE. They'll still split duties...just the nature of the AHL scheduling...but I think it's safe to say he's the top tender now...The Pack have a really good team this year. Very nice combo of vets and young players. They're big AND nasty. Could be the start of something good, even though their record isn't anything to write home about...yet.

mf - KASTELIC is a very good fourth liner, don't get me wrong. There are instances I could see him jumping to third...You got me thinking possible he could slot in on right side and take faceoffs for CHYTIL who isn't that great there...and that would be a very tough third line...the kind most folks here would really like...but you pull a puck possession guy like KAKKO off that line and you can shortwire the whole thing...I also don't think he's a late bloomer at all. Just getting a lot of ice on a Bruins team that has been rather terrible...he COULD be to the Rangers what STENLUND was to the Panthers...but STENLUND didn't win them the Cup. Again. A nice support option, but not one that is going to change much.

KASTELIC would'a been a great option before CARRICK was signed. He's not a bad player. Has some skill, but is mostly a banger-grinder. I'm not sure Boston would be too eager to trade him...especially to the Rangers...but even if they were, there's one main reason why he wouldn't be a good fit on the Rangers: Peter LAVIOLETTE. He's not going to be in the top six, nor should he be. You could bump him to the CHYTIL line and promote CUYLLE or KAKKO...would kinda make sense, because he's pretty good at faceoffs...but if a dude like Adam EDSTROM isn't getting a sniff there, Mark KASTELIC wouldn't get within a country mile...So that leaves fourth line...which barely plays as it is...he'd be an upgrade over CARRICK, but not by much...and CARRICK is now playing the PK. I wouldn't take either VESEY or EDSTROM out, and I don't think he'd be an upgrade over either of those guys...So that's what you got. Honestly, there's no room on the Rangers for anyone. This is the team we got until someone gets hurt or LAVIOLETTE changes his approach. Or until someone in the top six gets traded...but that's not gonna happen either. The only real candidate there is SMITTY Jr., and he's been playing pretty good, all things considering. So KASTELIC? Sure! But who are you pulling out.

So glad edstrom, mancini, laffy ,chytil are doing really well so far. We are on the verge of something special if kakko kind find the net and maybe ottman or berard get the call and produce..we need more net presence. Oppps forgot the MAN CUYLLE!!!!!!

Mr idiot , convicted felon, wouldn't leave the white house , held unto classified information lololol yep no doubt I trust in trump NOT lolololol. This wall is for me to say positive or negative or what the heck ......still better than being a leafs fan heyyyyyyy lolol. I have more faith In Drury .....NOT

rf4l: He had a spectacular save near the end of regulation as well with the glove. Kid has the dazzle thing going in net at times.

Well then put the jockstrap down and be positive. Any while you had to mention Trump, yes he will help you too. You can teach an old dog new tricks.

https://www.foreverblueshirts.com/new-york-rangers-news/don-la-greca-sounds-warning-igor-shesterkin-contract/

I rather vote for trump than be a islander/ Debbie fan lolololol.. I have been a fan for too long I want a cup not a jockstrap

VCP could be an islander Debby downer fan, but if a win finds fault and can be a guaranteed Buzz kill. Stop and enjoy the ride. LGR .. …

MF Boston. Wanting 170 pound jones are you joking lololol..it's not like he plays at 190.. Lindgren sure but Jones no way

Wallster talent scouts: a player we identified the last year or two while searching for a 3rd/4th line Center: Mark Kastelic (perhaps a late bloomer, turned 25 in March) is having himself a very nice season with the Bruins. Kastelic is a big kid (6'4", 225lbs) a RHS, not afraid to throw his weight around either, averaging just shy of 2.5 Hits p/g. Kastelic also has a 56.1 FOW%, and is signed at a very favorable $835,000.... He's an RFA at the end of this season. The Bruins have him Centering the 4th line, I'm wondering whether he has the talent to handle 3rd Line Center responsibilities. IMO we could benefit having another RHS Forward in the top 9. Does Boston want JONES, or someone else? Anywho, a player to keep an eye on (IMO) (https://puckpedia.com/player/mark-kastelic) -- https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kastema01.html

Vcp how are you still here if the world was over yesterday? There’s plenty of hockey in Canada.

Truth about MANCINI is that he's the only non-regular player on the roster to date who doesn't need to go through waivers...Zero sense in having him with the team if he's getting limited minutes and platooning with JONES. Better for him to get monster minutes in Hartford than to have that kind of schedule...Though he's a pretty polished player...I just hate keeping first and second year guys on the bench...Same story as REMPE. You send him to the AHL and while the competition isn't nearly as good and the speed is at least a full step less...better ice time is better for development...The key now is GETTING him to Hartford. It's a bummer because they play tonight...he should be in the lineup...but with games on Friday and Sunday...and the Rangers playing in Detroit on Saturday...maybe they're waiting to see how tomorrow night goes with JONES before making the call. Either way, the NHL is not a development league, and LAVIOLETTE is not a development coach...MANCINI has a very bright future ahead, and I can almost guarantee he's going to buy TROUBA a ticket elsewhere...or rather make that move easier to stomach...but that's after TROUB's raises the cup next spring!

re: MANCINI, while he did make a gaff that lead to a goal Sunday, I suspect what you're seeing right now is two things: Them giving JONES the chance he rightfully earned out of camp and with his play late last year, and probably more importantly, lining up all lefties and righties on their appropriate side...If JONES continues to perform well and earns at least as much of LAVIOLETTE'S trust as SCHNIEDER is now getting, I suspect you'll see MANCINI in Hartford soon and either RUHWEDEL or MACKEY up possibly Turnstyle HARPUR up in that spot. MACKEY would be my preference, but I'd bet a fair sum it'll be Hanging Chad.

Hospo: I wonder the same thing about Jones. Apparently Lavy had a long conversation with him after practice on the ice…that’s per Twitter reports anyway. Either he is actually to be scratched or he is being told this is his chance. Mancini has so bugs in his game, so they may feel it’s good to have him watch what they are telling him and then work with him on the video room and such. Those moments and those bings can be very helpful once a coaching staff has diagnosed what the issues are that are coachable. So if Jones doesn’t take the bull by the horns here then he is jsut settling himself into a 6/7 role for a team deeper in D that is contending. Thats not to say he would not fit a hell of a lot better on a different roster though.

RF4L - Don't see how Mancini earned a benching, maybe they are just trying to see what they haven in Jones for the season long run

Holloway if I remember has had a few injuries in his career. Dude can’t catch a break…wonder what deal he made with the hockey gods that he isnt living up to lol

BTW looks like Mancini banished to the pressbox for the Sabre game. 2 in a row??

Man, looks like the hockey gods REALLY don't like offer sheets...they were looking like goddamn geniuses trading a second and a third for HOLLOWAY and BROBERG...but first BROBERG goes down awkwardly and is now out for a month with a knee injury...and then last night, HOLLOWAY takes a puck to the throat. Talk about totally fucked coincidences...

DREW - BWHAHAH!! The ISLANDERS WON!?? Maybe it really IS the end of days! Of course...look who they beat! There's only one team in the east more hapless than the Isles and gloriously for me it's the fucking Pittsburgh Penguins! Nevertheless, I did meant to mention...and humblebrag a bit...about my Islanders' prognostication and the utter meltdown their fans were having on Monday/Tuesday before the game...Like, I seriously don't know how a team with HORVAT, SOROKIN and DOBSON can be as awful as they are and not have a goddamn thing to show for their off-season other than Anthony DUCLAIR and this TSYPLAKOV guy...Like...THAT is your response to an embarrassing first-round exit?! Where your team was pretty much pounded into the ground?! And man, they go ZERO help on the way. The guys they drafted that looked pretty good in juniors are all struggling pretty bad in the AHL...Their one hope is that Cole EISERMAN pulls it all together and becomes their Gabe PERREAULT. Poor SOROKIN. Man, what a fantastic goalie cursed with a team that is total trash. Lou Lamourillo is a fucking idiot.

RF4L - Not at all, my attempt at humor obviously failed! This was gonna be a bad morning whether the Giant Douche or the Turd sandwich was voted in...That aside, the SABRES had a pretty nasty and physical and victorious game with the Senators last night..Love a game like that right now...Hope they bring it to MSG tomorrow..

Now that we won the political Stanley Cup....how great it would be to win the hockey one too...............

CM -You are catawampus, the schedule is catawampus, the Rangers lines are catawampus, the Rangers style of play is catawampus, the whole damn country is catawampus!! And yes I sounded like Al Pacino saying that..It would have been nice to have a game tonight...

vcp1994: Your Panarin and Igor analogy puts most cup teams at or near 500 if you take top 2 players off it and one of them is the goalie . Agree early on though they just appear to be weaker or in classic athlete form , have tuned coach out in year 2 instead of 3 .

Drew , pretty funny..let's see a convicted felon or..... progressive politics.lololol I choose the Islanders . Buffalo will be boring . Poor sabres a franchise that should go under

Oh my gosh what a terrible night for our country! The Islanders won. Well I guess that’s the only newsworthy contest this evening.

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli .... Good news: Sources say doctors indicated #stlblues Dylan Holloway is going to be OK. His airway is open and unobstructed. There's no swelling around his neck, precautionary scan scheduled at hospital.... Holloway's parents were in town for the game and are with him at hospital.

Gee, I wonder what may be going on today that no one is posting on the wall. Hmmmm....

I blame the Rangers schedule. This is the most catawampus start to the season I can remember. Play one day take four off. Play one take two off. And we have the 4 Nations cup coming up so does that mean the rest of the season is just constant back t backs? I haven't looked at the schedule, but there is no rythym so far!

I'm sure those server issues pissed off some posters. And the Rangers aren't playing much...

td: Could be that its just a slow as hell hockey day, or the sever freaked out again.

I still say, Washington was awful last year,we swept we beat the canes because IGOr Panthers were just a superior team. My conclusion we are in the top 5 or 6 of the league for regular season play. That's it.

Define irony. Without panarin and Igor as of now we are a 500 team, maybe..In the playoffs, panarin doesn't play that type of hockey and Igor needs D around him. I got you better take less or your name never goes on a cup. Maybe he doesn't care

Wildcard - I didn't watch JONES that carefully, but I don't think you can gage a player's spatial awareness based simply on what direction his head is turned. The really good players...and all of them at the NHL-level are really good...have the kind of sight where they know where guys are without having them in their field of vision. They're brains process and fill in the blanks. It's why you see guys who suffer CTE and/or substance use issues drop off a cliff in terms of their ability...their brains can no longer fill in the blanks with the speed they once did...but I digress...I don't see a single problem with JONES' game outside of the fact that he doesn't get nearly the ice he deserves. The criticism of him used to be that he was too small and...with less evidence than that...he was pushed off the puck too easily...I don't see any of that. What I see is a guy who can motor and who is VERY good at reading the play...and very good at being where he needs to be, when he needs to be there. I hate the idea of demoting MANCINI, because I think these two have more or less been equal...but THAT is what I'd do based on the limited games JONES has played.

On yesterday: I didn't have as many negative thoughts about it as some here predictably did...yeah, I would've liked better shot suppression, for sure. I didn't see a lot of high-danger shots from the Isles...but I also saw a continues loose-knit defensive approach...I mentioned this the other day, but the forwards are really hanging high when the puck is in their zone. And it doesn't really seem like the wingers are staying tight to their points either, which makes them look a bit like they're cherry picking...then again, when you have a goalie as good as SHESTY, and he can stop 95 percent of what's shot at him...that's a real good way to get high-percentage odd-man rushes...anyway, the better team won. I would've liked a more authoritative win, but...they were also up against SOROKIN, who is a genuine baller...I will say it's really exceedingly frustrating to see that Grant HUTTON(?!) and former Ranger pick(!!) Dennis CHOLOWSKI(?!) get about as much ice time as Zac JONES and Braden SCHNEIDER. The latter is the most mystifying...I seriously have no idea how this guy isn't getting 18 a night. JONES is a little more understandable...but he had a fantastic game for what little he saw of the ice...Likewise...Can we please get Adam EDSTRÖM more ice?!Why, oh, why is this kid skating less than 10 minutes?! Agree with the sentiment that EDSTRÖM-CARRICK-VESEY was a really good line...the rest? TBH, I would get the KAKKO-CHYTIL-CUYLLE line back together. And if anything? Flip the centers. Let TROCHECK center KREIDER and SMITTY Jr. and have Z center LAF and PANARIN...I do think at some point in the very not-too-distant future, the Rangers are going to need to think hard about getting a real banger into their top six...I honestly feel like EDSTROM could be that guy...that he would be GOOD making space...anyway, the shittiest part about yesterday is that we don't get the Rangers until Thursday. Makes for a long goddamn week, for sure...but maybe that's what they need...time to really work on a gameplan and I guess above all, start convincing LAVIOLETTE that he doesn't need to heap all the ice on eight players.

I have 5 days of Wall to catch up on, but is the bottom line "not" that the NYR's gave up just 3 goals in the last 2 games for 2 "Wins?" Some how they got it done with less than stellar efforts throughout, and somehow with criticism hurled at the coach.

schneidw - While I never understood them moving on from HOWDEN...and the McDONAGH-MILLER deal being the disaster that it was...I will say that he'd be our fourth-line forward on most days. Would've saved us some draft picks with the MOTTE/WENNBERG deals, for sure, but he's not a hell of a lot better than CARRICK has been thus far. And the latter is $1 million cheaper...One other important note? HOWDEN brought us the pick that got us Noah LABA, who, at the very least, will be a player of HOWDEN'S ilk. HOWDY, with the MOST optimistic projections, never rose much about a third line center. I don't think anyone thought he'd be top six...LABA, at this point, projects to be a third line center, with top-six upside. He's a legit prospect. Could see him being a player a bit like mf's boy Jack McBAIN is with Utah. Nonetheless, a player much more valuable than HOWDY.

Hospo when we play good teams we will have our problems that is my point..Panthers kicked out asses . We can beat the not so good teams

VCP/PJ - Mostly outside offense against mainly an AHL defense...Only 1 goal the result of more then two seconds of work--by the 4th line!!!..Other then that a PPG, a PK goal, an EN goal and then a heinous turnover/or good plaay by SMith..But, they all do count!..KAKKAO is gonna be one of a few players lost with these lines IMWO....OTOH, they got two more good sisters of the poor games to play in BUF and the yawn indiucing Red Wings (AGAIN!) to work kinks

vcp…We had one good chance after another in the first period…Saw the saves and the replays of the saves….We generated plenty of offense….

I didn’t think we were bad offensively at all…Goaltending kept the Isles in the game in the first period….Not saying it was due to the line changes but we had offense….D zone play poor and Trouba and yes once again Miller were lousy…

So the Panthers lose in the finals, win cups the next year and are 9-3 worth 17 points. I guess the heck with my being a tired team theory or they have something special in their water

Laffy has taken a few games off probably celebrating his new contract. Lololol. Kakko i am getting concerned. We really need him to get going..

BTW, I rewatched some to see if could get a better feeling after reading the more positive comments below..but, nope...BTW, who the hell were those D-men on the Islanders?...Other than Dobson and the other guy, it seemed like an average AHL defense..DREW must like that!

Sorry I am thinking way ahead. The regular season is fun but somewhat meaningless.just get in and be healthy

We can't play the board game with our two lines, only our bottom 2 can do it to some degree. The 4this best at it

8-2 and not playing really well. I guess we will take it.islamders outworked us but didn't have the talent today, otherwise we lose.

Glad I didn't waste a gorgeous Sunday afternoon watching that game..Just watched it in 65 mins...Maybe that's the culprit, but just a personal opinion---that was one of the meekest Rangers-Isles game i have seen in a long time..and messy and boring as fuck...The good thing is that it was a definitive improvement over the last two games so that was good...and there finally was offense even if in an open ass little hitting game.... still, other then the 4th line at times and a good play by Reilly SMITH, it just did nothing to impress me at ES and still seeing lines that want to play skill, pretty hockey..Talking about that, the play by ZBAD-KREIDER was beautiful on the PK........For me personally, Not being able to watch the kid line took a lot of enjoyment out of it..they were the best thing bout this team and watching them so far this year...And I didn't know KAKKAO was playing until 10 mins left in the game! Still, all you can ask is to improve on the last game and they did...Just don't see these lines being n answer to anything

I was at the game ..D has a loooongggg way to go..why not mancini instead of Jones I have no idea I guess he has to play. He certainly can skate. Offensively same crap only 4th line kept ozone pressure. Rest was pretty much shorthanded, PP and the rush..this team better change come playoff time or it will be lucky to get past Washington in the first round.. perimeter hockey ain't working.

Watch Jones closer. There were at least 3 times today where the Rangers were defending a partial odd man rush or break of one player. Jones never took his eyes off the puck carrier who Schnieder was defending. He never looked over his shoulder. Never looked to see who was following up the play. He had no way of knowing who was coming back to help him or the Isles player. One of those times there was an islander streaking down the middle, Jones was keeping pace with the puck carrier who Schneider was right on, and had a pass been made Jones would have been looking, facing and moving in the wrong direction. He needs to have better situational awareness. Had this been a team that was contending and not a bottom dweller with a bunch of injuries, that play could have easily been in the back of the Rangers net.

Fox playing with Lindgren again seemed to lessen the weight on his shoulders a bit.

Not great still work to do away from the puck and reducing HIgh risk TO that turn into chances the other way .. lose the snow angels and Jones deserves to stay in ...despite his smaller size he is assertive in his own end.. hard on pucks and decisive with his clears.. I trust him more than Miller.. right now

An improvement for sure….D play was better but a very low bar to improve on …

PJ... I thought the same thing. It was like the refs were trying their hardest to give the NYI a PP and he was trying his hardest to get them tied up :)

andrei: Zero physicality? I’m not sure what game you watched if what definitions you use. But that is about as far from reality as you can get. The 4th line was around the blue paint all night battling, winning the boards and being hard on their sticks at both ends of the ice and that’s not to mention that they had 1/3 of the hits with 6 between them.

Side note…I really love the look of Igor’s helmet this year with the matte finish. Super sharp and such a contrast from the usual shiny lid.

Not liking new lines, like at all. Never understood breaking up Chytil's line. 4th line is not bad, but there is zero physicality coming from them. Rangers continue playing free willing hockey and Shetsi continues bailing them out.

PJ.... That's what I thought when I first saw it but on replay, you can see he squared to bunt and popped it over the goalies head.... UNREAL..... https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/nyi-vs-nyr/2024/11/03/2024020185/summary

Rhet: I sort of thought we would get the game as long as they were generating chances. The D is suspect at times still, but it’s not as bad as some Ranger fans are saying or the bloggers and twitter folks. But the breakdowns have seemed worse than normal, some of it is bounces but part is how the players are positioned, and who moves where when and how far…have to wonder if that’s partly due to new linemates reading off each other.

The new lines are starting to click. I'm impressed we've stuck with them this long.

PJ: I think it also hit the Isles defender in the back. So I beleive it would no longer matter if it hit his hand or arm…because I believe the rule is you can’t direct it into the net but it doesn’t say you can’t direct it and have a defender knock it in accidentally.

I know nothing has gone in for him. But ZiB is much more up the ice and in high danger areas and has been rewarded with chances. If he keeps playing this way he will start to pot some goals.

Bullshit call on Pulock, resulted on NYR PP, bullshit non-call on Dobson that resulted in NYI scoring.

Should have been a call but Trouba can’t snow angel and allow them to walk in on Igor….

Chytil covered in snow after being tripped allowing the NYI to get possession of the puck. Why would the refs call that I wonder? Maybe because it’s the NHL showcase and they want a tight game to keep eyes on the third period?

Wild- these announcer yahoos were also expecting it- obviously prepped by watching 2 years ago highlights!

The entire Isles team was expecting them to feed Mika. And what a. Lee in from Fox

Tampa Bay Trade-- The gift that keeps giving... interesting to see how Brett Howden has quietly built himself a nice career in Las Vegas, including getting his name on the Stanley Cup, Playoff Stats, 29GP 6 goals, 6 assists 12 points and this season in a more pronouned role he has 6 goals in 12 games... Howden is still only 26YO... Did NYRs give up on him to soon? Not saying he is tearing up the league, but Drury gave him away for a 4th rounder, similar to Barron and WPG, Young, low cost, Centers with size are hard to find...

Sam Carrick is a pain in the ass to play against. I like him for a 1m 4th line center. He’s in every scrum, he grabs sticks. Good signing

COMark it sound like Lingrom to me…but he has said it right when not in the play…I think he may have a speech thing that causes him to sound off

We should have 5 goals…Isles still in it due to goaltending…We know how that works….

We definitely should be up more than we are, we can't be wasting these chances. Get the puck up off the ice. The dreaded 2nd period.

This NHL network broadcast is the worst I have ever seen. Seriously. Not only is the sound mix horrible. Can hardly hear the game and crowd but the announcers are clear and loud. Then the worst part about hearing them is they are idiots. It feel like the Olympics when a person is part of an announcer team that has hardly seen a sport before and don’t actually know it. Even the play calling…Lindgren put a body check and a guy went down and the announcer is like “got tripped up, no call” WTF?

These bozo’s calling the game from the NHL network can’t tell who has the puck and are incredibly annoying!

CM….I say play your best the most….If that reduces Zbad’s ice time so be it..

PJ- It’s a long season, you have to do what is best for the players long term. Reducing overtime of guys like Z might make the fan feel better, but it’s more punitive. Team is still winning, you have time to play with things and balance the attack. Benching kids in youth hockey can be a motivator to play less selfishly, cover assignments, take shorter shifts, stop taking stupid penalties. But at the professional level, I don’t think it has the same motivating factors. Benching is the same thing, if you have a kid, taking a step back to watch from the pressbox might develop their game by changing perspective. Don’t see it having same impact on the vets. Just my opinion, of course.

Does espn replay the game on on espn plus center ice package later? Looks like this is a nhl network game exclusive

The Nyr are like a long running soap opera. Like sand through a hourglass so go the days of their lives.

PJ - feel the same about the lines...The guy I worry about the most with these changes is KAKKAO..seems to have found his confidence and comfort zone playing on the kid line but is kinda fragile..Hope he can maintain it ..oh well, hope it wakes the vet stars up

Hate breaking up the kid line and also breaking up one of the best lines in the league the last couple of years but have to do something…..I would have started with drastically reducing the Z line ice time…I like Lindgren back with Fox….Miller and Trouba can be a problem…

PJ - Oh I agree, for the most part. When the Caps nail two goals right off the rip in the first period, that ain't the fault of a mismanaged bench...I think the top issue for the Rangers' D right now is the team's overall approach. They're playing a looser system with less help from the forwards in an effort to drum up 5-on-5 offense. LAVIOLETTE has also broken up D pairings that have been together for the past four years. I think it's all contributing to the end. Probably the biggest deal is whatever this system is they're playing. The forwards are basically playing no defense.

LIMBO - Spot on..We all know the Rangers are a good team, one of the better ones in the NHL, and will win in the Regular Season, I think the comments of many are in regards to them being better then that and a Cup contender..and having the ability/toughness/attitude to play and beat Florida and tougher teams in PO series....Doesn't look like it as they stand now, but it's a long season

Dylan Roo with his 3rd goal last night giving him 4 points in 4 games. Man if he's for real what a bonus that'll be.

IMO - you could mix and match till you are blue in the face - fact is this team is just way too talented to not be one of the top 16 in the NHL. I’ve said for years, if the prancing is a metaphysical certitude, then ZBAD and PANARIN should do their fancy prancy bullshit on the same line, especially in the playoffs. Reg season? Who gives a shit. They are gonna win regardless. It finally breaks up the bromance? Even better.

At least laviolett is not waiting for miracles. I still think players might be tired from last season.....some not all.

TD…Agree ice time isn’t being allocated properly…Don’t believe it is the reason for the poor team D….We play poor defensively at any time in the game….We were down 2-0 right away against Caps….Poor coverage and communication…Beaten to every loose puck and we are pathetic getting the puck out when pressured….

Well, something had to be done about the gutless and minimal effort way ZBAD and Last years top six forwards were playing...Thought Cuylle or Edstrom moving were the only real options, but wasn't expecting the Hu Thru Pu against the Wall strategy by Laviolette....The TRO and ZBD lines needed an enema big time ..but at the expense of breaking up what has been one of the best lines in Hockey? Not keen on it, but we'll see......REMPE going down with VESEY returning was a done deal..but leaves the team a bit short for Big Boy Hockey, but that gets to be a problem later in the year and hopefully not now..

I’m thinking of using some Drew Reverse psychology involving my Famtasy hockey team: starting Ranger Killer Varlamov instead of Vasilevsky playing against the Jets. This is why I am perennially in 13th place, lol!

rf4L, agree 100%. Never understood why ZShit get's special treatment. As a coach you should think what is in the best interest of the team, instead it is always about getting ZShit "going". Why keep on trying to force the non existent tandem that have not worked for over 5 years? ZShit and Panerin never ended up working well. Chytil is a better option. Will see. Maybe without Kreider, and with Lafr, line will click. Don't see it, but what do I know. All i do know is that without Sheti, this team is a at best, a .500 club.

Rangers don't like to be forechecked and they don't like to be hit. That is how you beat us. Still 7-2 not to shabby.

The fish sticks will beat us into submission tomorrow without rempe. But what do I know, mancini, trouba, edstrom, Schneider, vescey can hopefully handle the load.

NY Rangers PR @NYR_PR.... UPDATE: Matt Rempe has been assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack

Vince Z. Mercogliano @vzmercogliano .... With Rempe being sent down and Vesey expected to be activated from LTIR tomorrow, the #NYR will be left with about $1.35 million in available cap space. That puts them on pace to accrue around $5.5M by the March 7 trade deadline.

Lardiolette on whether or not the lineup changes are to help get Zecline going. His answer? No. Geesh - why the hand holding for this guy. Why not acknowledge that he's struggling and you're looking for ways to help him get out of his funk because he remains an important piece of the team? That's not slamming him. But perhaps Z will pout and cry? Ridiculous AFAIC.

So no Rempe tomorrow against the Islanders I guess. Tell me again why this kid is being allowed to waste away in the pressbox? Hajek II? Stupid asset management courtesy of the New York Rangers.

Well that's a good thing but you know if it doesn't work immediately, Lardiolette will go back to his original lines. Old dog new tricks and all that...

Vince Z. Mercogliano @vzmercogliano · 28s Complete new lines: Panarin - Zib - Laf Cuylle- Trocheck - Smith Kreider - Chytil - Kakko Edström - Carrick - Vesey Laviolette looking for a spark after being outshot by a combined margin of 87-37 in the last two games. #NYR

I have a suspicion...pure speculation really...that they're also trying to keep CHYTIL'S minutes down to start as a precautionary measure. No evidence for it other than that he really hasn't been getting minutes. His top so far this season has been 16:30. Only played 12 minutes last night. The only plausible explanation I have for that is that they're keeping him on the light side as he gets back into the swing. Monitoring him closely, etc.

I don't understand why Edstrom hasn't been tried with the Brobros. Wait. Yes I do. Smith is a Drury acquisition and a veteran.

trocheck is a bit worn down simple as that, cant keep up that kind of pace without really balanced TOI, plus he is a small guy who plays with ferocity. I predict that even with our pooor record 7-2 LOLOL that we certain players will gain it back within the next 10-15 games. ZBAD no idea . The CHYTIL line is saving us right now and igor.

What is astounding to me is the total lack of work, compete and effort of both the ZBAD and TRO lines...They don't win any battles, hell, they don't even go near them..And that's why you have 15 shots the last two games..Zero generation of offense because of lack of effort and refusal to get a little dirty....Will it be this bad all year? I don't think so, but it's already obvious to be a VERY GOOD team...they need a physical forward on the top six..even a poor man's Tkachuck (either one)..Barring a trade, Internally, the only options worth even trying is Cuylle (KK's motor isn't high enough)...maybe Edstrom if you are desperate...OTOH, I don't want to mess with the kid line

TD. Lost in all the noise about Zecline is IMO the play of Trocheck. He's not been as off as Z but unlike so many games last year all too often not noticeable. Slow start? Nagging injury? It's a tad worrisome especially given Z's issues and the weakness organizationally at centre ice.

TD. For sure. The problem isn't solely the coach but AFAIC it starts there. We're seeing GG all over again. The old boys married to the vets coaching strategy is getting very old. And Lardiolette isn't doing anything different in that regard vs last year. This year however for whatever reason far more often than not it's not working. And it's on the coach to figure out.

RF4L - Tell you what? I mean, the issues this team is having are all easily corrected. It's not personnel. And while ZIBANEJAD might not be the player he was five years ago, he's not in decline by any stretch of the imagination. What we have is a team approach to games that is allowing a lot of rubber to get through. This isn't on one player. This isn't on one line. It's the whole goddamn approach. They seem perfectly happy letting other teams carry the puck. Again...part of the issue is that you have a coach who really pins everything on the top six. And when the top six isn't firing...it's not...at all...you get games like this...SMITTY Jr. ain't working with the BROMANCE. Surprise, surprised. So that line is misfiring. That leaves everything up to the PANARIN line...and now teams are really playing them close. So then what's that leave you with? 13 minutes of the CHYTIL line? 40 seconds of the second PP unit? A mere dribble of the fourth line? Someone was saying the Rangers aren't physical. Well, their top two sure aren't. But their fourth line? Those guys BANG. But they're only out there for between five and eight minutes. Again, this is coaching. The personnel isn't perfect, but it's pretty close. It's the approach. And as I've mentioned? It could be that LAVIOLETTE is really trying to ween this team from getting all it's offense on the PP. Or at least I hope...

PJ - Broken record time: The way you change that...shot suppression...is you play an up-tempo, structured game. That starts with spreading out the minutes more equally so that guys have legs. Hard to put on a smothering forecheck when your guys are all gassed and have jelly legs...it's why I get so bent when we have a player...or PLAYER(S) more specifically...who don't share the minutes. That's REMPE, for sure. 100 percent...and last night hammered this point home...but also the other four. EDSTROM-CARRICK-BRODZINSKI was statistically the best line out there, second to the CHYTIL line...and those six players got the least ice among the forwards. It's patently ridiculous...But also, it's SCHNEIDER and MANCINI. five consecutive games that SCHNEIDER has had fewer than 18 minutes. And MANCINI? Only twice has he breached the 17 minute mark(both were authoritative wins BTW)...Is bench management the only issue? Not at all. But ALL of the other issues...Every. Single. One...are impacted by this in one way, shape, or form.

Better fix the myriad of issues before the walls come crashing it. It's amazing to watch Igor but the opposite to watch his teammates. Something is seriously wrong here and it's not just Zecline. Minimal physicality, sloppy defensive play, and little emotion. Islanders are probably looking to make a statement Sunday...

RF4L - re: RFC Admin and the issues lately...this may not be something they have control over. In truth, I sort of doubt they do, outside of migrating the site to a new, more reliable server, which would likely cost more $$$.

Rhet0ric - No one is 'lamenting.' But when you factor in a second AND a fifth AND SMITTY Jr. STILL costs more than ROSLOVIC and isn't really having that much of an impact? Yeah. There's that. He had a good game last night, but again. That line isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing, which is the driving reason to bringing that guy on board. Simple as this: ROSLOVIC wouldn't be doing any worse, and the Rangers would still have a second and fifth round pick. OH...and a half a mill of additional cap space. Full stop. Disagree? Well I'd love to hear your rational.

Not an excuse but many teams go in prior year go deep but no cup usually have their issues. Yep 7-2 pretty bad. We are out of sync. Lololol don't win cups in November. We are starting slow it's pretty common . When vescey returns and they can play 4 lines it should help.carrick is eh. Edstrom vescey and yep brodz . Hopefully rempe improves.

NCRanger......nice to see you following the bouncing ball...LOL...but seriously...........you nailed it there,we should not be happy the way this team is playing..the D pairs, the lines , certain guys..ETC Shesty in his own cute way is saying "pay me please, and thank you very much ".

I thought Z was better tonight….Played better defensively and had a couple of chances…Kreider will always run hot and cold and end up with decent numbers…Best line tonight defensively was the fourth line..They also had the best forecheck….

Didn’t Fox get married this summer? Must of used the same caterers as Smith did all those years ago. Same training regiment as well

Another stolen game for Shesterkin who’s playing out of his mind. This team doesn’t look the same. D as a collective whole continues to look off. This style of play is unsustainable. It will catch up with them sooner than later if they don’t fix the issues, and fast. Z still looks down and Kreider am has looked disinterested. Probably b/c he realizes Z is mostly shot. Man I hope I’m wrong about that. Fix is another who looks disinterested and lackadaisical. I absolutely hate his body language every time he takes a penalty. Sulking, pouting, looks up to the sky jabbering, etc. 3rd line (really 2nd now IMO) and 4th kine, Shesterkin, Bread, and Laffy are carrying the team now. I’ll enjoy the wins, but something has to change and soon. The goalies aren’t going to play out of there kind all season

MILLER.... Much better game tonight. Dude still seems like he thinks about defense as a forward first half the time. Frustrating. I still don't know what's up with FOX. He doesn't take over games like he used to.

This was a tale of two half. Much better in the first half, pretty bad in the 2nd. Work in progress.

Laviolette didn’t sound like a coach who won in the postgame..A good first period.and then they stopped skating…Beaten to loose pucks and no forecheck…Laviolette knows he has a problem…

Totally out played.. disappointing effort after that no show in Washington .. so many dumbass plays with the puck .. no attack at the net .. all outside waiting for the perfect pass.. 4/5 times u lose that game and badly .. get rid of the fancy coasting pants and get the workin pants on ...

Rangers allowed 89 shot attempts…More than the 84 against Washington.. Love the two points but what is the answer defensively? It isn’t just a couple of players…

PJ - all it takes is one good shift a game and they got ice..shows how bad the rest of the team has been playing

Winning is good, i'll take it, but it is not a winning stlye..especilly without IGOR

PJ. Nor do we forecheck much and defensively too loosey goosey. Relying on Igor.

Missed the first, only caught the 2nd..Rangers were God awful..totally outworked

Poor play continues.. slow and beaten to pucks all over the ice.. no pucks to the net all perimeter high risk cross ice passes .. turnovers galore.. Shesty saving their assess

Hey rfc admin. I donated $$ when you asked previously. Willingly. But if you refuse to address this ongoing shit I want it back. Geesh. More frustrating than watching the Rangers rely on Igor. Again.

No discernible improvements.. giving pucks away, poor board work allow teams through the neutral zone with speed, stick checking and perimeter offence ...Good Pk until .. u guessed it Miller got caught out of position wandering 2 high... did not cost us

Got to see last Ottawa Pp on NHL tonight but that’s it. Not on my cable network (Verizon Fios) unless I pay for ESPN + - I’m paying enough to these bastards for the crap I get so screw that.

We're lamenting the losses of Roslovic? Seriously? The dude can't play a lick of defense and is little more than a regular season player. I did not like the SMITH trade, but I prefer him over Rosy. Remember when some guys were lamenting the loss of Sammy BLAIS after he was traded back to the BLUES and had a solid final 31 GP with them? How did that end up for him? He was waived last season and is currently playing in the AHL. Just saying.

TDCHI - I've said many time EDSTROM is more refined and more skilled..Does that mean he is better for a 5-10 minute 4th liner on a team that needs banging and physicality??? I am not convinced...And yes, things add up I do agree, but the 4th line players really aren't the problem--we have 5 that can play--it's the coach coaching the way he is so early in the season.........ANDRIE - I was DRIVING the ZBAD bus long ago but I quit being Ralph Kramden long ago and hopped off when I realized I was being too hard on the guy becasue he didn't play the way i liked but he had some positives...But from late last year to the start of the season he has nauseated me...........But, two goals for him in OTTAWA tonight!!

As constructed we can't handle strong pressure or forechecking teams that is a fact..that needs to change.

Tdchi We are 6-2. This is exactly what the coach needs to do. See what does, doesn't work experiment. It's the regular season. Going 60- 22 accomplishes exactly nothing.

OK, stop the assholery andrei. No one is saying REMPE is the root of all evil. But small problems together add up to one big one. A fourth line that is benched for 56 minutes per game+mismatched defensive partners+a line that can't seem to find a third player to connect+a new approach to playing+...the list goes on. And FFS, you make it sound like the team is fucking 0-8-1. Get some goddamn perspective FFS.

Hospo, you scare me, man! ZCrap, ZShit.. Welcome to the ZBad fan bus. Of course all of NYR problems start and end with the 4th line wingers. Nothing at all to do with the declining play of certain player who needs a haircut, or the Bromance that produces zilch even strength. It's all also about scratching Jones, whom Lavi "does" not trust. It's about Rempe, whom Lavi does not trust. Last year was also about playing players that Lavi trusts, dying corpses of Shitlik, Bombino, and Wheelchair ... Now we have the next pet project, JBlow. Before that we had Hunt, Lattery,..... List will go on and on. Sounds to me it's not about players, and it's about Lavi fucken "trusts" issues. Maybe he needs a doctor?

Hospo - Out of EDSTROM'S four lowest ice totals this season, REMPE was on his line for three. Yes, EDDIE also gets the LAVY bench staple...not nearly as bad as REMPE, but also for good reason: He's a much better player and more refined. Look, facts are facts, and there's not another Ranger who spends more time on the bench than REMPE. And when he IS on the bench, most of the time his linemates are right there with him. When REMPE is in, fourth line is grabbing pine. They still grab pine with BRODZ, but not nearly as much.

Wildcard - What you're seeing is when REMPE is in the lineup, the whole fourth line doesn't get in the rotation. Again. Look at the games when BRODZINSKI is in. CARRICK and EDSTROM get more minutes. This very much IS a trust issue with REMPE. You want to argue he belongs and deserves more minutes? I fully disagree, but I'm not the one you have to convince. It's LAVIOLETTE. When REMPE is in, he shortens his bench. He did it bigtime against Washington. Fourth line basically didn't see the ice in the third. Again. We can argue about what REMPE does and does not do until the friggin' cows come home and are butchered into steaks. But that doesn't change the plain fact that LAVY doesn't trust him and shortens his bench badly whenever he is in the lineup...We're looking at 2-3 minutes easily.

TDCHI - No, man, we get your point....Did he trust EDSTROM the other night?..the EDSTROM who has been no great shakes either this year? Did he really trust Carrick? who get more ice time because of the PK and hopping on to take FOs?..Same with anybody on the 4th line in tight games..The top six blew the other night, the kid line was the best,,and yet the 4th line gets a shift at the end of the 1st period--all 3 of them--and they almost get a goal, draw a penaklty, which leads to a PPG....But then kinda get mothballed..and not becasue of Rempe....No matter which of the five are on the 4th line, they need to be played more..or find new players that he will play more...Solution might be ZCRAP to 4th center!!!!..That said, tonight is as good a chance as any for ZBAD to awaken...which is 200X more important than the 4th line mole hill

Off topic sort of, and about the offseason, cup or no, good run or bad, Trouba who has a 15 team no trade list currently only has a 10 team list for next year. That makes it much easier to move him and likely increases the cost to get him. Let’s hope for a deep run and for sure a cup, with Trouba helping out when it counts most. Teams will line up to get him and likely overpay.

td: JBro gets stapled to the bench when it’s close as well. Hence his ice times being intermixed with all the other 4th line guys who have had on the biggest nights 2-3 now shifts. The 3:40 game Carrick played 4:34. So let’s not pretend it’s Rempe….and Rempe won more board battles the last game alone than JBro has won all season. Why is it that when it comes to every other guy that’s a big deal here, but when it’s Rempe vs JBro (at least recently) the ability is not important?

Seems like some of y'all don't get it, re: REMPE. And this has ZERO to do with my opinion of the guy...FACT: LAVIOLETTE doesn't trust him when the game is on the line. Simple as that. Indisputable. Dude has yet to skate more than 7:30 in a game, and that was in a win. Against Utah? Three minutes. Against Washington? Five minutes. So it doesn't matter what you think of him, if the coach ain't gonna play him. Take a look at BRODZINSKI's minutes and it's a different story. Usually he's between 8 and 9 minutes...still not great and suggests the fourth line isn't getting as much action as it should...but shows that he's at least trusted to play beyond the first or second period...Like him or not, he gives the Rangers four lines LAVIOLETTE will play. And I can't even begin to tell you how critical that is against teams that have forwards who can move...like Ottawa...But even against ones that aren't fast...you can see how much of a clusterfuck skating guys 20, 22 and 24 minutes becomes. It's basically saying that you want to lose.

RF4L - Several things. First is that it's clear LAVIOLETTE is tweaking things to get more production at 5-on-5. They were pure powerplay merchants last season, and that just doesn't work in the playoffs...second, the injury to LINDGREN has all the D pairings fucked up. I mean, the dude has literally played with FOX since the 2017-18 WJCs, and now we're breaking them up? Oh and let's also take into consideration that MILLER has literally been paired with TROUBA for HIS whole career of four years. SO now we're going to rejigger everything? Stupid, stupid, STUPID. Especially at a time when the forwards are pushing the offense....Third is that I think the team got a little smitten with itself and its offensive prowess. It's fine and dandy to play loosey goosey with the friggin' hapless Canadiens...but when you have guns like OV and REINHART and TKACHUK on the ice? No fucking way...anyway, I think being 1-2 over the past three is a little humble pie for them...and let's be honest: A 2-1 win against the Ducks isn't exactly anything to write home about.

andrei: LOLOL. Agreed for sure on Ottawa - if the Rangers play like they have lately, it won't be pretty and if they salvage a point, it'll be because of Igor. Won't be very much fun to watch, either.

Once again, looks like the useless turd JBro is in the lineup. We got our answer. Rempe was the reason on why team played like shit on Wednesday. Who wants to bet that ZShit will play on the 1st PP unit? Lavi is starting to look like another clueless coach, whose universal answers to everything are always swapping 6th d-mand and the 4th line wingers. Don't sleep on Sens. They are playing well. Free-willing Rangers could be looking at another loss tonight, if they continue playing defense-free style. Forget physicality, who needs that. JBro is to the rescue..

So in considering those dubious stats, WTF is going on? Is this a house of cards? Or simply a slow early season start?

Yikes, this had better be addressed or it'll be 85 and counting next spring: The Rangers allow the sixth-most attempts at five-on-five and the eighth-most shots per 60:00. They have the fifth-worst expected goals ratio, they have allowed the sixth-most scoring chances and the fourth-most high-danger chances.

Quite frankly, I think the Rangers need to take a hard look at rejiggering their lines. I guess I'd give the old way one more go tonight...but unless the team pops? I think it's time to take a fresh look...Admittedly, I think some of what we're seeing...the overall defensive lapses...are LAVIOLETTE trying to get more juice from the squeeze at 5-on-5...but if they lose tonight? This is what I'd do: Give KAKKO-ZIBANEJAD-LAFRENIERE a spin. This gets LAF back to his natural side. And TBH, I think what Z may need is a couple younger guys to buzz the net...with PANARIN and TROCHECK, I'd move Bread over to the right and get KREIDER on that line. That introduces a new element of speed. I know PANARIN probably wouldn't like it much, but the dude is all over the ice anyway...I'm not super pumped about SMITTY Jr.-CHYTIL-CUYLLE, but I have a feeling that'd be a pretty decent line. I guess if PANARIN was grouchy about moving wings, you could get SMITTY Jr. on that line, bump KREIDER down the left of CHYTIL and get CUYLLE on the right side...he's played there plenty of times before...and TBH brutally honest? I would REALLY like to see EDSTROM-CHYTIL-CUYLLE...especially when VESEY comes back...fourth line? I'll say this: Play anyone LAVIOLETTE is comfortable skating 10-11 minutes a night. Don't give a shit who they are. CARRICK has been fine. BRODZ has been fine...REMPE? Well...Let's just say they're 0-2-1 with him in the lineup...but if LAV will commit to him playing 10 minutes? Let's go. My personal belief is that GROULX or BERARD would be much better suited for that role. But who asked me.

I know he was a wall whipping boy and all, but I would've happily taken ROSLOVIC at $2.8 million versus SMITTY Jr. for $3.2 million, and the Penguins holding out goddam second and fifth round picks. At the risk of being hyperbolic myself, I just haven't seen the value in SMITTY Jr. yet. Not bad, mind you. Just not the cog that will make the BROMANCE line pop. I woulda taken him as a UFA...but to pay for him? It wasn't smart. But who knows. It's early in the season and anything can happen.

RF4L - The hyperbole of Ranger fans knows no bounds. Look. I've said for years that K'Andre MILLER is a very good defenseman who does, at times, have his shortcomings. He had a bad game, that's all. He'll have more of them. But he's a very, VERY good defenseman, and if the Rangers tomorrow decided to move on from him, they'd have 31 teams asking what the price is...Plays like the one AVERY is drunkenly carping about are nothing new with K'Andre. I remember watching one just like that in the WJCs and, for that matter, in Wisconsin. Here's the thing: If he goes in the corner, frees the puck and goes bolting down the wing? What does AVERY say then? Because he also does that a lot. And that's when I hear the hyperbole in the other direction...'oh, this guy looks like a young Nick LIDSTROM...' He misplayed the puck. Big fucking deal. Cut the guy some slack. To sit there and cry about how he's soft is just silly...oh and another thing? If we're talking defense lapses?! Sweet lord, Adam FOX had enough of them to fill a goddamn dumpster.

“Without pop, it is difficult to snap and crackle on attention to detail.”….https://nypost.com/2024/10/31/sports/rangers-goalies-cant-camouflage-teams-defensive-metrics-forever/

While I love taking the word of a prima dona jackass whose stupidity, apathy and overall poor character played him into retirement for no other reason than to work for a fashion magazine and harass any motorist looking at the bike lanes in NYC, I will remind that #21 white is a fellow named Aleksi PROTAS. All 6'6 and 230 pounds of him...And that while a fucking human trashcan like Sean AVERY...who is too stupid to figure out how to capture video...may have SOME insight into what's going on...he's far from what one could even loosely consider an authority...MILLER had a bad game. No doubt. But this BS with him being soft or not having "hockey IQ" is just fucking over the top.

RF4L - The physical part of MIller came out the last third of last year..He was solid and physical in the POs with few mental lapses..That's who we want again....But, he seems to be the type of player that needs to be in the right place mentally (partner, role, etc..) for everything to come together..just how i see it

Hospo: I think it's his IQ. His raw skills are so significant that, at time, compensate for it. I hope I'm wrong because if he does figure it out indeed he'd be an imposing dman. I think, however, he at least needs to start being more physical but we've been saying that about him since he broke into the league.

RF4L - I am not sure if it is MIller's IQ ,just that he has lapses or brain farts...I think they went away most of last year when he was comfortable with his D partner and his role..He obviolusly is not confident and comfortable with FOXY..Find the rigth partner--again--and I think we'll be happy with Miller as the season goes along...But, you know me, the eternal optimist...

Ranger47: Dunno about the best but those raw skills are indeed impressive and IMO obvious. However, as I've been saying for a few weeks now it seems his biggest failing is a lack of strong hockey IQ and if I'm right, that's something that is not correctable to any great extent. That said, maybe if the coach made him sit on the end of the bench when he does things like those 2 gaffes things might improve.

RF4L - I referred to that play several times yesterday..Inexcusable and pathetic for sure......But...MILLLER is so much better than that..and was late last year....and why I am not giving up on him.....I don't know why the soft crappy play now...He may have caught whatever disease ZBAD has, as did a few other forwards...In any event, I can't see pairing MIller up with the defensively weak Fox as the answer...I am not getting Laviolette at all with his defensive parings..Lindgren-Fox Miller-Troubs...Mancini-Schneids .or switch triubs and schneider......We'll see tomorrow when playing a hard working fast team

During the Caps game P.K. Subban was going on and on saying that Kandre has the skills to be the BEST D in the league - and even better than Fox! Couldn't believe my ears!

Hospo: It was a play where the puck was along the wall on MIller's side and he had a bead on it but the Cap player got there at the same time and Miller attempting to avoid hitting him, attempted a stick check. It didn't work and then he was beat to the net for a Cap goal. Two massive lazyass gaffes in 30 seconds. Both are inexcusable but Lardiolette doesn't seem to care. And he's playing for a new fat contract. I maintain my stance: If someone comes a-calling and offers up a nice return for K'Andre Huber, Drury needs to seriously consider it. A young top 6 centre would be really nice especially given Zecline's decline and the fact that he and Trocheck are the same age. Now imagine if Chytil gets hurt again? That ain't no cup contending strength at centre, that's for sure.

RF4L - Can't see it...and hate Avery..but he also did a hilarious take on the apathetic DJ ZBAD a week or two ago..

https://x.com/NYRFanatic/status/1851646415342031122/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1851646415342031122&currentTweetUser=NYRFanatic. I'm no Avery fan but look at this. K'Andre Huber

RF4l/STEVIE - Laviolette's quotes sure doesn't sound like it is much of a merit system and sounds like he is treating ZZERO with kid gloves probably because he knows how mopey/moody/fragile he is...OTOH a strong message and kick in the ass might be better...But, he's the coach...one of the oldest in the league..so, he should know...we'll see

The bottom 25 ice times of the season are Rempe, Edstrom, Carrick, Jbro....and the times are not that far off from each other really. 2-3 shifts difference game to game. save a couple outliers. This idea that Rempe is not used when he is out there but JBro is...its hogwash...JBro gets a couple more shifts, that's it.

TDCHI - No, I get your point, just don't agree with it when it singles out Rempe..All i know is I saw EDSTROM with his head up his ass and not providing any more than REMPE...Laviolette didn't use any of the 4th liners much, little faith in Edstrom and Remps, even Carrick at ES except as a FO guy..Where we agree is he needs to play the 4th line more..and that means finding players or finding confidence in players to give them 8-10 mins every night

And finally yes Lardiolette shares some blame too. He's got some old boys network roster manipulation tactics that bug me...

And yeah Laf was disappointing but P and T were equally invisible so given his age and pecking order on that line I'm prepared to let it slide. For now.

TD. Yes true. But I'm referring to beyond the Cap game. Z has been struggling so badly his 5 on 5 icetime is being reduced (finally). And Miller's brain farts are increasing.

Hospo - You're missing the point, re: REMPE, but yes. Five minutes of BRODZINSKI v. 5 minutes of REMPE...BRODZ would be marginally better and would've given them at least a better chance of scoring. REMPE, again, didn't play awful. I saw him get inexplicably tied up with EDSTROM several times...which to me suggests he was out of position...again, not surprise...The point is he added zippo to the game outside of his stupid tilt with McILRATH...but again...LAVIOLETTE doesn't have enough faith in him on that line to rotate it with the other three regularly...Those guys basically sat on the bench for all but maybe two minutes in second and third periods...The way you beat a team like Washington is with speed. Can't hit what you can't catch. Likewise, the one thing nobody seems to pick up on with the Panthers is that a rested team can forecheck like mad. Florida isn't built with a bunch of friggin' superheroes. They just have a coach who knows how to roll lines very quickly so that their forwards especially are fresh the whole game. The fact the Rangers got beat by a team that played four defensemen shows you how limp and sluggish they were the whole goddamn game. And part of that...a contributing factor for sure...is his utter unwillingness to play his fourth line.

Hospo unfortunately the culture is still the same for the Nyr. And the coach and his assistants are not changing it so far, along with DD drury.

Coach clueless…“Often, I’d say, they draw the tougher matchup,” head coach Peter Laviolette said of the Kreider-Zibanejad-Smith unit before the Rangers’ 5-3 loss to the Capitals in D.C. Tuesday night. “I think they’re looking for more [offensively], but they talk about it a lot, they watch a lot of video, and they’re all kind of students of the game. They want to get better.”….https://nypost.com/2024/10/30/sports/will-cuylles-impact-grows-as-questions-persist-about-rangers-top-line/

Stevie - This year, after the first few games, they have been saved by IGOR and the work/effort of the Kid line..Big Country better be coaching this week

Too bad the Mets didn’t get to play the Yankees for the World Series. The Yankees did a Nyr crash and burn in the postseason. It’s become a NYC tradition.

Lb..”They have been getting away with lax work on the defensive side of the puck pretty much since the season commenced. The Rangers have been saved by their elite offensive talent at one end and by the elite work of Igor Shesterkin at the other end of the ice.”… it’s been longer than just this season. The coaches seem to live with it.

NYS - Could be...Hockey Reference lists it as Vittorio Mancini...It's probably wrong though, but i like it!

I can’t even talk about the Yankees. I am still pissed at Joe Torre for 2004. Talk about bad managing. This current group just is missing something. Sounds familiar, right?

OK..anybody flip over to the KIngs-Vegas game? Kevin FIALA, KOPITAR and the KIngs are stomping them..The same 70 point scorer FIALA who was scratched the last game (I know, discipline was involved, but still)...and the 37 year old KOPITAR who just keeps on playing non-banging but hard working good two way hockey year after year..I hope BOTH Laviolette and ZBAD are watching to get some ideas

I have never seen an inning like the fifth inning in a World Series….The Judge drop was something you won’t see for years…

Hospo/RF4L, hahaha I saw the acknowledgment-thank you Gentlemen. I’ve been trying to reply but I still see the server issues are still ongoing. I also see that there isn’t any admin as I thought a situation was going to be addressed but I still see not yet.

I feel for you Yanks fans..Always my second team (I wanted to be Jake Gibbs as a kid) and the Bums my most hated..Sucks

Hospo- Disaster 5th inning. 5 unearned runs with 3 errors. Then more mental f ups in the 8th.

CM - WTF happened? I left for the Gym with the Yanks up 5-0 and I just turned it on and they are trailing 7-6 going into the bottom of the 9th

Anyone interested in watching the 1961 expansion Mets..turn on the Yankees game right now holly shit ..

TDCHI - Oh yeah, that REMPE choice really screwed things...Johnny Brodz would have changed things! Better yet bring up some schmuck named Bo Groulx..:)... Still lets not forget EDSTROM with his head up hiss ass on the first goal...That aside, 4th line played fine for the most part and should have been used more...That said, I agree that Laviolette was part of the problem last night with the defensive pairings ..and way too much ice time too the TRO (who sucked too) and ZFLOAT lines....Where we really agree is on MANCINNI...Was very, very good last night..Plays well above his age/experience...solid, physical defensively, confident offensively, and makes the right reads and choices.......THose years in Sweden/Frolunda probably helped.....Even better, I read that his full first name is VITTORIO..which I like even better!!!

TDCHI - The problemwith y'alls and You guys's is nobibody knows who the fuck you are talking to...Personally, I slammed the erstwhile top two lines ad nauseum last night..all six sucked and played pretty, prancing hockey...If ZSHIT wasn't the worst, he was close to it..and has been every game this year..so he deserves it....On the D, my eye tells me MILLER ws the worst and his quitting on a play is as bad as it gets....Now, Fox was just as bad and weak defensively.....and they all had their bad moments including SCHNEIDER...But, you know what, they were constantly under siege because the minute eating forwards (except the kid line) blew chunks...

And RF4L, that chart don't lie. Look at the name at the bottom. That fucker played 18 minutes and didn't register ONE shot. LAFRENIERE's stat line: two hits, ZERO shots, one give away and one blocked shot, -2. Probably the reason you're not realizing how bad he was last night is that he was INVISIBLE.

LOL and the two best defensemen in the game? SCHNEIDEDR and MANCINI? 15 and 16 minutes respectively. So yeah. The guy who really sucked last night? I mean REALLY sucked? LAVIOLETTE. He basically threw that game with his stupid decision making, starting with getting REMPE into that game for five stupid minutes and ending with him putting THE WORST line in the game out there for essentially four of the last five minutes of the game.

Oh and I didn't even get to bench management. Z, for as terrible as everyone thinks he was, only got 16 minutes of ice. TROCHECK and PANARIN got 24 and 21 inexplicably...and what did they do? Turnover the puck and miss the net. Oh and not play a fucking lick of defense. Throw LAF right in with them, logging nearly 19 minutes and not doing one iota of anything to earn it.

RF4L - I'm saying if THEY are the guys you're singling out...you're not paying very much attention to everything else. I absolutely LOVE LAFRENIERE, but he was terrible. TROCHECK? Love him too. Talked him up YEARS before he was ever a Ranger. He was a disaster too. And PANARIN. Don't get me started there. The bottom line is the team came out and did exactly what they shouldn't have done, which is try to out Cap the Caps. You can't bring a hard-hitting smash-em-to-the-boards game against a team that is built to do that. They needed to play a fast up-tempo game and instead they went around trying to nail guys. And if you look at our top six? These aren't players designed for that kind of shit.

The biggest culprit in that loss? The fucking dipshit behind the bench, who continues to flirt with knowing how to coach, but then pulls out this kind of BS...Let's break it down: LAV called up REMPE from the minors for what? To square off against McILRATH...just like I said...and then shortwire the fourth line for the other 55 minutes of the game. Someone said he looked OK? I tell you what he looked like: COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE. He didn't do anything positive or negative. He was a punching bag for a few seconds. The BEST he accomplished last night was that he took the Caps down to four defensemen...of course, that was negated by essentially keeping the fourth line stapled to the bench and meaning the other three lines...especially the PANARIN line...got tons of minutes...Let's go there: If there was one group of forwards who were specifically bad, it was LAFRENIERE-TROCHECK-PANARIN. The were awful. LAF was invisible. PANARIN could handle the puck worth shit. And TROCHECK couldn't win a faceoff. I've never seen those three less effective than they were yesterday. KREIDER, outside of his tip, was another invisible man and he had SMITTY Jr. riding shotgun, making me recall the days when dipshit QUINN played his brother on wing. Want to knock Z? Go ahead. But you better list those other two right along side him because they sucked. Bad. OH...and while we're at it? Where was the buy in last night? In 60 minutes, the forwards had FOUR blocked shots. FOUR. And EDSTROM, who skated six minutes, had two of them. You say, the D musta had more? Well, outside of TROUBA? Nope. Your fucking goaltender takes 46 pucks and your five defenseman combined for FOUR blocked shots?! That is pathetic. That is a team that doesn't give a fuck about its tender or winning...I mentioned how the PANARIN line was HANDS-DOWN the worst? Six fucking giveaways they had. TROCHECK, who someone here was giving some sort of credit to, had THREE ALONE...which, crazy as it may seem, wasn't even the worst! That prize went to the fucking guy wearing a goddamn pillow around his face. Ryan LINDGREN. Why in the ever-loving FUCK is this guy playing right now? I look at that dude and I can't figure it out. If I'm a coach and one of my defensemen has his goddamn jaw was wired shut and two goddamn throw pillows tied to either side of it, I'm telling him to sit the fuck down and enjoy the IR. ESPECIALLY when you have a guy like JONES riding pine. The fact he's playing is totally asinine and just poor coaching all around. Get control and give people the hard message. In this case, it's heal up and come back without, at least, the throw pillows.

TD. Come on dude. Z and Miller to a lesser extent haven't been very good for more than the Cap game. I know you're a fan of both and therefore are looking to defend them bu...

It's literally hilarious how y'all single out MILLER and ZIBANEJAD when they weren't even the worst out there during last night's shitshow. I'm not going to say either one played well...they didn't...but there was a whole team of passengers last night. Don't believe me? Take a look. I'll write up my analysis later, but man...reading the wall this afternoon after watching last night's game, I really wondered whether maybe y'all just watched something different. I get it. Folks don't like Z and his contract. But sheesh. Be a bit more objective. Oh and the guy who was the absolute worst? Yeah...just happens to be the guy who signed a long-term contract:https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/1851447354827698326

Going beyond the record which on the surface looks good, I see too many guys having 'slow starts'. On D: Miller has been brain dead most games and looks very shaky, lindgren looks like he needs to put back about 10+ Lbs of muscle and get his game back before being shoved back on to NHL ice, Truba has only been OK because it is comparatively to the end of last year, and most worrying is how week and slow Fox has looked. When was the last time he dominated a game? Right before his big contract? Man, I am totally sick of watching him look like he just pushed an out of gas car 5 miles uphill to the nearest gas station after having to hustle back on a play for 10 seconds. And there is the Z issue. Can anyone make that line productive at 5 on 5? Definitely other issues but enough complaining for now ;-)

Few teams go far in the playoffs and do well the following year. Panthers did it. You need all in though not 3 or 4 players.

I hate being right but ZBAD isn't a cup player, heck neither is kreider but he serves a purpose at times he does mix in a bit but rarely. Not all players are willing to sacrifice for a cup it's that simple. I would say. Panarin, ZBAD, kreider, unsure about kakko or chytil. Those forwards either aren't going to do it or don't have the physical tools to do it like panarin and ZBAD and chytil..heck 5-8 million for 4-8 years is a dam good job lololol.

Hate to say I told you so on that douche Zhair. We can probably kiss any hope for a Cup goodbye if he can’t figure out how to be productive on this team . Not sure how that is accomplished with that contract. He should have been purged with some of the others after the letter but ‘competitive rebuild’ and all that BS. I really hope we all look back at this come June and laugh about how much crow some of us have to eat! But would not bet on it.

OR: Break up the top 9, spread / share the responsibility of an "still early enough in the season wake up call" --- Krieder/Trocheck/Smith --- Panarin/Chytil/Lafreniere --- Cuylle/Zbad/KaKKo

Did someone say put CARRICK in between Kreider & Smith, and ZBad on the 4th line?

E - Indeed ..the kid line (somebody come up with a catchy name!) can both win and possess the puck...and, now, can do something with it!..And two of them, Cuylle anc Chytl can also play on the rush...Even if they don't score or control, they give the D/IGOR a break...... OTOH, the "top two" lines are only providing one offs if even that..no compete, no possession, relying on skill...This is the coaches job to make sure they play a different way both offensive and defensive...You know, like they did for most of last year!

That Chytl line kills it in one area in particular: possession. They constantly have the puck. They have a big physical winger on one side and a guy who can lug the puck. In the middle you have a big guy who is hard to separate from the puck and if he gets loose will take off. And Chytl is not a passer. Give him the puck and he’s gonna shoot it

Hospo et al: I'm here to tell ya Zecline is Zecline. He ain't gonna suddenly turn the corner. Too bad given the coach's love for him not to mention his large cap hit for 6 more years AFTER this year!!

Oh and throwing hits is not the only way to be able to play physical hockey as shown by CHYTL and KAKKO constant involvement this year..but looking at the Rangers top 9 forwards, it is not a good sign for later in the year that Kakkao has 3 hits all year...CHYTL and Panarina 1 hit apiece and, drum roll and as to be expected, ZSOFT with ZERO, yes, ZERO.. Figure it out Meeka..hard work and involvement can often get players going

VCP - We will see a better MILLER with either Troubs or Schneids as his partner..But can't let that falling asleep/lack of effort happen again no matter who his partner is........OTOH, I was wrong about MANCINI not being ready..he has been solid as hell and has a nice 2-way game..And, yeah, this is likely LINDGREN's last year as a Ranger....A cup would be a good way to go!!

Miller may need adjustments he will be fine need patience. No he isn't trouba, no he isn't tom poti, He is still adjusting.

For everyone writing off this team, as I KNOW a few here are and also for those who are worried that they have had some issues early on here. Last season, after 10 games, Florida was 5-4-1 with 26 goals scored and 28 against. That record was good for 22nd overall, tied with the Yotes and behind the Ducks. Compare that to the Rangers, who in 9 games who are 6-2-1 with 37 goals for and 21 against. For a more direct comparison, 9 games in FLA was 5-3-1 with 24 goals scored and 23 against. Their net PP was 9.1% and their net PK was 75.8% compared to the Rangers 25.9% net PP and 93.1% net PK. 9 Games in last year FLA had 15 5v5 goals, this year the rangers have 24. They were 4 for 33 on the PP the Rangers are 7 for 27. I know it's a different season, I know they are different teams, I know they played different teams. I know the coaches are different all-around team to team and all that. I know it's not quite apples to apples, but still, the Rangers start is far and away superior to the start the Panthers had last season, and they turned out just fine, no? We are 11% of the way through the season. After next game we will be at 1/8th of the season completed. We as fans are already looking to the offseason, do you think that players don't have the same human failing? Ya need to get there first, right? But still, these games feel so distant from the real reason for playing, it has to be hard to find the extra gear at times, it has to be hard to find the desire to dive in front of a puck. I think the same thing happened to Florida last season, and then they started to feel the heat of looking up int he standings and started to hate losing again, and then got to it, and didn't really look back, the standings really were not a concern, they just didn't like to lose and played like it. Hopefully one of those games happens or already has happened to the Rangers, they could find an excuse for the Utah game, some weird stuff happened, they can find an excuse for the Florida game, Bob stood on his head, or they likely win that one, but last night? There is nothing to point to outside of their own locker room. By the way, Florida's second stretch of 9 games last season, they were 7-2-0...something woke them up, and maybe it was losing to Chicago in that 10th game of the season.

All summer long, my concern was that a good Ranger team with SMith and nothing else did not do enough to climb over the Florida hump, which is what it will all come down to in the POs. The other concern was that other teams in the East were following FLA's blueprint and were going to be harder to play on a nightly basis (not saying they are better)..Both have been obvious early in the season.......Now, I think we all thought a key to the Rangers success was big steps by KAKKAO, CHYLT and CUYLLE...Well, Thank God we are getting all of that......Yet, it is being offset by the utter garbage that ZSTINK and his line is putting out at ES every night........Hopefully, Laviolette finds a way to get through to ZDECAY so he can at least be a solid Top 9 C at ES while excelling at Special teams....Up to You Big Country

Hey Drew - reading an article in the Athletic about the middling start by the Islanders, most specifically the comments - almost every post is slagging fat Lou, rightfully so of course. Pretty funny.

I think lost in the worries about cap hits and pending RFAs is the pending deal for Will Cuylle. Yes, it'll be his 2nd contract so the Rangers have the leverage but if his start (3 goals, 8 points in 9 games and analytic numbers that are extremely impressive, not to mention he's 5th in the league in hits) is what his whole year will be, he's gonna deserve a lot more respect than squeezing him on a 1 or 2 year new deal. And if it's my choice who gets $5,000,000+ per it's him, not K'Andre Huber.

Rangers had better not approach the Otrawa game as an easy affair. Sens are improved. They are skilled too. And they just pounded the Blues 8 1.

The Zecline issues are obvious and warranted but should we also be concerned with Trocheck? 5 for 13 in FOs and a -2 and rather invisible lately. He's the same age as Zecline BTW...

The Caps have landed themselves a very good coach. Unlike GG and Lardiolette he's not a retread; he's young bright and innovative. When he was hired he was recognized as one of the brightest coaching minds in the business. So there's that going for the Caps.

I will say this . Not sure how it works or if it will last but … what a nice little re boot the caps did . I lump them with the pens as simply aging and washed but have no choice because Ovi is record chasing . It is early but they look like a formidable playoff team with the correct style .

Lb …https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/sports/concerning-rangers-problem-catches-up-to-them-in-loss-to-capitals/

Fox -3 miller -2 break them up . Put lindgren back with Fox. The blond hair is fitting for miller. The dye went to his brain. Phil back to the housely is not a good defensive coach. As usual this team is undisciplined. Hello lardiolette grow your hair and a pair.

MILLER has been bad, I admit, but I ain't giving up on him after what I saw late last year...he needs to stabilize with his new partner..Love the way he ran OV t the end of the game...but he needs to be much better and he can be (IMWO)...and, at least The YANKS WON!

Yep miller is digressing for sure.. maybe it's just a bad start. Mayy he can't take being a top 4 ?

Zbad blows - that’s all. Oh, and trade K’Andre for a young top 6 center if it’s available. Like now, before his value plummets for. No way do I pay him big money. Anothe let big softie tat has regressed over the last 2 seasons

Defense clap clap defense....not available please try again later. I wonder if it's playoff hangover and tiredness you get to the final 4 and you get 2 months off. Not really enough of rest???

PJ - Cool..and I agree, the kid line and the 4th line were positives....but...I honestly can't see Laviolette giving REMPS more than 5-7 minutes except in blow out..so I don't think he is long for the NHL club with Vesey almost ready

RF…I believe Laviolette knows he has a problem…Will be interesting to see how he handles it….No way to ignore it…

On the bright side, the reeking Penguins are in a free fall that has no bottom and DREW's team lost to the DUCKS!!!

Hospo. Yep. If this is who Z is now it could ruin the entire year depending on how it's handled.

And that the Caps did that without their best D-n=man abd only playin 4 and a half men is mind boggling..It's all on the top six forwards (well, Miller-fox also)

RF4L - It's very hard to address..The easiest is to just read ZBAD the riot act either publicly or privately..see if it wakes him the fuck up...and/or...Make sure through ice time or words that ZBAD-Kreids know they are the 3rd line or 3rd option and need to earn their time..If Laviolette is afraid to do it, i have no other options becasue trades aren't happening

I mean we see it. The media sees it (but won't write about it other than LB's sneaky click inducing article) and lots of fans see it. You know Drury and Lardiolette see it. How long and/or what will it take team wuse before it's addressed? And how do you address it? Too drastic and a huge distraction is created. What a mounting mess. Ugh.

The top six didn't even try to physically compete..just did shifty , tricky perimiter shit..that's a hell of a lot worse then then physically trying and just being stomped....Here's what we'll see..EDSTROM to the 1st line...SMITH qnd Vesey on the 4th with Carrickk..You heard it here..

Like that Trocheck doesn't mince words when things dont go well. @vzmercogliano · 23s Trocheck on the lopsided possession: "I think it’s just winning more one-on-one puck battles. They won the majority of those tonight, and that's what kept them in our end. There were more breakdowns that started on the walls (or) turnovers by us at the blue line."

5v5 stats7 for Zecline this season (Prior to tonight's game) 0.66 G/60 (T-212th) 0.66 A/60 (T-345th) 1.32 P/60 (T-304th)

PJ - In case that was for me, the 4th line was good..I was being sarcstic...But ZBLOWS, 16 minutes of nothing..well, not nothing, a negtive 3!!!!..Grow some balls you prick...But, the top line was no great shakes either...only 1 line that possesees the puck and drives to the net and, why, until this core is done..IGOR deserve 12 mil a year

Deserved loss. Without Igor double figures against. Physical teams continue to be their nemesis.

Finally split up Fox/ Miller... pls never again...if I am the coach Miller sits the next game .. no confidence in his play at all both Mancini and Jones deserve to be in .. anyone else notice the Craps puttin the puck in Miller's corner at every chance

So, a bad night for sure...but not for everyone. The Chytil line was very good tonight. Almost had two goals on top of what they scored. 4th Line was good IMHO, kept pressure up on the Caps, kept the puck down deep and created a few chances. All you can ask from your 4th line. Mancini had a really strong night IMHO. The worst player was by far Miller. Zib was up and down, but he did a lot more positive than Miller did. By the 3rd period Miller was visibly playing with no confidence. Maybe he needs to sit a night and clear his head. Smith had a rough night as well, outside of a couple shifts he wasn't very noticeable. Now I won't take away from him the fact that his PK was strong, he was not a mess off the puck, but he had opportunities to do stuff with the puck and just didn't. The Caps pressure got the Panarin line off its game and Trocheck was almost totally invisible, and that sort of spread to Laf and at time Bread, though Bread pushed the pace and at least made himself a threat...Laf and Trocheck just didnt. SO not all bad, but lots of bad. They need to have a good bounce back next game.

The Rangers have a defensive structure problem that will be their undoing if not addressed…And it isn’t just Z and Miller…

andrie - The top sic and most of the D did not play physical, not even close..OTOH, the kid line is a joy to watch!

ZSHIT is obviously a huge problem..but will SMITH be the scapegoat?.....We got 1st liner Vescey almost ready!! ANd Remps and the 4th line sucked tonight so he can go down to Hartford...Anything for ZBAD

Worst game was with Pampers. There, Rangers didn't even belong on the ice. This game, Rangers played physical, but they forgot to play defense.

The Top six should be fucking ashamed of themselves..pitiful, pitiful effort by all of tme..totally outworked and outplayed..It ws a Carbon copy of what the Panthers dod to the Rangers last year..with the Rangers top players cowering and wilting..esprcially ZSCARED

Extremely disappointing game…Ferraro loved it…Laviolette had some work to do and some butt’s to kick…

Can't win if your best line is the 2nd line, followed by the 4th line. terrible defense all around. Shesti kept them in the game, just like most games so far this season.

Remember when Adam Fox would take over hockey games and control the play? Pepperidge Farms remembers!

Stop complaining about the refs. The rangers are getting outplayed by a caps team. They have no business getting out played,

Ok, he was no where near that defender, what were the refs looking at? Were they caught up in looking at Mancini and then noticed a player down?

RF4L - To not give the Kid line more ice at the expense of ZFLOAT and his mates his crimi9nl

CM - That was the greatest thing about Fernando! I am a lifelong SF Giant fan and hate everything Dodger, but Valenzuela was hard to hate.!

Chytil 7 and half minutes. All 5 on 5. Zecline 10 and a half. 5 on 5 PK and PP. Will this vet stroking coach respond.

Rempe has been fine in the little time he has been out there…Effective on the forecheck..

I’m a die hard Yankee fan. Don’t watch a lot of baseball anymore, but man some of these guys just don’t look like athletes! And Was saddened by the passing of Valenzuela this week, but looking at footage of him from back then he looked like a guy who sits at the end of the bar eating junk food, not one of the most amazing pitchers ever!

KIS - I've said enough bad things about him tonight so I was trying to be nice! can't argue with ya!

This is what happens when the Rangers play heavier teams. Instead of playing with structure and simplifying their game they do the lazy things they get away with against lesser teams. I would rather the team struggle and play a sound system that is playoff ready. K Miller and Fox are just oil and water. Fox needs a stay at home defenseman who doesn’t brain fart. Only SCHNEIDER can tame that dude.

WILD - I kinda disagree on that, the Top line is a little less straightforward and more "tricky" then when they are at their best in the offensive zone..13 SOG is not acceptable....Games like this just get pucks and bodies to the net...Just an opinion

Hospo, he needs confidence.? Maybe he needs a Diddy party. Maybe then he will move his ass

Again, can't blame this game on Shesti. Other goaltender and Rangers are down by 4. That scorpion style save was SICK!!

Are MILLER and ZMOPE Road roomates? Something has to explain the horrid pansy ass play of both

andrei: The Bread line is clearly off, but it's not from effort...they are just not working together. The norm for those 3 is as if they are all parts of the same monster, tonight they look like 3 individuals.

Panerin's line is really bad tonight defensively. All three forwards are off. 4th line actually looks good, surprise surprise.

rngsfan - to me, tonight, it's all the lack of compete of the top six and Miller and FOX, who is looking just as bad defeinvely s he did last years POs....All thai said..Down 1 goal, play your asses off and take the game..Does the top six want to???

Not the answer I wanted to see.. no improvement in compete.. and lost on D zone coverage.. and again our wingers are useless along the wall .. just lose battle after battle

Top line abused again and almost cost them ..The Top six gotta get their heads out of their collective arse

gosh do I hate Miller...put him on the wing... the dman experiment should be over...

What the fuck is wrong with this team? And the coach needs to address that so-called top line. Unbelievable

Hospo….I don’t believe he thinks he is playing poorly….I really don’t…

To me, the lack of discipline is secondary to the lack of effort/will/compete of the top 2 lines...putrid, insignificant, attempting to be pretty....Ditto with Fox and Miller

I put 0 blame on our goalie in this game. When you play this loosely with stick checks and giveaways you can’t expect the goalie to be perfect. Without SHESTY they are losing by 3 or 4 goals.

Most undisciplined game I have seen the Rangers play in a long time…Laviolette should be ripping them good…

The good part is our 12 million & man is making a case for us to save some money

Is this site having issues. I tried the whole first period couldnt get ok. Why is mika on the PP. When is the last time he acored on that one timer? Bread should be there on that half board. Miller sucks as well. Fucking no intenisty. Tesm is extremelt sloppy toniggt

This is a horribly coached game and a horrible played game and you’re playing a team like this. You need to be way more responsible in both ends of the ice. This is absolutely embarrassing for the team and for the coach.

Gotta say that stick handoff as and shot pretty cool...That ZBAD one timer thing on the PP just doesn't do it for me all the time

OK...now that was pretty awesome...I mean grab a stick on the fly from the bench kick the puck to your stick as you adjust it and get a scoring chance...

Mancini is my man… I’m actually OK with trading Miller as long as we get a good haul because between Mancini and Jones we’ve got a good D cor

SIT MILLER'S ASS DOWN .. in way over his head ... and folks complain about Jones' D play .. FFS

kandre Miller should be tradrf for young center help.. mancini trajectory is much higher

and that pass...I didnt think that was Mancini...good lord that kid is more than expected.

Now back to what I was going to post just before that..Miller is haveing a hell of a rough night...

Z got manhandled by DUBOIS but at least he attempted to be relevant in the D zone.

WILD - In my opinion, SCHNEIDS-MILLER were the best Rangers D pair at the end of the year and in the POs.MIller-troubs re good earlier in the year

I like Shesty a goalie, but honestly, he’s a little too cocky for my liking. His cockiness causes some confusion in the Dzone and that’s not good for our players or our team.

That sure was a crap call on Lindgren...but slashing a stick and breaking Kreider's stick on a breakaway is nothing at all.

Hospo: Schneider Miller was not the best pairing. The Rangers scored LESS goals and were scored on MORE with them vs Miller Trouba. High danger chances against were also higher against and lower for. Thats all per 60 at even strength. And that's compared to a pair that people here swore was terrible.

ZBAD looks happy!!..We'll take it..The hard work of the 4th line drawing the penalty made that all possible

Zib with the nice pass there...goalie was cheating to "shot" there. Next time Zib needs to shoot near side, because the goalie will cheat to pass I bet.

FOX was bad also..terrible pairing..Is it just me, or wasn't SCHNEIDER-MILLER our best D pair late last year???

Seriously, everybody sees it on every Ranger board, ZBAD does nothing but cruise, float, and avoid contact/traffic areas...While he is not my cup of tea, he has never been this petrified and insignificnt before, even during his usual disappearnce acts...Something is wrong in either mind, body....or heart...

PJ, question for you. Is it just Miller, or he is covering for Fox, who is off to a very slow start.

On the positive side..CUYLLEEEEEEE! ZMOPE better come out on fucking fire or just leave him in the locker room

The problem with Z now is he isn’t good defensively….His line didn’t score at ES enough but now they get pinned in the D zone continually….He is really a liability right now….

Wild, on that 3rd goal ZCrap was floating one again, and by doing that, he missed his defensive assignment which is why player that scored was wide open.

Zeolite. That's funny and fitting. The funny thing with Rempe is he's not a fighter, he does it to make the team and that's commendable to play with that attitude and drive.

SO something to put a smile on anyone face...the 2 for 26 or whatever on the PP Ducks, have 2 PP goals in two tries tonight against the Islanders doubling their PP output at 4-28.

A meaningless fight..then really weak play by EDSTOM…and bad goal by IGOR...Then the kid line..great pass by KK..then God, I love CUYLLE!!.......and then weak ass fox and ZSLEEP line screw the pooch…. then Schnieds and the top guys get abused….Horrible start….At least the 4th line drove to the net and almost scored at the end of the period…and drew a penalty……..GOD I am so sick of ZBAD right now….almost as sickening as having to hear that clown SUBBAN

Stop blaming Miller all the time, that goal is 1000% on ZCrap and partially on Fox. In reality, Miller-Fox pair have being one of the best Rangers pairings in like 10 years.

If Zbad is pissed! Good! He deserves to be pissed with his own play. Honestly, he needs to be demoted or traded. He’s may be a good defensive specialist, but not at the amount that he makes per year. He should be pissed at himself and stop. Blame other people for his issues

Not a great period that's for sure. But they got better as it progressed. I know the default is supposed to be hate ZIb, but the 3rd goal wasn't his fault...and don't tell me he didn't go hard towards the end of the period there. Something that has been missing more than not this season, he even played the body along the wall. The 4th line is just as good, but harder to handle with Rempe in there. I am sorry, JBro just doesn't bring all that much to the ice. Rempe has had a nice game. I know some hate the fight, but once back on the ice he won a board battle, he made a nice pass up the ice that led to the scoring chance and a penalty drawn at the end of the period there after he got his stick to the puck before Carlson could. That wasn't against a bunch of NHL/AHL tweeners, he was out there after an icing against some of the most talented guys in the NHL over the last few years.

I thought the Ranger game would be more enjoyable than the World Series. Ugh. Horror night double feature!

Horrible period…Z line horrible and Miller gives me anxiety…The fight gave the Caps a boost if anything….The poor D zone play nothing new but Igor not standing on his head this time….

Messier giving love to McI. Good. Rangers fucked him over. Another gaffe courtesy of the Nob for Life regime.

Enough of Miller.. just put Lindgren back with Fox .. the kid Mancini has better hockey sense.....interested to see how this team responds after a complete Cluster F**K of a period.. give aways not competing running into each other and fallin down like it's a 5 yr old Pee-Wee game

I don't recall a player declining right in front of our eyes faster then ZShit. He looks worst with each game. But of course he is not "happy" about his playing time.... https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/sports/mika-zibanejad-not-thrilled-with-reduced-rangers-minutes/

Part of the problem is the Z line needs to be the 3rd line . Coach needs to rip that band aid off.

Couldn’t see the wall. My thoughts: Ferraro. Why must we always get this schmuck? He can’t hide his joy. Z line was horrible but Miller with some brain farts. Z line did just have a good shift but Rangers getting beat to the puck.

tdchi says caps are slow as fuck... but thus far are skating circles around the Rangers

Agreed on Zecline. He's gonna force management into a not very comfortable position/decision.

Another brutal game by ZShit. Two goals are 100% on him. Both time missing defensive assignment.

Not sure the Z line should see the ice this period. I’m done with that dude unless he miraculously changes his ways. The PANARIN line wasn’t much better. Stick checks, giveaways, not taking the man… they had the trifecta of bullshit in this period.

TD. If the Rangers triumph in June then AFAIC Drury will deserve the accolades he gets but with the recognition of Squishface's contributions (in my view).

I am the unfortunate deal of having to travel. Not as bad as pre-COVID but Im still in the air way too often. I always look to make connections in places the Rangers are. Sometimes I’ll leave a day early. I am still working on getting to every arena in my life. Not there yet but Im working on it.

I only like the balanced schedule because I used to have to wait 3 years to see the Rangers live out here in Colorado. Selfish but I like it. And the Tanger Fan Community at those games are a highlight of the year for me. This year I am also traveling to Dallas where my daughter lives and Utah for the first game in Salt Lake. And maybe another game in May depending on playoff success!

vcp1994 - Probably jinxing myself and the Rangers here, but I see the Caps as very poorly matching up. They are a hard-hitting team, and they've got a very strong defense...sans McILRATH...but they also don't have much speed and their third line...VRANA-SGARBOSSA-MAGIOPANE...will get eaten alive by the Rangers' third line...in short, the Rangers' speed, skill and depth is just so much above Washington right now that they really should be able to handle them...Washington is what I'd like to call a Florida-lite. They brought in all these heavy hitters and are, for sure, a bruising bunch. But man, I can't see that their fastest guy is any quicker than the slowest guy in the Rangers' top nine...and when we move to D? Sheesh. The disparity is even greater. But if the Rangers come out and coast like they did against Florida? Gonna be a tough game for them. Washington will move this to a board battle and that'll be an issue.

RF4L - Well, tough to say, re: SATHER v. GORTS...SATHTER'S last years as "GM" were really just that...he was signing off on GORTON'S work...my understanding was really from the time GORTS came aboard until he left, he was the defacto GM and Sather was more or less rubberstamping what he was doing with the blessing from ownership...but that said? Yeah...if you're the last approval, you bear just as much culpability as the guy who cooked up the deal...but that's kind of what I'm saying...like say the Rangers win the cup this season. Is DRURY the architect? Welp...that'd be hard to argue, since the core here, sans SMITH, CARRICK, VESEY, TROCHECK and QUICK, was all assembled/drafted by his predecessor. Kinda like with SMITH. Yeah, he got more pieces into the mix on that one. But Craig PATRICK brought in RICHTER, LEETCH, SANDSTROM, GRANATO, DAHLEN, James PATRICK and VANBIESBROUK...Take away LEETCH alone and no cup. Ditto with RICHTER. And all those other guys ultimately brought in guys who were critical...so it gets tricky. Hard to say one way or another who is directly responsible...As I said...if they win this season? DRURY's name goes on the Cup again. Does he deserve to be there with all the fucking horrible moves he made? Good question. But he'll be there either way. And if that happens...he'll be revered as the best GM since SMITH(much to vcp1994's chagrin!)...so I guess as they say, to the victor go the spoiles...and history is only written by the side that wins.

TD: Yes agreed it's not an exact science when it comes to rating GMs. Smith did win the cup then did a whole bunch of dumbass moves after. Gorton's drafting record until after the Andersson and Krapsnot drafts is spotty at best and yeah, the McD/Miller deal turned out to be a disaster but more than balanced by trades getting Zbad and the haul for Nash. As I said previously, it's Sather's longevity that really burns his record. Not much done in 20 years. BTW, it wasn't Gorton engineering the MSL trade; it was Sather and that's a classic - trading away 2 firsts for an aging forward who's biggest contribution was having his poor Mom pass away during the Penguin PO series.

Really tough to assess GM...Like REALLY. If the gold standard...which is should be...is winning the Cup? Every Ranger GM since and before Neil SMITH absolutely sucked, with the verdict still out on Chris DRURY...But if you're going by the moves each made? And you line up the traded...rank each? Neil SMITH is one of the absolute worst GMs this team has seen. Almost a full decade of making shitty trades that left SATHER with a pile of shit by the time he came a long...And FFS, the deal GORTON made with the Lightning to move McDONAGH and MILLER? Or to land a year of Marty ST. LOUIS? Man, that puts him right up there with FERGUSON moving Rick MIDDLETON...and then there's the draft...Like DRURY thus far has been a total boob when it comes to trades...but the guy has ran the draft table very well...or at least it seems...GORTON had some really bad years...and some good ones...SMITH drafted some good talent...but traded most of it away for mercenaries. Craig PATRICK was, perhaps the most acclaimed Ranger GM at the draft table...grabbed just an absolute stable of excellent players over his tenure...but then Trader Phil moved most of them, and what few were left, were liquidated by SMITH...So yeah...if your only measure is the Cup? Neil SMITH is the only one worth his salt.

VCP - Edge to Caps in What? The rangers have the type of players that can play any game if laviolette wants to..The one exception, and it's a big one, being ZFLOAT..Why the kid line and the 4th should play more until he gets his head out of his pansy ass..Anyways, One thing the caps don't have, and 90% of the teams in the NHL don't either, is a destroyer like TROUBA

Tdchi yep might as well after election day lolol. That's it for me no more election day talk. I forgot about maclrath he is a tough cookie..Wilson and him = ouch..trouba , edstrom, rempe, cuylle edge to caps ..

RF4L - But, seriously, the Canucks have to (or should) find out if they have a goalie first given DEMKO's injury..

RF4L - And so would the Rangers be if they traded one away! :)..well untuil they made You happy and dealt 2 #1's at the deadline for the cup run

RF4L - I look forward to games agasint the Caps and Isles...I hate this balanced schedule crap..Miss the rivalaries..Hell, we don't play NJ until December and the Bruins until January....Anyways, the talent gap between the Caps and our Rangers is HUGE..but the Caps are just a simple, hard working team with a lot of physicality (but no speed) on the backend..but they work, work and work...won't make it east..but if you have the talent AND work (looking at you ZSLEEP) it shouldn't be an issue

BTW, interesting week starting tonight for the Rangers. Other than FLA, which turned out to be a mess, the toughest test to date. Washington is playing well and will, of course, look to hit the Rangers. Ottawa while last in the Atlantic is at 500 and looking considerably more impressive vs last year. They are fast and skilled. And the Islanders as they always do, will look to intimidate the Rangers. How will the Rangers respond?

vcp1994 grabs gasoline, propane tank and some C4...dumps it on dumpster-full-of-tires fire...

vcp: Esposito might have been worse; the problem with Nob for Life was his longevity. He just went on and on and on due to his snowing and blowing of Dolans - 20 years for crying out loud and he got to the final once. Meanwhile he made the Rangers the laughing stock of NA professional sports in the years he ran up the team's salary cap to over $90,000,000 and failed to make the POs. Sure, he hired Gorton. But he also hired the likes of Bryan Trottier and Ron bLow and himself!

Anyone have tix to the Dec 9th game vs. Blackhawks? Prices on stubhub are insane. Taking my middle daughter who’s my biggest Ranger fan to NYC for some holiday festivities - bday trip. Thanks in advance!

No doubt, Sather has a checkered history with the Rangers and it included some of the worst, most listless teams New York has seen...His first real stab at a team resulted in that pathetic 2002-03 squad...ME$$IER's retirement tour...Yes, HOLIKENSTEIN, Snoop Dogg CARTER, Bobo the Circus Clown MIRONOV, trading for LINDROS' last handful of brain cells...Trading for Pokechek POTI...and in the process moving some decent homegrown talent like Kim JOHNSSON, the travesty of trading Brian LEETCH...Missing in Marek ZIDLICKY...He dealt assets for Pavel BURE's one good knee...and man, did he swing and miss at the draft...A LOT...in all rounds...but Sather also brought the Rangers back to the Conference Finals. He drafted LUNDQVIST. He was the architect of the 2011-12 team, which was really the first time since the mid 1990s that anyone thought of the Rangers as anything less than a retirement comedy club for aging stars...He was also technically still GM in the 2014 cup run...and as much as I truly believe Jeff GORTON was responsible for that team, the guy that hired him? Glen SATHER. Like it or not, the Rangers TODAY are still a bi-product of his tenure...and really...if you look at how successful this team has been really since 2011-12...It's hard to say the guy was just an incompetent idiot...Like if you want to see true incompetence? Just look west to Buffalo, where they've now watched Sam REINHART, Jack EICHEL and Ryan O'REILLY raise the cup in quick succession. Now don't get me wrong: I wouldn't advocate for a statue of Sather to be posted outside the Garden...but for all his fuckery, he had his good moments.

vcp1994: I remember the first time I saw Holik in the Rangers jersey and it looked like he shrunk 4 inches and lost 25 pounds . It was crazy

Folks keep on saying REMPE is up and in the lineup to guard against Tom WILSON. Almost, but not quite. There's another 'young' player in the mix who likes to throw down. Might remember him: Dylan McILRATH. He's not nailing down regular shifts, but he's apparently their guy until Matt ROY comes back. WILSON is the guy to watch for in the crease...and that's why MANCINI will likely be back in...to get some size...but the guy to watch for along the boards is definitely Big Mac. He's throwing hits like he's always thrown them. I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him and REMPE throw down.

Cnparda - Signing STROME was a good, low-risk move that paid off well for them...another guy who shows why you don't turn your back on high-drafted talent just because they're not lighting up the league at 23-24...but the Caps did more than that...they definitely did a quick and nice retool last season...did it EXACTLY the right way by really tightening up their D and middle...getting CHYCHRUN, DUBOIS and DUHAIME. Matt ROY too...and as bad as DUBOIS' contract is, it's still better than Darcy KUEMPER's deal...I'm not sure they have what it takes to go very far this year, but they have LEONARD, CHESELY and a few other real nice prospects in the pipeline...seem to have a decent tandem with LINDGREN and THOMPSON...Sadly, they've got a fantastic farm team that wins all the time and just churns out replacement players.

Vcp. Sather lucked into the perfect storm as a GM. His true accomplishment was being the head coach when Edmonton won their 4 cups. From there he entered the GM offices and won zero championships in 30+ years including 2 or 3 stints overseeing Team Canada. He

More on sather since I'm in a shitty mood.gomez, holik, redden..God sather was awful I sometimes think he just stepped in holy water in Edmonton. There is no other explanation.

Yes dolan spends but so did steinbrenner who almost screwed up the Yankees if not for gene Michael. Heck steinbrenner wanted Jeter gone..dolan has helped the rangers not win a cup. Sather was the number 1 worse GM president in our history at least one of the worst.

rf: I don't recall you ever saying anything positive about Dolan (MSG). The man opens his wallet every year and is willing to max out on the Knicks & Rangers. In your defense, Sather should have been shown the door 15 years ago...

RF- yup. Did it earlier this summer as well. Be nice if people who only come by once in a while stick to hockey. At least the regulars 99% of the time are talking Rangers!

Not a Yankee fan but it would be nice for them to not lose..anyone on this wall able to pitch??

The wall is crumbling. Endless server fuckups followed a slew of nasty dumbass political shit. Shane on rfc for not monitoring and those engaging in the latter.

It’s like watching the Panthers shut down the Rangers in the ECF. Having Fat Joe open for the Yanks started the debacle!

Ugh- who the fuck brought politics in this safe place. Whomever it is, don’t care, stop, we get enough of this shit everywhere else. I live and work in the DC area and I am over it. Love yall but man, focus on hockey and this good but not yet great team of ours.

mf-any comparison of Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler is both intellectually lazy as well as insulting to the memories of the millions who were killed by the Adolf Hitler regime it is A disgusting analogy and although I suppose people have the right to say whatever they choose to, I also have the right to say what I choose to, and I did so let the facts speak for themselves, and the facts clearly refute that comparison on every level

The CAPS are a lot more than Tom WILSON these days. They retooled smartly and will be in the POs again. The STROME trade really paid off for them.

VCP - while "goon" is definitley in REMPs tool set. I think he's more then that..But, I agree that Laviolette only partly trusts him....or just doesn't think he is good enough to be dressing for all opponents..How he feels for BRODZ also but not EDSTROM (right now)

Hospo I mean goon on the sense of he isn't really a player yet the lavy trusts. Wilson can play that's a fact.

RF4L Hell yeah..becasue I fell in love with a Dancing Queen! Ok, not really, just trying to divert the convo....

TDCHI - Not being a whippersnapper like you, I lived through the 60"s and let me tell you this, that message was nowhere to be found in the 60's!!!! Everybvody then knew The Habs or Leafs would win The Cup..TH entire thing was rigged..Then the late 60's and early 70's came and the message, please don't let the Bruins and FLYERS beat the shit out of us..and then AYFKM The Isles are better than us???

Penalty called.... Wilf Paiement will gooooo........ said in my best Sam Rosen voice....

You’re full of shit with your message hammerhead. You are not getting away with this nonsense. You’re in the wrong fucking site. Go to your comrades’ sites . You’re not getting the last word on this.

Hospo: Ditto, Esposito never belonged on the NYR's and solidifies Boston in the #2 slot on the hate-list behind PHIlthy for many of us...

Oh and for your edification, MY "message" is that the Rangers have one hell of a team that has resulted from cultivating a strong core, drafting smart and a bit of luck...and that they are very much poised to challenge for and ultimately win their first cup since 1994. You think that message died in the 1960s? Well then maybe you're posting to the wrong fucking site...

MF - IN 1979 I would probably said somehting a little different than That's So...Bad......Anyways, I always hated ESPO, that commercial made it worse...and probably kept me from liking Hedberg and Dougay!

OH great, now my head is back in 1970's with my disco jeans on and dancing to Teh Silver Convention's Fly Robin Fly and Van Mcoy's Do The Hustle.....In other words, you guys got your shots in...now be adults and effin stop...We got a Cup to Win!!!

TD: Speaking out against the M.A.G.A. movement is one thing, trivializing the holocaust as MSNBC did is another, and is totally unacceptable.

You can’t find your way out of the bottle. Your message is stale. The sixties were 60 years ago.

LOL yeah, any time someone DARES speak out against the redhats, you're pretty quick to chime in...so methinks your skin is pretty thin. But that's par for the course with those folks, I've found.

re: REMPE, I mean, I don't give a crap if he's up to keep WILSON in check. I'm thinking that's why he's looping in. Point with him is that he needs to play. A LOT. He got to where he is now by getting that chance with the Pack last year and improving by leaps and bounds. But since that point, he's really been missing out on real-game experience, and that has somewhat slowed his improvement. Like, I don't see any real difference between the REMPE that came up last season and the version who slotted into a game a couple weeks ago. If anything, he's slipped a bit. They can do this business with bouncing him back up when the Pack aren't playing...but even that isn't ideal, because he needs to work with his linemates...Where he belongs is Hartford. I don't see bouncing him around as being very effective. But hey. What do I know.

CM - Thanks..that's the 4th line I like because I really think the Rangers on most nights need the aggressive physicality that Remps brings ..... but, with Vesey, we have 5 NHL 4th liners....Still the constant shuffling could be an issue for youngsters (Remps/Edstrom) espcially when Vesey gets back..It's Laviolette/Drury's job to manage it for the sake of the team AND the young player(s)...We'll see..but I totally understood the Remps to Hartford thing but all the center talk just makes no sense to me for this year

HOSPO- Looks like Carrick is good to Go. Beat writers reporting Rempe playing with Carrick and Edstrom for 4th line duties. I love the interenet bloggers: One headline: "Rangers Walk Back Rempe Decision 3 Days Later" which is reidiculous. They said they just wanted to get him some games. I'm going to withhold judgement on Rempe until I see how he is used going forward. I do think he should play regular minutes either in New York or in Hartford.

Tdchi you’re the guy making false political claims. Buy a mirror and look at yourself especially when you’re bragging about being hammered. ….Go back to taking flyers on almost every player waived, cap and contract limits be damned.

VCP - Yeah, REMPE the goon who hasn't started one fight in his NHL career......almost always impacts the game on his few shifts....If you are right and he's just being brought up for WIlson, that's a bullshit way of managing a young player and roster...and WILSON is so much more than a goon and only rarely does that shit now...Laviolette needs to decide what the fuck he is doing with him................Again, maybe CARRICK is possibly out and then the move makes sense..............My only comment on politics is that South Park has had it right for so long..The Giant Douche Meglomaniac Trump versus the Turd Sandwich of the vapid puppet of the corrupt Democratic Party

Rempe for now is a goon , hopefully he improves. When the rangers play against these types of opponents he we will be called up. That's the plan !!!!

Rempe for Wilson then back to AhL that's the deal. Yep politics is as ugly as possible these days. When Elon musk and Dr Phil (who so t a doctor) speaks for you it's not a good sign lolol. We are a comic strip with no ending in sight. Not supporting her either ( wanted to e clear )

Don't need to be an anti-Semite to be a fascist authoritarian xenophobe. But hey, let's keep bringing politics on the Wall.

re: Brody LAMB - Tough call here. He's on track, I'll say that, after a real slow start. I mentioned last season that he's been getting time in Minnesota's top six. Last season, he had spins with Oliver MOORE and Jimmy SNUGGARUD, who are probably the two best prospects on that team...definitely future top-six NHLers...This season, it looks like he's back with SNUGGARUD and being centered by Nashville pick Erik PAHLSSON. Technically, it's their first line...but Minnesota rolls all four...and they have Matthew WOOD, who is another future top-sixer, playing fourth line with leading scorer, Conor KURTH...but regardless...LAMB has been moving in the right direction. I've been watching him somewhat closely and my 'concern' if you'll call it that is that he just doesn't have any one thing that stands out...But he's a GOOD player all around, and continues to do good things...he's also on a VERY good team...probably top five in the NCAA right now...Comparison? Reminds me a little of Reilly SMITH. Again. Not the guy you notice immediately...but who does a bit of everything...just with how stacked the Rangers are on wing, it's really hard for me to see how he's going to crack the lineup. He may take his senior year in Minnesota and then land in Hartford in 2025-2026. At that point, though, he'll be 23. Anyway, I think you could safely put him in the Rangers' top 15 prospects. Maybe even top 10.

Only Hamas ( hammered)supporters would make such a claim with Israel flags being waved. Similar to what Barnum and Bailey said about suckers. It’s the communists versus the Nazis according to some.

RF4L - re: LABA, he's out with a lower body injury. I don't think it's anything serious, but did keep him out of the lineup last weekend.

Brownshirts in 1939. Redhats in 2024. Same message from both. What a great track record MSG.

RF4L- REMPS was ready for the NHL as a wing before he was sent down...I really have no clue why 2 games down then back up..Back up as what? A center? A wing? A cheerleader? Rangers need to figure this out.....Possible That Carrick is concussed and maybe BRODZ to Center and Remps to wing until Vesey/Carrick ready???

Mf: give me five I’m still alive. Any no luck I’ve learned to duck! I’ll miss the Phil bombs!

MSG the world’s most famous arena living up to it’s reputation. America starts in NY.

I thought Jake Leschyshyn was going to be a paper transaction and they were going to keep him up until VESEY was ready. Apparently, that is not the case. The NYR's have just recalled Matt Rempe.... and Matt Rempe has not looked great playing center so far. I am a little confused here. What else is new?

mf…To move Z and that contract you will need to find a team that believes he is the missing piece to win a Cup….Not gonna happen…

Best thing about the Pack, was that Lesychsyn was back down...but the Rangers 3-year plan to turn REMPS into a top six C continues

Pack getting their butts kicked 5 1. Spicy meatballs all 5 with 18 shots. Play Garand.

mf. Less than 0 chance of LA doing that. I mean why? Aging expensive perimeter player on the decline.

This is a test of the Emergency Trading System; "Hey LA, Zibanejad for Quinton Byfield?" Season to Consummate.

SCREW ZMOPE...nauseating watching him float on the perimiter and avoid contact and high traffic areas like the Plague...Instead of kids learning from vets, ZFLOAT needs to be watching CHYTL and Take notes...CHYTL is by no means a physical player (Only 1 hit this year, and that is a bit concerning) but while he uses his speed and skill, he is also always in the middle of things near the goal and in the offensive zone...where that line, maybe the best in the nHL right now, controls things with hard work and speed and Cuylle's physicality..All 3 are working..On ZCRUISE line, it's only Kreider and SMith..You need all 3.......BTW, Will Cuylle 2G 5A +10; CHYTL 3G 3A +9; KAKKAO 1G 5A +8…All total 6G 13A +27....Play them even more Laviolette!!! Nice physical game on Tuesday agaisnt the Caps...Hopefully ZSLEEP wakes up somehow

Watched the game with closed captions to keep the volume down to ignore most of what nosen and dickaletti kiss each other over of. But I did hear sam ,who should have retired already , say Philip chytil and the caption said Filipino. So I will know call mrchypil , filipino .

Well now that I can get on this site …some thoughts on last night. I admittedly only semi watched the game on the side while suffering through the Yankees loss, dinner, family etc, but a few things. Wow, what is with the Ducks orange popsicle colored, college unis? haHa well at least not another team based on a black color scheme. Yes, that young group played hard as hell against a Rangers team that should have run up the score but couldn’t. Anaheim goalie was really good and they are fast. Rangers did themselves no favors when happily playing a run and gun game all night. This group will never learn to adhere to a disciplined system and dictate the flow of the game until they go on a bad losing streak, it seems. Zbad has been an embarrassment and should be donating his salary along with his hair to charity. If Lavy really is playing to win every game then he needs to demote that line to 3rd line minutes and ride the Chytil line until they prove they can play 5 on 5 at the level commiserate with their cap hits. Lavy needs to put Laffy on PP1 and Zbad on PP2. Z and Kreider will still get plenty of extra ice on the PK. Overall they really need to tighten up the defensive side of the game. Still far too many breakdowns and scrambles around the Rangers net. Still not enough fore-check is the sense of putting purposeful physical pressure on the opponents D and coming away with those 50-50 pucks in the offensive zone. Far too many pull ups and free passes to the other teams Dmen led by Zbad. Cuylle must be close to the record for called back goals in his young career. Man, not a list anyone wants to be on! ;) What a player he is turning into!

Is Brody Lamb for real? Natural hattrick yesterday. BTW Aspinal is 6 and 12 and +8 in 12 games so far. Nice step forward offensively so far (34 points in 65 games as a rookie).

On last night: Gotta admit I was pretty hammered for the game. But some thoughts: PP1 has gotten stale. I don't know why, but it has. And it's beyond time to either switch things up or give someone else a crack at that time. I saw somewhere that they're now 1 for 18? C'mon meow. I've been saying forever that one of TROCHECK or ZIBANEJAD needs to bounce to the other unit and let LAFRENIERE in...Man, that CHYTIL line is COOKING. 6 goals and 13 assists...with limited ice?! Tell you what too: We have a PLAYER in CUYLLE. Not a lot of talk about him, but he's been a beast this season. Was last year too, but he's got a lot more confidence. And KAKKO has become the player he was drafted to be. Still early and much can happen...but all three of these guys shouldn't be getting anything short of 16 minutes a game. The fact they do is really mind blowing...Anaheim has a REALLY good young team. They will not be bad for long...between their young talented forwards and a REALLY solid D core, it's looking like DOSTAL is a gamer too. That team is going to be good in a very short period of time...that said...The Rangers should've done to them what they did to the Canadiens. While a win is a win is a win...I would've wanted a more authorative statement following the craptacular against Florida on Thursday. Anyway, good game!

On everything that's happened? REMPE down: GOOD. It's where he needs to be for this season. RUHWEDEL not claimed?! Meh. Who cares? The dude is cooked. As I've said several hundred times: He doesn't even crack the 10th spot on the depth chart. MACKEY and SCANLIN are far better. FITZGERALD is better. And arguably? ROBERTSON is better. He was a stupid acquisition. If he's cool with riding his days in Hartford, that's great. If we can flip him to some team really struggling with D? Even better. But he has no business on this team...LAFRENIERE'S deal. I can't even begin to explain how much of a bargain that is. I seriously wonder what the kid is thinking, because he probably could've gotten more on a four-year deal and then REALLY cashed in. The dude left A LOT of money on the table, and maybe that's a message to SHESTERKIN...LESHYSCHYN. I know folks here think he sucks, but this guy is a lot like BRODZINSKI. Swiss Army Knife-type player. His foot speed is probably what is hampering his career the most...he had a bad knee injury a while back and has never really overcome it...but he's a very solid fourth-line player, and a good defensive center. He's got hands, for sure. And if it was between him or BERARD or GROULX riding the bench for three or four games at a time, and slotting in when guys need a rest? I'd much rather have LESCH be that guy...BERARD is in the same boat as REMPE, in that he needs big minutes. He is ripping it up in Hartford and needs to stay there until a FT spot opens. That will likely be next season...ditto, really, with GROULX. I still kind of thing he should be our center instead of CARRICK...who I like these days...but GROULX is still young, and he's immensely talented. I don't think he'll ever land in the top six...but he could be a legit bottom six center. A dude who puts up 10-15 goals and about as many apples...anywho, VESEY comes off the IR on Nov. 3, and I fully expect he'll be a regular when he does, so really LESH is a placeholder and saving the Rangers some train fare if there's an injury between now and then.

Glad to see the wall is back. Didn't really have much time this past few days to surf it, but did seem like it was down. This happens periodically for sure, but if the admin needs help, I'm sure there's more than a few of us who would jump in. Not sure what I'd do with all my free time if the wall wasn't here! Seriously though...posting here since 1997...that's almost 30 years!

Vcp. RFC admin has to be aware and recognize and then if needed/desired ask for donations. It happened before (few years ago) and I know some of us anti-upped. I said earlier - I don't know if whoever oversees this is monitoring closely anymore. When they were malicious threats about harming follow posters resulted in bans.

I emailed RFC about the site to see what's going on..If funds are needed, the site being offline lately.

PJ - Been saying the same thing different ways so totally agree..The problem is ZZERO, not the new RW..His play and his attitude....just floats and cruises on the perimiter like he doesn't want to get touched....As for Lavioloete, actions speak louder than words..but words would be a good start. but usually don't happen after a win...The next practice and continued decreased ice time Tuesday could be the message.....Besides, the other two top lines have earned it, plain and simple...

I actually don’t believe Kreider and Smith are playing poorly….Z screws up any decent rush and his forecheck is just not there…He is indecisive as well…The thing that worries me most is when he interviewed he seems relatively content with how he is playing….Laviolette has to wake him up….

I just posted to two different people after the game ,and it never even showed up on here ? So, is anything gonna be done about this or are we going down the tubes here ? I know I'm not alone in thinking this place is more than worth keeping alive but is there someone, anyone really looking after the sight any more ????? It will be a sad day indeed ,if it's come to an end. :(

Sucks about the Wall difficulties but lets not forget the ADMIN has been keeping this thing running for us for free for the last ten years or whatever...Not sure if there is anything we can do....I remember VIC was putting together a backup but...well..that ship sailed

NCRanger - Starting slow is one thing..but starting slow AND ending slow is another story...The ZTIRED line, and it's the center that should get the most blame, can not or do not want to do the work to control the puck at all..The TRO line and the kid line do it in spades

Z looks cooked to me. I’ll give it to the holidays to see if anything changes, but I’m not holding my breath. As someone pointed out, he ALWAYS starts slow but I think that last year was no aberration. Man I hope I’m wrong. Not sure what the do with him, but more importantly, this is why we need a young promising top 6 center. Get to it Drury. And yes, Kaff to PP1….so obvious. Time for Lavi to shake the “good ‘ol boy” mentality and do the obvious, get Laff more PP time

Agree Jones has to be on PP2….He had some good chances tonight and missed the net….Seems like we missed the net with several chances tonight…

Speaking of PP changes...if Jones is in , he should QB PP2 .. say what u will about the kid.. but I cannot recall a weak assed clear tonight .. can't say that about a lot of Ranger players in their own end.. soft on the wall and cute fancy pants passes in the D zone

The sign-on ISSUES are truly annoying. I'm thinking of taking some time off until they're fixed. Fingers crossed.

In regard to ZBAD: Again, he is a slow starter every year. This has never changed. EVERY YEAR.... In regard to the PP: before the last 2-3 games, PP1 was the #1 PP in the league, but you want LAVI to make changes because they've been less productive in a couple of games? Otherwise he's being a coward? That makes zero sense. Where fans don't know patience, good coaches usually know the right buttons to push.

Jake - Or DJ focused according to Sean AVery!!! :)..whatever it is, he plays like a fucking disinterested wussy

ZBAD with 15 min TOI..mpore than he earned or deserved but a start for the mopey one..OTOH..if there were PP's he would be up to 20 minutes

PJ. I hope so. If Ducks pull goalie I bet Z will be in the ice vs rewarding the Cuylle line.

RF…I believe he is stubborn but is limiting Z this period….May have had enough….

ZBAD is either invisible or impotent at ES..The line has had ZERO possession..has nothing to do with SMITH..has never been the RW...PJ - Likely...He needs to call him out by name..maybe that could light a fire under him...or an EN goal will!

I believe Laviolette is well aware Z is now an issue that has to be addressed….

EDSTROM lucky.....stupid, moronic play at this point in the game..very Rempe like :)

The 1st line is Panarina-Tro-Laffy..I have no idea what the ZBAD line is t ES..Tonight the 4ht best for sure

RF4L - For sure ZFLOAT is playing...Just keep your eye on the perimiter and far away form the goal..You will see him often

What an fucking goal by my boy CUYLLE..damn..the line knows how to play the game..Challenged?

The kid line buzzing..banging multiple chances..ZSLEEP and his line should take notes...do something other then the pretty 1-offs they strive for at ES

Love the way BRODZ politely asked Gudas not to hit them so hard..but whoever through the hit afterwards did the right thing

Love watching the kid line play, especially Cuylle and it looks like his non-stop effort has rubbed off on CHYTL..He can turn into a really dangerous player if he meshes his skill with physicality and effort

WILD - You know I like REMPE, I just don't see him as an NHL center the way he plays, skates, his skill level, everything..I just seem him as a better fit for W, ANd i want him there in NY this year...C may be a longer term project...Of course, I can be wrong or likely am..Like I said, Big Country is the HOF coach, not me..

Not to take anything away from Chytil or Kakko, but CUYLLE is the straw that stirs the drink on that line. What a great start to the season.

1 for 10 last PPs. My God Lardiolette WTF are you afraid of? Swap Z and Laf. Coach's inane stubbornness is gonna be 85 and counting. Just don't get it. Cowardly coaching.

Hospo: Rempe played C his entire life until the NHL. He played about 50% center in the AHL. I trust that Lavy knows a thing or two and he has Rempe ahead of Edstrom as a C replacement. There is this massive under estimation done with Rempe. Dont forget, before his growth spurt he was a skill first guy with troubles producing, and he played center and was tapped for his two way game. Thats what got him into the Seattle system, then he grew 6 inches over an offseason and then during Covid put on 40 pounds and we now have what we have. But he learned to play hockey without all those physical attributes. Even last year he was still learning his body…he has not had his hight for like 3 years and for a bulk of one of those years he was off ice. Don’t sleep on him as a 4th line center.

Yep there are still intermittent issues. Maybe we need to donate to whomever keeps this going..who would that be??

In regard to REMPE: I'm not sure what the endgame is here. Do they envision him as the new Jonny Brodzinski13th forward) or as an eventual replacement for Sam Carrick? He's played center before, so it should be a lot of muscle memory for him, but I don't see how it get's the coach to trust him with more minutes. I am rooting for the kid.

I look at RFC as a gift every day it’s open! I click on interesting ads. But the fact that it’s still up and running without a lot of financial support is amazing.

Berard horrible in NHL pre-season but on fire in the AHL it seems, which is doing what he should... hopefully next time is the charm for him in NY..OTOH, will mean a bad thing for the Rangers having a top 9 forward injured

Llifetime AHLers Leschysn, Groulx doesn't matter, Rangers have ZERO depth at C...REMPE ain't one..SHould have committed EDSTROM to the position awhile ago..OTOH, he is now the defacto enforcer

Jake L oh my , should have recalled me I would be cheaper. Maybe gallant will be assisting coach.

The NYR's didn't need a player to play, the needed a guy to be the 13th forward and sit. JAKE is the cheapest option.

Very happy for Laf. I knew he was the real deal - just needed a legitimate opportunity like all young skilled kids. So much bust talk. So much shitty hockey knowledge. Are you reading this Stapleface???

Peter Baugh @Peter_Baugh .... Vincent Trocheck on the Alexis Lafrenière extension: “I personally think he’s doing good by the Rangers with this deal.”

Jake L recalled. Guess he'll be lounging in the pressbox. Groulx not recalled I assume because Drury concerned if/when he's sent down given his strong start for the Pack he'll get claimed.

Peter Baugh @Peter_Baugh .... Alexis Lafrenière said extension talks got going in training camp and accelerated the past few days.... “I’m feeling good,” he said. “I’m happy to be done with it.” ....Said he’s fired up to be in New York for seven more years.

Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr .... #NYR Vincent Trocheck on Alexis Lafrenière extension: “Bread said a helicopter would do.”.... And what does No. 16 want?.... “I’ll just ride in Bread’s helicopter.”

Jonny Lazarus @JLazzy23 · .... #NYR Alexis Lafreniere on his contract:.... “I love playing here so it’s really good for me to stay for a long time.” .... When it comes to gift giving for his linemates:.... “They’re talking it. I’ll have to wait to actually get the money to see what I do with it.”

Jonny Lazarus @JLazzy23 .... #NYR Vinny Trocheck just got off the ice, looked at us and said: .....“I’ll take 5%, Bread can take 10.”

Lafrenierre-- So great to see a NYR drafted player develop and flourish.. how many times have we seen NYRs give up on young players and cast them off for some rental veteran, only to them flourish elsewhwere? Glad to see Laf continue to improve and want to be a NYR... future is bright

Coming to save the day..... NY Rangers PR @NYR_PR.... UPDATE: Jake Leschyshyn has been recalled from the Hartford Wolf Pack.

Saw a meme which asked the question "What's the number one problem which needs to be fixed in hockey?" with the answer "Be specific in why it's Gary Bettman".

Oh gallant leaving is why laffy woke up last year, and kaapo and mr chypil are still trying to wake up. When is lardiolette going to wake them up? Laffy never said he preferred staying on the left wing? Maybe lb knows the facts over opinions.

Wild physical game between The Isles and Debbies tonight...Apologies to DREW but glad the Isles beat The Devil Hughes pukes..Some real nasty hits and McDermaid and the guy that did the damage to Rempe going at it....I hope EDSTROM/CARRICK are ready to do the policing and getting their faces punched with REMPs jettisoned...I don't want TROUBS or CUYLLE risking injury

I guess Gorton outside of getting zbad which was a great trade at the time,is watching his fruits of NY.

why the fuck would Boone bring in Nestor... who hasn't pitched in a. month?.... God, I am cursed.... Rangers, Yankees, Cowboys and Knicks.......

Rhetoric wow I did not know that..so Drury has only signed laffy and trouchek. And drafted mancini who is playing . So my question remains is he fired yet.lolol I can't help myself

In regard to GROULX: That's why I was worried about losing him when we sent him down. He could be so huge for us. Could be.

VCP... If you're talking about Rempe, Cuylle and Edstrom, they were all drafted by Jeff Gorton. Victor Mancini is the first Drury prospect to make the team.

Also drafting heavier , nastier players. Credit where credit is due. Did I say he can't make a trade to save his life....oh I did lolol

It does seem Drury is being careful with money. At least he can do something right. He can't make a trade to save his life.

Jfc31 it's amazing what a fucked up coach can do considering he took Vegas to finals. Who would have think it.

Really happy for Lafrenière! Many other young men would have been crushed by the bullshit he went through. Brooks obviously got the same impression of the Gallant-Lafrenière relationship as I did…” but the second year with Gerard Gallant behind the bench was kind of bonkers the way the coach would insist Lafreniere was not comfortable moving to his off-wing while the player sat at his locker on a daily basis saying he had no issue at all moving to the right. There was something, though, between them that always seemed a little off.” I must have said a hundred time on here tgat Gallant “had a bug up his ass about Lafrenière” and that he kept bullshitting about Laf not wanting to play RW. Fuck Gallant and tank you Laviolette for giving this kid the 2 siml,e things he needed…a fair chance to play Top 6 and a huge vote of confidence. That is all he needed!

Well hospo apparently lavy doesn't agree with you , he rather have brodz. I do hope rempe is back soon. I hope he as what it takes. Winning a cup is equally about sacrifice as much as it is systems , talent and if course some luck. I do believe that panarin, kreider, ZBAD. Aren't going to sacrifice to win. Unsure if kakko and chytil have what it takes either. That's 2 lines right there .

Rempe between Enre and Chmelar tonight. Showing up as the second line for the lineup for whatever that means.

vcp: Rempe reads plays fine I think…but then he thinks about what to do. It’s not instinct for him at the speed it needs to be. Confidence will help that. So will ice time. A trip to Hartford won’t hurt. And if he isn’t going to be in the next game he can get 2-3 in Hartford. Lavy said something to the effect today to the media folks.

VCP - Honestly, I think that is bull shit..REMPE can play the NHL game as a 4th liner with no problem...He showed it every time he was used..Both he and EDSTROM, who I don't see as highly as most on here, need to improve Big Time..Ice time helps..

Hospo: I agree about this year. However, if he isn’t playing up, when down he should be at center getting better there. And it won’t hurt to have him ready to step in at C for an injury, even in game. May also help him hone some of his defensive game by having to focus on it more at center.

Hospo you have to be able to play the game, skate, read, make plays , play D. Rempe isn't there yet. I hope to God he gets there soon. Really soon.

I'd love for IGOR to take a look at LAFRENIERE's deal and say to himself, "man I'm being a greedy MF-er." ....Not going to happen.

While good for the Rangers, still think LAFFY undervalued himself compared to guys like Slav, Raymond and Jarvis..but it's his money!

I'd love to see Kakko look at Laf's deal and push himself to greater heights. Tons of potential.......his injury cost him a lot in teams of development. Now's the time KK...

Mf zhair can go with lardiolette to his barber school haircutter, lardi can get a weave from zhairs hair on the floor.

WILD - I am just a bozo, but not sure I like that plan for REMPE at C for this year..And this year is BIG..Come February through June, when things get tough, I think the Rangers will need REMPE as W in the same role as last year..For That, I keep him at W............Replacement for CARRICK in 26-27? Meh..I don't know. that's far away..and I just don't see REMPS as a Center..square peg round hole to me..but Laviolette is the HOF coach....As far as Center...an injury to any of the top 3 centers and Johnny Brodz steps in, nobody else even imaginable..Carrick stays at C...Carrick gets injured--Brodz plays C...Now, both get hurt, say CARRICK and Zbad, Your guess is as good as mine

Wow it’s been 6 years since I’ve been here and it looks like the same crowd!!! Let’s go Rangers!!! Is this the year?

The thinking is that the NYR offered Laffy the same deal as Slafkovský, but he preferred 7 years instead of 8. That's why he ended ups with a smaller AAV. IE. We didn't t need to buy the extra UFA year..... Per Chris Johnston @reporterchris .... The #NYR $7.45M AAV extension with Alexis Lafrenière comes in with a cap hit a shade below the $7.6M AAV given to #habs Juraj Slafkovský, a fellow No. 1 overall pick.... Slafkovský signed for eight years while Lafrenière opted for seven.

The NYR do have an empty spot.... NHL News @PuckReportNHL .... #UtahHC place Kailer Yamamoto on waivers

Vince Z. Mercogliano @vzmercogliano On last night's news of Rempe being sent to the AHL, it was easy to see coming based on the way the lineup has shaken out. #NYR value him playing with Hartford vs. being scratched in the NHL. Interesting that they did it now, though, with Vesey still at least 3 games away.... It makes me wonder if a corresponding move is coming because #NYR is left with only 12F. Brett Berard is off to a strong start with Hartford (6 points through 4 games), but I doubt they'd make that move unless it was to insert him in the lineup. Bo Groulx is another option as 13F....Then again, if they stick with current 12F/7D roster, they won't have to use Vesey's LTIR pool anymore and can get back to accruing cap space aimed at the trade deadline. That could be the reason for demoting Rempe & waiving Ruhwedel now, as opposed to waiting for Vesey's return.

On different news. Rempe. Lavy said that Rempe will be playing center in Hartford. Sounds like a plan more than a few days in the works if he can say that, because it means he has had communication with the Hartford staff. May show some insight into what the Rangers see as his future. They may see him as the eventual replacement for Carrick. Not a terrible plan for sure. And one easily remedied if he fails to achieve the goals set for him. 4th line centers are cheap to sign off the UFA market or get in trade. It’s a low risk idea. Lavy said in the past he saw Rempe as his first choice for center among the few young kids in camp pressing. And was referring more to a quest about Edstrom and Rempe at the time.

Vince also confirmed the puckpedia report. Good deal for the rangers. Even the no trade list is nice. 8 teams is not a major hurdle if he was shopped.

Per puckpedia “Lafreniere 7 year $7.45M Cap Hit #NYR ext: Year 1 $2M Base & 8M Signing Bonus Year 2 $5.5M & 2M SB Year 3 $8.5M & 1M SB Year 4 $7.15M Year 5 to 7: $6M Years 3-7 include 8 team No Trade List”

Lots stuff today about Lardiolette's roster management and how he needs to adjust it when facing certain teams. Alas I think there's about as much a chance of that as guys like Z start embracing the N/S game in favour of playing east/west...

Crud clears waivers. Excellent acquisition Drury. Laf signs. Good contract Drury. Sign him now vs next summer when he might be positioned to demand more. Does he now get PP1 time???

WOW.... Even more of a steal... ....per PuckPedia @PuckPedia..... Further to report from @NYP_Brooksie...... deal is not finalized yet but expecting #NYR to sign Lafreniere to 7 year $7.45M Cap Hit extension

THERE IT IS.... NY Rangers PR @NYR_PR · .... UPDATE: Matt Rempe has been assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack.

LAFFY being 23 79G 76A 155 Points..7.5-8 mill seems fair for 8 years unless he wants to go shorter term

Maybe you guys are right about it being a fair contract for LAFFY..I just looked at the 3 most recent comparables Seth jarvis, 22 237 GP 66G 84 A 150 Points getting 8 years/7.9 Mill; Lucas Raymond 22 245 GP 71 G 109 A 180 Points gettting 8 Years/8.07 Mill and Dylan Guenther 21 45GP 18G 17A 45 Points Getting 8 Years/7.14 Mill.....So Laffy getting 8 years/7.5-8 mill seems right..........https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/free-agency

Look at it this way, Laffy is getting $7.6 Mil off of one season of 28 goals and 57 points. If he had a season ending injury, he's not getting that much. Kreider had two 28 goal seasons and two fifty point seasons and two other seasons of 21 goals before he got his 7-year extension($6.5 AAV), so I think this deal is very fair, TBH.

Last night I had an interesting experience with the game. And my viewpoint is wildly different than most. I saw the final score before I watched the game. So there was no emotional stuff attached to the in moment play by play that is normally there. The first 2-3 minutes was horrid. Bad passes, bad reads, missed assignments, horrible positioning, over pursuing…just bad and it resulted in a 2-0 Florida lead. The game ended up 3-1. Meaning the rest of the way it was 1-1. Some are saying it was only 3 because of Igor. Well sure. Thats why you want a top goalie. But they seem to be ignoring, it was only 1 because Bob who I beleive had the harder saves last night overall. Igor had a few brilliant ones as well, saved the bacon of the D quite a few times, bub Bob had more of those, and he made them look routine. There were at least 2 or 3 times when the Rangers had a sure goal in 99% of chances like they had, only to have Bob get a skate or leg on the puck, one he got a price of with a glove, another with the blocked side. The Rangers need to be better than they were. They were forcing passes, hitting guys in the skates, mishandling pucks. It seemed like they wanted to win all at once and prove they could beat Florida, and instead of playing their game and letting eh win come to them, they pressed to try to force it. The biggest thing I noticed other than bad passing, was that they didn’t have good puck support the first 6 games they always had a guy as a safety valve, a guy who the puck carrier could pass too in order to get out of a tight spot. Might have been boring, and might have been back to their own zone, or to a low scoring chance area, but it reduced turnovers. Last night everyone wanted to be the hero, everyone wanted to be up in the play, no one wanted to be the safety valve, to slow things down. And it burned them. One example was the second goal. Zib had no one to move the puck to, the guy he tried to get it to when that pass was read, in games prior would have been moving towards the rangers net and the pass would have been well ahead of the attacking player, and they would have reset from behind their own net. Instead, he stayed up near the blueline and a goal against happened. Side we can get on zib for the choice, he had other options. But still, before last night the choice was easy and available and there was no question about what what was done in the split second thought process. Zib chose poorly, but he had a lot of poor options…any one of them could have gone badly, but we will never know of course. Still. Outside of the first 2-3 minutes, the biggest issue outside of not connecting passes was the lack of support and that really lead to a lot of turnovers.

Great for laffy and rangers fans. He obviously wants to win. Nice to have that attitude.

and.... Z'bad needs a haircut, enough already. and... We don't need a Rick Nash part deux of a Zibanejad. "IF he's so worried in, 'there's more to life than hockey' as Rick Nash was quoted in saying to Zbad & I believe Kreider as well,' well trade Zibanejad for a haul and be sure to get a 1st rounder coming our way as well."

NYI fans are angry. They'll feel like their players never sign at a discount and ours always do :)

Not worried about IGOR, that will sort itself out. The next concern is what we do with MILLER.

If true, It's a BARGAN!!! ....Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie ....Rangers closing in on Lafreniere extension. Told by industry sources it will be seven year deal coming in at under $7.6M per.

Andrei - Easy on ZBAD/ZSLEEP/ZMOPE, last night was an aberration, he will excel tomorrow night on the PP and even go to the net once against the Ducks tomorrow nigth..At ES, it's obvious the issue with that 2nd line is not the RW...it's the way that ZBAD plays and not really meshing OFFENSIVELY...he is fine defensively as long as physicality isn't needed.........but, again, only 1 game,,,but the Florida Hump seems as big or bigger than last year

From Brooks…and if true. HOLY HELL what w in for the rangers. “Rangers closing in on Lafreniere extension. Told by industry sources it will be seven year deal coming in at under $7.6M per.”

No, the Wall is having issues. You can see it with the gap of posts during the games last night. Etc.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC .... We will see where this goes over the next 24-48 hours, but hearing talks have intensified between NYR and Alexis Lafreniere

As long as ZBAD is here , no cup I have said it many times. Also breadman. But panarin at least is playing great hockey,ZBAD is asleep

RF4L- yeah, I am having a lot of issues logging in to the WALL..Are you and I the only ones? If so, who's behind that? :)

Vince Z. Mercogliano @vzmercogliano.... New pairs today:.... Miller - Fox.... Lindgren - Trouba... Jones - Schneider.... Looks like Mancini comes out #NYR

Was at the game last night. Great seats, via a good friend, good food, plenty of good choices. Garden looks great. But, on bad side, it was a terrible game to watch. By far ZShit's the worst game I have even seen him play. Maybe watching it live made it more visible, but man or man, it was a shit show... I have no idea what ZShit was doing last night. Missing defensive assignments every shift, passes to imaginary friends, puck handling like it was a grenade and simply looking lost most of time. Part that bothers me the most, is that Lavi seems to be set at getting him going no matter what or what price team is paying thought the lineup. Which meant last night, Panerin had to be moved to the Bromance line to get them going. So Rangers ended up rolling out two dysfunctional lines. WHY?? Why is it a fucken rule, that as a team, NYR have constantly have to cater to ZCrap and Bromance duo no matter what? WHY is ZShit is stappled to the 1st line PP, even if it is clear that PP is not working try after try? Rangers PP results are now very predictable. When they play bottom feeder teams, it looks great. But even then, it basically comes down to waiting for either Fox or Panerin to make a great play, and they do, when they are given time and space. Whether it is getting a puck to Kreider, or Panerin taking shots himself, or Fox making sleek passes, unfortunately, there is nothing else in the arsenal. When they play a good opponent, PP fails. Simple is that. Great against bad goaltending and bad PK, bad against decent opponents. I really don't get on why 1st PP can't be the entire 1st line + Kreider and Fox and replace Panerin with Chytil on the 2nd one. My other favorite target JBro was fucken useless once again. Why was he on the ice last night? Again, what does he brings that Rempe does not? I just don't get it. Pampers were finishing checks every shift. I would think that hard hitting Rempe will help, but no. Lavi knows better. Man, Shesti kept them in the game. Score would have being 7-1, or worst, if not for his amazing saves. He deserves every penny. This is a borderline 500 team without Shesti, or with the lesser goaltending.

Hospo...usually with this team I can were my two hats quite easily (coach hat /fan hat ) but this year seems different for some reason. An example (and I know it's early ) is playing against the most aggressive team and Cup Champs.we sit Rempe and play Cuylle for 12 mins...unacceptable. And this laid back , I'm cool/no problem here attitude of Zbad is off the charts. Hasn't he learned that as a leader he can't do this for 82 games and just turn it on in the PO's ?????? It's the attitude on the Leafs that make them the laughing stock of the NHL.

and.... readjusting the 3 lines as suggested distributes the sacrifice & responsibility across the top 3 in a "take no prisoners" approach. Each line is responsible to the next... (more coffee please)

Limbo. Agree completely with your post. Canary in a coal mine is a perfect descriptor.

and.... on the PP, PP Unit 1 with 4 RHS & 1 LHS and a 2nd PP unit with 5 LHS just doesn't pass the eye test. I would start with a 3:2 ratio of LHS/RHS for starters. Build it out from there

Limbo: I/we will take "Right Buttons vs Panic Buttons" for $1,000.... Separating the Bromo's is not hitting the "panic button," it's redistributing the current talent. Best to do this early in the season and see how it takes root. I'm looking at the entire Top 9 as a group" Cuylle/Zbad/Kakko -- Kreider/Trocheck/Smith -- Panarin/Chytil/Lafreniere... These combo's warrant a try. -- As for the 4th line: I'd start with Edstrom/Carrick/???? Every line would have a 2:1 Ratio of LHS/RHS and after that, the Coaching staff must be responsible "to the clock!" I'd start with each of the top 3 lines at 16 TOI minutes & the 4th line with 12 TOI minutes. Adjust the TOI from there based upon PP/PK time and keep the Minutes proportional.... jmnshfo snatcherally ;-)

After last year's playoff series and last night's game, it's clear as day that the Panthers know how to defend against our power play far better than any other team in the league. I'm not in favor of breaking up the first unit at this point given their dominance against the rest of the league, but if I were Lavvy I would employ a whole new alternative first unit against the Panthers the next time we play them. New players, new methods primed just for the Panthers (the unit can be tinkered with at practices). Anything to get the Panthers out of their PK comfort zone. The results couldn't be worse than the crap PP we saw last night.

Completely agree with KIS/HOSPO. I wanna win every game, full stop. Winning every game is not realistic. Even playing well in every game is not realistic. So, no real need to press any panic button. And, speaking as a 3 sport coach (that almost never loses, hehe), a game like this, especially early in the season…is a blessing, complete blessing for a coach. It is a huge opportunity to shake the cobwebs out of the team, play the tape over and over and over, show them what it takes. For years, this team has been a regular season juggernaut. IMO, to their detriment a bit, come playoff time. They can play the prancing bullshit, barely break a sweat, and cut through 70% of the NHL like a hot knife through butter. They have that much talent. But that ain’t winning a cup. LAVY isn’t a fool. A guy that has been around the league this long…he knows what it takes. He absolutely has the obligation to hit the right buttons on this crew to get them ready for the PO meat grinder. Will he? Will they listen? Who knows. But, I can say with certainty - if all the reg season games were as easy as the first few this season, this team is not listening to shit. And they would flop, again, in the POs. I hate to lose. And this is only one game. But, IMO, it is the canary in coal mine. I hope this game is used like the GM and coaches and players SHOULD use it - in a productive way to prepare for what is to come…

Leave it to beaver barber elementary school haircut lardiolette. If he performs again like last season, wave goodbye.

Lb..” Update: There will be no daily rants about scratching Rempe, for No. 73 was assigned to the Wolf Pack following the match. Maybe someone in the organization will explain what happened in the offseason that changed the hierarchy’s (and/or coaching staff’s) opinion of the winger. If I tell you one more time that I don’t get it — and don’t get it at all — I will sound like one of those single-issue message board posters. “…. https://nypost.com/2024/10/25/sports/rangers-lacked-everything-in-bad-loss-to-panthers/

"That trio(Kreider,Mika,Smith) was outshot, 5-1, and on ice for two of Florida's three goals. Zibanejad looked tentative and wasn't even credited with a shot attempt in 19:20 time on ice, despite avoiding the matchup with Barkov that plagued him in the conference final." Last year apparently it was because he had to play against Barkov...

Again, to me mika has to much influence on the team. Obviously too many minutes. He doesnt need 5on5 time. pK time and PP time. Against better teams he doesnt influende the game in a positive way 5on5. He is good on the PK currently. On the PP i think he is in the spot Panarin should be in. Currently who runs the PP. Does it go theough Fox, Bread or Mika.? It becomes a shit show when pressured and all want to make the extra pass. Tale him off the PP and gove the time to Laffy. Put Bread at the left circle

Line Generator 101: Cuylle/Zbad/Kakko - Panarin/Chytil/Lafreniere - Kreider/Trocheck/Smith .... Yes there is a 2:1 ratio LHS-RHS on each line and a balance of power :->)

Vescey , edstrom , brodZ as a 4th isn't to shabby could be worse . A smuch as brodz is borderline NHL.Vescey is a good player.. edstrom is improving.

Cuylle 8 minutes is insane . That is the line that can push the tats around if anyone can I believe Kakko , cuylle, chytil well that's another story . However they are playing well but we can across a still superior opponent.

Ooops..he got 12 minutes..MY BAD..still..they are the guys that need to play more since parts of the top 2 lines don't seem to want to physiclly compete with FLA..

Finally the carnival is over . I hope he does his thing and improves . He would be a nice have .

RF4L - I don't give a shit about EDSTROM, but Cuylle only getting 8 minutes is a disgrace..Him and his line playing is what the Rangers need to challenge the Panther not more of the perimiter E-W players like Z-SLEEP..And while I am glad REMPS was sent down the way Lavilolette is managiung his roster, it still bugs me..Who sits when VESEY comes back..Edstrom or Brodz??

P with 23 minutes and Z and K each with nearly 20 minutes. Edstrom with 8 Cuylle with 12 Chytil with 15 and KK with 16. Gee what a surprise!

NYS…That’s why I said sit him a game….I honestly believe he thinks his compete level is fine…It would be a good wake-up Vaal for him and anybody else taking shifts off….

Just watch the interview with Zbad. Someone really needs to challenge that dude to be better. He just seems to be OK with the battle level were it is.

I personally thought that even Brian boyle sucked tonight.... Just so blah and didn't add anything to the telecast...

The dream of having no regulation losses in the regular season is now over. On the bright side, we have things we need to work on.

NYStranger - I said in the off season that the only thing that mattered was getting over/past the Florida Panther hump and didn't think they did..Tonight's effort shows that while they are a good team with good players, they have a long way to go and MAY not have the players to do it...But let's see how they (including Lviolette) react to and bounce back from this

Well, at least the Devils D and goalie continue to suck! Unfortunately, it's my RFC Fabnasay Hockey goalie!

All I can add right now is a couple of years ago FLA had a much more high flying offense style team and got nowhere in the POs. They got rid of the wimps and got a bunch a PO style guys and won it all. Drury you learning anything yet?

A lot of coaching to be done after tonight..Coaches all the time say when certain players need to compete more..would love Laviolette to do that tonight

I'm with ya PJ...ZBAD was a disgrace agaisnt FLA in the POs last year handing them one game and just as mopey and physically pathetic tonight..Hell the entire team was..not one iota of a change from last year..except, as TRADE said,, FLA did it without BARKOV...

It is kinda funny to see them down by 2 with about 3minutes to go and the Rangers play patty cake around the boards on the PP for almost 2 of those minutes. Nice job team. Nice job Lavioli.

don't worry fellas... we will be back on Saturday night to hammer the lowly Ducks.... and we can throw a Pdiddy party on the Wall after the game...

And this is exactly the type of D first play the Rangers should have been doing in the third period last game.

Did the 4th line just go to the net? Did the rest of the team watch? Good work by Carrick and Edstrom

What a fuckin mess..Rangers hearing steps..rushing things..Panthers just play their game like they always do against NY

Really frustrated in Z and the so called first line. They learn nothing from last year’s playoffs and will not win a cup with this group. Z has not been good for three years now in the playoff

Mf I'd like to say a couple of nurse sharks but his temperament is more of a whale shark.

Not sure anyone covered this lately, but maybe its time to slot Zbad between Cuylle / Kakko and slot Chytil between Kreider / Smith.

5 mins in and 2 plyers that have been the most physical, striaght forward and best all year, Cuylle and KK, hadn't touched the ice..

The Rangers need to make a hige change. If they dont at least change Zbads role. Especially on the PP this team will not advamce. Keep him on the PK but why not get laffy on the PP

OTOH, a game like this or, hopefully, 2 periods will show the coach and teams the things they still need to do..and they do it

Rangers tried to play FL like they played MTL- ain’t gonna work. Those east west passes have led to FL pressure and goals for them. On the PP, simple pass and shot is what needed .

This is not hating on ZBAD but, plain and simple, him and his 6'3 220 frame have to be a little more involved physically even if only in the offensive zone for this team to be the best..Just being an open ice cruiser, special teams guy won't cut it...Somebody give him some MEAN pills!! Hell, even though they can play physical, the Ranger are still choir boyish

Just tuned in: Looks like one team came to prove that last season was no fluke, while the other team wants to prove it's a flounder. That's no fish story. :->)

Rf but like I said a few times this season already - The scoring has covered up some big warts. This is a team they need to be able to beat come the POs. These are the kinds of games the Rangers seem OK with to throw away during the regular season.

I see the Rangers look like they hesitate a half second before making a decision and FLA just drives right at the puck. Probably the hesitation looks worse than it is because FLA does not seem to hesitate at all. Rangers also just try and force too many passes and has too many passengers. FLA is not playing some big intimidating game so I just don’t get the Rangers hesitancy about driving to the net. Game is still within reach but some major changes have to be made and the players have to buy in. This is where we don’t have that top line guy to put the team on his back and lead by example. Zbad is an overpaid penalty killer at this point. Beyond that what does he do? Not much for me.

Panthers N_S, Rangers Perimiter prncing with E-W passing.. horrible combination..I have seen no evidence yet that the Core players are ready to climb the Florida hump.....SMITH has been good all year but this is where we see the lack of top six big plays big winger hurting us

Zibanejad playing a shitty game tonight. Rangers PP getting the same pressure they got from the Cats in the PO’s…and they STILL can’t handle it!

Z - where plays go to die. You can’t play finessey against FL. Enough w/ the cross ice passes. You have to grind and skate. Crest traffic at net front l, screens, tips, etc. That’s a snapshot of playoff style hockey. No room for pretty plays

Hospo abasolutely. We aren't built 100 percent for charging the net. Maybe 30-40 percent???

Florida game is so much about effort. They do nothing flashy. Rangers need to stop worh the stick reach amd get the body and get to the ouck first. It has to be all out effort for 30-45 second. If you glid for a second florida gets the edge

And these cross ice passes don’t work vs Panthers…Laff just tried a pass with three Panthers in position to stop it….

Schmoe and Nosen Yadda yadding bout how great the Panthers afre but not saying a peep bout the Rangers not being good enough tonight

NYSTRANFER - Exactly, ZBAD and CHYTL re crusiers and opportunists rather then forcers..but CHYTL has been improving, more physically invoolved ..ZBAD worse..

Panthers haven’t been all that physical but they pressure you….They have a great transition game…Bob had been good…

Rangers and especially mopey ZBAD too finessey for the Panthers..things haven't changed ...YET

Rangers are getting beaten to pretty much every puck. Don't get how we can say the could be leading? Just too much cruising. ZBad should be called ZCruze after this one.. Can they take the intensity up a notch? No seeing it so far.

Bobo zbad is worthless against tough teams as is bread. Thats the difference. Unfortunatwly need to get to the llayoffs so you meed bread for the regular season zbad. Will be gone after this year

Hence we see why they are the cup winners. No room to breathe. Pressure , pressure everywhere..just like sanwafair everywhere. Good test though.

How much to pay BOBO? Tough one. He is 37 when his current deal ends. Years 38 and 39 for goalies can he tricky. Maybe a 2-year deal at his current rate if he is still at the same calibre at the end of next season.

Turned it on about 6 minutes ago..Rangers looked good..then the ZBAD line got abused ...and do we have to see Fox-MIller together? I'll take Bennet over ZBAD anyday after February

Rangers are playing OK in spurts, but Florida is very opportunistic and the rangers are not playing tight in their own zone.

Rangers have great chances….Panthers come down the ice and 3-1….Bob is stoning us…

hospo.. I think they should have started rempe tonight and flip the script on the Panthers and have him pound them... instead, Rangers wanna play that pretty boy hockey tonight and we will see how that works out....

Good to see that sloppy D play costing them .. need to learn the lesson.. and break up Fox/Miller.. they do not mesh

This is a good game for the rangers to have. Will show that jbro shouldnt be up here. Ans will show the faults of miller who isnt a first pair dman

RF4l - sitting REMPE isn't the dumb part after the way the 12 forwards played against MTL, the dumb part is that they haven't sent him down..At hte least, I would already have sent him on a train to Hartford today so he can play Friday and Sunday night..If you want to torture him some more, call him up after that and make him sit again!

In regard to LAFRENIERE: The thinking behind the holdup with his extension is that he might not want to go to the max of 8 years(he might be more inclined to do six). If he goes six, he can still get himself one last deal for big money before he retires. It's conjecture, but it does make sense.

RF4L - And as I said the other day it's not pooh poohing and tigger toohing the draft picks, it's just accepting that it's the cost of business of trying to win a CUp....Acceptable (at least to me) if you get worthy players...not the three stooges last year of Ruwhedel, Roslovi and Weinerberg...And the year before that of ruining the team with Kann.......And, to me, it makes zero sense to trade JONES right now unless you think he is not an NHLer......VCP - I have had my problems wtith DRURY the last twio deadline and off-season but, hinestlym how stupid can they be when they just might have the deepest team in the NHL?????? I know, I know, the POs are another story but let's see how they evolve this year

wild: I wonder, too, if Drury trade to trade Jones. My guess is no - surely he could get a 2nd rounder for him?

Bye bye Ruhwedel. What a dumbass trade executed by Drury. Flitted away a 4th for nothing. As I said the other day remember if/when you go to poo-poo the importance of such picks, Igor was drafted 118th 10 years ago. A 4th round pick. Now imagine that Nob for Life had flitted away that pick like he did many others and Drury continually does - a very different team the Rangers would be.

I really thought mancini was a gonner to AHL, very happy to see the rangers aren't completely stupid.

I also expect VESEY to be coming off LTIR shortly. It will be great to have him back. Per Vince, he was practicing today.

I would not be surprised if Ruhwedel is claimed. I kind of expect him to be. He's likely an improvement over a lot of teams 7th D-man. We shall see. I'm not really sure what other choice the NYR's really had. They're not ready to make a trade, Mancini deserves to be here and we don't want to lose JONES :)

Liking the waiving of Ruhwedel and the keeping of Jones..Plain and simple, the Rangers are going to need 7,8 or 9 D-men and right now JONES is in the Top 7...I think the Rangers like him and know he can contribute, but so can the other six..Yeah, he might have to sit a little but.There will be injuries and who knows if Boom Boom stumbles a little, and he will get back in.....Ruwhedel can still be in the picture if he clears waivers and goes down to hartford..No mater what, the Rangers will pick up a vet d-man between now and the deadline, unless they bomb out which isn't seeming likely

Jones is ok for the regular season more so much the playoffs when things get ugly.

Wow they traded for someone then put on waivers makes sense to me. Who thought that Mancini though I guess.

A bit surprised they didn’t try to trade Jones. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but trading Jones for futures and then also get a journeyman D who is already in the AHL along with the futures for depth purposes. Clearly either there are zero takers or the Rangers still see more value in keeping him. I like Jones, but he is sort of redundant on this roster and he would get better looks on other teams IMHO

Limbo - I am glad you asked!!!! When I lived on Long Island, I used to take the LIRR to Ranger games or if I was working in Manhattan, just stay. One of my DREW lines would be - I hope this game doesn't go into OT, I need to catch the 10:29 train to Babylon. I believe it was an express and a much sought after train for the South Shore Suffolk County patrons. It was wither this or "Drive for Five"

Makes sense to go with the same lineup as Monday....I would too...but it really has gone on long enough to sparingly use and mainly sit REMPS..Send him down already...just let him play a little (won't learn much in Hartford though)

They need to send rempe down already.. probably when vescey returns..brodz although not special is steady at being boring..he is consistently boring but not awful. As much as I rather have someone else.

Again, love the history revisioning. Sure, Drury traded picks for Copp and company at the 2022 trade deadline. Have to disagree with most. There is no such thing is "overpayment" at any trade deadline. Every team that acquires players at, or before the deadline pays the asking price, which is insanely high. As a team, either you choose to stand pat, or you make the deal. Let's go back to the Copp deal. Without Copp and Vetrano, Mott, etc. Rangers were going to miss the playoffs that year. Thanks to the fucken genius Gallant, team was barely standing afloat and most nights they looked terrible and trending down. Instead, they ended up two wins away from Cup finals. So, no, what ever price was paid for Copp, it was well worth it. Any time, team makes it to the 3rd round, price paid was justified. Sure, I personally did not like Kane's deal. It was not needed. But then again, trades at the last deadline, once again, brought the team two wins away from the Cup finals. Picks are picks. They are commodity. Can we stop overvalue low round picks? It's not the end of the world, if 4th round pick is traded. In over 95% of the time, players drafted in the 4th round will never play in NHL. % goes down with each round. Only 10% make it in the 3rd round. I really advice folks to listen to the Prospect Radio on the XM NHL channel, especially about a month before and after draft, as well as the at trade deadline when prospects are discussed and why teams draft for the best player available, etc, or why drafting two NHL player in each draft is considered a homerun. On paper, loading up on picks and prospects is phenomenal idea. Problem is that only a very small % of those, will ever play in NHL 200+ games. This is why I much rather see Drury continue retaining his 1st and trading away 2nd/3rd/4th.. Trading away 1st's is what kills team's farm systems. They have the highest % of making it to NHL. Even 2nd round is in less then 20%.

schneidw - echoing mf - thanks for the article. You never know with kids, but so far, NYR were ridiculously lucky to get this guy where they did. At the same time, they were also smart enough to take him.

So.... some guy named Henrick Lundqvist was on the ice today, in goal and I'm not gonna lie, he looked pretty good... Still, it's a long way away from taking shots from NHL players but it makes you wonder if Hank could be a 3rd string goalie for a playoff run down the road. Maybe he's eyeing a run at backup to IGOR next season :) Even at 42.... /R Open Ice @BR_OpenIce ..... Henrik Lundqvist is back on the ice and looking great (but let’s be real, when is he not?) (via hlundqvistofficial/IG).... https://x.com/BR_OpenIce/status/1849192452793479229

RF4L- Great point about importance of draft picks.... still cannot believe Drury threw in Barron with a 1st and 2nd and 5th round pick for Copp. https://thehockeywriters.com/revisiting-jets-return-andrew-copp-trade/

HOSPO- Great 2 choices, my 2 favorite underrated and underappreciated NYR players by far...

GREAT READ---- https://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-men/article/2024-02-12/why-bcs-gabe-perreault-steal-2023-nhl-draft-rangers

TD: Yes for sure - the Smith deal is far more impactful that procuring a rental for 2 to 3 months. And one could argue the price is less because the competition to acquire is less.

RF4L - you know I don't disagree, but arguably, the Rangers are at a point where they have that luxury because their draft picks have been paying off like crazy...I really wish, though, that DRURY was making deals like the SMITTY Jr. trade as opposed to the TARASENKO, KANE, or the worst of them all, the COPP deal...I'm a lot happier paying a second and a fifth for him in July than pushing that at a rental in February...granted, we're three weeks in and it's a long season...but the Rangers? As of now? They could conceivably be quiet at the deadline. Maybe grab a banging bottom-liner or something. If they keep playing like this, DRURY won't need to do much.

tradestar28 - As they say...if it ain't fixed, why break it? Oh wait...anyway...Yeah, the small sample size of SMITTY Jr. seems to suggest he's A LOT better than WHEELCHAIR. Eye test alone says he's much more agile and, as you could probably guess, a SHIT-TON quicker...I still hate paying a second and fifth for a guy they'll probably never be able to resign...and my gut? I would've tried OTHMANN down where KAKKO is on the CHYTIL line and have KAKKO play on that unit until it works...but that said, he's been very good on that line. He's a motivated player this season, because he's really playing for his last contract, since I strongly doubt there's a snowball's chance in hell that the Rangers will have a red cent to give him...and beyond that, there's a really good chance that OTTER and even possibly Gabe PERREAULT are ready for prime-time next season...ditto with CHEMLAR and BERARD...and EDSTROM sure as shit looks like he's here to stay...but I digress...oddly enough, his advance stats don't look that great compared to previous seasons...but again...who cares?! I don't expect him to be a 60-70 point player, which is what he's on pace for...probably more like 50-55...but that's perfectly fine. As long as he's not a liability and can pot a few goals...he's a perfect...albeit somewhat expensive...fit.

RF4L - You know I like busting your chops on our different approach...And I am not really pooh poohing the picks, just that giving assets up when you have a team that is going for it and has the chance doesn't bother m at all..Overpaying like he did for COPP or wasting picks on the likes of CRUD, ROLOVIC and WEINERBERG last year are another story...If you give up the assets, get something worthy!

I still haven't decided what jersey I want my kids to get me for Xmas.....SCHNIEDS or CUYLLE....I know +/- isn't everything but the kid Line is a combined +24...I so enjoy watching CUYLLE...the amount of skating he does every night being the up top forechecker, gettting back on D and joiningg the rush....and hitting everything in sight...going to then net ..and can handle the puck and shoot...1G 5A and +9 with 29 HITS...twice more than the next Ranger forward (which is a little alarming)..Great to have a player like him

After a year previous Pittsburgh gave up a 3rd to get him. Yeah I realize circumstances were different but Drury is continually overpaying via coughing up high draft picks. Too many people poo-poo such picks but guess what? Igor was a 4th rounder. Cuylle a 2nd rounder. Mancini a 5th. Rempe a 6th. Jones a 3rd. Yes, they are exceptions to the general rule which is all the more reason to keep these picks vs flitting them away...

RF4L - A fifth round pick next year and a 2nd in 2034? Giving that up doesn't bother me one iota...if the player can contribute!..to me, it's more about the player evaluation/worth then spending assets like those given up for HIM (not every player)--they can be recouped

Personally I had no idea if Smith would mesh with the BroBros - hell I don't have an immediate answer on who would! My beef with Smith was the price Drury paid to acquire him. That so far so good is very encouraging, however.

As for the D..I wouldn't be too hard on the D yet....D is struggling right now across the NHL because it takes time to get that defensive structure and mind set in place after very short camps..Rangers are no exception ...plus....the pairs have been juggled because of the Lindgren injury...the opponents have been pretty weak...And with the forwards being so succesfull offensively it is easy (but wrong) for them to be a little lax defensively....It is Laviolette's job to get them refocused a bit on D..He will even if it takes a few bad D game or losses to drive it home.... No worries here whatsoever...Being ready roster wise for the PO wars is another story but that's a ways down the road

TRADE - I didn't think REily Smith was an answer...thought htere was an age/down trend thing.....but.....Looking good right now...From his career and what i have seen as a Ranger he is the type of player that can do a bit of everything--skate, shoot, some skill, defense, Play the PP, PK, not overly physical but not a wimp..Can easily fit in with other players,,...Maybe the right complimentary player for the BROMANCERS? The next 3-5 months will answer that..

REILLY SMITH....6 games, 2G , 4A.............obviously small sample size.......I honestly dont much about him or his game....I do know a few here were not head over heels with the signing. Placed on the Bromance line like Blake Wheeler before him.....and Vatrano......some Kakko sprinkled in over the years.....and a few others prior to the departure of Zucchini...........So the question is...........for all the pundits here..........Who reilly is Reilly Smith? Better than Wheeler? Is he a playoff guy? Very good stats with Vegas in playoffs......and a Cup winner to boot...............Like Billy Crystal said........Any thoughts, any anecdotes, any poems?

Seems that the UTAH game did not teach the defensive lesson well enough.. another game like that against a good opponent when we get behind 3 or 4 goals will serve.. not dis'n a 7-2 win , it just wasn't as impressive as some make it out to be.. loose in our own end and a couple of softie's at the other IMO .. add me to the those that think Lindgren and the team would have been better served by an LTIR stint.. 10 games at the start of the season is no big deal and would have been eligible to come off on Nov 3rd, no need to rush him back into the lineup at all .. JMO

BTW, I agree that the Rangers are relying too much on Igor. This is what happened 2 years ago and last spring and eventually the chickens come home to roost!

ANDREI: Zibanejad is becoming a passer in the current PP. All of it is running thru Bread. And why opulent you right now?

Some unvarnished thoughts on last night's game...might as well start with the bad, since there really wasn't much there...but...but...BUT...the Rangers continue to play loose defensively in front of SHESTERKIN, and if they had, as some fans suggest, a lesser goaltender between the pipes? Say a Jacob MARKSTROM or Jake ALLEN? I don't think we'd have the record we do today. We are, to some extent, living on some really, really, REALLY good goaltending. Not saying these wins would be losses...I don't think they would...but...they might not be a definitive...Why...why...WHY...is Ryan LINDGREN in with a bubble that looks like it's been packed in gauze. This is patently ridiculous. I know the guy needs action and all...but FFS. Let him heal. If he has a broken jaw, the dude is probably down 10 pounds in muscle anyway. What the Rangers DO need is to get Zac JONES playing time...NOW...with that negativity out of the way, there were just so many positives last night...The Rangers are doing a lot of things I wanted them to do for years, and it's paying dividends. Credit to DRURY for keeping this crew together and realizing that they were a very...very...VERY good squad last spring...and that bad luck really did factor into them not going all the way...Best defense is a strong offense, and with all four lines firing? The Rangers are a team that is smothering opponents...this is another point I've been making for YEARS now, which is that if you can roll four effectively and get contributions FROM all four...doesn't matter who you are...you're going to win games...Gotta say, in this early season...the absolute BEST story on this team...hands down...not even close...is Filip CHYTIL finally becoming what he was drafted to be. He has been utterly dominant. And he's added a new dimension to CUYLLE and KAKKO...although the same could be said flipping the equation around. That is the best third line in the NHL. There's no one even close at this point...the MANCINI story is up there...I figured he was a year out when I watched him last spring...but he's here...that's bad news for Zac JONES...which is sad in and of itself, because he is a REALLY good player...I'm thinking, though, that both these guys are going to be strong in the mix to replace LINDGREN and ultimately TROUBA when the team ponies up to pay LAFRENIERE and SHESTERKIN...Speaking of TROUBA...real funny how all those fuck-faced clowns who were bashing him from the playoffs to day 1 have suddenly gone quiet. Part of me wants to go back into my mentions and tell all the asshats who were arguing with me back in May how stupid they are...one in specific..this wanna-be beer leaguer...which is pathetic in and of itself...was trying to talk a big game about it...spouting utter drivel about how TROUBA is the worst defenseman in the NHL and belongs in the ECHL...part of me really does want to chime in and say hi...OH...speaking of critics? How about ZIBANEJAD last night...the guy who was one breath away from the mortuary according to some fans suddenly sprang to life last night...AMAZING how having a winger who meshes well will change the dynamic of a line...SMITTY Jr. and CARRICK...hate to...well, actually no...LOVE to say it...are looking like REALLY good acquistions...Excelsior...onward and upward. Next test, the fucking shitbag PANTHERS. How I would love to put a seven-spot up against that piece of shit franchise and its fuckhole fans.

hipcheck... Every time Trouba lays out a big hit, there is a minority of loud accounts on X that are always bitching about it. They are consistently augmented by the same few NYI/NJD accounts that went back to games against them from last season.

Chytil coming on. Great to see. Also glad Truba is playing the way we are accustomed to after his last season injury.

Currently, there's a lot to like in Ranger-land. Need to keep an eye on the overall team defense and the GAA's at 2 or below. IMO it's an important part of the preparation for the playoffs.

docjay…Agree…Edstrom showed well in his fight this year…He isn’t going to initiate much but he won’t back down…I would like to see him get more minutes to be honest….

HIP - Is that X Twitter people Claiming that? Not only was it an illegal hit..it was a selfish hit that put him out of position...or so the TROUB haters must be spinning...

adam edstrom isnt going to back down from anyone he has already served notice to the nhl that if challenged he will respond and can inflict serious damage . he will be given some space to operate and with his size and soft hands should eventually develop into a 20 goal scorer just by hanging in front of the net

Are people really claiming g the TROUBA hit was high or dirty??? Looked pretty clean to me.

andrei - Damn, for the first time I agreed with everything you said in the post...and just so that doesn't continue...why the Rangers are all in this year for the Cup and will make rental deals aat the deadline if holes develop through injury, slump or if they just aren't "tough enough" for the Cup Run...Long time until then and it has been a great start!...As for Jones, does suck for him not having a top six spot but it takes 8 D and there will be other injuries..He will be back in

By the way. Lindgren has told reporters post game that he had a jaw injury that required surgery. Limited his eating a bit, but that it has healed quickly and it feels better.

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko line at 5v5 this season.... Goals are 7-0 NYR Inner Slot Shots are 15-5 NYR Expected Goals % over 70%

On the positive side, Chytil's line is on FIRE! So good to see Chytil enjoying the game and the line is cooking. A year together, healthy Chytil and we will all see a much different Kakko. It's all about confidence at this point and you can see that Kaapo's game is growing with each game, as his confidence grows. He was such a force tonight. Miller is Miller. Time to time, prone to dumb decisions, but overall, another good game. Funny part is that how Skjei was with the Rangers, until he got to Canes. Rangers are not trading Miller. Not tomorrow, not at the trade deadline and not at the draft. Said it before, 3/4th of the league is looking for a dependable 2nd pair young d-man. Trading him is not a problem. Replacing him, will be. Leafs spend 10 years looking for one. How many d-man they went trough over the years 20? More? They just signed almost 35 year old to a 6 year contract. Lindgren on another hand, is on his way out. Feel for Jones. Kid is so easy to root for, but he just can't find his spot in the lineup. Zbad had few moments tonight where you can see the old Zbad, but then you see plays on the PP where you just have to scratch your head. Really hoping that ZBad continues finding his game. Don't need him to score every game, but for the Rangers to play hockey in June, ZBad simply have to be better than a player that scored only 4 goals, even strength, in the last 55 games.

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NEWFIE - EDSTROM is the WIllie HUBER of forwards :) ..just kidding a bit..he can be physical at times

And the BJs destroyed the Leafs tonight..couldn't hve been the team the Rangers faced!

PJ..........Edstrom ain't smackin anyone, so get used to it.....LOL Part of the problem with a guy this size..so, if he don't score pts,what does he do ???

PJ: The Leafs early on are on or off...when they are on they look scary, when they are off, the Habs shut them out...there seem to be very little in between.

@StapeAthletic · 2m #Isles have been shut out three times in six games this season. Tonight the Wings had 10 shots on goal and maybe 2 HD chances.

The NYR's pulled ahead of the NJD tonight for . Tied in points but ahead in points percentage. With 3 games in hand. Tops in the League.

I just love the way that the kid line works their asses off every damn shift..and they have the Talent to reap the benefits..hopefully this goal gives KK even more confidence

Great offense, 3rd is playing great but I especially liked Trouba, Mancini and Schneider. Lingren has a broken jaw and very rusty ??? Why is he playing? we are 5-0-1 it’s not the playoffs

PJ - it would be .906 if it wasn't for the Devils!..I kid..but their D has been horrid and it is great to see... although they do get that defensive stalwart Puke Hughes back soon

Scoring up big time across the league…Look at the scores….Vally just said league wide save % .898….

Trocheck the only F with over 20 minutes of ice time with 20:37 Miller and Fox the only other two with overt 20 minutes on the team. 4th line got about 10 minutes with Carrick getting about 1 and a half more due to his PK time. Good roster usage tonight.

EDSTROM with amazing patience as he was interfered with and run at several times.

RF4L - KK and CHYTL taking big steps and staying healthy was alwyas the key to the Rangers being a VERY GOOD team..But STAPLEFACE wanted to trade KK this summer just like LAFFY last summer!

3rd line is the top statistical line in the league right now and I’m sure tonight added to their dominance. I don’t think they have been scored on yet?

KK needed that and deserved it!!!..Love taht kid line..They work their asses off!

HOSPO- agreed- but I don’t let the idiots bother me anymore! Still the fastest place to get news, but I’m still close to deleting the app.

Go get your 3 seconds PP2. What a fucking joke. Poor game management. When PP1 goes cold, and they ultimately will, PP2 will no continuity/chemistry b/c they always get paltry minutes

CM - You and TDCHI spend too much time on Twitter X!!! :)...This place is all i can handle!

Mean Trouba is great to have on your team. Twitter X will continue to campaign that he’s the worst d-man in the league, lol!

Trouba is a beast. He os the defender the fans always want except this past summer

I am soooooo glad DRURY screwed the pooch in his attempt to deal TROUBS..when healthy, such a beast on the PK..big part of any attempt at the Cup

It’s early in the season and the Rangers are winning and love the talent but…this kind of style of play does not win you playoff games. Love the 4th line play and MANCINI and SCHNEIDER. My concern is this style of play may not be great against the heavier forecheck teams.

Fucking Miller. I swear this dude has rocks for brains. If their is a young Top 6 center available for him I strongly consider pulling the trigger

NCRanger - agree about SCHNEIDS (a complet D-man) and LAFFY..Berrard will have to wait at least a year..When Vesey comes back..They have 5 4th liners..Now, WHEN not if a top 9 W goes down maybe you move up EDSTROM (my choice) or slide in OTH/Berrard if they have made huge strides...Laviolettes call

Schneider and Laf are up for A’s or C when the old guard ages out. That was one hell of a draft for Gorton. I’d love to see a 4th line of Vesey-Edstrom-Berard. Physicality, defense, agitation, and most of all….scoring ability. Would be a heck of a line IMO. I digress…offensive pond hockey in the first and they tightened up on D. Although, Lindgren is struggling a bit tonight, the overall lineup feels more balanced w/ him in the lineup.

@NYR_PR · 1h For the first time in franchise history, the Rangers have scored at least four goals in each of the first six games of a season. #NYR is the fourth team in the NHL since 1990-91 to notch the feat.

Chytil still puts himself in harms way far too many times, and for a big guy he sure gets knocked down easily. BTW someone should be paying Dach a visit after he gave extra to Chytil after a hard hit but I forget what team I follow.

This is a very deep and strong range team. When VC comes back, they will be even stronger because he'll replace J bro. If somebody gets hurt, they have players that can fill-in. They should be an entertaining year.

Looking at that rig Lindgren is wearing and I am wondering if maybe he should have waited another week. He doesn’t look like he can see or pick up the puck and just rusty.

Before the goal, I was going to ask, has anyone else noticed that Miller is more physical since being put with Fox? Was he holding back physicality wise with Trouba? Maybe concerned that both of them would be out of position making hits? Because to me he is noticeably more physical

That last pressure by the haabs was 100% off a guy hooking Bread off the puck. Every time he has touched the puck tonight, he has been hooked and slashed.

Rangers have been guilty of far too much stick checking . In all games so far this season. Just scoring a bunch of goals has covered it up. 4-2

D zone play remains poor .. and over handling the puck.. not playin fast out of the zone or through the neutral zone.. The Habs are worse so far though ... these games, if you win , can ingrain bad habits that against better structured teams costs u .. looking for improved d zone and neutral zone play .. we all know u can zip it around the o-zone.. now play some solid D to go with it... just sayin

Stevie... He's actually Chris Drury's guy. I don't think Gorton would make that mistake twice.

rf4l: Rough situation for a D man on his first game of the season after sitting for the last 3 weeks. Wonder if he would have been that slow to respond after a game or two, or hell even later in this game.

Bread is amazing to watch. I know there are those that think he should be jettisoned because he hasn’t produced enough in the playoffs, but he makes my hockey watching damn enjoyable.

Rhet- isn’t it TD who hates Brooks? I didn’t think Wildcard was the anti- Brooks. But he was reporting what Mollie was saying. But good info from whomever reported it.

Just my observation on the icing- it looked like Edström beat the Habs player - maybe the icing was waved off? Didn’t see the arm up, but I wasn’t watching carefully.

Wild….Made worse by the Linesman raising his arm….Damn right Habs had the right to be pissed…

So... LARRY BROOKS is okay as long as he's on a podcast with someone else? Is that the rules?

If that non icing was against the Rangers I would be upset. I will take it, and so will JBro and the Rangers, but a tie is supposed to go to the defending team, and it seems clear that Edstrom got to the hash marks at the same time as the two defenders

Stevielegs: I think so on Lindgren. Mollie Walker on a podcast also said he had some "extra padding" that may have been bandages. SO there may have been some sort of procedure as well

So what was lindgren’s upper body injury that he’s wearing a full face mask? A broken jaw?

Oh, wokeness in hockey...Last night on the NHL Network..the two bozos (or bozo and bozette) were making a huge deal about Montgomery touching MARCHAND the other night when he was yelling and trying to make a point..and how that isn't or shouldn't be allowed..These are athletes for Christ Sakes...God, I hate what the media has become in all facets..and how higher ups in Leagues and teams bow down to them usually..Life in the USA

Let's try that again... In regard to Jake Guentzel: Firstly, I don't think there was any way that PITT was going to trade him to us. That said, we really could've used him. With the CANES, he had 9 points in 11 games. Roslovic had just 8 points in 16 games. With Kreider and Z, Gentzel is likely a point per game player. We REALLY could've used him against FLORIDA. He likely would've been a difference maker.

In regard to Jake Guentzel: Firstly, I don't think there was any way that PITT was going to trade him to us. That said, we really could've used him. With the CANES, he had 9 points in 11 games. Roslovic had just 8 points in 16 games.

RF4L - It's bad enough I have to look at ZBAD's mopey mug, no way I could have handled Guentzel, something about his mug that just irks me together with his constant whining

NC/TDCHI - I am totally with NC in that the only pairings that make sense to me are Lindgren-Fox, Miller-Schneider (great last year); Troubs-Kiddo with Troubs being the PK monster..Then again, I am not a HOF coach!...But guess I can buy the "easing Lindgren in " explanation but can LINDGREN be "eased in" to anything?

TD: I know I was totally against pursuing Geuntzel due to the ridiculous asset cost if would have been and for a rental to boot (which is what happened to the Canes - they had him for like 2 month and what happened? Ousted 2nd round).

So another nob who refused to sign with his drafting club is finding it far more difficult to establish himself with his new club. In this case, it's Cutter Gauthier who refused to sign with the Flyers. He's struggling with the Ducks and was recently benched. Reaping what you sowed!

NCRanger - My guess? It's because they want to easy LINDGREN back in and that he and MANCINI will probably get between 15 and 17 minutes tops...The other thing? I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see the FOX-LINDGREN duo back together by the third period, if not sooner.

RF4L - LOL, yeah there was a vocal contingent of fans...pretty much all on Twitter/X unless I'm mistaken...who were apoplectic about the Rangers not chasing after GUENTZEL at the deadline. I've always found that dude to be very overrated and essentially a CROSBY/MALKIN merchant...that contract is NOT gonna age well...I can tell you that...

13 forwards 8 d 2 g . When Vesey comes back they have to make a move. Dd drury is buying double breasted vests with inside cap pockets.

hopefully, it is just because first game back that Lindgren is not back with Fox.. dislike the Fox/Miller pair they do not seem to mess IMO

Lavy is bordering on an incompetent tool. Why on earth would you not pair Lindgren w/ Fox? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Lindgren/Fox, Miller/Schneider, Boom Boom/Troubs, let’s go

They certainly do love him in Montreal.... per Remy Mastey @MasteyRemy .... Alexis Lafrenière is drawing a big media crowd after practice in Montreal today. #NYR

Mollie Walker @MollieeWalkerr ..... Chad Ruhwedel, Zac Jones and Matt Rempe staying out on the ice late for #NYR

Colin Stephenson @ColinSNewsday.... Lindgren is in tonight, Laviolette says. And he’s partnering with Mancini. #NYR

Hope you feel better soon E. My elderly mother went through that about 5 years ago. She was up and about fairly quickly so hopefully the same goes for you.