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@NYP_Brooksie: "We’re told that the #NYR personnel people were all-in on (Matt)Boldy, and that if the ping-pong balls had bounced a different way, GM Jeff Gorton would have calling out the Massachusetts’ native’s name and not the one of the lad from Turku." Dayum!

Jfc31 I did indeed excellent reference by the way....I don't know what to do I fuckin hate drury.....as Popeye would say I yam what I yam..

Any interest in Charlie Coyle? Big boy struggling in Bean Town…natural center who also plays RW

vcp - You’re like Michael Corleone in The Gidfather 3…I thought you said you were done watching the Rangers…but, like Corleone, I guess they pulled you back in! Lol!

Okay, I never got to weigh in on the last period and my overall experience at the game: I, too was thrilled with Rempe up until the hit. However, as stupid as it was I am fine with it for the reason that the Rangers have an excellent PK. I’m sure I’d feel differently if Dallas Scored, but if a player takes a bad penalty and the PK/Goalie kill it off, awesome. The team did its job. Here’s the thing I like about what Rempe brings: everyone is aware when he’s on the ice. The Rangers are more physical when he is in the lineup and he did his job. Again, penalty killed, gamewise: not a problem. But he will be suspended. I thought it was a hit from behind when I saw it, replays confirmed that he saw the numbers. However, he did not leave his feet. The follow through momentum took him off his feet AFTER the hit. Similar to hits we’ve seen before. He did hit the back first and the elbow slid up, but he led with the elbow. That combined with the numbers and he’s suspended. Bummed he’s out of the lineup, but hopefully he’ll learn from it. Rest of the game: Shesty was amazing. He’s good for one slump a year and I thought it would continue after the first non-goal and then the one that counted. But then he was lights out. There was a great Ranger Dan presence. But I wasn’t near many Ranger dans and there were more empty seats than expected. I liked the Dallas production, minus the cheerleaders. The videos were fun. Wasn’t confident in our 3rd pair, but overall there were a lot less defensive gaffes. Infuriatingly, the stars did seem to get behind our D a few times. I wasn’t happy either Panarin after he missed the empty net- he kind of slacked back to the bench even with a star bringing the puck up behind him. KREIDER- definitely looks hurt. He would go in for a check and he looked like it would hurt him if he finished a back. Can’t think of snythjngvrkse except it was a pleasant surprise given what I was expecting and after the first 3 minutes of chaos!

Rempe didn't leave his feet when he was bent over towards the boards is when he got lifted up slightly.. he didn't even elbow him. Michelletti should shut the fuck up.his elbow went it his shoulder blade then as the player bent over contact with elbow and neck was made .. possible those NHL idiots will blow up the picture. ...nope to dam stupid and inconsistent...

E I will take that bet lololol no way ......berard tooo small not fast enough good luck

hey wild, you are a moron if you dont think he left his feet....the video shows it

HOSPO: Berard is gonna be a 20-30 goal scorer in the NHL. At least he has every chance to be an impactful guy.

Top. He did not leave his feet. Get the fuck out of here with made up shit. I have a screen shot post contact where both feet are firmly on the ice. No question.

Chris drury and the whole organization is extremely suspect. Date Trade Grade GM Dec 18 2024 The Seattle Kraken acquired Kaapo Kakko from the New York Rangers for William Borgen, a 2025 3rd round pick and a 2025 6th round pick F Drury Dec 6 2024 The Anaheim Ducks acquired Jacob Trouba from the New York Rangers for Urho Vaakanainen and conditional 2025 4th Round Pick B Drury Jul 1 2024 The New York Rangers acquired Reilly Smith from the Pittsburgh Penguins for a 2027 2nd round pick and conditional 2025 5th round pick F Drury Jun 29 2024 The New York Rangers acquired a 2024 4th round pick (#119) from the Nashville Predators for a 2024 4th round pick (#127) and 2026 7th round pick F Drury Mar 8 2024 The New York Rangers acquired Jack Roslovic from the Columbus Blue Jackets for a 2026 4th round pick F Drury Mar 8 2024 The Minnesota Wild acquired Turner Elson from the New York Rangers for Nic Petan NA Drury Mar 8 2024 The New York Rangers acquired Chad Ruhwedel from the Pittsburgh Penguins for a 2027 4th round pick F Drury Mar 6 2024 The New York Rangers acquired Alexander Wennberg from the Seattle Kraken for 2024 2nd Round Pick and 2025 4th Round Pick F Drury Jun 29 2023 The New York Rangers acquired a 2023 3rd round pick (#90) from the Pittsburgh Penguins for a 2023 3rd round pick (#91) and a 2024 7th round pick NA Drury May 31 2023 The Edmonton Oilers acquired Jayden Grubbe from the New York Rangers for a 2023 fifth round pick NA Drury Mar 3 2023 The New York Rangers acquired Wyatt Kalynuk from the Vancouver Canucks for future considerations NA Drury Mar 3 2023 The New York Rangers acquired Anton Blidh from the Colorado Avalanche for Gustav Rydahl F Drury Feb 28 2023 The Chicago Blackhawks acquired 2023 conditional 2nd Round Pick, 2025 4th Round Pick and Andy Welinski from the New York Rangers for Cooper Zech (part of Patrick Kane double retention trade) NA Drury Feb 28 2023 The New York Rangers Acquired Patrick Kane from the Arizona Coyotes for a 2025 conditional 3rd Round Pick D Drury Feb 28 2023 The Nashville Predators acquired Austin Rueschhoff from the New York Rangers for future considerations NA Drury Feb 25 2023 The Vancouver Canucks acquired Vitali Kravtsov from the New York Rangers for William Lockwood and a 2026 7th round pick. D Drury Feb 19 2023 The New York Rangers acquired Tyler Motte from the Ottawa Senators for Julien Gauthier and a conditional 2023 7th round pick B Drury Feb 9 2023 The New York Rangers acquired Vladimir Tarasenko and Niko Mikkola from the St. Louis Blues for Sammy Blais, Hunter Skinner, conditional 2023 first round pick and conditional 2024 third round pick C+ Drury Nov 23 2022 The Minnesota Wild acquired Ryan Reaves from the New York Rangers for 2025 fifth round pick B Drury Sep 19 2022 The Dallas Stars acquired Nils Lundkvist from the New York Rangers for a 2023 conditional first round pick and 2025 conditional fourth round pick C Drury Jul 13 2022 The Arizona Coyotes acquired Patrik Nemeth, 2025 second round pick and conditional 2026 second round pick from New York Rangers for Ty Emberson F Drury Jul 7 2022 The Colorado Avalanche acquired Alexandar Georgiev from the New York Rangers for 2022 third and fifth round picks and 2023 third round pick A Drury Mar 28 2022 The New York Rangers acquired Maxim Letunov from the Carolina Hurricanes for Tarmo Reunanen NA Drury Mar 21 2022 The New York Rangers acquired Andrew Copp and 2023 sixth round pick from the Winnipeg Jets for Morgan Barron, 2022 conditional second round pick, 2022 conditional second round pick (updated to first), and 2023 fifth round pick D Drury Mar 21 2022 The San Jose Sharks acquired Anthony Bitetto from the New York Rangers for Nicholas Merkley NA Drury Mar 21 2022 The New York Rangers acquired Tyler Motte from the Vancouver Canucks for 2023 4th Round Pick B Drury Mar 21 2022 The New York Rangers acquired Justin Braun from the Philadelphia Flyers for 2023 third round pick F Drury Mar 16 2022 The New York Rangers acquired Frank Vatrano from the Florida Panthers for a 2022 4th Round Pick A Drury Jul 29 2021 The New York Rangers acquired Ryan Reaves from the Vegas Golden Knights for 2022 third round pick D Drury Jul 24 2021 The New York Rangers acquired 2021 third round pick (#75) from Washington Capitals for 2021 third round pick (#80) and 2021 sixth round pick (#176) NA Drury Jul 23 2021 The St. Louis Blues acquired Pavel Buchnevich from the New York Rangers for Sammy Blais and 2022 second round pick F Drury Jul 21 2021 The Seattle Kraken acquired Colin Blackwell from the New York Rangers in the expansion draft NA Drury Jul 17 2021 The New York Rangers traded Brett Howden to the Vegas Golden Knights for Nick DeSimone and 2022 fourth round pick D Drury Jul 17 2021 The New York Rangers acquired Barclay Goodrow from the Tampa Bay Lightning for a 2022 7th Round Pick D Drury Mar 27 2021 The Los Angeles Kings acquired Brendan Lemieux from the New York Rangers for a 2021 fourth round pick C Gorton Oct 7 2020 The New York Rangers acquired 2020 fifth round pick (#127) from the San Jose Sharks for 2020 seventh round pick (#196) and 2020 seventh round pick (#206) Gorton Oct 7 2020 The Los Angeles Kings acquired Lias Andersson from the New York Rangers for 2020 second round pick (#60) A Gorton Oct 6 2020 The New York Rangers acquired 2020 First Round Pick (#19) from the Calgary Flames for 2020 First Round Pick (#22) & 2020 Third Round Pick (#72) NA Gorton Sep 26 2020 The Detroit Red Wings acquired Marc Staal and 2021 second round pick from the New York Rangers for future considerations A Gorton Feb 24 2020 The Carolina Hurricanes acquired Brady Skjei from the New York Rangers for a 2020 first round pick B+ Gorton Feb 19 2020 The New York Rangers acquired J-F Berube from Philadelphia Flyers for future considerations NA Gorton Feb 18 2020 The New York Rangers acquired Julien Gauthier from the Carolina Hurricanes for Joey Keane B Gorton Oct 7 2019 The New York Rangers traded Vladislav Namestnikov to the Ottawa Senators for Nick Ebert and 2021 fourth round pick C Gorton Jul 1 2019 The Buffalo Sabres acquired Jimmy Vesey from New York Rangers for 2021 third round pick A Gorton Jun 17 2019 The Winnipeg Jets acquired Neal Pionk and a 2019 1st Round Pick from the New York Rangers for Jacob Trouba F Gorton Apr 30 2019 The New York Rangers acquired Adam Fox from Carolina Hurricanes for 2019 second round pick and 2020 conditional third round pick A Gorton Feb 25 2019 Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Adam McQuaid from New York Rangers for 2019 4th Round Pick & 2019 7th Round Pick A Gorton Feb 25 2019 Winnipeg Jets acquire Kevin Hayes from New York Rangers for Brendan Lemieux, 2019 1st Round Pick & Conditional 4th Round Pick B Gorton Feb 23 2019 Dallas Stars acquire Mats Zuccarello from New York Rangers for Conditional 2nd & 3rd Rnd Picks C Gorton Jun 23 2018 Carolina traded Vegas' 7th-round pick in the 2018 NHL Draft (previously acquired, 216th overall) to NY Rangers for Boston's 7th-round pick in 2019 (previously acquired). Gorton

The game showed why Drury was always going to give Igor, 11.5 million for 8 years. He alone ensures Rangers make the playoffs and Drury keeps his job no matter what he does. Dolan doesn't give a rats ass about winning a Cup, he only cares about the rangers making the playoffs and the Knicks winning a championship.

His play has deteriorated to the point that he is no longer ZBAD…he is now ZSUCKS…He’s a liability for us when he is on the ice. He needs a change of scenery and we need to not look at him anymore.

For the record, I love REMPE, I don't care how many guys he destroys out there, I've been waiting for a player like him for the Rangers for my whole life. He should be a staple in the line-up. These suspensions just build his reputation. Bottom line, Rangers win when he is in there, period!

Musing to myself.. imagine if u could have combined Kakko's size with Berard's speed and tenacity.. that would be some player ...

Watching the fame last jighr, i thouggt , Rempe you are huge dumbass. You do so many thi gs right and create pP and you go throw an idiotic penalty. Smh

If not for his size, this hit wouldn't have been so bad. Thankfully, his forearm looks like it hit the shoulder first and there is no elbow to the head(at least not from the video I've seen). If Rempe were a normal sized player, we likely wouldn't even be talking about this hit at all.... He is going to miss a minimum of at least 6 games and probably even more knowing this league.

What does Berard provide except hustle?..Big deal he yaps at big guys that he knows really won't do anything against a little fucking munchkin...He keeps up that shit, one eventually will..but he will likel ybe injured before that..But, I'll take BERARD 100X over EDSTROM and his utter nothingness.....All that said, Vesey back in for 5 games I guess...Hope the team can keep the same attitude going against a butt hurt pansy Carolina squad that got mnhandled by the Caps

Jerry_Garcia - Ma dude. HE LEAD WITH HIS ELBOW. You can't even argue that. Instant penalty. Most likely game misconduct. Probably a suspension. That's no bueno. Hit like that just a couple inches to the right could've broken the guy's neck. HEISKENIN isn't short either. The stupid part is if he had kept his elbow down, tucked a bit and used his shoulder? CLEAN HIT. He would've still destroyed HEISKANEN. May have gotten a boarding call, but at the absolute worst? Two minutes.

Rhet0ric - It's funny you mention that, re: BERARD...but my 10 steps of coping with the KAKKO trade, I was thinking the same thing: If KAKKO was still here, BERARD wouldn't be...I would've much preferred to have BOTH in the lineup and moved someone like SMITTY...but I guess if this gets BEEBS a full-time spot and 12-14 minutes a night? That is, in fact, a positive of deal...along those lines too...not to justify the still-dismal return or anything...but OTHMANN is skating again and close to returning...and PERREAULT is right around the corner...He could be here as early as March...so that's two wingers...and with SYKORA also starting to ramp up? I guess a winger had to go, and he was the most logical one TO go...though I would argue that guy was/is SMITTY...but I digress...

No Rempe no win last night. Hit was like all the others players dish out, you turn your back at last moment is your problem. Did not leave his feet and hit with his forearm not elbow. Call on the ice was a joke, NHL refs sucks again. Enjoy Rempe or enjoy loosing. Like last year, I rather see him in ALL the games vs last 10 games before Rempe's return.

Glad to see MSG's ploy with REMPE worked! KAKKO who? Oh we have REMPE! Yay all is well...And as for my 'invective' obeservations on him...Again, we have two paths with the guy: Turn him into a MacDERMID-type player...or develop him into an NHLer. Right now, he's the former with a little bit more speed. That's all. He could be a genuine player, but he's got to use his fucking brain. ANYTIME you lead with your elbow and hit a guy above the shoulders, you're done for the game. And while he was good about it for half the game, that elbow to HEISKANEN was a full-on boner move that, had it not been for SHESTERKIN'S heroics, would've cost them the game. I think he played OK, per se, but it was clear he was pretty much focused solely on hitting people. And with him on that line, fourth line...the same one that was getting basically half the scoring chances each game, pretty much looked like your old-school grinder line. Zero offense...doesn't matter though, cuz REMPE will be gone for the next three to five games...BUT! He served his purpose. Gave fans something to cheer about and not think about how badly the team got taken on the KAKKO deal.

BTW Pack lost 1 0 yesterday and Garand stood on his head apparently. Again. Trade Igor. Barfalo desperately needs goaltending. Send him there for Cozens Sameulsson and Levi.

On REMPE - I think probably too much is made about him, on both sides. He’s not a savior and he’s not a disaster. But, with where this team is currently, IMO, you need to take the good and the bad with him right now. When he’s not suspended, lol, he needs to stay in the lineup and with decent 4th line ice time (10+ mins/game?). Hell, I would sprinkle some specials with him as well.

R47 - because he sucks. Went full Kamensky mode! I would agree with the consensus about a better effort yesterday, but if Igor wasn’t lights out I believe we still would have lost. I like to think I can see the forest from the trees. This team is far off from a SC finalist. I’d rather continue the sell off of vets and re-tool/re-build this year. We need top end C’s in the system. And eventually a younger progressively minded/modern day coach. Think Washington coach. Todd Nelson might be an example. What we’re more likely to see. DD clinging to hope to scratch and claw for a 2nd WC spot to get Jimmy Boy’s playoff gate. This franchise is mired in perpetual mediocrity

Unless it's wrong, the stat I saw from yesterday says that Z had 0 shots on goal.....how can that be???

In person hearing for Rempe, I think that means 5 games? That was a major penalty but not a five-game suspension to go along with it..

wild... you dont think that hit was a major? lol he not only elbowed him but also left his feet. it was a dimbass penalty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvzTcAwgmM

Rempe was great but the boarding was just unnecessary. He knows it. But most of the game he was in position and he was keeping heads on swivels. He did inject some energy.

Oh yeah, I am waiting for TDCHI's invective tke on REMPS.....And, yeah, LINDGREN looked the best in a long time......ZBAD is like tits on a bull...just brings little...He can still skate..just needs to wnt it more, engage more..Can he? KREIDER really does look hurt..We need a BIG WING

Cnparda…Last night was the Lindgren we all remember…He had a good game and was very physical…

I am surprised Sam didn't have the stats bout the last time a Ranger plyer DREW 3 penalties (actually 4 after his major!)...That long with helping to bring a much tougher psyche and attitude was key.... :))Hopefully Laviolette weighs the good that Rempe brought last night, the long term good he could bring versus his big mistake.....As someone said, he and the coaches have to help him learn..my biggie is hitting in the back....that's where he needs to hold off...the elbow thing because of his height and getting screwed by the Refs is gonna be hard to change.......ALl tht said....Play REMPS tomorrow!!

Another player who stepped up his game immensely yesterday was LINDGREN. I know he was terrible for a while but I think the Rangers will miss his play if they move him.

With Rempe in the line up, the boys play with a swagger and physicality that is absent when he is. The game has changed in many ways over the days when every team had enforcers, but it is still physical and there needs to be a little fear out on the ice if we do not want to watch the ice capades or a repeat of the last dozen games. Drury needs to be on the phone and privately express his concern to the league bosses for the bias that Rempe receives.

So sit Rempe down and show him clips of Chara hits until he falls off his chair. You learn to drop your aim and bend your knees. He is skating better. Now he needs to be hitting smarter. Give Housley something to do besides picking his nose. Run the video machine.

I think Rempe’s problem is everyone he hits he is taller than it’s that simple . It’s pre determined in his brain probably as long as he has had skates on that after hit hits someone into the boards his head and or face is also going to hit the glass as he is over the opposition . That is the main reason I think his elbow is up . If that’s not worded correctly I Am sure it’s understood .

The rangers need to file a complaint ever time Rempe gets a worse penalty than any player not a fighter would get. That elbow was jot major penalty worthy. Sorry. It jsut wasn’t. There have been worse elbows than that uncalled in the past and many many many that level called two minutes. Refs need to face discipline from the NHL when they alter what they call based on the players involved. We don’t need the nhl getting more like the nba. Yes it was a penalty. No it’s wasn’t worth a major. And then to give him an extra penalty when 3 guys jump him…come on ref. That’s bullshit. Rempe played really great up until that point and he deserved a lot more respect than he got from the refs there.

Rempire…https://nypost.com/2024/12/21/sports/matt-rempe-brought-big-impact-before-ejection-in-rangers-return/

I believe that the Rangers' record with Rempe in the line-up is now 16-4-2. I'm beginning to see a trend here, whether he takes stupid penalties or not. He adds confidence to a very soft team, and that's enough to make a HUGE difference up and down the roster. That record is no accident.

PJ _ Yep, said it earlier, I was impressed with Borgen's game als..could be some crow heading my way on him!

Hospo…Now that you mention it Borgen does look like Vesey…Like two kids in high school…That said I liked Borgen’s game tonight…Not a weak stickchecker in front of our net…Need more of that…

PJ - Glad somebody else agrees with me on EDSTROM..even if wrong!!!! .Been saying that for a long time..... But i do think EDSTROM might play with more balls with REMPs rubbiung off on him,...Is it just me, or do Borgen and Vesey look a little like cousins or inbred step brothers?

Enjoyed the win although was screaming all night at the penalties…Easily best effort in a LONG time…So much more desperation and actually getting to loose pucks…Goalie your best penalty killer and Igor came up big…Great effort all around…Rempe was having one of his better games until the major penalty…Dallas should have got the only minor…That was bullshit…Laviolette in postgame praised Rempe so hope he plays Sunday…Negatives to me were the PP….Z needs to be removed from it completely…Also Edstrom really doesn’t do anything….Even in a scrum he stands there like an idiot…

Was going over the wall from earlier - hidden gem by Stevie - “Bring out your dead”, lol! Classic, haha.

STEVIE - No bets here! which one was i rumored to make? I know you said they would likely win tonight...i wasn't as optimistic...but good to see a win and effort!

RF4L - I hear ya on ZBAD, the guy is a skating shell now, but i did see EDSTROM and CARRICK on at the end......Watching the Caps and Panthers....we have CUYLLE for hitting and banging and some skill but we desperately need a big and strong winger like the Caps have in ..But they don't grow on trees!

NEWFIE _ I know all that..I was praising the kid all night..The Rangers haven't drawn a penalty in 173 mins and 42 sec..yet REMPs draws 3..He can be a big part of the team..will his decision making and Laviolettes love of BRODZ get in the way? We shall see..But, like you, I would take the long look and keep talkign to him and playing him...

The weird thing about tonight's game is that killing off that 5 Minute penalty could be more important to this team's psyche than even scoring a bunch of goals could. Time will tell.

Just 1 goal against, that's always good. The the 2 points and prepare for the next game...

Hospo....listen ,you and I know both that it was yet another dumb penalty by the kid....but you have to look at the big picyure . We have a super star goalie,probably the best PK in the league and I might add ...if we had scored on one or two of those PP chances that Rempe gifted us,we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Rempe probably won't even be dressed if we can get in the PO"S. But if only for that one dumb penalty we would be praising the kid instead of shittin' on him.I think He helped inspire this win tonight .

Certainly put Rempe back in .. but has to be learning experience, be physical but controlled to be effective.. which he was until that play .. IMO

Igor was great but take away the 9 shots during the 5 minute PK and you have a better read on how much better the Rangers were defensively

I agree also…get Rempe back in there. Whether he sticks on this squad is up to him…

Much batter game, better effort. I agree with Newfie/hospo. So Rempe takes a dumb penalty? Kill it off and move on. You know what would have made that less a big deal? How about scoring another goal. The offense sucked for the third period. You have to put Rempe right back in. Rather than what the fat bozo will probably do. Borgen looked OK and looks like he likes to work over opponents which is nice to see from our defense.

Kreider looks back is sore. Rempe back in on Sunday. 2 new defenseman were pretty good. Igor, Fox and Trocheck my stars

Best TEAM effort in awhile but, make no mistake, this game comes down to IGOR nd the teamwide PK... a good smll step out of the muck...nd i put team in CAPS because they haven't looked like a team in ages

I’m not fooled. Shesterkin with the win! They should request to play the entire game down a man

Awesome work by CUYLLE..it's an EN but we need to get Kreider going..but, i'll be honest, he looks like he's hurting after that gol

NEWFIE - You know i love Rempe..but he's gotta learn or he'll be drummed out of the legue like RYAN HOLLWEG..Question is, how to they proceed? I think he can be important to this team so I put him right back in on Sunday, others will fell different..

Rangers have had their sticks active all game long, they’ve contested every pass and every loose puck…they’ve been playing tenaciously…great effort!!

Am I blind .......or did we just kill off the 5 mins caused by Rempe ? It's called hockey ......sit back and enjoy it. Rempe did't just rob a bank or get caught with a DUI.......GEEEEEEEEZ

Rempe needs to smarten up.. plays a strong game and then takes a dumbass penalty .. BUT the team rallies with a strong PK...

And I agree on BORGEN..I have been impressed..there..I said it..And IGOR..oh my god!

JFC - Somehow I think we have said the same exact thing back 2 back like 4 different times tonight..Be afraid!

and it sure shouldn't hve been matching roughing penalties...Stars should have got an extra 2

Rempe goes and wrecks all the good things he’s done tonight with that stupid bullshit! God damnit!

Lafrenière defers to Bread too much tonight…he needs to SHOOT instead of padding to Panarin on the red line at an impossible angle

Pens General Manager Kyle Dubas and AGM Jason Spezza are in attendance for tonight’s Hartford Wolfpack game, seated above Section 114. Hmmm…

Maybe drury told Shazam that his new contract starts next year but it might be with another team if you don’t wtfu

Stevie...........exactly and that's why I kept accusing Kakko of doing "nothing " shift after shift ,game in game out. He wasn't playing to his strengths. but this big goofy kid comes up, works his but off, skates hard and goes to the dirty places and VOILA...draws three penalties before half the game is over. Lessons to be learned here for Coaches and fans alike, in my opinion.

I like what I’m seeing from Borgen in this game! He’s definitely physical in front and he has shown good instincts of when to push and when to retreat

2nd period: Reno’s is the man! And above said before, this team goes as Shesterkin goes. He’s been pedestrian for weeks, and they started out the way he started. They actually are outhitting them and the PK is excellent. But I’m fine not testing them next period!

Been watching the Ranger game the Caps-Canes game at the same time..Caps pounded the Canes...If the Rngers care about performnce in the POs, any moves they make needs to make them stronger and heavier and harder to play against

Well, future Captain Cools looks like a second overall tonight. Takes some of the sting away.

Wow..IGOR solid and spectaacular in every aspect..Have a feeling the 3rd periuod all rests on IGOR..hopefully the Rangers can get a counter goal

For whatever the reason(s), the meetings,the criticality of the situation, the Kakkao/Borgen trade, Panarina back in, Remps up nd playimg, the effort and, exepcially the attitude has been better for2 periods

Newfie too many use the same criteria for every player, instead of looking at what their strengths are. They want 10 panarins .

This is the best we’ve looked in WEEKS! They’re starting to feel confident again…you can see it by the way they’re padding the puck on the PP…both units!

So Rempe does nothing at this level hey ?????????????? LOL to the on believers ...........

Make that 3 drawn penalties form Rempe! He’s having a very good game! He’s making a BIG difference!

REmps drawing 2 penalties ..and making an impact..on his linemates and the entire team vibe (IMWO)

Notes from the back row: game started off wonky. Thought it was going to be 7-0 after the first but then they settled down. Our PK is still good. Rempe destroyed a guy in the Dallas end right below me. You could feel the hit up here! They looked much better at times. Still done defensive gaffs. I noticed Borgen hitting so so r (is he wearing 17?) bread with a terrible turnover but nice to see him out there.

After a nervous start, you could feel a momentum shift after the Smith shorty, the big Rempe hit, then Berard’s tough munchkin moment. Now let’s see if they can build off of it. Still a lot going wrong in their coverages but Shesty was good. If Peca is running their PK, maybe his role needs to be increased…he has that unit at the top of the NHL on a team that otherwise struggles defensively. Whoever is handling the overall defensive scheme maybe isn’t getting it done?

Focusing on the positives- the team looked like they are coming out of their funk. Effort was there, and they are more engaged in puck battles. FOX looks like he used to, which is probably the best sign. Gotta clean up the coverage but a decent period.

REMPE has his warts but when he skates and hits the team changes a little...Hopefully some of the testosterone rubs off on EDSTROM too

Easy for muchkins to jaw at Big guys, nothing ever happens.....Why the fuck is JOnes benched for crap like Ruwhedel and the Fin? Becasue Dickweed Drury aquired those two schmoes??

More size more speed more physicality wanted by lardass . Why stop there you moron of excuses.

Blackwell is still around. Nyr love to feed the league anyone they can. Bring out your dead.

Complete mess in their own end... and wTF .. after Zbad was afraid of Benn on the offside goal .. did Laviolette leave that line out there.. just so he could blow coverage and get scored on anyway .. accountability .. his ass should have been on the bench and that line miss a shift .. my god...

Hey lardass do you and housely both want to be retired? Defense in your own zone is a disaster all year so blame the players.

And there’s our $12m goalie on top of no D. Keep this up and Shesty will request a trade by the deadline. Drury turned this team into a joke. Top 3 pick here we come

Lardass does whatever he wants to and then he blames the players and their mistakes. He’s a sad case of mumbling. He doesn’t believe his decisions and what he does makes a difference. I think he’s ready for the retirement plan and is hoping drury obliges.

CMark hope you have plenty of tissues. Either for the nosebleed or the tears…either way, you’re covered! I hope you have a good time.

Here at the American Airlines Center- lots of Ranger fans! At least one Fire Drury sign so far!1 Rempe Jersey. I’m in the 2nd to last row in the upper deck!

So, Bogen is going to play right on the pair with Scheider, who is going back to his left side. Could be a good pair. Based on reporters, Rangers were looking at Bogen for a while.

Hey can leetch teach fox to skate , take some power skating lessons for gods sake already not a fox but a turtle

Fox needs to go , skates in mud , too small ..get something back he will cry after Lindgren is gone get rid of both......

Carey WILSON was at the very dawn of my Ranger fandom. I remember thinking who the hell is this scrub. But then he was pretty decent at least one of those season…then I was pumped about Jody HULL because I thought he was Bobby’s son, not some scrub! Anywho, Colin WILSON was Carey’s son and I remember wanting HIM on the Rangers for YEARS! He was sick in college, but never really took the next step.

Wait. Wut? Will BORGEN was/is “high” on other GMs’ list(s)?! There’s something high, but it ain’t that player…like really?! That’s where we’re at? BORGEN isn’t terrible. He’s just not that good. Again. TROUBA-lite. Doesn’t have the shot or the speed, but he does love to hit and I guess he’s not much of step down defensively…but a second rounder? First, unless the Rangers are a solid 20 points out of playoff position, ain’t no one getting sold at the deadline. Full stop right there. If anyone IS moved, it’ll be someone who has fallen out of favor or who is getting no ice. Maybe RUHWEDEL or VAAKANAINEN…BORGEN will be gone as a UFA. Ditto with SMITTY Jr. and likely VESEY. In fact, I’d wager that IF the Rangers are less than 10 games out of a playoff position? THEY’LL BE BUYERS. That means the third from KAKKO and the fourth from TROUBA are gonna be pushed for a big slow dumb fuck to hit people and play 9th defender.

You know what? I just figured it out! Drury actually IS working for the Pens after all.

ANDREI - Sorry, you gotta be consistent AND fair in the way you do business with your team/employees...Just Like Laviolette shouldn't show favoritism to guys like ZBAD, Panarina, Kreider over younger players that are performing better and/or trying harder

Hospo, I think there is a difference between Trouba/Goodrow effect and how Fox is impacted personally. Fox is considered to be a cornerstone on D for the next 7 years. You have to approach that differently then trading Goodrow. Again, we disagree on team's effects of trading a 4th line player vs a top pair d-man who is also best friends with your team's best defensemen. BTW, not my observation, heard it more them once from NHL insiders.

Andrei - the problem with that take on a lindgren trade's impact on Fox is that it would take into consideration the human impact on player or players....which, I can see, BUT something Drury sure didn't think about when dealing with Goodrow, Troubs and that moronic letter....ON LINDGREN, I love him, but he's been a ticking bomb for two years with his injuries and durability,,,I would have looked at trading him before and never resinging him...but not now with Troubs gone and, i'm betting, Miller soon..Then again we have Ruwhedel and the Finesse Finn to bail us out

RF- I was expecting a Nils Lundqvist goal, but I guess I’ll have to settle for Colin Blackwell. Hoping Bread plays and looking forward to seeing Rempe in person for the first time. Other than that 7-2 sounds better than 7-0 which I was thinking!

Hospo, Lindgren deal is a hard one to pull. He is very tight with Fox, which is probably why he will traded when they are out of playoffs and probably why he was not traded yet. It is a delicate subject when your closest buddy is getting traded. So would not blame Drury for that. Kappo? Let's wait and see with Borgen. Maybe he will fit in and Rangers will look to re-sign him, or what he brings back in a trade before fully judging who wonlost the trade.

rf4L, I think we need to wait till the trade deadline to see Feeses trade. If Rangers can get something for him is a plus in my book.

BTW andrei: I read that Stapleface article - that was him musing other than repeating what is already known that Dreary has been shopping Vesey with surprisingly enough, no interest.

Just arrived in Dallas at my daughter’s house. Hoping to be entertained by the Rangers tonight but I’m not holding my breath!

And, fuck, I mean WILSON's days as a Flame!..I've lost it...Carey WIlson Casey Wilson Casey De SMith Riley SMith..You can call me ray or ..

Wilson degraded so quickly for the Rangers that we traded him AND futures for Brett Hulll, oops, Bobby Hull, oops, Jody Hull

TRADE - Casey...Carey..whatever...35 years ago for a going senile 65 year old..I think I deserve some points for remembering the deal and when it happened right after the freeze!...Right about SMith's better days with the Flames!!...but he actually had one good year for the Rangers but then he was done...Played much softer then his size also..

Just googled him actually.....I wish Kakko (or Krapshit) had Carey Wilson's stats!

Hospo....i think u are referring to Carey WIlson....who was actually a pretty solid hockey player.......for the Flames i think....lolz

Yup, Drury certainly knows what he is doing. It's been a masterclass in GM'ing over the last year. Not sure if we'll be able to retain him when all the other owners start flooding him with offers to jump ship.

ANDREI - Stapleface should be happy, he wanted KAKKAO, like LAFFY befre him, dealt..And really, happy, happy, joy, joy on those deals..Fringe deals and 4th-5th rounders!....Lindgren held on to too long...Vesey trade meaningless...Smith a useless aquisiton last summer..do we get what we gave up? Even if we do BFD!!.......I don't see any Center depth...No D depth..Hell, I don't even know if we have W depth given what I have seen.....unless all that comes form future draft picks as we build for the 2030 Cup..As for Borgen, have neve been impressed but I need to give him some time and wait and see what he brings.....Still, I think, like Trouba, Drury dealt KAKKAO for the rock bottom price of a 4 months max UFA to be Patrick Nemeth like D-man...

Yup Howden was a good player for us. Another guy who was basically relegated to 4th line and low minutes. Let’s face it. MSG is about the names on the marquee and not really going for the Cup. A round or two in the POs and the owner is happy.

Update from Arthur Staple. Will Borgen was high on other GM's lists and could easily fetch a 2nd rounder at the deadline. Vesey is being shopped and could fetch another 4th or 5th. Lindgen is shopped and TB could be in the mix. Rangers might pick up $ on Smith contract, that should increase his value to a contender. That lone should bring a high pick back. So maybe Drury does know what he is doing after all...

Hospo they just might win tonight. But don’t bet the house on it. At least wrong way druray met with them finally. Guess first he had to finish kissing Dolan’s ring and ass for a few weeks. It’s what empty suits and vests do.

OH and thinking about ZMOPE, he should start watching videos of the 37 year old Anze KOPITAR who doesn't hit either but does everything else his team needs from him to win..Grow some balls Meeka and do something, you are only 31 for crying out loud.....And yes, similar things can be said of other players,young and old, but I was just looking at my fantasy team and I have had KOPITAR for 4 Years running!......DO we get to see REMPE toniight ...for 4 minutes?

Done with the Forensics of this shit show for awhile....But, one look at the rooster as it stands now, given the recent performance of players, this isn't close to a PO team....Kinda shocked a real move wasn't made before the Dallas-Carolina-NJ trifecta...Can't see them winning any of the 3 unless IGOR steals a W for the first time in ages.........................instead it looks like the pissing away of 6 points..which could be the death of Drury (no POs) at the end of the year......................Anyways....I'm getting this feeling that there will be a trade right after the trade freeze and a big one Or trade of a big one) and maybe one I/we don't like.....Bringing back memories of the late 80's when I woke up to watch an early afternoon Ranger game and was met by the news that the Rangers had just traded my favorite DON MALONEY (but who was slipping) and NORM MACIVER for some bozo named Casey WILSON...a deal that worked for nobody!!!

According to Mollie Walker and many others, Trouba not only refused to be traded, but he let it be known to every GM that he would not be happy playing in any other city if he was traded….that caused GM’s whom were interested in him to give up the chase. How is that any different than Drury telling every GM that he is open for business? So, if Drury was trying to trade him to a team that was on his “no bueno” list, he had every right…but, he went further than that. And once he did, Drury’s mistake was not doing what he ultimately did in November…play hard ball. No half measures…that was a HUGE mistake by Drury. He should have ripped the bandage off and been done with it

rf4L...if you rememer .one of my absolute favs when he was here..........stupid move to let him go. But oy he was dissed on a lot on The Wall ??????????????? He is still better than half the forwards we have now !

Look who didn’t go home yet …..https://nypost.com/2024/12/19/sports/chris-drury-met-with-rangers-as-tumultuous-season-hangs-over-team/

Brett Howden on pace for 30 goals. Yet another young player ripped on here and in social media who's done well elsewhere.

KK 13:15 of icetime yesterday. 0 0 0 0 with 2 shots on goal. Sounds like his Ranger stats!!

Bob - Ouch on the Middleton-Hodge reference..I'll have nightmares tonight...Drury bungled the entire Troubs situation over the summer by not working with a guy who hd a NMC...The shit this season, with both to blame, was the result...Horrible, horrible asset mngement on both Troubs and Kakkao..But that is Dumbfuck Drury's calling card

Ya know, all the talk about not being able to equate the behavior of pro athletes to,the behavior of the enrage Joe at a job with a boss they’re angry at simply doesn’t cut it in my book. Yeah, I get it…they’re under a spotlight more than an accountant or a plumber but just because the spotlight is smaller doesn’t make it any less glaring! And here’s the thing…what about PRINCIPLES and doing the right thing? Are pro athletes released from having principles and doing the right thing simply because they have a bigger audience? I was a high school teacher for 25+ years and for 10 of those years I had a department chairman who was known as “Mussolini.” Constantly trying to intimidate people and get people in his department to do ILLEGAL things, like stuffing envelopes for members who were up for re-election. He used to ask teachers in his dept. to gather for lunch and then study envelopes that he put postage on using a Board of Education postage-paid machines! After my first exposure to that bullshit, I stopped going to “lunch.” When he asked me why, I said I was not into politics and didn’t feel comfortable with what was happening. This POS threatened my job (I did not have tenure) but I did not relent. Luckily for me, I taught a specialized subject that very few people in the country are certified to teach. But, he made sure that in the ensuing years, I had the worst schedule, the highest number of kids in class (I didn’t even have enough desks to seat them all one year)despite the fact that I was supposed to have a specialized schedule to compensate for extra duties that teaching that subject entailed…he broke his word and basically said, “what are you gonna do about it?”…all this while the other ass-kissing teachers got rewarded…no-show overtime, no hall duties, no proctoring assignments…many of them refused to speak to me because he told them I was a danger to their cushy existence…he told,them I was gonna rat on them! So, coming back tomthe analogy between athletes hating their GM & the average Joe, should I have taken my anger out on my kids? Should I have dogged it, taught slower, covered fewer chapters, not given difficult tests, let them breeze through some wouldn’t have to grade papers and just give them all good grades so their parents would be happy that they all got 90’s? Isn’t that what some people are suggesting, hoping that the Rangers get rid of Drury by pouting, by not playing hard, by LOSING? Screw the fans, the ends justify the means? Or are the players supposed to have principles and work their asses of despite being angry?

Just more proof that the gm and coach are not helping their players…. https://youtu.be/VsJ99T0RJDw?si=_hpvFUTP2aCfE2Kj

I watched the entire Anaheim game last night. Jacob Truba played better in that game than he played in any game for the Rangers all season long. He was the Truba that they got from Winnipeg when they got them from Winnipeg. Clearly he wasn’t trying, wasn’t putting in the effort before he got traded. The Rangers decide to trade Kakko and they trade him for one of the worst defenseman statistically in the league, and by far the worst on Seattle. And the guys are UFA. So he’s he’ll suck when he gets here and then he’ll walk. It’s near unbelievable that Drury could not get more for Kakko than he did. Meanwhile, he’ll be in the top six and on the power-play in Seattle. Will be watching him score goals for years, play a solid game, he’ll be a different player, but he’ll remind all of us old timers of Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge

NCRanger - You must be in the Christmas spirit ! "6 months"????..Hell, he's made only one smart transaction for the NHL team since Patrick Kane (almost 2 years now) and that's Jonathan Quick! I won't name the names, it's about dinner time! And Not to mention players he didn't get instead!

This will go down as a far worse trade than the Buch one. Book it. Jimmy boy likes to use the phrase “derelict of duty”. Well you know what the weasel DD’s last 6 MO’s have looked like? You guessed it. A derelict of duty. Grounds for dimissal. Listening to B.Boyle while I’m waiting for my daughter to wrap up soccer practice. Says he hasn’t given up on Rangers and thinks they’ll make playoffs (insert crying laughing emoji here). Looks like the MSG cronies got to him too!

Ron Francis says KK will play in the top 6 and get PP time. Hope he blossoms but I will say this: He was rarely put in a position to succeed in NY and here's the opportunity he's been clamoring for. Take it kid lest you settle into a bottom 6 player with limited offensive skill. I think he'll step up FWIW...

Maybe the MSG rules go back to them paying a big settlement because of Isiah Thomas' interactions with female emp0loyees.

TDCHI - I am no Laviolette fan and want him gone but isn't he now, finally, TRYING to do what you say..giving ice time to those that earn it and relegating quitting vets to less and less ice time and elevating others and getting the same result? Has the poison injected by DRURY over the last year been in too long??? and I said Trying becasue his treatment of KK was pure idiocy..and DRURY compounded it by getting nothing for the kid... And I won't even get into Drury's incompetence the last two years but that shouldn't turn a team against him, just make it weaker and unable to compete....Not trying to compete and why is another ball of wax

JFC31 - But the problem there is the same problem with this strange narrative about GOODROW and TROUBA and 'void of leadership' and butthurt players and whatnot...it just DOESN'T TRACK. Look, if the Rangers were pissed off about Ramsey being fired, then why did they storm forth and have a record-breaking season? Why did they carry Dolan's gate receipts deep into the spring? Again...the team is a bunch of professionals. They know the deal. They know any one of them could be moved tomorrow or kicked to the curb. Part of the business. It hurts...and you could TELL with TROUBA that the guy was genuinely hurt...but are you going to stop playing hockey? Are you going to give up? Guys that do? Yeah, that's KAKKO. He got scratched, said enough is enough and I want out. He was trade a couple days later. Any ONE of those players could do the same thing and be gone. Any of them. They don't because they like it in NYC. And the Rangers are a cushy job, so even if KREIDER hates DRURY and DOLAN with every fiber of his being...man, he's gonna go back out there and play hockey to the best of his ability...or face the trade winds himself. This is how it goes...And while I agree...you can't separate life and emotion entirely from career...there is a divide...What's my point in saying all of this? Well, there's what we know and what we can speculate about. What we KNOW is that the Rangers were a difficult team to beat in the first few games. They looked like a SOLID contender, even if there were a couple of hiccups along the way. But again...you have ALL the top players on this team playing in an asolute haze. No exceptions. We can argue about WHY they're in a haze...but the thing that needs to be done and that ISN'T being done is that the coach is doing nothing to change the atmosphere. He is the guy who makes the lines. He is the guy who sends people over the boards. He is the guy who runs practices. He is the guy that SETS THE FUCKING TONE. And people? HE AIN'T DOING IT.

NYStranger - They have either checked out, quit or all are united...You would think a team doing this bad and quitting would have a good locke room brawl to clear the air but noooo they don't even have the energy for that......The next 3 games in 4 days agasint Dallas, Carolina and NJ should be a blast!! Let's see what Xmas present the players send Fat Man and Dip Shit

So why was Ramsey fired? More then likely because of the lindgren debacle when the genius drury had the Nyr playing with 17 because he didn’t put lindgren on ltir and he had hot nuts for Kane. Either Dolan or drury or both wanted him. I think drury was brown nosing Dolan. And he didn’t want him the next season because his nuts weren’t there anymore. So get rid of Ramsey.

Kreider met with the media after the last game….Z the game before and both of them always seem to be available no matter how the game went so saying they aren’t is more bullshit…

I thought about it and since Dolan is the owner who hired drury he can fire drury. And he then can hire a new gm who in turn can decide who he wants to coach the team. Since it’s not the methods it’s the results, drury is failing this season. I can’t wait to say goodbye and let the door hit you in the ass in the way out. He can’t even go for a charisma bypass because he doesn’t have any. I hope he gets to stay home for the holidays including all of next year’s and beyond. Go flip pizza.

The Vince Mercogliano article,is fascinating! Here’s what was said about Kreider regarding the Ramsay firing, which looks like could be related to DOLAN, not Drury! Ramsay was CLOSE to the players and that goes against DOLAN’S rule about fraternizing! Dolan is a SCUMBAG! So, a PR guy was recently fired for having dinner with a player….is it possible that is why Ramsay got fired? And do we think DRURY would refuse to have a video tribute to Ramsey? A former player…all,of whom DEPEND on trainers to keep,them going? NOPE! That’s something DOLAN would do, the same way he BANNED a be,Ives former Knick from attending Knick games! “ Multiple sources indicated the shocking dismissal was framed as an ownership decision and had a chilling effect on the team. Ramsay was beloved by most players, who privately let their displeasure be known. Kreider was among the most aggrieved, with his frustration boiling over Feb. 15, 2024 – the night Ramsay returned to MSG for the first time as head trainer for the Montreal Canadiens. He netted a hat trick in the 7-4 win and was one of several players to embrace their former trainer after the game, yet Kreider curiously declined to speak to the media after being named the No. 1 star of the game. According to one source, it was because Kreider was so upset by the Rangers’ treatment of Ramsay and refusal to acknowledge his return and feared he might not be able to hold that anger back if interviewed.” So, what does this tell us about a Chris Kreider’s motivation? He’s able to TURN IT ON to honor Ramsey? OK, great! But, what else does it say when we all see that he’s playing as if he doesn’t give a shit? He CAN put it into a different gear when he wants to…but, I guess he doesn’t want to because he is showing NO SPIRIT on the ice, no attempt to lead by example…and this has been a pattern his whole career…up & down, up & down!

Usually, the NYR's have up to 5 players available after the game. It usually changes from game-to-game. That does not include pre-game interviews or in-game interviews. The Seattle Game it was primarily Z and TRO in the interviews. Last night's game Kreider was one of the five. Trocheck has been doing a bit more and to me appears to be attempting to fill the void of leadership on the team since the whole Trouba debacle.

One thing I am seeing rather or not seeing or hearing about is - normally when teams flounder and players get frustrated you see guys doing shit out of character such as fighting or taking a run at an opponent or stupid stick work. I have not really seen even that. Has the team checked out that much? Well I have done the only thing I can do. I canceled my msg+/gotham subscription. Not worth a single penny.

I think most fans have this idea that sports team are like one big family and that they all travel together and whatnot...when in reality, they're a fucking business. Upper management doesn't justify itself to the rank-and-file. You get a memo. You do what your told...DRURY has done nothing to suggest he's a good GM and a lot to suggest he's not very good...but this idea of him not communicating with the team? Nonsense. Why? Because that's NOT HIS JOB. He's got a coach to do that. And if the message ain't getting to his team? Well guess who's fault it is...But regardless, the problem with the Rangers is and continues to be behind the bench. The secondary problem is that they have a GM who is unwilling to see the organizational problem, which again...is behind the bench. So bad coach gets bad GM to make bad deals. And that is why we are where we are today.

Sounds like Trocheck is trying to jump into the vacuum a bit. Good for him. Now as for Drury and some kind of meetings to try to get him out or something. I don’t think that would happen. I don’t know how Drury interacts with his team. Frankly I don’t know how Drury interacts with anyone. But a players revolt ain’t gonna fire a GM. They might do that to a coach but frankly the more I watch the less I want Laviolette gone unless no other option is there. Laviolette is a coach and coaches don’t play. Players do. I know Laviolette has somewhat of a short shelf life. But Laviolette isn’t the problem. He can beat the dead dog but it’s still dead. I think Drury has to get thru the malcontents and start structuring this team to win.

JFC - Could be right on the Bromancers...Defientely on the Mixed signals ..But there also mixed performances! It's so murky.....Guys like Tro and Laffy may be talking but they also have been inconsistent as hell, and that's being nice

E - "Do your job" may not even be possible for this situation becasue of failures on all sides..and "Do your job" also pertains to, and is more important to, the GM and coach because, as we all know, shit rolls down hill, not the other direction

And think about this…and it’s conjecture on my part…why have Kreider & Zibanejad cut WAY BACK on speaking to the media…especially Kreider? Could it be because THEY are the ones that are pissed at Drury. This is analogous to TROUBA…he also cut way back on talking before he was traded. In the last 2 weeks we’ve seen mainly Trochek and the kids talking when they rarely did before! THEY need to lead this team now because the other 2 assholes have likely CHECKED OUT just like Trouba did. Drury needs to finish the job! His big mistake as well as Laviolette is HALF MEASURES….lije cutting back on Bromance Bros ice time but then putting them on the 6 on 5 instead of Cuylle & Berard! If you’re gonna send a message THEN SEND IT 100%!

And ya gotta love that nepo baby Dolan and his behavior, his rules and his nastiness! And HE is the guy some of you are depending on getting rid of Drury and hiring someone “better!” THINK!

Trochek has been trying to take over as spokesperson and leader. He wouldn’t bullshit…if they had indeed talked about Drury and he said they didn’t, his team mates would lose respect for him. If he says that Drury is just doing his job and it’s on the players to perform, then that’s what the PLAYERS as a UNIT think, too because he is REPRESENTING the entire team when he goes out of his way to give a quote like that! GM’s don’t play! Via he’s don’t play! PLAYERS play! It’s on the players to win games, not the GM!

JFC - I could believe Tro on that Meeting but I could also believe the players displeasure with Laviolette and/or Drury and talking about it a lot amongst themselves...Too much going on with this team from too many directions...But, to each their own......Let the player performance dictate what's going on.....They somehow regroup, just move forward..they continue to go down in flames on ice, the head needs to get chopped off.;.I am perfectly fine with either scenario now...and, truth be told, may prefer the latter becasue of my views on how totally incompetent Drury (2-3 years) and Laviolette (this year) have been

I’ll say it again…these social media freaks are not to be trusted! Everything with them is wink, wink, nudge, nudge…when they get caught LYING or FABRICATING stories, it’s “no harm, no foul, I’d do it all over again if it gets me clicks & reactions.” They are amoral assholes

Drury can and has done a lot wrong. From the time he took over. From being boxed out against TB because the Rangers lacked the grit and the grind to battle it out. Tarasenko trades that went to the post season without a checking line. And jettisoned by the Devils. To Another season without a checking line and defensive issues but a killer PP and goaltending. And now? A team falling apart from instability stemming from a botched trade attempt during the summer. Drury has a lot to explain for with his inability to get the right lineup and now his goofs with player-personnel have just been a fiasco. The moral to me? Trading or dumping players is par for the course. I see this multiple ways. They’re professionals. Deal with it. As they do. But what annoys me is the flip side teams are giving out no movement and no trades in order to escape AAV. And so this is the latest FU from management to the players. I’ll give you the stability and set you and your family up. Let’s just reduce that term a bit. Save me a few millions in AAV. To 4 years later, give your list, Oh you wont accept any trades but these teams? That doesn’t work for me. So, Im gonna waive you and release you to the four winds. How is this a way to do business? Super cut throat. If I’m the PA, on the next CBA or even addendum I am going to make sure the owners pay for this crap. So buckle up for that ride. But from managements perspective? This is the rules as we agreed. Suck it up and do your job.

Mollie Walker: Vincent Trocheck made a point to speak to us beat reporters to clear the air on a report that the team meeting after the LA game was not about GM Chris Drury. "That could not be further than the truth. If we have a closed-door meeting, with just the players, I think the last that we'd do is complain about our general manager. More from Trocheck: "When we have closed-door meetings in here, it's about us. It's about what we can do. Obviously, we're in a little bit of a hole right now, and it's about what we can do to get out of it. It has nothing to do with management. They do their job. Chris is doing his job to try to put the best players on the ice to succeed. We are those players, and we have to go out there and preform. Do we what can to succeed. I just wanted to clear the air on that. Obviously there's a lot of stuff circulating our team right now and when I see something like that, I don't know where it even comes from. That kind of frustrated me."

The peanut gallery has spoken. Drury can do no wrong. You are watching the results of his actions after winning a trophy . Shitiful.

Yeah, The Isiah Thomas SA lawsuits cost MSG and James Dolan personally, millions of dollars. What did Dolan do? He wanted to hire Thomas back because they were buddies, but the NBA wouldn't allow hi m, so he made him the president of the WNBA's New York Liberty... Good thing Dolan put this policy on place 10 years later.... really on top of it. Having worked in Management for 40 years, I can tell you, there is always the legal rationale why things like this are put in place but it's not always the real reason.

OL "trip-wire" is back putting people down so he can feel bigger about himself. Juvenile.

Seattle Needed a RW, EBERLE went down for a few Months. SMITH is a RW, Smith should have been dealt to Seattle, not KAKKO! IF Seattle didn't have an interest in SMITH, no trade, BFD.

E - I think it starts this evening...and Thanks for the info...I'm a fan, I don't know what all the players are thinking and how wrong or right their feeling are on the actions of drury (Laviolettes roster handling is another story), but I do know this has been so much more than 1 or 2 things..it's been a Perfect Storm of Shit that Drury has presided over (his fault or not)

Tomorrow Dec. 20, 2024: I'M ROOTING FOR DALLAS TO SHELLACK THE SHIT OUT OF THE RANGERS! "LET'S GO DALLAS!"

E: I wish Smith was a signing. It was a trade meaning Dreary wasted a 2nd and a 5th. What he gave up isn't far off from what he managed to fetch for KK. Horrid asset management. Again.

FWIW, does anyone think youre gonna get much for Smith? Garbage signing, done as a player. I’d trade him for a few picks and move up a kid if there is an option. When is the holiday trade freeze start?

I have a friend who is an attorney who has worked for several franchises in several sports. She’s worked in hockey, baseball, and she is currently in MLS. Once I said, “It must be fun to hang out with all these famous athletes.“ She told me that if she is sitting with a player in the room it is for a legal matter. And never socially. People who work in the operations of a sports team are strictly forbidden from having relationships with player. You cannot go to lunch with them. To their birthday parties. Nothing. Ever. They don't even have company parties together. Now inevitably you do converse with players but the players also know that they aren’t supposed to be around operations staff. The reasons are obvious. This is not a sign of some weird Drury totalitarian state. This is the result of attorneys and disingenuous people thru the years I am sure. Probably a few sexual harassment payouts. I’m sure it’s an overreaction to crap like that.

On another topic. I find it funny. And sad really. That the very same folks here who in the past said that they should put a guy in the stands until he agrees to waive his no movement clause are now using what Drury did to Trouba as proof he is a bad GM or is destroying the team. I mean…WTF? What he did is less nasty, he let guys continue to play, he didn’t waive guys and send them to the AHL, he didn’t embarrass them. Kakko it appears asked for a trade, guess when the trade was first thought to be getting close? The day he was traded…the “coaching staff is still looking at things” was waiting to hear if a trade was actually finalized. Then Kakko makes his statements that everyone got hyped up about. Then he goes back into the lineup and plays like he doesn’t care. WTF? Anyway. The fact that the same folks blathered about sitting guys to force trades are upset that they were given an ultimatum about a trade is just pitiful.

Reached out so a friend. That isn’t a Drury rule. Maybe not shockingly, it’s an MSG…aka Dolan, rule. For some reason Dolan doesn’t want staff around team. That to me means someone did something that pissed him off.

The VM story is gaining traction. Here's another take but I'm posting it more for the beyond appropriate photo of Dour Sour Miserable Chris Dreary: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/rangers-an-employee-dismissed-for-having-eaten-with-a-player-from-the-club/ar-AA1waQQG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=d9596405cc9f48f7b1aac73d32294360&ei=6

Mind you, even tho Dreary gave up a 2nd and a 5th, if he moves SMith there it'll likely be for a 6th rounder!

AOAN: Rumours today that the Canucks are seeking a mid-line right winger and are interested in Reilly Smith. Do it Dreary you incompetent prickjob!

All good Hospo and kudos to that guy if he's citing VM has his source. It's a chilling story though - imagine having to come to work in an environment like that every day? Ugh. If it's creeping down into the room, no wonder the team is struggling.

Furthermore if all that is true, it's more evidence of the small mindedness of the owner. That was sorta known already given how he muzzles the Ranger media, including the hockey broadcasts, and the infamous story where he had someone kicked out of a Knick game because s/he was catcalling him in the stands. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never has truly had to struggle for anything. What a complete twit.

RF4L - Sorry my man, I missed your post....Repetition never hurts! But, he didn't steal, he quotes and cites VM all through the article which gives it more credence like , I guess, the VM article you posted

KIS - We agree on TROUBS..totally disagree on KAKKAO..I liked what he was becoming until the last few games of the LardAss and Drury mind fuck era

Hospo: That dude stole that stuff from Vince - I posted a link to Vince's article. It's quite damning and for me clearly shows the dysfunctionality plaguing the organization now and why I suddenly find myself longing for the return of Nob for Life. I think it was widely recognized that Sather kept Dolans at bay in part because Dolans thinks he knows basketball while not having much knowledge about hockey. As VM's article cites, the Sather buffer is gone and Dreary reports directly to Dolans and doesn't have the respect of Dolans that Sather does/did. If all of that is accurate, I see no reason to anticipate much changing. In other words, the Rangers with this regime in place are doomed! Arrgh. KK did the right thing getting himself out there, didn't he?

I've said my piece too often on Drury and Laviolette..and half of me wants the team to lose every freaking game in embarrassing fashion until both are gone...but the other half wins out and I'll be rooting for the few bright spots that are left and somehow hope they can become a semblance of a TEAM again...And LOVE that REMPE is back...even if for only 3 minutes of potential excitement a night..And I know all his warts and why he shouldn't be herte, but this season isn't about winning anymore, I just want a little entertainment

I never do this cut and paste but interesting read from A writer neamed Trvor Collins with alot of quotes from Vince M...make ot it what you will...........................................We now know exactly why things turned ugly between GM Drury and Trouba, Kreider and Kakko An investigative tear down of Chris Drury's reign with damning anonymous quotes from players and staff. Trevor Connors Trevor Connors Published on December 19 2024 at 11:06 AM Share Follow us on Google News Share on Facebook In case you missed it yesterday, the New York Rangers traded former 2nd overall selection Kaapo Kakko to the Seattle Kraken in exchange for depth defenseman Will Borgen and a couple mid-round draft picks. Womp womp... Kakko trade rumors have been in the headlines for years now at this point, but to see the team give up on him for such a little return has to be disappointing to Rangers fans. Disappointing maybe, but surprising? Unlikely. The fact is that the Rangers have made several disappointing moves under GM Chris Drury and a report from Rangers insider Vincent Mercogliano is shedding some light on Drury's process and why it's rubbing some many Rangers' players the wrong way. It's clear that Drury runs the team with an iron fist and doesn't allow dissenting voices to be heard. His first move to de-stabilize his team's psyche was to waive veteran forward Barclay Goodrow and force him out of the team. The move was seen as underhanded by some of the team's core planted the seed of distrust for Drury. Drury moved on to captain Jacob Trouba and spent all offseason trying to move his team's captain, only for Trouba to flex his no-movement clause. Ultimately Drury won the game of chicken the pair were having and Trouba was shipped to the Anaheim Ducks. The former captain made it clear that he wasn't happy with the lack of communication he received from his former GM throughout the process. "I’m not overly thrilled with how it went down," Trouba said. "In my opinion, things could have been handled better." Now, just days after voicing his own frustrations with the team, Kakko is gone too. A team spokesperson has claimed that Kakko's trade had nothing to do with him speaking out against head coach Peter Laviolette on Monday but... who honestly believes that? The kid spoke his mind and now he's on a flight to Seattle... it's not hard to do the math on this one. Rangers players, understandably so, aren't happy with Drury broadcasting Chris Kreider's trade availability to the entire league, also. The news apparently blindsided Kreider and his teammates, as the longest tenured Rangers player has arguably given more to this team than anyone else since Henrik Lundqvist. "It's my job, and 31 other GMs’ jobs, to try and do everything we can to help our team," Drury said in a recent conference call. "There's things at our disposal in the (Collective Bargaining Agreement). I'm not trying to mess with players. I have a ton of respect for Barclay and certainly, as I've said already, for Jacob. I'm just trying to do the best I can to move the team forward and make changes that I think are necessary." Then there's the shocking dismissal of long-time team trainer Jim Ramsay in 2023. The Rangers terminated Ramsay's employment with the team after 29 years without stating a reason. "We don't comment on employee matters," a team spokesperson said. The Rangers' leadership group was reportedly devastated for Ramsay and shared their opinions with management. That's when things got ugly with Kreider and the team, reports say. From Mercogliano: Multiple sources indicated the shocking dismissal was framed as an ownership decision and had a chilling effect on the team. Ramsay was beloved by most players, who privately let their displeasure be known. Kreider was among the most aggrieved, with his frustration boiling over Feb. 15, 2024 – the night Ramsay returned to MSG for the first time as head trainer for the Montreal Canadiens. He netted a hat trick in the 7-4 win and was one of several players to embrace their former trainer after the game, yet Kreider curiously declined to speak to the media after being named the No. 1 star of the game. According to one source, it was because Kreider was so upset by the Rangers’ treatment of Ramsay and refusal to acknowledge his return and feared he might not be able to hold that anger back if interviewed. - Vincent Mercogliano Mercogliano also reports that the Rangers have made significant changes to their front office, scouting, public relations and social media departments. The changes have been described as 'wholesale'. The most damning evidence of toxicity in the organization though comes from an internal memo by the team leaked to reporters. In it, Drury warns that interactions between team staff and roster players could be grounds for dismissal. This reportedly comes after a PR employee had dinner with a Rangers player following a media event. More from Mercogliano: Drury’s memo to all NHL GMs has garnered a ton of attention lately, but it was an internal memo − exclusively obtained by lohud.com/USA TODAY − that reverberated throughout the organization earlier this year. In the aftermath of a PR person being fired for having dinner with a player following a media event prior to the new season, a letter signed by Drury, as well as Knicks president Leon Rose and MSG COO Jamaal Lesane, was distributed to all team employees issuing “a reminder regarding the expectations of behavior when interacting with the players or coaches of any of our Teams.” Staffers were told that “absent written approval from an Executive Vice President (‘EVP’) or above,” they were prohibited from staying at the same hotel as any of the teams under the MSG umbrella, including the minor-league Hartford Wolf Pack and Westchester Knicks, traveling on team flights or buses, or attending team social gatherings or meals, according to the memo. Furthermore, it mandated that employees keep as much distance as possible at the rink. “Interactions between employees and players or coaches must be strictly limited except as necessary to satisfy the requirements of an employee’s role,” it read. “Failure to comply with the directives set forth in this memorandum may result in disciplinary action, including, without limitation, termination of employment.” This was seen as a step too far by many who value the working, collegial relationships between players and staff, including trainers, equipment managers and PR. Some responded by boycotting the next team function after the memo was sent out, according to two sources. - Vincent Mercogliano It's clear to me that Drury is doing everything possible to hold onto his power. He doesn't want his players or his staff to even question him and his methods for a second. If they do, they're history... it doesn't matter if you're team captain, a 2nd overall pick or a beloved team employee with 29 years experience... if you speak out against Drury, you're gone. The only question is... who's next?

Unfortunately I think this need to be done. many of these contracts and payer needed to be moved. The team and this core preached its high. These trades aren't the end. Don't be surprised to see Kreider moved. Hopefully Zbad as well. If leetch , Park Middleton can be moved so can any of these players. organization should have a bunch of money at the Trade deadline. Who knows what will happen and who gets picked up. I don't care about the name on the back. I love the crest on the front. I just want the team to win.

Hospo,but how many people said they wanted Trouba gone. He was no good. He couldn't move. He made too much money. He was selfish. We both said he shouldn't be moved. Now Kakko I still don't get the issue. He was a 3rd liner. He was slow and didn't score much or create much. I don't care if he was the second overall pick. Daigle wa the first overall and couldn't play. It was time to move on. I wish the kid nothing but luck and success. It wasn't happening here and he was going on 6 yrs. I never saw anything to warrant the 2nd overall pick

It just might take loud chants of "DOLANS SUCKS" or "FIRE DRURY" at the next home game to rouse Dolans from his stupor...

“Others are likely to go in the coming weeks and months − but ultimately, it's going to take more than a few trades to rebuild a culture that's springing leaks all over the place. Relationships have fractured and the workplace has become far less enjoyable for players and staffers alike. Too many are spending time looking over their shoulder, rather than pulling in the same direction, and it's costing the Rangers in the standings.”…. All compliments of DD druray, who is kissing Dolan’s ass and ring . The chants of fire drury are close at hand as well as for lardass .

Is Drury fired yet?? For fucks sake, please fire this man! C’mon Jimmy boy. Perform your good deed in behalf of all us Ranger fans for the holidays. I don’t even care who is replacement is. Just want him gone

And Lardiolette will play Rempe for 6 minutes therein ruining the ability to 4 lines and that means more icetime for Zcrap and Kreider! Woohooooooooooooooooooooooo. Dallas 7 Rangers 2

Ranger47 - BINGO. And that's what's even more fucked up. Like seriously. You just TOTALLY fucked the development of one kid...and shipped him out for no appreciable reason other than to preserve the job of a coach who is basically the walking dead...and because the optics of this and every other move over the past two months are so unbelievably batshit crazy, you promote another kid as a publicity stunt in a vain attempt to curry favor with fans...thus stunting HIS development. This gang of hucksters is something else.

The only reason to bring Rempe back is to try a sleight of hand to divert our attention from the "no longer entertaining" product on the ice from waves of boos....

Any of the remaining players feel responsible for contributing to their teammate getting traded? The efforts these Rangers have put in these 15 games has been unacceptable, Mika! Kreider! The last time I was so down on this team was when they traded Brad Park & Jean Ratelle. Congratulations Chris Drury, the sooner you leave the sooner the stench you created clears around here.

Very interesting and quite damning take on the inner workings as MSG. James Dolans is truly a little man and believe it or not, this growing mess is making me miss Nob for Life: https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2024/12/19/ny-rangers-nhl-msg-culture-problem-exclusive-look-behind-the-scenes/77058935007/

If Borgen doesn't resign it means the amazing Dreary paid more to acquire soon to be gone Smith than he fetched for KK. Absolutely ridiculous. This asshole is getting worse at this job, not better and he's going to run the Rangers into the ground.

“The team folded like lawn chairs after Drury’s league-wide trade memo specifically named the Rangers captain, Jacob Trouba, and longest tenured player, Chris Kreider.”….https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/sports/rangers-biggest-problem-cant-be-solved-with-a-roster-makeover/

I’d like to thank Igor for helping dd drury clean house for cap space he’s going to be taking up. I hope he enjoys losing. Too bad players can’t speak up in public to tell how they really feel about the organization. When DD wrong way druray is gone maybe someone will be brave enough. I hope lardass is proud of himself for what he’s and his gm are causing for the team. I can’t wait for karma to come. They are no Keenan and Smith who got the ultimate result from their crazy trades. These two are working on getting a lottery pick which they should trade away for a proven player. The d word fits them and it’s not defense. Kaapo knew how to play the defense needed from a forward. I hope he wins at least one selke trophy in his long future career. I’m sure Hughes and the Debbies are laughing their asses off.

BTW, TROUBS 22 mins tonight..most of any D man..4 hits 6 Blocks +1.in a 3-2 win over a shit team like Winnipeg.....Glad we got rid of all the Dipshit Drury and LardAss detractors..Who's next and for what absurd rock bottom return?

LeoS: I gave my tix for Friday nights game vs the Stars to my nephew earlier tonight. He’s a big Stars fan so he’ll enjoy the game. Had nice center ice seats too. Maybe we’ll come to the Garden sometime instead if they ever turn this thing around. I had no desire to drive 3 hours to see this sideshow.

Dreary to KK and his Ranger teammates: "No, fuck YOU." But it's the fans who are truly raped in all this.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10147807-nhl-trade-grades-kaapo-kaako-dealt-by-rangers-to-kraken-for-will-borgen-and-picks.amp.html Bleacher report did not give us a good grade. Shocked!

Never liked the Drury hire and always thought he was a weasel…Kakko in many ways a victim of expectations to be honest…Second pick overall and although he will never be a star he can be a very valuable player….He wasn’t part of the defensive disaster we have become and he didn’t have a bloated contract…Many other better candidates for a lopsided trade that could have given us more cap space…The whole damn thing is depressing…

Dreary sucks. Kinda suspected from the start (called him Dreary then Bob made me feel guilty for that - you did bud and in here that's rare for me lol) and now I wish I could punch that weasel in the face.

Any narrative that KK couldn’t crack the top 6 that doesn’t acknowledge the purgatory spent with the Dysfunctional Duo (1/3 of the top six) who’ve ruined how many RW’s at this point (?) does disservice to the 23 yo. He’ll prosper in the new environment no doubt, and Titanic deck chairs will continue to be shuffled around the same rotting core we can’t escape from. Bad trade as a sell-low move, Drury not the guy to lead us to new horizons as we all know, so I think “rule of holes” applies here until a shift off the ice occurs , whatever that may be!

I guess told ya’s Kakko had no value. I’ll take the picks. I like the defenseman. He is precisely the type of defender I’ve been calling for. So I’m fine with this. I think Berard can fill that spot. And if he can’t maybe Othmann will get some time. Or trusty Brodzinski. Basically? We need to see a semblance of a checking line. Let them keep going.

Drury’s incompetence reigns supreme. Let’s look at the history. I have no more doubt that he backstabbed Gorton/JD at this point. Then he fires the long-standing NYR trainer Rammer. Another u oooular move. This year - Gooderow fiasco, Trouba fiasco. A nightmarish trade sending KK to Seattle for soeaking his mind - basically just saying what everyone was already thinking or knew. This guy is not only incompetent but is highly egotistical with self-absorbed view of himself. That’s a lethal combination and why you literally see this team burning to the ground before our eyes. If you want out of NY, just talk some shit about the coach and/or GM and your wish will be granted. Drury has little man complex.

Awful trade. 3rd line was our best. Drury sold low to show who is boss. What an asshole. The benched then traded him for speaking out. Rangers are in complete chaos fire Drury before he does more damage.

If schadenfreude would make anyone feel better, my twins' birthday is Jan 4th and since it's the weekend they'd be returning to school anyhow, they asked for Rangers-Caps tix, so we wound up booking an entire family cross-country trip to DC and tix for kids + significant others for that weekend. I defy someone to post a bigger L than that for this year :)

I went back to some of the comments..are some people defending the deal because KK speaking out dropped his value and he had to be jettisoned before going even lower?? Defending Dealing player at his nadir of value rather then to build a talented player baack up, a player who was part of the best line in hockey for over a month THIS SEASON???? ANd for fltsum and jetsum??? Pure utter lunacy..

Anuerysm aside, Did we just trade away the former 2nd over all pick, 1 of the 3 kids the team was basing it's future on, for a UFA to be Rich Mans Patrick Nemeth, and the two picks an incompetent GM wasted on lfetime Ranger to be Riley SMith all because he showed the Organization, coach and drowning GM for what they are???....Asset management at it's worst..

https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/sports/rangers-trade-kaapo-kakko-to-kraken-for-will-borgen-two-picks/

Again, please God trade CUYLLE and SCHNEIDER .please...Let the play when he wants Laffy be the next useless captain! ..Untilvthen, let Pamarina be the leader...Tip Toeing Thriugh The Tulips with the New York Rangers!

Holy F***. Drury just continues to prove me right over and over. This dude can’t make a good hockey trade for his life and is literally burning the team to the ground this year. He hides inside his office and bungles one hickey decision after the next. I tend to agree with you as well TD - KK could very well turn into a very productive top 6’er in Seattle. He is most def rivaling Chiarelli GM status. Like next fucking level bad, like how the fuck does this guy still have a job. Dolan is too blind to realize his early success was all built on the coattails of Gorton/some of JD’s success. What FA’s/drafted players he was in charge of acquiring have had any semblance of success here. Maybe one year if Trochek. That’s it. Z, Kreider, Fox, or any of the other whiny slackers should have been moved first if you want to prove a point. KK was the wrong choice and soon enough everyone will see why. Even if he tops out as what he was, an above average middle sized w/ excellent size and puck control ability. You need those dudes in the playoffs. So he gets traded b/c he said what everyone was thinking?? For fucks sake, this franchise is fucked as long as DD and Lav are running the show. I’ve never felt as much despair about this team as I do right now. To think I spent ~$700 for btb tix while in NYC with my daughter last week. Damn I wish I could get that money back. I hope they finish dead fucking last. I’m sure he’d fuck uo the draft too. Is it bad that I’d rather actually have Sather back at the helm. Im about to turn in my Ranger badge. Im so done with this shitbox organization run by a couple of assclowns

NYStranger - Sorry, I can't be Ok with a 5 year reset..I ain't got that time left...Playing and watching when you have zero chance of winning in pro sports is meningless..But, that's my problem

Kakko we hope you stick it in Drurys face.....show those fuckers up!!!!! Who is next up.....call up Wolfpack what's the difference......

Yes, Let the shit trades continue..losing and embararssment is the objective..only a few more left till Drury's task and 3 years running of idiotic moves reaches the culmination of dismantling a team a few moves away fromm the cup and one that fought like hell for each other..A team he completly utterly shit on, got shit in return for every trade, and added his won shit...Fuck him...

If the garden is empty them Dolan will fire Drury..... don't go to games....it's the only way.

Wow, such hand wringing. This team was NOT WINNING THE CUP this season. Let the trades continue. Yes Drury has been terrible. Hopefully he demoralizes Zmeek enough that he OKs a trade. The Rangers will never win with him on the team. I stand by what I said about that years ago. The fact that this group has quit on the fans and have moped around for weeks tells me they don’t have what it takes to win. Sorry. bye bye. Lard ass needs to go too. He has no answers and the players are not listening to whatever he is saying. Hopefully Drury gets canned too. Too bad this draft is not supposed to be that good because we may have a top 10 pick. Very sad, but this is on the entire organization. Ownership right on down to the stick boy, and the guy who fills the Zamboni with hot water. They can burn the whole lot to the ground as far as I am concerned. Including that greedy goalie.

Good luck KAKKAO! You got away from that antiquidted losing Fat Fuck and Mr. Idiocracy himself.....Ruwhedled, some Finish Fuck, Borgen, slow motion Fox, the decying Lindgren, Zav the midget..nd Scnieder...And they paid IGOR 11 million year to ply wwith this load of crap and for a Brain Rust of epic incompetence....Lwt's play for the draft pick and 2030...!

The Nyr are open for business and willing to trade some of their roster players for whatever they can get from any bidders . But you have to admit that the memo was a great advertising flyer from a gm to lazy and scared to call 31 gms. Because he doesn’t have the personality to be a seller or a buyer. It’s a fire sale that hopefully gets management fired like the last 3 bozos . ….

Keep fiddling DRURY....Burn this mother fucker to the ground with your incompetence, petulance, arrogance and downright cluelessness....Piss away the 2nd overall for a fucking UFA Green Bean..We all know Kakkao was the problem..... not you , you fucking scumbag...not n out of touch Laviolette...not Zbad..mot Pnarina..not Kreider..not all the incompetent D-men you have on the roster.....Oh gee..maybe we cn to see the promotion of the HUman Buzzsw or the fucking 2nd coming of WIllie HUber......Not gonna be many players left to like..PLEDASE TRADE CUYLLE AND SCHNEIDER in a pacakge for TKACHIUCK

rf4l, sure. I'm cherry picking. Let's look at the 2018 draft. Vitali Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist and 7 more busts, including a 2nd, 2 3rd rounders, 4th/5th/6th/7th. Only Good draft for Gordon was 2020 draft. Lafr, Schneider, Cuylle. Jury still out on Garand, Berard and Rempe.

Interesting stat. 8 out 10 kids drafted in top 10 of the 2019 draft, have all got traded. Speaking of Gordon. From 2019 draft, Rangers gotten, Kappo, Matthew Robertson, Karl Henriksson, Zachary Jones, Hunter Skinner, Leevi Aaltonen, Adam Edstrom and Eric Ciccolini. Is any one of them are really a future impact NHL players? That's 8 players drafted.

So Dolan hired drury that’s good but if he fires him that’s bad . Makes perfect sense. From 1940-1994.now it’s 1994 to 2024 and counting. Dolan hasn’t been the owner for most of the last 84 years. Unfortunately he’s the present owner and I can’t afford to buy him out.

JFC31, let's talk about JD and Gordon. I agree, i though they had a good plan. But looking at it now, was it a good plan? JD prints are all over Columbust, just like Habs have Gordon's prints all over them too. Habs are a fucken disaster and it is possible that Gordon could be polishing his resume once again. Not like JD had turned Columbust into a powerhouse either. Gordon did have some good picks, but he also have had some BAD, BAD picks.

...and one more thing...If you think BORGEN was brought in to help on LEFT D...uh....guess what! Think again! He's MANCINI'S replacement...who was TROUBA's replacement. Who was traded for VAAKANIANEN...who will be on the waiver wire once MILLER comes back. Are any of y'all following along here? Well, hold my beer...because I'm just getting started: TROUBA and KAKKO for a third, fourth, and sixth round picks...And you want to know the best part?!? THOSE PICKS ARE GONNA BE TRADED IN THREE SHORT MONTHS!! Buckle up, buckaroos! If you're trying to polish the shitbird that DRURY is, you got your work cut out for you!

President’s Trophy to “We give up, let’s get a new GM” in 6 months…typical Rangers fans. “…we are only what our situations hand us, it’s either sadness or euphoria!”

I just keep reflecting back on the joy and hope of lucking into the #1 and #2 picks a few years ago and how sour it's all gotten...

Stevie - guess you loveDolan and his great hockey sense, eh? Talk about delusional!

Oh and REMPE to the rescue. Bold move Cotton. Let's see if it works for them. LOL. Can't make this shit up.

Andrei - So many here, my self included, thought Gorton & JD had a good PLAN and that we were absolutely heading in the right direction. They weren’t perfect but many thought we were setting up nicely to possibly win a Cup with them. Right? Then what happened? DOLAN FORED THEM! And who did we get as GM! The same guy so many here are rrubbing their hands with glee wanting him fired! Drury is also far from perfect and I feel he’s part of the reason for our current troubles because he mistook his veteran players for real adult men and not crybaby pussies who would tank because their feelings are hurt! So, now folks here have CONFIDENCE that asshole Dolan is gonna get someone better??? It’s hilarious! Are we not paying attention?

And the mess he's made of this team in one short month is just...really something else. He rode GORTON'S coattails to the conference finals...and now? He's showing his true ineptitude. Cuz friends, if you think the Rangers are a better team WITHOUT Kaapo KAKKO and WITH Will BORGEN? Man, you're in some sort of weird fog or on drugs or maybe both.

JFC - Dude, DRURY was handed a diamond in the rough. He has now turned it into a pile of shit. The best...ABSOLUTE BEST...I can say for his work is that he brought in some guys who MIGHT be decent NHLers...The Rangers would've had a halfway decent player replacement plan in place with how he's run the draft table...but outside of that? This fuckin' idiot has gotten ABSOLUTELY SMOKED by every team he's dealt with and he's got nothing but a couple of fruitless trips to the conference finals to show for it. At least Sather and Gorts gave us a trip to the cup...I tried...SO HARD...to like this guy...but he's an idiot. Plain and simple. Just a fuckin' boob. Worst GM this team has seen this century. And again. That's saying A LOT.

So in 2 years drury is going to be the Nyr gm winning the cup…. lol … we are all delusional but some a lot more than others…

JFC31, well said. Takes years for any GM to get "his" players in. To think that a new GM will be "attached" to any existent Rangers players is non-realistic.

Oh, and BTW, who do you think Dolan will ask for his opinion on who he should hire as the next GM? Let’s see, here’s a hint…his initial are GS and he lives in Bannnnfffff! He’ll probably recommend Lou Lamoriello or Scotty Bowman and they can wheel them up tomthe top floor of MSG using the handicapped access elevator…

rf4l, Yes, I don't care!!! Igor can go, Cuylle can go. If it means that Rangers will win the Cup in the next 2-3 years? Every fucken player on the roster can go.

JFC31, exactly. I think Kappo knew what he was doing and he wanted out badly. He did ask for a trade before.

It really amazes me how so many people sound so joyful at the possibility that the likely hood of Drury getting canned went up after trading Kakko. Do you guys understand how it takes 3-5 years for a new GM to get a team to Cup contention. Y’all are OK with going backwards after watching some damn good hockey from this team in the last let’s see….what is it…oh yeah…3-5 years? Yeah….let’s struggle for another few years and HOPE a new GM knows what the fuck he’s doing. Ever think of that? The Dolan who most of us think is a star-struck asshole is gonna hire a GM who is worse….who has no connection to our young players and will have no issue trading them away for “go for it” veterans who will m shit the bed. Yeah, that’s the ticket….and then we can watch SHIT hockey until 2030! Sheesh!

Oh yeah let’s blame kaapo. Drury is innocent and infallible. He’s the best gm in the league. When he’s finished with the roster, he’ll fire lardass.

Andrei. Yep. Cuylle means nothing. So does Igor. Just an ill informed take. Again let's agree to disagree

Stevielegs, let's agree to disagree about Drury. Rangers gotten twice two games away from the Cup finals in three years, despite all their shortcomings. Drury is responsible for that, no? Should all three coaches take a blame for Kappo? Absolutely. Do I think Drury is HOF GM? Hell no. But this mess is on players. Time to take out rest of the trash.

Once Kakko publicly criticized the team, it was over…and I said so. I was surprised he was even allowed to dress for last night’s game. And ya know what else was over….any possibility of Drury waiting to see if interested teams would up their offers.By opening his mouth, Kakko put an end to that. The suitors knew that Drury would have to get him out of the locker room ASAP…I wouldn’t be surprised if the offers went DOWN after that.

rf4l, sure. Every team has a ceiling. I do those trades over again to have a chance to play in the eastern conference. Sais it before, I don't give two shits about 4th, 5th, 6ht or 7th picks. They mean nothing. You basically have to get lucky to draft a good player in those rounds. I do care about 1st's. That's where you draft your core players. 2nd and 3rd are also important. Rest?

In regard to the TRADE: Okay, so really we traded KAKKO for a 3rd. Will Borgen is to balance out the cap hit(Seattle is tight up against it) and the extra pick was for mostly taking him off there hands. He's mostly a throw in but given our circumstances, he's a useful throw in.

Andrei DD drury will not be the gm that wins the cup with the Nyr. So you’ll be waiting until Dolan cans him . He’ll never admit he had lardass hold out kaapo because he thought he had a deal for him. He doesn’t have to speak to the press for most to now know he’s in over his head and has little respect for any player. This is not the organization a player will want to play for except to make a big payday retirement plan. There are enough teams with good management, the Nyr are not one of them. I’ve waited 4 years for him to prove himself. He’s failed.

Bob. Lol. 1. Shoulda been a 2nd and a 3rd. 2. Dreary is gonna trade them away for shitty rentals.

Call me crazy, I liked Kakko. This team's problems did not get solved trading him. Is it Othman time? They need a new whipping boy!

td also. Light it up ? Likely not in Seattle. They play a “safe” style of hockey. He will likely look a lot like he did in NY. He will settle in 15-20 goals 15-20 assists most years unless they have a change in philosophy here.

td: I see him a lot living in Seattle. He doesn’t get dangled that often. If you only watch highlights sure. Otherwise he keeps the blue paint area clear of bodies and plays hard nosed and solid. He is more of a 4/5 but he isn’t some scrub.

Except the Rangers are pretenders. Geesh dude you've been screaming on here fir like 3 years no cup with Zweep. You're contradicting yourself in your rush to support Dreary.

Newfie_Ranger, exactly. BTW, when Kappo spoke to press, that price tag just dropped like a rock. GM's fucken hate when players take it to press. Hate it!!!!

rf4l, every contender trades picks for rentals. That's what teams do. Every single one of them.

Trade. Yeah. I hear ya. But he's surely gonna fall into the abyss that is the Rangers now and suck. I mean he's not Chris Pronger...

Stevielegs, I don't care. Every fucken player on this current roster can go. EVERY FUCKEN one of them. I stopped attaching myself to players long time ago. I simply view players as assets. Only care about one thing. That is winning a cup. I don't care who is on the roster, what picks, players needed to be traded to get that Cup.

tdchi.....shortly after the Rangers selected Kakko 2nd overall, my family got a new puppy.....I told my wife that i wanna name the dog "Kakko"......she declined and when the game was on in living room over these past few years...she would call him Krappo .......

tradestar28 - Wait until you watch BORGEN get dangled. Like I said...TROUBA light. The dude is a sixth defenseman on a weak team...which...we apparently have now, so he'll probably be in our top four.

See you later Kakko,don't let the door hit you in the ass. Go do 'nothing' for some other team. One good thing is that I don't have to listen to the list of excuses why this guy has not acheived anything in a Ranger uniform. and of course it's everbody elses fault except his. It's been said on here and elsewhere that this upcoming 4 Nations Cup will be his break out show case. We'll see on that one. But let me state that if he does do "something" in that tournament and in his future with other teams (like that one ?) then I will appologize to all the Kakko fans here on the Wall. I know I'm in the minority with these feelings but it's JMHO.

BWHAHAHAH...Pittsburgh got SMITTY Jr. for a third rounder...realized how badly they got fleeced by the Knights and couldn't find any way to get rid of his contract...Until Dumbass DRURY came a long...AND TRADED A FUCKING SECOND ROUNDER FOR IT!!! Can't make this shit up.

RF4L....i watched a few of the Borgen tilts.....he is not shy from throwing down.......especially when all the fuckers bang into Igor and the Rangers just sit there baking cookies instead of sticking up for the most important guy on the ice.......

This idea that Drury is getting fleeced, working for a multi-billion corporation and having scouts, advisors, etc, is just non-sense. You can bet your ass that Kappo was shopped to all NHL team's and that's the best offer he has gotten. Am I disappointed that's a 2nd overall is a bust. of course. Am I disappointed that all Rangers gotten back for a 23 year old? Sure. But this pick is on Gorton. Just imagine if Rangers had drafted Moritz Seider instead.

LOL...The "going rate" for giving the Penguins $3.6 million in cap space was giving them a second rounder...REALLY?! Wow. I mean, just...wow. Like do you read this shit before you spray?!

tdchi....Kakko aint lighting up shit except maybe his Christmas tree a week from today.......

Lindgren downfall this year was that uppercut to his jaw from Mayfield.....He got his hockey skillz punched right out of his body.......

The coach was not man enough to tell kaapo the truth so he says we need fresh legs. Now they need a new gm and coach before they fire sale the whole team like they did when they traded leetch et al.

Andrei. No. You stop it. Stop defending shitbox Dreary. He just got fleeced again

So let me get this straight.....Kakko had no chance to play top six minutes since he wasn't a fit with Z and CK(hence the trade for Smith) and the Panarin-T-Laff line was already intact from last year. So he plays on the third line to start the season with Chytil and Cullye. It turns out they are our most effective line to start the season and they a pretty successful until Lardass has to shake up the lines because Z is playing like shit. Since then this team has gone down the fucking tubes. Lardass proceeds to scratch KK the other night to get fresh legs and now he's gone for a shit return. Can anyone actually defend what Drury/Lardass has done here? Help me out, please!

Stop, with this Drury gave up 2nd for Smith. Going rate for Smith was probably a 4th, but Shitsburg is picking up 30% of his salary. That's the going rate for picking up salary's.

tradestar28 - he should've fired his fuckin' coach and gotten someone who would use KAKKO. But this is the same assclown who traded BUCHNEVICH for a guy who isn't even in the NHL anymore...oh...and that second rounder. For a 70-point winger...that's our Chris DRURY! Tell you what. If I'm an NHL GM? I'm fucking WAR DIALING this idiot and getting what ever he is moving, because he's a fucking clueless asshat. Like we're approaching MILBURY/CHIARELLI status.

This is so bizarre. What a stupid season this has turned out to be. Kakko blew it by bitching, but my goodness is this dumb. A 2nd overall for a 3rd and 5th. Pathetic.

I cant believe we gave up a 2nd rounder plus for Reilly fuckin Smith.....i hate that whole Smith family! Bunch of weirdos

BORGEN, I will say, is a very physical defenseman. Some Ranger fans will like him. But...like I said...basically a poor man's Jacob TROUBA.

How absolutely disappointing - https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/borgewi01.html

tradestar28, sure. He should have gotten a 1st. But if that's all Drury could have gotten, that's the going price. Bust 2nd overall.

Don’t stop now DD drury because your days are numbered. 2025 is your last year as gm

Good Lord. Will Borgen and not even a 2nd rounder back? WTF is that? What a clown show this is. Drury gets fleeced again. My goodness.

So trade is basically a 3rd and a 5th. That's the best offer Drury got for Kappo. Sad. Kappo maid his bed. Now, enjoy Seattle. So he got shopped around and that's the best offer that was on a table. Kreider should be next. Then Feeses, Smith, Lindgreen.

Shit, I thought Charlie STRAMEL would've been a bad return. DRURY was like 'hold my beer...'

He seriously just traded away TROUBA to trade away KAKKO to get...a poorman's TROUBA. This guy is a fuckin' retard. I hope this Ranger team folds like a cheap suit, loses every fucking game from here out and gets his fucking dumbass fired.

BORGEN is a pending UFA. Fuck this team. Seriously, fuck it. I'm done with this season.

https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/must-see-nhl-analyst-tears-new-york-rangers-management-to-shreds-during-live-video

https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/mika-zibanejad-displays-his-true-colours-towards-the-rangers-when-responding-to-having-his-role-diminished?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR37b-XjU9zVmEGfkEnTXqzjCD-Wv4LYlAgwQiJOQyCcScEIa1c67teoR38_aem_ATWdh9GWkPZ8BPeHy6TDMg

E - It was BizDouche that mentioned it .but probably trolling...some lowlife blogger printed it..and bozo me put it on here, mainly for grins....and why would this week or next week be any different then the last month for the team to play so good to squash the rumors? Answer..It won't be! becasue they are not capable of it or care about it enough as a collective due to what has seeped down from above from both the coach and GM....Not too mention, as you say, they don't have the horses or chemistry or leadership any more due to the incompetence of the GM and coach........Somebody has to be sharing this with Dolan, no?..And I hope he hears it from many directions to the point it means something to him..The team is an embarrassment

E - The Rangers miss out on that playoff dough? Yep. That'll get DRURY a pink slip.

Brandon MONTOUR, 6' 199 pounds and 'made for the playoffs,' obviously, because he has a cup. Zac JONES, one inch shorter and nine pounds lighter is not made for the playoffs? C'mon meow. He's bigger than Adam FOX, FFS.

I didnt hear it personally but I think one of the spitting chick lets guys said he spoke with Avery who was on his way to meet with Jim Dolan. Doesn’t surprise me. I wouldn’t think its for any kind of front office thing. Might just be having lunch. Maybe Dolan wants an opinion. Avery will definitely give you an opinion. You may not like what it is. But he’ll give one. But I think it’s gotten legs as does everything with the name Avery attached to it. Personally, I think the management drama and everything is reaching beyond absurd. Drury aint getting fired because the players are unhappy about him. The GM is not a coach. He is next level up. I have a good idea for these guys. Play good and that will squash the rumors. I am not exonerating Drury. I think he has not been very good and I think he needs to turn this ship around or he will answer to Dolan. And given Dolan’s willingness to throw JD and the previous regime out as he did? I wouldn’t sit safe in MSG offices right now

top: Jones is not built for the SCF's. A round or two, possibly, but ultimately, if I were an opposing coach I'm going right on this kid and wearing him down.

Does Dipshit Dickweed Drury have one or two thumbs up his ass right now?? Unfortuantely, I'm afraid what will happen when he takes them out!!!

TDCHI - That was me on AVery!..You were Trolled! I just found it hilarious that it was out there and we need have fun some way!!

E- The Kakkao I saw for a good month on the Kid line was more than a 3rd liner and really had me optimistic....To be hinest, who looks more than a 3rd liner on this team now??? Panarina offensively..laffy occasionally..Cuylle as a comp/role player...that's it.......TOP - Not sure Where Jones has been the whipping boy...He was playing werll for awhile....and Schneider is one of my top 3 Rangers but the play of him and Jones (especially a few games ago) and Boom Boom have also gone down...Nobody has been untouched by this stench.

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/stats for all of you complaining about Jones, only he and schneider are + in +/- category on d who have played 25 games. So look elsewhere and find a new whipping boy.

Who is spreading the AVERY rumor? Just silly. The dude literally NUKED his way out of New York and became so toxic that he retired from the NHL to work for a fashion magazine. Since that point, he has spent a good deal of his time defending bike lanes and berating motorists in New York City. And now? He's reinvented himself ragging on the Rangers' soft play. Like who HONESTLY believes anyone from the organization would be tapping him? They wouldn't hire him to clean toilets at MSG, much less advise the team...Now RUPP? That's a different story. I could actually believe that.

JFC31 - Minny would chop through people to get at the Rangers if they offered KAKKO-for-STRAMEL straight up. They'd have that deal drawn up before DRURY got the second syllable of KAKKO's name from his lips.

Hospo: I think it was during the offseason that ZBad mentioned he needed / could benefit from playing with a guy who could set him up better. Ironically, KaKKo might be that guy, but not with Kreider on the LW. Thats another reason why they must be split at ES. Put Zbad between Cullye & KaKKo and they'll be dangerous, but what to do with CHYTIL then? Another set up guy for Zbad is Lafreniere, and until we trade SMITH, we could put Smitty on that line with Panarin & Trocheck, OR, we move Cullye to RW with Panarin & Trocheck and create a line of Kreider/Chytil/Smith...

Hospo: IMO KaKKo also needs work choosing when he 'touch-passes' the puck to a teammate vs deciding to play keep away from the opponents. He needs to mix it up better, pick his spots better & keep the opposition off-guard. just my amateur eye talking now.

TD: from my vantage point part of what Drury needed to factor was take a last ditch effort to find a RW that would mesh with Kreider / Zibanejad vs splitting this bromance onto different lines. He chose the path of signing a RW. With hindsight, it wasn't the best decision or the route to go. As GM, he needs & needed to get that call correct, and Drury didn't. As a result & from my POV, SMITH is a 1st option trade candidate. I have nothing against this guy, he's just the wrong fit at the wrong time. Jones & Berard are also the wrong fits at the wrong time. WE will need at least 1 upgrade at wing, & we need a Center, we need 1-2 LHS-D depending upon what's available. Are we re-signing LINDGREN? IF Not, we need 2 LHSDmen.

I should’ve pointed out. Kakko as an asset does not have much trade worth. People have to remember that he is no longer a #2-pick. He is a 3rd-4th line winger. Not a terrible player but he is what he is. Not to say that he doesn’t have room to grow but it probably aint gonna happen in NY.

Sean Avery being asked by Dolan for his advice? Sean Avery being considered as new GM? Who makes this shit up? SEAN AVERY! Guy is a narcissistic blowhard who needs constant attention. Charlie Strammel? Nice idea…but, that’s all it is. It has no basis in fact except a single report about teams in the West being interested in KK, with Minny being one of them. Minny interested? Hey, they have Charlie Strammel. Hey, the Rangers WANT Strammel for Kakko! That’s how this shit works nowadays! And none of those who are part of the creation of this rumor will deny or repudiate anything because PUBLICITY is all that matters…as long as their names are being mentioned, it’s all good with them.

RF4L - re: STRAMEL, I wouldn't count on it. The only hope I have that KAKKO will get us something decent is that he's an RFA, he has a reasonable contract and that any NHL scout should be able to see he's drastically and disastrously underutilized. But then I think about who our GM is, and the list of players he's given away...and...well...

RF4L - That seems misleading/wrong to me..But i have been wrong before once or twice......Don't ZBAD, Kreids, SMith, Tro, Panarina,Laffy, Cuylle and Chytl average more ice time than KK? wouldn't that make him #9?

Also, Ranger legends Magnus HELLBURG and Colon BLACKWELL are expected to be in a Stars uniform when they play the Rangers...

Well I hated the Smith deal when it went down because why (re not needed) and too much given up to get him. More fabulous work courtesy of Chris Dreary.

Hospo - hahah you me OG SMITTY?! You may just get that chance! Looks like he's slotted in with Dallas' third pairing with our other dear friend, Nils LUNDKVIST.

KK has the 6th amount of average icetime on the team. Below him are Carrick, Edstrom, Vesey, Berard and JBrod.

Hospo - LOL. Man, I do miss TIMMMMAY!!! Anywho, yeah, physical, if you're defining it as a guy who can play the boards? That's KAKKO for sure. Like I said. GREAT at holding the puck. This is a guy you want in your lineup, not who you want in the stands. Definitely not someone you want to trade for a shot at playing prospect roulette.

MF - That's what KK has turned into for us probably because it works best for the line he was on...He did his job well...I commented many a night how well his passing and vision was...But, i do want him to go to the net more................TDCHI - Only in Bizarro Rangerland! Last night was a disgrace...I spent my venom on him in the off-season...I'd rather have his brother! The Real SMitty!!

Just want to put this out there too. On what fucking planet does a 33-year-old winger who struggled badly in 2023-24 and ultimately lost his top-six spot in the lineup get a chance to WALK INTO a top six role over a dude who has been on the team for five years an has been nothing short of a good soldier? I'm talking about SMITTY Jr. The fucking goat...and I don't mean that in a good way...last night who got WALKED by an AHLer in the last minutes of a 1-zip game. This dude gets two more minutes per night on average and has a worse Corsi/Fenwick(although there's a small caveat here), that has resulted in one...count it...ONE extra point. We can get into +/-, but I won't because this is a loaded stat...the point being is that SMITTY Jr. has cost more...literally, since we gave up a second rounder just to fit his contract...and...well...literally, because he STILL has a higher cap hit...and who is providing no observable or appreciable benefit for the team that KAKKO isn't or wasn't already providing...so when we get into what KAKKO is and is not, let's first talk about how this fucking shithead GM and his toady coach REFUSES to use the assets he already has in place before blithely overspending for a guy who adds nothing and, in the case of last night, was a contributing factor in a soul-crushing loss.

I'll add that IMO KaKKo is also a puck distributer who unfortunately is not / has not been played to his strengths.

TDCHI - I was mainly funning with GETTINGER!!..Still, I want no part of STAMMEL and I want to keep KAKKAO....And, one thing, KAKKAO isn't physical in open ice and throwing checks (who is outside of Cuylle and Carrick??)...but very physical fighting along the end boards and side boards...I also thought he was getting a bit more physical until the latest shit forced upon him by Laviolette..Not a mentally strong/confident kid, that's his problem

tradestar28 - We can agree to disagree where KAKKO will fall as a player when given a chance. I can see how folks can have a rather dower opinion of the guy when he's not a hitter and doesn't really play a physical game, nor does he have the hand like LAFRENIERE...where I disagree is that the dude is a puck magnet. He is VERY hard to knock off the puck, and that's a very valuable player to ANY team. Modern coaches...the ones who actually understand the game today...see the extreme value of these guys...and it basically goes like this: If you can hold the puck for 60 percent of the game or so, you're going to WIN that game nine times out of 10. You're going to get more scoring chances. You're going to draw more penalties. And above all? You're going to make your opponent work a fuck-load harder...so even a guy who can't hit the broadside of a door BUT CAN carry the puck and hold it...well, he's really fuckin' valuable...I'll give you a for-instance...we're seeing CUYLLE suddenly putting up points like it's his job. What changed? Welp, one thing: He's on a line with two guys who are magnificent at holding onto the puck. They open up space for him, because if you got guys chasing KAKKO or CHYTIL...and more importantly, getting drawn out of position or losing their guy...well, that's when HE gets free...Anywho, I never figured KAKKO to be a high-scoring player, but I DO think he'll be a 20-goal, 50-point player who can fill the role I just explained...but all that said? This kid is SOOOOOOO underutilized by the Rangers for no particular reason and at a detriment to the team.

Gabe Perrault turns 20 in May 2025... Do we dare rush this kid to the NHL level, say 3rd line for starters, "or" do we take the prudent path of letting him get a year of Hartford under his belt? https://puckpedia.com/player/gabe-perreault

How far do you folks want to cut? AFAIC, the 1st layer consists of trading / making available: Smith, Jones, Berard, Edstrom, Vesey and just about anyone on the Farm outside of Perreault & (Goalie) Garand (sp?)...... 2nd layer (a bit deeper) would be including Kreider and Lindgren and possibly Chytil. 3rd Layer would be to include MIKA Zbad.....

HOSPO - FWIW, STRAMEL is a lot more physical than a guy like GETTINGER. The rest of the package, though, isn't that much better. His size and strength will probably get him into the NHL...but how far? The other name who comes to mind is a guy we saw last night: Michael McCARRON. Bottom line? If you're trading an established NHLer for a kid who is just finding his way in college...you're taking a bet, for sure. Just not one that is remotely safe.

trade: Of course you're right but these guys aren't machines and various factors impact their play and in this guy's case, it's being marginalized by 3 different vet loving head coaches. I mean think about this pressboxing 2 games ago - he's 2nd in the team in +/- while Z is last and he gets the shaft? Utterly gutless on Lardiolette's part of a perfect example of what I'm arguing. And mark my word brother - he gets moved and he's gonna blossom and Dreary is gonna look like a fool. Again.

Stramel? I'm not ready to kick the can that far into the future. We can make changes to compete this season and next and that's the direction I'm looking at. ...

TDCHI....in all honesty, KK hasn't flourished either. I dont give two shits about him not getting enough icetime or Power play or top 6 minutes.....When you hop over the boards for your shift.....simply put the fuckin puck in the net behind the Tendy.....thats it! That is what he is paid to do.......and he sucks at it.......

CNP - picking a coach from the outside given all the melodrama and soap opera concerning the players and GM is going to be tough.....As a coach, I would be dubious of Dickweed Drury...Internally (Peca????) might be the way to go..And then he goes when a new GM steps in...or if we are saddled with Drury for 3 more years of not getting close, then the coach doesn't matter!!

If Charlie STRAMEL is all they get for KAKKO...well...as I used to say to my kids...you get what you get and you don't throw a fit...There are worse things that have happened. Like Hiroshima. And the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. STRAMEL is a guy who will never 'wow' you with much of anything buy his size, and even that isn't anything off the charts. He'll probably play at 225, maybe 230 when all is said and done...when I look at him, the first player who comes to mind? Keegan IVERSON. If you don't remember him? Well, good...STRAMEL didn't do much with Wisconsin and really became a bottom-line afterthought in program. He transfered this season to Michigan State and is getting more ice...and is putting up more points...but he's also with one of the top ranked teams in college hockey...In short, the Wild selected him a good 10 or 15 picks too early...which is something I said at the time I think. The fact he was taken OVER Gabe PERREAULT was utterly laughable...All that said, he IS a center and probably will end up being an NHLer, albeit a bottom liner. I see him needing at least a couple seasons in the AHL before honestly competing for a job...but I also haven't been watching him too closely. Anywho, if it's him for KAKKO straight up, DRURY and the Rangers got taken to the cleaners in a pretty major way. The only good thing I can say about it all is that STRAMEL is still young, and he's big and there's always a chance he turns into something. Not much of a chance...but hey.

Quick look at some of the names out there, other than the coaching retreads like Bruce Boudreu. Hershey Bears head coach Todd Nelson is one of the best bench bosses currently outside the NHL according to many. Marc Savard is part of the Flames coaching staff. Jay Leach is part of the Kraken and another up and coming coach. Of course we had one in Knobloch and that ship has passed.

Hospo: NOBODY owns the "OmniPotent Traderator!" We can only hope to tap into it's infinite powers. "May the Schwartz be with you!" ;-)

Reports from Hartford saying that Robertson's play has greatly improved over the past month. Through 25 games, he leads the defense corps with 14 points (one goal, 13 assists) and is tied (with Case McCarthy) for the best plus/minus at plus-3. That said, keep him in Hartford until/unless the mess in RangerLand is retified.

Rhet: Maybe expand that deal to include Kreider (because Barfalo is desperate for veteran leadership - yeah I get the oxymoronic aspect here) so it would be KK, Miller and Kreider for Cozens, Samuelson and Jack Quinn.

Is Drury going to wait until after the losses to Dallas, Carolina and NJ? Better yet, Is Dolan going to wait until after he talks to Avery, Messier, BizzDouche, PL SLubann and Sather??? (maybe Dolan should talk to the King? And some former players that care.. I'm serious about this one becasue they all know better than us what could possibly be going on)

Rhet: I wouldn't if I was Barfalo but that's because 2 years ago Cozens started to bust out. Could something like MIller and KK for Cozens and Samuelsson get done? I'd love to get Cozens and then convince Zbad to waive his NMC and send him elsewhere for whatever you can get (which wouldn't be much at this point). Miller is >> than Sameulsson but the latter is far more aggressive and mean. Maybe Kreider can then be traded for a young right winger who'd replace KK.

KIS - the problem is, you are not the GM!! :) really...becasue a huge part of the problem is how the GM has burnt down the chemistry and organization and depth of a once proud team......You said it yourself...everybody is sucking (and all with decreasing trade vale) so it is not this player or that player..it's the entire fucking team and there are two common denominators that must be changed first.....then you might see which players are failing and why..The environment is way too toxic to make decisions now....Again, for the Rangers ever to compete for a Cup again, DRURY mus go....for it to have a chance to get better this year, Laviolette must go...The players come after....Unfortunateluy that won't stop the clueless DRURY from trading KAKKAO now

Hospo/E….Such s short time ago our blueline was the envy of the league….We would get offense from several of them….Now we are laughed at…

PJ/E - They shoot horses don't They??? Seriously as for the lack of horses on D, how quickly things changed...Just take the first hald of last season.....A mean and solid, Trouba, a rising Schneider, an emrging Miller, a world class D man with some speed in FOX, and a solid soldier in LINDGREN, the problem was depth....Fast forward this year...BOTH MILLER and SCHNEIDER have been victims of the disease with plummeting play, the Trouba soap opera made it impossible to retyrn to his pre-broken ankle play especially when he was traded for trash, LIndgren is just wearing down and playing smaller, and Fox is a shadow of his former self (probably effected by the diseae also)......Honestly, i think most of these players will improve if and when the head of the rotting fish is cut off...but the lack of depth (RUWHEDEL!!! - Great going Drury) is staggering..............and.I don't think KAKKAO needs a new team, just think he needs a new coach, a coach more in tune with younger players...they don't get that then, yeah, give him up for marginal NHLer and/or a 7th round pick..................

RF4L... I was thinking about this the other day in regard to Buffalo. Dylan Cozens was taken 7th overall in the same draft year. Would you trade him straight up for Kakko now? I know I wouldn't if I were the Sabres. Does that make him worth a 4th? Maybe a 3rd if some GM overvalues him? Maybe there are still a couple of GM's out there that still love him and we get lucky, but I am skeptical.

I understand many dont agree with me but how do you go 12-4 and then shit is leaked out to the public now you are 15-15-1? If i were GM id be gettiing rid of many more or having them sit at home. Horrible way to send off Sam Nosen TD its ok if we disagree not the first time sure it wont be the last. Do respect your opinion. Please tell me at whst time KK has looked dangerous even with only 12 min. Look at laffy he is playi g like shit but can show 1-2 times a game to be dangerous on goal im sorry a out disagreeing about jones. Saying he was one of the best yesterday isnt saying much. Three shouldnt be in the nhl. Jones wonr hold up during the playoffs. Moves puck well and skates well but he is just to small i again in my opinion

I have never looked forward to going to a Ranger game in person less than I am for Friday night in Dallas. There has been almost no entertainment value for about a month now. I just feel like the Stars are going to be spinning around the Rangers like a Bugs Bunny cartoon from the '70's.

Jonny Lazarus reposted Michael Russo @RussoHockey No Quote Paul Golnick @Paulgolnick · 2h Replying to @RussoHockey and @JoeSmithNHL Any truth to the Wild being in on Kakko at all? 11:33 AM · Dec 18, 2024 · 37.5K Views

And I would trade Kakko for Stramel. If nothing else if we just look at both players as bottom-6 talents. Stramel I think is going to be an NHL player. Kakko I think just needs to get out of here. He is a guy who just needs a reboot. I dont think he’ll ever reach his potential at this point in a blue shirt. One team is looking to the future and one is looking at the present. This would be a trade that makes sense. Especially if you could squeeze a depth pick as well to help restock that.

PJ: they don’t have the horses. Now mind you, trading Trouba is not something that I necessarily think was a bad thing. I mean he wasn't remotely giving bang for the buck. But he was playing and someone can correct me almost 20-minutes a night. And the Rangers dont have a stable of defenders that can step into that hole seamlessly. Drury knew that when he was opening that hole. I think obviously he intends to close it if with nothing else a stopgap veteran. Preferably a good old fashioned 30-year old journeyman type. The ones who come to a team with a simple game but solid. And one thats seen just about everything. That is unless theyre out of it. Then I dont care. Just stock the coffers and look towards the horizon. Red Skies at night…

Rhet: KaKKo should have spent his 1st year in Hartford as should every kid 'not listed' as a generational talent. Next: Add up KaKKo's time on the IR, he probably lost close to a full season, especially if we consider the amount of games it takes to get back into, "game-shape." jmo-n

RF/others: Charlie STRAMEL'S scouting reports pre-draft: http://www.mynhldraft.com/2023-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Charlie-Stramel

Oh, on CHYTL..I totally understand the worry on his durability becasue it scares the crap out of me..and can see where some might want to deal him NOW when his health is temporarily good.......but....Look at the rangers....and look at other teams and how they move the puck up the ice.....CHYTL is the only Center, maybe even forward, that has the skill and confidence to skate the puck through the neutral zone and into the D zone..nobody else does it! And just the Rangers luck that the player they need so bad (IMWO more than ZBAD and TRO) is the one most likely to get hurt....God, the rangers as constructed by Drury are fucked..

Even when KAKKAO was playing excellent this year, and he was for a month, Laviolette was Marginalizing him..THat line had some grerat chemistry and all of them were shining..Fast forward to the mess today...unfuckingbelivable what the GM and coach have done

E: Oh for sure. Zero issues with Perrault. It's moot anyways - Stramel went 21st and Perrault 23rd. I never considered the latter because he was projected to go in the top 10.

RF: Not that you are making this argument but Im fine with Perrault. Perreault is hands down a much ebtter prospect. I mean, the guy put up 132 points in a single season with the USNTDP. He busted Auston Matthews’ record! His vision, playmaking, and hockey IQ are off the charts. He’s will make everyone around him better, and his point production speaks for itself. Stramel’s a big, physical guy, but Perreault’s the kind of player who can dominate the game with his skill. He’s a playmaking machine, and that’s what the NHL needs more of right now. Stramel’s got potential, but Perreault’s already proving he’s on another level offensively. I think Stramel is looking more like a bottom-6 guy but I definitely could see him becoming a pretty forceful weapon if he matures as good as he can. Right now though I think the Rangers have no question nor should they second guess the pick. I think we’ll be happy in a few years.

Hospo…So true with our D….Being at the game against the Blues I was looking at our D and saying we just don’t have the horses…Two maybe three of them should not be here…The Blues were pathetic and we lost to them…We make enough mistakes that teams know many chances are coming…

TD: Using your analogy about the bus, sometimes the mechanics of the bus cause it to go off the rails and that's where Dreary fits in. And that's not to say Lardiolette is absolved of blame. He's arguably more to blame than Dreary but remember Dreary hired him and to date, hasn't fired him. Maybe a 10 0 shellacking by Dallas will be the straw that breaks the camel's back???

Legz: Chytil's trade value is higher than its been in a looonnnggg while, certainly no harm to talk about trading him. Go-Legs-Go!

Rhet: Tough to call - he's been marginalized to a great extent by the series of vet stroking coaches he's had to play under. I'm not alleviating him of blame - he has to bear some of it. I am certain, however, wherever he goes, he's gonna blossom and if the return for him is middling the Rangers (once again) will have egg all over their faces. Better solution? Fire this shitbox coach and give this kid legitimate top 6 minutes.

Rhet: IF the coach started by allocating 16 TOI Minutes to each of the top 9 adjusted for special teams, KaKKo would be getting his Minutes.

Where is Mr chypil been playing for longer than kaapo , and is possibly one hit away from retirement? It’s a shame that DD drury is in charge looking to make deals like he’s going for the cup. He’s really not.

Good morning Wall, Fuck u Dolan, Fuck u Dreary, Fuck u Lard Ass, Fuck u Z-shit, Fuck u Kreider.......Can't wait for the game in Dallas!!!!

And just to go through a few more points...Look, you have a coach to assess players and see where they fit best. The Rangers have now had not one, but THREE coaches who have been awful at doing this. The last two have been vet-centric. LAVIOLETTE isn't as bad as GALLANT was, but not far off...JONES, FWIW, has been one of the best defenders on this team this year. He hasn't been soft...quite the opposite, actually, and is the ONLY one of them moving with any purpose, save for occasionally SCHNEIDER...KAKKO? What do you want him to do with 11 or 12 minutes? CHYTIL? This is the first time the kid has been given anything close to top six minutes under LAV. I mean, seriously...LAF? Well, we can agree there. But the rest? The young players are actually the ones doing the right things out there...and they're getting shit for minutes most nights, and in some cases, scratched...Now we can get into what to do about the rest...but the truth is, the Rangers rode career years from TROCHECK, FOX, and SHESTERKIN, and very good years from Z, KREIDER and to a lesser extent MILLER to where they were last year. NONE of those guys is performing up to par or even close to par. And that's where the problem lies. Trade them for pennies on the dollar? Meh? Go ahead if you want to emulate the Buffalo Sabres. That's what they did with REINHART, EICHEL and O'REILLY. And here they are with another loser season and a retread coach who is absolute battery acid to them...and those three players? They ALL have cups. So be careful who you villainize and why. Sometimes, the problem isn't what you think it is. More often than not, when the bus goes off the road, it's the guy driving it who steered it that direction.

I remember hoping the Rangers would select this kid in the 2023 draft and that's not throwing dirt on Perrault. Here's a detailed write-up on him: "Teams in search of size and speed will love what Charlie Stramel brings to the draft table. Physically he is NHL ready; at 6-foot-3 and 216 pounds, he is a physically imposing player who can play a grinding or skill game. His strength and size are noteworthy, especially as he is still a freshman in the NCAA with the University of Wisconsin playing against men much older than him. However, Stramel, who before the start of the season was expected to go early in the first round of this year’s draft, but due to some inconsistency in his play this season, his draft stock has fallen. His skating is not elite but it is still very good, especially for a player his size. His top speed is excellent, but he needs improvement on his mobility and his first step lacks the explosiveness he needs to reach top speed without taking four or five steps, which puts him a step behind smaller, speedier players. This should change as he adds strength as he matures. That being said, he still can generate separation when facing the majority of his opposition but needs that added speed to compete with the elite players at his level and to become more prepared for the professional game. Offensively, Stramel is very difficult to defend due to his size, but he is also versatile as he can play a complementary skill game. His size makes him highly effective in his power-forward style, especially as he is very comfortable playing in front of the net on the power play or at even strength. His playmaking is still a work in progress. He is adept at playing the cycle and retaining offensive pressure, making life difficult for defenders attempting to break out of their zone with his speed and positioning. Even when he isn’t crashing the crease, his speed allows him to attack along the wings as well where he can use his heavy shot. His shot selection is a strength to his game as well as the quick release and accuracy."

RF4L... Think about it this way, KAKKO is in his 6th years as a pro and he's playing in the bottom six. What do you really think his real value is worth at this point?

Kis.. Can’t argue with anything you said…Problem is you can’t equate professional sports with the business world most of us live in…I remember my first job out of school with a large corporation….My boss heard me bitching to other employees about something….He asked me to go for a walk with him…We went to the elevator and to the first floor and on to the front door…He showed me it opened and I wasn’t locked in…If I wanted to go I could leave now..If not get back to work and keep your mouth shut….Professional sports obviously don’t work that way…

MF - I've lost my patience with Lindgren too..In his intertview he said the "team battled" last night (well, maybe Riley Smith and Zbhad did!)..These players no longer have a clue what it means to battle and compete..and a coach who has zero clue how to get them to do that better..Of course, not having players that can physically battle and compete (look at the D) lays on the shoulders of what DRURY has done to burn the NHL part of the organization down when he fiddles....We all know what he can do with that fiddle....

mf: Of course not. 2 totally different players and obviously what KK brings to the table is what the Wild are interested in and that's not even getting into Chytil's injury issues.

If he hasn't already, Drury needs to tell Lavy exactly what he expects from his coaches. Chain of command type of thing, and Lav "should know better" than what he's doing. This is frustrating as could be and we're not out of the woods by a long shot. Yesterday's post game interviews, Kreider didn't look into the camera for 90% of his interview. Lindgren DID speak up and placed responsibility on the players, bottom line I took away from Lindgren was, hey, some of us are playing (or not playing) for our next contract and we're going to get hit in the wallet. Good for Lindgren. Lots of talk here about firing this guy, or trading that guy, "but who are we replacing them with and how are we getting it done?" "Cheers" :->) This Franchise has the 'Fregosi Curse'

Rumours this AM that the Wild are very interested in KK and the Rangers want Charlie Stramel in any return coming back. He was Minnesota's first round pick (21st overall) in 2023. A mean, physical centre with 3rd line capabilities.

This was a pretty good watch... Jonny Lazarus.... Ranger Danger ft. Mike Rupp | Morning Cuppa Hockey.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQE2TzsMRg&t=2143s

KIS - You are SOOOOOO wrong, re: LAVIOLETTE. SO wrong. Dude, there are like a billion and one arrows and they're ALL pointing to that guy. To NOT think he has anything to do with this, you'd need to first believe that he's not making the lineup card. Second, you'd need to believe he's got no power over determining how to play the guys on his roster, or who he kept from day one, and who gets called up. You'd also need to believe he's not the guy sending players over the bench or making lines. You'd also need to believe he's not the guy running practices. Or scratching players. Or...well, just about ANY of the things that hockey coaches do. YES, some of this is on DRURY. Actually, a lot. He's the idiot who keeps hiring retread archaic coaches...but what you're seeing on the ice IS Peter LAVIOLETTE. That is what he is getting from his players, and, like his predecessor, he has ZERO idea why things aren't working or how to GET them working. Zero. I banged out two posts below that a fucking MITES coach could use as a template for getting a team going. He does NONE of that. ZERO. ZIPPO. Until LAVIOLETTE is no longer coach, this is ALL on him. 100 percent. And if you DON'T believe that, then you must REALLY want him canned, because if the players aren't responding to what he's telling them to do, and he's STILL sending them out there shift in and shift out...well, that says to me he's a fucking weak-ass coach with no spine who nobody respects.

Per Jonny Lazarus, he's heard from several NYR players (off the record), that the reports of them having a closed door meeting about Drury is not true.... (although it doesn't mean that they don't hate them)... Then again, wouldn't you want to deny it? Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

What came first the DD drury memo or the players slacking? Or was it the Goodrow Trouba stories that combined with the memo that looks like the smoking gun ? Round and round we go. The players are not responding, so now what clean house?

The year the Blues were a complete mess well into December did they make a major trade or was it simply changing coaches??? I remember the coaching moves but not personnel.

KIS - I’m not entirely disagreeing with you. But, thought experiment - let’s just assume (because this is the rational behavior that you noted) that DRURY, through LAVI, did exactly what said: read them the riot act, told them to nut up, etc, etc. And. We are here. What do you do? My guess is that old tymey hockey DRURY wanted to make a point. My guess is that he knew what a lot here knew…this team as constituted is not getting over the hump. My guess is that when TROUBS kiboshed his summer plan and made the silly and self fulfilling statements like “this is the last try for this team”. First…yeechh. What kind of Captain would say that? Not enough was mentioned about that at the time. Doomed from the start. Anyway…back to DRURY - he sat back and said…ok…fine. Show me where I was wrong. Show me you got the goods. Show me you know what is better for org than I do. Oh boy did these guys show him. MY thoughts at this juncture….enough. DRURY, you made your goddamn point. These players are not worth it. But you can do 2 things at once. It’s entirely possible to can the coach who obviously is tuned out AND start your fire sale of the core. Best case, like what often can happen after a coaching change, the players get a spark, and their value goes up…and you STILL get to unload them and remake the team as you see fit. Worse case, players continue to suck and show it wasn’t all the coach, start your dismantle. Win, win, win, win. There is a lot of arrogance and entitlement and stupidity to go around here. Players, surely. Coaches, of course. Add DRURY to the list if he doesn’t do the above. It’s just rubbing everyone’s noses in it…and…for what. You won. You were right. Don’t be a dick about it.

KIS - of course the players are to blame too...especially the vets...there have been only 2-3 players (mostly kids) that have played with heart, guts, pride on a consistent basis...They need to rise above...They haven't tried...But when it permeates the entirfe roster, the main blame of the disease is on the coach and GM.....Fuck, look at the D that was playing last night......a Flopping Finesse Finn, Chad Ruwhedel, a midget Zac Jones, . aa totally decomposing and rotting Ryan Lindgren, the pusssy Adam Fox...For an NHL defense it doesn't get worse then that...and we have only been playing wimp teams.....I am not even gonna go into the lines..

TDCHI - I guess WE read what we want to read....As for Laurel and Hrdy and the mess the Rangers are in...If the Rangers ever want to be relative again and build an NHL team to compete for the Cup with tem like fLA and NJ in the East..DRURY must go....To get the current team to maybe come together and play better this year as a start...LAVIOLETTE must go

Fans need to stop blaming Drury and Lavi. Did Lavi get basically the same group to the Conf. finals? Has he won a cup? It's not all him. Its Drury's job to build a team. He has seen this team reached its peak and they cant win. How many of us have said This team needs changes because constituted this way they will never win the cup. How many of us have said Zbad and or Kreider needs to go.Drury starts trades to clear cap space and everybody blames Drury. Doesn't matter how he did it. He did it. If you don't perform at work you would be fired. these guys get millions and still have work they just get moved to another company or division. They still are working. You cant tell your boss how to run things. WTF? These guys still on the Rangers get millions to perform Stop your fucking crying and go out and perform. Thousands of people pay hundreds to watch you play and us people only make thousands not millions. Take the fucking skirt off and bust your ass. Enough of blaming be a man a step up. Hate this shit. Want to try and find a way to have people lose their jobs because your ass hurt over the way he treated your friends. Be happy you are still here in NYC

The thing that annoys me before the Cuylle fight is how many more whacks at the puck before they bury someone. It's embarrassing

I think you can see why this team sucks. When the older guys don't want to play The team is in trouble. Chytil for all his flash cant do shit when playing as a first line center. God he cant even be hit of he cracks like Humpty Dumpty. He is a 3rd line center until he proves he can get somewhat physical. Kakko for as much as fans want him to be good, sucks. trade his ass if that's what he wants. He doesn't have enough speed. he might have physical strength but he has no speed. I don't want to hear about development. You cant teach speed. When in five years has he taken over a game. When has the gifted ability shown that he can do more than win a puck on the board or skate be hind the net. When has he ever created or scored in bunches. Cullye isn't given help yet he creates opportunity. Laffy is one who needs to get his head out of his ass. Jones is two fucking small. He might look great in practice but he will never hold up during playoff hockey.AS we saw the past 2 games without Panarin this team doesn't have much of a chance to score goals. As Soros said," No Goals" Dont expect him to be a selke winner. He scores 100 points a year. Get a scheme to help him out defensively. Fuck This coach can be dumb as a rock many times. Smith would be good on a line with Carrick and Vesey. Get The 6'6 swede off the team he is a waste at least Remepe brought energy. SMH I hate this team right now

Season is over folks. Emily Kaplan reporting dolans complete support of Drury and his moves ..season over possibly another 10 years of sather.

Face the facts of where there’s smoke there’s fire… the arsonist of his reasons is DD drury, and the guy pouring gas on it is lardass. As a result they have lost the team, and are doing nothing to get them back except with punishment and threats of punishment. When those two get the message and have a team meeting to try and clear the air maybe they’ll get back to normal. I’m not betting on those two because I don’t think they respect the players, but they think they should be respected. Dolan has to step in and I don’t think sather will get involved since he’s probably not getting paid and is not tuned in. Until then nothing will really change.

And while I'm ranting...Dude, I just wanted to bring up that the two goals against yesterday? The two goals scored by a team that literally can't score goals? First one was on a TERRIBLE turnover by RUHWEDEL, who, for the life of me, I can't understand why he's in the lineup. With TROUBA gone and MILLER out, he is STILL not even in the top eight of defensemen depth-wise...I can at least cough that up to him being rusty...though that doesn't really explain WHY he's in the lineup...but still. Let's wave that madness for a sec and jump to the third...WHAT...in the every-fucking-love-of-all-that's-holy...WHAT was SMITTY Jr. doing on that second goal?! That wasn't Roman JOSI juking him out of his jock. That wasn't even Brady SKJEI pulling the dangle...Adam WILSBY. Don't know that name, you say? Well that's because he's a FUCKING CAREER MINOR LEAGUER. This guy is a duster. The ONLY reason he's in the NHL is because half their D is injured. I haven't said much about this guy, because he DOES look like he's trying...but FFS, he brings ZERO to the game. He hasn't worked with the bromance, surprise, surprise, and dude, he has become just as terrible as everyone else in the top six. After firing LAVIOLETTE, these two are the first ones I'd ship out. Put a fucking cone in their spots. They're goddamn $4 million in dead cap space.

Lardass everybody include DD drury?….”There’s got to be more from our team in general. From the players mentioned, from myself, from everybody. ” …. Start with yourself and your assistants.

OH...and I don't know if y'all caught this mystifying exchange between Al and Joe...went a little bit like this: 'amazingly, the Rangers haven't had a powerplay in over four periods. Why do you think that is Joe?' And then cue Dickaletti stammer for some stupid response...well, friends, let me tell you WHY that is. 1. If you don't possess the puck you're not likely to draw a penalty; and building on that thought, 2. if you don't possess the puck and you're not playing hard, you're not likely to draw a penalty. BUT...most of all? Where do a lot, if not MOST penalties get drawn? If you said high-danger scoring areas, pat yourself on the back. And that leads me to 3. They're not drawing penalties because they're absolutely NOT playing in the high-danger areas. And I mean no where near them. I can count on one hand the number of times I saw guys going to the slot or parking by the crease. And don't give me this crap about KREIDER parking his fat lazy ass their on the powerplay. The Rangers aren't playing around the net. At all. They're not parking in the slot. At all. All of their play is in the outside of the circle and along the side boards. That's it. And you NEVER win hockey games that way. Not unless you have the fucking shooter tutor or a goddamn traffic cone in net instead of Jussi SOROS. It's pure madness, and this is shit that ANY coach could see, much less a guy with a cup ring and several trips to the finals. And let me tell you: If I were LAVIOLETTE? I would be LOSING MY SHIT on the bench. This fucking guy is going through the motions. And his team is following him. My guess is he already knows he's done once the holidays are over.

Rangers are in a bind. I suspect the reason LAVIOLETTE is still here has more to do with the holidays and less to do with them keeping him aboard. I have ZERO clue how a team that is poised to dip below .500 and is officially out of playoff contention right now can keep its coach. Again. Hockey 101. If you need to make a change and you're not ready to blow up your roster, then the coach is your only move. But that's even before watching this team. Look, the Rangers are absolutely FAILING Hockey 101. Guys(and gals), take a second to watch them against the Stars, or if you stupidly recorded last night's game, against the hapless Preds...and let's level-set here: the Preds are a TERRIBLE team, that is without half its D...Several things are very clear. First is that the Rangers aren't sending anyone to the net. At all. Ever. Zone entries are the same goddamn thing every time: One guy carrying the puck and two others basically trailing him listlessly...THE MOST EFFECTIVE LINE is the fourth line. Why?! BECAUSE THEY DUMP AND CHASE. Again. Right out of Hockey 101. If you can't get anything going, dump and chase. Why? Because it gets your legs moving. It gets you battling for the puck around the board. And most of all? IT GETS YOU GOING TO THE NET. The top nine aren't doing this at all. BERARD and CUYLLE do it occasionally. KAKKO too. The rest? It's all stick handling and looking for the pass...Next? Look where they're shooting. OMG. Jussi SOROS didn't have to wash his jersey after last night's game, because he barely broke a sweat. Half their shots seemed like they were from the top of the circle on the entry. Looks like this: Guy enters the zone. He's got three players in front of him and NONE of his teammates...he takes a shot, it goes wide, opposition breaks out. And that's the BEST CASE SCENARIO. Because in other games? This abject stupidity leads to turnover-oddman-rush-goal. Look, these are EASILY correctable things, because they're elements of the game every NHLer has been practicing since he first strapped on skates. But yet LAVIOLETTE doesn't do shit. Just watches the same nonsense over and over and over again.

Semi-interesting read: https://bluelinestation.com/who-could-replace-chris-drury-top-candidates-who-could-become-the-new-york-rangers-next-gm-01jfbxpxb8gs

What a mess that's getting messier. Dallas will stomp them Friday. Why Dolans hasn't done anything is a head scratcher. Surely he's reached out to Sather for advice? It seems pretty obvious this regime is incapable of stopping the free fall so how low will it go before he reacts?

Hospo - see, I didn’t get that at all from RUPP. That, to me, as a scathing indictment of LAVIOLETTE. Sounds to me like he’s really singling out the coach, and also saying that he’s not addressing the BS caused by DRURY, and whatever he’s doing as GM.

Is this Avery stuff even remotely true ? Do I need to put my phone down ??? Can you imagine him working the phones with other GM's ? : Look you C sucker you are spineless just like the way you played. Give me a second rounder". Crazy part is that he is proably just as qualified as Drury is at this point.

Rupp just repeating what has been said here for awhile but glad he said it instead of being and ass kisser like Weekes...And though selfish, this Ranger player hate for Drury has to be sooooo strong (or an easy excuse) for not wanting to fight for each other in spite of scumbag Drury

TDCHI - Been saying for awhile, the only tradeable players on the Rangers right now are players you shouldn't trade (Kakkao, MIller) and that teeams will want to rob the Rangers and their woefully incompetent GM blind..Changing the coach has to be done but it MAY only stop part of the bleeding....Figuring out/Fixing the entire mess Drury has creted with the players and that the players have selfishly let get out of control is another story

Sorry, wrong link..... These are Rupp's comments on the state of the NYR's..... "Stanley Cup champion blasts Rangers coaches, management for ‘bull—- surrounding the team’".....https://www.foreverblueshirts.com/new-york-rangers-news/mike-rupp-blasts-coaches-management/

Mike Rupp's thoughts on the state of the NYR's.... https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/game-day/rangers-convey-mixed-messages-following-loss-to-predators

I’ll say this: I don’t think LAVIOLETTE getting canned is going to suddenly save the season…but at this point, you’ve got to do something. This is more than just a funk. This is more than a couple injuries. This is total collapse. And Rhet0ric is 100 percent correct: if you think the Rangers are getting ANYTHING of value for their players right now, you’re not reading the room. They will get shit for them. And then they will lose more. And then they will have a draft with only one pick in the first four rounds. Rock, meet hard place…so as they say…you have to start with what you CAN change without making things worse…and that’s firing the coach.

Hospo it appears the posting is now gone about laviolett getting canned..must have been BS....Dam it!!!

we don't agree on a lot, but spot on bout that and what I was trying to get at also....Hopefully somebody has grabbed Dolan's ear..

The biggest mistake Dolan made was making Drury President as well as GM. You now have no one in this organization that knows hockey well enough that can advise Dolan what the problems are and who we should hire to replace Drury. That's a scary prospect in itself. The only reason I don't believe the Spittin' Chiclets report on Sean Avery is that I couldn't imagine Glen Sather ever signing off on him.

Big Country gone? Peca????Good..But the real mess is DRURY..But Dolan doesn't know his ass from his elbow baout hockey..so maybe that's where Avery, Mess and Sather come in as a three headed Head of Hockey Opertions (HoHos!!) to pick the new GM????..I honstly have never seen a team quit on it's GM before..too much smoke for there not to be a little fire..and his brutal moves speak for themselves

Post reporting laviolett will be let go... Some good news I sure if it's true or not

Hospo I agree about berard he is ok nothing special.....buzzz saw my ass ...I said this before but what do I know .he has decent speed goes to the net .. too small

Rhet…Agreed…I would not let Drury hire another coach…The new GM would be doing that…Drury will go at some point…

At this point, I would fire Laviolette and put one of the assistants in charge as Interim Head Coach. I don't know what good bringing in a new head coach with a new system would do for this team right now..... In regard. to TRADES: we're going to be selling players for pennies on the dollar.

Berard hustles..but he sure isn't the buzz saw that everybody told me about..too small for any real impact buthe ag least trys...we need somebody that hits and hurts....like Trouba...Love the way the leadership has stepped up since the Deal...ANother Fine Mess Drury!..OTOH, Maybe the leaders are leading the mutiny???

I had the Preds broadcast, they were pretty much laughing at the Rangers, I think we had 2 guys trying hard tonight, Culyee and Shesty. Didn't really see much of Berrard between drinks, he may have been trying hard. Fuck u Dolan, Fuck u Dreary and fuck u Lardass.

VCP - I'm just the messenger! It should be a joke..but, given this year, it could be serious!!!

PJ - I was a one man wrecking crew of Laviolette last summer and I ate my crow come May/JUne..The team played welll and played like a team all freking year...but looking at this season aand one mis-step and poor ice time managemnt acfter naother, it's like night and stay..Still, you are hitting on whata i have been blming for a long time..Drury's non stop run of incompetence for the NHL team over the lst two years..and then topped with dropping three bombs in the locker room...Both need to go NOW..Rangers will never be relevant until they both are gone

While I agree Laviolette should go he was getting quite a bit of praise last year and we were the top team regular season and two games from Cup finals…He was given crap at the deadline by Drury….His lack of adjustments this year is baffling but at this point I am not sure anything would work with this team…

Who gets the Broadway hat tongiht? somebody should go into the locker roon, stop all the partying nd bromancing and find out!! Laviolette should have been gone Monday..Drury just wnats it to look worse and worse on the coach for hisself preservation...but he is responsible for most of this

VTRanger - Lviolette told the reporter between periods that he knows he hasn't devalued Kakkao enogh and, by god, it's the one thing he wants to complete before getting canned....

I wasn’t able to watch the game. How did Kakko end up with the fewest minutes on the team? Was he benched in game?

Ya know, Mark Messier hqs been pretty silent about this Giant soap opera.....maybe waiting to take over???

The players, somehow, carried Laviolette lst year...He has been an incompetent NHL coach since 2018...The game has long passed him and his methods by

Gotta appreciate the comical moments... 3 Rangers knock each other down on the 6-5 trying to keep the puck in ... u gotta laugh at this stuff

What is a Hagens..and a Schafer? I'll take Schlitz or Ballatine or Rhinegold myself!

RF4L, that’s because it worked so well last 30+ times before. To Me, biggest issue with Lavi is that he only knows how to coach is to really on his vets. Old time mentality and unfortunately, it is so dated that Lavi has no idea how to relate to his younger players. Similar to Gallant, Lavi is coaching every game like this is a game 7. Lavi had no idea how to coach in this young man NHL, where what had worked 20 years ago, is not working now. Thus is why Lavi can’t adjust since he has no idea how. In the old hockey, coaches really and expected that vets would figure it out. You needs coach that could work with both kids and vets. This old fool is too stubborn to learn new tricks….

BOB - I posted that earlier today from some blogger by the name of Steve Dangle...True or not, it just shows how far gone this team is..The head of the fucking ish needs to be cut off..BOTH DRURY and LAVIOLETTE..

Only 2 GA's, I can live with that. Kreider & Zbad on different lines at Even Strength, that's a good start.

The Joel Quinville era with the NY Rangers......starting in 5....4....3....2....

PJ - Agreed. EDSTROM is a minor problem..I just want him or anybody to fucking hit and hurt somebody...There should be punches flying in that locker room tonight

Wow Reilly Smith showing everyone he does not give a shit, so neither will I. No trade can resurrect this team. When do the Mets start

That said..this is so far beyond blaming our own persoanal whipping boys...This is a team and players that have quit...on their coach and themselves..on each other and are trying to lose..and giving a Giant Go Fuck Yourself to the most incompetent GM in the NHL....ANd not a single player seems to be against it....You can't recover from this

Another bad effort, not as bad as the last few. But Nashville sucks. Mike Ruppmhas a very interesting rant on X and YouTube. Word is they had a team meeting and a bunch of them bitched about Drury. Kreider whined about Trouba getting traded.

You can’t keep the coach. Just can’t. Even if you don’t think it’s his fault, you gotta can him. It’s the only easy shakeup here…now if it was me? I’d say head on out now, Peter. We’ll send you your shit. Fire this guy. Now.

Agree Edstrom is a zero but far from our biggest problem…Laviolette will be gone before Friday in my opinion…

It's official. From President's Trophy to the worst team in hockey, with little roster changes. And they said it couldn't be done!

And I m so fucking sick of EDSTROM too..The biggest plaayer on the ice and does jack shit

PJ, you are right, bud. I only post about ZShit. You know it. Just like I solely blamed ZShit for that goal against.

The plyers , Laviolette and Drury are a disgrace to the Ranger disgrace..a total disgrace...not a single ounce of pride, anger..It's like I'm watching Bill Berg, Mike Keqane, Valerie Kamansky, Jeff Toms...Can it get worse than this? It can't right..

If Z is on the ice for a goal he is solely responsible….This is true if you are Andrei as he doesn’t post unless it is about Z or Kreider…Pathetic….

I guess you expect professionalism from Reilly Smith. There has been more effort tonight. But crap execution.

The PREDS were the worst team in the NHL..How could the GM not fire the Coach after this> How could an owner or Staher not fire the GM after this? How DRURY has burnt this to the ground is mind boggling...How the coach is unable to get one player to play better is staggering? How the players as a collective don't give a Flying fuck is just unfuckingbelievable...

Maybe give Shaun Avery a chance , can’t be any worse than the clown that’s there now

Playing the worst team in the league, and getting outplayed, outworked and this is not even a bottom yet. Here comes Dallas..

Time to stop watching…. This team is pathetic from the top down…. The fact that they are sitting on their hands and not making any changes tells everything you need to know about the ownership of the team. What a f…. embarrassment.

CNP - Well, it's serious in that I read it elsewhwere.. but how fitting would that be for this Circus??

Another great play by Reily SMith!!! You the Man Drury!...Great Structure Fat COuntry!!!

Hospo I think you’re being serious with that report , could you imagine Avery as GM ?

OK, Krieder, enough..He is either A) Hurt..B) Quitting .or C) Doesn't Give a Shit and wants the Coach and GM fired......ANd I like Krieder..this is so sad......ANDREI - That AVery things was for grins..

Guess Dolan have not learned from Thomas Knicks disaster. Only took 15 years for Thomas to gently go into night. Probably the worst period in Knicks history, but hey, players feelings will be hurt under Avery. God helps us. Nothing better then no experience mentality unstable clown as a GM and no experience, self-centered Messier. What possible can go wrong. Might need to start following another team, if this dream team will take over….

OK..Need something to laugh about..."UPDATE: TNT NHL broadcaster Paul Bissonnette is reporting that former New York Rangers forward Sean Avery is expected to meet with Rangers owner James Dolan this week "to talk about the state of the New York Rangers." Bissonnette reports that Dolan could fire GM Chris Drury and hire Avery for the position. From Bissonnette: "I'm also hearing rumblings that Sean Avery is going over to NYC to talk about the state of the New York Rangers. There is a crazy element to James Dolan that might get rid of Drury and hire Sean Avery as the next general manager." Bissonnette would go on to say that Avery is "flying to New York to speak with James Dolan to talk specifically about the state of the team."

Waxsn't a bad kill..And Ruwhedel the squirrel found a nut with a good play...That's as complimentary as I can get with this bunch

Hospo, there is one down in Hartford, but Lavi rather play Feeses or JBlow, case he trusts them more. You know what could spark the team, sit down both loverboys and play Rempe. This team will get a rude awakening in Dallas. That upcoming game has a touchdown against written all over it.

This team needs ALOT right now..but it needs a player that just hits and hits and hurts..The excitement level is ZERO

Looking forward to the end of the Ranger Smith era. Another shitbox acquisition by Chris Dreary.

Smart totally necessary by the smart vet....Give me Brendqn Smith any day over his pue brother

Kappo needs to make quicker decisions. That turn over was bad. No need for that. Dump the puck behind the net and go retrieve it.

PJ - No life..No Pulse..No ANger..Drop the gloves for fucks sake..who cares if you get your ass kicked...Just do womething...Totl reflection of the shit Drury and Laviolette have created...Nobody can rise above..nobody

RF4L, I know math is hard, but the fun part about math is that it’s not your or my calculations. Numbers are what numbers are. You want to talk about it’s not ideal to trade 2nd rounders, sure. Trading those year to year hurt. But even 2nd rounders, only 30% make it, and that number varies depending on the draft. 3rd rounders are about 15%. So that’d about 5 players drafted in the 3rd round, will play 200 games in NHL. Again, we are not talking about stars in NHL, it’s 200 games…

Those of you thst complain about panarin this is how effective they are wothout him. This team has a hard time scoring without him

Andrei…The fact you mentioned neither of the D on that play says it all…You post only to criticize Z and Kreider and rip this team whether they win or not…Every year you predict doom for them….I mean why bother…

So, let me get this straight, Ruwhedel and the Finnish Flop start the period? Maybe they should bench SCHNEIDER too

Andrei. Totally disagree. Cite all the stats you want but you're wrong. Totally. Gone are a 2nd 4th and 5th. Cuylle is a 2nd Igor a 4th and Garand a 5th.

And honestly, i just want to watch CUYLLE every shift. evderything else is almost unwatcable....just like This "Joker" movie I tried to watch earlier

I'm sorry, this is painfull and bleak..I can cope by ripping this team when i know they are good..but when they are decomposing from the head down it takes the fun away...By the way, EDSTOM blows..

What can you do ... I did not catch the #..who was the Ranger player wide open in the slot who fell down when the puck was passed to him.. you just have to laugh ....

Andrei….You or anyone else blaming that goal on Z is wrong…Bad pinch created that rush and four Rangers back took nobody…The fact that Z wasn’t one of those four does not make him responsible…

PJ, oh no. Hank and Vali just called ZShit out. Nice try, bud. They must also have ZShit syndrome, right?

Rf4l, from 4-7th rounds, only about 5% of players will play 200+ games in NHL. Thats about 4 players in total. That’s in a decent draft. 2025 is a bad draft, so chances are, not a single player drafted late will even lace them up for the NHL . So no, loosing those picks is not a big deal at all.

RF: you jealous that Jim Dolan's dad created a Billion Dollar Company and Jimmy benefitted? Certainly reads that way over the years. Jimmy Dolan donated the access to MSG 5-8 weeks after 9/11 to NYC to host the Concert for America lead by The Who. In my world that carries a lot of weight. I do wish he held his managers more accountable and on shorter leashes.

Mancini and Robertson are worse than this?…Is Ruywedal and this Finnish goof our future?

Anyone care to explain why ZShit was the last player coming back on that 1st goal? I get blaming defenders, but defence is a job for all 5 players.

Think about this. There are 7 rounds in a draft. Idiot Dreary gave up almost 50% of an entire draft to acquire Smith and crud.

Is there any team in the NHL that has a smaller, weaker and meeker defense then what the Raangers are thrwoing out now?..Hell bring back Ben Harpur

An AHl defense of Ruwhedel the Rotten and some worthless Finish Fuck? Good job Dipshit Drury and Fat COuntry..Sorry , the stench is so overpowering that was the first time i was moved to post by this dreck

Chytil’s biggest draw back is that he doesn’t win faceoffs…his line rarely gets an offensive zone win and that hurts their ability to dominate the zone. Lav should try Cuylle-Trochek-Lafrenière

A 2nd and 5th for Reilly Smith. Geesh. CRud for a 4th. Who knew Kyle Dubious is a shrewd trader.

Just to be clear, I didn't say Brooks worked for Dreary. MSG is a great deal more than Dreary. And a nest of vipers.

Hospo…I believe Berard and Cuylle for sure have stepped up…They bring it every shift…Chytil has been inconsistent and Laff has been flat out poor…

NCRanger: Who needs a Top 10 Pick in a 'meh of a draft' and where we choose players like LIAS, KRAPPERHEAD, and mis-use a guy like KaKKo? IN this draft year, it may be better to trade our #1 away for a pair of 2nd round picks.

Wild - forget KK. Go say that to Zbad, Kreids, Smith, Fox. The young guys are not the issue here, lol. If anyone thinks the effort level of the youngins isn’t better than the fat cat vets, I would have to seriously discredit your hickey acumen. We’re not watching the same team. Btw, we’re 14th for draft lottery. No expect to be too 10 by end of January and depending on if the weasel Drury or Lavy is still here by then, I can only hope a major sell off puts us in the top 5. The NYR are the definition of team dysfunction from ownership, management down to coaching and vets. Blow it baby. You can’t hide now Drury. The verdict is in and everyone knows it….you suck

From the president trophy team to this mess is not an easy task. It takes effort by management to rip the hearts out of a team. And they think they are innocent of participating in the disaster. Place your bets on tonight’s game you have an hour.

Ottawa seeking top 4 dman. Send them Miller. Get Josh Norris. DO IT DRURY YOU PRICKJOB

This mess hasn’t hit bottom yet. DD drury and lardass are making mistakes as fast as they can. They are destroying the team with their nonsense. Grasping at straws

In regard to Vaakanainen: Absolute proof that we will play any defenseman not named Robertson.... Also: we sent down our most physical defender. WTF?

The NYY's finally get Cody Bellinger for minor prospect Cody Poteet. $5 Mil salary sent to the Bronx....Absolute STEAL.

Puck - wow, talk about set up for failure! Keep throwing the Shit agasint the Wall Lavy..!

WC: Welcome back. Re your post at Tue Dec 17 2024 5:45 pm EST could very well describe Chris Kreider, maddeningly frustrating more often than not.

TCHI - Yep, I said that yesterday..so many things we are seeing and hearing are the symptoms of the Drury-Laviolette disease..Trading Kakkao is giving the team an Advil instead of the Chemo it needs

Hits keep coming for kakko. Stuck with Zbad on 3rd line. https://www.reddit.com/r/rangers/s/LDmoswZd7g

ColoradoMark - I don't think anyone has said it outright, but that has been the rumor circulating today. Of course, we don't know what he said. If he's in the game today, then obviously he wasn't too forceful about it...I was thinking today about the Bruins and their ordeal with Jake DeBRUSK. That kid...that team...I can't even TELL you how many times I heard that he was on the block and had requested trades...At least a dozen times...Of course, he's now on the Canucks...so there's that...but the point being, players get pissed and ask for things...and who knows? Maybe they say OK that's it...or maybe they say this is a symptom of the problem...which, quite frankly, I think it is. I get this trade request? My first move is to fire LAVIOLETTE.

Just a quick reminder that KAKKO had two significant injuries...one that cost him half a season and another that cost him a quarter. Oh and another shortened 16 games by the pandemic...and another cut in half by the pandemic...I think there were some overly optimistic thoughts about the kid, but up until now? He's been the very definition of patient and has BARELY gotten a sniff at the top six. I can count on one hand the number of times he did. LAFRENIERE was the same way, but scored the luck of the draw landing with TROCHECK and PANARIN...which, incidentally, might not have even happened had it not been for CHYTIL getting knocked out last season...So before throwing the kid to the wolves, maybe just ponder some of the hardship he's faced...I won't even get into the lunacy of QUINN and GALLANT...

OH great, now we play the schlub we got from Anaheim for the one D-man that can throw a punch! :) ...I expect the equally reeling NASHVILLE to come out wityh intent to hit, forecheck and hit everything in sight..and i hope they do big time to see the reaction.........As for KAKKAO, I think this has been his best year..turning into a complete player when he was with the kid line and had great chemisty with CUYLLE....Also has turned into a VERY GOOD passer..Unfortunately, he still doesn't attack the net enough..and knowing he is fat Country's red headed step kid doesn't help...But, he WIll learn, just likely not with the Rangers...You do not give up on this kid....Don't mind his comments one bit...he just wants to play and play and be treated fair..I worry mor about how the other kids see this treatment and The comments i worry about are the ones coming from Laviolette and the milk toast vets..

CNParda- Are you just guessing KK has officially asked for a trade?I didn't see that anywhere?

I don’t want the band o quitters to get the coach fired, but benching Kakko Is a ding joke. His stats are better than the butthurt boyfriends combined and he, Laf and Chytl have taken a back seat with 3 different coaches that have retarded their growth. When the 2 kids (berard and Cuyle)scored to make it 3-2 last game and Lavi put the Mika, Kreider out for the final 2 minutes with the goalie pulled I threw up in my mouth. Watching this mess is too much. They’ll trade Kakko to somewhere where he’ll be top 6 and blossom and we’ll be stuck with the untradeable fat cats for years.

And quite honestly. If I could talk to Kakko, I would say “it’s nice that you don’t hold back with what you are feeling, but we will all know it’s bullshit if you don’t go out there tonight, show some emotion, some and some drive. Got it eh net hard with the puck, when someone hacks at you go sit a couple minutes for hacking them back jsut as hard or harder, when a play misses and it was close smash your stick, use your size and drop the hammer on someone in the corner, to hell with the puck…show some life or shut up and enjoy the stands” because if this scratching doesn’t make him angry and he doesn’t bring emotion to the ice…then he is not long for this team and maybe not the NHL. And before someone says he doesn’t have that in him…everyone has that in them, they just have to let it out.

Vince m “Is Laviolette concerned about his own job security? "Those are things that I can't control. I've been in this a long time. There's always those conversations wherever you go, especially if you've been in it for a long time. My real concern – the main concern – is getting a win tonight, getting back on track, getting back into the playoff race. Those are the things that we need to control and stay focused on."

“NEWS: The New York Rangers have activated D Urho Vaakanainen (upper-body) from Injured Reserve. Additionally, the Rangers have assigned D Connor Mackey to Hartford (AHL).”

Rhet: I said that earlier to someone on X, they were bitching about how he has been treated then said something about how can the team be ok with such a disconnect between the coaches and young players. And I am like, Cuylle, Schneider, Laf, Berard, Edstrom, Mancini, Jones, Rempe…even Chytil…and there is exactly one young player on the team who has been around a bit who has not repo fed to coaching and has been sat out by more than one and it seems whenever they want to give the team a jump. Thats Kakko. No other player is sat out over and over saves Jones. And Jones was out because of his obvious defensive flaws (man of which he has greatly improved on) so at what point do you stop saying it’s the coaches, when you need to list off 3 coaches in order to keep a story going…it’s pretty obvious that it’s not the coaches.

Been a long time since I considered Kakko untouchable. He wouldn’t hurt to trade for something that better fulfill things now. Maybe start with a big defensive defenseman. That is top need this second

Punch: Well I won’t take that second part with much confidence since I know the first part is wrong. I know through someone who k owes Drury personally that Christ Drury wouldn’t piss on Larry Brooks if he was on fire. So I don’t think he is using Brooks for anything. If he is, it’s in a way that leaves Larry not looking great. And that has happened before. That last part? I don’t have any reason to think he is close and loved, but that’s not his job, but he is respected for the most part. Yes players got upset by HOW Goodrow was handled but not what was done. There are a lot of stories out there about Drury and players getting at each their, and know through the same person that Drury prefers outsiders think that’s the case. He isn’t over his head, he is playing the game…and he has played you like a fiddle.

Brooks works for the Rangers' front office. If that hasn't dawned on anyone, well, I have no suggestions. But if it's in Brooks' column, it's been approved through back channels. I would play KK tonight, see if he comes out swinging, and if so let LAV take credit. There is no downside. He wakes up and imroves his value to the Rangers as a player or trade bait, and if he sulks aimlessly, he's not the right guy. But as I've been saying for a long time, Drury relationship with the team is atrocious on its bes day. The guy is in so far over his head he can't see the surface. Get him gone.

In regard to KAKKO: I don't know if I agree about his treatment here. This is his sixth season in the NHL. He's also had plenty of time in the top six(with multiple tries on each line) and he couldn't sustain the effort there to win a spot. Think about what Lafreniere did in less time there.... Now, this season he's fallen in the depth chart behind CUYLLE. At some point, you have to look in the mirror.

The crazy part about it all...is if there are two lines that have been good soldiers all season long...and really, with few exceptions, have done EXACTLY what they've been asked to do...it's third and fourth line. Even when CHYTIL went down, they did what they had to do. Benching VESEY? And KAKKO? BERARD? Hell, even Jonny BRODZINSKI? These AIN'T the guys causing issues. Did I also see Zac JONES mentioned?! Man, the soldiers are fighting the fight. They AIN'T the ones bringing the ship down...Let's just take a peak, shall we? Obviously folks here have been all over Z's jock...and KREIDER too...but man...Look at how poorly Vince TROCHECK has done to date: 18 points in 30 games and a -5 for a guy who is averaging almost 22 minutes a night...LAFRENIERE is giving Z a run for his money in the minus territory and PANARIN, who has been on the ice for the most goals for on the team is STILL sporting a -6. That is telling. Adam FOX, the guy coming off 11, 12, and 17-goal seasons has ONE goal. An empty netter. And while we're hear, let's get into the 11 million dollar man and his CAREER WORST save percentage. CAREER WORST goals against. And unless this team does a full 180, it's strongly looking like his three consecutive years of 30-plus wins will be coming to an end...and while I don't feel right piling up on SMITTY Jr., let's call a spade a spade: The dude is a third liner on most teams. And he's playing in the team's top six. I would put ANYONE from the bottom six in his spot at this point, even though he personally looks like he has more juice than the other five in the top six...so yeah. Deal KAKKO. Waive VESEY. That'll show them. Kill the guy who are actually playing alright.

Kreider for Frederic?…That is hilarious…Kakko for Greenway would be pure insanity…I disagree that Kakko was smart in questioning his benching…Especially if his goal is to get out…Kakko’s problem is expectations…He has played well this year but his offense is still not close to expectations….But for a team that can’t play D to save its life benching is bizarre to say the least… Z is weeks overdue for a multi game benching…

Mf have you been giving lb your traderator information? Did you start the Tkachuk rumor by telling him?

TD - the Chytil injury was absolutely the catalyst for this funk…they were already upset by rumors and then when Chytil got hurt, it’s almost like they went into a depression

It'd not just the lack of top 6 ice time for KK's frustration....It's also what his upcoming contract value is going to be worth. I'd be looking to prove myself somewhere else to get what I think I'm worth!

HOSPO - you are 100% spot on hoping that Laf, Chytil, Cuylle, Berard and any other young guys STEP UP! If they’re smart, they see the opportunity to create a new dynamic where they are EQUAL with the usual suspects who have let this team down time and time again with their disappearing acts. This is their chance to become LEADERS and if that means using their voices LOUDLY in the locker room instead of deferring to Mr. Sensitive, Mr. Navel Gazer and Mr.Force 2 Trades, then so be it. Panarin is too goofy & unserious to be a verbal leader. Those young guys should get together and say,”LET’S DO THIS!” They don’t need Kreider or Zibanejad or Panarin to be successful…play hard, play simple, play North-South

It’s is absolutely over for Kaapo Kakko being a NY Ranger…and Laviolette put the final nail in the coffin. They shouldn’t have even put him in the lineup tonight. This has been building through 3 coaches and the kid has been a good soldier but I applaud him for telling the fucking truth, “I think it's just easy to pick a young guy and boot him out. That's how I feel, to be honest." I’ve laid off of Laviolette for the most part but benching Kakko was unjustified and STUPID! The only way Kakko stays is Laviolette goes and I doubt that’s gonna happen. What a cluster fuck! Does Laviolette think he’s gonna now come out gang busters and show everyone a spark? Whatever spark was there has been EXTINGUISHED and it’s a shame. These fucking prehistoric, dinosaur coaches are all cut from the same cloth apparently…kiss the vets’ asses no matter how much they’re fucking up while young guys get made examples of!

Somewhere: Jimmy Vesey is thinking, "Bitch, I've sat more games than you and I have said one word."

TD: I get hung up on my POV's, but I see this current wish-list as attainable with what we have to offer without cutting too deep. Thoughts going into this included: bringing in an additional RHS forward, age, grit, depth to the 4th line in OLIVIER / Carrick / ??REMPE?? Possibility of CHYTIL/KUNIN to be shifted to the Wing in place of SMITH.

Hospo, then he needs to be examined by the team physicians and "if so" place on the LTIR. Let him go pout in a suit.

mf - it's deck chairs on the titanic. The Rangers don't have a personnel issue as much as they have an approach issue. All the guys you listed are solid grinders. KUNIN and SAMUELSSON would help the most, IMO...OLIVIER not so much, but who knows...Still, you need to talk about WHO you're trading for them...and WHO they're replacing in the lineup. KAKKO appears to be on his way out...but if you have eight players getting 70 percent of the ice and all they're doing is this wildly erratic style of overpassing, blowing their coverage and and not putting forth an ounce of D? Yeah. Same you're gonna get the same goddamn result.

MF - It doesn't matter if you or i are buying it, he ANNOUCED it to the entire NHL....Bitching fans like you or me it doesn't matter..A GM spending another 12 mill on the guy who just said his back is fucked up is not a risk I would take very lightly

Hospo: I'm not buying Kreider's back-aches one bit, it's just as likely this was his way of retaliation "IF" he was asked for his 15 No-Trade List "AND" the news of such was leaked out. (I don't recall Adam Graves ever complaining about his back) Phuck Kreider, if we need to eat up to $1.5mill per for the remainder of his contract, so be it, there are teams that'll be knocking on our door, beginning with Boston. I say Boston because of the proximity and Kreider's younger days. So we'd be stuck with Meek-ahh? Thats fine, he's in a slump, he's extremely talented when on, and we'll build a line around him.... Kreider's got to go with or without Meak-Ahh. Smith has to go, Jones has to go. I'd part with Berard if it means getting the right return. - I'll reduce my wish-list for easiest to obtain players: CBJ: (W-RHS)OLIVIER (Wallsters please critique him as a target yay/nay) SJS: (C-RHS) KUNIN, "AND a LHS'Dman, of which "IMO" we should try to obtain BUFF'S SAMUELSON even if it means living or dying with Connor-Mackey or in addition to acquiring another LHD if it means parting with LINDGREN (who might be willing to re-up here at a team friendly dollar amount & term....

RF4L - Larry Brooks? Saying something stupid?! NO. GET OUT. Actually, him and LAVIOLETTE aren't all that different. Two throwbacks. Guys who lack an understanding of how and how much the sport has evolved over the past 20 years. LAVIOLETTE ain't as bad as the dotard, but that's also not saying much.

The only way Znob gets moved, assuming he actually agrees to waive his NMC, is if Dreary Drury eats half his salary.

Hospo: Exactly - hence my pressure comment. Subtle pressure but it's there without a doubt. Those dressing room wedges are growing in size.

MF - No team in their right mind would terade for Meeks the way his game and effort has gone into the tanke...ditto for Kreider and his self advertised bad back and his own bad effort....Only kids will be trade...Kakkao..maybe Miller if healthy..Hope i'm wrong

And do you think the other kids aren't noticing how KAKKAO is being treated and aren't in his corner after how well he has played this season (ell, exccept for 2 missed back checks (compared to 30 for LAFFY and Panarina and Trocheck)?..Let's see if Dipshit Dickweed Drury and Laviolette can fuck this up even more

Sure hope Drury has asked Kreider's agent for the 15 Team No-Trade list because it should be critical priority in approaching any trades to be made. Next up, is a chat with Meak-ahh to inquire whether he'd accept a trade and to which teams, and whether it was contingent on being the same destination as Kreider. If he won't accept to be traded, I move for trading Kreider alone or in a package. I would not trade KAKKO.

VtRanger - haha yep, wouldn't surprise me at all if we tune in tonight to see KAKKO is a healthy scratch 'for the purpose of roster management' or whatever BS they used with TROUBA. The end is nigh...

Hey LB, your proposed KK for Greenaway trade is dumb. Just dumb. If the latter was 5 years younger and not headed for UFAgency, then yeah. But that's not the case. DUMB

Dude, KAKKO's comments aren't going to pressure anyone. As justified as they are, they're just going to piss people off and accelerate his departure from New York, which I'm sure, at this point, is his goal. To be on the verge of 24 with his talent and what he's brought to each game...and not even get a sniff at the top six? It's ridiculous. But the same time? Second-guessing your coach ain't ever a good way to go...But it's clear, there's a problem behind the bench and if you don't see it, you're not looking hard enough. In fact, you're not looking at all.

Good for Kakko. It's not like he's a rookie who is supposed to keep his shut. He's been unfairly treated for a couple of years now. Speak truth to incompetence. Nice to see a Ranger publicly stand up for himself. Too bad his display of much needed courage and confidence will result in him being shipped out for peanuts.

RF4L - As i posted yester day on that fresh legs fiasco and the result of that great move agasint St. Louis..Big Country sure does have his fat freaking fingers on the pulse of his team! NOT......Keep fiddling Nero Drury!........And part of me wants to see this team destroyed tonight to see it sink even further beacus of Drury and Laviolette, but I just can't ..Just hoping Cuylle, Kakkao, Laffy, Chytl, Berard and a few other do enough to win the game

Limbo: Surrounded by a tire fire! LOL. Maybe Lardiolette has nudes of Dreary Drury!

This is just some batshit crazy stuff. real or imagined...and the only ones to blame for letting it go so far down the shitter are Drury and Drury and Fat Country....I hope that Bizarre Dangle Podcast is accurate.....And now Bozo Brooks has joined Staple face in championing the trade of the number 2 over all Kakkao (who wasd kickinf ass just 3 weeks ago) for some physiocally inconsistent half-assed mentally deficient Mamaluke named Greenway? This shit is priceless..and Fuck Laviolette what he has done to KAKKAO....(and look at somne of the other kids also)...And I'm no Kid Monger!!

I just saw LAV’s reaction that RF4L quoted. Yeesh. What a disaster. It’s a clown show inside a dumpster fire. What’s next, REMPE posts nudies of TROUBS, lol? Everyone has lost their damn minds. If I own that team, I’m calling DRURY and saying: ok - before you all were just embarrassing yourselves, now you’re embarrassing me. Either do something now…or I will.

And finally, another reason I like KK's reaction is it's going to put more pressure on Lardiolette and Drury. KK isn't wrong in what he's saying, even if doing so to the press might not be the wisest decision. Other teammates are certainly bound to agree, albeit privately vs to the press, and that adds pressure.

BTW, when KK was pressboxed against the Blues, Lardiolette said it was to get fresh legs in the lineup. LOL. OK but the old legs should have been the choice, that being Z or K.

Also, when KK was asked if he is going to ask the coaching staff what he can do, he responded: "I'm not going to do that."

KK BTW with a +10 is 2nd on the team in that category. At the bottom is Znob with a -15 and Lafrenbust with a -12.

More on KK's reaction - he said this: "“I know you got to do something as a coach when you’re losing games, but I think it’s just easy to pick a young guy and boot him out. That’s how I feel, to be honest. I’m not too happy, I can say that. Haven’t been on the ice too much when [opponents] score a goal. I have not been the worst guy, but that was me out of the lineup.”

rf4L: I have also seen McMichaels production explode after Lav was fired. Nice to have young studs being studs in the NHL not 8 years after staring but rather 2nd year in. Like Hughes also. Lav is so old school. Rangers just going thru the motions, not wanting to be the one making the mistakes. Absolutely no chemistry. Its like they are all playing for a new team with players they never played with before.

Jerry - Well, coaches are hired to be fired. So, it was always gonna end like that eventually. I would say, some young guys like LAF and the 3rd line, have all taken solid steps during LAV’s tenure. Maybe despite the coach, but steps nonetheless.

TD: I suspect that's because the Rangers rightly or wrongly are committed to keeping Laf on the right side.

jerry: Check out how well Connor McMichael has fared since Lardiolette was ousted. His on pace for 35+ goals this year.

Limbo: COuld be. Or it simply might be a player who's fed up. I mean this isn't the first time he's been Lardiolette's (and GG's too I think). Lardiolette was asked by someone in the Ranger media his response to KK's statement that it's easier to scratch a young player vs a veteran. His answer? 'There's been older players who have sat out as well.' Yeah, JBrod, Vesey and Smith. He knows exactly who KK is referring to but provides that snarky answer. What gutless puke this guy is. The sooner he and Dreary Drury are jettisoned the better AFAIC.

Also, if that awful play by TROUBA on BENNETT was his death knell, this may be LARDO’s. ANY reaction has here proves he was either wrong before or wrong now. This was a move that results in the inevitable checkmate a few moves down the line….

Limbo: Same reason the Craps canned Lav. Never gave the young guys any quality playing time/situations on the ice. He lost the team as did Drury.

RF4L - IMO LARDO’s deficiencies are self evident. To me, this call out, by a young player, publicly, is evidence of something much, much different. I think it is more possible evidence that KK’s agent MAY have in fact, asked for a trade. How often do hear players talk like this? Especially players that really never accomplished anything in their pro career? Especially YOUNG players that really never accomplished anything in their pro career? Seems like it very, very rarely happens. Weird. Kinda refreshing. Potentially dangerous. But definitely weird.

For the life of me, I have no idea why KAKKO-CHYTIL-LAFRENIERE hasn't been an option. But what the fuck do I know...

Nevertheless, there's clearly something wrong with the Rangers, and you know what? It ain't friggin' Barclay GOODROW, or, before he was traded, Jacob TROUBA. This team looked SOLID in pre-season. And that's at bare minimum. They utterly steamrolled the Pens in the home openner, and while they had a couple of hiccups here and there over the next month, they weren't playing bad. But the warning signs to me were seeing LAVIOLETTE'S bench management, which got progressively worse, the more they started to struggle...and then what REALLY seemed to get them in a funk was the CHYTIL injury, if I'm being honest. Then there was that game...same night they were rumored to be announcing the SHESTERKIN deal...when they got utterly PASTED. Think it was that game against the Sabres maybe? They haven't been the same team since. LAVIOLETTE and the team BOTH look like they're grasping at straws. And man, you can SEE how they fucking up the very basic fundementals of hockey. Like stupid shit. Getting the puck deep. Clearing the puck off the boards. Fucking breaking out the goddamn puck. Shooting ON net. Going hard TO the net. Blocking shots. Just hockey 101...Is this some diabolic plan to get DRURY fired??! C'mon. Maybe LAVIOLETTE...but GMs typically don't have much convo with the players...And if we're going to blame it all on leaders...I mean, I gotta say there's just no real evidence there either. Again. A team that has gone to the conference finals twice in two years isn't gonna just pack it in because a dude like Barclay GOODROW was put on waivers...What this team...AND ITS COACH...need to do is get back to the basics. Play like it's game one. Do the simple things...Tell you what: BERARD jumped in with both feet against the Blues and started the trend. CUYLLE joined him. Just so happened they started too late in the game...but THAT is the approach they need to take. Simple as that. And if a line isn't taking that approach, they need to take a seat.

JFC31 - Dude, there's so much stupid he-said-she-said when it comes to those charlatans...but that's what gets this shit kicked up, because then you have, say, an old-fuck columnist who puts his ear to it all and then decides...'hey...where there's smoke, there's fire...' And suddenly, it's in print.

Good for KK. I don't blame him at all. More evidence on how the lack of accountability at Lardiolette's hands drives wedges through the room. I realize KK hasn't exactly barnstormed the league and I get the argument that he's been disappointing from the beginning but continually mired in the bottom 6 and being punished when so veteran leaders are arguably playing worse must be beyond frustrating. Another young player being ground into dust by the New York Rangers. Deplorable. Just watch him emerge on whatever team he finally gets traded to because there he'll get top 6 minutes. For fuck's sake at least give him some PK duty - he's had a few tries at it and did well. *SIGH*

Hey Drury, we're associates of 'Marcellas Wallace.' Marcellus Wallace represents all the Ranger Fans. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrgIrWmTeY&t=8s

Rangers lines and D pairs at morning skate in Nashville ?? Who-Gives-A Flying-Fuck

JFC....we needed the United Healthcare kid to visit Dreary before he went to McDonalds

Wow. You go KK. Out of the mouths of babes. Give that kid a letter. Kaapo Kakko: “Haven’t been on the ice too much when [opponents] score a goal… I have not been the worst guy, but that was me out of the lineup.” https://x.com/MollieeWalkerr/status/1869082830350987313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1869082830350987313%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

I swear to God, social media has creatd an industry full of grifters, bullshit artists and liars. The 2 main topics that give loud voices to these con artists are sports & politics. These people don’t even care if their lies are called out…they don’t care if they get exposed as being full of shit….they just keep throwing shit against the virtual social media wall because it gets them clicks. Steve Dingleberry or whatever the fuck his handle is, is one of these grifters. But, let’s say that there’s a chance this is true….that the Rangers players are so mentally & emotionally weak that instead of getting over the loss of Trouba and the floating of Kreider’s name in trade rumors, they decide to POUT and attempt to PURPOSELY PLAY POORLY in order to get Drury fired. If this were true, then for the first time in my life, I’d disconnect myself from this team. I want nothing to do with players who would purposely play like shit because their JOB isn’t satisfying to them….that they’d let fans, most of whom don’t make the money these players make in ONE YEAR in their entire fucking lives, have to spend $300 per ticket to watch them purposely play like shit. These guys feel let down and feel overwhelmed with sadness and anger over the way people they respect are being treated? Trouba makes $8 million a year and his wife is a DOCTOR! Kreider makes $6.75 million a year! Ya know what’s OVERWHELMING in life? Having to choose between medication and feeding your family! Having to live on the street or in a shelter with your family because you were laid off! That’s REAL presssure, that a REAL reason to be angry and resentful and to feel so helpless that you GIVE UP! Millionaires GIVING UP because they’re pissed off that their friends got sent to otger teams or are in danger of being traded..and then we have to watch them wallow in self pity and play like they’re in mourning? Fuck that shit! I don’t think that’s what is happening but I do think these fucking pansies need to get over themselves! Have a good cry and get back to work….put in an honest 60 minutes of 100% effort and GET OVER IT! These guys are blessed and they’re acting like life is so hard.

Rangers lines and D pairs at morning skate in Nashville ?? Cuylle-Chytil-Lafrenière Kreider-Trocheck-Berard Kakko-Zibanejad-Smith Edström-Carrick-Vesey Jones-Fox Lindgren-Schneider Vaakanainen-Ruhwedel Mancini-Mackey

"Larry" When are you going to confirm that the NYR Brass, Coaches, Players are dialed into this Wall? Throw us bone for crying out loud! Your colleagues can do the same as well. Thanks for the consideration.

I've heard a couple of deals tossed around that...well...make the idea of GREENWAY and/or FREDERIC sound dandy...one is the Leafs giving us their equivalent of talented prospect who's been more or less marginalized by the team: Nick ROBERTSON. Him and a sixth rounder and some other B-prospect was the proposal...they other equally silly trade was KAKKO for Arthur KALIYEV straight up...in both instances, the Rangers would be trading a talented puck-possessing forward for floating a-physical wingers. KALIYEV has a hell of a shot and ROBERTSON has his moments...but both would struggle here...I do wonder if the Kings would move TURCOTTE straight up for him...and that's a deal I could get behind. Shit, take SMITTY Jr. and KAKKO, give me TURCOTTE and KALIYEV...I mentioned San Jose a couple days ago. Same group to them for Luke KUNIN and Flip BYSTEDT. Maybe see if you could also get Nico STURM in there too. We could give them the gift of Sam CARRICK.

Jordan GREENWAY is a bit of...well, actually...an enigma. Back when he was in college and skating with the US team, he really looked like he'd be a force in the NHL. But that's just never materialized. He's a big dude and strong. And on top of it all, he's got talent. But he's also injured a lot and despite getting top-nine minutes, he's been a pretty big disappointment. Oh and did I mention he's a pending UFA? Look, I would fully support trading for GREENWAY. But KAKKO for GREENWAY straight up? You'd need to be a diaper-wearing dotard to suggest that kind of deal.

RF: IF you're moving IGOR, we need a Bonafide 1st Center Candidate coming back to us as these are some of, if not the most difficult positions to fill. "Quentin Byfield" types come to mind ......... gene_car: IF you're trading KREIDER, I think that the return needs to be better than Trent Frederic (jmo) https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/f/fredetr01.html

Larry Brooks advocating for a trade of Kakko and floating a Kakko-for-Jordan Greenway swap. Yes, getting equal value for our 2nd overall pick (who has been treated like shit, BTW) will be difficult but that trade ain’t gonna cut it unless maybe a 2nd rounder is included, I am 100% certain that Kakko will blossom somewhere else. What does “blossom” mean for KK? Who knows but I’d say 50-60 pts, puck control beast. Imagine him playing RW with 6’6” Tage Thompson as his center? He’s gonna do better on another team and then all the pricks on X who say he sucks will be clutching their pearls screaming, “WHY DID WE TRADE HIM?” I don’t know what Greeway is like in the locker room but we need a big, fat, cleansing wind to blow into that room & get back this team’s mojo! Say what you Will about Ryan Reeves. but his “SHESTY, RELEASE US!” is the kind of shit this team needs right now more than anything. Is it gonna make us a Cup contender? By itself, no…there is more to it than that. But, hockey players are creatures who depend on EMOTION & CONFIDENCE! Reeevs gave them a rallying cry and THAT is what they need now. Someone who can do that needs to STEP UP or be IMPORTED into that room! Then, we’ll see a spirited team again whose talent will once again appear.

You're not suggesting that the conflicts of interest of a consolidated, corporatized sports media make it impossible to rely on to accurately cover and report on a team, are you? Or that reporters, editors and publishers would stoop to currying favor with team ownership by ignoring their glaringly poor records in order to gain access in writing puff pieces, right? Because a system like that would violate every principle of sports journalism ethics. And that would be wrong.

Flood Dolan with emails it can't hurt jdolan@msg.com.....no one cares about what we say here

The NY media sucks as bad as the Rangers. Today's Post has an "exclusive" article on Sam Rosen". A major fluff piece. Ya, we know he's retiring! How about an article on why the useless GM always hides from the media and is basically a useless piece of shit? Or a piece about how bad Dolan's teams are and have been for the past 30 years? Or how Lardass should be fired due to his mis-guided use of Z and K and others? Or that, according to an ESPN piece, the Rangers have a 7% chance of making the playoffs? Nope, a fluff article about Sam, that's what fans need to see! I laugh when I hear all the time about how much pressure there is to play in NY. The fucking media gives them a free ride, if this shit happened in any city in Canada, then you would see some pressure! It sucks that Ranger beat writers and reporters are scared to insult Dolan's teams or employees.

Meant to add that there is huge pressure on Yzerman to get the Wings into the POs. Having Igor backstopping them would likely accomplish that.

How about Igor to the Wings for Nate Danielson, Sebastin Cossa and the Wings first rounder in 2025? I'll bet Yzerman would be very interested. Spotty netminding has been the Wings biggest issue for the past 2 years and the Wings have cap space for next year. Danielson was a 9th overall pick 2 summers ago and is a 2 way centre with 3rd line/2nd line upside. Cossa is a solid netminding prospect picked 15th overall in 2021. If there's gonna be a mini-teardown, Igor IMO should be shopped due to his pending enormous contract. Just musing here...

Limbo - It's funny you bring up CUYLLE...Because one of the reasons he HAS been playing the way he's playing is KAKKO...and of course, Fil CHYTIL. Those guys are fire together. KAKKO is playing really well this season. That whole line should be skating 17-18 minutes a night. But instead...12 or 13. Anyway, I'm not sure what else he could do to get better minutes other than maybe score more goals...but playing devil's advocate? Look where CUYLLE is in the lineup. Look at the minutes he's getting.

TD: Yeah I realize that's not the best example but hopefully my point was clear...

RF4L - LOL, what DRURY was rumored to have done with KRAVTSOV was a plus in my book! That little fucktard earned an attitude adjustment for fleeing to the KHL whenever something didn't go his way.

If KK demands a trade, he’s gonna get his wish. I wonder if DRURY will pull a SAKIC here. JS held onto DUCHENE for like a year before he agreed to a deal. That year was an absolute disaster for the AVS. But the pick from the losing brought them MAKAR and probably a cup.

If a Kreider for Fredrick (and maybe a 3d) is available get on the phone pronto. Fredrick gives us the sorely needed grit and K Is a positive by subtraction. It opens a whole new set of options.

AOAN: If the Rangers are gonna do some housecleaning I'd seriously consider moving Igor. He's replacement is excelling in Hartford. Dylan Garand has broken out in a big way in his third pro season, going 9-2-2 with a 2.20 GAA and a .926 SV% in 13 starts this season.

From where I sit all of this fits my understanding of Chris Drury. Dour and uncommunicative with an inability (or outright refusal) to consider the bigger picture when it comes to how his actions/decisions/behaviour might impact things beyond the obvious. Allegedly, he rips Krapsnot a new one in front of others (not privately) when he was GMing the Pack - anyone with managerial experience will tell you that's almost always the wrong approach. He never speaks with the media unless forced to do so due to roster decisions and when is the last time during MSG broadcasts has he been on the big screen? I cannot recall a single instance and you know that's intentional. What a weasel this guy is. No wonder he keeps getting fleeced at the trading table - he's got less personality than my big toe and probably has difficulty maintaining decent dialogue with opposing GMs. Good God, fire this incompetent prick NOW!

DRURY NEEDS TO BE SHOWN THE DOOR. DO NOT LET HIM ORCHESTRATE ANOTHER TRADE, DO NOT FIRE THE COACH.

This is the Dangle podcast. The NYR stuff is at 1:12:00 mark ....Everything is bad in New York City.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdJ_QkNYoKo

"IF" the Coach had/has each of the Top 3 Lines starting at 16 TOI minutes they are all getting equal time at Even Strength. Adjust up & down for the Special Teams, and the Top 9 Forwards are still getting Equal TOI. The Folks of this Wall have been clamoring for PP2 to be receiving 50% of the PP Time for Years. I'm going to be bummed if they trade KaKKo. Trade SMITH, Trade Kreider, but, ""DON'T TRADE KAKKO!""

I was putting off the Steve Dangle stuff because I didn't want to be the one to break it here. Dangle used to be with Sportsnet. If true, this is very similar to what went on with the Golden Knights. The team problems have persisted since this summer and Drury still hasn't even had a conversation with them. It's less about the guys being traded and more about the total lack of respect being shown to them. Also, they don't like all of the team's dirty laundry being leaked to the press. Including sending out a league-wide memo that Kreider and Trouba were available for trade.

ANd I see zero reason to believe if Drury actually does trade KK that he won't get fleeced. He'll probably include a high draft pick in the deal, too - after all, that's his MO.

Hospo: If by fun you mean entertaining, then I agree. I certainly am not watching this fiasco with glee!

DO NOT TRADE KAKKAO...The coach has devalued him to shit after being one of the best forwrds at ES on the best line at ES in the nHL for a month..Only plyers tradeqble are younger players other teams want to steal from a team in dissarray....Only hope is another desperate team

Frim the National Enquirer.... "Dangle made the report on yesterday's Steve Dangle Podcast, insisting that players have turned on their GM and are now actively trying to have him removed from his position. From Dangle: "There was a players only meeting and it was not to discuss Peter Laviolette...that relationship is fine...Their main gripe is Chris Drury...They want him to either change his ways or be gone.".............................I know the resentment is there but this i likley grbage....Stiil...I wouldn't be surprised but, in the 1% chance is true, Drury AND the players should be gone!...In any event, the Rangers are n embarrassmet...though a fun one to watch!

SHO - so true on the BENNETT/TUBA play. Given the stage, it was maybe the stupidest hockey play of the year. It would have been a better decision if he just stood there and didn’t move. That was peewee league stuff. The amazing thing - not many people noticed that THIS was TUBS encapsulated. You could pull any rando Thursday night game and see similar brain farts.

If kakko goes it's adios for me unless we get a haul back but Drury is there stupid.

If the KK news is correct, it’s not surprising. He has been grumbling to the Finnish press for years. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a point…to a point. The fact that he can’t get PP time is a crime. But how come we see CUYLEE’s play thrive and take off on the 3rd line and him NOT COMPLAIN OR BITCH LIKE A LITTLE PUSSY?! Bottom line on KK, he has been one of the worst 2nd overall picks for 20 years. So Rangery. Win the lottery, lose the war. I wish it didn’t come to this. Like I wrote below, I am very, very happy with him as a 3rd liner. Other than his linemates, he might be the best 3rd liner in the league. Hmmm…maybe I should read that last sentence again, lol. As long as he wasn’t overpaid. But he’s not happy. I can see why. But, doesn’t he see the winds of change coming? That his line will probably become the de facto 1st or 2nd very soon? That the bodies replacing the bodies moving out will be guys like HIM? Whatever. While his potential may be missed, his forgettable performance and attitude won’t be. I’ll just say this - we better not get another goddamn winger back, lol.

I mean, is anyone shocked? The Rangers have all but ruined KAKKO with a collection of clown coaches. The fact he’s NOT in their top six should be a warning sign to CUYLLE, OTHMANN, PERREAULT and every other young Ranger. Hell, KAKKO is probably looking at Fil CHYTIL’s journey and how he’s essentially been marginalized and kept in a bottom six roll since he was 18…I frankly don’t even want to consider the return right now. It’s gonna be positively dismal. And just watch what happens when he moves to a team with a decent coach…I say this with ZERO doubt: this deal is gonna make the BUCHNEVICH trade seem like a steal. And the result is gonna be just as shitty.

When does sullen Drury say anything other than short press releases after player movement almost certainly not written by him or terse press conferences he likely loathes. Thus nob us a PR nightmare but that's quite fitting given the arrogant silver spooned prick who owns the club. 2 peas in a pod...

According to a report yesterday, Kakko Kakko has requested a trade(it might be why they decided not to play him last game. Same issues as last season. He wants playing time in the top six (looking for that sweet, sweet top six dough you all). It's over, He needs to get moved, and he likely will very shortly.

Interesting that DD drury has not said anything about his coach and his assistants. Where’s his vote of confidence that would possibly send a message to his players? Must still be waiting for the dust to settle. He’s done a great job with kaapo as has his coach. Guess he doesn’t know that when someone quits or gets fired there are two people responsible. The person who is gone and the one who basically hired them. Unfortunately his leadership qualities and qualifications are from being a captain, not from being a gm. Until he takes responsibility and holds others to be accountable, the culture lives on. Quick fix approaches usually disappear quickly. He’s wearing out the seat of his pants. Guess he’s also avoiding lardass’s history while reliving it. They both need to get fitted for new empty suits. They can shop at peter principle’s defining store.

Rhet : I think the Bennett goal in the ECF ended Trouba Ranger career . Drew : As you said we don’t have a Messier post presidents title disaster season , no Keenan out there and also a cap so we can’t do blockbuster trades . It’s over

Tomorrow night should be interesting back down in Big Country land....two teams burning down to ashes..WHich team shows that they care? Would love to see Laviolette not make it to the game...We'll see..At lest then Kakkao might play!

VCP - re: the Finn being an AHL player. Should feel right at home here….so is half the NYR D, starting with LINDY…

Apparently, Sam Bennett is available, like legit available. It's also rumored that the Panthers may be willing to do a sign-and-trade for him. They're looking for max value for him.

Limbo Drury has no plans, he is in limbo he is incompetent. His track record proves he can't make a trade to save his life. .....good luck with the theory though.

My bullshit - for what it’s worth - guess at the possible blueprint: Drop anyone over 30 and not nailed down. LINDGREN will be gone as soon as the Finnish kid is ready to go. Others will go to the highest bidder, I assume at the TDL, but earlier is possible too. ZSHIT gets 5-7 minutes on the 4th line. He will fold and will pick his new home. I really hope we don’t trade anyone under 30. Yet. NYR will get at least 2 avg Dmen into the mix. They will get a coach that can teach a team wide d system, and for God’s sake hold ever damn player to account. Then reassess. If Panarin chooses to leave and fetches a haul, his money will probably go the next big FA. If needed, KK or MILLER can go for hockey trades. This won’t be a tank. Drury just gave a 28 y/o goalie the highest contract ever for a goalie, and an 8 year NMC. That is not tanking. He will try to replace the core talent, hopefully with a real plan. And not just sign a bunch of guys whose biggest fit to a championship puzzle is…the fact that they really, really, want to be here. That can’t be enough. Not again. So there it is. The NYR great reset. Or retool. Or whatever. The other possible plan - NYR signs a bunch of plucky, slightly antisocial, New England overachievers completely modeled after a certain lunatic GM. They may be, in fact….the first ever human clones.

Watching Emberson take effective regular turns on the Oiler backline and being reminded of Drury's incompetence.

NYStranger - you too? Hospo I caught your Wahostrom/Engval post. You don’t think those Tavares rumors don’t have me a bit intrigued?

E - There could be something to that..and formr players know more bout the locker room than I...but.....they didn't win anything last year so the motivation to win should be there.....plus it wasn't a really gruesome run..The Caps were an easy slam dunk...Carolina was a skating series..but, yeah, FLA just manhnadled them..Also, guys like Weekes rarely if ever lay blame on coaches or GMs...They let writers and fans do that..

Swap JT Miller for Zibanejad? IN a heartbeat, then, what can we get in return trade for JT Miller? JT will turn 32 in 3 months and is in the 2nd year of a 7 year deal that pays $8mill per. Trade for him and flip him. https://puckpedia.com/player/jt-miller

HOSPO: I was listening to Weekes. He thinks the elimination after a deep run really stung the team. He says that most of the team left it all on the ice and it wasn’t good enough. And so then you have Drury Goodrow and Trouba and he thinks there is a natural drop off. He pointed out that while Vegas has been decent, in reality the Oil, FL, yada yada haven’t exactly hit 2025 with the afterburners on. So he thinks fatigue is a factor but he thinks momentum is a thing. And it comes apart at the seams. Now me? When a team isn’t emotionally invested and lacks the ability to play the game. Sticks out of position, lack of hustle, keep going…

I can totally see Trent Frederic being available. He is an UFA on July 1st and he will most definitely be looking for a raise. To me: Frederic still hasn't decided what he wants to be when he grows up. I like him but I would not give up a ton for him. I also think you can get more for Kreider. JMO, though.

Not sure if I believe the rumors on JT MILLER and him having beef with PETTERSSON...or that they're actively trying to ship him...But what would be interesting is if the Rangers offered to swap ZIBANEJAD for him straight up. My suspicion, though, is that MILLER'S leave of absence had less to do with beefs and more to do with substance use issues...but that's another story.

The Bruins are at a point where they're probably going to do something similar to what the Rangers did with 'the letter'...not a full rebuild, but rather a retool. What they're going to be bringing back AIN'T gonna be players like KREIDER and LINDGREN. And while I wouldn't doubt that FREDERIC is on the market, there are other guys they're probably more eager to move...Probably COYLE, ZACHA and ZADOROV, for sure. I think if they could push LINDHOLM out the door, they'd do that too. But both have NMCs...Oddly enough, the Bruins are in a bind. They dumped a whole bunch of cap space into a core that has drastically underperformed. The only real difference between them is that the Bruins still have some decent draft capital and the Rangers have some decent prospects...but the teams are in similar places...and unfortunately, that means they aren't very good trading partners...I think if FREDERIC is on the table, the B's are going to want KAKKO back in exchange. If not him, then a first rounder. If not a first rounder, then a top prospect...likely OTHMANN...nevertheless, as I've mentioned before, he IS the type of player this team could use.

A het trick to Eliminate Carolina all the way to the fourth line. A precipitous crash for Kreider.

I really dread the trading of KAKKAO.....As for the BOS proposals.. Those moves might be good but none of these trades or any trades matter in the great scheme of things (Cup) if we keep ZBAD..He and his style need to be gone..Maybe trades of his buddies will make him more likely to waive his NMC and NHC...

Frederic is an impending UFA…so is Lindgren. Maybe a big package involving Frederic, Lindgren, Frederic and ???

Trent Frederic on the trade block! Could be a good add! Maybe Kreider to Nostonbgot Frederic plus ?https://insidetherink.com/boston-bruins-making-a-decision-on-trent-frederic/

E - We agree that the Rangers were not last year and are not the hard to play agasint players and grinding players that are needed to win the Cup...but....Was there a "character Issue " last year? I don't think so, the team never, ever quit.....So...what happened?.....the shitty treatment and the loss of Goodrow/Troubs? Laviolette's player handling lost the team??? the players all of a sudden decided to quit on each other and the team? I don't think it's the latter..even if I agree we need a better mix of "tough" plaayers

Any news on possible lines at practice today to see how much shit Fat COuntry is throwing at the Wall and how much they continue to devalue Kakkao?? Maybe it's best that they don't practice anyways....ANd, you know what would be good, if there was a good locker room brawl to clear the air!!

Friday, starts the NHL holiday roster freeze and there are rumors that a NYR trade is coming before then. I guess we shall see.

E scratching kakko over ZBAD really lavy knows how to coach NOT .no chance both Drury and Laviolett need to go but Dolan is too fuckin stupid.

Outside of the one good playoff run, Goodrow did NOTHING as a NYR. He had a total of 2 points combined in his prior two NYR postseasons. What is more likely, that he repeats that one good career postseason or that he reverts back to the norm?

Hey everyone, well this season sure is not going very well. I think a few of you (VTRanger and vcp'd on you) mentioned 1992-93. 91-92 was President's Trophy, 92-93 was the disastrous season followed by 93-94. A little personal DREW family synchronization - 91-92 I was in 11th grade, I graduated HS in 93, and was a freshman in 93-94. DREW Jr graduates (God Willing) this year so perhaps the world does revolve around me? The only thing we would have to endure is an Islander run to the semi-finals this year and then Sorokon or Varlamov plays Glenn Healy to Shesterkin. I know it's a stretch! We do not have a Messier and Fox is not Brian Leetch.

HOSPO: Fair enough. And I agree that Laviolette is a guy that hasn’t been great in a long time. BUT, he knows how to coach. I think it’s really a character issue with the team itself.

Where's LEGZ !?!? - People who read tea leaves are called tasseographers. They use their skills to interpret the arrangement of tea leaves to gain information about the future. Tasseography is an ancient practice that originated in China and became popularized throughout Europe by the Romani people. It's still practiced today in Turkey, where fortune tellers offer spiritual guidance from traditional coffee houses. --- You Phuckers better be wrong! :->) - They better NOT trade MILLER & OR KAKKO! I'd rather they trade Kreider and bench MEAK-AHH then trade away the youth!

E: I do not have another coach in mind, but I (personally) would like to see if someone else with a different system and line combinations/times could do better. At least it would, perhaps, highlight where the greatest strengths, weaknesses and needs are moving forward. I'm willing to forego this season at this point with this crew and sell high at the deadline to move forward with a younger core. It's hard to be entertained or find players to root for with this bunch.....

You know when my buddy Andrei and I agree on something, there is some serious shit going down. Like biblical stuff. Dogs and cats…living together, lol! I fought it for a long time, but you finally got me on the ZShit train. But, I had zero issues with GOODY on our 4th line…at league minimum. He has his warts, but I didn’t hate the player at all, just really hated that contract. TBH - I may not be the right guy to chime in…I think most 4th liners kinda suck. Otherwise, they’d be 3rd liners, lol. IMO, they should all be league minimums.

TDCHI - Been my read of the tea leaves too..givcing up on and giving away KAKKAO and Miler first....will do nothing.....treating a symptom but not the cause

andrei - You are not getting it on Goodrow,,,,,What Ranger fans like you, me or anybody want or what we felt about Goodrow's performace (Possibly the best Ranger forward in the POs) don't mean shit...Here, we are talking about a mind fucked rudderless team and what Goodrow and his leadership/experience might have meant to them..And again, You or I don't know..Only the Locker room does...But look at this team and the teamwide mweltdown..it's so much more than..ZBAD sucks..Kreider sucks..Panarina doesn't give a shit about defense

Now back to Goodrow's. Just so we clear, Rangers fan wanted Goodrow out bad last season, where he ended up scoring only 4 goals. Could not wait to see him gone, before he went on having a good playoffs run. Now, on SJ, same Goodrow is on pace for 9 point for entire season, currently with 3 points in 28 games. So Rangers should have kept that gem and it would have resulted in a better season? Common, I really hope we are smarter then that. I will take Carric over Goodrow any time of the day.

Limbo, good post. My point was basically the same. This concept that players are folding or there is a mutiny over GM moves is just not real. Like I get the idea that Goodrow was a voice in the locker-room and his departure created a void. O'key. Sure, it makes sense. But then if the team had a strong leadership, it would not be a problem. Present exhibit A, Tampa, where it's core had no problem absorbing team's captain departure. Since it is a problem with the NYR, then the problem is not with Goodrow departure, problem is with the so call "leadership" of the team, or lack of it.

Well I will say this: If DRURY does decide to fire sale, and he gets back a boatload of picks, that might actually be a decent thing for the team because that's about as close to a strength as I can see him having: Drafting guys. But I just don't see that happening. My read of the tea leaves is that they'll give away Kaapo KAKKO for an older player on an expiring contract and when that doesn't correct the ship, they'll can LAVIOLETTE.

Kreider & Lindgren are tradeable. Zibanejad may be difficult, and we may be stuck with him. That might not be terrible as long as Kreider (half the bromance) is moved.... Adding Kreider & Lindgren to the trade-list along with, Smith, Jones, Berard, Vesey, possibly Edstrom, should bring back a handsome return and some picks.

I know it's hackneyed to blame the coach, but FFS, you can't look at three bad choices for the bench and say it ain't the coach. Rather it's three bad choices. QUINN was obviously the worst, because he just sucked and was the stupid runner up when MONTGOMERY chose Dallas. Then GALLANT. I mean, just look at that dude's history is all you really needed to do...and LAVIOLETTE? The dude hasn't been relevant in more than a decade. He's the very definition of old school coach...As I mentioned before, the Rangers desperately need someone who thinks outside the box and understands modern systems...and what it takes to compete against top-level teams...LAVIOLETTE showed some promise last season, but again...he slips into the same bad habits as GALLANT did/does...and at this point? The only move that makes sense to try and salvage the season is to can the guy on the bench and bring in someone new...The team is getting utterly smoked by the entire NHL. Not just the good teams. All of them. And LAVIOLETTE has no clue as to how he should staunch the bleeding. The best he has to offer is benching fucking KAKKO, and throwing RUHWEDEL into the mix. Like seriously dude. Maybe start with playing the guys who are skating hard and not playing the guys who are struggling...

JFC - For sure, they need a reset somehow, someway...And I can't see that with the coach and/or no changes to the VET core..(not Kakkao and Miller)...I am shocked if nothing happens before the Nashville game..

Send Krieder to Boston, get back Georgii Merkulov! A viable trade? Who TF knows but all I “know” is this….this group is absolutely unable to handle distractions or “worry.” Drury did not recognize this and that is in him. The summer Trouba saga started it off. Kakko was also mentioned as being shopped. Then our “leaders” starting saying “this is our last chance as a group!” Trouba started pouting or at least not leading in the locker room the way he did before and that put a black cloud over the locker room. Lindgren has been bad since Day 1 & everyone knows he’s not gonna get signed if he sees his upcoming UFA status as his big chance at a BIG PAY DAY! So that effects him and FOX! Zibanejad is scared of losing Kreider and that’s effecting HIS play and Kreider himself is an insufferable navel-gazer even in the best of times….now he’s overwhelmed.And now the coup de grace…the losing streak has the ENTIRE LOCKER room looking over their shoulders wondering when the next shoe or shoes are gonna drop…with many worrying if THEY will be shipped out. If Drury is intent on changing the heart of this team, he needs to do it ASAP and then make the, “OK, I’m all finished now, this is our group going forward” speech so they can all RELAX and stop being distracted! That is the only way out of this…get rid of the black cloud of doom & gloom hanging over these players!

Thought this was interesting, pulled from the CAPS press. For those who watched the Capitals stumble under Laviolette, this appears to be Part 3 of a four-part play — and we all know how this play ended. We extend our condolences to Rangers fans though. These are the moments that test your hockey fandom and it’s no fun to go through.

The thought of Drury retooling doesn't have me drooling because he needs GM schooling and that's my ruling!

HOSPO - haha, fair enough. I just hope the next crew that gets in here does it right. A cup would be nice. Us oldtimers don’t have too many seasons left of this shit…

E - very thoughtful post. Some other food for thought - TBL. MCD got the TROUBA/GOODY treatment before it was en vogue. A 2 time SC winner. Anchor of the D. Told, take a trade or get waived to dreck. Did KUCH/POINT/STAMKOS shrivel like grapes in the sun? Nope, they played. Then their home grown all time Captain STAMKOS was unceremoniously not picked up. Did the entire org go belly up? Nope. So, as much as DRURY deserves shit, and he does as he has caused a lot of this, when other GMs do this stuff without vilification…sorry, the NYR one gets to as well. It’s just business. TBH - DRURY’s biggest mistake, not being tough enough. When TROUBS put the kibosh on that summer deal, right then and there, DRURY should have given him the MCD deal. Letting it fester was hopelessly naive. As far as the rest of the team, my guess, DRURY knew exactly what he was doing. Either the players are pros, like TBL, and keep fighting and playing. Or they go belly up. Either way, it gives data. It gives info. And in way, allows the tough decisions, like a timely MCDing of TROUBS in the summer, to be more easily made.

LIMBO - that meant it wasn't personal! It's business! :) I was just frustrated with your take (even if it may be right!) and the entire situation....Well as Al Pacino said. in ANd Justice For ALL...The players are out of order! The Coach is out of order! The GM is out of order! The whole damn fucking organization is out of order!!....

mf - I DO NOT want to part with any of those guys. But those are the players you're going to part with if you're pulling in NHLers. SMITTY Jr? You'd be lucky to get back the original second rounder for his ass, much less an actual player. VESEY might get you a fourth or fifth rounder. JONES probably has some value. I could see the Sharks and Jets parting with KUNIN and KUPARI for him...but then who are you inserting to take his spot in the lineup? Point is, to get value, you need to give value and the Rangers right now are not looking like a team that is one or two players away from making a deep run...so if the idea is to make the team tougher, they're going to need to part with pieces for the future. And none of those deals is going to be popular. A healthy OTHMANN and a first rounder would probably get you something halfway decent. But is that one player coming over gonna magically transform the team? Probably not...Like I said a few days ago...probably the only deal that could really right the ship would be to try to grab either O'REILLY or STAMKOS out of Nashville. Strengthens up the middle. Would give first line some punch...but the cost? It ain't gonna be cheap.

E - Laviolette WAS a good coach.....His modern record has been , well, SHITTY....Since 2018 and until last year, a Laviolette team hadn't even won a PO series...And after seeing this season and his antiquidated and incompetent handling of players, an arguement can be made the last season's success were the result of the PLAYERS carrying him!...but back to the staus quo this season......That said, the players do deserve blame also....but when it's 15 players and when the only cosnistent traits are bad ones, it points to the coach or a coach-player mismatch.......having a GM that didn't botch almost every move for 2 years would be helpful also

It's hard to say what's going on un the room but we've had 4 coaches with this core group and there are still issues. I believe it's time to change the core group.

I emailed Dolan at jdolan@msg.com to please get involved what if all of us do this ? Won't matter I know.

HOSPO - I’m not sure what “I was..but only in terms of the discussion” really means. I am going to assume that is wasn’t directed at me or my opinions personally, and you were just blowing off steam. I have been doing that a lot recently too. Bottom line, very few in the NYR org are without blame here for this mess. Maybe the tape guy, lol?

47: What do you think firing Laviolette will get you? For me? Hes a fine coach. He has a limited shelf life wherever he goes but so do most coaches. He has done a lot of winning. I think at some point you have to look at the players and put the oneness on them. Now I get it, coaches usually pay the price. That’s hockey. Getting rid of the coaches is the easiest thing to do. But the team hated Quinn because he was too in their lives and apparently that bugged him. They brought in a players coach and after year-2 hated him because he wasn’t a good x and o’s guy. So, they brought in a cup winning, no nonsense old school hockey coach who has been in a million big games and is known as a great bench boss. Now they want him gone to? I get it. Go get Queneville or some other nice shiny object. Hype up all their winning and commitment to excellence. And watch them on year 2 or 3 exit stage left with a mediocre record. And on to the next shiny object. This is the Ranger way. It’s been that way I think pretty much always. Between that instability and that constant need to get the next great 31-year old star and sign them to a 12-year cap crushing deal is maddening. You know Laviolette doesn’t have his team. You know what kind of team Laviolette wants. Look at the teams he has coached. Look at Nashville. That was a Laviolette team. Do the Rangers even remotely look like Nashville? A team that you couldn’t score on. A team that played a stifling yet boring style that excelled in shot suppression. And a team that was probably the most physically intimidating thing this side of those Anaheim Ducks teams for a few years. But Laviolette needs to be fired? Right now? I am more on the Drury must be fired if anything. And Im not 100% on board that bus till after the season. This is an issue with the team. It’s a structural issue and its a character issue. They are not the sum of their parts. And that aint on the coach who didnt suddenly forget how to guide a hockey team. If you want someone’s scalp for this? Go get Drury and a few of the players who have been here thru every character disaster since Tom Wilson beat Panarin (the best player on the team) and stood in the box like a moron flexing because he was pounding on guys that might as well have been children. After all, thats in part why Goodrow was here in the first place.

Can we pen a letter and send it registered return receipt? "Or" To email the New York Rangers front office, you can send a message to newyorkrangers@thegarden.com. You can also contact the Rangers by phone at (212) 465-6000.

DOn't know what more can be said...we all have different opinions on why this entire NHL team, including vets and kids, is burning down to the ground...The only thing we can do is have fun watching NERO DRURY and LAVIOLETTE continue to burn it down (last nigth a classic example with the KAKKAO benching and the ice time at the end and relying on Drury provided depth crap like Brodz, Ruwhedel, Mackey, Edstrom; and the impending trade of red headed step kid KAKKAO)) or watch it, miracle of miracles, rise from the ashes.....Must see TV either way!!

DRURY is looking at those 2026 and 2027 third rounders and the 2025 fourth rounder and is probably salivating uncontrollably.

VtRanger - BWHAHAHA!! I stand corrected. The evil of Kappo KAKKO knows no bounds. The guy is CLEARLY ruining the team.

One thing I respected about Drury the player but I hate as a GM is that unflappable quality he has. It almost makes me wonder if that personality isn’t a media front and he really has that personality then this family argument I was in where I argued that I think Drury has like a bit of a Schizoid Personality Disorder.

I personally hope there are no moves (esp Kakko) until they replace Lav and see what happens as a result.

Too bad no one on this wall has connections to this Dolan fool. Drury needs to go NOW !!! And Laviolett. ......let's do a protest at MSG like Dolan would give a crap....stop buying tickets then he will say geeeee what happened.

TDCHI: I am not concerned with the lack of picks because I think that if this team isn’t gonna make the playoffs Drury will retool. And they will get a healthy number of picks and prospects in return. And when you backfill with what they already have you aren’t in atrocious shape. The lack of potential identified game breakers outside of Perrault and to a lesser degree Othmann is definitely concerning but picks? I think that is manageable.

Anyone care to guess whether KREIDER was asked to submit a list of the 15 Team's he would NOT agree to be traded to? And if he was asked, was the news leaked to the NYR Locker room?

TD: your last post read a little awkward for me, but I believe that list of prospects are players you "do Not" wish to part ways with at this point in time......

HOSPO: Ive been going back and forth on how much a letter on a jersey really matters. Most of us dont really know the personalities of the players or the team dynamic so it’s hard to tell who actualy leads. Like back in 2011 everyone was talking about Callahan as the captain but it turned out Brian Boyle was the most vocal guy in the room. Goodrow is the kinda guy whos been there and done it. Hes seen everything in the playoffs played on deep runs his whole career and barely knows what its like to lose. When he talks I bet the players listen. Hes tough serious and hockey culture valuse that. Ive questioned how much captains realy impact the game on the ice but off it leadership matters. Dumping Goodrow hurt and the way it happend was kinda dirty. I get the economics but losing him was a big deal. Failing to move Trouba made it even worse. When your captain knows the team tried to get rid of him it messes with chemistry. Players arent stupid they know whats going on and it sends the worst posible message. How can you expect him to lead a room full of guys when everyone knows management tried to ship him out. It undermines not just Trouba but the leadership structure of the whole team. And despite the poor play back to last season in the Anaheim interview with Trouba it wrecked his confidence too. He looked completly off in the Anaheim interview like it had totally rattled him. When your captain is checked out or unsure of his place it affects everyone. That creates distrust and weakens the locker room. Goodrow was the glue guy with leadership and stability. Without him this team feels like its missing a backbone. Now the Rangers look like they did before Goodrow showed up talented but missing a key guy to keep them on track. Meanwhile Goodrows in San Jose making a bad team compete harder every night. Thats the kinda influence the Rangers are missing. It feels like Drury misjudged everything. He underestimated Goodrow and Trouba’s value and overestimated the rest of the team. Leadership isnt something you can just replace midseason it takes time. This team feels hollow to me now. It’s missing the heart or soul or whatever. Maybe in the vacuum Lafreniere begins to assert himself more? I don’t know. Ironically, some of the kids ooze with character. Look at Jones. This kid is coming up the hard way and he never quits. He has his limitations but I find his energy inspiring. I think Berard will be a leader on this team someday as well. Maybe the reality now is the Hail Mary. Go grab a few guys who are playoff warriors. Journeymen guys that every team looks for. Maybe a Maroon type of player has more value than a Vesey right now. I don’t know but I do know Maroon while fading as a player on the ice is a guy thats been there in those games. A lot. It’s my experience (maybe all of us) perhaps speaking but being a Ranger fan does give you a bit of cynicism from some form of domestic violence trauma and PTSD. As such I think this season is right on the edge of being lost. And if that happens then they were oh so close yet again but oh so far. That will piss me off so much because it’s just SOR. Same Old Rangers. But dont worry Rantanen will be a UFA and on July 1 they can buy him and we can have that SOR experience. All the sizzle and none of the grizzle.

TD: You are wrong, wrong, wrong! This entire situation is the fault of one man and one man alone: Kappo Kakko!!! Scratch him until Drury can trade his sorry ass out of town (for a third round pick). Then everything will be fine. FFS, last night was the first time in many years that I voluntarily chose not to watch a Ranger game because of my disgust with how this team is managed.

Here's the problem: The Rangers basically have no second, third and fourth round picks for the next three years. So if you're looking to get one of those names, you're going to need to dip into your first rounders OR trade away a promising prospect. Let me tell you that there aren't many names us fans want to see moved...but here's a quick list: PERREAULT, EMERY, LABA, GARAND, OTHMANN, FORTESCUE and SYKORA...you might could add CHMELAR, McCONNELL-BARKER and ROOBROECK, all three are more valuable as prospects than they would be as trade pieces. Maybe Matt ROBERTSON...but here's the other rub...the Rangers are going to NEED those prospects in the very near future so that can ice a team with the most expensive goaltender in the world...Hello rock. Meat hard place. There's not really much the Rangers can do at this point other than stay the course and mop things up in the off-season. Anything DRURY does will basically be getting pennies on the dollar because it doesn't take a genius to see he's in a very, exceedingly desperate position.

We need to move forward: Here are some names du jour until the fickle winds change my mind. -- How little can we trade away / part with, to acquire: (1) CBJ OLIVIER (2) SJS KUNIN - (3) WPG KUPARI (4) BUF D'man SAMUELSSON ..... There are no huge names there, just the type of players we here pined for the end of last season which was, "1 RW, 1 3rd line Center, 1 LHS D'man. What did we get? RW Smith, Chytil back from injury at Center, Gorilla MonSoon JONES on Defense..... Which brings me back to the TRADERATOR! On the way "OUT for starters," - Smith, Jones, Vesey, Berard, "and" we can eat salary this season and possible next too, but I would not go past the end of next season eating salary. -- That's as good a start as any, if the collective WALL-Opinion is to cut deeper, look at KREIDER, LINDGREN (but then we need 2 LHSD-men), and IF he'll agree, "Zibanejad". to be continued.....

Didn't know what to make of the Dreary hiring on the beginning but those deadline deals in year 1 was enough for me to see he's in over his head. Abd he's gotten worse over time incredibly enough. Agreed there's no reason to trust his ability to address the mess he's put the organization in. In fact the opposite. Fire the phucker. Now!

Oh and if you're hoping for a trade to rescue this season, I will remind you that DRURY has lost just about EVERY trade he's made to date. I cannot think of one that actually helped the Rangers for more than a month or two. And now I'm hearing KAKKO rumors heating up again...let me tell you how horrific THAT trade will be if it comes to pass. We're three years into the DRURY era and the best I can tell is that Jeff GORTON'S magic is beginning to wear off and we're getting our first real glimpse of the unmitigated disaster DRURY is as a GM...and this is coming from someone who did and still does desperately want to like DRURY. But man, I simply can't ignore the bold-faced writing on the wall here. He's a fucking hot mess.

LOL, this season AND this team is on DRURY. And if you don't believe that, you gotta be giving yourself a proctological exam with your head...DRURY has made a complete mess out of a team that was well on its way to success. The dude has made SOOOOOOOO many self-inflicted wounds, it's really kind of hard to fathom them all...I mean, let's start right out of the gate with the absolutely stupid BUCHNEVICH trade. Gave away HOWDEN too. Then just one shitty signing after the next. NEMETH, the GOODROW contract...hiring retreads like GALLANT and LAVIOLETTE...failing to find anyone to play with Z and KREIDER and using the trade deadline as an annual three-month try-out for that spot...VATRANO, KANE, TARASENKO, ROSLOVIC and now SMITTY Jr...the crazy amount of picks he has thrown away in those deals is mind-bending. All for pending free agents that he lost for nothing and, consequently accomplished nothing...The TROUBA saga. Like what fucking sense did that deal make?! Again. Self-inflicted injury...He's passed on so many easy signings to go for just total dreck. Like to think: WE TRADED A SECOND ROUNDER FOR SMITTY, a guy basically on pace to score 40 points playing on our first line...we have an $11.5 million goaltender who has no defense in front of him. We have a coach who continues to heap minutes on ineffective players. I man for absolute FUCK'S SAKE...if you're not blaming DRURY for this, you need your goddamn head examined...I liked the idea of Captain Clutch coming in...seemed like he'd bring accountability...instead what he's brought is a total mess and almost no way out of it except to wait and hope his draft picks turn out perfect. Because if we're doing a quick job evaluation here? That's the only part he's passing...and the total irony is that the Rangers barely have any draft picks left, so again...self-inflicted injury...this is 110 percent on DRURY. He is the architect of this mess. And quite frankly, I don't see him having the wherewithal to get out of it. I mean, the shit that we saw this weekend is just damning. The first goddamn step is to fire the useless coach and find someone who has a brain to be behind the bench. Not stupid retreads. A real goddamn coach for once. Oh...and just a quick reminder on that end? we did have Kris KNOBLAUCH. And he coached his first professional games behind the Ranger bench. Oh and guess what? DRURY passed him over to hire the clown they got back there now. So is it on DRURY? You fucking better believe it's on his ass.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/insider-proposes-massive-sabres-canucks-blockbuster-trade

IF I were Drury those phones would be working Overtime to every GM in the League.

LIMBO - I was..but only in terms of the discussion...If you're telling me GOODROW wasn't an on-ice and locker room leader for the players on the Team and the A and the Captain of the team Trouba wasn't an on-ice and locker room leader for the players of the team..well we coulldn't disagree more.....Now, our opinons of their leadership is meningless compared to what the players in the locker room felt.....ANyways, SOMETHING IS AMISS TEAMWIDE and it includes the coach and Drury..Then again, that's an opinon...DRURY's horrendous handling of the the NHL team and it's playable depth over the last few years OTOH is not an opinion, well in my opinion at least..:)

GENE CARR - Spot on about the Coach and the D..but while the individual performance of D men is lacking...they all look 100X worse because of the lacko of backchecking, horriffic positioning and zero commitment to defense by the forwards, vets, and youngsters, who just don't seem to care..As a result, we have the Keystone Kops defense strategy

Laviolete is in a time warp. He is stubborn and refuses to play a zone defense which needs to happen. Opposing teams entering our zone cause a Chinese fire drill more like a slapstick movie than a disciplined hockey team. Lets be honest, the players are trying, they are not on the same page. Can't argue the D needs more talent, but this disaster is on the coach. The D is the first order of business. Line management is a close second. Drury should be the chief scout. I think he has done an excellent job at the draft table. He has incredibly poor managerial skills. He is a clear example of getting promoted to the level of incompetence.

Rhet - that’s all true and I agree….BUT, I don’t see any players/leadership on this team that have the DNA of a Messier, Graves, or Leetch. My opinion of course, but just sayin

NYR fans need to get a grip. Is this season going the way we wanted/expected it to go? NO, of course not, but it's all happened before. In 92-93, we went 34-39-11 and missed the playoffs after winning the President's Trophy the prior season. In 94-95, we went 22-23-3 in a strike shortened season, after winning the President's trophy the prior season ... Those were teams that we had Messier, Leetch and Graves on them and we still underperformed. Maybe, just maybe, hockey is hard?

HOSPO - I hope you’re not cursing at me. GOODROW wasn’t traded and was overpaid the second the contract was signed. A fourth liner getting paid that much is tough for any team to round out the rest of the roster. TROUBA a leader? For his wife’s career, sure. For NYR? Not according to him. From his own lips - I chose my family. He checked out the second he chose his family over hockey. Regardless, he also was overpaid the second his contract was signed and add in he sucked at hockey for a while as well. In a cap world, you can’t overpay and under deliver. It’s death to an org. I’m not holding DRURY blameless, I think he sucks at most of his job. But, the players are pros, they gotta play. The effort by TROUBA this year was shameful. The effort by the core, and by dragging down the kids, is shameful.

Laviolette said the decision to scratch Kakko was about “putting fresh legs in the lineup.”...Good job FuckFace..You have your fat fucking fingerr on the pulse of the team....NOT!!!!......And Dummbfuck Drury, just go head and trade Kakkao and Miller for a few picks but hold on to those vets that have been givingn every ounce of their blood and sweat to turn this thing ar0oud like Fox, ZBad, Panrina, Kreider, Trocheck, Lindgren

ANDREI - I know the reality of the Cap in the NHL...BUt Drury has made bad move after bad move as it pertains to the nHL team for a window that is now probably shut..He blew it with his deals and inept handling of his TEAM over the lst 2 years...Guess that earns him a shot at the next window which MAY be open in 3 years...Fuck thaat,, I'll likely be dead or senile, well, more senile...

Hospo, that's called reality of NHL cap. Every cap team faces it and every team has the same answers. Again, it's a pure fantasy that other NHL teams have these unresolved depth of excellent talent just waiting to be called. Just like Rangers would be playing against called up AHL journeyman goaltender, or journeyman 30 year old d-man, or a winger. How many times we heard that team has to do cap gymnastics when injury's start piling up, or waiver claims teams do, cause their NHL roster player just got injured. Blues just made trade for corpses of Fowler, why? Cause they lost 2 d-man off their roster due to injuries. So Armstrong is a terrible GM, cause Blues have no depth on D? Every NHL is 2-3 players away from scrambling around looking to trade for a needed help. So that's that. Personally, I did not like trades at the 2023 deadline, and I did call Drury on them. I hated Kane's trade. Just like I could not stand Gallant and did not like how team was playing at the time to warrant major trades. But to say that this season is on Drury? Will agree to disagree.

ANDREI - We were playing Connor Fucking Mackey..Chad Worthless Ruwhede;l..Zac 98 poubd weakiling Jones...JOhnny Brodzinsky..with Jake Lesychysn in the Wings......WEll agree to disagree........and..."I'm sure Drury will address over time." Wht is your definition of "time"..5 Fucking years? Becasue he hasn't done it in 4 this time...But, I know, it's all ZSHIT, KREIDER and the 1-dimensional Panarina tht re the problem..Drury is God!

Hospo, o'key, Drury is terrible. Fine. There must be better GM's out here, right? Just want to understand, which cap team in NHL have so much depth just waiting in a wing, that you are referring to? Does LA have depth in centers in AHL just waiting to be called up? Maybe Tampa does? Maybe Toronto, or maybe Edmonton or Colorado has players just waiting to be recalled? It's a fantasy, man. It's not real. That's not how NHL team operate. Cap does not allow you to create unused depth. Every $ counts. Let me say this, my friend, if an NHL team has a NHL ready player, that NHL prospect will be playing on the NHL roster. Teams are desperate for a cheap $ players. They only sent down to AHL players that need more time in AHL. Rangers have 2 centers signed for 4 more years, and one for 2 more. That's DEPTH!! There are three more centers in AHL that are 20 years old and one that is 24 years old. That's DEPTH! Plus a very, very good center prospect Noah Laba in NCAA. Do they need time in AHL, sure. But that does not mean that somehow Drury is not stocking up the prospect pool. if anything, that's might be Drury's strongest sides as an GM, is how he was able to put together a very good team of scouts. Said it before, real weakness is on D, which I'm sure Drury will address over time. He already drafted EJ Emery in the 1st round last draft.

PJ - I mentioned the ZMOUSE ice time quite a few times..but, that side, we agree on everything else :)

No mention that Z had the least amount of time of the four centers…Less than Carrick and over six minutes less than Trocheck or Chytil… Laff had more time than any forward..As far as Drury goes he should be fired for giving up anything for a Ruhwedal alone…Laviolette will go and should but as long as the weasel remains at GM we are screwed…

s the game went on in the 3rd period and ZILCH hd the lest amount of ice time, I was wondering if the Rangers were trying to prove a point to him..like, DOn't wave your NMC and this is how you will be used......Silly me..Of course, Fat COuntry then desperately plays him insted of Cuylle or Berard for the last 2 minutes and 43.6 secs........And LAVIOLETTES handling of KAKKAO is just more bull shit that will fuck up the team

Andrei: If I remember correctly, you called Zbad & Kreider out last season and were dead on correct. I was in the camp that thought there was a magic bullet RW out there somewhere going to get Z & K to mesh with their new line-mate. I was wrong! Our bo Drury seemed to be of similar mindset because he went out and signed SMITH. Now I have nothing against SMITH and once we trade him for something, the conditional 2nd round 2027 pick and the 5th round pick for this upcoming draft will yield us something new. "BUT" the point is that DRURY gets paid the big bucks. HE should have known that there was NO RW out there that was going to make any more difference than what we already had on the roster to get Z & K to include the 3rd player on their line. "SO" Drury should have kept GOODROW and he and his assistants needed to get that right! GOODROW was an important part of the leadership on this team, and his utility up and down the lines, and his playoff experience were too important to lose. Again, Drury & Co has to get that right and they blew it. THEN, the only player that needed to go was TROUBA. .... IGOR needed to be signed, and he was.

Andrei I am not saying it's right but ....the players hate him I believe.... I am just a fan like you..we are all outside looking in

Andrei's - DRURY's incompetence and Laviolette's mind boggling handling of players has torn this team apart where nobody is playing good...nobody is playing hard more than 10 mins a game...everybody's heads are up their ass (including Panarina) and nobody gives a shit about defense (including Panarina)...When it's that systemic, it's bigger than the players....the same players that were as close as any team last year show not one thread of chemistry anywhere...Sorry, the Coach and GM need to go..

Andrei Drury is completely incompetent.....Smith nice job, Kane , nice job, ruhwehdel nice job, rosolovich,wennberg nice job yeah I want Drury to ....is Drury fired yet

DRURY last off season - Bonino, Pitlick, Nash, Gustaffson., QUick (his one good move)....DRURY last Deadline - Ruwhedel, Weinerberg, Roslovic.....DRrury this off season ..trades the well respected Goodrow, Mangles trade of the Captain Trouba, wastes draft picks on Piece of shit SMith, resigns Ruwhedel, this season...the ill conceived letter, the soap operaa trade of Trouba...and the great effect it has had on the team.....And that's not even considering the KANE fiasco The Tanking Tnk the yer before....ANd not one center outside of college in the orgniztion for depth..and nobody but Mancini who isn't even ready on D....Yeah, I want Drury building or rebuilding this team!

vcp, so it's now on Drury that he can't find a winger to play with Bromance? It's not on bromance butt lovers, but it's on GM to find a non-existent player? cause 20+ other players have failed, it's clearly a GM issue? As far as Drury not being able to make a trade. Trouba trade was a master class on how to trade a player, making $8 mil per and clearly overpaid with remaining time on the contract without giving up assets or picks. Normally teams give up at least a pair of 2nd round picks, often a 1st rounder. That's a hell of trade by Drury!!

Well sucked seeing that in person…Almost choked when I saw the lineup…We won’t do much with that D against anyone…JBRO on a line with Trocheck?…Laviolette needs to go…I believe Kreider knows his days are numbered…To me just depressing…I can’t even get mad….

vcp, common dude. Mutiny? Really? Is that what we are going with? Poor fucken player cause their feelings got hurt? It's called business. Every team in NHL does it every year. Tampa does it every year, but somehow their core is not striking. Vegas does it, but players feelings are not hurt there. Canes let it's core and sole players walk without any attempts to re-sign them, but remaining players are not mentally hurt. Let's stop with this nonsense. If Bryan Leetch can be traded on his birthday and somehow players still wants to play in NY, anyone can be traded . Let me let you on a little secret. Players on NYR knew that Goodrow would be gone. They all know when the team is against the cap and they know who on the roster most likely top be gone. Same Goodrow that's score 4 goals last season and who scored 2 goals so far. You don't think NYR players did not know that Trouba was next? Player that makes $8 mil and plays on the 3rd pair, on team that needs cap room to even re-sign it's own players, let alone getting roster help?

punch, why? Why does it mean that a complete rebuild is needed? Example, if Butbrothers are traded, you mean to tell me that for $15mil in cap, you can't find a pair of $4 mil 3rd line tough as nails players that play heavy game and a pair good d-man with size for around $3 mil each? Regardless it is via trade or via UFA route? Or if Feeses, JBlow, Smithy are gone, a better replacements can't be found to play on the 4th line? Team essentially needs a checking line and a 4th line. You have top 6 players in Trocheck, Panerin, Lafr, Kappo, Chytil and Cuylle. D core needs work, but clearing out Lindgren $5 mil helps to bring in couple mi-range vets to play with Miller, Fox and Jones. If Miller is a problem, he can be gone as well, but he is traded, he will bring back value in NHL talent. You don't need a trade everyone on the roster. That's said, problem will always be ZShit, but it's on Drury to make impossible, possible. So far he found ways to trade salaries of the player most though would be impossible to move due to their cap $ and NT clauses.

Andrei take it for what it's worth.this a a mutiny by most players for the Goodrow and trouba treatment plain and simple..as long as the core is here they not playing..... Drury can't make a trade to save his life.....hasn't found a winger for how many years since he threw buchy away.....

Not for nothing, but you do understand that throwing out the "all the garbage," even if you're able to arrange for that, automatically commits you to a five year re0build. At minimum. And thaat must include dreadful seasons to position yourself in the lottery merry-go-round. Sound familiar?

rf4l, I put plenty of blame on Lavi, and I absolutely want him gone, but at the same time, blame has to start and end with players. This why this core needs to be nuked and all the garbage needs to be taken out. Where I would start blaming Drury is, if nothing will be done with/to the core and similar roster is back next season. That's a chair re-arranging on Titanic and Drury would be owning it.

Just look and listen to this non leader…. https://youtu.be/AQcanHQ7Jmg?si=k23XOuVeMzviRdyi

Mf steps one and two are lardass and drury. Then let the new regime make the decisions. I’m willing to bet you would see the team come back together.

1000% disagree where the blame is for this shit show that are NYR now. For starters would like to hear what moves Drury could have done over the summer with no cap room. What salary should have came off and what player was available that would have maid this team a cap winner? Not trade Goodrow? No problem. No Carrick and no Smith, fine. Who would play on the wing with ButtBrothers? Can't be anyone on the roster since no one was able to play with them. Who? There was a room for 800K player and that's if JBro was waived. Now, Drury could have fired Lavi month ago. How that would have fixed whatever physical issue Fox is having that he literary went from Norris candidate to sub-par average d-man in NHL? Would a new coach had fixed what fuck is going on Lindgreen? That's a top pair on NYR. Take a pair off any NHL roster and let's see how many games that team would win? So Drury is to blame for that? Let's blame Drury for having Kreider's game gone off the cliff? Is that what we are doing? Or ZShit going from a very average season offensively, but a strong defensively, to a season where he is a liability on ice in matter of month??? Drury is to blame for that as well? I could see where you can put a huge blame on Lavi for his lineups, PP and playing time. That's where the team that have struggling players is clearly creating a divide in the locker-room over vets playing time and limited options for the kids. I'm all for firing Lavi. He absolutely deserves it. Sure, new voice could help. But how much? At what point, blame will go players that 100000% deserve the blame for their play, regardless who the coach or who the GM is? At what point questions start with "WTF is wrong with Kreider"" is that a back injury? If so, WTF is he doing playing? This is not playoffs, no need to be a hero. So it is either you are cleared to play by team's physician, or you are hurt and need to sit to get better. So if it is not a physical problem, then it must be his game and his motivation. That's on coach. If he can't motivate a player then that player needs to be in the press-box till the message is heard. If that does not help, trade is the next step. But you have to start with benching. if Kreider is out there playing 18 minutes a game and all he does is skating, it's not on Drury, that's on Lavi and Kreider himself. If Lindgren is sticking out the joint, but he is out there playing 20 minutes, that's once again on the coach and the player himself. If GM was fired every time his team has struggling players, there will be a new GM every few month. Why don't we see it? If this core is about to get the 4th coach in 4 years, maybe it's not just coaching or GM? Maybe problem is the fucken CORE???

Is Kakko gone because there were 5 others hat should have been benched before him. Next game play Mancini over Lindgren he is a dog

I turned the game off when it got to 3-0…and I very rarely ever do that but it’s been too much bear lately! But, I tell ya what…after coming here to The Wall to get an honest read on the how the remainder of the game went, it’s a good fucking thing I turned it off. Because if I would have seem Kreider & Zibanejad on the 6-on-5 while Cuylle sat, I’d probably be having to buy a new TV right about now because my foot might have gone through it! WTF is it with these hockey coaches and their bid damned predictability regarding vets? WTF have yiur vets done for you Laviolette,m you fucking idiot? GEEZUS!

Didn't watch the game, just caught up on the Wall-Paper. The Traderator is locked-n-loaded, Drury Needs to Go, "we" need to be in charge of the trading. The first one needing to go is Zibanejad. Might have to package him with another player to get a trade done, but my untouchable list is: Laffy, KaKKo, Panarin, Trochek, Cullye, Schneider, Mancini. I'd like to keep FOX, and at $4mill I'd keep K'Miller...... That means: Zbad, Kreider, Smith, Chytil???, Vesey, Edstrom, are all available as are: Lindgren, Jones... We may be able to retain Chytil, but I think he needs to be on the Wing.

Well a snoozefest and odd man rush extravaganza until the second half of the 3 rd period. There is zero defensive structure, and why they insist On having defensemen at the top of the crease constantly is beyond me. That was one weak ass line,up.

Better effort. Can’t believe Zbad was out there with empty net Mackey played better than Lindgren. Berard is a keeper bring up Othman and Syroka at least they would give a shit like Cuylle tonight.

Getting a coach and a gm is a process like grieving… lol…analyze this analyze that .

Stevie and others - I agree. Not having those 2 kids that scored out for the last shift was an abomination. Even if I thought the odds were lower, so what, THEY JUST FRIGGEN SCORED. And the messaging is priceless. Give them a shot! This is a shitshow. Blow it up.

my 6 at the end... Trochek ( fo's) Laff, Cuylle, Chytil, Berard and Fox... z/k sit on their assess and watch.. unf'in unbelievable that at least Cuylle was not out there

Let DD share the rope with lardass , they can hang themselves together. It’s not the players except for a few , but the coach is deaf dumb and blind, and so is his boss.

Hospo - trades of leaders? What trades? What leaders? IMO, DRURY hasn’t traded enough. Not sure what you are talking about.

Maybe John Davidson was right after all, there are no shortcuts to the Stanley Cup.

Sjw. I was thinking the same thing. Berard and Cuylle score. Goalie pulled and they're on the bench for Z and K. A microcosm of Lardiolette's coaching philosophy and exactly why he needs to go.

They didn't get one powerplay in the game. They didn't deserve any because they fucking sucked again.

Keep up the good work coach, hang yourself . Dd gave you the rope and you are using it.

Signs of life.... and finish with the kids that got u back in it .. sittin on the f'bench .. that in a nutshell speaks volumes of what is wrong.. .. Fox blocked shot and Trocheck passes the puck out of the zone.....

10 minutes of life iaagaist a team that got back to St. Louis about 4AM!!!.. The Coach and GM need to go..start with the clueless coach...TOMORROW!!!!!!!

Way to go coach. It’s better they lose because the coach insists on playing 6 guys for over 2 minutes to end the game and hopefully his tenure. Leave the 2 guys who scored to watch from the bench.

Geeat coaching. Sit the kids that got you back in it. Lets go back to zbad Asshole

Gld to see CUYLLE and BERARD rewarded for their strong play with placement at the start of the 6 on 5!! But nooooooo...ZBAD..and little commotion in front of the net... I'm so fucking done with that FAT FUCK

Lolol. Goalie pulled. Z and K out there. Of course. Chytil there cuz no P. Lololol.

Rhet. On Kreider. Don't buy it. Unless he's had back spasms in and off his entire career.

CUYLLE!!!..the only worhtwhile player every game all year..Can they ply 12 good minutes and get a point?

LIMBO - Ya know, it doesn't matter what DRURY thinks..it matters what he does..Just look what he has done the past two years...utter incompetence at the deadline, in FA, hndlling trades of leaders, and anything else....And if he doesn't/didn't think this team was a CUp winner after it made the ECFs last year, and I agree) why the fuck didn't he do anything besides resigning Ruwheded..trading for SMith and signing a Carrick ....all steps down from the previous year...DRURY s where all the problems start..so yeah, it will be entertainment in the next few months

Limbo he has messed up a good regular season team that makes the playoffs. He has no real drive to win the cup.

Stevie - I can’t get inside DRURY’s head. But if I were to guess, pure guess mind you - he believes that this was/is a pretty good reg season team. And I think most would agree with him. But, he more importantly thinks this team isn’t winning a cup with these vets. To me, it’s more than obvious that he thinks this. Regardless, I am infinitely curious how he handles this. Like JFC posted, this is tragi-comedy stuff. Pure high drama. Yeah…the hockey sucks. But, for good ole entertainment, we’re all getting our money’s worth, lol.

Buffalo with 10 game losing streak. I wonder how the rangers could get thompson and greenway.

So this basically same team got over 100 points the last 3 seasons with 2 different coaches and now they need to be traded. Makes sense with little logic. That’s because drury wants to stick with his coach and blame his team.

KIS - LAVI needs to be gone tomorrow..as does DRURY, but that won't happen...but axeing Laviolette is the logicl next step...No confidence that DRURY will make a single good deal especially after the value of all the players are plummetting..

Hah. for the first time all year I listened to Smug Douche Valliquette..Gotta say, he was spot on (without laying blme) but i was laughing my ass off because he was also describing not only how bad they re playing but also the type of game this years Rangers only likes to play..fun play, skating, no checking, no grinding......All goes back to the coach and GM for 18 players playing the same way THIS YEAR

No matter how you look at it, lavi needs to be gone. Once he is gone then start to move players. Anybody else notice , kreider doesnt see every player off the ice. Now ots trochek

JFC -Yeah, that's part of it, I agree..The leadership is non-existent or incapble for This team which is in a shitty , shitty place... but it's up to the GM and coach to know their team instead of destroying it with their moves, mchintions nd management...ANd while your narrative might work on on the core leaders, what is the reason for LAFFY playing like shit? for SCHNEIDER? For LINDGREn? For Cuylle, Chytl, Kakkao playing worse,,,,Fuck, for 6 others...?

LOL. DRURY may get the axe from this. Icing a team with 4 AHLers on the back line is reason enough. But, it didn’t start tonight. We can all thank him for at least accomplishing this much - he gave these morons just enough rope to hang themselves. This core is pure baby poo. They were never winning a cup. This is now a metaphysical certitude. And isn’t that the point of all of this? Trade them all. Every single one. Now. Why LINDGREN is still here is a crime against NYR fans everywhere.

On the bright side, ZUSELESS with the least amount of ice time of any Ranger..but even tht doesn't help!

Here’s the problem…Rangers leadership is a bunch of fucking pussies…all too sensitive, too worried about PERSONAL GRIPES instead of manning up, putting their head down and WORKING THROUGH IT! Zibanejad is probably worried about Kreider getting traded…how could Drury think of such a thing, after all the years the Bromance Bros have been hugging each other and ignoring their right wing while they play their own brand of hockey! And Fox….oh. poor Foxy…how could Drury even THINK about trading Lindy? They’ve been best friends and room mates since their teens. So what if Lindy is coming up on UFA status? You can’t trade Foxy’s best bud! How can Fox be expected to give 100% when he’s so worried about his friend? We all need to understand how HURT the Rangers are by mean old autistic Chris Drury, the man with no feelings! It’s not fair to millionaire players to not make them as COMFORTABLE as possible so they can slowly take their time coming to grips with the horrible slings and arrows of such a difficult life! For fucks sake!

Yeah, Sam and Joe, blame every single player but not what that Fat Bastrd behind the bench and Nero Drury the GM have done to the entire team

Blues casters commenting on the sloppiness of the Rangers.. just giving the puck away ..at will

Ya think Joe? Yes, they never quit last year, never..but that was before Drury and Laviolette took an axe to the team's psyche and the locker room

Did you see LAFFY raise his arms like "WTF"?? Again, nobody is thinking..nobody is playing on a team..utter bullshit

Quick is no Shesterkin. He needed to play the shooter on that play and instead he stayed deep in the crease…against a known sniper. Everything that can go wrong is going wrong.

Wht the fuck was JONES doing there? They don't care..They don't think..they don't try....as bad s it gets...BITH DRURY and LAVIOLETTE should be gone between periods....but guess we'll wait until Lviolette is fired tomorrow.....ANd I guess the team loved the message sent to KAKKAO also...

But glad the Rangers, as lead by ZFLOAT and Kreider, are playing mad nd intense!!! Nobody freaking cares!

Every single player, including my faves like SCHNEIDER, ar plaaying like shit..Thank You Drury and Big Counrty! How many AHLers do we have playing on the ice?? Brodz, Mackey, Ruwshedel,Edstrom, Berard?

My god I want Drury gone! They have single-handedly ruined the Rangers because any young player has declined also! By allowing your veterans to stay in the lineup and continuously under perform, you’re basically saying it’s OK. And screwing up not trading Trouba an equally disastrous extent Lindgren This summer has created a massive hole in defense.

And LINDGREN, with his mind in the clouds like every Rannger, has degraded to an AHL player...

CUYLLE was and is more than just a 3rd liner..But What Drury and Laviolette have done to the team and the lines have degraded every single player...Holy Fucking shit..Edstrom just drove to the net for the first time in 13 games!!

Chytil’s big weakness is his tunnel vision…it keeps him from seeing open linemates and oppo players coming to smash him

I cant believe how bad some of these players are. Mackey and ruhedal are horrible. Berard and jones sorry just to small. Cullye is a hard worker but 3rd line player. Maybe second at best. Sitting Kakko os fucking stupid and im not a kakko fan. As far as chytil trade his ass now. He skates well but whst else. This team went from good to shit over night. What a shame

Not watching, but you know I had to peek at the score. What a shock, we're losing.

wow, see Ramsey and Fat Country have installed the Keystone Kop strategy for defense in the 2nd period

In any event, the treatment of KAKKAO or the KAKKAO assett is beyond criminal...He gets benched for things the core vets and many other young vets have been doing all year? Oh, my bad, Meeeka the Meek nd others are too sensitive..but not Kakkao?

Ranger47 - Spot on....TRying to choke down the bile and venom and not post..I am so fucking done with the laughingstock DRURY and LAVIOLETTE have turned the Rangers into...ANd so good for BUCH..One of DRURY's early signture moves, right?

Wow - so KK gets the shaft again. Shows you the size of Drury and Fat asses balls. I can count on two hands the # of players that need to be healthy scratched. Like holy crap, DD trading KK? If it’s too Dallas, or really anybody I’m nervous as fuck. You know he’s going to get bent over. Anything less than a young potential top 6 C with similar stats coming back would be a major loss. Who’s as nervous as me?? Can’t we scratch DD and fat ass?

You have to wonder what might have been the last 3 seasons if we never traded Buchnevich for nothing.

Fuck you Sam.."It's good to see Chad in the lieup.."...Bwahaa......From the best line in hockey for the first month in the season to reducing KAKKAO's value to that of a 5th round draft pick....gotta love it

Only players Dipshit Drury will deal, and of course at their lowest value, will be KAKKAO and MILLER

KAKKAO benched..DRURY and Laviolette continue to byrn this thing to the ground..Yet ZSHU, LAFFY, KREIDER, and others never benched? And an NHL tem with a piece of shit like Chad RUWHEDEL and Connor Mackey in the line up? And the lines formed by throwing shit agasint the Wall....Even if they win..as bad as it gets

ShoNuff: We feel our pain brother, but I don't want to trade KaKKo or Miller. Millers next contract might only be a 2 year Bridge deal. He's not worth more than approx $4Mill at this point in time, let him prove otherwise. KaKKo is literally a beast and will be a Top 6 for us, and dare I say a future leader on this team. all jmo naturall

Betting on blues all the way.....I want us to crash and burn otherwise Drury and lavy stay

That said, I’m happy to move KK, or ANY player for an upgrade. We get a C at about the same stats, age, skill, size, potential…I’ll drive KK to the airport.

drury has to get fired (wont happen) and need to replace our prancers and core ...good luck with both....

SHO - I completely get being frustrated that KK is not more than he is. But, unless he asks for it, I’m not trading him…yet. TBH - right now, he is probably an above avg 3rd liner. I think he could also be an effective PKer. As long as he isn’t overpaid, I’m keeping him. Now, he goes to the top line and the top PP and STILL has 3rd-line like O…I’m cutting bait.

The rest we can’t do anything about . Kreider Z and Panarin bought Laff and Kakko time as well as Miller . Nope

We needed one perennial all star and one borderline between Laff and Kakko and Miller to be top pair . Bye bye

Just get Miller and Kakko the fuck out of here . The franchise was built on giving them years to develop into all stars or we were fucked . Well…

There's no reason to fire Lavy or Drury "IF" they get their heads on straight. The issue is, "are the coachable?"

Gallant's still under contract, why don't they just bring him back? Nothing's going to change unless they fire or replace Drury. I'm sure whomever Dolan would replace him with would be ultimately worse.

"Same Ol rat in a drain ditch, caught on a limb, you know better but I know him" .......... :-)

Rangers in 1991-92: 50-25-5 (105 points) 1st in Patrick Division and 1st overall (Messier's first season and a Presidents Trophy). Rangers in 1992-93: 34-39-11 (79 points) 6th in Patrick Division and 19th overall (miss the playoffs). We all know what happened the next year. Anyway, I've racked my brain trying to remember what the hell happened in 92-93 and all I can recall is that Mess began feuding with Roger Neilson, who ended up getting fired and Leetch infamously broke his ankle after a night on the town. I'm not seeing any parallels as I desperately search for an explanation as to how the hell we find ourselves in this shithole of a situation.

RF4L - you are making my point. Not too long ago, a series of corps (G+W, Paramount, etc.) owed the Garden and NYR. What happened? What were the decisions? What were the results? Same old, same old. We talk about the core…as in the players. Well, IMWO, there is a more meaningful core at work here…that is deeper, foundational, and, it seems…eternal, lol. Yeesh, this stuff has me sounding certifiably Lovecraftian, haha. "The Thing cannot be described—there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order.“ Yup, there you have it - NYR personified. The most ancient and unimaginable. Just gazing upon it leads to madness. I think many here can attest, lol.

JFC - Hers's the thing..The stink of the core is a given right now...but even the kids aren't performing..LAFFY's all around game is shit...The Kid Line's play has also taken a turn for the worse..Jones/Boom Boom were abymsmaal...EDSTROM does nothign...The entire team is in a meltdown and disarray.....Mentally, they are not trying or executing..not even thinking about being a team...This is all DRURY's creation for the reson you nd I and others have mentioned...made 100X worse byy Laviolettes outdated approach and handling of players......The players can not dig out of this in the current environment..Unfortunately, I don't think that is just Laviolette..I think there is more "hate" agaisnt DRury....So yeah, if neither of those two go, 1 or 2 trades of KAKKAO or MILLER won't help...half the team has to go...and that really can't be done mid season...So, first action was to try and slog through it...FAIL...next action is to axe the GM and/or coach with some fine tuning trades...That's not done or FAILS yep...blow up the entire team...Hope IGOR loves that!

Does Drury let this fester until the Christmas break before throwing Lavy under the bus? They will be lucky to eke out one win against Nashville in this run of games.

A softer approach of bringing in the Cavalry: Bring in: BUF Samuelsson, NSH Lauzon, CBJ OLIVIER, SJS KUNIN, WPG KUPARI, possibly SEA Tanev.... These (fingers crossed) should not be overly difficult targets to attain. (IMO-naturally) Olivier, Kunin, Kupari are all RHS Forwards and a great age to meld with the upcoming core. Samuelsson & Lauzon are both LHS-D. IF Lauzon is unattainable, we can find someone else not named Zadorov if trading with BOS is too problematic. to be continued....

JFC. Yep. Said it a few days ago albeit differently: Time to let the young core take over the leadership of the team. If it meand trading Kreider do it. If it means pushing Z down the lineup (if he refuses to waive his NMC) do it.

And here’s why I think the two navel-gazers….Kreider & Zibanebum…are cracking: remember during the off-season when Trouba stated something along the lines of, “we all know that this is the last season that this core will be together.” Those 2 introspective, intellectual, sensitive navel-gazers are feeling overwhelming pressure and they can’t handle it. They are now in the process of MOURNING their lost glory years and the worse the teams performs, the more they feel the end coming….and the more they feel the end coming, the worse they play and the less their words hold sincerity in the locker room. And yeah, I don’t include Panarin In the “common denominator” theory for one simple reason…he’s not a LEADER and he never has been. He doesn’t speak English well enough to be effective at making speeches and he depends on his stats to be his leadership.

Limbo. One big difference between the 2 organizations is ownership. The Leafs are corporately owned with no single person I charge. Dolans on the other hand is or can be omnipotent. It's him for example who fired JD and Gorton. Then he had a refactoring president/GM in waiting (or thought he did). Who's in place now internally who would step in? Anyone? Ryan Martin? I've no idea. But if there's no one it means Dolans has to go outside the organization. Does he have the wherewithal to do so? Maybe he reaches out to Nob fir Life again for guidance? Ugh. Does he know and like Brian Burke? I've mentioned him previously. I'm not a fan but I'd bet he'd be all in if asked. At least Burke has the balls to make moves and not insignificant ones either. We shall see but staying the course likely means no PO revenue for Dolans and that can't be sitting well with him.

So now Rangers fans are gonna pretend that this core…this “leadership” group… disappear under Gorton & JD? This is a manifestation of Chris Drury’s making? Drury’s biggest mistake was giving Mika “The Meek” Zibanebum a no trade clause! Now, the only way to get rid of him is to create a HUGE controversy and likely getting less value if they manage to get rid of him. The only players who need to take the fall for this situation are the “common denominator” players…those whose careers were in full swing under Gorton, JD & Drury. We can argue all day and night if ridding the team of Kreider & Zibanejad will “solve” the issues this team is having but there is nothing else to point to…unless your contention is that every fucking coach we hire is trash! C’mon now….this shit makes no sense and we all know that! How can they go from what they were doing last season, to what we see now? Laviolette wears out his welcome? HOW? Explain to me how the best line in the NHL last season has dropped its level and is having a harder time scoring. What did Laviolette do to cause that? And think about Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko…why are they thriving? Is Laviolette coaching in 2 different practice rinks….one with Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko and the other with everyone else? Why would some players THRIVE while others don’t? Did you guys see that PP1 shit yesterday when the usual lackadaisically came back to regroup while down 5-1? It’s because Laviolette is doing something wrong? I’m at a point when I’m ready to blow this shit up and by blow up, I mean get rid of Kreider & Zibanejad. They are the common denominators through these coaches and the pattern we are seeing now keeps repeating over & over & over again! It’s NOT A COINCIDENCE! I don’t care if it means we barely make the playoffs or don’t make it at all. The Kreider-Zibanejad era…the Bromance Bros. Era…should be OVER! We’re all tired of seeing it, aren’t we? Success followed by DISINTEREST! No one on the team will challenge their leadership,or lack thereof so they all start playing to the level of their “leaders.” Are they wrong to do that? Yeah but it doesn’t matter why people follow their leaders down the wrong path….why a malaise develops…all that matters is that it does. Management can’t keep doing this dance…it’s time to change partners. New voices aren’t able to emerge until thr old, tired voices are silenced and GONE!

The time has passed for somebody in this orgnization to make a move to try and save the season...I have been pretty clear where i think the blame lays (Drury then Laviolette)..I don't expect a move today..but if you put a 2nd loss against the Blues tonight..in front of upcoming road games against desperate Nshville squad, Dallas, NJ and Carolina...well...the axe or axes have to fall tomorrow...But, leav e it to the Rangers to win tonight like their great game agsinst Buffalao...

Welp, the drama in NYR land continues. I’m bored talking about this core. That they have rolled over like insecure tweens tells me all I need to know. They will be gone soon enough. And yeah, can the coach, can the GM, can the owner. Here’s what I find interesting - the continuum of organizational behavior that transcends management, owners, and even time. Just look at the last signing of IGOR. It’s the latest decision that will doom this team for mediocrity for the life of its effect. How many dozens of decisions have we seen over the past 50 some odd years that are cut from exactly the same cloth, and will yield the same exact results, but oddly enough, done under vastly different circumstances and by different people and in different eras? It’s quite stunning in it’s consistency. The only other team that I see that has a similar DNA and similar results - our doppelgänger from the North - TML. Too big to fail and too big to succeed? Not sure we will ever know. Because, the simple truth….these orgs can’t change. Success was never the goal. They have achieved the perfect evolutionary step for survival. That is all they ever wanted.

ZBAD will never be aggressive.....it's that simple.heck even panarin at 170 is more aggressive..JD must be laughing along with Gorton, espo, Neil Smith, and all the others in heaven..hey it's more important to have the circus then a game 7 in our building..this joke of a franchise that we all follow religiously..we are paid back with their backs turned.

Columbus: Mathieu OLIVIER (Big thick RHS RW kid who will drop the mits) https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/o/olivima01.html

Wallsters, "The Traderator is ready when you are, unfortunately, the current core forced our hands out of the 'fine-tuning' stage and into a partial rebuild. Goodbye Meak-ahh, should have played a more 'abrasive brand of hockey,' because your next team isn't going to tolerate it.

Dolan can read and now sees we are 21st place, the Knicks are pretty good so that gives Drury somewhere to hide but the time is coming soon when Dolan will force Drury to do whatever it takes to make the playoffs. That’s scary. Drury might do something more inconceivably stupid than we could even imagine

Even Brooks doesn't take Baby DRUEY to task for his incompetence the past 2 years in FA and at the Deadline and in filling glaring roster holes in the organization....and especially his major role in ripping this team apart from the inside over the past year with his inept handlings

Add me to the list of the disgruntled. I have followed tis team with a passion for more than fifty years and I can not remember it being this bad. The house has caved in from top to bottom.

He can’t answer the question…. https://youtu.be/BVA7y0SH5b4?si=wXs0Q8fcq-GcEkmg

Rangers now sit 21st overall and get this: They are 6 points out of 29th overall. Yowsa!!

Lb a wall favorite…” The hierarchy has no stomach to fire Laviolette after firing Gerard Gallant two years ago and David Quinn four years ago. There is no stomach to affix the blame on yet another coach instead of taking care of the coach-averse core. But the season is slipping away. The leadership group has crawled into a shell. There is something lacking in the room, there is something lost in translation during the jaunt down the tunnel to take the ice. “…. I disagree with lb on them being coach averse. But if he is right about drury sticking with his coach, then he will rearrange the chairs on his version of the titanic. He’s the captain of the sinking ship that he keeps on course to hit the iceberg straight on. Only Dolan can fix this. The team has quit on both the no real solutions coach and the threatening empty vest gm. That’s called a leadership problem. From Dairy Queen to gallant to lardass there is one common denominator, captain drury who’s going Christmas shopping and then home for the holidays. Wednesday at midnight is the holiday no trade freeze. Which more than likely means that the same cast of characters will be here on January 2, 2025.

Man, I paid $700 for center ice seats to see these bums in Dallas on Friday. I’d rather stay home than drive 3 hours to see this shit in person. Sigh

There are rumors out there that Lou Lam could be in trouble with the NYI. Apparently, he also doesn't see eye to eye with Patrick Roy..... ALSO: In case you missed it, the NYI finally waived Oliver Wahlstrom and he was claimed by the Bruins.... He is now on the clock with BOS. Let's see how long before he get's waived again.

Elliotte Friedman reveals why J.T. Miller left: Frustrations boiled over with certain teammates.... https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/elliotte_friedman_reveals_why_jt_miller_left_frustrations_boiled_over_with_certain_teammates/s1_17459_41403457

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/game-day/the-rangers-are-spiraling-out-of-control-and-have-no-answers

NYStranger - Two different arguements...A team will only have a chance to compete if it is together and willing to fight to their fullest to win...This Ranger team does not have one iota of that in them ..Last years Ranger Team did......But it didn't have the horses or physicality to beat FLA, though i think they could have beat anybody else LAST YEAR...This year they don't hve the horses, physicality plus the chemistry and effort they had last year..If they had the Latter, they could compete and maybe add the former during the year..but that ship has sailed

MF - I don't give a hoot about Fowler..Rangers need a steady physical defensive D-man right now not somebody like him..exactly why DRURY tried to get Fowler in the Troubs trade...God, Drury is an incompetent asshat...

I know the feeling..I dumped the Mets, giants, rangers maybe next 50 years worth of 1 cup pretty gross.now this idiot Dolan, idiot Drury....

Vcp. Exactly. It's rather depressing. Next GM move could be the end of my interest...

Rf4l well then we have more fun ahead of us. Neil Smith....Mike Keenan lololol.....no idea....his assistant from Detroit.....Dolan behind the bench lololol

"E" The hits will keep on coming in Las Vegas. The Golden Knights have locked up punishing fourth-liner Keegan Kolesar, signing him to a three-year, $7.5M extension ($2.5M AAV). -- https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/12/golden-knights-lock-up-kolesar-with.html

Cam Fowler: (He's signed at a $4mill cap hit this season & next) https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/f/fowleca01.html

IIRC, Cam FOWLER is a LHS D'man. PJ, enjoy the game. -- St. Louis Blues President of Hockey Operations and General Manager Doug Armstrong announced today the team has acquired defenseman Cam Fowler and a fourth-round pick in 2027 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenseman Jeremie Biakabutuka and a second-round pick in 2027. -- https://www.nhl.com/blues/news/blues-acquire-fowler-in-trade-with-anaheim

Hospo, fair enough. But thee are those you look at last season and two season before that like some sort of measuring stick that the current team could match and beat. I just did not see enough from this group - the core especially - to believe they could somehow up their collective games to take the next step. That, and just the experience of being a long time Rangers fan. This organization has never been able to progress in any sort of predictable manner. Every year seems like a total crap shoot.

Vcp. I think Drury cares. He's simply incompetent. The Buchnevich trade was the start. The Copp deal confirmed it for me. He needs to go. The ultimate problem? Dolans. Who's he gonna replace Drury with? Brian Burke??

Look, I know the Stanley Cup is the ultimate goal. But what is pissing me off is the damn lack of fun it is watching this team right now. The last several years, they had bad stretches, but for the most part the team outperformed my expectations. I looked forward to watching this team. Even the first few games this year, watching the goalies steal games, watching Bread score ridiculous goals, the new kid line. It all just went away and it’s bumming me out. Something rotten in Denmark for sure, but this is beyond the pale!

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/12/bruins-claim-oliver-wahlstrom-off-waivers-from-islanders.html

NYStranger - BY close, I meant a close knit team that never quit on each other. They never did. They always came back. They were a TEAM! This year there is No team, no resolve, no chemistry, nothing...That's what i am referring too... No, they weren't built to beat FLA last year and that didn't change this year (and includes Wash and NJ now) but that's another matter compared to the total clusterfuck the team has become due to Drury and Laviolette

Oh and forgot how Lardy had to change his ways and stop relying on the same PP unit to save his bacon every game. Bench management, defensive system, etc. it is like no coach can control these players? They all say the same thing BS lip service crap in the pressers, but nothing changes.

Hospo, I get how the drop off from what we saw last year is precipitous, I don’t share the view that the team was THAT close. Or maybe a better way to put it, one seasons success does not mean a thing for the next season. That team played way above expected wins - if you believe the advanced stats. They had a great run, but expecting more out of the same group with only minor alterations was not logical. They obviously needed an infusion of PO style supporting players to balance out the fancy pants, to have any chance of equaling last season and then getting through to the finals, etc. BUT Drury did the exact opposite. He traded one of the best PO performers on the team in Goodrow, He sabotaged Troubas season, He added another skill guy to appease the Bromance, and really only promoted the Pre-season all-star Edstrom for a regular spot. Every move was at best sideways. All, I am guessing, so Drury could sign Shesterkin to the biggest and probably stupidest contract extension for a goal tender ever. So yeah they were two wins away from the Cup Finals, but really still very far away from winning a Stanley Cup. Now after this debacle has unfolded most likely as far away as we were before ‘the letter’.

Fire Drury, bench Zibanejad for life, send Lindgren to the ECHL, fill the roster with goons and make it entertaining at least

CM - I also had hopes they could somehow pull through this but it's too fucked up, too insidious to the entire team, locker room and nd the entire NHL part of the organization from the head down..oh and i just got a big laugh hearing Laviolette talk about how bad the Rangers were today after being soo good on Wednesday agaisnt Buffalo...What??? God this team is beyond repair

HOSPO- fair enough. Obviously this is a disaster. I’m ever the optimist so I’m going to hope they turn things around! lol, but I wouldn’t bet on it or hold my breath or anything! I’m going to the Dallas game next Friday, so thinking I’m going to get to see this crap in person. I’m thinking of cancelling trip to Utah in January. Was excited to go, but now it’s looking like throwing money away, missing work and sour my mood!

Oh and on HNIC, Elliot FRAUDMAN mentions how bad it is in NY and that DRury is open to trading KREIDER and listening on anybbody and anything but mentions the NMCs....So, my guess, DRURY is probably only open to moving KAKKAO and MILLER....which are mistakes in my book...when what is needed is a much bigger, bigger move (ZFLOAT? PANARINA?)..but the sacrifice of Big Country might have to suffice first..after the loss to the BLUES tomorrow night.....

CM - Thanks my man..MOstly old news...but.... totally misfiring (or afraid to say it) big time on number 1 and leaving out a biggie IMWO ..Anyways, yes, 6 and 7 are keys to this clusterfuck and why they don't play as a team or play fast or play tough...but Back to 1) ..the problem isn't that DRURY didn't address the personell problems early enough..the problem is that DRURY (and Lviolette to a lesser degree) have created the personnel problems over the last year and sunk the team......This team was as close as it could be last spring, never quit, always playing for each other..and it barely changed..DRURY's machinations threw a bomb into the locker room and it's a team that is totally fucked in the head from him and Laviolettes preferred treatment..Vince won't mention DRURY's role in this not the complete incompetence DRURY has shown in the total lack of Center and defense depth and in playable toughness...why i don't read him

HOSPO- he’s been critical of the team for a while. I like his stuff. I think he summarized things well and the quotes were interesting. I don’t buy that they don’t know what’s going on, but they aren’t saying it. Perplexing.

Here’s his take on social media. He’s not wrong: 1. GM should have addressed personnel problems sooner 2. D-men don’t move pucks well, skate well or defend particularly well 3. Mika has fallen off a cliff and Kreider is MIA at 5v5, making that line a non-factor 4. Forwards don’t forecheck or backcheck with any consistency 5. Team isn’t particularly fast or physical 6. Team has not responded well to memo and/or trade rumors 7. Coach has been stubborn with vets, especially D pairs That’s just off the top of my head. Most of it relates back to No. 1.

Vince with a good summary of the current vibe: https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2024/12/14/postgame-takeaways-ny-rangers-are-officially-a-mess-nhl/76960173007/

irawinw - you got me by about 3 years, but we feel thee same..Remember when Emile Francis put the entire team on waivers...Except for lie 4 players, not a bad idea now...OTOH, it's DRURY and LAVIOLETTE that need to be on waivers...God they have FUBARed this team!

I’ve been a Rangers fan since 1962 and post to this wall every once in a blue moon. To me, this is not a team; rather, it is a “collection” of rudderless players (to call some of them players is something of a reach).

Hospo= yup we unfortunately agree this team is done . ..and the kids will catch it

some one here lives in Houston I believe.... I am there now.... what's the best tex mex to eat

fuggg... you know there is Mutiny on the bounty when even topvoski is chiming in with his wisdom...Start throwing shit overboard fellas.... this ship is sinking. fast

And as a sign of how poorly coached this team is right now and how the players don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut and have flat out quit...is that in 3 of the last 4 games agaisnt a cupcake schedule the Rangers have given up 32 SOG....OTOH, That defensive machine of the DEVILS has given up less than 18 SOG in the last 4 games gainst pretty much the same opponents

Squirrel does his best NYR impression: turn on the volume: www.facebook.com/reel/228115961765333

I'm a masochist (as we all are), the first period live wasn't enough of for me, I had to just watch the rest of the game recorded..As expected, the disgrace and the embarrassment continued..I reiterate...Dumbass Dickweed Drury and Fat Country have destroyed this team for this year and years to follow...Drury has torn the team down from the inside the last two years and Laviolette has zero clue how to get anything form any player..ALL are playing as bad as possible......Obviouslly, DRURY doesn't go until SATHER speaks up or they miss the POs...so Laviolette needs to go today..But I'm not sure anybody can save this team with Drury in control., Then there is the players...You know what the worst part is? The Kids...Look, we all know ZBAD is an apathetic prancer who is inept at ES and KREIDER has seemed to quit and not care..and the pirouetting Panarin only wants to be pretty..Fox is a pussy..and LIndgren is decomposing....But the toll this is talking on the kids.....LAFFY is as bad as ever,,,The kid defensiv pair blows..EDSTROM is absolutley worthless....and all of the kid line have even been infected and their once great play is just a faint memory....THe effect on the kids is why all of the GM, coach and vet core have to go..Start wherever you want..of course, the coach is the easiest one to start since Dumbfuck Drury is in self preservation mode and nobody will touch the vets

“Ryan Lindgren was as frustrated as I've seen him after the game. "It's getting outworked, out-competed, losing those 50-50 battles. That can't happen. Turnovers, mistakes, those are going to happen inside a game. Those you can live with. But when it comes down to a 50-50 puck, you're competing against someone else. You’ve got to come away with those, and we're not right now. We’re too easy to play against, and we’ve got to be a hell of a lot better."

Wonder how DOLAN is going to respond when Drury's Rangers don't make the playoffs? The playoff money usually determines whether the team turns a profit or not and Dolan does have people he accounts to. This Ranger Team Sux

We're becoming the team that strikes fear into the league. Nobody wants to be the team to lose to us.

Top. Not sure what sites you're perusing but all of Fox K and Z are getting ripped here. I'm a Jones supporter FWIW but he was horrid today. Kept forcing plays that weren't there and turning over the puck. Of course he wasn't alone. Panarin did it a lot too.

Enough of baseball talk I want to hear only hockey.. Don't give a crap about Yankees.. this is a hockey place where we can cry and cry and nothing will change but it's our place to cry

It is amazing to hear a lot of you badmouth Jones. The kid made one blatant mistake since he started playing regularly and you all jump on him. When he does goofy shit because he doesnt try hard I will agree. But, a lot of players get a free ride for much weaker effort than Jones. Fox is slower that most guys in my beer league, Kreider dosent give a damn, Zbad lost all his confidence etc.

Punch I feel you are on the money. Might not be all of it but it plays a huge part IMO. If I as a fan felt they didn’t improve and even got a bit worse then sure as shit the players know it.

For the zillionth time, Drury must go (since the coach is basically gone other than showing up so the payments don't stop). This team played its heart out (and sacrificed its health--as all hockey players do) last year and just couldn't get over the hump. Again. Not only did Drury do nothing to improve their chances at a Cup as the team ages out of its prime, he DIMINISHED it with the shenanigans he played regarding his captain and another heart and soul player (Goody). And the team quit on him, because he quit on them. Yes, they are professionals-- vastly underpaid professionals by the standards of any other sport. But they are human. You don't risk your health to justify obscene ticket prices in a hard cap league that artificially devalues your worth, you do it for a chance to put your name on the Cup. Immortality is a motivator. Drury took that away from them. Now the team is taking away his job from him. I really think it is that simple, even on a subconscious level. No team free-falls like this without a huge psychological element to their collapse.

PJ. Agreed in Drury. He needs to find a coach willing to decide who plays where and when based on merit. That Z and K keep getting 1st PP and PK duty during this extended fiasco is unjustifiable AFAIC. Lardiolette won't respond find a coach who will (and back that coach). If Drury should get the boot...

Draft this kid: http://www.mynhldraft.com/2025-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Roger-McQueen

I am going to tomorrow’s game with my son in law and grandson…Both Blues fans…Should be fun….LOL

RF…I agree he hasn’t made the adjustments he should…I also hold players accountable first…I believe he will go and the next coach will fail to if Drury isn’t supporting holding players accountable…

MF.... In regard to the NYY(because who wants to talk about the NYR right now?): I've heard Bregman before but then we got cold on him. We also got cold on Walker because there were teams allegedly offering a 4th year and we wouldn't go that far....Bellinger is still in play but the NYY's got cold feet on the deal because they want the Cubs to pick up $10 Mil of his contract and the Cubs refused. We'll see how that goes.... The most recent rumor I saw was the NYY's being hot after Santander, but that has also cooled off. They're likely using some of these guys as leverage against other players. Anyway, stay tuned.

What I saw today is a team that’s quit. And usually a coach pays for that even if it’s not his fault. 3-friggin coaches and all of them this team killed. At some point it’s the team. I don’t think it’s a panic but the ones who could pay the price the most are probably not the guys that should pay the price for this. I went to a kings vs. Devils game. The next day the Devils fired their coach. Wonder if the Kings did the same to Laviolette

PJ. I don't. Why? Because he's refusing to make any roster adjustments that might upset the veterans. It's gutless and is enabling the mess. I sure hope Drury is feeling the pressure even more.

Been around long enough... not even close to being a PO team right now.. so my emotional investment is zero .. until they start playing the right way .. and if it doesn't happen at all this year .. then so be it.. ain't losing sleep over this mess..

Laviolette has no answer…Almost felt bad for him in postgame…He won’t survive road trip in my opinion…

https://nypost.com/2024/12/14/sports/rangers-igor-shesterkin-pulled-after-five-goal-start-vs-kings/

Andrei- I guess, but I still felt like they played a little stronger defensively.

9 losses at home? 9 games giving up 5 or more goals. Has the dust settled for drury between his ears?

No trade can help this team. Players are regressing. Drury needs to get behind the bench but doesn’t have the guts.

What the team needs is a real good house cleaning and the highest possible lottery pick. 2025 is a bad draft, but there are some good players in the top 5.

Laviolette's 2nd season is looking like GG's 2nd season. If that's the case we're better off missing the playoffs than making them. That series against the Debbies still pisses me off!

CM, last season Fox had a Norris like season, Panerin had an MVP season, Lafr had a very good season, Trocheck had his best season. Add great PP and great goaltending, and a team won a lot of games. But defensively, they were giving away odd man rushes, breakaways. They just had a lot of leads, on a back of the great PP and the 1st line. Leads would force other team to play catch up, opening themselves for more goals against.

You know, I’ve always been supportive of Lav behind the bench but after watching him throw out the same crew for that last PP was just throwing salt into the wound . Their best line is sitting on the bench , and they are 3 kids that would love is be out there instead of those other assholes

The NYR's need to make a trade and bring someone in who isn't infected. Give the team a boost. Something.

I just don't remember them being this poor defensively last season. I know they won games they didn't deserve to based on goaltending and special teams but their structure wasn't this bad.

Said it before, as a coach you have the last change. Why this fucken coach insist on starting PP1 that will play against PK1 of the opposite team?? Why?? Speaking on PP1, Krider finally demoted to the 4th line, but there he was on PP1. Sure, reward him for the great effort..

MC…He thinks he has to keep playing them to snap them out of it….Too much time has passed…Drastic changes needed…Maybe a heart transplant…

Losing 5-1 and that fucking retard coach puts the same power play guys out there.

mf…Couldn’t disagree more…They are their own personalities…And if you believe our D and other underperforming players are doing poorly because of them I disagree even more…

If the organization doesn't care, neither do I. And maybe that's the one thing that will get Dolan's attention. No one cares.

PJ…..agree with you there on that point. Kreider is just out for a skate to pass the afternoon. He has no interest in playing hockey anymore. He’s the longest serving Ranger , he’s a big , strong, fast winger and he should be the one setting an example

KIS/PJ: I'm quite confident Nash got into the ears of Zbad and Kreider with his, "there's more to life than hockey" and since that time, "they play to NOT get hurt!" Trade Zbad & Kreider, the culture of this roster will do a 180. jmo-n

Amazes me that a team so lost in defensive play .. remains so good on the PK .. really ..

MC, you got 5 years on me but your two teams are also mine. I made sixty gallons of vino this year and it's still at least six weeks away from being ready. But I started tapping into it today...lol. Must be why I'm able to laugh this much today!

I am 65, been cheering for these fuckers for 58 years. If they don't fire the piece of shit GM and the lard ass coach today, I am done. My other team is the fucking Giants. Good think I have lots of alcohol! One more thing, If i ever run into Joe M, i am going to punch him in the fucking head. And Where is Wildcard? I am sure he still thinks this is a great fucking team.

Before this went totally south I and some others were calling for some hockey trades…Most said have to wait to deadline…Miller too good, Kreider will never be traded etc….Now wr have no leverage and have devalued many of our assets…

There. Valitwit finally hints at it. Leaders should be speaking up in the room. But when they are the bigger part of the problem how can they? Beyond hypocritical. And we come back to it. Gotta move on from the declining core.

Rhet: Yeah, I know Kenny is in high demand, but it's MSG!! Tell the major networks they can have the Islander guy....forgot his name....you know....the gut with the big fat round head!!! :)

Kis…Agree this is not a slump that they will snap out of…Going on too long and these aren’t close games we are losing…We get outplayed by a wide margin…

If i was drury id blow the whole thing up. I get rid of the coach and any and every player would be made available This is bullshit. The players cant thjnk they run the show. This group has done this to too many coaches. They dod it to Av to Dq gallant and not lavi. Smh. Thst Bullshit They get paid a lot of money to play a fucking game

jratelle19.... OOOOOhhh, I like that a lot. The only thing about Kenny is that he's very in demand these days. I guess it will depend on how much he wants it.

Send Dickaletti and Giannone both packing. Maybe they can find work helping Sam with putting on his hair yamulka....lol

Rhet: Kenny Albert play by play. Dave Maloney color commentary. Keep Boilermaker between the benches.

So, next season, do you do Dave Maloney as the play-by-play and Boiler as the color guy?

Of course fighting isnt the only measurement....it's when you do it silly boy lolol.

VCP- I looked up both their careers. 7 career fights for Stamkos. In 16 years before this season. Kreider has twice as many. I’m not disagreeing with your assessment of Stamkos as a leader, just your statement that Stamkos drops the gloves and we have no one like that. We don’t know anything about leadership in the room, if fighting is your only measurement it doesn’t hold up.

If the team has wuit fuck them. Drury should just start moving the players. Ship them out. Its the players job to play. Its drury's iob to make the team the best he can. Too bad of they dont have it theor way. They sre paid millions to play. Fucking pieces of shot

Newfie: I'm with ya, pal! But unfortunately, high ticket prices has attracted too many bougie fans that lack the piss and vinegar of old time blueseaters. Booing is too much work. Years ago, in a game like this, we would've booed these players right out of the building. Example: my brother-in-law gave me his tickets for the last game of the season in April. His seats are front row against the glass in the 200s behind the net the NYR shoot at for two periods. I had this millennial two rows behind me get triggered every time I leaned forward sitting on the edge of my seat when there was a rush coming in our direction. I stood up and faced him and yelled "Listen, son...you don't shut the fuck up, I'm gonna stand the rest of the game!" Fucker never said another word.

Maybe lardass should plagiarize the la coach and play 7-11 , until dd drury fires him.

Rhet: "Must be because Mercury & Venus are in 'Rhetr0Grade!'" Ha ha ha ha, I make funny-punny. :-)

E, I hear you, but can we please put brakes on how "successful" Kings rebuild looks like? What they have won? Last time i checked, they have not gotten out of 1st round in 10 years. Would argue that Rangers by far had more success then Kings. Also would argue about Drury not addressing team toughness. If anything, players Rangers have being drafting have a lot coming with players you spoke off. Problem have always being with this current core.

This is disaster territory…Players horrible but Laviolette can’t last much longer…

Does Dreary Drury sit in a Ranger mgmt box? The MSG broadcasts never show it. Or him. By design I suppose.

RF4L- clearly we haven’t been humiliated enough. I wish we could get rid of the GM, coach and half of this gutless effin team.

Easy game for LA…Play good D and wait for Ranger mistakes equals a blowout….

Love the no celebration there. Appropriate. These guys should be ashamed of themselves.

We are going through one of those things were we play better on the road and play like shit at home.

Coach_Newf: IMO, the fans should all pick themselves up AND LEAVE!" It would be all over the news. That's a "grass-roots" effort!.

This is what needed to happen. To get humiliated on home ice. Something has to give. If GM and coach are still employed tomorrow…….

VCP: You're honestly going to go after Igor for what's taking place on the ice right now?

The fans at MSG should start booing now and keep it up till the end of the 2nd.........if things don't get any better in the third..stand up and leave. For once , I would love to see that ...it would send a clear message to the higher-ups and boy would it make the news ! Come on fans .do it !

Coloradomark was that in the past 5 years lololol or in the 19th century.....who started a fight today .....not kreider???

Lardiolette wants to be fired I think. Take his money and ride away in the sunset.

it is a massacre .. coach has to go ..team has quit .. this is like a scrimmage game for the Kings with non contact jersey's

Mf they need a goal and the extra point and should for for the 2 points extra point. This is football right?

Good news we have an 11.5 million dollar goalie that doesn't make a difference.ooopppsss there goes another one lolo

Okay, so I wrote that after an awful lot of merlot so forgive me the inability to be completely articulate but I think my general points stand. I suppose I think what irks me a bit and I’m guilty of it as well at times is jumping down wells and chasing fanciful ideas. But at the end of the day at present I think it’s not a big deal. Look at what Florida, Vegas, and TB did, and do that. Look at their rosters and yes, they are highly skilled teams but they have common trends. And then look at the Rangers and where are the deficits? I skip coaching because what’s the difference who is coaching if the mix ain’t right. And let’s be honest. All things being equal at what point has Drury shown that he understands it and is addressing it? I know the cap has had everyone by the balls and makes trades ridiculously complicated. But the cap is going up. And already I hear creeks of those who wanna talk that the Rangers need Rantanen to be signed this summer. It just is case study 11,000 of my life where everyone thinks that there is some sexy star player who is what they need to get them over the top. I’m so beyond this thought process and I find it completely maddening. Maybe for once the thought process can be: lets make a hockey team that knows how to win hockey games? Or in the meantime we can watch the Kings show us what a successful retooling looks like.

Leaders not leading. TROCHECK could’ve saved a goal with a smidge of effort. WTF happened to that guy?

Just blow this up. Fire sale. No pride anywhere to be found. Bring up all AHL players.

Mf- reading comp problem on my part- I thought you were suggesting both salaries! My bad.

Valitwit saying Igor has to drag his team back into the game. Gutless. Why isn't this on the coach and skaters?? It is of course but no one involved in the broadcast dare says it.

My god it's hard to cheer for this team right now ,the way it's comprised and the way they are not playing . I trust you older long time fans on here are seeing what I am seeing and hating itas much as I am ? The sad part ,I think, is that there is no easy ,quick fix to this situation.

Watched Kreider on his last shift when Chytl took the penalty. It looked like he was out there for a pre game skate. No effort whatsoever, outside of the occasional tip in pp goal he is essentially useless out there. Something has to give here, they have all given up

Z can’t even take a slapped anymore. NYS - you said it very well. It’s time to let go of what could have been and what might still be. 4 coaches and not much to speak of. This core just simply doesn’t have it. I recognized this awhile back, but last year had me thinking I could be wrong. I wasn’t. The second issue and maybe even more concerning, is Drury’s inability to GM. He flat out Sucks. Sather part II. Can’t make a good hockey trade, or any trade for that matter. Only his drafting record stands up somewhat, but none of those picks are materially contributing….yet. It’s time to offload the vets and retool/rebuild this team w/ a younger group that has more bite/anger/physicality WITH talent. I’m not talking about goons. I’m talking about Cullye’s. Lastly, we need a coach. A younger visionary type coach with a proven track record lingo for a shot. Like the Caps coach, etc. SO much needs to change. Core vets, GM, and coach

Cmark: I believe this is the post you replied to: Cmark: "Grass-Hopper" :-) I previously posted the Zibanejad & Lindgren with us eating 50% (the max) of Lindgren's salary to even the trade dollars. Lindgren is in the last year of his contract, so we'd only be eating salary for this season. The return, Zacha & Zadorov, sprinkle in the details to get it done. I think that Z'bad might accept Boston as a landing spot, but it's guesswork on my part.

My kid is at his first game at the Garden. Said they don’t even look like they are trying out there. I told him this is what it looked like from 98 to 04….but this might be worse. What the hell has happened?

MF- if we don’t eat salary of Z I’m down. I like Zadarov. I don’t remember much about Zacha except him torching us last pre-season.

The young D looks like Shit..The kid line not playing well..EDSTROM is worthless....The virus continues to spread through the entire team....What do you expect when the kids see how little guys like Panarina, ZBAD and Kreids fight their way through the other team..The Troubs trade helped fry this team even more...Laviolette and Drury must go......That siad..I want to eat some crow in a few hours!!!!

have to appreciate the comical play in their own end... struggle at basic clears .. scramble just to push it out in the neutral zone so the Kings can fire it back in and it starts all over again

VCP - Fox on one leg is still a top 20 dman. On two, he’s top 10. He is the literally the least of NYR worries.

CMark: Not what I was meaning to imply IF it read that way. We would NOT retain any of Zbads salary, just 50% of LINDGRENS for this year. IF it was a dealbreaker, we'd have to look at an excell spreadsheet to see how retaining $500K to $1mill (maximum) per year of Zbads contract in addition to the 50% of Lindgren. IF it was to help us get a draft pick in return, maybe.

TD: The short and direct answer is, "you don't replace Zbad, we move on." WE roll with a less talented Center, with 3 lines which are more black N blue. The first order of business should be to break up Zbad & Kreider onto different lines. They couldn't even contour their game to include an experienced veteran RW like Smith. Fuck Them! They had their chance, the 3 of them should have been fast out of the gate and working together as soon as Smith became a Ranger in the offseason. Times up! Zbad and Kreider on different lines at Even Strength. Not doing so is where I point the direct finger at Drury and Lavy for not implementing it. How many coaches are the players going to burn through? Want to call for a scalp? It should be Drury's. BOSTON, are you interested in ZBAD, because MF is interested in ZADOROV. We can offer LINDGREN to plug the hole left by Zadarov, and you can offer ZACHA to plug the hole left by "his Meakness." Add in some peripherals if need be to even the mother out, and I forgot to mention that we'll gladly retain 50% of Lindgrens salary for this year. Seattle, Smith and ??? for Tanev? WPG: What do you want for KUPARI? Get Zacha & Kupari and all of a sudden, we have 5 centers. That would really suck, NOT! Zacha or Chytil to a Top9 Wing with Carrick & Tanev filling 2 of 3 slots on the 4th!?!? with Edtrom/Berard/Rempe rounding out the 4th. That's Playoff Style Depth IIRC. So, what to do about the Defense? BUFF: What do you want for SAMUELSSON? IF we haven't traded JONES yet, maybe we keep him, maybe we trade him... IF Samuelson can stay healthy, we'd have Samuelsson on 2nd or 3rd pair LHSD. Zadarov paired with FOX to start as an experiment, and a warm body for the 3rd pair LHSD if Samuelsson can handle the 2nd pair duty. Trade the injured MILLER? Not really looking to but I'm fielding offers. Can't accomplish this all? Well, we can look to trade Kreider as well. We've got plenty to barter with. jmnshfo-snatcherally

Rangers heads (positioning, backchecking, chnges, coverge),even the kids, are not in the game..teamwide mindfuck and malaise points straight to the Coach and GM

NYStrnger - Z is the albatross because of his status, Laviolette and contract..but other plyers are competing with him..SOmething, many things needs to be changed..Have no confidence in Dumbass Drury

MF- I do t think the cap would work. We’d be trading an 8.5 cap hit where we retain 1/2 at 4.25. They’d take Lindgren at 3 for 1 year we’d add 4.75 and 5 m salaries for the next 3 and 4 years. Just don’t know if that gives us enough back at the cap hit.

Top line is clueless in their defensive zone....KK continues his good vision nd great passing. but....

Yes, we have to stop looking at this team by what they were or could have been and start looking at it as they are. Drury has to act now accordingly. This group will never get it done no matter who coaches them. That ship has sailed. Sorry. No mas! And by some miracle Drury can trade Z, yes that leaves a big hole at center. But he is no s #1C anymore. There would have to be more moves. I would look to also move Kreider for a really good physical D man and also move Lindgren before we get nothing for him.

Rangers no where near the level of the Kings.. remain standing still and 1 and done in the o-zone..

Unless you're in the locker room, you really don't know what kind of leader a player is.

Gotta love the D and positioning of that great two-way top line...not to mention Jones..

VCP- you are correct, Stamkos has three cups. Your comment about how he dropped the gloves just doesn’t work as he’s only done it a handful of times. His leadership is unquestionable. But you mentioned his fights, I was just pointing out that Kreider drops the gloves much more often so I don’t think that is an example of leadership.

It did not look like to me that Tro or Laffy were skating too hard to get back to defend that goal.

Not sure what one is flippantly talking about not trading overpaid declining pouting Zweep like he's still a number 1 centre. Get something for him before you have to include a 1st to jettison him.

Right now take your pick on who to pin the tail on which monkey. Wrong way druray is the head of the monster, coming in second place is lardass , third are the players who refuse to really play for one or both of them. With this clusterfuck just call up Rempe and take off his shackles. So he’ll get suspended, but until then he can do some damage and maybe wake up the players. The top two are the dynamic duo pos who only care about themselves. They are the cancer culture who continue to prove that they both should be gone. While the players are a work slowdown to expose the duo. The proof is that almost none are playing close to their usual level. They have the flu flew. I hope this comes to a head sooner rather than later.

While I don't disagree with E...the Rangers COULD use someone to stir the drink...The problem here AIN'T the personnel as much as it is the overarching team philosophy. There needs to be a buy-in. As Shorsey would say...it's not that they don't want to win, is that they don't hate losing...LAST SEASON, they hated losing. It was so fucking clear. They would go down a goal and then storm back. This season? They go down a goal and it's like the game is over. It's like they listen to the bozo announcer saying 'the Rangers are 0 and blah blah blah when the don't score the first goal...' So yeah, a LOMBERG or GOURDE type wouldn't hurt...Shit, there are a dozen or so guys of that mold they could get and not pay much for them either...but it ain't gonna change culture. That needs to happen at the top, and they just traded away the guy who was most apt to do it.

I'm not sure which roster all you folks are looking at as you're flippantly talking about trading away ZIBANEJAD...How, exactly, are the Rangers going to replace him in the lineup? Is the suggestion that they should move CHYTIL into that spot? Because if I need to tell y'all the issues with THAT concept, you haven't been watching too closely this season...But lets say...for argument's sake...that The Amazing Kreskin strolls in and tells us Fil will be healthy for the rest of the season. We now have SMITTY Jr.-CHYTIL-KREIDER...the PANARIN line...and you know who our third line center becomes? Yeah. BRODZINSKI. I guess they could promote GROULX...but are you getting the idea here? I don't, for one second, believe DRURY would do what mf suggests, which is get ZACHA...but again. You're putting a guy who is barely holding down third line center into your first line center spot...Even if you think Z is done and a pussy and whatever...the fact of the matter is he's either the second or third best center on this team...frankly, I think he's the BEST center, with TROCHECK a close second...but again...if you're moving Z, you're essentially ending the 2024-25 cup contention, because there's no center coming back in that deal...or coming period...who would replace him...the closest we could possibly come to a situation like that would be to hope Vancouver really does want to move on from JT MILLER...or that Nashville would swap STAMKOS for him...That's it. Full stop. Ever other scenario? The Rangers are getting worse...OH...and did I mention the only real prospect at center that MIGHT be NHL-ready is LABA, and he's not even signed to a contract...

Figure out who are the worst of the bunch….https://youtu.be/XCFzX6yZHAc?si=RQduC2hqSr4Tposa

Coloradomark in this case your completely WRONG.....kreider ain't no leader , stamkos has cups besides between his legs..... although he may be past his prime as of now. stamkos over kreider any decade.

Damn, The "E" fan-club is stepping it up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZLgsDRUv4

Preach on E. Hallelujah! On another note, why the f can’t they get Matt Robertson into a single game? This is the perfect time to see how he handles it. The needless mindfucking of this kid is shameful. Trade or release him already.

Cmark: "Grass-Hopper" :-) I previously posted the Zibanejad & Lindgren with us eating 50% (the max) of Lindgren's salary to even the trade dollars. Lindgren is in the last year of his contract, so we'd only be eating salary for this season. The return, Zacha & Zadorov, sprinkle in the details to get it done. I think that Z'bad might accept Boston as a landing spot, but it's guesswork on my part.

I think hoping to trade Z is a pipe dream. What crappy contract would we have to take back to trade him? Obviously he is struggling but people think some team is going to take him and give us back draft picks or prospects. I don’t think there are many teams that could handle his cap hit. So we take half his salary? Do we want half his salary cap hit to not play for us? And which of those teams would he waive his NMC for? I know people think Drury can force them to accept a trade but players negotiate that clause for a reason. I just haven’t seen a realistic trade proposal that works for both teams. We also tend to think other teams place value on guys we dismissed, as if it’s a big secret and other teams won’t know this player sucks!

RDW: He was recently recalled and in first game scored a goal. 6'7" 220 and mobile. What would a package of Z (probably with some salary retained unfortunately) and Miller fetch from them? I know many will balk at paying some of Z's salary (I'm thinking 1/4) but the Stars don't exactly have tons of cap space and have to think about how much Miller will command this summer. Given his crappy year, at this point not nearly as much as he was probably envisioning a year ago but I'd say at least $5,000,000. That said, the Stars have Jamie Benn's $9,500,000 coming off their books this July.

RF4L: Exactly why I posted a link to Lian Bichsel. Would be great if he was one of the players to get back from Dallas.

Lian Bichsel (somehow, I'm having a flashback to someone named "Lias") - 2022 NHL Mock Draft Scouting reports: http://www.mynhldraft.com/2022-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Lian-Bichsel

Rhet et al: https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/yankees-preparing-full-court-press-to-sign-all-star-infielder-per-insider-grant9

RDW. I speculated last week about Z going to Dallas because Seguin who makes more than Z is out for the regular season. Do it Drury!!!

RF4L: I tend to agree with you but my hunch is that Drury is going to continue to try to move him no matter what. I think Dallas might be a good landing spot for him. Does Z finally give in and accept a trade? We'll have to wait and see..

RDW: and to reiterate, Zianejad & Kreider have good trade value, the value could be better and may be off their peaks, but the perceived and actual value is still there. Thank ou for your service, seeya! :-)

RDW. I think it's wishful thinking when it comes to Z being moved. Maybe in the off-season if the Rangers don't make the POs or get bounced in the 1st round? I think his Ranger life has to continue to be miserable all season for him to consider waving his NMC.

MF: I wouldn't be surprised if Drury is going to end up moving CK, Z, and Smith before the deadline. Lets face it, for how much money they cost, what they bring to the table, and their age, it might the perfect time to do so. With Perrault, Othmann, and Berard waiting in the wings maybe he tries to find a younger, gritter center to pivot the 3rd line. I personally like the Trocheck and Chytil lines as they are right now. Getting the right mix for that 3rd line will be key in making this team harder to play against.

VCP: Stamkos has fought 7 times. He’s fought Marchand, Alzner, Malkin, and three Rangers: Buchnevich, Zherdev and Lafreniere. If that’s your definition of leadership, Chris Kreider has fought 3X as many times.

Would love to pry this guy away from the Stars..... https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/665087/lian-bichsel

Meant to imply "this season." We're already 1/3rd into this season, times a wasting.

This organization needs to make significant moves if we are to compete, and even if they do, I don't see the NYR's pulling together to a degree to go to the SCF's. Want to change the culture of this team? Unfortunately, one or two of the cornerstones this team's current identity need to be traded away, addition by subtraction. That would be MEAKAH & or KREIDER. There's no sustained venom in their game, periodically we get a flash of intensity in a shift, but rarely back to back shifts, or even an entire period.

vcp1994: Trade Fox, that's OK, we need to retain one of the best Defenseman in the league. Put the bong down, maybe try the crack pipe. 1/2 full ?????

E......NJ may have got the memo but they did not understand it ,or read it properly. Their last game against the Leafs ,Pachoretti completely laid out their little superstar Hughes with a check to the head that could've ended his season. And the only thing happened was Doudie Hamilton skating in to the rescue and kissing the Leaf player on the cheek.LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,.just sayin'

I’d like for once if the Rangers could buy a clue and understand that a team needs grit to succeed—especially in the playoffs. They’ve been so focused on skill for so long that they’ve ignored the importance of adding players who can bring that edge. But grit alone isn’t enough; the game today also demands speed, and that’s why I covet players like Ryan Lomberg. Guys like Brandon Tanev, Nick Paul, Hathaway, and Mathieu Joseph are exactly the type of players the Rangers need. I could go on and on. Barbashev, Crouse, Lizzie, Gourde. All different size players but They bring a perfect mix of tenacity, speed, and physicality, and they thrive in the hard areas of the ice where games are won and lost. These are the players who change the identity of a team, just as Tampa Bay did during their Cup-winning years. The Rangers need to wake up and realize that adding players like Lomberg, Tanev, or Hathaway is what they lack. It’s not fights, it’s not even hit numbers (subjective) these guys are all quick to very fast. They push the pace constantly. And lo and behold they make room for your star players to be effective. What is so to have a rangers team that employed a group like Mcnabb, Roy, Kolesar, Hague. They are what brings the ferocity of Vegas out. I think you mixes in that group with this NYR team and they’d be scary. Clearly the Devils got the message over the past few seasons because little Hughes and his bunch. They got Mecdemind for Rempe pure and simple. Useless in my eyes. But Pesce, Dillon, Cotter. Yeah NJ got the memo.

E - Spot on with those last two posts! I look at this tem and it is getting further and furhter away from the type of team needed to win the Cup..And that's all on DRURY..Why I don't want an obviously Talented PINTO

E stamkos got into a fight a few times during their cup years. He did whatever was needed. We don't have leadership like that.

League has figured out fox , fox hasn't adapted? Trade him he is too slow and small anyway... Besides mancini, Schneider, kakko, trouchek, cuylle , maybe edstrom. Trade the rest of them.

Stranger: you can look at TB for those years. Their top-6 weren’t axe murderers. But the bottom-6 were rough. And their defense was a great mix of skill and physicality. That’s what I don’t get. TB wins a cup on the back of such high flyers like Coleman and Goodrow.

As an aside- I pretty much lost interest in baseball after that season, and after they fired Girardi, just to hire this jerkoff Boone. It was because of him, blowing out his knee in the 2003 off-season that I had to endure 10 plus years of fucking A-Rod on the Yankees. I have been a lifelong Yankees fan, much longer than I followed hockey, never mind becoming a Rangers fan in my teen years, and I have mostly stepped away from that team and sport. I feel the same about to happen with the Rangers. Only so much crap one can take before it is not worth it. Too much shit happening around the world, and hockey has not been the needed good escapism.

Astros are a pathetic, cheating organization. That asshat owner should have been forced to sell the team, and that 2017 world series should have been taken away from them. My god, after what baseball did to Pete Rose, they got off fucking light.

E I feel the lack of teamwide toughness/grit- As you say a style that is winning hockey- is by design. I can’t understand why the organization can’t see this and hasn’t for pretty much all my lifetime. Except for your examples. Seems so simple but must be totally alien to MSG management. They always like to talk the talk, but actions speak louder than words. All the gritty players that have come through the organization and just got marginalized, demoted, traded…just disgusting. Many having pretty good hockey careers on other teams. This organization always thinks that toughness means one knuckle dragger surrounded by the Ice Capades. Seriously wonder why I follow this team with such passion when they mostly do opposite of what I would like to see as my team. Must be a personal defect! haHa

Reportedly, the NYY's had a deal in place for Kyle Tucker, but the Astros Owner vetoed the deal because he refused to send him to the Yankees. Not a shocker, but I'm kind of surprised it got as far as it did.

Tuch is a better fit right now. Tuch plays fast, he is big, he has an edge to him. Hes capable of playing both sides and hes good at and in front of the net. He frees Zibanejad up to get in some holes for 1-timers. He would give a net front presence to a PP2. Ive been looking to fix that spot for years already. Ever since Buchnevich who plays a similar game but not quite as angry. But I still think the only language to be spoken to save this season is defensive-defenseman.

I’m so tired of the high flying Rangers. We had only a few iterations of mean down and dirty Ranger teams. One was the team from the early 90’s. Another one was Tortorella’s black and blue shirts. Lo and behold. They won a cup with one and went to the ECF under both. And arguably AV inherited that grizzled Tortorella team and went to a SCF with it. The rest of my life is an endless string of sprinkled in grit. Stock, boxcar, Domi, Langdon, Fotiu, Kyrpreos. But very few times have they had that identity. The winning identity. The identity of Vegas or Florida, or TB a few seasons ago. Or the LA Kings. The Blues. And those are just some of the latest expressions in the NHL. Almost never the NYR. It’s like they must fly in the wind against conventional wisdom and show everyone another way. And that way never works.

If it was my choice (and it's not) and I'm choosing between Cozens, Tuch or JT Miller. I would go with Cozens. He's another right handed shot and of similar age to both Laffy and Cuylle. Meaning he can also be part of the team now and the next gen. He should also be cheaper than Miller.

HOSPO: A lack of defensive depth and weakness at center has been a recurring theme for this team. How many seasons have we been saying this? It dates all the way back to their first trip to the ECF, when TB shut down any chance of getting to the net. The response back then? Nothing was done to address it. The issue isn’t a lack of skill—this team has that in spades. The offense is loaded. What’s missing are the quality support players, the ones who do the dirty work. And that’s what’s so frustrating: the draft build was supposed to be the hard part, the long and painful road. Filling out the roster with pluggers and muckers? That’s supposed to be the easy part. Yet somehow, here we are. It’s hard to understand what’s going on with Drury. What’s the identity of this team? What does he want? A high flying team? Then why bring in a coach who preaches the stingiest of all strategies? It’s like nothing makes sense. They’ve got a killer power play, and they can score six goals in a game. But they don’t have any real defense outside of Igor. And let’s be honest—you’re not beating Igor for seven goals unless you catch him on his worst night. And that seems to be the plan. But now, even the little defense they had isn’t clicking. The power play has cooled off, and even-strength scoring—always a weak point—is pedestrian. And the thing is, this isn’t a hard problem to solve. The players to fix it are seemingly always available. But here’s the reality: this is the final ride, the last hurrah for this group as currently constructed. Big changes are coming, likely sweeping ones if they stay on this path. To me? Just for fux sake someone just hear me in management. Get a couple of veteran stay at home meanies on the blue line. Guys who’ve been in 100 playoff games. Guys who play the game hard and honest. And when that defense gets more stingy a lot of problems will not be nearly as glaring. This team should not be on the bubble with the talent it has. With the goaltending it has. And with the offensive blue line it has.

Let's see, Dickweed Drury has left the team with zero meaningful depth at Center AND Mackey and Ruwhedl on defense???...but the coach and the players are the only problem???..Along with his player/transcation handling, Drury has been burning this team to the ground

Rhet: I beg to differ. What's going to happen is that the Boston Squad won't let him get away with his kum-ba-yah boool spit and he's going to get hurt. Just like Rick Nash got awa with not being aggressive on the offensive side of the puck here in NY, and then when he was in Boston, he had to up his physicality and boom, chalk up another concussion.

BTW I concur with those saying Fox's playing contributing to the Rangers issues. He had 33 turnovers last year. This year already 27! Add that to 1 goal when last year he had 17 and by those stats alone he's inexplicable struggling.

Personally I like MacKay. With Trouba gone he's arguably the meanest dman under contract.

Key should’ve been playing with Fox full stop. They were better than Lindgren. When Lindgren came back he sucked, Key sucked not paired with Fox and Fox sucks with Lindgren. Meanwhile, no defensive defenseman to be found anywhere.

OK, I can't stand BizzDOuche on Air..but gotta Give Bissonette some credit...Hockey players, except for turds like Pat Kane, are the best and sometimes baddest!

MF.... You know if we trade him to BOS, he'll bounce back and make them better. You really want to make the Bruins better, MF? :)

Mackey was recalled and is playing with Schneider. That's how much we think of Robertson. Just let the kid go already.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-bruins/2024/10/08/nikita-zadorov-boston-bruins-nhl-hockey-panthers/#:~:text=Zadorov%27s%20reputation%20precedes%20him%20after,intimidating%20skaters%20in%20the%20NHL.

BTW: I say Zbad to BOS because that is the only local team that I can see ZBAD accepting a trade to.

“They placed K’Andre Miller on injured reserve Friday with an upper-body injury.”

E - I think we are long past finding a RW for ZBAD for success at ES..ZBAD is the problem..no sense wasting the assets for a RW..Best we can hope from a Bromancer line is solid break even play at ES and strong PK/PP from both

E: I did some homework: KUPARI & TANEV are both rated as faster than the average skater. They are both players we can look to extend. Tanev brings a lot of intangibles we need, Kupari is a classic buy low acquisition, I see him penciled in between Cuylle & KaKKo and he's a fellow FINN for KaKKo. Chytil can Center Kreider & Tanev, or we can reconfigure, because if we can ship Meakah & Lindgren to BOS for Zacha & Zadorov, we can experiment with Chytil & Zacha at the Center or Wing position and slide Tanev down with Carrick and Bedard or whomever. Naturally we'd need Coach Lardo to roll 4 lines & really manage the TOI. SCHENN is a RHSD, IMO 1st & foremost we need a Schenn-Type that's a LHS. "RF" Wahtsa matta yu? Afraid to do something bold like "Win a friggin Cup?" We have the trade pieces to be bold, re-model, retool, rebuild on the fly, and compete this season. jmnshfo-snatcherally! :->)

I like TUCH a lot but we need more physicality on this team. Sandpaper should be a minimum.

Luke Schenn makes $2,750,000 and has another year after this. I've always liked this guy - he's got size, hits and fights but is a tad slow. That said, I'd take him over Lindgren right now.

This is the 2nd time Engvall has gone on waivers. He passed through the first time because Fat Lou gave him a ridiculous contract that no other team has any interest in touching. Wahlstrom is interesting but has under-achieved his entire career. He only makes $1,000,000 and will be a RFA this summer - I suspect he'll get claimed.

MF: get us Tuch. We need the big, fast RW for Zibanejad and buddy-boy. And I’ve always like Tanev. And get us Lomberg. Plus go get Luke Schenn now. We need the defensive defenseman veteran.

OLiver WAHLSTROM and Pierre ENGVALL on Waivers..Can we please pick up one just for DREW???

JFC - I trust your take on the Westchester/Putnam County and LI kids and it pretty much goes with what I've seen..ALthough Pete and CHris FERRARO were pretty spicy players for us..:)....My take on PINTO is just on what I have seen of him in the NHL..Don't like.....But agree on the CHYTL and KK take

I'm on the warpath today folks, here's the deal. Trade Meakahhh and Lindgren to Boston for Zacha and Zadarov "if" you fine folks feel that Zadorov is the kind of top 4 LHSD you'd want on this roster. We eat half of Lindgrens salary to balance out the cap hit, and we ask for something additional coming our way, maybe a 3rd round pick... We call up WPG, and acquire Rasmus Kupari, there's a young FAST rhs center who's wasting away on their 4th line, reclamation project... Next, hello Seattle crackheads, we have Smith and ?? for TANEV... Lastly, get LHSD SAMUELSSON out of Buffalo .. we just retooled and rebuilt and are ready for this year's playoffs .. What else is concerning you kids? :-)

Hospo - hockey kids from Westchester & LI have a culture where everything seems to be about flash & dash & being cool…I witnessed it first-hand as my son played out of Connecticut and played against many of these teams on LI & in upper Westchester County. They like the Michigan moves & dangling and the only time they hit is when they see a smaller kid on the ice or someone who is vulnerable….then they’re all tough guys. I know Zegras seems to fit the mold but I thought Pinto had more to him with his size and his ability to win faceoffs & PK. And yeah, for me it’s all about Chytil insurance because it seems to me it’s inevitable that he's gonna get hury again and probably at the worst possible time. Ae need someone who can play wing but is able to step in and play C. I think this is why the Rangers were trhing out Kakko at C. im hoping that KK can rise up in the upcoming tournament and then use that momentum to turn the corner big time when he comes back to the Rangers. If he coukd be the "in house" solution at C then Dury's job becomes easier. I'd rather think that way than yell FIRE HIM,& FIRE HIM and TRADE HIM & TRADE HIM & TRADE HIM like an NHL Don Quijote de La Mancha!

JFC - I am likely wrong but IMWO, from what I have seen of his play, Shane Pinto is not the type of player you want to target if winning in the POs in the next two years is the goal...If it's not. by all means, add him to the softies..I also think they should stay away from local kids...Damn, I wish CHYTL didn't have the concussion history, I love the way he is playing

A guy who I and TD have mentioned before as a good target for the Rangers is Shane Pinto. He just seems dead in the water up in Ottawa. There is no way a kid with his talent should have only 1 G 2 A and be -9 at this point! This is when you strike on a kid like this. He had 20 goals three seasons ago but since then his stats have tanked, he had that gambling suspension & now he seems like a devalued asset at only 24 years old. He’s still only 24-years old, and is listed as 6’3”, 201 lbs. Maybe getting back to his home state will shake him out of his doldrums. How much could Ottawa ask for him at this point with his stats and his history?

Seems to be some soft tampering here. It must be all Larry Brook’s fault. There was never a mention of names before lb caused all this trouble for wrong way druray. He’s a real pioneer in reporting. Where’s Eklund and the other rumor spreaders, what are they saying? Knick knack patty whack give the dog a bone.

Haha I thought you meant Dante FABBRO. Non sequitor, but many...think about what would happen among the New York Ranger fan base if the GM lost two first-round picks through waivers and both went on to be solid NHL players...FABBRO and TOLVANEN lost for zippo. TOMASINO lost for a fourth rounder. ASKAROV traded for a conditional first rounder. Talk about a team that knows not what to do with its top prospects...

Yeah Ryan is probably going to go top-10. Maybe even top five. He'll be an NHL-ready player by the time his draft year rolls around. Of course, the Rangers could very well be in the thick of a retool by that time too...

ANFSCD, Ryan Roobroeck, Dylan's younger brother, is 9th in OHL scoring but not draftable until 2026. His birthday is 9/25, meaning he'll be an older prospect in that draft but regardless, just 17 and climbing up the ladder. In 29 games he's got 23 goals and 43 points. At 6'4" and 200, he's gonna be a prize catch by some team. He's a left winger...

One guy who they could probably get for far less than one of the Ducks' high-profile kids who I think could be a good mid-line center is Sam COLANGELO. Big kid, physical. Very solid defensively, but I think he has a lot of unrealized offensive potential. He just turned pro last year, so maybe not. But just thinking they have a ton of centers.

Zegras was playing wing on the first line with Carlsson . McTavish has been playing center. So has Strome. McTavish would be a great get…….but I think Coach Cronin gets whacked before they would make a deal like that. Their first pair D was Trouba and Fowler last game.

We need a center for when CHYTL gets hurt and a big physical D-man.....KAKKAO and Lindgren + For McTavish and Troubs (they eat 4 mill)

RDW - If he's playing wing, it's because they want him in the top six and have our friend STROMER in there with CARLSSON. ZEGRAS is the guy I think they have playing wing.

McTAVISH being available doesn't really track with me...but the truth is, the Ducks are loaded up in the middle and I could see them moving him to fill another need...but TBH? I think if there's a guy they move, it'll be ZEGRAS...I see McTAVISH and CARLSSON as a perfect compliment at center. Less so with CARLSSON and ZEGRAS. Either way? If he's on the block, I'd ask the price. My guess, though, is that it's high. Very high.

RF4L: I certainly wouldn't mind getting McTavish but it looks like he's playing mostly wing, right? We really need to find a young C IMO

Dunno if it's true but Mason MacTavish's name is now apparently in rumour list. Go get him Drury!

Again, this team isn't going to improve by trade. Just not going to happen. Trades are for rounding out a group that is close. This one is about the exact opposite, struggling to best one of the worst teams in the league after losing to THE worst team in the league. The problem is behind the bench. LAVIOLETTE to a very small baby step toward a better approach yesterday, but it was also against a weak team. And his decision making...ESPECIALLY at the end of the game...was not exactly great. But we'll see...baby steps. My big problem with this guy is that he takes one step forward in one game(i.e. the Pens), and then two massive steps backward the next two games. Seems incapable of breaking his old habits of overplaying his top players. And it just destroys everything else he's attempting to do. So we'll see. My opinion? There's only two paths to getting back on track: first is for LAVIOLETTE to really take a step back and re-evaluate his approach...second is to fire him. There is no trade that will improve this team as it stands now. In fact, a trade will just make it worse.

Heard Trouba was on for first 4 goals against last night, but 3 were PP and must’ve been on for Cutter goal because +/- was even for the game. Not gonna be easier there than here for him it seems.

This chart is just a sin against NYR and Fox. I loved the Black Knight, but the past 2 years have been a disaster. All he can do now is bleed and threaten to bite your legs off, lol. End it now. https://x.com/JFreshHockey/status/1867231167335784639?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1867231167335784639%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

mf - Depends on how you define it, but short answer? No. PINTO is a guy who you'd bring on for your second or third line center. Good buy-low option...but again...Shitfuck Brooks kinda burned the bridge with the Sens. I strongly doubt you see the Rangers trading with them any time soon. Either they are butt-hurt or DRURY is butthurt or most likely? Both are butthurt. Good job, Brookstard.

Zbad is most likely not going to waive his NTC, especially if it's to go to Buffalo. I could see him maybe being sold on Dallas or Vancouver.

I think Cozens is very much what the Zibanejad line needs. Big body who plays the walls and puts pucks to the net. But he has wheels and I think on top of defensive defenseman the team has no greater need than speed. I love Bernard’s game though. The guy is a puck hunter. I also like the way Jones gets the puck and if there is no place for it he just throws it into space and turns it into a 50/50. I remember Chicago and TB did this all the time.

TD & anyone else: Do you think that OTT's Shane Pinto is or will be a Top Line Center? t/y

sjw - When the Sharks fired Dave QUINN, Lindy RUFF became the worst coach in the NHL. Like by a lot. Miles even. LAVIOLETTE during his most incompetent bouts doesn't hold a candle to this guy. He is trapped in an era of hockey that doesn't exist any more. I tried to tell Sabres fans this last summer and got laughed at. They were all so excited. It was like watching lambs to a slaughter...Simply put, the dude is inept. I don't give a fuck how many games he's won in the past. Him and QUINN were a magnificently awful tandem.

RF4L - I was gonna say. COZENS looked very pedestrian last night. It's one performance and certainly that doesn't track with what I remember...but I would definitely not give up a piece like LAFRENIERE for him...then again, the Sabres were a mess in general. Very few guys on that team left me with anything more than a 'meh' impression. Tage THOMPSON was about it. UPL, actually, looked like the goaltender Buffalo needed/has needed...Owen POWER. Holy shit, I can't believe that dude was first overall...anywho...win is a win is a win. Maybe if COZENS keeps sucking dead reindeer he WILL go on the market...

Is it me or does Lindgren look even smaller than Zac Jones out there?...The physicality on the defense, with and especially without Miller, is now mainly limited to SCHNEIDER and SCHNEIDER.....At least two physical D-men are needed now..I guess that's where LAVIOLETTE's red headed step son KAKKAO (and one of the few forwards that battle physically) will come in........A nice baby step forward last night and you can see when it's open ice/skating game, the Rangers play a little harder..when the other team starts to grind and just battle, the Rangers have been folding... becoming more and more obvious about the total lack of snarl/attitude/meanness/physical initiation on this team..Even if they ever get out of this funk, I can't see them playing that way and they are so far behind teams like the Panthers, Caps and , now, even the Devils..

Mollie-wanna-cracker? https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/sports/rangers-lose-kandre-miller-during-sabres-win-in-sudden-concern/

Are there two of him? WTF is this guy? ….https://youtu.be/YvBsTrPO0p0?si=nkZZ-dTeMpduiUfe

In the battle of recycled coaches…“They needed a win, too, so you knew you were going to get a good game from them, a competitive game,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “I thought our guys played well.”…. Can’t wait for ai to be used as a lie detector…

Lardy won’t read this…. https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/sports/kaapo-kakkos-will-get-chance-to-shine-at-4-nations-cup/

ruff blew by pullin the goalie way to soon.. Rangers were doin their typical back on their heels tryin to lose best ... Sabres had them on the ropes.. and only luck would prevent the tying goal...

I was in TD’s camp of giving Knoblauch the chance or some other fresh face, but I kind of get why Drury didn’t go that route with the Quinn disaster. But man loosing Knoblauch to Edmonton is looking worse and worse. I guess there are coaches available but Drury would have to get off his hands long enough for feeling to seep back into them to make the call. Eh?

The fact that they struggled to win against a horrible Buffalo team says more than anything I can write here. The Rangers tried desperately to give up the lead and get some 3 on 3 practice. Couldn’t quite even do that LOL. Man, what the heck happened to these guys in 6 months?

Certain,y was too close for comfort and they have a long way to go to get back to being one of the NHL’s top teams, but what I liked about this game was that what the Rangers did best (the tenaciousness, the bird-dogging the puck carriers, the back/fire checking and the attention to detail) can be recreated against ANY team they play and it will be a huge improvement over the lazy, stick-checking fly-by checking we’ve seen for 3 weeks. Even when they did reach with the stick, they kept their feet moving and used their bodies….not big, smashing hits but just body-on-body to slow the player down. This a was a game to build off of.

Hospo: I have been in the "don't fire the coach" camp, but if it means losing Kakko, "fire the damn coach!"

Even Pang and the rest of the broadcast team said Chytil line was the best tonight…Fourth line had good energy and Carrick actually pushes back…..

PJ - For KAKKO to get the least amount of shifts of any Ranger shows what Laviolette thinks of him..So, you might as well trade him before you totally devalue the guy..Dickface DRury and Laviolete are the death of this team

Z is out there with Trocheck in case Tro gets tossed on a face off…Rather it be Carrick to be honest…

Berrard and, especially, Carrick played fine..EDSTROM does absolutly nothing for me other than be big

JONES has been good most of the year but does struggle when the other team's really grind..which doesn't bode well for March on..Then again, that could be said for about six other Rangers

Lavioleette has little or no confidence in Laffy, Kakkao, or CHYTL late in games..and it will get worse...Seeing Panarinas puss out there at the end is nauseating..ZBAD too..they too often can get bull dozed in the D-zone (though Z is still aa good PKer)

Kis…Agree Jones struggled tonight….Rangers need D and I hate to say it but they may move Kakko to get it..

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has had a back injury, so when looking at CK I have to think his back is bothering him to the point where he really shouldn't be on the ice. Give him a few games off....continuing to play game after game in pain is not going to help.

Hospo they hate it because they sre slow and soft. The back end is so small and weak

Actually Z line did well killing the last 37 seconds…Panarin was ridiculous…

Keedier is useless anymore. He barely moves. Why not put kakko out at the end. At least he will foght and he wns batttles. This team needs many changes. Jones might be able to move the puck but he sucks He is way too small. You dont need so mamy smallayers especially on the back end. Carolina floroda and tampa will just physocally beat them up. Edstrom might be 6'6 but he sucks as well. Id love to have tage thompson and greenway on the Ramgers. Rangers need a playewr like greenway. This team just needs so much. So many changes. I thought Zbad played better mot great but better. I dont know amybody that was great.

Hey..a shitty win is still a win..no matter how poorly coached and played by most of the players...although, in the long run, an embarrassing loss agaist the Sabres would have been better to get Big Country's Fat Ass canned..Ranger players hate it when the opposition grinds

Pathetic 3rd, worse after we went up 2-0 .. giveaways and soft D play .. lucky to hold on ...

Why in the world is stick checking perimeter Zbad out their with 30 seconds left

Better question. Why is Panarin out there in that situation? Rhetorical question I know.

This hope that Zbad is going to come around is wishful thinking at this point. He has no desire to do anything beside coasting around the perimeter and trying to make fancy give and go passes with CK....trade him for anything at this point

Miller got smashed by Greenway in the 2nd period….he’s not on the bench for the 3rd

If you are able watch Zscared during that scrum in front of the Ranger net. Beyond wanting to not engage.

Sequence in our own end because Zbad would not engage fora loose puck .. instead just reached timidly ..

Yeah the four bozos on TnT are about as bad as it gets. And yes unfortunately I am including Gretzky, sacrilegious as it sounds, he is just not good at the commentator thing. This seems to be a feature on most US NHL broadcasts and not a bug, except it bugs the crap out of me. About as insightful as a Mika Zbad interview.

And at least the Rangers have two decent lines at ES...Unfortunately, it's Laviolette's 3rd nd 4th lines!

Wow, the Sabres might be even more fucked in the head thAn the Rangers! Zero confidence in anything...All i know is these Rangers better find a way to hold on to this game tonight or it will be 0/1 points out of 6 agaisnt possibly the three worst teaams in the NHL

Let’s lose the Zbad slapper on the PP. Better still let’s lose Zbad on the PP.

I was wishy washy on Carrick when he was signed. Not now. He's the only Ranger who w8ll challenge now regardless of who he's challenging.

Kakkao has turned into a real good passer...just wish he would go to the net more!!

Owen Power. 6 6 first overall a few years ago. Long term deal. Making Miller seem like an Allstar.

Decent 1st period against a bad team....But ..good wok by the 4th line on two shifts, one drawing the PP...Good pass by Panarina and gret shot by ZBAD for the goal..These guys love the open ice!

What the hell was Schneider doing at the end of the period?…Hold the puck and period ends but he passes to a Sabre…

And Lardiolette starts the Zbad line. Gawd you can't make this shit up. I think he wants out. Fired with pay. He can retire wealthy.

Lots of soft tampering here I just hope it doesn’t make anyone hard. But I think there might be a few. Names fly all year long with some more real than others. Gms are tire kickers. …. The lardass watch is on….

TDCHI - Um, way too much to read...Looking at the names in CAPS I say nay to all..or they are not realistic..More importantly..IF this team can't get it's shit together as is with or without Laurel and Hardy (we know which one is Big Country), the season is fucked...Most of hose players are fringe deals not impacting what is ruining this team..If you deal kids (KK or Miller) you better get damn good kids or a monster player back..ANd the kids should only be considered for dealing if you can't move any part of the rotting core ..Ah..the rotting vet core and the rotting head..but it's effecting the kids too

So the names are being tossed around now fast and furious...oddly enough, just days after DRURY leaked that the TROUBA trade was the first and last in the works...but who knows. Seems like he's prepared to do anything but fire LAVIOLETTE to save the season...so let's take a look. Thomas CHABOT - Well, let's start with the fact that he's on the Senators and they're not likely too interested in doing anything that doesn't involve them sticking it to the Rangers. But continuing on, this guy is more or less an Erik KARLSSON lite: Not much defense, pretty soft and almost always injured. Hard pass. Ivan PROVOROV - As I mentioned over the weekend, this is one that would finally galvanize the few remaining supporters DRURY has among Ranger fans into joining the collective wanting to tar, feather and set him adrift in a leaky dingy on the Gowanas Canal. Not very good. Never lived up to his draft billing. And on top of it all, he almost singlehandedly spiked Pride Night in the NHL, which is something that would certainly please NYC's very sizable LGBTQ+ community would. Can you say public relations disaster? This guy would be the whipping boy to end all whipping boys...Trent FREDERIC - Now this is an interesting one. He's really a TKACHUK-lite in many ways, which isn't a huge surprise, because he grew up playing hockey with the TKACHUK boys. Plays a VERY similar game, just he doesn't have the skill set, and at this point, he's really looking to be more of a 15-goal grinder type. That said? He is EXACTLY the type of player the Rangers need and is a natural center...though he's been largely playing wing for the Bruins. Fans would absolutely love his style. Moving KAKKO for him one-up would be absolutely brutal though, and the B's would quickly turn him into a top-six player that would haunt Ranger fans...problem is, the Bruins don't have much to add in terms of prospects or players. KASTELIC and FREDERIC for KAKKO is still too little, IMO...but that's also depending on how the B's feel about Fred, who has had a pretty disastrous start to his season...Alex TUCH is the guy they SHOULD'VE gotten years ago and who would've been a big upgrade over SMITTY Jr. Big strong winger with speed who, while no bruiser, certainly throws his weight around. He'd be a great fit, but he's also the Sabres captain with a reasonable contract that extends for another year. Staple says PERREAULT? He's right on the money. Or OTHMANN and a first rounder and maybe one other small piece. He would be about as premium as forwards come...Joel FARABEE - Yeah, Flyers ain't doing that. Maybe they can work something out in a three-way? For KREIDER? Meh? Honestly, I'd do that deal. The Flyers wouldn't...Trevor ZEGRAS - I've said my part about him. I would absolutely LOVE to see what a kid like that would do with PANARIN. But man...two consecutive bummer seasons. And he's really not what the Rangers need by any stretch of the imagination. But if he's the return for KAKKO? I could actually live with that trade...Brady TKA--OH COME THE FUCK ON...JT MILLER - Really ditto here. I suspect he's spent the past couple weeks debating whether or not to enter the NHLPA's substance use program either on his own or by direction from the Canucks. Staple is right again: Would require flipping Z...which I would do...but probably not the Canucks. As I mentioned, Rutherford gave JT a vote of confidence, and it's rare for a GM to turn around and move a guy after statements like that...Dylan COZENS - Like I already said, the trauma of moving EICHEL, REINHART and O'REILLY is real. There isn't a person in the Buffalo front office that would want to make this deal. Again, Staple is on the money: it'd cost LAFRENIERE, and that's probably a non-starter...Jonas BRODIN - So your team is at the top of its conference and firing on all cylinders. And you decide to trade your rock on D for the past decade? Yeah. Again, he's right in thinking it'd cost someone like MILLER, which would be a non-starter...Marcus PETTERSSON - Uh...wut? Yeah, we already have VAAKAININEN. We want another stork out there? No thanks. I wouldn't even want to think what the Pens would exact from this team to get his useless lanky ass...Tanner JEANNOT - Speaking of Dotard Brooks, that idiot had a giant hardon for this ECHL-graduate-free-agent-to-be. He would bring some size and strength the Rangers could use, I suppose. But level set here? The guy isn't that good. Two teams have bitten on the line and overpaid for the 'intangibles' he brings to the ice, and I wouldn't be surprised if this second one moves on once they see his contract demands. Hard pass, because the fourth line AIN'T what's broken...Keifer SHERWOOD - Pretty much the same thing with this guy, only he never went to the ECHL and isn't as big...He's not a bad player and probably a better fit than JEANNOT. But he's also not that good. Has his moments, when you go scrabbling to the program to see who the fuck he is...but they're fleeting. He's a bigger, more physical Colin BLACKWELL, only he doesn't play center. If he's the guy who will rescue the season, then the season is lost...did I miss anyone?!

TD: It was a sarcastic dig for you to reevaluate your news streams in other areas of your life away from sports. That's m explanation. Let's not go further there, let's keep it to sports, and the NR's. t/y

MF... To be clear, I am okay with trading Miller, we just have to get like value back. You can't trade a 24 year old for a 31 year old straight up.

And what about that is disingenuous? That columnists get to do whatever the fuck they want? Y'all don't like beat reporters because they don't 'call out' players and coaches and teams and whatnot. What you don't understand is that they CAN'T. While the sleazy world of sports journalism is rife with stories that toe the line between reporting and opinion, there still is a clear distinction. An asshat like Brooks is a columnist, and they're held to a different standard than the beats. In other words, that fucktard can sit back and lob bombs and never have to worry one bit. Not even when an NHL team calls him on his bullshit. He'll still work for that shitrag for as long as his rotten brain can continue to direct his withered geriatric fingers to tap out a couple sentences of gibberish.

mf - I never say never. Or rather seldom...and in this instance, there's a very strong likelihood DRURY shot him a message back explaining the brand of fucktard that is Larry Brooks...but I would say it's very unlikely you see these GMs dealing with each other in the coming months. I'm sure you realize how rare it is for a GM to publicly accuse another of tampering. Those aren't accusations traded lightly, no pun intended...but sure. If the Rangers are offering up LAF for a fifth rounder, I'm sure Ottawa is listening.

NYR'a are also rumored to be interested in defenseman Ivan Provorov and Marcus Pettersson.... if true, color me intrigued.

What an effin mess, the 'horn section is gone,' and Rhet's agreeing with 'stapleface." In all seriousness though, "Drury better not trade the youngsters." There's plenty of trade-value-equity in Meak-ah, Kreider, Smith, Lindgren, and possibly Vesey, Jones (who I'm warming up to, although I feel K'Mill can provide some offense if FOX goes down), Chytil still has an asterisk next to his name... So, we can retrench-remodel-retool and move forward.

KIS - re: not trading TROUBA, I totally agree...at bare minimum, they could've did what they did with CALLAHAN...though in that case, they ended up dumping two fucking first rounders...regardless...I guess the bright side...which I already mentioned, is that they officially have enough cap for LAFRENIERE and SHESTERKIN. Had they waited until June? Teams could have shut them out and essentially held them hostage to either eat half or a good chunk of his salary or require them to pay up with a prospect or a pick to eat the whole thing. But that said? I think TROUBA as a player and a leader is still valuable and that they could've waited and essentially gotten the same deal...This move was aimed at shaking up a team that didn't really need shaking up...what they need is a new coach...and we're going to see this unfold more in the coming weeks and...hopefully not...months. DRURY kicked TROUBA to the curb to save LAVIOLETTE. And what that dumbass doesn't seem to get is that there's little saving him at this point. Either the team has quit on him or he's just not a very savvy coach...maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

JFC - So, you don't think bands/teams/employee groups (including teachers) of employees don't get in a funk for a various # of reasons and then start to play/perform like shit and/or not try as hard? Happens all the time..and it can be destroying.esepcially when they have been together for awhile..That's what's happening in NY..Their minds aren't in it and the physical effort isn't there from any of them either...from, Laffy to Panarina to Zbad to Schneider to Miller...So something BIG is fuckling wrong......I personally don't think it's a stretch for a collective to see How DRURY treated the Goodrow and Trouba situatons last summer and the Trouba Situation this season..AND the way Laviolette had managed players and ice..and, while maybe not a mutiny, it's a team wide quit a job a...And this is not saying they are right or doing it on purpose for a Giant FU...but but is what it is...and imwo, noi possibiilty for it to improve unless the big problems (Drury, Laviolette, vets) are jettsiones...To me, it's a perfect reason to get rid of the incompetent for 2 years DRURY as well as Laviolette...But Drury will likely get rid of kids like KAKKAO and MILLER first...Talk about the message that will send to the young players

Hey, look at that.... I actually agree with Arthur Staple for a change. Yes, If Chris Drury trades K’Andre Miller for Jonas Brodin straight up, he should be fired..... "Proposed Rangers-Wild Trade Could End Drury’s Career if Botched".... https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/proposed_rangers_wild_trade_could_end_drurys_career_if_botched/s1_16454_41390196

So, let me get this straight….the Rangers are pissed off at Drury because of Trouba & Goodrow so they’re purposely playing like shit to try to get him canned…and some Rangers fans think that’s justified? So, it would be OK to, let’s say, be a musician for a classical orchestra but the conductor is a cut-throat bastard so it’s OK for the violinists and cellists & trumpets and saxophones to play shitty to try and get Zubin Mehta fired? Or how about any other numbers of hypotheticals of average Joe’s working in an office….let’s say healthcare….they don’t like the way the company treats them or the people they insure so it’s OK for them to slack off, go home early, call in sick, etc? If this is what Rangers players are doing, fuck each and every one of them. They don’t run the fucking asylum!

JFC: Tonight's game is a good opportunity to scout BUF: https://puckpedia.com/team/buffalo-sabres

Cheif Wild-Eagle-Legz: Amos-quito? Paleface speak with forked-tongue! Over 'Brooks,' across streams, over mountains, off a cliff, these NYR's don't know, "We're-the-Fuc-Koweeze!

I’m pretty damned concerned about tonight’s matchup vs the Sabres. Both teams are struggling but the Sabres usually get up to play against the Rangers & they are a young, FAST team that is quick to the puck. If Rangers aren’t ready, quick & sharp themselves,it means BIG trouble!

Brooks just all but predicted the firing of the entire Ranger staff, top to bottom, a la 2000. So we got that going for us.

Mf keep losing to force a decision. Did you have any news problems firsthand? Did they misquote you? Weren’t you a famous Amos . You’re in the presence of celebrities here. At least in their minds. It’s called throw shit against the wall and see if it sticks. Some are full of it.

Uh Oh, the natives are getting restless... :->) What a load of disingenuous Bollacks. ""The only thing I hate more than dishonest reporters is dishonest columnists. I've had to deal with both in my life and while reporters at least have editors you can complain to, columnists are in an ivory tower apart from reproach.""

At least LB criticizes the Rangers unlike the rest of the spineless Ranger media...

TD: IF the Rangers put forth a trade proposal to OTT which benefits them, they WILL entertain it! They're professionals and know to check their emotions on the shelf and analyze the possibility.

The only solution now is for the Nyr to keep losing to make something happen. That should get Dolan’s attention.

VCP: The NYR's determined they were retaining SHESTERKIN, and it was probably decided last season. That said, and we here knew that we were under a 'cap-crunch' and a scalpel was going to be brought in to cut salary. So stone-face Dreary cut salary to the tune of $11,640,000 by moving Goodrow & Trouba. We might not like how he did it, but he did his job and on paper we are once again solid in the nets as the baton was passed from Hank to Igor... Now with the benefit of hindsight, Drury should have retained Goodrow for a myriad of reasons and not have chased after SMITH. But thats Hindsight!

Hospo no one can prove whether or not drury tried to get Tkachuk or if he had someone tell lb like it was a secret source. I’m sure drury would like a shot at getting him and pay through the nose for him like he’s doing with Igor. Dolan likes that. Maybe the truth will come out next year or at the deadline when he demands to be traded.

Larry Brooks doesn't bother me one iota...He's only National Enquirer type of entertainment..Not your cup of tea, don't read him......and..maybe he's just trying to light a fire under the candy asses of these bunch of schmoes?..Just trolling there,,,..All I know is one of the candy ass Ranger Beat reportes or anybody needs to write an article detailing Dipshit Dumbfuck, Dickweed Duplicitous Drury NHL moves and player handlings over the past two years from the KANE cluster fuck on....One soild Move--Quick..that's it ...He personally permanently shut the fuckling window in a one window room

Punch: Like you, my mind drifted to Connor McDavid this morning. I prefer your vision of the future better than mine though. Having watched this team endlessly make the same mistakes since the 70's, I'm thinking the Rangers drift further toward mediocrity this season and next. Rather than building a real team, MSG will be all in on signing a 30 year old McDavid (whose game depends mightily on the amazing speed of young legs), when he becomes available for the 26-27 season for a max 8 year term at a gazillion dollars per year. He and Shesty will share an unsustainable portion of the cap budget and we will suck at least through the early 2030's. How's that for optimism? Ratelle: I agree that Brooks hates the Rangers. He's going to new levels lately with his recklessly mean-spirited reporting/public comments regarding individual players. His reporting now oozes an undertone of malice.

After that game Monday night had to take a little mental and blood pressure break from the team...So, we all have our opinions, but any concrete rumors (if that is actually a thing) or facts coming out about the Rangers and their troubles/plans the last two days?....Well, other than the not so surprising blurbs about Mika the MeeK..Rangers could use a big hit or fight...OK, maybe it's me that could use that!

DREW - The only thing I hate more than dishonest reporters is dishonest columnists. I've had to deal with both in my life and while reporters at least have editors you can complain to, columnists are in an ivory tower apart from reproach. And unless they are literally libeling or slandering...both of which the threshold is REDICULOUSLY high, there's not much you can do other than point out how much they suck. BROOKSIE sucks so badly that he gives $5 hookers a run for their money. The dude writes shit to stir the pot. What bugs me the most is that fans don't deliniate between him, an OPINION columnist, and someone like Mollie Walker, who is constrained by fact. So that fuck says shit and it's taken as gospel...not only by fans, but by OTHER REPORTERS. The shit with TROUBA'S wife was what really disturbed me the most. It's like fine: You got a tip, it was partially right, but you fucked up the reporting. Own your mistake, don't blame it on an innocent person who has literally nothing to do with the Rangers, the NHL or hockey in general, other than that she's married to TROUBA. I hated that fuck before he did that. Now I'm on a crusade to point out how much of a shit-sucking scum he is.

LOL, I think y'all can SAFELY cross the Sens off the list of teams likely to deal with the Rangers...

I will also add that the Sens' response to all of this is really rooted deeply in hyperbole. I see what they're trying to do here, and that's create a rallying point at a time when they really kinda need one. That team shouldn't be hovering around .500, much less below it. Trying to get themselves a rallying point on the backs of the Rangers and their hapless, spineless GM, courtesy of Dotard Brooks and the team's total unwillingness not to call him out on his BS. Glad at least the Sens did.

Drury needs to go until then they won't show up. Then lavy as well. Last place looking good 1992-1993.

Evets: "IMO" Drury 'had' to bring in a RW in one last stab to get the Bromo's to play nice as a 3 man line. He did, they didn't, split them onto different lines until we trade them. This time on different lines will give them a last chance to prove (via their play & performance) that they want to remain Rangers.

Being a fan of this team right now is really... interesting? The games are essentially unwatchable. I'm tired of seeing these same disengaged faces on the ice. None of this is Reilly Smith's fault, but he needs to go, with the hope that they can recoup the assets they dealt for him. Additionally, as much as I have appreciated his game since he's arrived, Lindgren has to go. After that, they should call up Adam Sykora to inject some more speed and youth into the lineup. Panarin-Trochek-Lafrenier, Cyulle-Chytil-Kakko, Kreider-Zibanejad-Berard, Edstrom-Carrick-Sykora, Miller-Fox, Jones-Schneider, Vaakanainen-Mancini. Beyond that, my hope is that Drury looks to make long-term impact moves. If things continue to go south in Buffalo and they look to shake things up, I'd like them to check in on whether Cozens and/or Byram is available. There were some rumors of Mikko Rantanen are struggling to agree on an extension. I'd be looking there as well, trying to convince Zibanjad of the beauty of Colorado.

There are some here who are idiot clowns. They are not pretending, just think they can hide it. Peekaboo

I figure that with RW Gabe Perreault on the way up, we might as well target Wings that are just a bit miserable to play against in Jeannot & Sherwood.

Targets for 2nd line / 3rd line Wing: LAK: (LHS) Tanner Jeannot - VAN: (RHS) Kiefer Sherwood

Top 6 Centers: OTT: Pinto - BUF: Cozens (both are the right age to mesh with the upcoming core, and IIRC, both are RHS)

Some names of Defensemen to ponder & figure out whether or not we have a chance to acquire: BOS: Zadarov - NSH: LAUZEN - BUF: Samuelsson (all 3 are LHS) -- Please add names of candidates in another exciting adventure of, "Hu-Flung-Chit" & what-stuck!

CMark, I wouldn't waste my time watching these Rangers, nothing is going to change until additional players are moved out. jmnshfo-"snatcherally"

So who is this Rod Duguay chap I’ve seen mentioned on the wall twice in 2 days? So I’ll miss my 3rd straight Ranger game today! I’ve watched the Rangers while sitting by the pool in paradise before, but not gonna do it for this lot! I’ll check in afterwards! Aloha and Mahalo!

Who gives a sheet about what Brooks writes? I don't, unless he's helping ensure that the NYR Brass reads this wall regularly. "WE" have a team that's not winning, nor are they playing on a team level that can compete for The Cup. It's time to move Kreider, Zibanejad, Lindgren, Smith, possibly Jones. We should be able to obtain a Top 6 younger Center, possibly a 3rd line Center, a Top 4 LHS-D, and another LHD. NOTE: An injury to Schneider, Fox, or interruption to Mancini's play will leave us short a RHS-D. All the while we must monitor CHYTIL because he's still not out of the wood's health wise as far as I'm concerned. Again, this focus on Brooks because we have a "color man" among the ranks of Wallsters, is a distraction, we need to move forward with conviction.

Cagey GM that he is, Dreary is simply biding his time until he stockpiles enough cash to assure Connor McDavid re-signs for the highest possible figure in Edmonton. Not because he's stupid, but because he loves the game and knows that by having its best players playing in northern Alberta, Buttman's dream and vision of parity as an economic driver for future franchise sales is the real ticket to Dolan's continued prosperity. Plus, the Rangers won't have to worry about the Oilers finishing in a better draft position than the Rangers for years to come! It's a win-win-win!! Connect the dots, people. Don't worry, be happy! Joy Joy. Prosperity is right around the corner.

Tdchi. I 100% agree with you about Brooks. I have long suspected Brooks in his heart he dislikes the Rangers for whatever reason. Makes no sense his career has been fueled by him covering the rangers but nothing else explains what he makes up Rangers, but I believe it.

BTW, due to Drury's adoration for trading away picks for basically nothing, the Ranger have no 2nd or 4th round picks in the next THREE drafts. I'm telling you folks, just like I bitched and moaned 10 years ago when Nob for Life was flittering away picks like yesterday's bread, this will come back to bite the organization in the next few years. All fine and good if you win a cup, but that ain't happening anytime soon. Fire this incompetent piece of crap!

Now you wanna read some bullshit, take a gander at Stapleface's article today in the Athletic musing about deals Drury could pursue (to SF's credit he clearly states at the outset it's pure conjecture based on possible avenues Drury might pursue given the horrendous direction his team is now). Stuff like Miller + for $8,000,000 Chabot, Federic for KK, Provorov for a 1st, Tuch for either Perrault or Laf. What crap.

TD: Dare I say your absolute loathing of LB is tad obsessive and not at all healthy? DOH!

RF4L - No doubt. And really, I could see the Sens start listening to offers if he's not thoroughly locked up going into 2027-28...But now? Not a chance. Like I said...it would take a seriously over-the-top offer to get him...we're talking LAFRENIERE, GARAND, PERREAULT, SCHNEIDER and an unprotected first. There may have been someone musing about a deal like that in the head office...but proposing it would be just about as ridiculous as the Sens' saying they'd listen to offers on TKACHUK. Neither thing is going to happen...BUT...because Larry the Dotard is in the HHOF and sooooooooo respected...everyone buys what he shovels hook, line and sinker. I have a very difficult time believing anyone even loosely affliated with the Rangers' brain trust and especially the players themselves would say anything to this assclown outside of telling him to fuck off. And yet...people still believe him. But shit. I should stop being surprised by this sort of thing. Seems like you can make up just about anything and people will believe it. Especially the folks who read the NYP.

LOL. So we have a whole NHL franchise AND it captain saying Larry Brooks' report is full of shit. And not just a little full of shit...Like the Sens aren't even saying they were APPROACHED by the Rangers. The dude literally cooked up that story from thin air. He just pulls the pin and lobs the grenade. There was a time when I thought maybe...just MAYBE he actually DID have a source connected with the Rangers...thought maybe DAVIDSON might share a tender spot for him...but now I don't even think THAT'S true. Most likely, the moron's source is some pompous windbag like Rod DUGUAY, desperately trying to be relevant again.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/nhl/news-brady-tkachuk-breaks-silence-ny-rangers-trade-rumors-senators-owner-alleged-soft-tampering

https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/nhl/larry-brooks-throws-mud-mika-zibanejad-rangers-star-s-struggles-piling

The only way Tkachuk would be available is if he asked to be traded which isn't the case. Yet. I say yet because the Sens perpetually suck and sooner or later he'll get fed up.

Ref24 - It would take an act of god for TKACHUK to be made available. That or an offer akin to what the Flyers gave up for LINDROS way back when...The fact the Sens GM went the extra mile to emphasize how full of shit Larry Brooks' report was and that he plans to report the Rangers for tampering shows how serious he is about keeping TKACHUK. Unless something really melts down in Ottawa...and by 'really' I mean them plunging to last place...it ain't happening. Definitely not this year. Probably not until 2027, when his next contract negotiations get underway...So if Fuckface McDotard got that from the Rangers, then DRURY really is braindead. But more likely? He was making shit up again as he always does.

NCRanger - stevielegs just likes to pretend he's that idiot clown. Which, as you stated, is a little creepy stalkerish. But each to their own.

I'll re-post this for you, Rhet0ric, since you seem to have selective reading(emphasis added)...OH...and that Brady TKACHUK part? That was before the Sens accused the Rangers of tampering as a result of that asshat's column: WHAT I SAID: Rangers will need to trade TROUBA before next season, and they asked for his no-trade list early at the draft in case a deal came their way. WHAT THE FECKLESS DOTARD SAID: The Rangers tried to trade TROUBA, but he blocked the deal and the threatened not to report to any team, thereby removing all ability of the GM to work. And he did it because his wife had one year left on her residency and it's all her fault and he'll probably be traded this summer. LOL. So I'll wait now for Brady TKACHUK to become a Ranger. Gonna happen! Braindead Larry says it! Like GOSPEL!

“It has not done the Rangers’ on-ice product any favors, but the disconnect began way before president and general manager Chris Drury’s leaked trade memo, Jacob Trouba’s harsh exit to Anaheim and Ottawa’s accusations regarding The Post’s report of the team’s interest in Senators captain Brady Tkachuk.The Rangers have been shackled by self-inflicted mistakes time and time again. A lack of physicality, drive and cohesion has continuously hindered their competitiveness. There hasn’t been a spark to their game in way longer than the Rangers presumably like to admit. This is who they have been for almost all of this season. The question now is, who will they become? “…. That’s up to the coach and the gm to figure out. The players have already checked out. That’s because of the two headed monsters. Lardy has lost the room with assistance from wrong way druray who thinks he’s infallible with the personality of an old pair of worn out shoes. Dolan should give him a shine box and an apron vest for Christmas.

Although I loved trouba unsure what to do the cap hit. Drury is a moron is he fired yet

Any rumors involving Brady Tkachuck to the Rangers I approve.... for the most Part

Reading reports that players are upset with drury. Very pissed with him trading trouba and the plays are very loyal to trouba I told everybody he should have mot been traded. Tradi g a 30 yr old strong d man. He was hirt last llayoff. Smh. Wtf

Rhet. Please no to Stamkos. No to O'Reilly ( keeping hearing now), too. Over 30 too high priced and Lardiolette will play them over the young guys like he does with Z K and P. Need to transition the leadership to the younger players.

Stevie - I’m curious. Who are you quoting about Brooks? Is that you, quoting yourself because you ARE Brooks? If there is any poster that’s LB here I’ve always been led to believe it would be you. A lot of empirical evidence wouod suggest that over the years. Or maybe you’re just a Brooks stalker. Not sure. Anyhoo, if it is in fact you, how about a juicy Wall plug when you have a minute. Lord knows we’ve contributed to some of your material over the years. OAN - tomorrow should be interesting to see what happens with the Rangers. I’m guessing sit on his hands Drury does nothing. Dolan Will if Lord Sather orders the hit

Folks can we please limit the baseball talk here it's not Fair lololol we have a serious issue here and obiebenkenonie is our only hope.

Rhet: Another Starting Pitcher they should sign: https://www.mlb.com/video/what-makes-corbin-burnes-such-an-effective-pitcher

There are some whispers that the Predators are already having buyers remorse from all of the older Vet FA's they signed in the offseason. Stamkos could be interested in the NYR's. We could definitely use him in the locker room, but I absolutely hate his contract. Is he worth it? Is it worth paying someone to eat half his contract?

MF.... I've read today that the NYY's are hot for Walker and that interest is mutual. They should be able to do a shorter term deal as he is 33 and wants to go to a contender. They don't currently seem to be interested in Alonzo. Fingers crossed.

Rhet: you called for a Starter & the delivered one. There are two 1st Basemen Gold Glover Christian Walker a free agent from the Diamondbacks. Then there is Pete Alonzo of the Mets

I’m in Maui, so I’ve missed the last two disasters! On Messier: Remember this is the guy who according to many sources forced the Rangers to trade Zubov for more of his cronies. I question his judge of talent.

Houston we have a problem..No one except a few people wants to play . And the one that do aren't getting enough ice time. Isn't that a coaching issues???

Avery is a nut and a jerk often, but he was pretty accurate on this breakdown fthese plays https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDZn6jQxLQZ/?igsh=aDJrYmYwMzAzNW11

NYY's sigh Max Fried for 8 years and $218 Mil. It should be a really good signing for NY.

STEVIE... Keep poking the bear.. We took a lot of shit here for even talking about the Trouba story, even though many others reporters had corroborated it. And it turns out , that Jacob Trouba himself corroborated the whole thing as well.

“Larry Brooks is a sports columnist at the New York Post. Background Larry was honored by the Hockey Hall of Fame as the 2018 recipient of the Elmer Ferguson Award bestowed upon writers, "who have brought honor to journalism and to hockey." Brooks' plaque is displayed in the Grand Hall of the HHOF. Five times named one of Hockey's 100 People of Power and Influence by The Hockey News, Brooks holds the title of Senior Hockey Columnist and Rangers Writer for The New York Post while also serving as a baseball and tennis columnist during the summer. He is the author of the "Slap Shots" weekly NHL column Brooks has served two terms with the paper, first from 1976 through 1982 before rejoining The Post in 1994 after a decade as an executive with the New Jersey Devils hockey team. A native of the Upper West Side who attended the Bronx High School of Science and CCNY, Brooks has broken numerous exclusives throughout his career. Those include the Rangers' signing of Wayne Gretzky as a free agent; Mark Messier's free agent signing with Vancouver; Gretzky's decision to retire following the 1998-99 season; the Rangers' decision to rebuild at the 2018 trade deadline; Henrik Lundqvist's retirement; and the firings of team president John Davidson and general manager Jeff Gorton plus the hiring of head coach Gerard Gallant. Brooks, who has broken multiple labor negotiation-related exclusives throughout his career, gave Lundqvist his nickname, "The King," after the third game of the goaltender's career.”

Zibanejad has always been kinda emotionally interesting. I think he cares a lot. And I think he wants to be the guy. But the deeper he gets when he’s struggling I get the pathology. It’s hard. Nothing goes in and nothing is going right. But I’ve seen a few plays that I was annoyed that he was not paying the price and floating too much. He needs to get going. He needs to get that swagger back. I mean he had a saucer pass coming across, the goalie beat, had the net completely dead to rights and cracked the patent 1-timer 6’ high. He just looked at the sky. He’s sports psychologist worthy.

JFC31 - What I'm saying is that from a fan perspective, it's very easy for us to sit back and say player X is dogging it or player Y is avoiding contact or that player Z...no pun intended...is doesn't care...It's also easy for us to mistake symptoms of the problem for being the problem...a hockey team is like a machine. You can tweak and tune it, but if you start yanking pieces out, you may end up ruining the whole thing...likewise, there's also reasons why guys look the way they do...just like if you run your engine without oil or short a spark plug...you ain't gonna get good results. Does it mean the engine is bad? Or are its components faltering? Nope. Just you're running it in conditions that set it up to seize or misfire...same with this team. Look, I absolutely REFUSE to believe the subtraction of a couple bottom liners sent this club into a tailspin. In fact, they were playing FINE to start the season. What has happened over the past month and change has been their approach to hockey...just to illustrate...I can very safely tell you that if you flipped the Z line's minutes with EDSTROM-CARRICK-BERARD/VESEY and the PANARIN line's minutes with KAKKO-CHYTIL-CUYLLE that this team's record would not improve much or at all. You MIGHT get a couple good games before everything fell to shit. Why? Because the same problem would exist: Players getting over-skated and not being able to maintain the intensity level needed to win. Likewise on the D...only there, I suspect it would be even more catastrophic because MANCINI is still very green and really doesn't belong in the NHL right now...not skating 22-23 minutes...so if we're looking at guys like BERARD and saying MAN, the dude is putting in 110 percent...well...guess what? It's because he's sitting on the bench for 50-plus minutes...all I'm saying is that if you go back to the playoffs...let's say the series against the Canes...NONE of us were talking about a lack of effort. What has changed since then? Well, not much. It ain't age. And I kind of doubt it's conditioning. I also don't see this as a hard-partying group. And I can't say ANY of them were playing without heart even through that Florida series...So what's that leave us? APPROACH...Another example? Dude, if we're talking merit, the fucking PANARIN line shouldn't have seen ice at all last night. All three should've been scratched for being on the ice for four fucking goals against Utah...each one more brutal than the next...It's not to say there isn't a place for merit...rewarding guys buying into the system, punishing those who don't...but you realize you need to HAVE a system to start talking about merit. The Rangers have shit right now, and the system they're playing is god-awful.

Wait. We're listening to Larry Brooks again? You mean, the Larry Brooks who just got the Rangers in trouble with his bullshit rumor mongering? The clown who uses Reddit as a source? The guy who literally makes shit up? You mean, the guy who is so arrogant and thin skinned that he blocks hundreds of fans on X/Twitter for disagreeing with him? THAT Larry Brooks? Yeah, maybe consider the source, guys...

So another day after another pathetic lose is about to pass and nothing from Drury. Is he sitting on his crossed fingers hoping for a victory against the Sabres Wednesday? If they lose to the Sabres will that be the final straw? Will Dolans finally have had enough and fire him? Is Brian Burke hovering nearby?

JFC31, If what's LB says about ZShit is true, how in the world he could be a "team leader"?? Mr. Sensitive?? WTF.. No wonder leadership core is non-existent on this team. Lord help us.

God the things being said because of how poorly they sre playing You cant trade fox. Is he slow. Yes. Does he not shoot on The PP. Yes. Get some dofferent pieces and you will see a stud player again. He is one being put into a situation that is not for him he isnt there to body up players and clear the crease. He isnt even there to try and set up mika and bread. He is a tbinking player that can make things happen. Same with Panarin. Do t ask him to do what he isnt good at The man puts up 100pt seasons. Let that line just play. Its the bromance brothers.

In Spittin’ Chicklets pod cast, Brooks says Zibanejad is Mr. Sensitive…he reads about criticisms of his play, lets it all get in his head and destroy him! This guy is not cut out for NYC. He needs to play in a city that doesn’t give a shit about hockey. If he’s gonna let criticism wreck his psyche, then he can’t handle pressure and never will be able to.

TD - doling out ice time based on MERIT is not nearly as complicated as you make it out to be and should be very easy for an NHL coach even just using the “eye test” criteria. Why does merit have tombe this complicated, blanket concept applied to every member of the team simultaneously. If a guy like Cuylle is 6th in the NHL in hits, is near the top of the team in scoring and is doing just about everything right, then you REWARD him. Other players see it, notice it and then try to get the diaconato domthe same for them. Conversely, when a PP1 unit HISTORICALLY disappears at the worst possible times and/or for long stretches, you don’t keep running them out there for 90 seconds per PP, you give PP2 a CONSISTENT chance or change up the units and let them COMPETE for PP1 status. The unit that’s hot, gets the lions share of ice. If they get cold, next unit is given a chance. That’s MERIT-based coaching as opposed to, “I know they’re cold as ice but we have to let PP1 get all the PP time to let them get hot again.” Merit is Lafrenière outplaying Zibanejad to start the season but Zibanejad still getting more PP time even though Laf is scoring more than he is. I’ll float this idea again too….just use the Trochek Line & Zibanejad line as PP units and fill in with Cuylle, Fox, Jones, etc. and see what happens. If Tro Line can lead the NHL in scoring at ES why wouldn’t they be able to do it at 5-on-4?

RF…Agree with your plan but would most likely keep Panarin…I have a feeling Z could be stubborn and very tough to move…You could put him in the stands as punishment but something tells me he would then hang out with his family eating cotton candy…LOL

Drury, Coaches, Players, "what some of us loyal Ranger Fans think of your performance, effort, and attitude... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAp7FvZ5Opw&t=1s

TD- think you hit the nail on the head with that. I won't attempt to replicate what you said because I will butcher it but the team is not playing as a unit, forwards and defense each operating separately. It seems completely correctable.

There are really only two possibilities, the team has quit on the coach and gm, or the coach and his staff are lost in the sauce and source. There’s only one solution if over the next 14 days of 7 games with no real improvement, lardy should be man enough to resign otherwise get fired. He should be happy I’m not the gm , he’d be gone already. I don’t hear or see him doing anything about what the solutions are …. Bye….next….

Let’s be honest, Laviolette has coached, won, and been fired from every team in the NHL it seems. If HE can’t get into his bag of coaching experience and find what can work than go ahead and cut him now and bring in Quenville. And he can be next up in the spinning wheel of NHL coaches. Always next up. I sincerely don’t care. I do care that this team was very close to a SCF and despite the sheer onslaught physically they were enduring they were pretty close. To see them backslide like this is pretty shocking.

RF4L - Well, if we're talking about merit and taking ice away from guys who individually haven't earned it, then you're going to be benching pretty much three quarters of the team. I'd also caution that some of the mistakes you're seeing...some of the listless play...it's a result of HOW the team is being played. Look...and I think I've made this analogy before...If you take a Ferrari off-roading in the backwoods mud country, you shouldn't be too surprised when you leave the fucking oil pan and most of the engine on the first rock you encounter...The Rangers are being poorly coached right now, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that they are playing poorly. You get what you put in...and I'll go one step farther: You look at PANARIN last night. Did he earn 25 minutes of ice? Meh? Not really. Seven shots...well great. How many points did he have? End result is that the guy who skated nearly half the game didn't do shit. So we should bench him?

The Rangers are a good example of how a couple of small, easily correctable problems have carried them to the brink of disaster. The first and foremost problem is that LAVIOLETTE and the Rangers collectively didn't learn a thing from his series with Florida or how up-tempo play wins games...Florida, by their own admission, were taught that lesson very clearly by Vegas. They took it to heart and returned with a new approach based on an ridiculously aggressive forecheck...taking away space from opponents and literally neutralizing skilled teams. Can't generate offense when you can't complete a pass and can't get your speed demons to activate...WASHINGTON obviously learned this lesson...but the Rangers did not...LAVIOLETTE decided what they needed was more offense at 5-on-5...no disagreement there...but how he decided to do this was where the second problem came in...last year, the Rangers D was incredibly mobile. Those guys were pinching with three forwards deep ALL. THE. TIME. This season? They're not doing that at all. The Ranger D has SEVEN goals on the season. That accounts for just about 8 percent of the Rangers' total goals. Last season? They scored 16 percent of their goals from the blueline. Does that tell anyone anything? Was it all the lost of Erik GUSTAFSSON? Has MANCINI and JONES destroyed the offense?!? Of course not. The APPROACH is different. The D is no longer pinching. Why? Because the forwards aren't covering for them. And that's because the forwards are all going DEEP into the zone and they CAN'T cover them. But instead of crashing the net? They're playing the perimeter. They're playing 5-on-5 like they're playing the PP, and that's just a terrible approach. Not only are you literally HALVING the production from your defense, you're also not applying as much pressure in the O-zone. And that means teams can take more time with the puck. And that means teams can use missed shots to catch the D flat-footed...now put a pin in all of this for a sec...The other MASSIVE issues, as I continue to explain, is TOI...I say this time and time again: If you have a team that has 12 strong forwards and six strong defensement, you are at a SERIOUS advantage if you can roll four line/three pairings and keep your legs fresh. SERIOUS advantage. Fresh legs is how you create a relentless forecheck. Fresh legs is how you have a defender pinch in from the blueline to shoot from the top circle. Fresh legs is literally how you win games in the NHL...In contrast? Guys they have rubber legs simply CAN'T wage an aggressive forecheck and they don't. Tired players are also very typically mistaken for ones who float and don't care...because that's what you look like when you're gassed. That's what you DO when you're gassed. What else happens when you're fatigued? Welp, everything else goes to shit too. You hear PSAs about drowsy driving being akin to drunk driving? Well, it's the same fucking story in hockey. Your decision making is off. Your shot is off. EVERYTHING is off, because it's like you're playing the game after six beers...That's why it's batshit crazy to roll into the third period with your top scorer, one of your centers and two of your D men having 19 minutes in the book...there's just NO WAY those players are going to be anywhere near 100 percent going into the third...And then all off that compounds...the tired players don't forecheck, so it's that much tougher for them to gain possession. You have an opponent...and I guarantee the Hawks recognized this...that can essentially stay back, run a 1-3-1 trap and push ALL the skating right back onto the tired legs...and then you get what we got at the end of the game last night: A tired-ass group of eight players basically lobbing the puck back and forth and doing nothing substantively to put pressure on what for most teams would be a third-string goalie...So summing up? You tweak the game plan, and you start to lose. So you tweak it some more and play your best players more...and you lose more...then confidence comes into the mix, and you lose even more. At this point, the Rangers are a total fucking mess and really the only way to turn things around is a total reset...And that, friends, is firing Peter LAVIOLETTE. It's really the only choice now, outside of him finally figuring out what he had all summer to figure out.

RF, he didn’t give it up for no reason, his reason was he didn’t want to get hit, he avoids contact like the plague. It’s spreading around too, Will Cuylle is the only one who didn’t get the memo apparently.

A good coach would have zero problems defining merit and said coach would communicate that to his players so all understand (or should unless they're stupid). Of course it's not an exact science and all of what's happening in any particular circumstance on the ice, what the score is, at what point the game is at, and how the team overall is playing factor into icetime decisions. And some are beyond obvious. Z's atrocious play on the Hall goal (for no reason gives up the puck behind Igor then stands around in front taking no one) deserved a sit at the end of the bench for at least a shift and perhaps until the end of the period. But nope, there he was his next shift. That's not icetime based on merit...

JFC31 - "distributing ice on merit" is a nice thought and all...but your first step is defining what 'merit' is. How do you reward players? Based on goals? Shots blocked? Body checks? Back checks? Skating hard? All of the above?! It's a nice thought to reward those who are playing well and punish those who aren't...but you're also making subjective decisions inevitably, and you're going to end up punishing someone who deserves more ice and rewarding someone who doesn't. And you're also going to create a situation where you're putting an inferior team out there simply because you're trying to create a meritocracy. Applying this last night? Seemed to me that the line with the most jump in its step was the fourth line. Does that mean I'm going to skate them 20 minutes and bench the PANARIN line? Or Z? That's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Isn't Peca part of the existing coaching staff? Where's his input to right this ship now? So he needs to be the top banana to cause change? Booool Sheet

R47: They most certainly could do that coaching change now (of course with Peca agreeing with Drury to that plan) and then start working on moving out said players. I know it cannot happen all over night. But dropping Z from the PK and PP to me is an easy fix, albeit one that will likely make Z even more mopey than he already is. Hence why Drury needs to sit down with all of Z, K, P and T. Be forthright with your plan vs secretly working behind the scene to screw them over.

And if Lardiolette says he's onboard but doesn't manage his bench accordingly, he's gone!

RF4l: I agree with you. But I suspect it would work out better if they fire Lav, put Peca in charge as interim and wait to trade all those guys at the deadline when they will have the most value. Of course,that means this year is a bust, but it suspect it is anyway...

Sorry, meant to add a 2nd aspect to that plan: I'd sit down with Lardiolette before any conversations occur with any player and layout my plan. I'd ask him if he's onboard with it and prepared to support me on it and that support includes managing icetime in such a way that all of Laf, KK, Cuylle, Chytil (among others) are put in positions to succeed. If he is, he stays. If he balks, he's gone and replaced by someone fresh/new/capable and willing to get behind that plan.

To me the most logical and obvious change involves moving out the veteran leadership core and replacing it with some of the younger players. There are several of them chomping at the bit and most were high picks that came out of the rebuilding phase. And other than Mancini, all have NHL experience so it's not like you're handing over the reigns to a bunch of green rookies. Plus, given their numbers and experience, it wouldn't constitute a rebuild; instead it's sort of a retool. Of course, far easier said than done, especially when 3 of your veteran core are armed with lucrative long term contracts fortified by NMCs. If I was in charge, I’d approach individually all of Kreider, Zbad and Panarin and explain that my goal is to swap out the leadership core). As much as I like him, because he’s got a limited NMC, Kreider would be immediately shopped and sent to the highest bidder. Zbad I’d ask to waive his NMC (he can list certain teams he won’t agree to go to) and I’d explain if he chooses not to so be it, but he’ll be a 3rd liner with limited PP and PK duties and be stapled to the bench when a goalie is pulled. Panarin has a year left after this season – he’s still very effective so I’d prefer he stays if he buys into the new direction. If he’s not onboard, I’d ask him to waive his NMC (like Zbad, he can list certain teams he won’t agree to go to). You eat ¼ to 1/3 of his salary and you’ll get a fabulous return without a doubt. Trocheck I’d approach and explain my plan with the request that he buy in and stay on to assist with the leadership transition. Given what I’ve seen from him on the ice, I suspect he’d agree. If he’s not onboard, as with Zbad and P, give me who you won’t play for and I’ll shop you to the teams you will play for. Yes a very ambitious plan but one that AFAIC is desperately needed. Sather and Gorton initiated a deep rebuild several years ago and that resulted in the accumulation of some excellent talent. It’s time to let that talent take over the team.

Drury never gets fired just like sather ,....need to not go to games maybe then things will change.

Kind of makes sense to hire a vet-friendly coach since we first had a "veteran core". But this crap has to stop and Lav has to go since his bench management and system are not working. Hard to believe how far this group of skilled players has fallen this year...

Actually it started with AV and then has continued through 3 other coaches. It's gotta be a Ranger management directive, or at least desire and that flavours their decision in hiring head coaches. Incredibly enough, this extends through 3 presidents and 2 GMs. Is this a Dolans mandate?? Baffling!

JFC: Yep, posted about that a day or so ago: From DQ to GG to Lardiolette. This appears to be more than a coaching tactic - it's a Ranger management philosophy. FIRE DRURY!

Some stark numbers showing how bad the Rangers are lately: They are 2 and 8 in their last 10 with all losses occurring in regulation time, meaning out of 20 possible points, they've managed to collect a measly 4. In today's loser point game, that's truly pathetic. In addition, prior to this 10 game stretch they were battling for first place in the metro - if the Islanders win tonight they will push to Rangers into a non-PO position in the east. Truly an incredibly pathetic freefall that shows no signs of turning around.

How many fucking times have I said this in the last 6 years: “For it is time — well past time, actually — for Laviolette to distribute ice time wholly on merit and not on reputation.” - Larry Brooks. That’s almost word-for-word! These coaches are all hopeless vet-lovers!

PJ: I didn't think to look at ES vs PP SOG's, good point. Re Miller, maybe time to pair him with MANCINI?

E….Agree with much of what you said…However, Miller’s problem is not the wrong partner…He has been tried with everyone and now Schneider is stuck with him and that pairing is also bad…

mf…How many were on PP?….The line had no points with a ton of ice time vs the Blackhawks…Enough said…

Unless wrong way druray can actually get Tkachuk for a decent deal, Dolan should get on the phone with messier and see if he wants the job he was training for with his stepfather sather. And he should ask his president gm what his plans are including lardass. Otherwise they are back to being the ss minnow. Until they get back to basics and play defense as a unit of 5 especially in their own zone, this malaise will continue. And there’s no need for the $92 million dollar goalie who at some point might actually ask to be traded.

Show me teams that actually embrace bottom-up rebuilds and come out the other side with real success. Teams like Chicago and San Jose are stuck in massive rebuilds, and sure, they’ll probably see success eventually—that’s almost inevitable when you’ve got a generational player like Connor Bedard or an all-star-level guy like Macklin Celebrini. But then you look at Buffalo. This is a team that’s been picking in the top five basically forever. It’s like they’re in “year 10 of a 3-year rebuild.” And even now, with all that talent, they’re still struggling to make the leap. Or Edmonton, right? How many years did their so-called rebuild take? Over a decade. And even with two generational centers, they’ve still struggled to meet expectations. That kind of drawn-out rebuild just doesn’t work anymore. It’s not the way forward. The real model, at least in my opinion, is about being ruthless. You gotta be willing to cut bait—whether it’s for cap reasons, performance issues, or just knowing when to move on. Look at Tampa Bay. They dumped Steven Stamkos, unceremoniously. He was a franchise-level player, a two-time Stanley Cup champion, and the literal face of their team. But when the Lightning decided he wasn’t what they needed anymore or couldn’t afford under the cap? Bye-bye. That’s the kind of hard decision you need to make to stay competitive. If they can move on from Stamkos, then the Rangers can sure as hell consider moving on from Chris Kreider when the time comes. The key is knowing when to inject fresh energy into your roster. The problem is, no one wants to trade prime assets anymore. Outside of the Calgary-Florida blockbuster, when was the last time we saw a real needle-moving trade in the NHL? Maybe that changes when the cap goes up, but the league’s still gonna operate on a scale-of-economy basis. There’s so much young talent dripping into the NHL year after year that teams can hold salaries down and let prospects develop into stars. The Rangers don’t need a full teardown, and they definitely don’t need some kind of reactionary rebuild driven by anger and disappointment. What they need is a facelift. This is a team that’s built to score, especially on the power play. They can give up three goals and still win because they’ve got the offensive firepower to outscore their mistakes. But they’ve become too reliant on the power play. Last season, their 5v5 scoring wasn’t nearly good enough for a team this talented. That’s a problem. And it’s gotten worse. The PP is now dead in the water and theyre being exposed. Defensively? It’s been a mess for a while. They lack those simple, physical, shutdown defensemen who push opponents to the perimeter, make the game hard, and play a no-nonsense style. Justin Braun was the last guy who even came close to that, and he wasn’t exactly a top-tier defender. The current blue line is way too focused on skating and pushing the puck up ice. It’s all transition, no grit, and it leaves them exposed when things go the other way. Take K’Andre Miller, for example. Hes everybodies favorite target flavor of the month. His development feels like it’s stalled over the last season and a half. Why? Because his game—creative, dynamic, and forward-thinking—requires a partner who can let him be that player. Miller is at his best when he’s regaining possession, skating the puck up ice, and setting up plays. But when he turns the puck over, who’s covering for him? Nobody. And so, he’s forced to play more conservatively, which kills his creativity and confidence. His play in his own zone is getting worse by the day. It’s not that he’s forgotten how to play hockey—he’s just not set up for success. This has been a recurring issue for the Rangers. They’re always chasing big-name talent instead of addressing actual needs. And when things suck hes guilty of trying to make bad plays. And when things are all out of sync thats when apathetic plays show. Ryan Lindgren is another example. He’s a warrior, no doubt about it, but his effectiveness next to Adam Fox is starting to fade. Fox needs a big, stay-at-home defenseman who can let him work his magic. Otherwise, you’re wasting what Fox brings to the table. The solution here is simple: fix the defense. Get some guys who specialize in shutdown roles—players who can complement the offensive talent you already have. If you solidify the blue line, you’ll get a much clearer idea of what this team actually needs. Right now, the Rangers might not have the elite top-six depth they’d like, but a better defensive structure would still make them way more competitive. At the core of all this is the team’s overreliance on goaltending. That’s a shaky foundation. And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize this stagnation was inevitable. If you’re leaning on your goalie to bail you out every night, eventually it’s all gonna fall apart. You can’t win that way. Your goalie is your final defense, not your first layer. Show me a Rangers team that’s hard to play against defensively, and I’ll show you a team that racks up wins. Show me a Rangers team that’s all offense, no defense, and a brick-wall goalie, and I’ll show you a loser. Because when the offense cools down—and it will cool down—you’ll get exposed. Good teams, when they’re struggling, lose by a goal or two. The Rangers? They’re getting blown out. That’s not what good teams do. And if Laviolette, the so-called taskmaster, can’t get this team back on track? Get rid of him. Go get Quenneville or someone else who can light a fire under this roster. This is hockey. It’s not rocket science. The structure is important—faceoffs, power play, penalty kill, breakouts—but beyond that, you have to let players play. You can’t coach the creativity and skill out of them. At the same time, you need guys who specialize in the tough, grinding parts of the game. The Rangers don’t have enough of those players right now. There’s too much star power and not enough mucking. I think Maloney has touched on this before, even if he didn’t say it outright. And honestly, the way some Rangers fans are reacting right now? It’s a little over the top. But there’s truth in the criticism. This team needs balance, not just more stars. And if they don’t figure it out soon, they’re gonna waste the talent they have. End of rant… Airport edition

So will another shoe drop today? If so what us that shoe made up of? I wonder if Dolans has reached out to Brian Burke...

I wish we could blame Sather for all of this, but we can't anymore. Those were the days.

“The Rangers have been shackled by self-inflicted mistakes time and time again. A lack of physicality, drive and cohesion has continuously hindered their competitiveness.”….”“Could be fatigue, could be mental, could be anything. Regardless, it’s unacceptable. We’ve got to be better than that. You’re not going to win hockey games if you can’t execute. We haven’t talked about that much, but tonight, execution was clearly won with the puck. We couldn’t make five-foot passes or connect on a 20-foot pass or coming out of D-zone coverage or in the offensive zone, just couldn’t connect on our plays.”… the definition of a clueless coach…“It’s frustrating,” Laviolette said of the boos. “I get it. Deservedly so. When your pace should be at a higher level and your execution should be at a higher level, I get it. It’s frustration.”…. Will he ever admit to doing anything wrong or just continue to blame the players? …. He’s basically emotionless and doesn’t understand that they are following his example. He looks like a deer in the headlights…

Lardy said that they didn’t execute in the second and third periods. I think that they are executing him. He’s toast. He has no answers, solutions, or change of plans. He continues to do the same thing over and over and expects different results. Is wrong way druray on Christmas vacation? Did he send out another memo telling the gms we are closed for the holidays? Is he coach shopping? He should be. The Nyr have quit on him. There are 2 choices, fire the team or fire the coach. If he stays in denial on the Nile he will continue to play cya. And he was so excited about signing Igor. Does Igor have a 3 day period to change his decision? They can trade Fox like they traded leetch, and just go down the roster until at least half the team is gone. The better solution is to name one of the coaches as the interim head coach, preferably peca over ( don’t bet the) housley. The hockey gods are turning up the karma for the gm . …. Remember knoblach….maybe they sent a memo to Dolan….

“If Peter Laviolette expects things to change from his perch behind the bench, then the head coach might want to do something differently”… the coach watch is officially on

Another thing? And one of the MAIN reasons I say LAVIOLETTE has lost this team? They are playing a style that is utterly not working...and the more it fails, the more they double down on it. They are overthinking every goddamn play and trying to tic-tac-toe goals...They're overpassing. They're trying to dangle guys. And what they really need is to get the puck deep and go to the net and gut out goals...This team has become a turnover machine...they'll make five or six passes in the offensive zone and then take a shot that misses the mark, goes wide and leads to an odd-man rush...Also? Their giveaways over the past three games have been BRUTAL: 41. That is a TON of giveaways. They're normal in any game...but you balance those out by...surprise, surprise...getting takeaways...against the hapless Hawks, the Rangers had 16(!!) giveaways and...wait for it...TWO takeaways. TWO. That to me says the Rangers' forecheck was nonexistent...and that tracks exactly with what I saw on the ice...again...COACHING. These are things that should lead to guys getting benched, not sent back out there and played 23-25 minutes.

It's interesting to look at the Hawks in comparison. Very disciplined among the forward. Spread as it should be. The only guy who skated more than 18 was BERTUZZI, who had 19 minutes. This is a first-year coach who just took over the bench and he school LAVIOLETTE.

PJ/mf - TOI is ABSOLUTELY the problem here...Yeah, KREIDER and SMITTY Jr. skated a few minutes less...but those minutes went to PANARIN and TROCHECK...the fact that EDSTROM, with 6 minutes of ice, got more shots on net that TROCHECK, with 23 minutes of ice, should say it all. This team needed speed, muscle and above all, SHOTS ON NET...and the line that delivered all of that was kept pinned to the bench after the second goal, which had next to nothing to do with them.

The thing with 'disinterested' is that it is a kissing cousin of exhaustion. 'Disinterested' is what professional athletes look like when they dig deep and there's nothing there. And when it comes to this team, you have eight guys that are gassed, getting quite literally more than a third of the game in ice. Just think about that for a second...This was a game where it was SO PAINFULLLY EASY to skate four lines. The Hawks have a popgun offense, their D isn't that good and they have an AHLer in net. ALL the Rangers needed to do in this game was roll four and go hard on each shift...LAVIOLETTE actually started the game giving some ice to fourth line and including third in the regular rotation. But the first PP threw everything off and he came back basically rolling one-two...Logic here? You beat them up with PP1, and then overwhelm them with lines 1 and 2...don't give them a chance to breathe...But here's the problem: Those guys are already gassed from skating a third of the game on Sunday. So you blow their legs in the first, go down a goal in the second and now desperation sinks in. So LAVIOLETTE shortens his bench even further...He was throwing the PANARIN line out every other shift by the end of the game, basically rotating it with the Z and CHYTIL lines...so basically 2-1-2-3-2-1-2-3-4...2 being the PANARIN line. The utter and flat stupidity of this is staggering...Next: No dount, BOTH K'Andre MILLER and Adam FOX are struggling...well...WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY SKATING 22 minutes?...The absolute irony here is that the guys most willing to take that kind of beating with ice...the youngest players...are getting the least amount of minutes...Again. If you want your team to have pop, PLAY THESE GUYS. I've been watching EDSTROM and BERARD for years now, and there is positively no reason either guy couldn't play 12 minutes in the NHL per night...likewise, with MANCINI. He's not where I think he should be, but he's a good enough defenseman to skate 17 or 18 minutes...ESPECIALLY in a game against the worst team in the league...Will CUYLLE has been the best Ranger forward through this slump and he gets only 14? Again...THIS IS A COACHING PROBLEM. There are poor decisions being made behind the bench, and until that changes? The results will be exactly the same. Either LAVIOLETTE wakes up and stops trying to sledgehammer a circle peg into a square hole or they fire him and let someone else figure it out. Every game since the Florida series he's gotten progressively worse with his utter and just dumbfounding reliance on eight players. There isn't a team in the NHL that can win like that. The closest would be the Oilers and they have the best player since GRETZKY in the lineup...and they still failed.

PJ: I was focusing on pursing out the TOI because that theoretically keeps the players most rested game after game throughout a season. Live & die with the clock calling the shots. At this point in time, I'd go with a 2:1 ratio of LHS/RHS, I don't care what combo was the hottest line combo in the league last season. That means: Kreider/Trocheck/??? - Panarin/Chytil/??? - Zbanejad flanked by any two LHS Wings, which may influence which Wings wind up on the other 3 lines. Example: IF Zbad is flanked by Cuylle & KaKKo, that leave Smith & Laffy as RW's on the other 2 lines..... Panarin/Chytil/Smith might be interesting & effective. Kreider/Trochek/Lafreniere as well... These don't work? then readjust, just keep the 2:1 RHS-LHS ratio at least for the next couple of games, but try something different. This makes sense to me. jmo-n

mf...Kreider and Smith had less time at ES tonight than Cuylle, Chytil and Kakko...The Trocheck line had crazy minutes...Z should have been sat after the first goal....He should be off the PP all together in my opinion...

VCP: IMO there is no RW that's, "The Answer." The first answer, which was called for going back to last season, was/is to have Kreider and Zibanejad on different lines at even strength. Mabe if we post it often enough, some schmuck will get the message up to the players, coaches, & GM. K & Z can play together on special teams, NOT at even strength! Next, the clock, the clock, the clock. Gee Wiz, beginning immediately, each top 3 lines starts with 16:00 TOI, 4th Line starts with 12:00 TOI. Answer / Coach to the Clock, "inanimate object." Adjust TOI based upon special team play during the game. It should be easy enough to track, the teams are afforded Tablets to review play, track the TOI dynamically throughout the contest... I think this is the place to immediately start (and has been) before warming up the next Traderator...

If both got canned which ain't happening I would feel better still time to turn things around.need the right GM/president and we don't have it. Only ZBAD and kreider know the truth plus they never got them a winger that's on Drury , Smith ain't the answer.

My middle daughter and I are in NYC for a quick Christmas solo daughter-dad getaway. She’s 15 and somehow love the NYR (the first boy 1 of my 3 that caught the bug). Went to both games. Boos raining in at the end of the game tonight’s. Something is clearly off with this team. Mishandles, misfires, just total dysfunction across the board except Shesty tonight. Not even sure what the remedy is at this point tbh. Despite the two losses she loved going to MSG for the first time, and second time. I thought surely we’d win one of these. I said maybe we should have saw that Broadway play. She said, no Dad, I still had a really good time. Keep things in perspective my Ranger Wall family. Especially during this time of year. There will be good times again, if not for us, our kiddos lol. Happy Holidays from NYC

If Bruins can fire Monty we can fire Lav. We can’t trade the whole so the coaches have to go. And I’d bet my house that Zbad would never agree to a trade, it’s too nice being rich in Manhattan. The team is an embarrassment, no pride, no heart. Dolan will force something to happen.

Defense is poor fox is awful and miller. Lindgren also is average. Eh we can do this forever.. Drury won't get fired . Lavy maybe but I doubt it. It's the players and the coach ...

BTW I view this place as my Ranger family. Yeah sappy and overly sentimental but it's true. You all help keep me relatively sane!!!

Jfc31 it's really a cluster fuck..I agree keep , Schneider, maybe miller, cuylle , laffy, kakko, edstrom, heck maybe Fox has to go what is wrong with him still injured ????? something is wrong. Rebuild now !!!no one can coach this team not GG not lavy, it's the core .

RF4L…..LOL! I was going to drop the DESPO name after writing that! The thing I love about this site is all the cool dudes I have met here over the years. You Colorado Mark and HOSPO at the top of that list!

It’s weird. You had gallant who didn’t coach he just threw guys out there mostly veterans. He gets whacked when the players all say they need somebody that’s really gonna coach them so they get somebody that’s really gonna coach them and they go two games away from the Stanley Cup finals. And now they’re performing like this? Personally, I think it’s the Goodrow and true stuff from the Somer that has caused this problem. And nobody has stepped up to lead, and that includes true, but who was playing like he was sulking. His lack of effort on so many plays was outrageous. Third and fourth lines are the only ones that are putting out the effort. Panera is still special. He’s still gonna get his points people bag on him for not working hard. I don’t agree with that but like with anybody else that does what he does it’s about results. He’s on about a 100 point pace you can’t replace that with somebody else. Drury is getting beaten up over the true thing, but other guys have done that Tampa Bay has done that more than once. The big one to remember was when they did it with Ryan McDonough. They told him to accept the trade or they’re putting them on waivers and he went to Nashville. I am all for the players, having no trade lists and no movement clauses, and all of that but then when the clubs use whatever tools are available to move on from somebody their vilified I don’t think that’s right either Now we’ll see when we get the free agency and such if players don’t wanna come in play in New York. Everybody including Henrik and other ex players consistently rave over how the Rangers treat their players so that is never been an issue until perhaps this off-season. There was no way that the goalies were going to be able to keep up with what they were doing in the first month of the season. The really puzzling one is Mika. How can he have fallen so far so fast. It’s looking like he’s 36 years old instead of 31. He has no confidence. It seems like since he became a daddy everything is gone. He spends all the time mugging for his little ones in the glass during warm-ups and then doesn’t do anything at all during the games. At least last year they didn’t score as much as in the past, he certainly prevented goals but this year he’s the king of minus is on the team now getting to Fox opponents figure out the move that these guys have Fox was never a great skater and he’s playing with guys that can’t get the job done Miller and Lindgren. Lindgren really seems to have lost something off of his game, but keep in mind The forwards don’t backcheck they constantly are giving up. Odd man rushes makes everybody look bad right. True is sad last year that this would be the last year for this core and he was absolutely right about that.. Jury is not been perfect for sure but he’s not been the disaster that everybody’s making him out to be. I was glad he didn’t trade true but to Detroit because Eiserman always hoses Druery and getting rid of Truba and getting rid of the cat hits of both Truba and Goodrow were very good moves for the club and then he gets just stuck inside so the Rangers are going to have good goalies for the next eight years at least Henrik and then Shesterkin who’s ever had a run of goalies like that. Anyway, I’ve I won’t say I’ve lost interest, but it’s been very difficult to watch other than the first few weeks of the season, someone said earlier that they never saw a less effective 131 neutral zone check and I agree with you whoever said that it’s absolutely dreadful. All they do is give up odd man rushes on it and the opponents easily break it so, now that we don’t have a team in Arizona anymore I actually have to travel just to go to a road game so I initially was planning to go to LA in Anaheim but maybe I won’t now we’ll see how things go. I’m not gonna turn all negative here yet. It’s frustrating but it’s still December and they go on a street the second half of the year all that matters is that they’re in the playoffs and how they’re playing when they get there and as you saw last year they have a goalie that can take them a long way so I’m not going full negative yet

Hospo, I agree. Drury IMO went from mediocre,let’s wait and see, to he is just awful, total crap, and clueless. He has to go with Laviolette. And ASAP. Doubt that happens because Dolan probably hasn’t even realized hockey season has started yet.

And yeah, I was the one that said they had to play thrugh this crap and come out better..but that was befor Dumbfuck Drury's moves last week..the total quit job ..and the embarrassment of the past two days

NYStranger - Trades will mean jack shit as long as the Nero of this situation keeps on fiddling as his house/city Burns down..Laviolette and players will go, but it won't be enough..but, you have to start somewhere, anywhere..but yes...anybody but Cuylle, Kakkao, Chytl, Igor, LAFFY (though he sucks ass right now) and Schnieids (becasue he's still a favorit..Any of the rest can go in a NY second

This is so puzzling besides being disgusting to behold. This team should have been building on last season, but instead has totally quit on the season. Any game this season that didn’t come easy they folded like a Rod Dugauy leisure suit. Is this becasue the team realized what was needed this year to win and did not get that in the off season and is pouting? Is it becasue they saw what happened to Goodrow and Trouba and that effected them? Is it because they don’t think the coach is the right fit and are rebelling? Is it because all the vets are overpaid and have no accountability? Are they all substance abusers? Are they purposely throwing games to pay off a debt to a Russian mobster? Is Drury just that bad? LOL. Whatever the case this team is not worth watching unless you like to savor soap operas. The sooner the firings/tradings commence the better. And they fucking better not sacrifice youth over these POS vets or I might really become an Islanders fan like Drew!!! I can’t believe I just typed that…

Kreider and Fox could be moved easily…Z would be difficult because of the term…Also, he could refuse and very well may…

andrei/vcp - where to look to make changes? We had the best offensive line in the NHL last season. Although they’ve not reached that level this season and although individually they are not without fault, that’s not where I look. Cuylle looks great, Chytil (when healthy) is a difference maker, Kakko is not a “problem.” So, what does that leave? It leaves the Zibanejad line and the defense! THAT is where I’d go to shake this team to its literal core. How long have the Bromance Bros. been together? How many times have we seen these CRAZY waves of incompetence and team-wide lack,of effort over the years? Aren’t they PROMINENT common denominators? If Fox has a physical problem with that knee then someone better fucking come out and say it because HIS performance is inexplicable me…the lack of jump, the loss of dynamic movements at the offensive point, the LAZY LOOK of his play is JARRING in comparison to how we’ve seen him play in the past. He almost looks,like an older superstar whose age has suddenly caught up with him….but, he’s only 26-years old. That’s how far down his level of play has dropped. This team may need a CRAZY trade that sends out a great player for a HAUL and some HEART…maybe it’s Fox, maybe it’s Miller. Lindgren is who he is…trading him doesn’t bring back a difference-maker IMO unless he’s part of a package. Yep, a BLOCKBUSTER I think is the only way out of this. Drury made a HUGE mistake giving Zibanejad a NMC because he doesn’t have the heart and w and Kreider have a persona not conducive to winning a Cup.

Not a consolation price, but Rangers have a real star coming up in Gabe Perreault. Kid is going to be special.

Hospo, they aren't worth watching now, so what's the difference? No one says start the rebuild of the rebuild, but there is a lot good vets you can get for cap space of $15 mil (ZShit and Kreider) that will help a new coach to build better defensive pairs, checking line, better 4th line. Add $9 mil, if Fox is traded and we are talking about real options here.

Speaking of a new coach, will he have balls to switch ZShit to a wing and move Kappo to the middle?

Andrei - Rangers aren't worth watching if they quit on this season and the next three....but...they still ain't quitting yet after overpaying igor...if they punt, they should start with dealing panarina and fox, and get something worthwhile back....then deal the other schmucks

Jfc31, I agree, I would do a complete house sweep. To me, if the player is not part of the solution, he is part of the problem. Out of all vets, would keep Trocheck and Panerin though. hat's me, some will disagree. Rest, could all go, for all I care.

Personally, I much rather see it is happening now and there is time to clean up the house, vs a playoffs 1st round sweep, cause this is what waiting for Rangers, if they somehow to stay .500 hockey rest of the way and grab the last WC spot. They will get embarrassed in the playoffs. This is not a Cup winning team. Not by a long stretch.

PJ/Norton - That's what we need!...a dus briver..not all these pansy passengers!

Good thing they got rid of trouba goodrow and sent rempe down. Now nobody os expected to hit. Its easier to lose that way

Jfc31 right on brother. It ain't ZBAD, kreider, panarin or fox..this core is finished. Or just keep Panarin and build a new number one line or call it the cuylle line . Oh well that was already suggested. Last place is around the corner.

Hospo buddy. Shout serenity now. I saw your curse fest outburst. Hahaha. Sound like me

Andrei of course Laviolette's lack of accountability and horreddous ice time management are cause for firing but, imwo, if the team is fucked in the head or quitting, it's against Drury..though Big Country will be Drury's 2nd sacrifice...then Kakkao

Bob I think the GM has lost the team as well as the coach..You keep either, I think they are fucked..but 1 gone is better than none

Worthless fucking team. I guess i should be happy i couldnt wstch with it being on NHL network again. Fucking channel carries their games all the time. Why dod i sogn up for espn+

Hospo, I don't disagree. It starts and ends with Lavi. Not trying to defend Drury, but it is on coach to put a system in place and hold players accountable. Having a game plan that 100% depend on goalie to keep you in a game, is it a really playbook anyone can defend?

PJ - I agree with you on Panarina being part of the problem..with his too often lazy and selfish not 2-way play..but he can still excell offensively unlike some of the others

Well, I switched to YouTube TV a few months ago and of course they don’t have NHL network. So it irritates me whenever the Rangers are on NHL network I can’t watch and that also means I wasn’t able to watch either of these last two games. As of this moment, I’m feeling like I was blessed. I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed but looks like a coach losing a team so quickly. Now I was aware that the first year is always Lavie’s best year. But geez. These guys get out worked every night. This whole thing has gone down the tubes awfully quickly.

rf4lm, speaking of Panerin. As much as Artemi is fit, playing him every other shift is just insanity, but Lavi does it. So that's that. Panerin should be playing 16-18 minutes a game to stay effective and productive.

Andrei. Fair enough but your buddy P is also part of the problem. I know you'll disagree so let's agree to disagree on that.

Buffalo fans are booing, they blew another 3 goal third period lead. There problems will be over soon as I think the Rangers play them soon!

If Drury is waiting on a trade he has loaded, he needs to pull the trigger because it looks like that’s what these guys are waiting for…it’s like they are completely rattled. The PASSING by the Rangers, particularly in the 3rd period, was some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Zibanajad is LOST. Could it be that Drury approached him about a trade and now he’s completely downtrodden? Or could it be that he thinks his butt buddy is going to be traded so he’s in preemptive mourning? There was a play in the 3rd where he had to have known that a hard wrap-around the boards was coming in the offensive zone and he just didn’t get there to the left wing boards…he went towards it but was way late. Absolutely awful. This team has me completely stumped….I’d usually have something I could point to to try and explain why a NY Rangers team is not playing well but a drop off like this when they should be PEAKING as a Cup contender just doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s a malaise that is inexplicable and I’m sick of blaming the coach. This team is SOFT and as someone said last night, without Trouba all,they have left is “quiet leaders.” That doesn’t work….a team needs an EMOTIONAL LEADER….a guy who is the HEART of the team and if there is one on this team, he hasn’t stepped up. All I can know for sure is this….its not Kreider, it’s not Zibanejad, it’s not Fox and it’s not Panarin. And that is “the core”….and many have been saying this team is rotten at the core. At this point, I’d entertain trading FOX…no joke. Drury has to do a HEART TRANSPLANT and change this team. Incant think of anything else to do….he can’t keep blaming the coaches

Yes, Z and Kreider are causing our entire F to play poorly…Especiially Miller…Also, Laff is so traumatized by watching them he now sucks…

andrei - The bigger problems are the head of the stinking fish..Dickweed Drury and Laviolette have turned them into a laughing stock...Letting too many vets suck and suck and suck and suck..nd keep playing...and they play pussy hockey

rf4l, that's said, if Miller end up looking for a huge payday, by all means, trade him at the draft. Will no loose sleep over it.

Hey maybe Lardiolette wants to be fired. Surely he's financially set. He's 60. He's won a cup. He's got what 3 more years on his deal. He's been there done that in terms of a team with aging entrenched leaders that to break means a ton of tension/stress/strength and simply doesn't want to endure that. Whatever it is clearly he needs to go and go NOW. Unless James Hagen is the target!!!

rf4l, I'm not a Miller supporter, but yes, I do like Panerin. You can win with Panerin. You can win with ONE line playing finesse style. You can't win when the whole fucking team plays like that. Every damn line.. I would like to see what a good coach can do with Miller. There is just too much talent there. No point of giving him away for pennies.

Hospo, trading Troba was like treating a symptom without fixing a health problem. Obviusly Trouba had to go. But the main problem starts and ends with 93 and your favorite, Kreider who plays like he no longer gives a shit. Unfortunately, Fox seems to be part of don't give a shit club as well.

Yep. As the losing pressure mounts the vet stroking coach ups his flawed strategy. Lol.

Ooops..Drury And Fat Fuck COuntry are the ones that should go..and prancing, skipping Meeka too...Fuck, Pouting Panarina and Mentl Midget MIller also...and....six others.....damn.What an effin disgrace...

PANARIN skated 25 minutes. MILLER skates 23. TROCHECK and FOX skate 22. LAFF and Z skate 20. I can’t even tell you guys how stupid that kind of bench management is against a young team that has…or had…18 points on the season. LAVIOLETTE has lost this team and his fucking mind. They can’t fire him quick enough.

You know it’s bad when you see Buffalo highlights and are jealous of the effort.

Andrei…You never said one thing about Miller the entire game…Not on that play or any other…

Somebody please throw their helmet!!! Anybody but Meeka..who throws like a fucking girl....How the hell do you lose to CHICAGO??? Way to read your team DIPSHIT DRURY....He's the fuck that should be gone..then him..then Meeka..but none will go

Andrei..Stand corrected..Seeing Panarin and Miller fuck up the play threw me off…Of course you never mentioned who actually turned the puck over…

If I was coach, I would sit every single motherfucker from PP1. They are ALL terrible.

PJ, you need glasses, dude. Who do you think was behind the play? Watch the replay. Unless there is another one 93 with much needed haircut on the team.

Andrei…Z and Kreider weren’t on the ice for the breakaway…I know it is disappointing…

AYFKM?????? Just came back from dinner and these bunch of schmoes are losing to CHicago?????

Laviolette is going for more offense and he goes with ZShit and Kreider and Panerin.. Just can't make it up...

TD, agree, the entire top 6 are playing like they don't give a shit. The d is another story. I think they care, they just suck!

Been taking the easy way and it is not working…No repercussions so they continue to do it…Now I am not sure they know how to get out of it…

Gee, scoring on those two PP would have helped, right Lavi? But you know better. No need to change. PP is smoking hot..

If they come out hitting relentlessly in the third as they should to avoid losing to the other worst team in hockey, they should win easily. The over-under on that happening is formidable.

MC - those two are getting too much ice, but damn, they pale in comparison to the PANARIN line. Like I keep saying: LAV is basically skating eight guys, and the dudes with energy…who are actually playing pretty good…are sitting on the bench. The Rangers look slow because those eight guys are gassed.

Folks don't realize missing Goodrow now trouba does something to the heart of a team. Yep they should be faster but they aren't moving that's mental..First line blows .

Hey Zmouse look at what your teammate does despite having to worry about concussions ending his career: https://x.com/DaveyUpper/status/1866294412504137868/video/1

I’ve said this before but this is basically the same team as last season. How can we be playing so different? The whole mindset of this team seems different.

I don’t disagree the coach has lost the team but where is the pride? Or the fact you get paid millions to play a sport. Unbearable to watch, there is no reason for the Rangera to lose to the much less talented Chicago.

PANARIN, TROCHECK, and FOX have each skated more than 15 minutes through two. PANARIN has had 16:19 in ice and is on pace for almost 25 minutes. Do you all know how crazy AND stupid that is?!

Teams realize Rangers aren’t difficult to play against and gain confidence as the game progresses….Laviolette is on his way out for sure…Doesn’t matter where you assign blame…

TD. Yep. Been saying the same thing for a month now. How long will numb hands Drury continue to play with his pecker. He sux too

They should be embarrassed but look like they don't give a shit. Who wants to bet that fat fuck gives Z and Kreider and Panarin the most ice time again? Oh, ya, I forgot, they deserve it! I agree coach has to go. My little grand daughter says the coach plays Z and Kreider too much. She would make a better coach!

fotiu22 - again, LAVIOLETTE has lost this team. He can’t motivate them and they’re not doing anything to suggest they’ve got a strategy.

Said it yesterday, a loss to either Blackcocks or Burfallo and Lavi should be spending time polishing up his resume. I really don't remember seeing Rangers playing worst. All they do is ruining around like headless chickens..

If we need to wait for another trade there will be no playoffs. They are not listening to any coach. He does not motivate them at all

The PANARIN line played ZERO defense. They pretty much just hang out waiting for the puck to pop up to the top of the circle. Even TROCHECK isn’t getting down low. Just letting the Hawks wander around the zone with no coverage. This is terrible hockey by any standard.

I mean such boring, uninspired hockey. They are just going through the motions. Something’s gotta give and soon.

andrei…They have not played good at all…And guess what?…The rest of the team is playing like crap also…Your focus is on them only which is my point…

PANARIN doing it all himself?! Well shit, he’s already skates almost 15 minutes and it’s not even the third yet. This LAVIOLETTE bench management is even worse than GALLANT.

If you don’t think LAVIOLETTE has lost this team, then the only other choice is that he is a terrible coach. He needs to go. Bigtime.

PJ, sure. Both ZShit and Kreider have played great, last game and before and I'm simply picking on them. You got me, dude..

BTW in the vein of misery loves company glad to see the board finally start to realize Milller is not a top 2 dman. Problem is his value is plummeting to be a bottom pairing.

Andrei…Every game it is them and nobody else…You are obsessed to the point of being ridiculous…

PJ, right cause I'm hating on them.. Nothing at all to do with how ineffective Kreider have being, right? Cause God forbit we see a former 1st overall on PK, or 2nd overall for that matter, cause neither one ever did in the past, right?

Miller can’t play with Trouba….Not good with Fox….Put him with Schneider and that will work….No it is him and always has been….

I know why the fat man can't be fired by Dreary, but how in the actual fuck does Houseley still have a gig?

Laff’s poor play is on him…Has nothing to do with players not even on his line…

Andrei. Could be. It's definitely continuing to retard KK's development. Qi think part of Laffy's issue is he sees it but is unable to do anything about it. Remember this kid captained many of his trams and led them. Watching the vet stroking crap must be beyond frustrating for him. But because he's a character guy brought up to keep your head down when you're not in charge he says nothing

Andrei…Many on the Rangers are a bigger threat?…You are a fan of hating these two players….Nothing else….It is pathetic…

rf4l, refreshing to see ZShit right back on the ice the next shift, while Kappo was collecting splinters when he turned the puck over last game? When people ask what could be wrong with the locker-room, how can there not be a divide between kids and vets?

Kis, you are talking about Lavi, a stubborn old-timer coach, who thinks he knows better. So lines will stay the same regardless how much it makes sense to break them apart. I'm talking about simply take advantage of the home ice that is offered to head coaches. Why not use it??

Watching the replay on the Hawks goal. Zweep gives it up behind the net then goes in front and covers no one. How can this cheap be continually tolerated? His issues started LAST DECEMBER offensively. This year especially lately now has extended to his play away from the puck far too often. I am just baffled.

PJ, were is the right word. Were great. There is plenty of players on this team that should be on PK over those two. Remind me again when was the last time Kreider drove to the net?

andrei…Z and Kreider are probably two of the most dangerous penalty killers in the league…

Andrei, why not move zbad down to the second PP and let him take faceoffs. Laffy can take his place on the first unit

Gee, no ZShit and no Kreider on PK, driving to the net instead of passing. What a concept. Imagine that...

Something I will never understand. As a coach, you have home advantage as far as line changes. You are stubborn fucken coach. Fine, keep the same lines, but why not start 2nd unit against top PK unit??? You will than have an advantage after 1st comes on 45-50 seconds later? Your 2nd pair lacks on faceoffs, why not have Trocheck take 1st faceoff on the 2nd unit? Simple, no?

Trying to watch this team is extremely difficult right now. They just aren’t fun to watch and playing like a bunch of individuals. I’m not sure how you don’t blow this up by either a major trade or firing the coach.

Kevin Weekes: In speaking with sources, I’m told @NYRangers have had no internal , nor external conversations around the @Senators Captain Tkachuk.

Hospo- maybe we don’t want someone to stand in front of the net…might bother the goalie. I give up.

PJ - it's lie sticking needle in one's eyes...Keep working, you might draw penalties

What is it with this long cross ice pass for a poor angle shot?….Don’t get it…

KK needs to stop wtching Panarina and those long EW passes..but then had another fine set up

Z giveaway. GOAL! This after a Smith giveaway. Line should miss a bunch of shifts. But won't.

Berard replacing Vesey on the 4th line. Will he get over 7 minutes of icetime? I say no.

Brady has been as blank faced as possible. The fact that Ottawa is pretty much a black hole for your career like it was for EK who literally was the best 2-way defender in the NHL. Would Brady approve a trade to NY if asked? Probably. Not that he’s been asked. And if I was Ottawa I’d have no interest in trading Brady. But other factors matter. And I really think that finally it is obvious to all that the Rangers can score a bunch of goals on you and then tell you that they’ve got an Igor so you can’t score as much as they can. That’s been the way. And here comes our PP of doom. Now? 5v5 they’re shit. Defensively their crap. Like one of the worst in the NHL level suck. The PP has dried up and Igor and Quick spend games are under siege. Drury knows this. What can he do? Who can he get? What can the Rangers afford? But they don’t at minimum get that defense addressed hope is absurd. I’m sure at some point the offense will improve but with a defense this porous? Poorest execution of a 1-3-1 I’ve seen at the NHL level in a while.

ALSO: In regard to Kreider: he's been struggling with back problems for most of the season. He still needs a few games to straighten out his game... In regards to trades: I don't know what Drury is planning, but unless we're getting Brady Tkachuk back in a deal, WILL CUYLLE needs to be in the top six. Ride him until he goes down in flames. If he doesn't, all the better for us. Put Smith on the 3rd line or until we get someone better. Our biggest need right now needs to be a LHS Top 4 defenseman. Look under every rock. JMO, of course.

In regard to Yesterday's game. I totally agree with Steve Valiquette's take on it. I don't think Quick had his best stuff either. I also don't agree that this team has quit on Laviolette. What they're going through now is mostly mental. Make a mistake and they're just waiting for the other shoe to drop the of thing.... After tonight, we'll be 1/3rd of the way through the season... The next 5-6 games will of course be telling. I don't think we've played our best hockey yet.... In regard to ZBAD... I think some here need to stop just hate-watching him. Sure there was a chunk of the early season where he just all out sucked, but over his last six games he has been playing well. He's doing a lot of the little things again. His line has given up only one 5v5 goal in the last six games. In regard to Z on the PK: I don;t know how the heck one can blame him for that goal., If his stick doesn't break, he clears the puck from the zone. What is he then supposed to do with no stick on the PK? It pretty much gave SEATTLE a 5-on-3 advantage.

I was pushing this one about a year ago, and makes sense to dust it off again: The deal I'd look to make? Pull Nico STURM and Luke KUNIN out of San Jose. Both are UFAs. Both are physical. Both are good defensively. KUNIN has some pop offensively. STURM is good at faceoffs...Granted, I wouldn't move KAKKO in a deal like that unless there was more to it...Maybe those two and Filip BYSTEDT for KAKKO and Sam CARRICK? That would let you potentially move CHYTIL to wing with KREIDER and Z...then you could have KUNIN center CUYLLE and SMITTY Jr., and STURM centering EDSTROM and VESEY. Team gets tougher, for sure. And they'd get a good center prospect.

JFC31 - Not that I'm disagreeing, but GEORGIEV will always have a special place in my heart for cleaning DeANGELO's clock.

Georgymhas always been a malcontent and a head case….just not a nice person or good team mate.

Haha I definitely could see the Rangers moving KAKKO. TBH, he's really the only guy they can move to get anything of value...of course, what they get back will not be of the value of KAKKO...and let me say this: There's no move I can see this team making that will change where it is at with their coach...But were I to call the ball, I'd say KAKKO's time with the Rangers is either nearing or at an end.

One of my favorite lines from the movie “the Player”, Tim Robbins who runs the studio asks, “are the rumors true?” Of the rumors that he may be being replaced, and the other guy says “all rumors are true, you know that”

Wild... Right now, there are just too many trade rumors to even mention. Kappo Kakko seems to be the NYR soup du jour.

Haha remember when fans were absolutely FREAKING OUT that the Rangers didn't get more for GEORGIEV?! The Avalanche essentially gave him away and paid to do it with an NHL-ready prospect...or a second rounder...depending how you want to look at it, I suppose.

Geo along with a 4th, 2nd and Kovalenko traded to Sharks for Blackwood, Smith and a 5th.

LOL...if ANYONE out there isn't fully convinced of Dotard Brooks making shit up, you gotta read the Ottawa Citizen story: "While a Post report on Friday suggested the Rangers were working on a blockbuster deal to acquire Tkachuk as part of a trade that would involve defenceman Jacob Trouba, a well-placed source told Postmedia, “It’s total bulls***.” Another source called the Tkachuk report “garbage.” The Senators have no intention of dealing Tkachuk — to New York or anywhere else for that matter. The expectation is that Andlauer will address the issue with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly at some point during the session that will wrap up on Tuesday."

Trade details: To #GoAvsGo : G Mackenzie Blackwood F Givani Smith 2027 5th Rd Pick To #sjsharks: G Alexandar Georgiev F Nikolai Kovalenko 2026 2nd Rd Pick 2025 5th Rd Pick

So, the Ottawa Senators owner, Michael Andlauer is now accusing the NYR's of soft tampering with Brady Tkachuk. What is soft tampering? That's when a team intentionally leaks a story to a beat writer to let a player know that that team is indeed interested in him. to be fair, the NYR's have used BROOKS a lot over the years to do just that. We did it with Panarin, we did it with Trouba, we did it with Fox, etc. The Sens owner is pissed of continually having to talk to Tkachuk because. other teams keep thinking he's available (for eg. STL and others)... but, it's pretty damn hard to prove it... ALSO.... the have been rumors that Brady's not happy and that's what's started this.... Stay tuned. I'm sure the drama with continue at the GM meetings.

So the Ottawa owner has publicly accused the Rangers of 'soft tampering' in reference to the Brady Tkachuk to the Rangers rumours. What an idiot. It was LB who floated that rumour, not Drury or anyone else from the Rangers and the Rangers have fired back calling it an irresponsible accusation and referred it to Buttplug and company. Sounds like the Sens owner has his knickers in a knot because his team stinks. Again.

Mf lardy going to be sleeping with the fishes. That’s one way druray can get rid of him.

Legs: are you bringing one of the 7 fishes to Lavys for Christmas? Get me an invite, I'll bring the Gefilte and horseradish. Merry Xmas from the Lavy's :-)

I wouldn't use "best" to describe anything the Rangers did or anyone of their skaters. They fucking sucked yesterday. Full stop. The people who sucked the worst were the top seven...FOX included.

So in the world of wall speculation it sure seems like the Nyr have quit on lardy. And his boss wrong way druray wrote his secret memo because he knows that. I don’t believe it was done just to trade Trouba. This will all come to a head before game 42. Because it’s the Christmas giving season, hockey takes a back seat to shopping. These two so called leaders are not being followed. Paying fans are gifting their money to msg. But they might be saved from having to pay for playoff tickets. It sure looks like it will be 31 years and counting.

Half ass play during the last minute of 2nd period Laf did not hustle on the breakout not tipping the puck over the red line, called Iceing on next face off they score go ahead goal late in 2nd period. After his Big contract he is stuck spending money vs playing hockey. OTOH Fox was the best Ranger yesterday. Many players just STANDING around in 3rd period. Bench them if not putting in the effort at both ends of the ice. Don’t be a Pussy Lav.

Rhet0ric - re, JT MILLER...suffice to say, we can agree to disagree. And I firmly disagree that he's some sort of 'cancer' in the locker room. I've never heard that. Not even from the Rangers, where he wore out his welcome with management. His problems aren't on the ice and they're not in the locker room. They're off-ice. I can say I don't think anyone will mistake him for being this magnanimous figure for teams...but cancer? Nope. That ain't it. He got a ticket out of New York for shit he was doing off the ice, and they pegged him as a problem waiting to happen. His time in Tampa was cut short by the cap. Plain and simple. And they didn't see him as a viable part of their core...Vancouver? Dude, they've liked him there well enough there that they traded Bo HORVAT just to get him that contract...And then to have RUTHERFORD come out and state, pretty unequivocally that his absence is related to MILLER, personally, and not related to a trade...that they are NOT looking to trade him? That's not something a GM says when they're working the phones. Could he be shopping him secretly? Yeah, sure. Anything is possible...it's just not likely.

I feel overwhelmingly compelled to keep saying this: ALL ROADS LEAD TO THE COACH. I simply don't understand how the media isn't picking up on this...I mean, I get this idea that players have to own their performances...but man, you gotta fucking coach. If a guy isn't responding. If he's giving half-effort. Sit his ass. If, as VALLIQUETTE says, the guys are 'in position'...I don't for one minute believe they are...and they're not 'doing what they need to do...' when IN that position, then what the fuck? If you're the coach, it's YOUR JOB to correct those players or fucking sit them for not listening...but what I see is a coach who is quite literally coddling his veterans. The very small example was Z. He knocked his ice down when he started struggling...but a couple games later? It's back...Again...if the only reason we can get is that these guys aren't listening...well...again...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE COACH. I guess you can blame some of it on team culture...but again...that is set by the coach. You let guys glide, cruise and do this zero-defense shit...you get what we saw on Sunday. You can bring in an energy guy...and they did with BERARD...but it ain't gonna make a difference if the top seven players on this team aren't listening to the coach...LAVIOLETTE either needs to learn a new trick or he needs a pink slip. Bad news time? He ain't doing that, and he ain't getting fired. He will be the coach right up until they miss the playoffs...and then he'll be canned. That ain't much of a consolation for us fans. Another season lost.

When doesn't a player represented by Scott Boras not take the highest offer? I love JUAN SOTO as a player but this contract is insane. Personally, I think contracts in MLB should be limited to 10 years max, 15 years is just stupid. The NYY couldn't match the METS deal exactly because they have a lot of other payroll on the books that would make the penalties cost prohibitive... In another sense, that may have been their saving grace. They have other needs that they likely wouldn't be able to address with this deal on the books. Another starting pitcher should be first priority, IMO. Best of luck to Soto on the METS.

JFC31/mf - Yep, I've been saying this about FOX for a couple weeks now. He has been terrible. He's not just getting beaten to pucks. He's getting smoked by dudes who aren't even that fast. Like I remember two instances over that road trip where he had a good three or four steps going back to the puck and got beat to it. At least one of them lead to a goal. I'm a little concerned, at this point, that he never healed since his injury last year...and that could be a MAJOR problem for the Rangers, because a healthy FOX...the Adam FOX that was dominating last season...we're going to need that gut to go anywhere.

Yeah, Laf has been playing poorly and getting slammed for it but worse has been Fox. I say that because 1) he's older 2) he's in the middle of his big contract 3) he's (arguably) part of the leadership core, albeit probably more on the outside vs the inner circle 4) he's done it before. 5) Lindgren's struggles are affecting him (and his struggles are affecting Lindgren). Some are speculating he's still hurting from last year. I don't believe it's that. I think like Laf (and others) he's being dragged down as part of the collective and that's including how the team is coached.

re: SOTO, I don't make it a practice to say anything about the boring-ass sport of baseball, which I swore off many moons...was right around the time when the Mets unloaded the Brinks truck for a fellow named Bobby BONILLA. Think they JUST stopped paying that dude. Glad to see the Mets have learned from past mistakes!

JFC: Fox certainly isn't performing $8.5million p/y better than Jones. Does Fox also wear the "A"? Time for the players wearing the "A" to step up of surrender their "A" I don't care if the rudderless team has anyone designated as an assistant Captain or Captain. They can all look each other over until a light goes off in their heads. "Meak-Ah" gets paid $23,287.67 Dollars a Day! Kreider: $17,808.22 per day. Fox: $26,027.40 per day. Forget for a moment about what they get on a Per-Game Basis. Per Day and they can't bring a winning at all cost attitude to the cause? Phuck them. How much does the 6'5" Miller want?

E - SPOT ON with MEssier. Just to put a this in a bit more focus, MESS has been retired for two decades now. He had 10 years with the Rangers and 12 with the Oilers. NEITHER team has been able to...or to my knowledge...even EXPLORED bringing him in as a coach. That's two franchises intimately connected to this guy...one where he landed FOUR Stanley Cups...and the other where he broke a goddam half-century curse...And in 20 years, not a whisper about him being a coach from either organization...Well, let me tell you why: Because MESSIER doesn't want to BE a coach. Plain and simple. Not interested. Full stop. We can discuss WHY he's not interested...some of it likely has to do with his ego being too big to be an assistant at the NHL level or go to the AHL to cut his teeth. But TBH? I think it goes even deeper than that, because an organization like the Oilers has been desperate enough for a coach in recent years that I could almost guarantee that if MESS had even a hint of an inkling of being a coach, Edmonton would've made it happen...WHAT WE DO KNOW: MESS was very interested in being a GM a while back...and he got involved in some weak-ass capacity in the front office right around the time GORTON was hired...When GORTS got the AGM role, MESS left and hasn't looked back. So this weird notion some fans have that, at 63 and with a nice cozy cushy position periodically making fun of PK SUBBAN with ESPN, MESS is gonna suddenly want to hop behind the bench? Yeah. Maybe think that one over a little more clearly...

I’ve said this before but the one guy I really don’t understand at this point….and the one having the most negative impact on this team…is Adam Fox. I mean, what TF happened to his jump, to his dynamic point domination in the O-zone. Think back to the kind of moves he used to make when he had the puck at the point…he’d fake opponents out of their jock straps with various techniques….sometimes spinning with the puck, sometimes a fake stride to the right/left and then exploding in the opposite direction, sometimes a quick dribble of the puck before making a move…all these moves and more were done with SPEED and they not only faked out the forward who was charging him but they also got the other team to “puck watch” and open up lanes, which Fox would then use to thread sharp passes to team mates. Where TF is THAT Adam Fox. I’m tellin’ ya…Fox is the biggest difference in this team’s struggles. He was their pick transporter and their offensive general and now he’s just ordinary

and re: Z, Boston would do that in a heartbeat. And if the Rangers did that? You could kiss any hope of the playoffs goodbye. ZACHA is a third-line center. Z, as much as folks here give him shit, is a top-six center. The B's have been desperately trying to get ZACHA or COYLE to step up as their second line center, and neither one has been able to take that next step. Y'all like whipping on Mika...well, you ain't seen nothing if you want to swap ZACHA in for him. As I said with PROVOROV, he would be an epic whipping boy here. Would bring us back to the days when the Rangers tried to make Bobby HOLIK a top-line center. Of course, he actually took the body...ZACHA? Meh...

mf - you're in dreamland there. Again, COZENS ain't getting traded. Just forget about it.

re: KAKKO, dude. If you watched Sunday's game and your takeaway is that HE was the guy that got the wheels falling off...or that he's a symptom of the problem or...well...anything...you're either not watching the rest of the team or you're giving a free pass to the top eight...er...well, seven now...KAKKO continues to perform how he has been used: Third line checking forward. He gets 13 minutes a fucking night. This is the second-overall pick who was a can't miss in the draft...Same EXACT issue that LAFRENIERE had until suddenly one of DRURY's wonder coaches thought to play him in the top six. Again. We come back to coaching, coaching decisions, and ultimately, coaching problems...KAKKO should've started the season in the top six. He should've been there last year, FFS. But we have coach(ES) who decide it'd be better to get someone outside of the fucking team to fill the top-line RW slot. The Rangers have done literally everything in their power to make KAKKO a bottom-line grinder, which is a type of player that he doesn't even have the limited skill set to be. This kid should be used like a top-line offensive winger...and he's SHOWN he can do this...and yet we now have a third coach just utterly unwilling to play him. Broken record time: THIS IS A COACHING PROBLEM, NOT A KAAPO KAKKO PROBLEM. He's done everything he's been asked to do and more.

RF: Will "Meek-Ah" accept being traded to Buffalo? I hear they need a Long-Haired-Disc-Jockey... We can start with Cozens coming our way and build out the trade to include more players in both directions

jerry_garcia - FOX the best Ranger yesterday? Am I reading that right? Dude. That guy has been TER-RIB-LE. Slow as fuck. His stats are a reflection of him being a secondary assist merchant. His defense has been deplorable. If there's one major difference between this season and the last, it's him.

What do our "pseudo captains" wearing the "A" have to say? They are Zibanejad & Kreider.

Even the Mets' acquisition of Mr. Soto has failed to distract from the stark reality facing my fellow victims of Rangerlovitis. Face it, the window has closed. Yesterday's energy and jump lasted exactly one period. They don't like getting hit. They don't like to battle for puck possession. The don't like getting back on D. They don't like to shoot without sixteen east-west passes in search of a highlight reel. We are back to the days of the Broadway Millionaires Retirement Village. Again. Stick Check City. Two months 'til pitchers and catchers. Again. Ugh. An endless cycle for three decades and counting.

NYR +/- Leaders: Cuylle (+10) then Kakko (+10) at 20th & 22nd best in 'the league, followed by Chytil (+9) 30th best in the league.'

Rangers now tied (with Drew's Islanders!) for the final WC spot. The Drewlanders have played 3 more games, however, but you gotta win those to make it meaningful!

Soto is the very definition of mercenary. Fuck him. Great player who played hard and could handle playing as a NYY but when is enough enough? There has to be a screw loose in his head. I wonder if another team offered 5 million more if he would have taken that? I wish him and the Mets lucks. LOL they are going to need it.

Uncle Bob: "time to wack Stee-Vee's boy Dru-Ray?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvNbhrOEXt4

Mf they tried..”Owner Hal Steinbrenner, general manager Brian Cashman and the Yankees offered Soto $760 million over 16 years, according to The Post’s Jon Heyman, but he ended up signing with the Mets for 15 years, $765 million and a $75 million signing bonus — the largest contract in professional sports history.”

“The goals were the chances, that was it,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “We had the pieces in place and when it came down to the point where it had to be defended, it got loose. Definitely not what you’re looking for, you’re in charge of a game 3-1 and like I said, the chances were the goals. We could’ve been tighter and better in those situations.”…. New vocabulary word defended. My question is who on the Nyr is having a good year so far ? It sure doesn’t seem like really any. What or who does that point to? When they can’t keep opponents to 2 or less goals it’s a lot harder to win. When giving up 6 or more which has happened more than a few times, they have to score 7 or more. Keep up the good work lardy with your bullshit line of a work in progress. Say a prayer lardy that the $92 million dollar man can keep it to 2 or less. Maybe you and wrong way druray can pray together. You should both get on your knees and take up begging if your prayers fall on deaf ears.

Glad the Yankees didn't throw all that money at Soto, they can sign 3 solid players for that kind of money starting with 1B Pete Alonzo.

Hey Igor take up baseball…. https://nypost.com/2024/12/08/sports/juan-soto-signing-with-mets-on-15-year-765-million-contract/

NEWFIE - I rarely do it, but gonna have to disagree with you on KAKKO for THIS YEAR..I think he has been a pretty damn good 2 way player all year.. And has taken one play off in 20 games..not 100 like Laffy, ZBAD, TRO, Panarina and Kreider..Is he the scoring bull that we want? No and that is the disappointment....but a damn good young player on a damn good young line....Still, my bet is Dipshit Drury jetisons him before anybody else on this sinking ship..and it will be a big mistake...jmwo

Sometimes I want to ban Messier from Rangers lexicon. This is a guy who I think earned all the adulations, love and everything else Rangers fans gave to him. But how quickly we all forget how unbelievably abysmal he was as the years wore on. And it got progressively worse.

I have been saying messier needs to be here for awhile already..H e not only was captain, but traded for captain and won the cup , the real one not the plastic device lololol..He knows what is needed. There is a reason why no one wants to be captain here. Ownership is awful, spend what you want, be competitive that's allllll. Now we suck....batter up

MF Bergereon was an intense playoff performer. ZBAD has intense hair are you joking???

Can we repay Boston for the Park / Ratelle -- Esposito / Vadnais trade? --- Zibanejad & Lindgren (and we eat 50% of Lindgrens Salary $2,250,000 for this season, and we eat $1mill of Zibanejad's Salary for the remainder of his contract 5.5 years) FOR (C) Pavel Zacha & (LHSD) Nikita Zadarov.... Come on Boston, Zibanejad is your Bergeron!

Crazy ass prediction (and I mentioned this recently): If Dolans fires Drury watch Brian Burke be his replacement.

Wrong way druray was the guy who recommended Dairy Queen. Which points to his consistent conclusions that it’s either the players or the coaches. He will never admit to any wrongdoing by himself. Which is a shame and points to a lack of understanding leadership and taking responsibility for whatever happens under his watch or recommendation. I hope he goes home early to enjoy Christmas. And say his prayers that Dolan doesn’t come to that realization and fires him.

Hospo........on Kappo ( "does nothing ") Kakko being the scape goat ? He is not and should not be considered as such. However, he is still a big part of the list of problems with this squad. This non relenting waiting for him to all of a sudden start producing and becoming a real good player for us is rather like waiting and hoping for your pet cat to turn into your pet dog. good luck with that ,cause neither one is gonna happen. And what makes it worse for me is that when he does actually "do something" and makes a good hockey play (which is what he is paid for as an NHler to do ) like a chip along the boards,a backcheck,an assist or god forbid ,score a goal, people go "see, I told he was good " That's what bugs me the most. Scape goat .........NO ....just part of the problem.

Where was the "leadership core" as usual no 20, 93, 10, 23 that's to start. Another soft, low intensity game with no emotion. This is not a playoff team. The issue is they are not going to rebuild after giving Shesti a huge contract to stabilize this "team" going forward.

Yes. He inherited DQ who apparently he had a significant role in hiring. And fired him. So under his watch is DQ GG Lardiolette and if he fires the latter the 4th coach. I will agree can't blame him directly for DQ but the next 2 200%. If he does replace Lardiolette he'd better try a different route with the 4th coach in his tenure.

4th coach in 4 years under his watch? His first hire was GG. He fired Quinn a month after taking over but Gallant coached 2 years.

Stevie. I think Dreary Drury is afraid to fire his coach because he hired him, it's 16 months after that hiring, and doing so would be a 4th head coach in 4 years under his watch. In other words it'll make him look bad. How ironic given that this shitshow is on him anyways. They lose tomorrow to the 32nd place Hawks will he be left with no choice????

Hospo. Your KK question. Yes. God forbid he dare do anything to Z and K. K had one of his classic no show games and this when one of the leadership group has been unceremoniously jettisoned and with the team down and desperately needing someone to step up. Just zzzzzzzz. Unacceptable in my books. Not that's it's all of him. The Trocheck line dazzled at times in the Seattle end but were horrendous in their own end. Z typically missed an open net when it really mattered. What a freaking mess.

Jerry that sure points to a team that has been quitting on their coach, who is asleep at the wheel. And a gm who is excited to pay a goalie $11.5 per year for 8 years while changing the sign in the window from open for business to closed until the dust bowl settles, and seems to be overlooking the coach’s role in this clusterfuck.

What a lazy bunch, laf played in a cloud, Fox, the best Ranger today. Warren Haines in attendance oh well!!!! Bench ZBan. All them playing with no chemistry, no heart, no hustle, play ZBan much less and off the PK. He keeps on making major blunders. They played like they had no equipment on, no hitting, just d stoning around and going thru the motions.

Well, just watched it..what a fucking defensive meltdown by the top 4 D-men nd the top line....Of course they come back when Seattle stopped playing the grinding game..but not enough...My question..Is KAKKAO the scapegoat for hiw lazy backcheck and sent packing for being on the ice for his first goal against all seasosn???..Or do they trade the top line, Miller, Schneider and Lindgren??? This team is majorly fucked in the head pansy ass tem and with no 4th line also.. and only likes to play open ice bull shit

TD. Yep but with this coach? Not gonna happen. Dreary Drury won't fire him? Fire Drury too.

Most frustrating part of it all was to listen to VALLY speak about how they were in position...I don't necessarily agree...but just doing the wrong things...Like, OK! EASY SOLUTION: If you're out there, and you're NOT doing what you're supposed to do, then you're not going back out there and you're getting scratched next game. Simple as that. Second step? Start the next game with third line. Roll 3-4-1-3-4-2-3-4-1-3-4-2 for the first period of the game...I would also start rolling the D like this 3-1-3-2-3-1. And I'd tell everyone on PP1 that they're now officially PP2. Sorry, you had your chance and you blew it...Let KAKKO, CUYLLE, CHYTIL, EDSTROM, VESEY, JONES, MANCINI, and as crazy as it sounds, SMITTY Jr. take more of the ice...And the second BERARD is healthy? He should be in the mix...I've soured on CARRICK to a degree, but I'd also give him more ice than the others...Simply put, LAF, PANARIN, TROCHECK, Z, KREIDER, FOX, and MILLER need their ice slashed bigtime. No more than 17 minutes for any of them, even if it means dudes like MANCINI and JONES are skating 20...START MAKING PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE. They don't like it? GOOD. They SHOULD feel uncomfortable...I'd also have a long lecture about shot suppression and how they need to help their tender out. GET IN FRONT OF SHOTS. Plain and simple. Shit, I was actually just remembering the RENNEY days and that was one of the first things that happened to set this franchise back on the path to respectability...Those teams were a precursor to Tortorella's black-and-blue shirts...And if you're not going to block shots? You can grab pine. THAT is how you start this team on the righteous path.

Stevie.....this is what we do......package Lardass and I wont let it ruin my Christmas drabby Drury......and launch them into outspace on a Elon Musk rocket.....

Right back at it tomorrow for a real battle of two losing teams. Last 10 Shitcago 2-7-1, Nyr 3-7…… before today’s game the third line scored 12 goals and gave up none. So what does the coach do with that fact, play his top two lines. His shelf life has already expired. He’s been around too long to have any fire left in his lard belly.

Two top players that sit there like fuckin schlep rocks ......I never even see Brendl or Lundmark play.....but our top picks suck just like them....

Oh let me make you think about this even more to really let the SUCK sink in.......Jesper Bratt was a 6th round draft pick!

Let this sink in.....you know it sucks to be a Rangers fan when a 5' 10" 175 lb Jesper Bratt is a better player than #1 overall pick Alexis Lafreniere

Something stinks in rangerland.phew..loose to an expansion team on home ice after blowing a lead. Where is mike Keenan lololol.

Oh we need to defend better….you need to go…. https://youtu.be/3C129CAOmko?si=xGiYVGj-LVrJwZp1

Let’s also remember Seattle has been on an east coast road trip and are tired. They played a fast paced game where they dominated the Devils at times and they had twice the energy and step as the Rangers. Something realllllllly wrong is going on here. I’d be careful because Drury while sounding like he was done for now didn’t sound like anything was off the table.

No one wants the C . Bring messier out of retirement he would take it and pummel a few players

Wiosa...I think of John every year on this date. I remember where I was that night.....at a big house party with friends and after we heard the news ,we cried and played his music all night . It's hard to believe it was 44 years ago. :(

And Kreider's absolutely invisible game today is more than enough for me to say keep the C away from him.

I know this is not the board for it but...Im thinking a lot about John Lennon today. He certainly had his demons, but he also had a lot of heart and talent. Johnny, we hardly knew you

Shonuff: FWIW I'm willing to give a Laf the benefit of the doubt because I believe he's deferring to the veteran leadership core, as are the rest of the younger players. He seems to go as his line goes - defensively Panarin is making as many blunders as he is but because he puts up better numbers (in part because he's on the first PP unit) he tends to escape the wrath. That isn't to absolve Laf of all blame - he is responsible for his own play. I think all the younger players should be cut a break because the coach clearly favours the veterans and until/unless that ends, none will really step forward. Cuylle has to a certain extent but no PP or PK duty, no last 2 minute ice, means he gets limited opportunity to really do much. I mean what did Z and K (especially K) do all game to be rewarded with 6 on 5 play (which got scored on)? There's zero accountability from this coach and IMO it's negatively impacting every young player on this club.

Good Grief Charlie Brown. Just SMH here. The C? I think Im pulling for Trocheck. Something about the guy. LIMBO, well thank you. We're all really, really po'd just about now. So I get it. HOSPO GMTA.

The backhanded good thing is that I don’t expect them to win before any game. And they are living up to my expectations. It’s really time for wrong way dusty druray to fire his handpicked coach and stop thinking it’s only about the players.

All joking aside, I don't know that anyone on this team would want the "C". Kreider already turned it down before it was given to Trouba.

Very early in the season,actually straight out of traing camp ,I stated on here that I did not like the make-up of this year's team . And I'm sticking with that. Take your pick on who is to blame...Drury, Lavy or the players but this was in fact a "snap shot " of what this team is made of.Not easy to watch .

Nice job coach as usual this season. You’re a premature…..keep giving up 6 goals or more in your defensive posture of grabbing your ankles..

Trouba no doubt had a chuckle or 2 when he saw the outcome of this game. Hawks must be getting excited!

And this was my point about the Pittsburgh game. The Kraken, BTW, aren’t even that much better.

Disgusting we didn’t make a body check all day. Worst loss of the year. Got up 3-1 and Rangers thought Kraken would fold. Disgraceful

Said it before and I’ll say it again: the only way to turn this around is to fire LAVIOLETTE. He continues to play guys who are putting in poor effort. He makes poor lineup decisions, and he’s showing no aptitude for learning from his mistakes.

Love the double down on the double down by LaviShit. A loss tomorrow to Chicago or a loss to Barfallo should hopefully end this futility. If I were Kreider, I would start organising my affairs in NY. He should be next to go.

K was invisible all game. At least I noticed Z (missing the net/hitting the post) . A deserved loss. Again.

TD. Vally said the Rangers have seen the number 2 and 3 goalies multiple times this year (lime at least 10). And remember this is yet another non-PO positioned team they're facing.

The Rangers are getting spanked by a second string goalie who has been terrible this season AND is injured…let that sink in.

If I had a $1 for every time the NYR's were supposed to light up a goalie in the last 20 years. I could retire :)

Rhet0ric - uhhhh no. No I don’t. You know why?! BECAUSE THE PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. Nothing has been fixed.

Last season, Bread-TRO-Laffy had a long streak of giving up multiple goals in a game. This is not new.

Well Drury can continue to produce excuses and scapegoats like pulling magic playing cards from his vest. What a shame there there is no accountability at MSG. Must be the company culture.

Rhet0ric - they were playing OK, but that’s about as far as I’ll go. Seattle was playing like shit. They should’ve be lighting up GRUBAUER, and instead, they’re getting lit up. Confidence? Meh? I’d say more like the stupid fucking coach overplaying the same eight guys who have been tanking this season.

The problems are a vet loving coach and a lack of gumption from the leadership team of which Trouba was a part of. Key words part of. Who's gonna step up here now?? Anyone?

Fuck this team. I think the entire organization went in with the mentality. Let’s just raise through the regular season and make the playoffs five through eight. Make our trade deadline acquisitions and win this thing. One problem they fucking suck. They’re not even gonna make the playoffs and I gotta deal with all this devil shit again

You expect everything to be fixed just one game after Trouba is gone? like magic?

The NYR's were playing terrific about halfway through the game. It's more of a confidence thing. They expect things to go wrong. Let's see if they can dig out of it.

I simply don't understand why the coach doesn't elevate the lines doing well and push down those that aren't. Inexplicable.

I might flip Laffy with Cuylle for the 3rd. The dude needs to get out of his head.

Chytil and Carrick lines strong. Of course those 6 have the least icetime. Beyond predictable. Another no cup year with this sitbox coach.

Of course nosendick have no idea why the Rangers are upset with Montaur. So useless.

Another minus for Laf. What's wrong with thus guy. Pressbox time might be in order

Fuck off Montaur. Elbows Smith. Then rausing up his elbow as Trocheck comes in to hut him. Glad Trocheck high sticked him.

Vaaak is 6'2 205 Jones is 510 175 ....I say that's a big difference.otherwiae no idea how good or bad he is

Only PP the usual suspects on the ice for a minute and 39 seconds. Only PK first it's Smith and Trocheck then Zbad and K. Gawd this coach bugs my ass.

I’d say there’s a 75 to 80 percent chance Yanni GOURDE is a Ranger come March.

Hey Sam, I think we still have one more game left in the home stand there buddy.

TD..... In regard to JT MILLER: First off, GM's lie all the time(they have to). Why would you expect one to come clean and tell you all his plans? Only and idiot would do that(right Drury?).... 2nd Miller is currently out on LOA, they can't officially talk about him at all until he is back.... ALSO: How is his attitude not a problem? He creates a divided locker room where ever he goes. It's a problem..... In regard to the CAP: All we had to do make IGOR's new deal mostly fit was to not re-sign LINDGREN. Getting rid of Trouba gives us the flexibility to make other deals. Originally, I thought we were going to deal him to sign K'Andre long term, but now I think that's less likely. Depending on what we decide to do we could use the money to sign CUYLLE long term or turn it into two other players. That said: I expect players like Kakko, Lindgren and Smith to be gone by the draft or the end of the season. Next season you'll be paying both Igor and Bread over $11 Mil in the same season. It will be time for kids to step up on the 3rd line.

VAAKANAINEN will get to audition for RUHWEDEL'S spot in the stands and my slot in if LINDGREN gets banged up...chance they sniff him out as a potential replacement there to cinch up some off-season cap space...but he's not nearly as good or mobile as JONES, and he's not that much bigger...maybe a little more physical. Either way, I could see him getting sent to Hartford to get some games in once he's healthy and then brought back up to be the seventh defender...again...I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he's not qualified. The Ducks needed the roster spot and the contract slot...otherwise, the trade probably would've been TROUBA for the conditional fourth rounder. VAAK was a throw in because Anaheim has too many defensemen. As it is, they're going to need to send down one of their promising young defenders to accommodate TROUBA.

mf - LOL, PROVOROV?! Holy shit, dude. If THAT guy gets moved to the Rangers, for his own safety, he should refuse to report. He would be absolutely tarred and feathered by the fanbase. Like immediately. Couple together the fact that he's not very good at the hockey thing, he's also a piece of shit AND soft. Tell you what though, it'd be amusing watching that fire ignite. Picture the combined fan fury of MALAHKOV-it-up and Pokecheck POTI. It'd be UG-LY.

Limbo - re: the shitload of cap space. Dude, be afraid. Be VERY afraid. I don't know which would be better for this team...for it to take off like a rocket and steamroll to the deadline...or to really hit the skids...my sincere fear here is that we're going to be in between and that DRURY is going to use that space to try and land a major piece...and that it'll come at the behest of losing some real nice players, including KAKKO, definitely OTHMANN and BERARD and a few others we won't really like to stomach...Sadly, I think the player(s) he will target will be a large, top-four defenseman on an expiring contract to replace TROUBA'S physicality and then another WENNBERG-type center...maybe even WENNBERG. I could see him and either Ben CHARIOIT or Justin HOLL coming our way...and normally I wouldn't be overly upset about it...but we have ZERO picks to give away now without throwing out a first rounder...so...yes. Be scared. Be very scared of the trade deadline. Giving DRURY that much space is like giving an arsonist a full gas can and a blowtorch.

I always find it incredible that Erik and Jack JOHNSON are not related. That said, they are essentially the same player these days. If you're putting one or the other on your blueline's top six? You're raising the white flag. Not even sure if Erik would be as good as RUHWEDEL, who's a guy that is now costing us nothing. If he was on the waiver wire? Meh? Maybe. But to trade for him? Fuck no. Not unless it's RUHWEDEL we're sending the other way. Even then...

mf - HARPUR hasn't been an NHL-caliber defenseman since he joined the Rangers. And he's only gotten slower. He is literally a pylon now. Might as well put him in an orange jersey so players don't accidentally run into him. If HE is the guy the Rangers bring in to settle their defense, then hit the reset button because it's over.

re: NASHVILLE, the guy you're probably looking at their is Ryan O'REILLY. I'm sure SCISSIONS could be had...SCHENN and LAUZON for sure...but that team will definitely be hitting a full rebuild soon. I could see them trying to push off one of their big contract signings, though all of them have NMC/NTCs.

RDW - I don't see any mix of players the Sabres would take for COZENS. Maybe LAFRENIERE straight up? Possible something like KAKKO, PERREAULT and a pick. Or KAKKO, OTHMANN and a first. You're not pulling COZENS out of Buffalo without overpaying badly.

re: LABA - They would've signed him last season if he had indicated a willingness. He'll be in the fold as soon as Colorado's season ends. There's a very small chance he goes back for his senior year if the team gets close, but doesn't win a championship. But the Rangers are going to need him in 2025-26, and they'll want him in Hartford or possibly even the big club this spring.

RF4L - Admittedly, you never know with Buffalo...but...you'd have to be stupid to be part of that organization and NOT recognize the total shitshow fallout of pulling the plug on EICHEL, REINHART and to a somewhat lesser degree, O'REILLY...in other words, if the wheels really DO fall off the bus...as they predictably do with all of Lindy RUFF's teams...COZENS ain't gonna be the guy they move...Alex TUCH? Totally different story. Jordan GREENWAY is another. In terms of young players? I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them trade Jack QUINN...Mattias SAMUELSSON could be another. Throw Peyton KREBBS in that mix...but COZENS? Nope.

Could IGOR's play have been distracted by the upcoming arrival of his child? It might rabbit, it might.

I liked the Trouba trade. He was nit what I expected when he got here. I expected someone who could run PP #2 and could put up points. Instead, he became the biggest hitter around which I liked, of course. But like changes guys, and he and Mika have changed significantly. Mika since the birth of his child, and Trouba with his wife. Remember that Trouba was not universally loved when he was in Winnipeg either. The lack,of focus and effort by him this season was really alarming. He knew he was going to be traded and it really impacted his play. This move is better for all concerned. I do,think it is interesting that of the deals Drury would accept, Trouba and Amber hart chose Anaheim. I am always happy when Drury does not deal with Yzerman as Yzerman tends to clean his clock with trades. Detroit would have had to move money to take on Trouba. Anaheim didn’t. I bet that He does not finish his contract there. He will end up,with a contender this deadline or next. Anaheim is not close to winning yet.

fotiu22 - I truly believed they were better this year. And I think they were on paper: Add CHYTIL, JONES, EDSTROM, SMITTY Jr., and CARRICK, subtract: ROSLOVIC, WENNBERG, GUSTAFSSON, BONINO and WHEELER. But, IMO, you have a coach thoroughly unwilling to trust young players, and then slap in whatever cloud that was created by the TROUBA situation and/or the SHESTERKIN contract...

PJ - Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree, re: the Pens. I just look at the sum total of their parts and they're terrible. A unique blend of being soft and old and having very poor goaltending...I'm being hypercritical for sure. And take it from me...ANY time the Rangers beat the Pens is a good time in my book. I can't stand that shit franchise, their POS coach, his POS assistant and above all, that whining dirt-stache bastard CROSBY.

So dreary Drury says he's done for now. Let's see what happens if his team keeps stumbling and bumbling along. Next 3 opponents are hardly the league's elite to at least 4 points should be collected. Anything less IMO means their funk remains. Of course we need to fully expect his coach to give his vets the most minutes...

He’s so Excited…“It’s really nice to have it done,” Drury said on a Zoom call to reporters Saturday. “To have the certainty with the position and knowing what the cap hit is going to be moving forward. We’re excited to get it done. Excited to move forward with him.”…. He just can’t hide it…. Maybe buy a new vest in a bigger size….

My job?…”“It’s my job to try and figure out on a day-to-day, week-to-week basis what the team needs,” he said. “I’m certainly not opposed to make more changes, but big picture, with that said, the team has been through a lot the last couple of weeks and certainly this week. I’d like to let the dust settle a little bit. … Just like to see the team get settled in with this a little bit.”

“Laviolette was also vague on the timeline, saying it was “somewhere” between a day-to-day and week-to-week status. “We’ll get to that when we get there,” Laviolette said when asked if Vaakanainen will stay with the group or go off to one of the team’s affiliates. “Right now, he’s on the IR and out on the ice. That’s a good thing for us.”

UPDATE: #NYR has recalled defenseman Connor Mackey and goaltender Dylan Garand from AHL Hartford. Hmmmm….Garand? Is Quick banged up? What’s this about?

Let's keep BUF"s Mattias SAMUELSSON on the board for the LHS_D 3rd pair position, the cost shouldn't be too great. AON, it Looks like his M.O. is to stay healthy for 1/2 to 3/4 of a season. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/samuema02.html ---- Provorov & Samuelsson in, Lindgren & Jones out, and re-sign K'Andre' Miller??? All the while retaining enough Cap Room to address the forwards and remaing Free Agents on our Roster?

K'Andre Miller is having a banner year for Drury at the bargaining table! Miller's on pace to score 13.12 points for the season. Ha ha ha, want a raise Kid? #MeToo! :-) "Rotsa-Ruk!" https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/milleka01.html

CBJ: Has UFA at the end of this season Ivan PROVOROV (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/provoiv01.html) They have plenty of Cap Space available, and I have no idea why they wouldn't re-up the man, unless he wants a change of scenery and wants to test free agency. Provorov is in the final year of a 6 year deal at an avg $6.75mill p/y contract. He turns 28 in January & on paper he looks like a real good addition. Can we afford him, do we need the cap room to resign Miller and address at least 1 forward position? Once again, "welcome to the jungle!" :->)

NSH: NSH made some big moves since last season loaded foe Bear this season and their standings don't indicate success. They have LAUZON a RHS-D who hits everything but has never played a full 82 any season. 3rd pair RHS-D for the NYR's? Sure, but will they trade and what's the price-tag? BTW, NSH is stacked with Draft Picks for the upcoming draft, they may be willing to part with a pick or two in an attempt to continue to salvage their season. That's Drury's job to find out.

Good Morning Folks: Can we "add to and tweak" (trade) the roster to seriously compete for 'The Cup" this season? I think that this is a valid reality check for establishing moves and expectations.... What position to target? Who's available? How old is the targeted player? What's the cost? Which players, prospects, picks, are we parting company with? tbc for sure.... Welcome to the jungle... :->)

Gudas and Trouba on the blue line. Anaheim seems like it’s regrowing its team identity. With less talent.

MF - Personally, I think that pisses the season good bye..We alfready have two fring D-men in the top 6 and one, Lindgren, who cant stay healthy and plays smaller then he used to..not to mention the regressions of Fox and MIller...The D could be a HUGE problem

I'm thinking a fringe D'man (aka: someone to fill the void for the rest of this season who will maintain or hopefully add our competitive level) may be the way to go. Then again, what to do regarding LINDGREN?

Looks like we will have a shitload of cap space at the TDL. I would love to be one of those middlemen that gets a pick or 2 for taking a few million back in a trade between other teams.

mf. Z and K for Cozens and Samuelsson. I mused about this summer. Orchestra it dude!!!!

MF - IMWO, they need something much more than a fringe/depth D-man with Troubs out of the picture

PHI: Veteran RHS-D Erik Johnson: Has only skated in 15 games this season, don't see any news that he's injured. Signed at $1mill for this season, could he be a stopgap for the duration of this season? https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/j/johnser01.html

Ben Harpur: On the Wolfpack (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/harpube01.html) - Can he be trusted as our regular 3rd pair LHSD? The guy has a screw loose, can anyone relate? :->) https://www.flohockey.tv/video/13001089-ben-harpur-charges-into-goalie-felix-sandstrom-suspended-four-games-by-ahl

Mattias Samuelsson: BUF LHS-D but often injured. Looks like the type of defenseman many here covet, but the injuries! https://sabrenoise.com/time-buffalo-sabres-cut-ties-mattias-samuelsson-01jckg6s9eww --- (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/samuema02.html)

MF - Well, this shift in attitude will have to come from the outside IMWO because most of the players here while some can be physical, most are choirboys who don't initiate...I also really worry bout the protection Of IGOR without TRoubs...Personally, I'd rather not count on BOTH Jones nd Mancini, especially later in the season unless the decision is made to quit and play for the future..

Damn, Nashville spent all that money this summer and are now about to lose their 7th straight...gotta be a trade there somehow---Forsberg? Lauzon? Sissons (for E!)?

Hospo: I just think this teams "hit & checking switch" is in the off position. Once this team has a shift in attitude, we have some good horses. Sure looks like we're 2 players shy, 1 a LHS D (I'd sink or swim with Mancini the rest of the way for RHSD 3rd pair) and perhaps look to move SMITH for reasons I posted earlier. Time to hunt for trade targets and toss names on The Wall. :-)

MF - can't say I agree with that statement at all....I really like KK and he is a bull in the offensive zone but he just uses strength along the boards and rarely throws checks...LAFFY does some heavy board checking now and then...CARRICK does hit what he can catch (not much) and can be a dirty sucker,..Vesey doesn't hit all that much and Edstrom needs to hit more.....and none of the D-men bring what Troubs did..Schneids, Lindgren and hopefully MIller cn be physical but all very clean and by the rules hitters..Team needs some nastiness in its' attitude, even before Troubs was shitcanned

RDW. Not sure. But there were rumors recently that he might be because he's underachieving. Bottom line is something has to give there

LIMBO - Yes, all old man flirting aside :), agreed with your last take especially if we ever stop to take the human part into consideration not just the fan/entertainment experience!..Then again, that would make for a very ho hum wall!!...WIOSA - Spot on about TROUBS..Same take here just said it too chaotically..:)......ALl that said, there has to be a few more big moves coming...Just scared shitless what DRURY might do

MF are you joking, kakko, vescey Carrick don't hit , laffy not really what I would call intimidating like trouba is

vcp: IMO you can add Laf, Trochek, Kakko, Carrick, Vesey, to the names that you better not skate with your head down when they're on the ice

WIOSA, in many ways the Wall’s conscience…your thoughtful post, rightfully, makes me ashamed of my anti-TUBA screed yesterday, lol. I like TROUBS too. He seems like a solid, solid person. The kind you want and need in your life. Hey, we tear ZCRAP a new butthole daily here, but, from what I can tell, he pretty much defines the word “gentle-man”. If either of these guys was your son, brother, friend I’m sure it would be like hitting the jackpot. None of that other stuff, at least from me, is about them personally. Just professionally, haha.

I liked Trouba. I'm going to miss his presence. I liked his style and his confidence. I wish him well. Yay on Igors signing.

E - IMWO, his play in the Florida series means nothing..he was playing on an ankle that nobody should have been playing and esepcially not the way Laviolette was using hime..but becsue DRury only obtained the worthless RUWHEDEL, they had no other options.....his entire game and reactions were messed up bug time...This season was the Drury mind fuck...We needed the pre-injury TROUBS but that ship had sailed in NY....Hopefully he gets it back in Anaheim and he and GUDAAS terrorize opposing forwards big time...or the Ducks trade GUDAS to the Rangers!!!

Drury in Providence to watch Laba play. Bet they're looking to sign him this spring.

Hospo completely agree about trouba we are one of the softer teams in the league again minus Goodrow and trouba. We have Schneider, Cuyllee, kreider pretended against Pittsburgh mancini is learning, edstrom is eh, vescey also eh. Am I missing anyone. Good news is we have a long way to go. Teams can now skate with their heads down against us.

In my opinion Trouba’s problem could be summed up in one play in the Florida series. Trouba tried to line someone up while abandoning the lane on a big hit. Puck got advanced and he went to the box for 2. I love old school hockey but like it or not on the small ice just like the big ice game you can’t come out of the lanes for a hit. Becoming as pointless as the diving in front of the puck. You may stop it but you aren’t in position to recover it and gotta get back to your feet and stay in the play. The game is just evolving this way. I get it. If you want a physical team it’s gotta be like Florida plays. Or Vegas does. Quick on players no time and space. And just be mean. Lots of guys who can land a check. Team wide commitment to rough play. I know what the coach wants. He wants a return to Smashville hockey. Drury has not given him the team he wants yet. But he has Berard coming in. And sometimes it isn’t size, it’s style. If Berard can get a bit more Ryan Lamberg in him, he’s gonna do very well in the NHL.

Moving past the most recent of many DRURY fuck ups and the TROUBA situation, I know Troubs play slipped a bit this year from his usual healthy game but, damn, he was one of the most exciting Rangers to watch FOR ME..Gonna miss him...Will the Rangers? We'll see...All i know is the Rangers desperately need to bring in somebody on D that brings the good things Troubs brought

TROUBA REFLECTION: Similar to Barry Beck and Rick Nash trades, the Trouba trade brought in a young player with a proven record of success and potential to develop into a 1st team All Star... Trouba never developed any further and didnt fix his bad tendencies to puck watch and stand still as a statue or get himself out of position chasing a hit. I do wonder how much his lack of improvement after his age 27YO season was caused by pressure of captaincy or all his extra-curricular activities being distractions. Trouba doesnt seem to live and breath hockey 24-7. I did like the trade, not so much the contract, but in the end, it was a worthy pursuit that didnt work out, just like Beck and Nash.

Wild....Agree last night Laviolette did right by going with the lines that had jump...Chytil line wasn't looking all that good...Problem is he doesn't do this when it's the opposite...Many nights the Z line deserves the least amount of ES time...Never happens...Also PP1 needs to defer to second unit more than it does,,,

WC: with the benefit of hind site I too believe that Goodrow was a better option than Smith. 1) reduces the shakeup to the roster 2) retains the physical play Goody brings especially come playoff time 3) Goody's utility up & down the lines & at wing & or center. 4) retain any picks sent to Pitt for Smith 5) allows for the promotion of Kakko or Cuylle to the Top 6

Ice time. The "kid" line, Chytil for instance, had about 40 seconds less 5v5 ice time than Zib did...so anyone upset about how much Lavy used the kids needs to just stop pretending and making shit up. Yes Kakko had 4 min less than the top RW, but hey that was Laf, and he had 3 minutes less than Smith, but ummm...Smith had 6 shots on goal last night and was probably the best players out there up front. Cuylle had about 50 seconds less than Kreider. So the Center on the kid line and the LW on that line had about a shift, maybe two shifts less than the line that had 10 shots on goal and that scored. That Zib line had twice as many shots as the Chytil line in just 2 extra shifts 5v5, but consider this...7 of those 10 shots came at even, Smith had as many shots at even as Chytil, Cuylle and Kakko combined. Yet here are folks upset about ice time last night. Accusing the coach of forcing the vets...well you want to not play them because there are kids. How about the coach puts a line out that is playing better over one that is not? Thats the reason y'all give when the kids are playing better and you think they don't get enough ice time, but when it's the vets playing better suddenly that calculous changes. The fact is that last night Lavy did a good job behind the bench. He gave out ice time based on who players were performing, Hell Jones INCREASED his ice time in the 3rd period, and he used the two youngest D with under 2 minutes left in the game. They had been strong early int he 3rd and he used them later on as well. TO say that he doesn't use kids, or that he defaults to vets is silly at best.

fotiu22…Petsonally I believe we have regressed quite a bit…No Goodrow who had a good playoff and epitomizes playoff hockey….Z has continued his death spiral…Laff looked poised to really put up some numbers this year and it hasn’t happened yet….Our D may not be good enough to get us though a round….Much needs to happen before we are back in the conversation…

Watched the game on delay last night after work. Came on here this mornin…First. Once again (it’s been a couple games) effort on the ice has not equaled scoreboard. Last night they played a game that should have had them up by 2-3 goals much earlier in the game. But you can see at times they are each trying to do too much. The second they start to simplify and jsut relax and play they really take over…like those long possession times in the offensive zone with 2-3 shots. A few of those sequences came oh so close to being a goal. I think the game also showed that it’s not effort but mental that has caused the downturn. Why is that? The PK is the least fun part of playing hockey. It’s hard work. But the Rangers when on the PK do so well, they are not slacking and generate offense. For me this shows that in the other aspects of the game they lack confidence. If they had more confidence there they would look as good as the PK. Zib looks faster and quicker on the Pk. The passing is more crisp. The physical play ticks up. Decisions are made faster. Everything you want at 5v5 happens on the PK. So it’s clearly mental, not physical, that is holding them back. I am not sure if a new player added up front will help that or not, but perhaps they need group sports psychology sessions or something. Smith has been much better since he was scratched. Clearly needed a reset or something. Did someone really say Goodrow over Smith? I mean that’s jsut desperately searching for things to be negative about. Enough already.

TD…Not in total agreement on the quality of last nights win….It is all about how teams are playing at the time….Pens had won four in a row with wins over Panthers, Flames, Bruins and Canucks….We were getting beat by good and bad teams…We got lucky because Igor played great?…Don’t agree with this at all…Igor gave up a bad goal and faced 20 shots…He wasn’t bad but was hardly the reason we won…The Z line had its best game in a long time which I know isn’t saying much but they were moving well….Trocheck line very good also…No wins are easy for the Rangers right now…A baby step for sure but have to start somewhere…

Anybody on the Wall feel like we have a better team than last year? And I mean for when it counts…are we a better playoff team than last year? Will we have the toughness to beat a Panther team in the first round? Obviously there are still moves to be made during the season and as the deadline but are we close to being a Cup winning team?

JFC…Sorry for your troubles…Apologizing for ripping a player is a precedent you don’t want to set for thIs board…Would get a little crazy…LOL….

Seattle gave NJ a real handful a few nights ago. So while the NYR should win in theory they’ll have to bring it. Last night was the kind of win a struggling team needs to turn it around. You have an ugly win. The Rangers weren’t particularly great. The defense is still atrocious but you won. And if you can get a back 2 back you’ll have something to build on. Maybe life gets quiet now this Trouba mess is over. That’s my greatest optimistic take.

So next 3 games are against Seattle Chicago and Barfalo. If 4 points or more are captured from those 3 opponents IMO it'll constitute failure.

Mf. That's an excellent point. Goodrow over Smith 7 days a week and twice on Sundays AFAIC.

TDCHI - Totally agree about the game, the team and the coach..Like I said last night, gut feeling that Laviolette rams the top 2 lines down out throats and starts to minimize the kids....That my change after Druyry Trades Krieds and KK......Anybody notice that all four goals were on the rush/break ins and zero from the type of hockey you play in POs??? Then again, that's how the Penns play so at least the Rangers took advnatge of the situation with their high end open ice skill.....Rangers want to compete for the Cup this year they have serious moves to make, especially a D-man...They want to blow it up, they have serious moves to make also....Unfortuntely, DRURY is too incompetent to do either..

TD: you're preaching to the choir on the cap. Had Drury not traded for Smith, he could have retained Goodrow and whatever he sent the other way, but no, we had to find a RW for the Bromo's which isn't panning out. K & Z need and needed to be separated at even strength, special teams is another story, I have no issues with them being together on a PP Unit or the PK, but at even strength, "No Bueno!"

JFC - Sorry for your loss..Hope the venting help you get through the night easier....Personally, little bout the Rngers hit a nerve on me, but the Troubs sitaution did..so we werem't a good mtch! Hang in there...

mf - The cap space from the TROUBA trade is gone. We can borrow from it this season…and it means DRURY has wiggle room if he DOES decide to keep trading…but it’s gone. The whole purpose of all of this…waiving GOODROW and trading TROUBA… was to avoid the very real possibility the rest of the NHL wouldn’t hold him hostage or potentially offersheet an RFA…I frankly think they could’ve accomplished the same thing by NOT trading for SMITTY Jr., and at least keeping TROUBA until the deadline…but whatever. Water under the bridge…the space he has now? Everyone should brace for a year bonehead trade if the Rangers aren’t in contention…I’m talking missing a good chunk of our prospect base/first rounder away…because THAT, I’m sure, is the plan: get close to the top, use the temp cap space to nab a couple expiring contracts to rent for the run…bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s if it works for them…

JFC31 - happens to the worst of us! J/K man. Sorry to hear and hope you’re in a better mindset. Helps that we went home with a dubya last night!

Mf. The Canucks are looking to add not subtract and they are very pleased with Sherwood.

JFC. No worries over here bud. You didn't attack a fellow wallster which IMO is always unacceptable. And you made me laugh.

Great to read everyone's take, our boy Drury could use a public relations coach, and the players could use a refresher in the fact that this is a hard cap league and the potential of having your life uprooted is a fact of life. That said, Drury freed up a combined $11,641,667 in cap space for next season by moving Goodrow & Trouba. Should he have not signed Lafreniere & Shesterkin? Speaking of Cap, we currently have more Cap Space available than 23 teams in the league. (https://puckpedia.com/teams) This means we can take on an expiring contract as a component of a potential trade. We still have some glaring needs that were addressed last season for coming into this season. In no particular order: 1) What to do about our LHS-D? 2) A Center. Are we banking on Chytil? Is KaKKo to be converted to the Center Position? If yes, do you "Legends of The Wall" see him flourishing & dominating at Center? 3) Top 9 Wing: Drury brought in Reilly Smith, OK, good player, reasonable Cap Hit to us at $3,750,000 and on an Expiring Contract. The thing is that I as of now I see him as a potential trade piece for a player who is younger, maybe a bit more physical, and someone we can ink for longer term or has more term on an existing contract. "IF" we promote KaKKo to a Top 6 RW slot, we could look to trade for a 3rd line RW. VAN has this guy KIEFER SHERWOOD (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/sherwki01.html) who looks like a miserable player to have to face. He's 4 years younger than Reilly SMITH, he's a RHS (which we need) he averages 3 hits per game, he's on a contract that pays $1.5mill this season and next, and 3rd line is where the Knucks are currently playing him. We now have the Cap Room to eat a substantial percentage of SMITHS $3,750,000 hit. "IF" we can eat 50% of Smitty's cap, we can deliver him with a $1,875,000 cap hit to the recipient. IF SHERWOOD isn't available, maybe we can get TOLVANEN out of Seattle. Seattle lost EBERLE and maybe they're interested in SMITH? None of this addresses the LHSD though, we may need to include SMITH in a transaction that returns us a Defenseman. Does Jones and or Lindgren go in our search for an LHS-D? We still need to compete for The CUP this season.

We beat another crappy team..we will take it but we aren't contenders yet lololol. Not even close.

Jfc31 we have true free speech here. Sorry to hear about your difficult times. We are all in this together. We should have a wallsters trip to a game lololololol

Good morning. Wall Crawlers! I want to apologize for my harsh demeanor and talking shit about Trouba last night. I had a very tough day with the death of someone special from my youth and guess I needed to vent. But, I shouldn’t have done it here…I should have saved it for Twitter/C lol. But, seriously…my apologies!

I sense the offense perhaps coming back to life. On the flip side, it would be nice to see a game where we don’t give up a goal to an unmolested third man trailer entering the zone. That breakdown seems to be happening on an endless loop now. And what is with the defensive strategy of the Red Sea parting down the slot? Seems like our defenders have decided to cover everybody but the puck carrier as they cruise down the slot toward Igor. Perhaps that is depending on Igor a bit too mucn?

Rhet0ric - The Canucks have said they're not trading MILLER. And FWIW, I don't think 'attitude' is his problem, per se.

re: the Red Wings, if that's true, chances are pretty good it was either Ben CHARIOT or Justin HOLL. Most likely, the latter. None of their other NTC/NMC guys make any sense...again, the Rangers absolutely NEEDED that contract space come July 1.

...cut him a very small degree of slack because the Rangers REALLY needed to win that game...but man...you look at how he divided the ice and it's fucking pathetic. He's doing what he did in the playoffs, which literally sank this team...PP1 has been terrible. Full stop. I don't care how pretty they look passing the puck. They've been ridiculously bad. And speaking of doubling down, LAVIOLETTE was literally giving them 1:30 out of every 2 minutes...in short, this is a coach still grasping at straws. He lucked out with a goaltender who came alive, against a weak opponent, and with his top line waking up...The problem, folks, is that THIS Ranger team wasn't even two thirds as good as the one that played the Penguins in October. Not even close.

I fully believe a win is a win is a win...mostly...but if you're feeling great after this one? Pump the brakes. Hard. Yes, you gotta start somewhere. But this Penguins are a bad team. A REALLY bad team. They have almost no D, a geriatric offense, and their tender has been struggling to get his save percentage over .850...And like the Canadians before them, the Pens were in that game basically until the end...That game was played with ZERO passion from either side at least through 30. Really more like 40...Positives? SHESTERKIN looked like his old self. The silver lining of this all is that maybe...JUST MAYBE...the contract negotiations were weighing on HIM and he wasn't on his game...but again, this is a Pens team that they annihilated two months ago...embarrassed. And now, they're just squeaking by..Good notes, for sure are more shots for, less shots against. Superior goaltending. On the player side, SMITTY Jr. looked like a man on a mission, for whatever reason. THAT player looked almost worthy of what the Rangers gave up for him...Good to see PANARIN come alive too...But really that's where the positives end...I'll say this: The Rangers playing this sort of game against the Devils Monday would not have resulted in a win. Maybe not a 5-1 loss, but playing like they did will not beat top or even decent teams...I didn't have to wait long for LAVIOLETTE to do what I figured he would, which is staple MANCINI to the bench...I agree, that the TROUBA trade is in the rearview mirror...but the RIGHT thing for MANCINI would've been for him to spend the year in Hartford. He's a good player. He needs minutes. Playing 10 or 12 a night will not be good for him OR this team...sticking with this theme...LAVIOLETTE just continues to double down on overplaying his top guys. I'll cut

Dave Maloney gave his opinions before the game which were fairly honest. The players needed to pick up their game. And without mentioning the coach said that they need to stop relying on the top two lines and give the minutes to the players that deserve it in each game, and stop giving up so many chances. And his big question was what captain of the Nyr has not been traded while being the captain?……and I say It’s like the scarlet letter. Maybe it’s better just to go with A’s instead. I think gallant was on to something by having 6 of them. Trouba openly admitted that the summer noise affected him, which naturally spread to the team. I’ll not mention by name the other two elephants in the room who have sucked too much oxygen instead of breathing life into it.

The positives... coming back after the softie that Shesty let in ..and coming back after the bad penalty Jones took .. that lead to the goal regardless of the successful PK .. pickin up teammates after bad plays is significant IMO .. and Smith, who took the body on the Ice chicken D instead of reaching ... ultimately created the opportunity for the GW goal ... u do not have to runthrough people but have to be physically engaged to win

Something wrong with fox his knee must still be an issue.. the big secret he is just average these days. He is just is too slow.

ESPN was just talking about the NYR's possibly trading for JT MILLER.... they were talking about Miller having problems with some of his teammates... AGAIN. Everywhere this guy goes.... Divided locker room when he was with the NYR's, one when he was with the LIGHTNING... and this is now the 2nd time with the CANUCKS... There are now rumors out there that Miller is out because HE needs a re-set. You know because he has some attitude problems.... There is a reason why the NYR's got rid of him under cover of night. DRURY should know all of this... BUYER BEWARE!!!

Yawn of a game..Rangers played like they did for 40 mins agaist Montreal...hustling, backchecking and skating, but little physclity from either team .Penns provided zero push or forecheck,,.still..some bums finally played a little better and a win is a win,,....In the big picture, I don't think this game shows anything about the psyche of the team but can see that DRURY has created one additional need (TOUGH, physical D-man) for the team but has more cap space for the year...Also can see this night be the start of a time when Laviolettee goes back to minimizing the kid line and skates the Panarina and ZBad lines to death..just a feeling

Backcheck was much better and we pressured the puck…It was the Pens but everyone had been smoking us…The lowly Blues blew us out in our building…. On to Sunday…

Good things happen you backcheck. Haven’t seen Mika and Panarin hustle on defense like that in a while. Mancini was fine

Looked like a trip on purpose to me…Well baby steps…They looked better than they have…

The second PP unit is basically worthless at this point. They've had no real in-game ice time together and they look super tentative.

Also funny the Zbad took the weak shot the ended up rebounding right to smith for the goal. See shoot the puck Z!

PJ - Yes he has and I pointed it out during the last few games how well he played..but not tonight...hmmmm

Brilliant for zac jones to go make a change after his penalty and penguins on rush right in front of him

Hospo- we don’t have anybody: And apologies for the shit post but I’ll preface it with I got shitfaced at happy hour tonight but let’s be honest. Anybody on the wall who truly believes we are going to win a Cup in the next 5 or 10 years? I hope I get one more to enjoy with my kids but have no confidence whatsoever and that just blows

PJ - Not that I don't like Mancinni, I do, but he's taking a huge jump very quickly.....We just signed IGOR to 11.5 mill per, who is gonna protect him or at least try..?? for another day when it matters, not against Pitt

Stranger.... There are only 2 guys on that team who's contracts expire after this season and he is one of them :) I can't wait for that dude to retire :)

Beyond my obvious dislike of Zbad, I am seriously worried about Fox’s game, which has gone down the toilet since his knee injury.

I like both Jones and Mancini…Miller I can do without…Lindgren just not the same anymore…

There is plenty I can say about the trade, but I probably will just annoy the Wall with my rambling. That said, while I am far from a Drury supporter, I think he did what he had to. His job is to improve the team and deal with the salary cap. He has not been able to do that with the contracts and cap. Much of this is his own making, but a lot has been inherited. But at the same Drury has not shown to be able to make trades that improve the team beyond just overspending on rentals or doing salary dumps, like the Goodrow waiving, and this Trouba deal. I have no idea if he truly is not done making changes, but I certainly am not against it. At best this team was not quite as good as last year and that team was not good enough. At worst we have the past three weeks to savor. Still don’t think we will see any long term improvement without more moves and probably another coaching change. Something has been very off with this group and getting the Trouba fiasco overwith is just start but not a magic elixir.

It doesn't matter in a shit game like tonight and I don't know if Drury cares about competing for a Cup this year but, if he does, with Manacinin still very iffy as an NHLer, Jones and Fox lightweights, Miller only playing physical when he wants, and the injury plagued Lindgren playing smaller and smaller, what the hell do the Rangers do about a strong, consistently physical D-man???

Emily Kaplan said there was a player on Detroit that wouldn't waive his clause to be moved to make a Trouba deal work.... What are the chances that it was Patrick Kane? :)

Rangers look to have a little life, but still sloppy as shit. The 1PP still doing the same crap and Z still afraid to shoot. Not that excited to be up by 1 against the lowly Playpens.

Damn, Panarina is amazing in these patty cake no hitting games....That said..great shot!

It’s a hobby of mine. I like to remember witty quotes. I will forever remember “Great players are capable of amazing things”. Ray Ferraro. You fuckwad.

Rangers look like a completely different team! Best they’ve looked in…let’s see…3 weeks! Some individuals look like new players….Lindgren, ZiB, Miller, Smith..,,

There might be some rust there, Z was mostly playing with TRO while Kreider was out.

HOSPO - Fair enough. I respect your opinion. Maybe TUBA doesn’t owe us anything, but I feel we do owe a bit to each other…sometimes, lol. From my side, this is mostly harmless bloviating on my part. At the end of the day, everyone here wants the same thing…

Why do the have Cuylle circling around the high slot for the 2nd PP unit?? It does nothing

PJ: Laff is struggling offensively too...him and Miller look like they are afraid to make a mistake.

That play is exactly what this team has to clean up .. work hard to recover the puck and then lazy giveaway at the blueline for a grade A chance against

FYI both ZBAD and kreider were offered the craptaincy and said no trouba took it. The curse of the rangers craptaincy only messier has been able to hold into it and win with it.

LIMBO - His performance is something totally different..which i didn't think was being discussed..The entiire team except for Cuylle sucked for 3 weeks so, if performance was the metric, every fucking player should hve been traded..Trouba nd his leadership and allegiance to his team and teamate is another story

TD - I agree with a lot of what you said. Pretty obvious by the timing that this was a TUBA for IGOR deal. We can agree to disagree on TUBAs play over the past few years. He’s gone now, it’s over. Let’s see what happens.

Brian2d - because the wife’s residency was a bullshit canard that Fuckface Brooks offered to cover his poor reporting and inflammatory column. She was never the problem. TROUBA didn’t want to leave.

So, will Fox-Lindgren be the #1 PK unit on D..with Fox being the crease cleafrer?

HOSPO - lol. I think we have a communication breakdown. Where did I say he owed me anything? Lol. Nope. Never said it. BUT THAT SAID - you don’t think he owes his employer to not suck? You don’t think he owes it to the fans to not suck? Well, that is an interesting point, lol. And, regardless, I LITERALLY said - I would do the same thing he did. Every day. But here’s the the thing…I’m not him. I just root for the team. So…Fuck Him. If he doesn’t like it, or anyone doesn’t like it, I really don’t give a shit. I’m happy he’s gone. It’s time to move on from players who suck ass at hockey.

Limbo - pump the brakes, dude. TROUBA was playing fine for the first month of the season. Actually looked like the old Jake. But then the team hit the skids. And then he got offered around. And then everything went south. Let’s not make this out to be something it ain’t. He came into the season with the right intentions. But bottom line? DRURY wanted to get the SHESTERKIN sitch resolved, and the only way he could do it was to clear $6 mil in cap…or take the plunge and have to move assets to divest him come the off-season. To DRURY’s very limited credit, he gave the team a chance to pull it together, and they didn’t.

One thing I'm missing: If Trouba's wife's residency was supposed to end this year, why didn't he negotiate an additional year on the NMC, even if he had to accept less money to do so. That would have avoided this situation.

PJ - Drury mangled the Troubs situation, how he dealt Goodie, this fucking bozo letter..and i'm sure what he will do in his emasculating of the Rangers in his future moves..

Well i liked trouba on the team. Some or many of yoj can disagree. Now. What will be done to become a tough team to play on the playoffs. Now softer to play against teams like florida and capitals and carolina. Dont have the speed to best the devils

TDCHI - exactly - You could feel the hurt and sadness, though others think otherwise

Do everyone here would put job over family?….It shouldn’t have been handled publicly…That and the letter to other teams has really worked wonders…Why are many of the others not putting forth effort?

JFC - I stand by what I said before..This is somebody life we are talkingn about where multiple things interct and things change every .Wanted to stay but finally knew it wasn't viable......Thanks for everything Troubs!

JFC - I think it’s pretty obvious why he “accepted” a trade now. DRURY grew a pair and told him, pick your place or you will be waived and are going to CBJ. TUBA blinked first. Not surprising. DRURY is barely human - he doesn’t blink…he just licks his eyeballs…like a lizard, lol.

Not sure how anyone can watch that interview with TROUBA and get the takeaway that he didn’t give a shit. Man. The dude was choking back tears.

LIMBO - Like he would care what the fuck somebody like you or me says?....I would have made the saame choice..and yes a thosusnad times over just like him...for me..my family..and for playing on team I loved and the city he loved living...He owes nothing else to you or anybody else....

Hospo - he just basically said on ESPN between periods that he wanted to hold on and stay here for his family, Then Weekes asked him how the logistics were for him and his family and he said it’s no big deal…my wife will finish up her business here in NY. He did what he did over the summer just to squeeze as much time here as he could and now he’s like, oh well, my wife is gonna finish her residency here and we’ll go from there…like it’s no problem. He didn’t like that it went public. Why? If he did nothing wrong, why?

So it's clear. My beef with Trouba as a Ranger was his dumbass contract which was on Squishface not him. The crap he pulled on the Jets was selfish shit.

That was a much better period than I have seen in quite awhile, have to wonder how much the Trouba stuff was dragging them down. Only one period…….but better. They actually forechecked and had some possession.

Well, now we’ve heard it from the horse’s mouth - TUBA choose his family over his career (I.e. the team). Fine. I would probably do the same. BUT….as a fan of the team, and not your family, may I say: FUCK OFF! The fact that I even know what your wife does tells me how toxic and stupid this situation got to. You have sucked for years. Were overpaid from the get go. You forced your way off of WPG for your own benefit - hmmm, seems to be pattern there. You forced your way to stay here and proceeded to be a completely absent captain. This is addition by subtraction. And the TUBA ERROR comes to the inevitable inglorious end. Outside of a few elbows, it was entirely…forgettable. DRURY is no saint here either. GMCD should have waived this POS the second he kiboshed the summer deal. Then he gives that ridiculous contract to IGOR. It’s HANK-CAP-GATE 2.0. What a disaster. We know how this story ends, lol. Unless the cap doubles the next few years, we are fucked, fucked, fucked.

JFC - The entire team looked like shit the last 3 weeks..including the captain and pretty boys like Fox, Laffy an d so many others...Maybe he didn't accept a trade before because he loved it here in NY, with the players..wanted to move through it with the team..but fianally felt it wasn't possible with the GM

So now he says AGAIN that he didn’t like how it was handled….so again, why does he leave NOW and not before

How has this patty cake pathetic Penguin team won 4 straight? Has Sullivn specifically told them not to initiate physical contact? not that the Rangers are complaining

No one is saying Trouba wasn’t a good Captain….the root word in wasn’t is WAS…he was a good Captain. This year he was shit…he didn’t seem engaged on the ice….hiw many big, open-ice hits did we see? The usual amount? Nope. He wanted to stay put for his family? What about his Rangers family? He said it was hanging over him….he’s admitting he let it effect the way he operates as Captain and he helped create this mess they’re in. He wanted to stay but then put LESS effort into his job. How does this reflect well on him? I don’t care what he has done right now….why did he accept a trade now and not before?

It doesn't necessarily say anything about what the team thinks about Drury's handling of the situation. This is a business. There is a hard cap. Tough choices need to be made. Trouba was making a ton of money. He used what leverage he could in the offseason to prevent a trade and the more this team continued to shit the bed the more it became apparent a big change needed to be made. Here we are....

Rhet0ric - dude, that’s just not true! TROUBA was directly connected to SHESTERKIN’s contract. They couldn’t have kept both. And the second they signed SHESTERKIN, the chances someone would take TROUBA’s whole contract without a pot sweetener? Yeah. Gone. That’s what they were trying to do last summer when Brooks crapped all over everything. The two events are intimately connected.

People on the wall here have bad things to say about Trouba but they don't know shit. Here is what Quick said. He’s been a staple of the team’s leadership core for years as players both admire and respect him. “I can’t say enough about (Trouba) and what he’s meant to this team and this locker room overall," Jonathan Quick said via The Athletic's Peter Baugh. "He’s a great person, great teammate, great captain. Wishing him the best with dealing with all this stuff.” Schneider and others said nearly the same. "All this stuff". Tells you a lot about what team thought of Drury handling things.

Mens league no check game so far...CHYTL always looks best when bull rushing from the right wing

Yes, Drury has been so successful motivating the team…Players can’t allow anything to impact their play…..Bullshit…

Ranger prancing boys should do good in this game, there is no checking whatsoever

Oh, so now the name calling and hate comes out for guy that gave everything he had for the Rangers ..The guy that is the names you use is the incompetent Drury....Oh, MIller and Schneider still look like shit together

JFC. Or a selfish dick. Lol. But you're correct when it comes to him historically being a me-first guy. He held out twice with the Jets then put them between a rock and hard place by forcing a trade to 1 team.

And Trouba is a cunt, how about that? Mealy-mouthed, selfish POS who admits he was just what I said he had become….a BLACK CLOUD over the locker room. He gave a half-assed effort both on the ice and off the ice this season and him and his wife can go fuck themselves. He sounds so noble saying he chose his family over his job….he makes $8 million a year and they couldn’t hire a nanny? He wants to be a multi-millionaire hockey player while his wife plays doctor and then sound noble that he somehow sacrificed? He broke his fucking contract and fucked his team mates with his lack of effort. He also FORCED HIS WAY INTO NY in the first place. He is a selfish cunt.

The rangers could’ve traded Trouba at the draft, but he blocked the move as his agent apparently called teams on his list and hinted he wouldn’t report if traded. He successfully avoided a trade that would’ve been better for NYR, but I don’t begrudge him that, as he wanted his wife to finish her residency. That said, he played poorly this season, lost a step as well as last playoffs when he played hurt, but bottom line he was a 3rd pair D on this team and made $8mm on a team hamstrung by the cap. Drury keeps thing close to the vest, I don’t believe he leaked the shit this summer, I believe it was other teams or agents, but he had a deal with Detroit, his hometown and I don’t blame him for contesting. I respect Trouba who was a warrior here, but this team was being broken up after this season if they didn’t win a cup, and clearly they have been shit since the first 6 games or so. When are the players responsible? Fire the coach? The GM? Play your asses off and shut everyone and everything down- they were warned and the effort was shit. More fallout coming, it’s “the letter” part 2.

Just got back from a wake in NY and see Drury gets Shesty for $11.5 million and we’re still bitching?

hospo.... we will run them out of the building tonight! (not the ice chickens.... the sorry ass fans)

To me Trouba troubles started when Squishface gave him that 8 x 8 contract. It was overpay from the start.

Drury has been fucking this team over with his incompetence for over 2 years of abysmaal moves...Has no clue how to build a Cup contender, manage NHL assets or treat his players...God did he fuck up the Troubs situation and the team leading to his trade for a wortless piece of shit D-man.and leaving the Rangers with a bunch of bllless wonders and mamby pamby defense....But,, he does know how to overpay like with Mika the Meek and IGOR...All that siad, everything depends on the state of the locker room, the psyche of the team and how Drury has left them...We'll see tonight..

guy making $8MM a year is fuckin complaining? GTFO... I hope someone knocks his block off

A thought crossed my mind after the Truba trade......if Trouba had a run in with anyone on this team or just dislikes him......that guy or guys better keep their heads up ,the next time Trouba plays against us.....just sayin'

All of this could've been avoided if DRURY had one little conversation back in the summer. At least that way, they could've kept if quiet and Trouba would've been able to save face.... or, if Drury had shown Trouba that little amount of respect, maybe he even would've accepted a trade back then. We will never know. How much damage has the GM done to this team? I guess we'll find out in the coming days..... I don't blame any of this fiasco on Trouba: IMO, he did the best for him and his family with the hand he was dealt. Best of luck to him in Anaheim.

Well Igor is happy unfortunately there is no team in front of him. Goodrow and trouba 2 toughest players gone . I get the cap issue. Igor better take boxing lessons.

Wrong way druray I hope Trouba sends you a plaque with that statement on it. You wear it well, mr close to the vest with a leaking big mouth and nothing to show for it so far as the almighty gm and president of the Nyr, just like your predecessors for the last 30 years.

gene_carr: The fact that Chytil came back in a relatively short period of time since the most recent "upper body injury" may be indicative that his brain is / has healed. I'm hoping he's overcome a "health-hurdle" and isn't susceptible to concussions. Crosby overcame a hurdle, hopefully Chytil does too, but it's an unknown.

Andrei- maybe you have inside information but I thought captains were picked by the coach?

So Trouba now verifying that almost everyone agreed was true: "Former #NYR??? captain turned Ducks defenseman Jacob Trouba on how things transpired in New York: "I'll be honest, I was put in a decision this summer to make a decision between my career and my family and I chose my family. I would choose my family 100 times over again. I don't feel bad about that. I was happy about it. I don't like that it was made public necessarily or how everything unfolded so publicly, but I guess that's part of New York and what happens. It made it difficult to play kind of what that hanging over everything. The result is the result. I'm happy with moving forward, but I'm not overly thrilled with how it went down. In my opinion, things could've been handled better. I'm not blaming anybody or anything, just kind of how it happened I thought was kind of unfortunate."

That should be.... CHANGE the topic of conversation.... ALSO: If CUYLLE keeps having this type off of season, I would sign him long term.

Let me be perfectly clear. We did not trade Trouba to pay for Igor. Drury waited to announce the IGOR signing until a Trouba trade was done so he could trade the topic of conversation.... With the trade of Trouba: we now have the ability to sign K'Andre Miller long term, but if it were up to me, I would NOT do that. Not with his rumored asking price. JMO, of course.

I can see them coming out flat as a pancake tonight and getting blown pff the ice. I hope not, but it seems inevitable given the current circumstances. This is a night for a leader to step up. I think we may be fresh out, however, and have been for quite some time.

So cap relief to avoid a potential disaster. Shook up the room. Got rid of an issue and the team better be awake now. But in my observation they’re really not weaker for this move. If I’m Drury I’m feeling pretty good about this day.

mf: Agree we need another up and coming center in the mix. Chytil is the most skilled center right now and I would be leery to move him. Potentially he is our first line center. I really like his play. There are players (Crosby) who have come back from serious concussions and played well. IMO too early to try and move him. Brake up the bromance would be my first choice.

What I said: Rangers will need to trade TROUBA before next season, and they asked for his no-trade list early at the draft in case a deal came their way. What thje Feckless Dotard said: The Rangers tried to trade TROUBA, but he blocked the deal and the threatened not to report to any team, thereby removing all ability of the GM to work. And he did it because his wife had one year left on her residency and it's all her fault and he'll probably be traded this summer. LOL. So I'll wait now for Brady TKACHUK to become a Ranger. Gonna happen! Braindead Larry says it! Like GOSPEL!

This is DRURY's attempt to clear the air...and I suspect it won't work...Kevin WEEKS, the guy who actually DOES get insider info, was basically saying the SHESTERKIN deal was forthcoming almost a month ago. Then they got the absolute fuck beat out of them and this funk started...two weeks later, the 'open for business' story dropped. And then two weeks later, TROUBA is gone...this right here is a desperate attempt to correct a problem that is less with the leadership on the ice and more with the guy behind the bench...and I suspect y'all will see this play out...A very similar thing happened in Boston...and you know how that worked out?! Guess where there coach is now.

Oh and by the way let’s have a hip hip hooray for druray who takes lemonade and makes lemons out of it. The best Nyr gm since sather. The vest versus the cigar. Aka shit and sweat….

As the stomach turns … I seem to remember no way are they going to trade Trouba, but I think that was from someone on the sauce. And now the story changes and gets spun into a blanket to coverup.

mf, Rangers were never going to let Shesti walk. Now let's hope that house cleaning is not done.

My head is gonna explode today. I was gonna post before get ready for the red carpet glitz and glam press conference on Igor and they literally did it before I could even post it. This is too much pro and con shit to process. I’m just gonna read everybody else and check out lol

Here are several irrefutable truths: 1. The Rangers had to trade TROUBA or another one of the big contracts...or a couple mid-sized contracts OR trade/risk losing SHESTERKIN. 2. The Rangers got nothing in return for their captain. 3. $6-$6.5 million of the space they have now will go to SHESTERKIN come July 1, so whatever they do with it over the next five months will be temporary. 4. Victor MANCINI is being rushed into a spot that will result in him getting less icetime. 5. The team is weaker, softer, and less experienced and have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Stevie, you will not hear it anywhere, since it's all inside the locker-room, and info like that never get's leaked out. Players vote captains. If Kreider was this team "leader" it only makes sense that players would have voted him in or offered to vote him in? No?

When players with limited NMCs get traded the new team has the right to waive the NMC. Or used to. Dunno if that's the case here but if so McPhee can trade Trouba anywhere now. He'll get a first if he eats half of Trouba's salary especially if Trouba plays well for the Ducks.

Tom427 - Don't need to worry too much about that. He'll probably be on waivers in a couple weeks.

PJ, who said anything that Kreider is not liked by his teammates? I think he is very liked and I also think he is a great team-mate and he is well liked around the league. I like Kreider is a player. That's said, I just don't believe he is this "great" leader in the locker-room, that's all. That's the notion I'm challenging.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA on WHAT fucking planet was Dotard Brooks RIGHT about TROUBA?!? That fucking idiot blamed his wife for nixing the move. OH..look at that being wrong. That guy is stupid as the work day is long. About as close to right as he got was that DRURY was shopping him. That's about it. Oh...and remember that part where he pinned everything on TROUBA's wife?! LOLOLOLOLOL. That fucking idiot also printed a column about them going after TKACHUK. Let's see where THAT whopper goes.

Andrei did your sauce tell you that Kreider was ever offered to be captain and that he has turned it down? At $6 million he’s a bargain even with his bad back and missing rib .

Andrei….I have never heard that Kreider wasn’t liked by his teammates…Just the opposite… Not every player is captain material…Your constant bashing of him and Z is obsessive to say the least…

Mf slow as usual. Larry is Larry brooks who some claim he knows nothing. Stanley is druray as in Stan laurel, and I’m surprised you didn’t ask who is Oliver Lardy. Maybe you should step away from your traderator.

Speaking of the Kreider's non-existent leadership. I'm having hard time believing that Rangers for years went on without a captain and Kreider's being a longest tenure Ranger, that in no point over years, players had not offered him to be captain of the team? Which means he had turned it down at least multiple times with different players on the team. It also means that in no point, he had no interest being a team leader. That goes back to Calli's time, after Calli was traded. Management don't pick captains, players do. So Kreider is this "great" leader who wanted no part being a "leader"? It sure fits his personality, this low key, calm and collected guy.

Keeping Lardy means that the team problems will continue. Wrong way druray has mission accomplished on his vest . He got rid of Goodrow for zero in return except cap space and now he’s finally proved the LB SUMMER RUMOR WAS TRUE on trueba. LARRY TOLD YOU SO! …The odds in Vegas probably doubled today on the Nyr winning the cup. They’ll be lucky to even make the playoffs after laurel and Lardy are finished with this team.

Cmark: At this point, I have no issue with Trouba out & Mancini in. My amateur eye see's Mancini on the fast track to acclimate similar to Schneider. We just shed a bunch of dollars, got younger, and continue the transition to the "next core." jmo-n

Also hard to move Z because everyone else sees his current play. If Z was on another team would we want to trade for him? Lot of risk for a gamble.

MF- Good for them if they can. They should wait for the deadline and retain half his salary. He’ll end up on the Devils or the Canes, lol!

I think one’s view in this trade is dependent on how you view Drury. If you think he conspired to backstab JD and Horton, you feel he is a spineless coward who is as incompetent as he is milquetoast in the personality department. If you are like me, you think he is doing what he can to deal with the cap. I remember he removed himself from consideration for the Penguins GM job while he was still assistant GM. He was obviously promised the GM of the Rangers at some point. The Wilson fiasco sped up the process. I agree Ranger fans will miss Goodrow and a healthy Trouba in the playoffs. But this is a cap world and there are realities. But Trouba and Goodrow are gone and 12M in cap space cleared up.

I haven’t been on Twitter for a bit, but I’m sure there is much jubilation there!

gene_carr: Cand we add Chytil to that trade with Ottawa to get Shane Pinto coming our way too? I like Chytil but we need another center in the organization. jmo-n

I for one don’t fault Trouba for caring about his wife’s career and none of us know what really happened. I still side with any player who wants to use his contract and leverage to do what’s best for him and his family. This isn’t fantasy hockey and this is what a capitalist society is based on. We see things differ As fans. We want guys who only care about the team. But I do t think doing what’s best for the team and what’s best for you as an individual has to be mutually exclusive.

KIS- Term is why he was able to move Trouba and why moving Z is much more difficult. Z would have to waive his NMC AND you need to find a team that can build around him for the next 6 years. Z was a dominant center when he signed his contract. We can bitch all we want about Drury signing him, but Rangers hasn’t had a number one center since Messier. I doubt anyone could have predicted the rapid decline which is why there are still those that think he’ll snap out of it.

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Now the Rangers should focus on bringing in Connor McDavid in UFA in 1.5 years. $15MM a year X 8

I do not say this lightly but Drury is to be commended for this trade. It gives him 8K to make a move or moves. I would guess that Igor's raise was already factored into the long term plan. Tachuck in Ottawa is rumored to be unhappy and wants to move on. I think he is on the radar. If it takes Kreider in my view we are an improved teamif it happens. The rangers would have a whole new look.

Drury gave Trouba away…Drury being portrayed as this quiet competitor that knows what it takes is a joke..He is a little weasel that stabbed his bosses in the back by conspiring with Sather to get the job….JD and Gorton are the ones laughing now…Deal with it Jimmy boy…

Believe me when i say you will hear ranger dans we need a player like trouba. Remember the hits. Remember how he would drop the gloves. Why why why cant drury move zbad.

Also, should be a memo to never again trade for a player who is coming here because of what his wife does for a living.

He obviously isn’t going to a great franchise with almost no chance to win anytime soon. But the lifestyle is pretty good and it ain’t like LA is a bad place for a MD to get a job.

Can't the ducks trade Trouba anywhere now and also eat his salary ? He will be a Devil before the playoffs .

If the reporting is accurate, Drury had a convo with the team and with Trouba... add to it, he was able to say goodbye to his teammates. This should approve the mood in the locker room and hopefully we'll see a weight lifted from this team.... Now we just need to go out and find a defenseman :)

Trouba had to approve wherever he went, so by the property of IPSO FACTO, he would've blocked a trade to the other teams. From a certain point of view :)

Rhet: LOL. Kane isn't coming to NY. I think the next big question is who goes next, especially if the Rangers lose tonight to Shitsburgh.

Any time you get another team to pick up a player with the bloated cap hit, with year and a half left on it and not retaining salary, and get back a warm body that can sent down to AHL, and get a pick back, it's A++ in my book. To think that Trouba was making $8 mil and Drury was able to clear it all? Just wished Drury could have done it in over the summer, but Trouba wanted no part of it.

Nothing wrong with this deal at all. Trouba gone. No salary retained. Who cares about the guy coming back, he’s in Hartford or waved. Salt Lake City the way true had been playing, this is addition by subtraction. Clearly his mind wasn’t in it.

I might need to reassess Drury. Getting rid of Goodrow and Trouba salaries in total without giving up much is impressive. I might forgive him for his Kane love affair

CoMark: Sorry, but with the very public fiasco during the summer with Drury trying to move Trouba to Detroit that resulted in tons of press coverage that has never really gone away (until now I guess), negativity across the board resulted that impacted Trouba's play and with that because he became a lame-duck captain, the team overall. We'll never know but I cannot help believe that whatever return Yzerman was prepared to give up is a lot more than a fringe NHLer who likely will be with the Pack shortly and jettisoned from the organization July 1 2025.

In terms of available cap space the Ranger now sit 27th in the league. That's how much Trouba pulls down.

Mission accomplished. No salary retention and message is sent, loud and clear. Drury means business. Kreider is next, that unless he steps up with his game, but he has a very, very short runway. This is not just about this season, this is about team's culture change and major shifts in team's leadership.

I disagree with the belief that Drury made Trouba’s value less. His cap hit was detrimental for what he currently brings. I liked his toughness but his defense was pretty poor at the end of last season and all but the first few games of this season. I thought for sure we’d be bringing back a terrible contract and including an asset. But if it’s his leadership that is a problem, this is addition by subtraction. Hoping Mancini is ready (I think he is) but I like Trouba for the most part.

I would have gladly accepted Gudas back in return in a "swap of the captains trade."

BTW, the 4th rounder is conditional: New York receives the lower of Anaheim or Detroit 2025 4th round pick

The kid is on the IR list: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/ducks-urho-vaakanainen-placed-on-injured-reserve/

VCP: I would probably take sather back at this point . That is how bad Drury is. A quiet weirdo.

Giacomin... Totaslly agree. Mancini will be more physical then some expect. We still need to go out and get a banger, hopefully for Fox.

VAAKANAINEN is a bust. Pure and simple as that. Strongly doubt he'll be qualified at the end of the season.

TD: Oh come on dude, we all know you well enough by now: You LOVE saying I told you so.

rf4l Don’t think Schneider and Mancini on right side will be wimpy but if Drury got cap space more toughness would be nice, it seemed like Trouba lost his edge with Rangers don’t know those great hits were coming anymore!

Imagine trading your captain for a fringe player and a 4th rounder? More crappy asset management courtesy of a dude who clearly is in over his head. Drury screwed things up in the summer and created an untenable situation where he made Trouba basically worth nothing.

Drury is a total incompetent unless there is another deal in the works. I think the effort tonight on the ice will be something ranging from zero to "please beat us by ten goals because we don't want to play for these clowns anymore."

rf4L: or it’s the actual reality that Trouba has more value than fans give him. Like I have said all along.

The new FINN is a LHS D'man: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/v/vaakaur01.html

V is a former first round pick of the Bruins (18th overall) who clearly is an NHL/AHL tweener. This is pure salary dump and the fact that Drury accomplished that without giving anything like picks up is a feat on its own (for him). That said, the Rangers are now even more wimpier today.

They traded for a guy already on IR! At least we didn't give up a pick and retained no salary. A win in my books. Next up,. Mika

Offical trade call with the league hasn't happened yet, so still pending that approval, but it will be defenseman Urho Vaakanainen and a fourth-round pick to the Rangers for Trouba. Ducks take on full Trouba contract. No salary retained by Rangers.

Hospo, longtime lurker but I’m pretty sure you remember me. Aren’t you a central virginia/Charlottesville guy? If so, any good Ranger bars/ fan stuff going on? Moved recently about a half hour away from Charlottesville not exactly hockey country! Any thouhts much appreciated and if my memory is off my apologies. Thanks

if a pick is involved. This team is so week I probably take Gudas over zegras . I should just start drinking early.

I will repeat: Watch Dreary Drury give up picks to get Trouba moved. It's his MO after all.

lliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC.... Brendan Lemieux (CAR) is on waivers -- unconditional to terminate contract

Leave it to wrong way drurray to continue to try to fix the Trouba mess he made. In the meantime if he doesn’t give Lardy the riot act on his 5-5 play in their o zone with the shoddy play defensively, he’s just rearranging the chairs on the titanic.

Vatrano? He of 6 goals in 23 games this year? Freakin' HARD pass. Enough of trying to placate the Bromancers. ENOUGH

Vatrano has come back down to reality this season. He is on pace for just 20 goals. Maybe they hold onto him for the deadline, maybe not. Tough to say.

VATRANO- ah the bromance whisperer. Not sure why they would trade him, he has excelled as a goal scorer.

Shonuff. As long as i can't make a trade Drury is at the helm ..We should not expect much. We dump his salary and get Marcel Dionne back. Sather must be laughing!!!!!

foitu22 - LOL very true! Oh and I hear you. The very strange part about being tongue-and-cheek with the Rangers these days is that their GM seems to operate along those lines! Nothing surprises me any more...oh and I TOTALLY agree this is a step back. Probably, TBH, a precursor to a partial maybe even full reset...Glass half full? The Caps seemed to spiraling into a rebuild and they managed to right the ship...But you kinda have to have a GM with a brain to do that.

ZEGRAS has been struggling horribly with the DUCKS and he could really use a change of scenery as well.... but I think he's currently out with an injury.

TD... yeah, we talked about Vatrano for Trouba before. Also: I think any Trouba deal will include us eating some money(not including waivers).

TD- was saying it tounge and cheek. I might be in the minority but I think we will miss Trouba in the playoffs…if we even make them. I’m all for team toughness and I think think this is another step back. Obviously something needs to be done with this team/coach/org…just not sure this is the right move. Don’t see it changing much. And agreed…I’ll be shocked if we get anything of value in return. Don’t think drury announcing everybody is available was a great bargaining tool. It’s like Toys R Us going bankrupt and expecting to receive full value for all of their toys…

E - LOL, yeah, that wouldn't even get a foot in the door. Brady TKACHUK is probably one of maybe five or six players that simply would never be traded. He's about as safe as McDAVID and MATTHEWS at this point.

Tell me Othmann, Schneider and a 1 for Brady? All day, everyday I do that but it’s never gonna happen.

The recent rumors have been that Trouba would prefer a West Coast team. If Anaheim is indeed interested, that would seem to be a no brainier to me. I have no idea what a return might be.

fotiu22 - Honestly? That's not as far-fetched as conventional reason might suggest. THAT is about the return TROUBA is likely to bring.

FuckFace McDotard was saying Brady TKACHUK?!?! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What a fucking idiot. Ain't no way Ottawa is trading him unless he does what his brother did. And guess what? He's signed for the next four years.

At least Drury is dealing from a position of strength! Nothing ever surprises me with this organization. I should have my head examined for caring so much.

DREGER shutting down Brooks made up shit, just Anaheim, Detroit and CBJ interested in TROUBA and no Brady talks. Detroit seems like a no brainer, isn’t he from Detroit?

Makes no sense for Ottawa to trade Brady but if they did the trade would have to be stupid. OTHMAN, LAF or KK, SCHNEIDER and multiple #1s.

It's good to know that Drury finally cleared the air with the team. WTF took so long? At this point, Trouba is an addition by subtraction. He has been in a fog and not been much more than a constant distraction. It's better for both him and the team to just move on... The most important moves will be the ones Drury makes next (in the coming days/weeks). Lindgren is an UFA and we need to get something ion return for him. Miller should also go. No way I'm paying him $6-7 Mil per on his next contract for such mediocre defense. Let him put it all together somewhere else. Just make sure we get back quality back in return for him.

Well, we are in an interesting spot this morning aren’t we? I do remember some clueless jackass on this website advocating for the Rangers trading the number one overall pick when they want it to Ottawa for Brady Tkachuk. Clueless as I was then, it makes me laugh this morning, thinking about it. Why would Ottawa even think of trading Brady Tkachuk and what could the Rangers possibly put together in a package that would bring him back? Life for a year would obviously have to go. But what else? Make no mistake, I would love to have that guy as a Ranger. Ask for Jacob Trouba, I am torn. The Rangers treat their players like gold. That is a consensus around the league. But the good thing and the trooper thing for two departures from that. Truba has to go because he’s acting like he doesn’t wanna be there during the games it’s frankly incredible. It just seems like he’s playing not to get hurt. There’s no physical aspect to this game and he’s flat footed all the time. It’s clear he’s doesn’t wanna be there. I’m still puzzled as to why Crider’s name was on that list, but of course we don’t know what goes on in the locker room and behind the scenes. While I respect that the players have won themselves, the ability to determine where it is they’re going to play or at least a no trade list. It’s still a business and it has to be run like a business. Look how ruthless Tampa has been with players, yet their contender for all of these use and a couple cups. i’m not a truly defender. But I also don’t think he’s going anywhere so the Rangers are gonna have to make the best of it with him in charge. It does make sense that if a guy doesn’t wanna be there move them on the next few days should be interesting.

Its done now. I dont agree with it. This team is soft and you get rid of your two toughes players in goodrow and trouba. Drur you screwed the pooch. Why? So you could get more money to sign Igor. Idiot, you should have gotten rod of zbad. Ive said it for over two years. Smh. I hate that i love this fucki g team

NCRanger, you and me, both. I would love to see this core dismantled and put back together with the right players that actually show up every night. This ballet on ice has to stop. I don't think Rangers team was this "free-defense" and "free-contact" oriented since the Czech-mates era..

Moping and not scoring and avoiding physicality wherever possible is not leading ny example AFAIC.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/sports/rangers-sit-jacob-trouba-in-likely-end-to-new-york-tenure/

JFC31, agree 100%. That's called being a good teammate, when a vet works with kids. A lot of vet's do that. Some work with centers on draws, if the vest is a pro on faceoffs, etc. That's however, does not mean that vet is a great leader. Most player are not leaders. We don't know what goes behind the scene, but there is something is really wrong with this core. Something tells me that real leaders in the room are the kids, like Lafr and Cuylle. They seems to be leader type and I'm pretty sure they were in juniors.

DRURY as a GM has had his pluses. Trading with other GMs has NOT been one of them. Here are some greatest hits: a 2nd and a 5th for SMITTY Jr. A 4th for RUHWEDEL. EMBERSON for NEMETH, a 2nd and a 3rd. COPP for BARRON, a 1st, 2nd and 5th. REAVES for a third rounders...and EVERYONE'S favorite, Sammy BLAIS and a 2nd for BUCHNEVICH...Folks, if teams are sniffing around TROUBA, the reason they are is because they know they're about to get him either for free or in exchange for a player who really no one wants.

One thing is for sure...If they even sniff the playoffs this season, they will need...a Jacob Trouba. Panzy hockey before now what will post Trouba be ????? Does VCP have an answer ?lol

Hospo…Mancini and Jones have actually been pretty good defensively….Better than Miller and Lindgren for sure…Trocheck likely next captain if they choose to name one….I guess if they get rid of Trouba and Kreider we will get better play from Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Z, Laff and Trocheck….Sorry, just don’t see it…

I have mentioned this before but being a diehard Rangers and Cowboy fan I cannot believe how similar they are on most things. Both win divisions and although the Rangers get farther in the playoffs both are very overmatched usually in the end. Both basically ran the same team back and both also lost a little of what they had. Both did not address glaring weaknesses, and both have a "leader" who bought the entire team down. Trouba and "we fukin suck" Dak. Both have bad coaching in place and both have a GM that seems to hurt the team daily. The glaring difference is one entire organization has a no talk gag order while the other can't shut up publicly. Just sucks

JFC31 - Just saying that we're not getting shit for TROUBA. Maybe another bad contract, but I doubt even that. If the word is that they're using waivers as ploy, that means they're prepared to lose him for nothing. Also, just saw that JENNER is out for six months, maybe the season...so there's that!

Trouba is as good as gone. IMO, he has until 2 pm to pick a team that HS a deal in place that our shitty GM has pre-arranged. If not, he goes on waivers and just May go to CLB. Trick situation. I’d love for them to do the same thing w/ Mika. He’s done. I’d love to take a sledgehammer to this core, but IMO it will more of an unsuccessful stab at a modified re-tool

TD - look at Jenner’s point totals and games played. The one year he managed to play 82 games, he had 34 points. And who says that a deal involving Trouba is just him involved?

andrei - I tend to agree about the Bromance Bros. They (especially Z)probably think that “leading by example” should be good enough when in fact it is not…and they don’t even do that very well. Kreider seems to like to lick his spots and mentor young players which is all well & fine but true leadership involves leading everyone! Very good points about how Florida approached their situation…

Pure speculation on my part, but if its Columbus maybe a package involving Ivan Provorov and Sean Kuraley? Provorov is UFA next year so is definitely getting moved this year. Doesn't replace grit on the blue line but he's an effective first passer. Only problem is that we will be losing a first rounder in the process or someone like Othmann.

JENNER? LOL. Dude, if DRURY gets more than a mid-pick and a B-prospect, I will be floored. The reason so many teams are interested is because he's willing to give him away. This is a fantastically awful development for the season, but I guess they wanted to push the timeclock up.

When was the last time we didn't trade our captain? Anyone? Anyone? I believe it was Chris Drury lol

If team is looking to trade their captain, leadership core is crap and in most cases, it's part of the divide in the locker-room. This idea that winning "Presidents" trophy somehow means that everything was great that season and somehow team has to be "great" the following year is just non-realistic. There could be major issues with the team, but they played well enough together on the back of a play of star players who usually have had excellent years that season. But that does not mean that team was "great". In most cases, teams that win "Presidents" trophy's never win the cup. Why is that? Will use Florida is an example. After 120+ point season and swept loss to TB in the 2nd round, they did wholesale changes, trading their major core piece and team's star in Huberdeau as well as a core d-man Weegar for Tkachuk. I think Huberdeau wore an "A" that season. We have no idea what goes on the locker-room, but in my opinion, neither "Bromance" loverboys are "leaders" and fact that they think they are, is major part of the problem. Really believe that there is a major riff in the locker-room between "vets" and core of the young players.

Hospo - the only way Mika the Meek is on a Cup winner is as a 3rd line center. His importance to this team needs to be reduced to less ES time, PK and PP time, which should also be reduced if he can’t get his shit together. Sorry, but you can’t have a lame-dick Captain, especially if that lame duck is not leading the way he did before. Trouba’s post game presence has been reduced to very little and he stopped throwing big open-ice hits, most likely because they can be just as dangerous to one’s health as the recipient’s. When a President is a lame duck, his own party allies stop listening and start choosing sides. No kne wants to step into the void for fear of looking a usurper or maybe some purposely step up to angle for the captaincy. It’s just not healthy IMO

The Wings are reportedly still interested in Trouba but they'd have to clear out some more cap space. Ottawa may also be a choice as the NYR's have had a ton of conversations with them and they need a D-man bad.... There have also been some rumors that Buffalo would be interested in him if he ends up on the waiver wire

C'mon Hospo....you know Z-bad will step up his toughness to compensate for the loss of Trouba!

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/new_york_rangers_star_reportedly_declined_trade_to_vancouver_canucks/s1_17450_41357827

They trade Troubs, they better find a d-man with some balls and attitude right quick....what they have now without him is laughable physically

Just my $.02, I don't think Drury is or ever has really wanted to move Kreider. I think the recent play saying he was open for business and the Trouba play today is his way of saying to the entire group that things need to change and if you think I'm just going to fire the coach you're mistaken. CK is the longest tenured Ranger and him stating he's taking offers on him lets everyone know they can be shipped out at any time.

Where else could Trouba be going than Chicago or Detroit.? And what else will Drury have to throw in to avoid eating salary? And…..is Trouba the problem in the locker room? After how badly Drury messed up this Summer……..I can imagine that there are hard feelings. But the core seems to,have aged out inside of one year. Other than Panarin…….of course. Could this be a vaporization of the core and another rebuild?

Is Drury trying to fix/save the team..or blow it up???...JFC totally disagree with you on TROUBS not stepping back into the lock room...He did everything within his rights and wanted to stay nd play with hi teamates who he loved..I bet no one player held it against...It waas a DRURY fuck up just like Goodrow's poor disrespectful handling..and the letter of last week...So we trade Troubs, Kreider, one or two young players, maybe Lindgren....but we keep Mika the Meek which will ensure they nnever win a cup..

What’s Drury’s deadline to Trouba? Is it an Old West high noon or a get outa town by sundown Brown?

The rumors have been that Trouba would be willing to accept a deal to a West Coast team... Per Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC.... Okay, Jacob Trouba:.... Hearing Rangers do have several options, but Trouba can block with his partial no-trade. Rangers have indicated they will waive him if he does not accept one. One team is believed to be Columbus.... This is absolute hardball, but there is a precedent. In November 2005, Todd Marchant refused to waive his no-trade from Columbus to Anaheim as part of the Sergei Fedorov deal. So the Blue Jackets waived him, and the Ducks made the claim to "complete" the transaction. We will see what the day brings

RF - Fox would be a disaster….he leads himself and has manipulated the system just like Trouba did

Apparently there is more than one offer on the table and Drury is letting Trouba pick where he goes under the threat that if he refuses to pick one he'll go on waivers.

JFC. I'm betting no C will be put on anyone now. It's time for a younger player to have that. That said, maybe it'll be Fox...

E - I dunno…if Trouba has a chance to choose his destination rather than leave it up to chance, might he find that more attractive? If he knows the teams that have offers on the table and Drury says, “pick one”, at least he has a chance to sit down with his wife, do some quick research and decide what the best fit is.

SCHNEID: I dont think Drury is thinking nuclear option here. I think he is gonna try to up to grit and speed of the team as best he can. How much he can do in the regular season? As evidenced by the last 4-5 years probably not much unless we are much closer to the trade deadline. But nonetheless outside of whatever happens with Trouba I wouldn’t be surprised if he cuts bait on another premium player. And maybe some ancillary guys. I wouldn’t want to be Miller or Lindgren today.

Friedman saying Trouba going to BJs. Why do I get the feeling it'll cost the Rangers more draft picks?? I don't trust Dreary Drury as far as I could throw him.

Hospo - I know everyone is ripping into Drury but could it be his big mistake was being TOO RESPECTFUL and allowing Trouba to dictate the situation? I mean, to meantgere is no fucking way Trouba should have been allowed back in that locker room…especially as Captain. THAT was the big mistake Drury made…and as a former leader himself, Drury should have known better. Trouba ended up being a black cloud and a distraction….

I believe the most likely outcome is Trouba being placed on waivers, with a team ready to claim him. I’m skeptical about how much trade value he holds given his current on-ice performance compared to his cap hit.

I could see Chicago wanting some protection for Bedard. Trouba could be part of building that….

Arthur Staple: Drury sent out a memo to the NHL’s 31 other GMs two weeks ago saying he’d listen to offers, specifically ones about Trouba or veteran forward Chris Kreider. Now Drury is signaling his willingness to go down the same path he did with Barclay Goodrow in June — possibly waiving Trouba so a team on his 15-team no-trade list can claim him and not have to surrender anything in return. The threat of waivers could also pressure Trouba to waive his no-trade clause so he has some control over where he ends up. According to The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun, the Rangers have multiple deals on the table involving Trouba but all would require waiving the no-trade.

If DRURY really has the balls to trade part of the NYR core, he will do it with respect like trading Trouba to CHI or DET, Kreider to BOS, etc. What I really wonder is what he does with his 2 Russian players... Panarin has 1 year to go on his deal, will he waive his NMC if he doesnt like the shake up? If so, does Drury fold this year and deal Shesterkin at the deadline and go full nuclear rebuild?

RF4L - Not sure if you've seen what is in the Hawks' system right now...but...suffice to say? They will NOT be bad for much longer. The talent they have right around the corner is pretty intense...well actually, VERY intense. I mean, you never know. But some of the top guys they drafted before BEDARD are still top-tier players but are down in the double digits on their prospect depth chart because they're THAT deep. Like Oliver MOORE. That dude is a banging prospect. Would be number two in our system. There? I'm not sure he even breaks 15.

The leadership of Troubs nd Krieder was great last year with a team that fought for each other and never quit...All of a sudden they are shit leaders?This is a fucked up concoction of Drury's making, and I don't know the particulars but he won't get good value on his deals noew and I don't trust him one iota to make deals to make it better..unless you consider playing for the cup in 4 years better....Tonight will be interesting

Ha. If TROUBA is in fact being traded, then this team is about to really hit the skids, because there's no way he's bringing back what they're going to need. But...I'll believe it when I see it.

Now if we could just pry LAUZON and O’REILLY out of Nashville. Gonna miss TROUBA trains.

And if anybody thinks the Rangers will go with BOTH Mancini, who likely needs more time in the AHL, and Jones..well, let's just say that D will get wrecked all year..I t will too with Troubs unless he and the team come back together

Wow on TROUBA....Prelude to trade..or Drury putting the screws to him? Either way, if he is NOT any part of any locker-room in fighting, this could be a horror show tonight against a hot team..Let's see how the team reacts...Must See TV

Excellent news! Take the sledge hammer to that "leardershipless" core. Hopefully, it is one of many to come. Go get them, Drury!..

Mollie Walker: Jacob Trouba will not be on the ice today for purposes of roster management, The Post's Larry Brooks reported. He will not play tonight vs. Pittsburgh. Victor Mancini to be recalled. This appears to be a prelude for a trade for the Rangers captain.

Larry Brooks just now said Trouba has been scratched for tonite but since I did not see it on the wall I am not sure.

So the Hawks who have little talent besides Connor Bedard despite having in the past 3 drafts 8 firsts, 5 seconds and 8 thirds, fired their coach yesterday. Like it's his fault. What a joke of a franchise that is now.

JFC. That lifelong devotion is actually a curse set upon us by someone very very mean.

Hospo. Lol. I like it! BTW Barfalo just list their 5th straight game. Ottawa and Detroit are schufflling along. Surely there's a deal to be made with at least 1 of those clubs. Shitsburgh tonight - my gosh another Ranger horrorshow might result in Drury's dismissal. His lack of response could end up being the nails on his Ranger coffin.

Hah..I was just spitting chicklets with that but just looked and Kreider-ZBAD-Lindgern for Forsberg-O'Reily-Lauzon is almost an exact wash in dollars and years..ANd hey, they cqn hve Big COuntry Bck and we get Brunette..OK, I'll put my bong down now

RF4L Bromancers for Bromncers!!..Kreider and ZBAD for Forsberg & O'Reily! add in Lindgren or Troba and Bring back Lauzon!!!

JFC - "My lifetime Rangersl devotion has a red flashing dissipation light flashing and I’m not getting younger! "...Hah..You and me buddy! Why we feel the same way with what the team needs to do now...Put their big pants on and fix this fucker! Of course, if the damage is irrepairable and they shit their big boy pants, well, we're shit out of luck!

Jfc31 if he isn't taking 11-11.5 then he walks anyway.....can't pay him 12 or more my opinion...

I find it really amazing how so many people on Rangers social media are so glib and willing to just start “retooling” by trading Shesty and many other players who are virtually UNTRADEABLE because of NMC’s. The Rangers Cup window was legitimately flung open LAST SEASON. GG’s 1st season was a fun joy ride…they weren’t ready to won a Cup. LAST SEASON was the 1st season that they had a legit shot and now were supposed to start over and give up on the best goalie in the world with revenues ZOOMING and the cap set to rise by huge amounts going forward? Get TF outta here with that shit. My lifetime Rangersl devotion has a red flashing dissipation light flashing and I’m not getting younger! Shesty ain’t going anywhere….get fucking used to it. We need to get this team back on track….not BLOW it up. That’s what we’d be doing by letting Shesty go…blowing this shit up and waiting some more anguishing years to get the right mix.

Trade shesty now free up cap space .....let's start a GoFundMe for shesty.....the goalie with no D in front of him.

TDCHI - Who are you freaking kidding? You love it..!..................But, yeah, only trades to be made right now are likely bad ones are fringe ones….live or die with what you have….hope the team breaks through to the other side stronger..if they don't, coach goes..that doesn't work……then sell…but creativity and roster remodleing is usually for the off season..and usually not one of Drury’s skills!...Everybody screamed about the Rangers lack of depth at C and the CHYTL fragility since last year...that's all on DRURY....CHYTL gets hurt AGAIN..play Kakkao at center...until near the deadline where it will or won't be worth to try and improve the position…....I still have no clue why the Rangers did not commit to turning EDSTROM into a full time Center, makes so much more sense than with REMPS..

Hate to be the Debbie Downer here, but let's get a couple things straight: The Rangers absolutely CANNOT afford to eat salary...not a dime of it. Not now. Probably after the season either. They are too tight on the cap, and even IF they get rid of a big contract, all that money is going to SHESTERKIN...so if you're trad-o-rating, take that into consideration...there is one caveat I'll mention, but it's silly...so next point: The Rangers have ZERO...I repeat...ZERO center prospects that will be anywhere near NHL ready anytime before March. No one. The closest two we have are GROULX and LESCHYSHYN. So if we're trading Z, unless there's an NHL-ready center that can step into first-line minutes? Check yourself right there...Z to the Stars is a fun thought and all, but 1. who are they sending back? And 2. why in the fuck wouldn't they just look for an internal solution, given all the centers they have? OH...and...who is going to replace him? Let's say for a crazy hot, wet, and wild minute that they send Mavrik BOURQUE back...the Rangers...who NEED to make the playoffs...are going to go on with TROCHECK and CHYTIL as their top two centers?! C'mon...The PINTO business makes a bit more sense...Dude is from New York. American-born. And his only path forward is out of Ottawa. He will be traded, it's just a matter of when and where. But that said? He's not a player that's going to be flipped for a late-round pick. You're looking at a roster player, for sure. KAKKO is probably the ask, if I were to bet. Might be able to do something like MANCINI and BERARD, but who's up for that? The Rangers are about as bad of a trade partner as they come. The assets they have are going to be needed next season. They desperately need to hold onto their first rounder, because they traded away all of there second, third and fourth rounders. The players they might want to move have large trade-restricted contracts and the players most teams would want are, as aforementioned, desperately going to be needed once the SHESTERKIN contract is signed...THAT is why whatever that stupid story about "Drury listening to all offers" from FREIDMAN and the fucktastic dotard were so stupid...because even a fucktastic dotard could...or SHOULD...understand that the Rangers are between a rock and a hard place. Their only moves are lateral until they find a team that is utterly desperate. And by utterly? I mean UTTERLY.

JFC/Hospo/RF/et al: Jones seems to now be tall enough to get on the rides at 6 Flags and I'm warming up to keeping him as the 3rd pair LHSD and as an option for PP2. IF we can acquire a LHS Schneider/Mancini type for Lindgren we could keep Jones. There's no way I'd trade KAKKO, this guy looks like he's about to have an increase in productivity akin to Laffy's of last season. One place I think Kakko can improve is awareness of when a quick touch of the puck to a teammate as opposed to holding on to establish a longer term puck possession play. KaKKo was a score for us, 1st round #2 for reasons, it's still time to be patient with this guy. jmnsho naturally

“When asked about Igor Shesterkin’s recent seven-game stretch, when the star goaltender has gone 2-5 with a .903 save percentage, Rangers coach Peter Laviolette said, “I think we’re all in the same boat here, right?”…. Yes not enough defense in the offensive zone , right coach? You never mention that, why?

I'm Bullish on KAKKAO also...and do not want to trade him...and not for Pinto..The only spot where Pinto trumps Kakkao, to me, is he's a center..and i do see that...but I think KK is a better player, a better 2-way player, and built for success in the POs if given the chance.....AH, that's the qustion.. IS Laviolette bullish on Kakkao? and will Laviolette give him the ice time he deserves?..I think we will see in the next week...

mf - right now, Kakko is at his highest value he’s been at in quite a while. He’s gonna be UFA eligible in a couple years. Pinto has a higher PPG average than Kakko. I also forget to throw Zac Jones into the Traderator….I mentioned a couple of times here that I think the Rangers are high on Mancini and are showcasing Jones

JFC: Please, do not trade KaKKo! IMO PINTO is a great target for acquisition. RHS Center, age appropriate for the upcoming Core. Buff's Dylan Cozens as well, and wouldn't mind both if we go the re-tool path. What does OTT want in return? IF we trade TROUBA, we have MANCINI to fill his spot, risky, but worth the risk. IF we trade Lindgren & not Trouba, we probably have the RHS Mancini on the LHS which is Not terrible. IF we trade both Trouba & Lindgren, we need the consummate LHS D'man who checks all the boxes on our wish-list. Where do we start? SMITH for Pinto? Chytil for Pinto?

Re Peca possibly replacing Lardiolette: Isn't Peca the PP coach? If so, does he have carte blanche to use whatever personnel he chooses and if so, pass on him becoming the next head coach. He refuses to take Z off PP1! Unless, of course, Lardiolette is dictating who plays where...

JFC: From what I remember Troubas wife didn't need the US for work, just the residency program. Something about what her specialty is or something like that. There were like 2 or 3 spots in the US that also had NHL teams and basically none in Canada NHL team or not. At least with available slots. IF that is true, she may be able to land a job at a facility near an NHL city up north. I would imagine that she will (likely has already) be applying to places in many NHL cities, and then when she has a handful of offers Trouba will go to Drury and ask if he can reset his no trade list and add the cities that she has offers. Her residency ends this spring. By now she will know if she will be cleared to continue on with her career and will be starting to look for a full-time gig for the next stage of her career.

Can’t believe Im in NYC and it’s like the only week the Rangers aren’t playing all week in a month plus. So at least went to Mercer Labs. Gotta fly out tomorrow so missed out. Hopefully I’ll be back in February.

Elliott Friedman is reporting that Ottawa is a team that has shown much interest in making a deal with the Rangers…there are Rangers assets they are interested in. It seems to me that Shane Pinto should be available….he's only getting 3rd line minutes and his stats are way down. Let’s face it, the Rangers are gonna need to replace Chytil at some point…it just seems inevitable. Pinto can play wing for the Rangers and then step in at C if Chytil gets hurt. Drury absolutely needs to secure a Chytil insurance policy at C. I could foresee a multi-player deal being worked out with Kakko, Lindgren maybe Trouba but I doubt it because his wife needs a US residency.

All that said, I think the Rangers are gonna try for at least a few more games to dig out of the shit with what they have..Berard-SMith and Vesey-Laviolette's Pet being the only fluctuations

RF4L - I like that ZBAD to Dallas rumor!!! Don't buy it, but like it! Problem is, ZBAD doesn't play hockey the way they like to on Dallas or other teams vying for the Cup...On GOODIE. Loved him as a Ranger, especially as a leader and PO performer which the Rangers are so short on for both....That said, I don't think his absence plays into this funk...Now, how Drury dealt with him and Troubs ovr the summer and followed by his assinine letter a few weeks ago is another story

RF, the salaries of professional athletes have gone ballistic. NY Yankees free agent Juan Soto will command approximately $50MM per year on a 12-15 year term. This is today's marketplace regardless of our feelings and opinions about it.. zibanejad is a very good hockey player, so is Krieder, together at even strength, not good.

mf: If it means Z stays, then I disagree. And signing Igor to what he allegedly wants will be a HUGE mistake that'll handcuff this dumbass organization for the next 8 years.

RF: I posted that thought here yesterday. As for eating salary longer than this season and possibly next, a big fat NO! Take back some short term salary in the trade but NO longer term carrying of dead space salary, we've done that with buyouts, no need to go there with trade. That's money that could go toward Shesty. That's why we'd want to limit taking back salary to this season alone. Capish?

Here's a rather interesting rumour: Zbad to Dallas. Dallas is looking for a top 6 centre due to Tyler Seguin having to undergo hip surgery that's projected to keep him sidelined for 4 to 6 months. Seguin is pulling in $1,000,000 more than Zbad and therefore with him going on LTIR until likely the end of the regular season, Zbad's contract can easily be accommodated. One could argue that it's temporary because Seguin has 2 more years left on his deal after this but 1) this sort of surgery/injury could be career ending and 2) Jamie Benn who is making $9,500,000 is an UFA this summer. Of course it would mean Zbad has to waive his NMC but going to Dallas isn't exactly a move to Winnipeg or going to a shitbox team like Barfalo or Ottawa. What would come back would depend to a certain extent how willing Drury is to eat some salary. Retaining something like $2,000,000 would up the return. Another rumour has Dallas looking at Nazim Kadri who makes $1,500,000 less than Zbad but is 3 years older. Likely all speculation but interesting to ponder nonetheless.

LIMBO: Go for it, let's try P/Z/ and "pick a wing." Leave no stone unturned :->)

MF - maybe advanced stats prove me wrong the few times they have been together, but I have said for a while now to put the prancy boys on a line together. PANARIN has shown he can create reg season offense, almost despite whoever is his C. ZBAD can still play patty cake with his buddy on the PK. Like I said, maybe it was tried and it was a train wreck. But would the actual results be that much worse than we have now? At least it’s something different. TBH - I still say that 3/6 of our Dmen is the real issue. However, unless you swap a body out, you can only tinker there so much.

Andrei: FWIW, I agree. The Bromance twins needed to be separated. Had they been, I think we could have retained Goodrow and forgone trading for Smith, the dollar amounts were a wash. Personally I was holding out one last chance of hope that there was a Wing out there that would complete a Kreider/Zbad/?RW? line, but I sold myself on that train of thought, the answer as several here proclaimed was to break them up onto different lines and that still seems to be the answer. IF that is the current intention, and if we're keeping Cuylle/Chytil/KaKKo together, this poses an issue, I don't see Panarin & Z'Bad on the same line at ES.

Guys, I'm not gonna pat DRURY on the back at all, but c'mon with this GOODROW business. He HAD to go. There wasn't a choice about it. There's a slight chance they could've limped by with him...Swap out CARRICK's $1 million with a Hartford player and you save $200K. Swap out SMITTY Jr.'s $3.75 million for a Hartford player and you now have $3.1 million...Keep in mind, this is putting BERARD in the top nine and maybe keeping REMPE. And you're still $400K shy of GOODY's money...so that means either no seventh defenseman or no 13th forward. For argument's sake, let's say that means ditching RUHWEDEL...You roll into this season with this: KAKKO-Z-KREIDER, LAF-TROCHECK-PANARIN, BERARD-CHYTIL-CUYLLE, EDSTROM-GOODROW-REMPE/BRODZINSKI...and THAT would give you just about $350K in cap space...Now...THAT said...I would've much rather had this lineup than to lose a second rounder, have a more-or-less useless SMITTY Jr. and CARRICK, who is passable on a good day...And that sort of sitch would've opened a spot for OTHMANN too, though he would've cost the Rangers another $100K in cap...Guess you could also swap GROULX and REMPE...Either way, you're going into the season with one extra player on the roster, almost no cap space and basically four rookies...five if you want to consider JONES...I would've been fine doing that...BUT...then you get to the off-season. And SHESTERKIN'S contract. And then you're dead in the water, because then not only do you need HIS cap space, but also TROUBA's...and then teams KNOW they have you over a barrel. San Jose did us a favor for no cost, probably BECAUSE they wanted someone like GOODY with CELEBRINI. Would they do that in June 2025? Hmm...I kinda doubt that...so...GOODROW? Great soldier. Shitty contract. He was a deadman walking as soon as the last second ticked off the 2023-24 season.

I get the Goodrow nostalgia, but team is operating in the cap world and Rangers, needed to clear cap room to brig in a winger to play with Bromance, and since Goodrow never found a place on that line, and was used on the 4th line by Lavi, that $ cap hit is hard to ignore. So since no winger on the roster could play with those two, a new face had to be brought in. If anyone to blame for this, it's those two lover-boys, and the stubborn coach. Don't see how Drury factors in as a blame here.

Vancouver's Kiefer SHERWOOD: RHS RW $1.5mill this season & next: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/sherwki01.html --- https://puckpedia.com/team/vancouver-canucks

Yup agree on Goodrow. I get the cap hit situation and I bet it was just move one that would have continued with Trouba and maybe more. But what I don’t understand is IF the goal is to win the cup then how do you get rid of one of your best PO performers then have mo plan to replace him? This team needs a few more guys like Goodrow, not less. This team as built tight now will go no farther than we have seen in the past three years. Moves have to be made. ‘There is Always next year’ is so Mets- Jets- and Rangers.

Oh and if Drury is making moves Dimitri Voronkov would be an excellent return. And then get me some speed.

I think Goodrow is missed. He is a big presence, big voice in the locker room and on the ice he is nails. Right now he is back in San Jose and he is bringing what he does to that team. Hes receiving top line minutes with Celebrini. And while he should never be a top line player on a good team he is one of the leaders of that team. Im not gonna argue the salary because yeah it was a big number. But that aside Im not sure how aware people are about the kind of impact Goodrow was making in so many areas of the team culture. I think he is a big presence and he is missed.

Reading what punchrolfe wrote reminded me of what has occurred to me for some time, namely there is nothing in it for the players to play responsibly early in the season. It actually is in their best long term earnings to play a loose game, early in the season and avoid injury. Better for them that the team lose 7-6 than win 2-1. 6 goals divied up are better for their stats than 2 goals and the stats will influence their contract. Older players with guaranteed contracts (BTW millionaires) have only pride to play for, except in the final year of the contract. Only the younger players should play hard to get their stats and hence long term millionaire contract. Now players don't like losing and are not necessarily smart. However, when Drury makes move after move proving that it is just a business, the Ranger players can't help noticing. The handling of Trouba and Goodrow over the summer were terrible. Now he doubles down announcing Kreider and Trouba are being offered around as proof no one is safe. So the one guy with toughness, Trouba is not going to light guys up (hey they might be his new teammates next year) and is even more of an example for everyone to take it easy. The other side of the coin, Drury would prefer that the Rangers who are getting most of the Cap, play more minutes and get the stats and not younger players who he will be negotiating on long term contracts in the future. Lav has probably been told to play the vets "they give you the best chance to win". This is a dark view of Drury but I think he deserves it. Good news here is that as we get closer to halfway through the season, I hope the desire to win will come through and the Rangers will turn it around. These are good players and in the end, we have one big advantage. We have Igor and the rest of them don't.

Drury did nothing in the off-season and all the teams around us got better. We have not been able to beat any of the three teams above us in the standings and we are no better than we were last year when we played Florida. This is on the GM.

TD. Yes something changed and a funk set Ina funk led by guys like Z and Trouba. The coach's response? Punish the young players. And that just pours gasoline on the fire. My point? Guys like Z and T are contributing big time to this mess. And expecting Lardiolette to alter his roster management tactics is akin to hoping we no snow this winter.

So lots of chatter a month ago about Laf making the Canadian roster. Of course he didn't. He's been horrid lately. Wake up boy. You wanna be one of the near future leadership team then get out of your funk. You have too much skill.

TDCHI - Yeah, I think a few of us have said that before so, yeah, we do know...When things go to shit like this for, i guess, internal reasons or multiple reasons, almost all of them look worse then before..But, I can't lie, ZBAD stuck out like two sore thumbs with his play as did Miller.....And Fox and Troubs were shells of their healthy selfs...and many others.But like many of us haves said, including you and me, let's see if they can get back on track with sensible and steady lines/combos iffff they get the proper handling and ice time management...we'll see Friday agaisnt your buddies!!

I feel Goodrow is missed and Drury fucked up with him and trouba.. Drury needs to go

Tdchi, miller, fox , trouchek and especially panarin and Igor made the team. And Schneider. The PP and goaltending they couldn't score at 5 on 5 . They aren't that good. But they fought back all the time. Unsure what happened.

It's easy to blame players like MILLER and TROUBA and ZIBANEJAD and LINDGREN and KREIDER and...well...you get the point...but truth is, once you start getting the list of players that we're blaming now, guess what folks? Your looking blaming the smoke and not the fire causing it. MILLER didn't just 'forget' to play defense. ZIBANEJAD didn't just turn 31 and fall off the proverbial cliff...these aren't players that have sustained career-altering injuries...and quite frankly, they don't seem like a hard-partying lot from what I can tell...certainly if they are, they're exceedingly discrete about it, since none of them have entered the NHLPA's treatment program...for anything, much less drugs or booze or...well anything...so guess what?! Maybe...and I'm just spit balling here...MAYBE the problem AIN'T the players. No one was really complaining about any of these guys last year...save for the one poster who has a personal vendetta against Z...There wasn't a problem last season. They were a GOOD team last season. They accumulated a FRANCHISE RECORD of 114 points...So let me ask this: Who here is ready to tell me that the subtraction of GOODROW, WHEELER, ROSLOVIC, GUSTAFSSON and WENNBERG made it all come crashing down? There is, in fact, a VERY strong argument that the 2024-25 Rangers are a much BETTER team than the 2023-24 team...So logic dictates that something has changed. And whatever that change is, it's been across the whole fucking team, because let me tell you, friends: This team looked like a ghost of itself on Monday. All of them. Not just the top six. Not just MILLER. Not just Z. All of them...I run the equation over and over again, and I come up with the same goddamn answer: It's the coach. There's literally no other plausible explanation...and back to MILLER? If the Rangers trade him tomorrow, I would bet any sum that us fans would be INSTANTLY regretting it and to the extend that some of us looked back on the Mattias NORSTROM trade as a pivotal moment for the team...when they COULD have gone one direction, but went the other and paid the price dearly.

Zibanejad like Texas? https://www.nhl.com/news/tyler-seguin-injury-status-update-december-4-2024

MF - for sure, the only two players i have ever used the words "brain farts" for! :)..But, damn, I LOVED Kovalev!

Miller has a little "frustrating Kovalev" in his system. The guy is a very talented athlete with a touch of blond. Maddening!

PJ - Like with ZBAD most of the season, it's a mystery why MILLER has been soo bad...Yeah, the brain farts are one thing but, by the end of last year he was playing a complete and pretty physical game...I was looking forward to a step up this year..then he face plants with undisciplined and selfish play....I'm still loathe to trade him though becasue I think he has everything...You would think he's a guy that the coaches could/should help with his mental game

RF- ZBad and Fox were named over the summer. Kakko is the only new invite so far

True on Miller…First it was he has to cover for Trouba mistakes….Then it was him and Fox aren’t a good pair….Now him and Schneider are a lousy pair….One common thread here…Miller is an underachieving mess….

Amongst all the craziness, soap opera stuff and poor performances, it hasn't all sucked...it's been great to see the emergence of Cuylle and Zac Jones and steps up by Kakkao and Schneider, until he was paired with Miller!!1, and the brief glimpses of Mancini and Berard

TDCHI - I've said the same thing many times..They were the 2nd best team in the NHL last year and they played their asses off, never quit and were a total well-knit team...WHich makes this season, after minimal player changes, so crazy and is best pointed at player-coach, player-GM dynamics (from the off-season and his latest lettr), including how Laviolette has handled his roster and slumping players in particular this year.......I'm just hoping he has learned and they get it back together with the kid line and the Laffy-TRo-Panarina line and set D pairs..That happens, then you worry about improving...But it's a long road

Hospo - Yep. In other words, Joel QUENVILLE. But my gut says unless the wheels REALLY fall off...i.e. they look like they're not gonna make the playoffs...I don't see LAVIOLETTE getting yanked. But who knows? I can say, with little doubt right now, it's the only way I see this season turning around. Teams playing like the Rangers are playing don't just wake up. But I defy them to prove me wrong. Hey. Who knows? Maybe Old Boy LAV decides he can learn new tricks. Well...not really new tricks...commonsense coaching that all modern coaches are and having been using for over a decade now...but let's not mince words.

Hospo - A gentle reminder that there was nothing dysfunctional about the Rangers from the deadline out, save for maybe some not-so-savvy decisions by the coach come the playoffs. This team was firing and really did look like they might challenge for the Cup. Honestly? Had they beaten Florida? I think they would've won it.

TDCHI - My bet is ifff they can Laviolette, the coach they go for will be picked for a quick turnaround THIS SEASON...which means the old boys club...But that isn't a guy you want long term..so it's a bit of a pickle....form both the team's standpoint and the potential candidates......that leads me to think it might be PECA depending on his standing

re: post-hit scrums/showboating, etc., there's just an overall change in the NHL and hockey in general...the enforcer is gone. Done. Finished. Yeah, you have a few throwbacks like REAVES and OLIVIER and DESLAURIUS still knuckledragging around out there...but it ain't like it was 20 years ago, when EVERY team had an enforcer. Used to be someone lays a solid hit on your guy, the enforcer went out the next shift for payback. There was a take-a-name philosophy. And those guys had LONG memories. So your solid open-ice hit? That might go unpunished for a shift or two or even a whole period...but the time would come up quick...now? The players now are prancing pansies compared to what they were in the 1970s, 1980s, and even the 1990s...but they've watched the tapes and they're infused with this notion that every hit needs retribution...that throwing gloves and sticking up for your teammate after a clean hit is part of the game...even though it's one of the stupidest things I think I've seen in modern hockey...just pure farce...nevertheless, the guys playing today see it as an integral part of team identity and "establishing" the tone...there IS a time and a place for it, but with the frequency now? It's horseshit...NOW...the showboating? I FUCKING LOVE IT. The Michigan. The Zegras. The between the legs over-the-shoulder shots? One hand? No hands? ALL AWESOME. Shows how unbelievably skilled the sport has become since it moved away from the thuggery of yesteryear. Less cool with some of the lame-ass cellies...like that assclown KUZNETSOV used to do...but the skilled in-play moves? Just friggin' awesome. Many, watching guys like Quinn HUGHES and FOX...well...not this season...do spin-arounds to dodge checks and skirt away clean? Fuckin' A right...ALL THAT SAID...if I'm on the ice and someone does that shit? You better believe I'm taking their number. That, right there, is a gifted, gold-embossed license to knock the ever-living FUCK outta someone the next they set foot on the ice...and if I'm a coach? That's exactly what I'm telling my guys...don't worry about it now. Don't worry about it next shift. In fact, don't worry about it this period. Next period? First fucking shift, line that shit up and knock him into next week.

re: the coach's seat, I can say this with almost ZERO doubt: The Rangers will NOT hire a guy...or girl...without professional coaching experience. That means no MESSIER. Certainly no RUPP. I also strongly doubt they'll tap the NCAA pool either...so scratch off a couple of my other favorites...Denver's Dave CARLE and Providence's Nate LEAMAN...and my dark horse candidate...former Union Coach(and ex-Ranger) Rick BENNETT. They will grab a coach with, AT BARE MINIMUM, experience on an NHL bench. Preferably one with head coaching experience...The more and more I think about it...the guy who is so prime for the picking is Todd NELSON. What he's done in Hershey is amazing. That team is just nails. Another name to take a look at? Mitch LOVE. But there ain't any way the Caps are going to let that dude go without a fight.

A couple of things on Hughes: 1 someone (can’t remember who) suggested we drafted Kakko over Hughes? Couldn’t tell if that was a joke. There was never any question on who the Devils were taking, but it was definitely some media driven drama that Kakko was busy and more NHL ready. Obviously total conjecture to get clicks, lol. I got one am still loving Kakko’s game. Yeah he should shoot (on net more) but I have confide either him on the ice. On Hughes: of course I hate him because he’s a Devil and he shows us up. He’s a bit of a showboat, but he’s good and I think he’s a good kid. I knew his dad and played with his dad on Long Island during my high school and college years. I would have thought they were Islanders fans, but maybe they were Rangers.

SCREW HUGHES!! I'd rather hate him than any Ranger other then ZBAD! But there sure is a lot of hate for the Range players now---Troubs, Miller, Krider, Kakkao, ZBad......In dysfunctional teams liek the Rangers have been turned into, almost everybody looks worse then they are.....I hope the refocus this week and the new old lines works but afraid a loss to a hot Penguin team will be a last straw

The HUGHES story is rather fascinating, TBH, for anyone who hasn't read up on it. They're actually another example of how the hockey gentry caters to its progeny, and how kids who grow up in that environment pretty much have an open door to walk through into the college/juniors and ultimately professional ranks, where as the schlubs off the street really have to work twice as hard, pay twice as much and be absolutely flawless to get there...but I digress...Jim, their father, and his brother Marty grew up in Islander country: Hicksville, Long Island. Jim, older by about a decade, was a standout at Providence College and, talk about coincidences, was there when Lou LAMORIELLO was still in the mix, albeit after he left the coach's seat...Marty, as it happens, also played four years of D1 at BC...anywho, Jim ended up a coach with the Solar Bears in Orlando, which is where Quinn and Jack came along, and then bounced over to Manchester Monarchs in New Hampshire, where Luke came into the picture. The whole lot of them, though, grew up in the Toronto area, because Jim was director of player development for the Leafs...FWIW, Jack was a USNTDP product and was coming up around the time when the Hawks were king. He says Patrick KANE was his favorite player growing up...Anywho, I hate the Devils, can't stand 90 percent of their team...but Jack HUGHES? Just can't hate the dude. Truly maginificent hockey player. The closest he's come to being an asshat was that stupid 'people pay to see me play' comment...even that was...well...true. Nevertheless, the chances he ever straps on a Rangers jersey are slim and none. And slim beat feet outta town last week.

MF/PJ - PJ's memory is a little better!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rchnlZ-SOrw...Del Zotto and Dubinsky too

DD drury usually sits on his hands. I’m don’t know which fingers he’s using and whether he plays switch when sucking his thumb.

PJ: jog your memory, IIRC Anisimov motioned like he had a "bow & arrow" and glided on one skate and one knee as he pointed to the sky firing an arrow. :-)

VCP/E - This has been going on for a few years where not a single fan wants retribution for a clean hit...Somehow, in this new generation of players it became practice when it never was before..And a lot has been written on it and the NHL wants it gone also..I think in 2023-24, 1/3rd of all fights were in response to a clean hit..........And agree/have been saying the only way the Rangers can internally dig out of this is with lines the moron Laviolette has finally gone back to..For 3 weeks they have been playing like a team with no chemistry and in it's first few pre-season games with cockamamey line shuffles....All lines will not have that excuse any further

RF4L - I understand all that on ZBAD all too well..but he is the one contract DRURY has to really get out from if he can..The others are or will be much easier to do....Only reason i even mentioned it for VAN/MILLER is the major baggage on Miller also..And like I said, deals are really hard to do right now for the Rangers except bad ones

E: Spot on. The fact that a player has to fight after delivering a big, clean hit has been one of the most annoying developments in the league over the last few years. I would gladly support rule changes to address that specific issue. This weekend is the perfect opportunity to get this production back on track. There's been several days off to stew and practice heading into 3 games in four days against lousy/mediocre teams. There's no reason not to go on a three-game winning streak. Keep these forward lines and d-pairs intact. Could be the last best chance to right the ship.

Hospo: Why would the Canucks want fading Zbad, especially with that ridiculous contract. If he was to go to Vancouver the Rangers would either have to eat half his contract (making the Miller contract untenable) or sweeten the deal ala Z and Miller for Miller. You know any team talking to the Rangers about Z are fully aware of his slippage that started a year ago and has gotten progressively worse over time. Yes, perhaps a change of scenery would snap him out of it, but what if this is reality (re Z is actually on the downside of his career)? That would be potentially job-ending move!

I remember years ago Anisomov scored vs Tampa Bay….He skated to the bench and lifted his stick like it was a rifle and pointed it at the TB goalie…In a second he was attacked by Lecavalier….Lesson taught and lesson learned…..We have nobody to play this role….Goodrow was the last one we had….They have screwed up Rempe so bad he doesn’t know whether to fight or shite his pants….

We need to build around mancini, miller , and Schneider. Fox hopefully is our only small D man. Playoffs get ugly. We need 2 D men, and then some forwards lolol

Goodrow is a bigger absence than folks realize.drury is an asssss.o know the CAP..trouba and Lindgren seem to slow but fox isn't fast either.mancini , Schneider and miller are the only guys besides tiny Jones

VT: without a doubt. 100% agree. I think as much as possible you let them play. And I’ll go another step. I hate the idea that someone thumps you and you have to fight. You got hit. Clean shot. Pick up your bucket and get back in the play. This idea that a single check gets you a fight is ridiculous. It makes skill players play softer. They don’t wanna lay someone out because they’ll get jumped and have to spend box time. If you hurt the guy, fine. But some of this retaliation garbage gotta go. And as for the Rangers? Something is wrong in that locker room and in my eyes the coach may ultimately pay and maybe that’s because Drury has eyes on coach Q. Who knows? But right now? It’s not like Laviolette is sleep walking thru this. If anything I’ve been aggravated with how much he’s been line tinkering. In my eyes I never would’ve broken up Trocheck unit and I think the Chytl line is the best line on the team on most nights. And finally Hamilton can go fux himself. But if the Rangers wanna shut the NJD up how about next time they give a good spirited effort? The loss to NJ was a culmination of everything that’s been going wrong coming out at once. I have no room for the other nonsense

RF4L - Honestly, I think the only trades the Rangers can make right now would be bad ones..say KAKKAO..MILLER (I know many disagree on the latter)...There can be some fringe deals but that's just noise..I know it sounds nuts but The JT Miller rumors still intrigue me, not that I am pushing for him and i don't know what is going on with him..but say ZBAD (if he gives permission) and LINDGREN (this is his last year as a Ranger) for Miller and ?

Why not just consult with these guys and "keep the coach" or direct the NYR Brass & Coaches, "TO THE WALL!" :->)

PJ - The Hamilton crap and I think Noesen did it also were 10 times worse the anything Hughes did..That said, Hughes is the one you need to take out..And the Rangers can play physical at times but other then Trouba (maybe Carrick), they rarely get mad, dirty or look for pay back..Team Choir Boy as epitomized by the assistant captains

E: I agree--let the prancers do their magic. But, on the flip side, I don't want to hear any complaints when a d-man sends one into the third row when the prancer is too focused on showing off and not aware of who is around him.

Vally was referring to the Hughes breakaway and the move Hughes made that Vally says is to embarrass the goalie…Ok in shootout but not during game…I didn’t understand it either but he was really pissed about it….That said both he and Maloney called out the Rangers for not pushing back….Hamilton taunting the crowd etc….They are both right and it was as upsetting as the loss….Rangers lack of intensity and emotion is appalling….Oh and someone blast Hughes every chance they get….Can’t stand him…

Zegras is a punk but he does the most interesting things. He once went behind the net and picked up the puck and lobbed it over the top to I think Milano who banged it out of the air and in. The Sabre goalie literally had no idea where the puck came from and how it got in the net. One of the craziest deliberate ways of scoring I’ve ever seen. But my point is, Vally would think that too broke some weird code. Why? Because a player has some of the best hands I’ve ever seen and he tried all kinds of things. He even did the Michigan from behind his teammate using him to block the goalies eyes. The goalie never saw it and when he dropped to cover the post as one would expect Zegras had the puck resting on his blade. I think hockey needs to show greatness. And if Hughes tried to take Shesterkin off the puck with some move, maybe Igor should stop the puck and Vally shouldn’t sit there complaining that some magician with the puck was trying to turn a goalie inside out to get his team a goal. Sometimes I hate these hockey purist idiots who apply some weird honor code of things you aren’t allowed to do. I remember when Hertl went between the legs and all I could think was, damn… killer shot. Tortorella was responding to questions of showboating. I had a better idea. Maybe Marty Biron should’ve stopped the puck.

Hire another bad coach so Drury gets canned. Then sather comes back lololol I can't help myself lolol..Mets owner are you a rangers fan please buy us.

Peca played with a lot of gumption and courage. Would he coach the same way (re expect his players to play similarly)? I've no idea but he did garner some great accolades as a head coach in the amateur ranks although he's never been a head coach in a professional league. Definitely worth considering IMO - at least he wouldn't be the same old same old retread (on paper anyways).

I take peca also he played at this level for years .... How do you listen to someone who hasnt ..shortlived but GG played long career must be this bunch it's pretty obvious.

E - so true on HUGHES. Granted I don’t really follow the kid that much, but 2-3 interviews I have seen he has been nothing but class. Especially towards NYR. Pretty obvious he was a NYR fan and wanted to be here. Add the dagger that our picked next 2OA is a middling scoring, non physical guy with good possession numbers. Whoop de damn doo. Just a perfect storm of awfulness.

I'm for Mike Peca as interim coach. He knows the team, has paid his dues and would not be a retread. He also might take the job. Given the turnover in the job and the direction of the team, a lot of guys with longer resumes might pass on it. If he turns it around remove the interim. If not him and Drury are gone after the season.

TD: Brunette intrigues me. I worry that Sullivan would be too old school. Moot however, because neither are available. I've got zero comments on the other names you toss out other than to agree that going the college coach route is probably tainted for Drury given the DQ disaster.

So it's all silent on the Ranger front. Wonder what's going on internally. Too bad Dreary Drury has zero sense of PR.

Too bad the Nyr didn’t take advantage of the lb story about Dustin brown . It probably cost them the cup and handed it to another clueless gm that wanted to trade him. Proving that management is not seeing the value by trying to cya instead.

E - DOn't know what play you re talking baout but while Zegras has hnds nd skill, in the past he's been a mouthy punk to teammates and opponents when skating away..ANother spoiled USNDP (and Westchester County) twat that will hopefully have his bell rung big time....The Rangers should get him and Sonny Millano

The problem is lardy can’t define better. He has not once mentioned that the problem is their play in their own end defensively. He keeps looking for speed and offense. He will die on that hill with his assistant Julius Caesar housley. For them to be that oblivious tells me that they are the wrong people for the job. ….. -and now he’s going to give lip service to his roster while his boss is shopping them with his ball less approval…..https://nypost.com/2024/12/03/sports/peter-laviolette-digs-in-on-confidence-with-this-rangers-roster/ ….. is knoblach on a long term contract or can the mini genius steal him back?

And someone shut that embarrassing Vally up. I hate these guys who run around talking about some weird code about goal scoring. Score as you can. Zegras might have the sickest hands in the NHL. He can score a ton of ways and all of them are savage. Is he embarrassing anybody? He superbly gifted and hes using it to win. The idea that guys need to play a certain way and to attempt to do something flashy is anathema to the spirit of the game? Vally STFU. I guess when Shesterkin stylistically loves to make huge displays over routine glove stops. I guess he should never you know, try to score because thats showing off and insulting to the spirit of the game and goalies shouldn’t showboat.

Just watched a replay of the amazing tribute from the Calgary Flames for Johhny Gaudreau. They played the Blue Jackets tonight. Talk about a ninja cutting them onions.....Heart breaking........Just shows you how much of the hockey universe is one big family......Even the league i play here in Raleigh NC for the past 12 years......Tight........Now....Some one should send a memo to Wildcard.....hehe

RF4L - Well, my first choice went to St. Louis and my second choice is still in Nashville...but to throw a few names out that I know are around...I heard good things about Dallas EAKINS at one point. I know he didn't do much in Anaheim, but he also got dealt a pretty shitty hand there...I would take Todd NELSON into very strong consideration. The dude has been mopping up the AHL for several years now...Rando thought? Ulf SAMUELSSON. He's got a couple of cup rings as a player, and went to the finals WITH the Rangers...only thing is, he's never been a head coach...just an associate...But I was thinking the Jets sort of struck it lucky by promoting Scotty ARNIEL at the right time and he was on the bench with Ulfy during his tenure in New York...Wildcard choice? Tuomo RUUTU. He's been part of the Florida organization since leaving the Rangers as assistant of player development four or five years ago...And you know what? I would be interested to see what Phil HOUSELY would do with the team if LAVIOLETTE left...But I would say BRUNETTE is my first choice, NELSON my second. A very close second too. There are a bunch of college coaches I'd be all over...Dave CARLE. Nate LEAMON...but Dave QUINN wrecked that ship good...Who do I THINK would get hired? Joel QUENVILLE. I would bet a fair amount, actually.

Drew I am in the office next week. But really flexible with time this week since I am home???

VCP I’m actually in Pacific Time Zone this week for work. If you zoom next week I’m sure I could join for a vent or 2.

Rf4l wow I would think they would have steel cups but hockey players are known for not wearing the best equipment. I recall leetch using really old skates and shanahan barely wearing shoulder pads.

And we think being a Ranger fan is painful. Poor Mats Zuke had a testicle ruptured taking a slapshot from his own teammate a few days ago.

New York Rangers insider should be shut down for its sensationalistic and incorrect headlines. They are good awful.

Boston wins after a blatant take down in the O zone. No call really bad non call it's everywhere the officiating continues to be horrible.

Barfalo blows a 4 0 lead and losses 5 4 to the Aves. At home. Surely they are a willing and viable trade partner for Drury???

We should email boomer eisiason to email dolan.....he might tell him where to go and forbid him from MSG or maybe listen for 2 seconds .would boomer do it????

Mark messier needs to somehow be involved....and Dave Maloney..JD became a GM from the broadcast both .....so why not .. Maloney is insightful and truthful.has tremendous knowledge . messier needs no explanation.

Obiebenkenonie is our only help. Dolan isn't selling.....rangers keep losing.....lavy gets fired....hires letem rape players quenville players don't respond..... Finally Drury is fired.....replaced by SATHER.... I lololololol. Let's us pray

TD. Thoughts on who Lardiolette's replacement should be? Agreed the less complicated option for Drury is canning his coach but that's the easy part. Maybe he'll bring back GG!!

The 'Rangers are open for business' was a stupid publicity stunt by DRURY to jar his team into playing harder. It failed, because rightfully so, it was a stupid publicity stunt. Sure, I bet you could find homes for every one of the Rangers' core. Contrary to popular belief here and elsewhere, these are VERY good players. All of them. They have, however, contracts and clauses therein that would end up returning pennies on the dollar for DRURY...and he's got no one capable to replace them...And on top of it all? The problem here isn't motivation. Again. If LAVIOLETTE gets his walking papers...and if the PP1 players continue to falter the way they have this month through December...he WILL get fired...y'all will see an immediate improvement in the team...Keep in mind this same fucking thing just happened in Boston, and they had a far better coach than LAV. But when you lose the room, you lose your ability to coach...and that has happened here. It's so painfully evident. There is but one choice here, and that is to fire LAVIOLETTE.

Does anyone have tix to the Kraken or Chicago game Sunday/Monday??? Don’t really feel like getting raped by Stubhub to watch this shitshow, but she doesn’t know any better and has never been to MSG. We’re doing a Christmas NYC trip this upcoming wkd/next week. I’ll take other recommendations besides the obvious spots too. Hang in there wall!

Rangers beware! T. Harry is heating up and Pitt up 2-1 on FL as I speak. I think Drury is the culprit here. I never thought too highly of him and a lot of the pundits are starting to agree. He’s riding the coattails of Gorton’s team that he built (and our stupid owner should never have let him go b/c of his little T. Wilson hissy fit). I mean what HS he contributed to THIS team?. Tro heck was a decent signing who hd a career year last year and G. Perrault MAY have star potential risk but other than that…really not much to speak of. Constantly reactive and never forward thinking. He also comes across as arrogant and seems like a weasel who will undermine in a heartbeat if it benefits him. No doubt he sold out Gorton/JD. He’s a Sather light as someone else mentioned with a better track record at the draft table so far. This could get ugly

TD. Never mind a 100 games - more like 700 fames. It's his MO and as I posted earlier today it's highly unlikely he's gonna suddenly move away from what he's relied on his entire NHL coaching career.

They better find a way to get bodies on the Hughes boys because they are pretty good hockey players.

E - It's good we can disagree!..Berrard and OTH do little for me and I think both will be injury plagued the way they try to play the game...But their hustle is a good to see.... then again all young players should be tenacious...And, personally, I have zero problem hating Hughes and his brothers..He's pretty good, for sure, but still does some punk ass things, wasn't all that fantastic last year and I'm not a fan of the silver spoon spoiled USNDP kids all that much..The only reason I watch the Hughes boys is to hope to see them get layed out..And the Rangers better find a player that doesn't mind doing it..

That’s my other issue. I can’t stand how likable Hughes is. How much respect those brothers have for the game. I can’t even make a villain out of him. Sometimes as a hockey fan I just watch him play and he makes sick moves with the puck. What am I supposed to do with that. For fiux sake kid do something dirty, be disrespectful about the Rangers or their fans. Don’t just sit there and glow about playing in MSG and how fun it is to play there and be in the rivalry. And nostalgically discuss Brian Leet h and Mark Messier about what great players they were. Talking about how cool it is to play against original-6 teams. Little assholes. Who needs guys who have such love for the game? We need hatred and bad blood, not smiles and joy.

HOSPO: Othmann is a good 190 nowadays. He’s not huge. But what I like is he is just relentless. He gets under the skin. He yaps incessantly. He’s a bit dirty. But as a team their foot speed is so slow. I was watching a Vegas game recently. They are just so fast. Not everybody of course but the speed at which they gain the zone, get triangles of puck support is intimidating. It’s suffocating as the other team. It’s like a bag skate for defenders. How many times last night did I have to watch Hughes fly into the defensive zone and make a skill play.

Did you say, "Coffee?" Black, no sugar, "Sugar" ;-) We need to get the email addresses of the NYR front office and direct them to this Wall... Hey, El Bee' "Brooksie," be a lad and get us the email addresses and confirm back to us. G-d knows you've come here to overcome any periotic "writer's cramp" for topics to cover. ;->) t/y

TD: I think most here are in agreement regarding the TOI & the special teams minutes, there's just some disagreement on what to do to get there. I tend to take a mechanical approach to things, hence, "the clock." But on the PP, I start with a 3:2 ratio of LHS/RHS. I have no issue with Panarin, Zbad, Kreider, Fox, and another LHS be it LAFF or other, as long as it's a LHS. PP2: Well, Trocheck, then 1 of Trouba or Schneider are both RHS, and KaKKo, Culle, Chytil or Laff (whichever 1 of them isn't on the 1st unit PP) and if JONES is in the lineup and QB-ing the 2nd UNIT PP, I imagine we need to have a RHSD to make the 3:2 LHS/RHS Ratio, because after Trocheck, we don't have another RHS Forward.

And to be clear: I don't WANT to 'can the coach.' I'd MUCH rather the coach we have fucking smell the coffee and start learning from his mistakes...but like I said below: This hasn't happened in 100-plus games, and the mistakes he was making to start his tenure with the Rangers continue to this day...only the hole is a lot deeper. So two moves here: Fire LAVIOLETTE or wait and hope those five pull their games together. No in between.

punchrolfe: As a poster that usually just lurks this is one of the better posts I have read on here that really makes sense and it’s not good news . I remember Tkachuk last year saying Florida realized very early they played way too many games the year before and it took them a while . Difference here is they obviously had the rugged horses and stability . Rangers are in trouble and it’s all on Drury .

mf - Again, this is one of the reasons I was never a fan of hiring GALLANT and now LAVIOLETTE. Ice time isn't rocket science. Don't need to have a stopwatch to tell when a guy is getting too much ice. But you DO need to manage ice, and it starts with pursing out special teams...You get in a situation where your special teams are essentially your first and second lines, plus your top pairing and guess what?! You're going to end up with six to eight guys that are topping out at 20 minutes or more per night. Why? Because you're always gonna get a PP. And you're always gonna get a kill. And if you don't spread out that ice and manage it better? You're gonna have a shit time of doing it at 5-on-5. LAVIOLETTE actually does roll four a lot. But it's special teams that kills him...and part of that is that he plays PP1 for 2 minutes and the other part is that he puts KRIEDER, Z and TROCHECK on the kill. He's thoroughly unwilling to have other guys take over some of those roles...especially ones that could EASILY be divested. Like there's ZERO reason to have your two top centers on PP1. Not when you have CHYTIL, LAF, KAKKO and CUYLLE on the bench. And why are these guys also on the kill? Someone was posting here about EDSTROM being fast as fuck...why not let him do the PK? CARRICK, I believe, is PK2. Why? The dude was brought in to play the kill. Put him there or find someone different...or..or..OR...move TROCHECK off second line and let the dude who REALLY fits there play that role: CHYTIL. I could go on and on about the options LAVIOLETTE doesn't try. There are literally thousands of permutations. His biggest problem is the team's biggest problem, which is that he put all his eggs in one basket...when TROCHECK, Z, KREIDER, PANARIN and FOX are as cold as they are...and all five are EXTREMELY cold...the team sinks...and because they're really all he rolls out there to do the heavy lifting, no one else knows how to step in and step up. There's no dearth of leadership. There's guys who don't know how to do what those five do when they're faltering. And because he's spent the better part of 100-plus games of catering to those five...throw SHESTERKIN and TROUBA in there too, if you'd like...he has ZERO clue how to dig himself out of the hole he's in without digging it deeper first. So THAT is why you need a new coach, because a new coach will, by his or even her own nature, do thing differently and it will have an immediate impact. Maybe LAVIOLETTE can too. Not totally ruling it out...but is the proverbial leopard that will need to change his spots. It ain't likely, and what we're more apt to see is more of the same...this desperate pleading with those some five, six or seven players to save his ass.

STEVIE - Yeah, but before Laviolette goes or there is a trade, those lines are the only option that has a chance of pulling this team up..IMWO

Hospo larded was using those lines in the third period last night but with brodinkie instead of feces. He’s moving in to Dairy Queen territory. He has to go. Dolan will cut drury if they don’t make the playoffs. Unless he’s nob two for life.

MF - This is not about the 82 game season right now, this is about saving the season and righting the ship before it sinks..Only roll 4 lines if they are all playing well that night, otherwise just play your best (on merit, not resume) the most..that includes ES and PP...Laviolette was not doing that...IF you right the ship, start playing like a team, then you worry about the rolling 4 lines and the rest of the season/POs and overcoming FLA..The lines used at practice today except for maybe subbing in for Smith and Vesey/Brodz give us the best shot if this team has not been fucked beyond repair by DRURY and Laviolette,,Next step is a new coach

TD: Yet this team is behaving in every way that you say that they are 'not.' I get (many of us get) that you want to can the coach, the thing is that with a few adjustments, this coach is as good as any other. I'll say it again, the Ranger Coaches need to define the TOI according to the clock (inanimate object) and stick to it! 16, 16, 16, 12 TOI adjusted up & down for special teams, but nobody skates less than 11-12 minutes regardless. Do this every game, across an 82 game schedule, = fresh-LEGS. Not you Stevie! :->)

I'm not gonna read FuckFace McDotard's stupid column. I've sworn that idiot off, and it sounds like his point is just as mindless and stupid as always...so now the GM is gonna do an inquest with players?! Am I getting that right?! Buy in or else?! Fuckin' a, this is the same stupid regressive thinking that keeps teams mired in shit for years on in. I could get it if there were a bunch of new faces...but there isn't. I could get it if these were young hot-shots doing their thing...but they're not...what REALLY needs to happen is the coach needs to fucking pull on his bigboy pants, stop feeling sorry for himself and fucking figure it out. The Rangers may not be a burner team in terms of speed, but they're no slower than they were at the close of last season, and five months does not take a guy's edge off to the point where there is no point...what is happening is a collection of little things that are no longer being done for one reason or another...pushback? Sure! But let's also start blocking shots maybe. Giving up oddman rushes? OK, maybe try a little harder to keep the puck in the zone by...say...maybe not doing these stupid fucking globetrotter passes?! Lack of response doesn't necessarily equal a lack of caring...it's a team totally bewildered as to why they're not winning...why their ace goalie is looking like an ECHLer...they can't see it and they have a coach who is either equally blind or too over his head to explain it to them...You get in a bind like this, you SIMPLIFY your game. Nothing the Rangers did yesterday was simplifying their game, with exception to taking more shots...even that was pointless, because half of them went wide and created odd man rushes. Hockey doesn't have to be complicated and strangely enough, it sounds like Ranger fans...especially the ones here...don't WANT a complicated game. That means do the little things. Play your position. Play man-on-man D. Cover your points. Skate hard and get off the ice. Get the puck deep. Don't stickcheck, play the body. All simple. All stuff these guys have been doing since they were toddlers. They need a coach to bring them back to that level. That's all.

Since there has been extensive discussion aboug all the reasons the team has broken down (Goody, Trouba, Shesty, Cheeto's fragility, Entitlement), here's a shot at a unified theory of relativity. This team is pissed off about having to play the regular season. They see their window closed down to a crack, see a GM who provided no help at the 2024 trading deadline, no help in the off-season, insulted the players with a text message that got leaked indicating that a tear-down was possible, and has done utterly nothing to put out the fire raging in the room (and if he had, that would have leaked, too). This team wanted the playoffs to start two weeks into the season. They didn't. They are no longer mentally prepared for the grind, and certainly not willing to burn themselves out in December chasing a dream that they will survive deep into the playoffs with a totally incompetent GM without obvious cap flexibility and lacking in creativity. It's no longer in them to fight through, not in their thirties. Lavafat's refusal to spell the core with the youngsters (hampered by how brittle they are) is the one thing that could change. Otherwise, stick a fork in them.

mf - Elder statesman? What?! Dude, he was a guy one year away from retirement. I'm sure he was well-liked enough, but seriously man. This isn't a bunch of children playing in a sandbox, nor is it a junior team filled with pre- and pubescent teens looking for direction. It's a fucking NHL team with a core that largely went to the conference final twice in three years. Any leadership WHEELER brought was cursory at best. Supportive, I suppose. But again...the team was playing just fine in pre-season and through the first 10 or so games. WHEELER has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

Now...if I were LAVIOLETTE, this would be MY approach. First? I'd bring up BO GROULX and make a third line with him at its center. Second: PP1 would be disbanded and the players on it would be told that's it. Never again. No going back, you fucked it for yourselves. Move TROCHECK to center PP2, and Z to center PP1. MOVE PANARIN to Z's point. Bring in LAFRENIERE and KAKKO as the new wings. Put KAKKO as the bumper and LAFRENIERE as the netfront. PP2 starts with TROCHECK in the middle, get JONES and TROUBA on the points, KREIDER as the net-front, and CHYTIL in the bumper. And then be militaristic about splitting time with these units. No more than 60 seconds for either...On second unit? I'd have everyone feed TROUBA and use his very underutilized clapper from the point. That shot used to BURY teams on the man-advantage back in college...but I digress...next change? No more Z/KREIDER on the PK. Flat out. Done. Over with. First unit would be VESEY and GROULX. Second unit? CUYLLE and BERARD or KAKKO...I'd give CARRICK a nice pat on the butt for playing admirably for the first 10 games and let him gather dust. SMITTY Jr? Same thing, only I'd trade his ass. He hasn't been bad, he's just not what they need...I would PLANT Kaapo KAKKO on the line with Z and KREIDER. Like not moving, fuckers. You either play with him, or we're trading you both. Next, I'd move CHYTIL with LAF and PANARIN. Third line would be EDSTROM-TROCHECK-CUYLLE. And fourth would be VESEY-GROULX-BERARD. And I would RELIGEOUSLY roll four, so that by the end of the game the 5-on-5 TOI is almost equal within 5-10 seconds...on D? I'd pretty much leave the pairings alone...but I'd give them a mandate to be much more aggressive on the offensive blueline...it's been something that has lacked thus far this year...The Rangers scored 42 regular season goals from the blueline last year...That's a goal every other game. Right now? they have SIX. For the math-challenged out there, that's a goal every FOUR games. Again, the reason for that is partially...or mostly...because they simply aren't jumping into the play from the blueline as often or effectively. Those 42 goals weren't a result of clappers...17 of them were from FOX swooping in and taking a rip...Anyway, these are things the coach could do NOW to improve things...but we get more of the same...just idle tinkering.

TDCHI - Yeah I saw REMPE the other night in his nonsensical 1 game recall but I also saw how he and the team played and reacted to the crowd when he was in the lineup in the regular season....I'm looking for anything to bring this team and crowd to life..Little gnat twats like OTHMAN and Berrard are no answer.... To each their own

mf - WHEELS was a nice story, but dude. He was not part of this core. At all. He was a warm body. Players liked him, and that is all. GOODROW? He was part of the core, and I think there is an argument...not a very good one...but an argument to suggest his departure has caused some of this stink...The problem is something that has happened...or a collection of somethings...that has lead to this point. And sadly, I think the only way to move beyond it is to sack the guy at the top. I don't think this is all on LAVIOLETTE, but he sure as shit hasn't done anything to make it better.

I won't deny that the Rangers could use some edge to their lineup...it's part of why I thought SMITTY Jr. was such a stupid acquisition...but REMPE? C'mon people. Did anyone watch what happened in his last game? Or what the outcome of that game was? Yeah, he added 'edge' alright. He was jawing and doing the stare down. Then he laid a hit, got two minutes and the Rangers got their ass kicked by a subpar team...REMPE is NOT the answer...He's not even PART of the answer...a dude like OTHMANN might...he'd be a hell of a call-up right now, but he's probably a month or more away from that sort of conditioning...You try to make a trade for someone like that...get a player in here who has that edge...but there just aren't any of those guys on the market right now who would slot into the top six. It's all the same grinders that fall into the bottom six...which LAVIOLETTE uses sparingly...Again...this is the SAME team, sans GOODROW and GUSTAFSSON, that made the conference final and play authoritatively all season long. They are in a fog right now because for whatever reason, they're either not listening to LAVIOLETTE, or he's telling them to do things they don't want to do. Maybe both. They didn't look like this to start the season, which leads me to believe whatever is aflicting them is something recent...a new development...a new rift, if you will. But man, the Devils made them look silly last night, and they're not even that good of a team.

Just jogged the Ol noggin, last season we also had Wheeler who was out the same time KaKKo was out and they rehabbed together at times. My point is, Wheeler probably added to the leadership of the team. This year sans Goodrow, Wheeler & whoever else, we do not have stron leadership. We are relatively young, and with this years infusion of youngsters Mancini, Jones, Edstrom, Rempe, when they're in the lineup, we're younger. I don't think it's wise to strip Trouba of the "C", maybe add an "A" to another player....

RF4L - You're making a good point, re: LAF and CHYTIL, but you're not catching onto WHY they were out there for so little...First, I'll say that LAFRENIERE has been a ghost ever since he got locked in...he's played an a-physical game and has basically been floating...but THAT is not why his ice got shortened...it was because PP1 was played into the ground, and they were out there for basically half the game. THAT unit ate away at everyone else's TOI. Now there MAY have been some intent there...Not ruling it out...but I suspect there wasn't and that low TOI was a reflection of those guys essentially/effectively being benched for 10 minutes out of 60 for the PP...oh, and neither is on the PK either, so that's another 10 minutes killed...give or take, since there were also cancelling penalties in that game...long and the short is that LAVIOLETTE lives and dies on PP1, an with them totally fucked right now, he's dying. And he doesn't have the balls, wherewithal or both to tell PP1 to stand down...so guys like CHYTIL and LAF suffer...though in the latter's case, it's probably deserved.

Lines at practice.....Panarin-Trocheck-Lafrenière Kreider-Zibanejad-Smith Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko Edström-Carrick-Vesey...About damn time Big Country

Hospo: The line juggling is IMO because Lardiolette doesn't know what else to do given that his long standing coaching MO is not to punish the veteran leadership regardless of how well/poorly those individuals are playing. This is a long standing tactic of coaches like this dude. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If it's the latter eventually he gets booted out the door. I honestly suspect Drury is working the phones but surely he's very cognization of getting fleeced and fleeced worse than his previous trades. If true, pulling off any trade of significance now will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to achieve. Therefore, he just may have to resort to something I'll bet he's loath to do: Fire Lardiolette. Tough spot to be in but he put himself there...

OH, and I don't normally visit any other Ranger chat sites, but I went to Hockey Futures and, damn, the millions of trades they are coming up with make MF look like a novice....The Rumors this week will be crazy...Good job Drury/laviolette in turning this team into a soap opera laughing stock...That's Entertainment!

I went to the game last night, thankfully for free except for the parking. I can’t remember one big hit by the Nyr. They were credited with 25 hits. What a guy like Rempe brought to the lineup was emotion which usually gets the juices flowing and guys getting more involved mentally and sometimes physically. If he can’t do that now, well then Houston we have a problem. Which will expose the coach a little bit more than the players. I watched the coaches somewhat and they looked like passengers on a train in their own world trying to avoid eye contact with any other passengers. That’s not inspiring and leading your team , which is a big part of the job.

And now everybody everywhere all at once is talking about this Theory of Entitlement....Did these guys play entitled hockey as recently as last JUNE? Nope, not a single player, not a single game....I'll agree it looks like they are right now but I think it looks like soemthing else...They aren't a team anymore..there is no chemistry, no life, no comraderie it seems....The $64000 question is why........but i might add that last year Panarian-Tro-Laffy were about the best ES line in the NHL..and ealry this season Cuylle-Chytl-Kakkao were the best in the game....yet we get new cockamamey lines every freaking night

OH and you know what I would do..I'd call REMPE back up! I know, several Wallsters just had siezures..but..even if all the other players are better than him..and even if he gets 3-5 mins a night..The Rangers players and Ranger fans had life when he was (with Edstrom too) up...they need life desperately...they need triage....Yeah, clutching at straws, but that's what time it is

E- yep, spot on..what I have been saying in numerous mini posts Something rotten in NY for sure..Internal amongst players? Anger/disillusionment with Drury pooch screwers on Goodie, Troubs and this recent letter? Not listening to Laviolette because of his roster handling or soemthing else?...or hey, maybe Big COuntry just isn't putting the work in anymore...Have zero clue....All i know is they have gone from a never say die, 100% effrot , well knit team of last year to what we saw in the 3rd period disgrace of last night..And the only change on the roster ar Carrick for Goodie (a Drury fuck up) and Smith tor those other worthless Drury aquisitions...It doesn't compute......And Drury doens't need to speak to the players individually, he has eyes and 5 coaches that can tell the mind set...And there has to be a rat somewhere in the locker room

Last year, this team was a solid top-10 defensive unit—not legendary Red Wings-level, but respectable. Now? They’re playing defense like it’s an abstract concept they heard about once at summer camp. It’s atrocious. This is the worst Rangers defense I’ve seen since the early 2000s. No sticks in lanes, constant chasing, sloppy breakouts, and teams are walking through the middle of the ice like it’s a public park. And the Devils? Forget it. They’re one of the fastest teams in the league, and their counterattack is brutal. The second they win the puck back on the half-boards, it’s like they hit turbo. If you don’t force them to the outside, they’ll bury you in a thousand ways. The Rangers look completely unprepared for that speed. Tactically, Laviolette has them in a 1-3-1, which should be tough to break through. It’s not flashy, but it works when it’s done right. And with Igor Shesterkin as solid as he is in net, this team should still be good, even if they’re not perfect. So what’s the issue? They’re not listening. They’re not executing the system. Laviolette’s no pushover. He’s a hard-nosed coach who doesn’t take any nonsense, so how did we get here? I think there are two problems. he stars are ice cold. Zibanejad looks lost. He’s overpassing, avoiding risks, and now his defense is slipping too. Panarin, for all his skill, slows the game down too much. Fox is constantly stopping the play. Outside of Chytil’s line, there’s no speed, no urgency, no spark.The roster mix is off. They’re still slow and lacking grit. Berard, a rookie, and Jones an undersized defender who has a solid little guy complex and balls looks like the only ones playing with energy and purpose. That’s not a good sign. And here’s the part that really bothers me: when Panarin got surrounded and no one came to his defense, that told me everything I needed to know. You don’t let that happen to your star player. Ever. That’s a character issue. There’s something wrong in the locker room—whether it’s leadership, willingness, or just the wrong mix of guys. At the end of the day, this team has done a lot of winning over the past three years, but they’ve failed to refresh the roster or improve it ultimately. They’re older, slower, and still missing that sandpaper edge. Until they figure that out, it’s going to be a long season.

Split up the Bromance and or try to trade them, and I don't care if it's to division rivals. ZBad wants to stay in the area? Dial up the Islanders, they want to rebuild & we need more than a facelift. Same with Kreider.

Reilly Smith: Current Cap Hit $3,750,000 & in the last year of his contract: We should look to eat the max amount of that contract in an attempt to get the maximum return ie: player & or draft pick.

Next: We need a LHS Defenseman in the mold of "Schneider/Mancini/Mikkola" and to ship Lindgren out.

I had checked the local teams as a trade destination for Trouba so that he could remain relatively close to his family, and on the surface, PHI looked like the best of the bunch. I hate eating salary, but if we had to eat 1-2 mill for the remainder of this season and next, at least it's much shorter term than a buyout. The consolation prize is MANCINI, who is a RHS on an entry level contract/cap hit.

Dave Maloney summed it up best during the Montreal game when a group of Flyers surrounded Panarin and nobody on the Rangers did shit about it: "There is something rotten in Denmark." Dave seems to think it is a players issue. I think I'm leaning that way too. When the same defensive breakdowns, that even a pee wee coach can identify and address, happen again and again for weeks now, that says to me that the players are not, for whatever reason, executing on the coach's strategy. That said, Lavy is not without blame here: the ice time allocations, line juggling and ridiculous deference to PP1 all fall on him. Unfortunately, I think we have a multi-faceted breakdown playing out. We are rapidly heading to a repeat of 92-93.

Would be amusing to see Drury fire Lardiolette and go behind the bench himself. Seeing his dour sour dreary face every game would at least be an entertaining distraction from the crap on ice he's assembled!

Chytil (11:47) and Alexis Lafrenière (12:34) got about as much ice time as the fourth line. I realize Laf hasn't been very effective lately, but other than perhaps Cuylle and maybe KK, which forward has? So typical bench management from Lardiolette - take your frustrations out not on the veteran leadership core, but the younger players. No wonder this team keeps floundering. I cannot wait until this shitty-ass coach is fired.

i would like to publicly thank fubo/sling for having the exclusive rights for last night;s game so i couldnt see it :)

mf - TOTALLY disagree. What you get when you let players run the team is what you're seeing right now. You get guys who are all over the place, playing no structure, and doing none of the little things that make a team successful. That's the thing: When you're on the ice, you may recognize a few things here and there...but you're not catching it all. THAT is what coaches are for. You tell players, 'hey, why the fuck didn't you block that shot?' 'Why did you let up on the corner?' 'Why did you take yourself out of position for that hit?' You point these things out and it helps players focus. That's to start, and it's also ignoring the MOST CRITICAL role of a coach, which is to decide who goes on and when they come off. Who goes into the lineup, and who goes out and why. I read on this wall folks saying they've never seen a team collapse this fast...Well...that is EXACTLY what happens when players are tuning out their coach, or the coach is just a hot mess. You get good players playing bad. You have an elite goaltender looking like an ECHLer. The most damning bit of everything here is that LAVIOLETTE'S only move...ONLY...is to juggle the lines. I'll give him a tiny bit of credit that he got them to shoot more. But shit. A GREAT example of how poor coaching is getting poor results was the powerless powerplay yesterday. He was leaving PP1 out there for the FULL FUCKING 2 MINUTES. This stupid fuck is doubling down on the very decisions that got him into this mess, and playing guys who have no business being out there for 15 minutes, much less 20, much less 23 or 24...If you're a good coach, you fucking sit the players who are ineffective until they can play your system. If you're a good coach, you can make a bad team better and a good team great. LAVIOLETTE had his moments with the team but he's showing his true colors right now, and doing the same EXACT things that directed the Capitals square into the ground. THAT team made some really savvy moves last off season...but the savviest may have been cutting LAV loose two seasons before, because right now? He IS the problem.

JFC: Yep! As I just inferred yet another coach who is afraid of responding when the leadership core falters. It happened under AV, it happened under DQ and it happened under GG. It's happening again under Lardiolette except this time most of that core at over 30 and not as effective even at their best anymore and all are armed with fat long term contract cushions. Unless some sort of miracle occurs and the Ranger ship somehow manages to right itself, very tough decisions will have to be made that will result in at least temporarily even more noise and stress.

In that clip, Lardiolette looks like he's about to cry. Pretty clear to me he's got no idea what to do and given how he's handled this mess so far, unwilling/afraid/whatever-the-fuck-it-is to target the fading leadership core. It's simply not in his coaching bag of tricks I guess and when you consider how long he's coached and for how many teams, I guess I can understand why (not that I agree with it). This is the risk Drury took hiring him - his lengthy resume more than suggested this would occur and occur relatively earlier in his tenure albeit not quite this quickly. In other words, this too, is on Drury.

Just read the LB article….it basically a rehash of many things that have been written on The Wall about this core. The word, “entitled” has been tossed around here MULTIPLE times by myself and several others. Entitled is what players become when they play like shit but keep getting run out there time after time after time. Gallant used to mumble inside of a game, but then go back to his normal lines immediately. Laviolette has now broken up the lines constantly and that’s not working either. But, no where else has there been a sense of entitlement as there has been on PP1…through 3 different coaches. It’s not only that Laviolette and his predecessors didn’t break up the unit…even when it was in extended funks…it’s about the PP1 players REFUSAL to GET THE FUCK OFF THE GOD DAMNED ICE when they’ve been on for 60:seconds and the puck gets cleared down to their end. Lav has done a bit better trying to get PP2 more time but that sense of entitlement for PP1 players is alive and well and showed itself quite clearly last night….wo much so that Sam & Joe commented on it at one point. But again going back to Trouba, no matter how the mess came about, he should not have been with this team this season…Drury should have pulled the bandaid off. That’s on HIM…he allowed a virus of discontent to get into the locker room. Doesn’t matter if these players act like spoiled brats instead of pros, it was disruptive and shouldn’t have happened.

Kis: No. A NMC means not only can he not be traded, he can't be waived either. The only option as I understand it, is to pressbox him and if he responds negatively, suspending him might be possible. This seems overly drastic and therefore, highly unlikely to occur. With Trouba, he could be traded to any of the teams not his list and if he refuses to report then he can be suspended without pay. Again, quite drastic. This obviously is a very messy situation Drury finds himself in and for certain, is at least partially to blame (remember, he didn't give Trouba that contract but he did give the NMC to Zbad). To me the simplest option is firing the coach but who's out there who'll be able to deal with the fading leadership core? If he wants to keep his job, Drury had better do something and do it soon...

Can Drury put Bad on Waivers? If he would, what happens? No maybe he can't go to Hartford but let him just sit at home. Something has to be done this organization is a mess

I assume DD drury has already made his decision with input from lardy . Dolan should send out a memo to the 31 gms asking who do you recommend for gm and coach for the Nyr. The drury impression is a guy in a vest that should have extra long wrap around sleeves. He should go home and enjoy the holiday season by getting a part in a high school play.

A deer in a headlight…. Lard ass is lost….better better….https://youtu.be/vYX1EwKGVjM?si=5Xm5ep54lr_gOQQT

RF4L - have et seen the LB article yet, but that is kinda what I was getting at when I wondered if Drury has a player in the locker room who he can trust to tell him what the deal is…is the locker room splintered into separate “camps”, are they be happy with the “systems”, is Laviolette SCREAMING too much (poor little kids!)? I guess what LB is talking about is similar to EXIT INTERVIEWSat year end….and it’s not a bad idea but he needs to do it like YESTERDAY and not do it like he’s a robot.

Somi asked last night what could Laviolette possibly have done to lose the locker room a mere 1/4 into his second season, after having been so successful the year before. And of course, none of us truly knows what’s in the players’ heads. The only thing I can think of being Laviolette’s fault is if the defensive system is antiquated or ineffective and the league has caught on. To me, this feels,like a team-wide mental funk, possibly brought on by the way Trouba was treated over the summer (don’t know whose fault that is, Drury or Trouba) and by the way Goodrow was treated. Both of those situations are psychologically devastating, especially to young players who have their happy, happy, joy, joy bubble burst and suddenly see this NHLlevel for what it is…a cold, hard business. Drury has the look of a guy on the autism spectrum….and I’m not kidding. He seems to have little emotion and acts like a robot. Then, when Chytil got hurt (I’m thinking if it wasn’t a concussion, it was barely short of being one) that was also a big downer for the team. Sorry, but the talent level on this team is too high to be playing like this, regardless of the coach or the systems. I think the fact that Trouba is a lame-duck has effected his approach and therefore the locker room. Before Laviolette gets fired, I think Drury has to trade at least Trouba & name a new Captain. Problem is, I don’t think Kreider is Captain material and neither are Zib, Panarin, Fox. But, if Drury just DUMPS Trouba onto waivers, that will not go over well…it look vengeful or as if Drury is blaming everything on Trouba. Another question is, does Drury have a player in the locker room who is not going to be traded and who Drury uses to gauge what’s going on in the locker room? If so, is that player trust-worthy enough to act as a “spy” so to speak and not let on to the other players? Many of us have said over the years that this core, especially Zibanejad, is soft as baby poop and isn’t capable,of,playing the kind of hockey it takes to win a Cup. And honestly I’m sick of the coaching carousel with the common denominator being the players, just like I’m sick of the Bromance Bros. being the common denominator in the god damned RW search! I mean, Gallant lasted into his 3rd season but I could clearly see where he was lacking a coherent system (SKATE HARDER isn’t a system!) and was applying unequal treatment to his players. This is 1/4 into a 2nd season! It’s doesn’t make sense that it’s the staff unless they are teaching them in the wrong way. Drury has to do something quickly but not make it look like desperation. Miller is a guy who may be in danger because he has high value but is simply not performing well. This team needs a new Captain, Trouba must go…but I don’t see any Captains on this team. Lafrenière has Captain written all over him but he’s too young. And forgive my meandering brain droppings, but think about how Fox has manipulated his own career to get here and what that might say about his “leadership” abilities. Looks like maybe his #1 priority is Adam Fox. WTF is wrong with Fox? The juking at the point to get space, his sharp moves have been replaced with shit…he’s a shell of himself, as is Miller.

The Kreider/Rangers Tampering Fine Story could just be made up nonsense but if at all true it comes directly from Buttman getting into bed with Vegas and national sports betting, like the infected whore he is. There is nothing more detrimental to sports at large, than this betting shit. I am by far from some teetotaler but this crap has infected our society as bad as any drug epidemic. Sorry.

LB with another good article on the Ranger situation today. Basically he's saying Drury needs to meet with each player to determine who wants out and who doesn't. He's also criticizing the core for leading the disappointment. He's bang on.

The site reporting that story about Kreider is just a typical trash site that just regurgitates what is originally posted elsewhere. The NHL is not going to fine a player for talking about a physical issue with his body. If they do, especially Tom someone with Kreider’s intelligence, they’ll get sued and they’ll lose. ,

Mf guess the league wants players to lie about their physical health and condition. Let the buyer beware and find out if they can. Like selling a used car with a bad transmission and hiding that fact.

Mf guess the Nyr decided not to hang him in his jacket with his cigar from the rafters

https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/chris-kreider-to-receive-massive-fine-from-the-league-following-latest-announcement

In my 50’s I have hated a lot of teams and players over the decades but get over it . I watched Jack Hughes post game interview . If he wins a cup I think that would get me to stop watching sports .

Andrei - Panarina was GREAT last yeaar..IGOR was great last year They were the second best team in the NHL but not built to beat the Panthers....forget about individual players for a minute....something is very rotten between the players or between the coach and players or between the GM and the players or all three for it to get so bad so fast...either the coach or a vet in the middle of everything has to go first (because DRURY is safe unfortunately

June 26, 2024 Sather announced his retirement!?! I must have been asleep & others here too. He's nowhere to be found on the Rangers front office page (https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/front-office) --- https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/glen-sather-announces-retirement

Man, I am glad I stepped away a bit for the holiday weekend and seems like the team thought they were on holiday too. A bunch of mercenaries playing for themselves looks like 2003. I was skeptical about this group going into the season. I said how they always seem to have bad seasons when expected to be good. So par for the course as far as I am concerned. The Drury stupidity with Trouba and Goodrow really mess up the chemistry that much? It left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth, fans, media, player alike. They even fooled us a bit with the strong start. At least in the win loss record, because they did not play a good team game at all and just out scored everyone for the fist.. what 6 games or so? Just so disappointing to see these players not give a shit and show no effort, but not really unexpected. As a Rangers fan I always expect the worst, but hope for the best. Really sad way to be a fan, but there it is. This must be like what Jets fans feel by game 3 of every NHL season. Ouch

rf4l, it's not the hate. I don't hate players. Never did. Nor do I feel attachment to any players either. I want to win another cup in my lifetime. Don't care what players will be on the Rangers. I'm rooting for the team. I don;t care if Kreider is a homegrown, or that Shesti is homegrown. As soon as i see a player that stops giving his 100%, i want that player gone. Facts are facts, jst line numbers will be numbers. Kreider with three 5v5 points is tied with Edström for the the worst on the entire team. Even JBro has 4 points. I'm not hating on guy, I'm simply stating the numbers and they show that ZShit's game has gone off the cliff, especially offensively, just like Kreider has lost a major step offensively as well. PP numbers are great, but they mean very little in the long run, when the game is lost or won even strength, especially in the playoffs.

More Lardiolette post-game insight and analysis: ""We gotta win hockey games. We're a good hockey team. Right now, we're not playing very good hockey. We need to be better and those are things that are in our control. Those answers are in the room. Those are the answers that we need to figure out as a group" - Peter

Hospo, what ever man. Say what you want about Panerin, but last year he had MVP season with 49 goals and 120 points. In the normal season, that's a clear MVP winner. Shisti had a slow start, but was fantastic from around November and rest of the way last season. Quick was great. Great goaltending hide a lot of problems. If you can't even agree that without Panerin, Shesti and Quick rangers were a borderline 500 team last year, I don't know what to tell you.

Damn, I missed the game but OUCH! Just reading the stats tells me all I need to know... The way I see it, the NYRs lineup is a classic case of the sum is less than the parts... The highest paid vets are essentially relying on one trick (Panarin= curl and cross iced pass; ZBAD off-wing one timer, Kreider off-wing tip in, Fox shot-pass, Trouba blue line standing up) and these vets are not willing to pay the price, get their hands dirty and fight for the puck, possession, or space. The young players are picking up on these bad habits (Lafrenierre has gotten so lazy on defense, he is nearly as bad as Panarin now)... Drury needs to shake this mess and get some more intense passionate players in the lineup that are leaders and vets before Cuyulle, Schneider and others are ruined...

Andrei. Your hatred of Z and K and adoration of P and Igor is quite interesting. Not to mention oxymoronic!

The rangers have player, coaches and GM deficiencies. A new philosophy needs to be implemented as the Rangers run of the last 3 years are over. If I owned the team I would fire Drury and look to retool from top to bottom.presently we are miles away from a cup in skill, motivation and philosophy

andrei - Bull shit, enough with the God worship of Panarina and Igor..This was not a great team last year but it busted it's ass every freaking night, never quit and came back too many times to remember and played for each other...even when Drury gave them no help at the deadline...something is rotting from above and/or in the locker room..mutiny or fractured locker room, I don't know

Is there anyone in that locker room pissed off enough at this point? Anyone who can speak into a mic and simply say "We're playing like s#'t and it starts with me." Players should be a helluva lot more pissed about this debacle.

Hospo...agree on Fox ......how in the hell did he go from the Norris to this ????? and please don't say the fav saying here in Ranger land " he must be injured "...LOL :)

sjw. IMO it looked like they were waiting for the coach to be canned 3 games ago. Drury has to act before Dolans does.

Most of ll i'm pissed tht dumbass whiffing Kreider scored a goal to ruin a shutout for my fantasy team goalie..

JFC31, sure, very simple. Last year, Rangers won on Panerin's MVP season, great goaltending and smoking PP, again due to Panerin and also on a very good season from Fox. They were average defensively, but great goaltending, and timely scoring covers a lot of holes. LaviShit kept on rolling same lines, regardless if they produced or not, but they had one hot line. Same plan is not working this season and LaviShit has no clue how to fix it. You can't fix what is broken. There is no defensive system. Neither Gallant or LaviShit, or even Dr Strange ever installed the defensive system. You can win with one run & gun line, but you can't win when three lines are tryign to play run&gun hockey. LaviShit never bothered to put together a checking line. ZShit game has gone off the cliff. Kreider's game even strength is gone and both are part of the sedo "checking line" and that line is now a giant blackhole offensively and most of the time they spend their shift defending. Penarin has cooled off, and with that, Trouchek and Lafr struggle offensively. Fox never fully recovered from the injury in the spring and it is now impacting his speed and what he can do on the ice. Defensive pairs make no sense. So yes, it's all on coaching. Add the terrible bench management and how certain players play major minutes, while kids are staple on the bench and you have a terrible mix of everything that is wrong with this addition of the NYR..

But what about the same contracts last year for a team that never, never quit..and it turns into this???? Not buyinjg it

Usually I would not bother watching the third.. but decided to see if there was any life... and there wasn't .. that is a team that has given up, quit or just waiting for the other shoe to drop ...you can see/feel the tension through the screen ... it is easier to get rid of the coach that players in this cap era.. 2 many fat contracts that cannot be moved if something doe snot change and quick the season will slip away .. and as an older fan I can disengage a lot EZ 'er than when I was younger ...baseball season is coming .. right ..??

Mf...you are spot on about the players and their contracts.....it's in all 4 major sports.

JFC/MF/PJ - I am sorry, there are far too many players playing like shit, playing with no intensisty, playing with zero intellignence, zero discipline for there not to be something else going on for a team that was so togehter and bonded last yer and with minimal changes....I don't know the answer, just can't think is we have like 8 individaul players with theor own reqason for playing like shit forcing this malaise...Is it a spiteful Fuck You at Drury for his incomoetence and shitty tretment? Is it the IGOR situation? Was it Laviolettes complete mind boggling ice time management for preferred players that caused issues? I don't knwo but that DISGRACE in the 3rd period shows it can't go unddressed any longer

PJ and MF right on. We don't know what's going on in the room but there's no intensity or quite honestly anything!? Even Sam and Joe gave up on them and stopped with the hometown RaRa narrative. Not for nothing we have 4 days until the next game, that's plenty if time for changes and I hope there are alot

Cape/MC. That dude tends not to post when the Rangers are sucking like this. A minor positive in this very negative situation!!

PJ: If someone had to be shown the door, I'd prefer it was Drury, followed by old man Sather.

Somebody finally hit a Devil this period...And it was nother Devil..Way to show fire ZBAD!

Trouba right now is an addition by subtraction. If you can't move him in a trade, I would just waive him at this point. We would be better off with MANCINI in the lineup over Trouba. Something has to change.

None of us are close enough to know what is going on with this team…I don’t believe I have seen this quick of a fall…Game after game playing horribly in our end…

Calling for the coach's head is such bullshit. These Primadonna's signed contracts to play to a professional level, and they don't!

Did you see the Devil player just crush JOnes up 5-1??? nd thes spineless floaters just want to go home with a loss aand no pound of flesh??

MC …. Same here , haven’t posted here since the semifinals last spring because I came on and gave my opinion . He called me every name he could think of in his little brain . I liked coming here to converse with people , and we all have opinions , which is how it should be. But I would rather not post if that’s the kind of fans are here

There is a 4 days till the next game. Perfect time to fire LaviShit and get a few practices with the new coach. If not, season is done, back up the truck. Clear garbage, breakup the core, get the best offer for Shesti and get players that will play defensive system. At least two players from the old core needs to go. Will see what is the plan.

This is a coaching problem? Ok…let’s got with that. Explain to me like I’m a 5-year old how did Laviolette lose the team in the 1st quarter of the very next season after making such great progress & winning a President's Trophy? It makes no sense. Maybe Season 3 they get tired of the “battle drills”, yelling or whatever but the very next season, this early on? Seriously, in that time frame, what has Laviolette done to create these results? Give me what we think Laviolette & his staff have or haven’t done to get these players playing like their heads are up their asses…

Andrei - or maybe that great floating Panaarina??? I fdon't care who, there's 12 of them

RDW: it depends....if you dump Lavy but keep the expensive vets, you set yourself up again to almost have to get a has-been retread again....ugh! If they want to go the route of a young up and comer, you have to make up your mind to build the team around a player like Lafreniere. JMHWO

Despite some good stretches, it's the 24th game of the season and I still can't look at these defensive pairings and say, that's our #1 pairing or even that's a really good pairing. That should be addressed by a GM.

Hospo, who are you asking to get upset? Great leader Kreider? Trouba? ZShit, Fox, Panerin? Again, this team has no leadership to speak off.

Have not posted for ages because I could not stand that no-nothing Wild. Where is the no-it-all? Would really love to get his take on how fucking great everything Ranger is!

PJ - AT forward there's CUYLLE and, um, CUYLE that hiy with any intensity or consistency..that's it

One of the softest and disinterested Ranger teams I have seen….And I am old…

They have quit on LaviShit and LaviShit has quit on them. When you continue rolling lines that produce nothing offensively 5v5 month after month, reward playing time to players that constantly float, when you continue pushing pet projects and refuse address team weaknesses, sooner or later, players start resenting and it will create divide in the locker-room.

No anger from the crowd, either. Figures, Ranger home games ticket prices have packed the place with bougie fans. Back in the day, we would have hurled garbage at the Rangers bench for this lind of performance. The booing would have started at 3-0 and never stopped.

On the bright side, JONES hasn't been bad..OTOH, I love SCHNEIDER, but he is another kid faltering

PJ was just gonan say the same... no nastiness..no intensity..Devils look liek rhe team trying to come back.....Did you see HUghes with the wrap around having no fear of being hit??

It's becoming increasingly more difficult to watch with kreiders angry scowl, zmope's lost sad puppy dog face, no response or intensity, no hitting, low intensity. It's time to blow it up, this team is broken. It's hard to say where it starts and ends because we're not in that loop but it's awful to watch

Lavoolette's second year is eerily resembling GG's second year. Can't have another year like that. Shake this team up bug right now.

And when you change lines every fucking game, how can you be playing well??? As 95% of us hve said, the problems start at the top with Drury (ot going anywhere), Laviolette (horrible) and then the vets

Not totally Igor’s fault but time to trade him. We are the Sabres with Hasek. Time to move on.

Laffy is not the first kid to sign his first big deal and then struggle after. He'll break out of it.

Rhet0ric, you are right, they are not playing badly, they are playing terrible. Once again, Vali is right. Rangers right now, are the worst defending team in league.

Hospo. Agreed. Fans getting on Laf like he gas any influence on the dynamics with the entrenched veteran highly paid leadership cord continuously empowered by the vet loving coach.

Cuylle had him lined up once and bairely missed destrouying him..That's the only thing i want to see this period...BUt a few goals would be nice too!

Hospo…He actually said when he played Colton Orr would have went after them….Hates the no response….He is really bugged at Hughes for being disrespectful on the breakaway Igor stopped…Something about the move he made…

We're not playing badly, we just can't break thru. Oh yeah and We need to stay out of the GD penalty box!

Andrei - The only two Rangers worth anything are prancing Panarina and Big Head IGOR

Right now, I see the faces of ZBAD, Panarina, Fox and Kreider and i almst get sick.....This Ranger soap opera that Drury directed at he apathetic vets is also having a bad effect on the kids..

o'key. which goal is on Shesti tonight? is he the one giving up breakaways? Or it is him giving up 2 on 1? 100% agree with Vali. Rangers simply forgot how to properly defend. That's on coaching. Vali is quietly throwing LaviShit under the bus..

PJ... Igor has made some excellent saves, but I don't think he has his best stuff tonight.

Rhet…True and his move on his shorthanded breakaway was a good one….Markstrom made a very good save…

Gee, just imagine if we had a chance back in 2019 , to pick Hughes over Kakko ?..........oh wait !........... What a friggin' joke and a classic "elephant in the room" in Ranger world.

PJ - if smug douche Valliqutte is upset with the scumbag Devils taunting (Hamilton, Noesen, Hughes) and the Rangers aren't..something is really really wrong

Igor has not been good in this game…His fault they are losing? Hell no but not a good night for him at all…

What has Z done wrong tonight? His line is the only one that hasn't given up an even strength goal and he had the primary assist on the PP. He's also been buzzing around the net.

CNPRDA is correct..IGOR has been sub standard tonight and totally ouplayed by MARKSTROM

Not totally Igor’s fault but time to trade him. We are the Sabres with Hasek. Time to move on.

You can't give them a 5-on-3 and a 4-on-3 with their PP as hot as it is right now. You're just shooting yourself in the foot there.

Yes I’m calling out IGOR, your best players need to be your best players. He has been average. FOX, Z, LAF, no different.

Cnparda, really, we going to call out Shesti? Score should be 10-1 by now, if not for him. Comman, man. There is a lot things wrong with the Rangers. Goaltending is not one of them..

Bob, Maloney should be on TV over these two clowns. Both are so exited that Devils are scoring.

Lots of terrible here, Refs, players..etc too many pedestrians and IGOR needs to be the #2 goalie until he gets his shit together.

There has to be some kind of bomb dropped on Rangerstown this week. Either Laviolette or a high priced 30 something has to go or be scratched or something.

Two huge chances to chance this game short handed…Kreider whiffs, Zibanejad gets stoned

did Sam Rosen take Cyallis before the game? Fuckin guy has a boner every time the devils move the puck on the power play...

Rangers --jones, Chytl--physically beaten behind their own...As Strother Martin would say...bunch of.....wussies

Where's Laffy and that ghey ass mustache tonight? at the blue oyster dancing the Tango?

Once again, if the game plan was to switch the 13th forward so that you can play your pet project Jbro, who has being fucken awful, you get excepted results. Play ZShit and Jbro more, LaviShit, cause it is working.

Krieder whiffs..TRoubs blows the point blank shot...Must be the rumors! ...KK up next

I really don’t understand what Lav is thinking with his bench management…. Bench P and C for the last 5 min of 1st period? Play the 1st pp unit almost the whole time?

When u wiff on a breakaway while shorthanded and then take another penalty .. no chance ..

OK..game over ..Fox continues his shit ply with a stupid penalt6y..somebody now ruin the season for one of the hughes punks

RDW, it will be a while. ZShit no matter what.. All part of the LaviShit's plan..

Strong game from Edstrom so far IMO. I'm waiting.....WAITING for the day Lavy puts out the second unit to start the PP.

We have "Great hockey going tonight", according to Sam.. Just in case you were wondering..

ZShit with 07:25, on the road to the 22 minutes. Great! Keep him playing more, Lavi. He is so on the road to comeback to his old self. You can so see it. Fuck the rest of the team, fuck the game, fuck the score. Only goal is to get ZShit back on track!!!

Young Mercer looking good (pride of good old Newfie-land ) I coached his Dad way back when :) ......hey Step, I agree with you on who we should be watching.........much rather see a young exciting team rather than this crap ! This core is shot ,man.

Let me pile on, "these players need to close the locker room door and have a heart to heart about playing for each other, and for the fans." If they're not going to pull together in the same direction and play for each other there is nothing this coach or any other can do. IF in the remote chance players are playing to get a coach fired, those players need to be traded and out of here before any other club can get wind of it, cause they're a cancer in the locker room.

Nothing to do with the puck luck. If anything, Rangers are lucky, once again, to be down by two.

rf4l, totally expected it. Defensive problems don't fix themselves, terrible coaching won't fix itself. That's said, one thing is very obvious, watching Devils. Rangers are SLOW!! This is not the first team that runs circles around Rangers.

After horrible start Rangers settled down and actually had some decent time on offense….Agreed no puck luck…Miller hitting the post…

So the team got better but really could have used a goal there. Team needs to continue that N-S play they had at the end.

Trade Igor. Get a bunch of defenders and1c and go with Quick and Garand. They give him 12 million per we will be mediocre for a decade

Unreal!! Two clows on the TV are laughing over there own jokes, like this game is so much fun to watch and we should be laughing with them. Can't wait for this old Rangers core to go away as well as these two. Time to turn the page..

How many times have we seen what just happened.. wiff on the puck , player falling down or 2 Rangers running into each other...

Core has peaked. Tear it down. Rather watch Oth, Sykora, Rempe at least giving a F. Even if same result.

They must have tuned the coach out ... they are playin right into the Devils strength.. refuse to get pucks deep and forecheck .. it is the damn TO at the offensive blueline over and over and over again

TD- I hear you but pride has to take over at some point. Or they are just trying to get him fired. Tonight would be the night to do it I guess. Lose 6-0 to a rival and get booed off the ice….fans sure as hell better boo them off the ice at the end of the period if not before…

Every opponent is alone in the slot. What kind of system is this? How can they be so horrid defensively?

I would have MSG security pull that fat fuck out from behind the bench right now. Two goals on four shots? And really it should’ve been three, but Jack HUGHES got cocky. This team needs a new direction. Ain’t no trade that’s gonna change this.

This is beyond embarrassing. Abysmal. Friggin joke. No words. How can a team completely fall apart like this?

That was a bad goal. This might be that time of the year where Quick needs to play more games.

your lucky step on my toe.... all I hear on this broadcast is Sam and Joe blowing the devils like it's porn hub

Miller played the pass like he should….Igor didn’t play the shooter…Cheated for a pass…

If you pay for the nhl package shouldn't you be able to watch all the games? I fucking hate Buttman.

Rhet0ric -fully agree the Devils are overrated…but MAN. We almost got beat by the fucking Canadiens!

Oh surprise. Another stupid media story that gets walked back. They were playing like shit before that story broke and continued to play like shit after. If there was any truth to it, this framing…that suddenly the Rangers are walking it back out of concern to what it’s doing to the team…is total BS. I swear, sports journalism is a baby step away from the basement bloggers.

How many times is the nhl network goi g to show the rangers. Doesnt that network cover anybody else. Wtf

I don't think any of the fans care if we moved Trouba, but Kreider is very much loved by most of the fanbase,(and they can't agree on nothing) :)

Rhet…If that is the case Drury really is in way over his head…That has me even less confident in the guy…

Rangers need to stay out of the box….Devils PP hot…Surprised Vesey not in line up as he is good on PK and strong defensively….

If DRURY were smart (and the jury is still out on that one), he would hire someone with people skills to be his GM. He can still be involved with the drafting and whatnot, but just let someone else handle the day-to-day. I doubt that he comes to that decision on his own.

If case you missed it, this was per Sportsnet the other day.... The New York Rangers are hitting the brakes on trade talks involving captain Jacob Trouba and veteran forward Chris Kreider, following significant backlash and concerns about rushing into hasty decisions. Rumors about Trouba have circulated for months, but Kreider’s late inclusion in recent speculation shocked fans and the locker room. NHL insider Elliotte Friedman discussed the team’s approach while appearing on Sportsnet’s "Saturday Headlines" segment last weekend.... “The blowback [from the trade rumors] was so crazy, and the results this week so poor," Friedman said. "Until today, I think even New York wanted to tone down the heat and just pause before they jumped into anything really too intense or that they might later regret.

Re: Smith: remember, Pitt ate 25% of his Cap Hit, so his hit to us is $3,750,000. If we eat part of it in the right trade, so be it... The Yahoo Fantasy Stats has Smith rated at approximately 395 most productive and they rank Tolvanen at approximately 305. The lower the number the better is this comparison. So Tolvanen is all around better in their scoring model, plus he's more physical, plus he's 8 years younger, plus he has another season on his contract after this one, plus he's a FINN, and 2 FINNS are better than one! :-)

I know we aren't playing well, but the NJD are so overrated.... No offense to JBRO, he has been a great 13th forward, but I will take Vesey over him every day of the week. Hear that JBRO? That means that you need to score two tonight.

Oh and re: DRURY? TOTALLY agree he ain't going ANYWHERE. They'll go back into a rebuild before he gets canned...though at this point, there's more than enough reason to can him. He's been good at the draft, for sure...and I admire the fact that he clutches onto his first rounders like they're gold...but he's had some real stinker trades...and his signings...with very few exceptions...QUICK, VESEY and TROCHECK are about it... have been pretty terrible. And he's also the guy that has hired one dud coach and another who isn't looking much better...but he ain't leaving unless the wheels really come off.

I don't see the Rangers making any transformative trades at this point...I think they'll fire LAVIOLETTE first, and I have a feeling KAKKO's goal may have saved his job...nevertheless...Just reading up on the wall...a few things: SMITTY Jr...while he's the one guy I think the Rangers could pretty easily improve...I can't see ANYONE giving anything of value for him. He's not a bad player. The guy has speed, for sure. And he doesn't loaf. He's just not worth his salary. At all. The ONLY deal you're gonna get for his ass is if it's another aging veteran on an expiring contract. Maybe you could parlay him into a fourth or fifth rounder...KREIDER for NORRIS? Welp, NORRIS is a heck of a talent...but his salary? His injury history? NTM, I just don't see the Sens doing that...Someone mention LINDGREN of Ridly GREIG? Sure! Again, don't see the Sens doing something like that...Shane PINTO is the guy I see them trading...and I'm not sure what they'd want for him...and TBH, I'm not sure what I'd really give, seeing as though he's had a rough go of it.

Yeah, y'all know how much I dislike being the 'doom and gloom' guy...but the Devils are going to paste this team...Bad. Seeing 50-plus shots on SHESTERKIN. Score I'm thinking will be in the 6-1 range. Maybe worse. I hate, hate, HATE thinking this way about the fucking Devils, which is one of the most overrated teams in the NHL...but man, when your guys are struggling to get by the fucking Montreal Canadiens? That game, while I loved the finish, was one team trying to out-awful the other...the Devils ain't even that good, but man, they're better than the Flyers. I would advise everyone here taking a lot of whatever you normally take and putting up the chicken wire in front of your television.

CM - I don't know, Not making the POs or only 1 round is not good optics/economics this year ..following on the choke job 2 years ago agasint NJ..Then, even Dolan would know Drury does not know how to build a cup winner, right?..Glad BRODZ is playing, we need somebody for McDermid..:)

VCP- my point is that Dolan isn’t going to fire Drury unless he gives a mandate demanding a cup. I doubt he cares unless someone told him he’d make an astronomical amount more with a cup win. But only 1 team can win. Different opinions on what a cup winner takes.

Berard is hurt- day to day. Vesey and Brodz will be platooning as 12th forward. Not sure they can send Berard down if he’s hurt? But with Chytil and Kreider healthy can they keep Berard around?

Two more new lines in the top 3..no way this team is gonna find cohesiveness...Rangers gotta keep it tight..but also need to work their ass off a and draw a few PPs to win..

Found the moirning skate lines... ..BERRARD seems to be out..healthy or not, I don't know....Vesey also..not sure what is going on...Panarin - Chytil - Laf Cuylle - Trocheck - Kakko Kreider - Zib - Smith Edstrom - Carrick - Brodzinski

RF4L - WTF? and where does KAKKAO go after scoring the Game winner? CHYTL out?? Berrard hurt?

RDW - It's not what Drury can do now, especially after compounding the damage from the past two years with the most recent letter about Troubs and Kreider, and having to sell low and/or trading guys they shouldn't (Kreids, Kakkao, Miller) they basically have to ride the storm out and do the best they can with the personnel they have..if that doesn't work, say Good bye to Lavi..that fails ..deal..JMWO

RDW: Well I know what I want not to do: Flit away draft picks like they're meaningless. The latest? A 2nd and 5th for Reilly Smith. Ridiculous overpayment. Again. The Rangers are gonna reap the pain in the not too distant future for his incompetent carelessness. That's fine if they win the cup but from where I sit, that isn't happening anytime soon.

I've got my problems with Drury, but I've asked this before....What do you want him to do? Who do you think he can get in a trade? Or, at the very least, who could he dump for a late pick that would be addition by subtraction?

Fastest NHL skaters in the 1st quarter of the season! Top speed: #4 Trochek, #10 Edstrom, #19 Chytil. Most bursts over 20 MPH: #2 Edstrom, #18 Chytil. Most bursts over 22 MPH: #8 Edstrom. Surprised to see Trochek here and Edstrom? 6’ 7” and speed lkke this? Amazing!

Coloradomark I want a cup . Dolan wants to make money I obviously get it . You can do both but he won't. Fire Drury he is incompetent.

Coloradomark. DUH lololol like I don't know that. We still won't win with Dolan he doesn't care about a cup if we don't make the playoffs then he cares. I say shit the bed now and rebuild.

VCP- The cup is always the goal, but playoff success is a money maker. You might think winning a few rounds and falling short of a cup is a waste, but I doubt Dolan does. He makes money on attendance, concessions and merchandise. Panarin is well worth the investment whether he does well enough in the playoffs for you or not. People buy Bread jerseys. He’s fun to watch, fills seats and helps get regular season wins which leads to playoff gravy. No way Dolan doesn’t understand that! I know you think we can’t win with him, but he’s not going anywhere.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/02/us-news/long-island-teen-connor-kasin-dies-after-suffering-medical-episode-during-charity-hockey-game/

Well hospo it's a waste of times but Dolan only cares if they don't make the playoffs. Almost have to hope they shit the bed now and dump Drury . If you don't win the cup and win a few rounds does it matter???I guess to the leafs it does..also when panarin got his ass asked kicked with buchy that was another occasion..Dolan is really beyond bad but he spends that it.

I meant, Drury's screwups of the past off season (Troubs, Goodie) and this past weeks idiotic letter that identified specific players..

VCP - You may be right or wrong, doesn't matter, the team is not giving up on this season until the POs don't look like a possibility..and i'm glad about that....Next off season is another story!........EVETS - Totally agree on on DRURY, his moves and his incompetent handling of his players has been horrific the last two years..but..there is nobody to tell DOLAN that DRury is the problem,,DOLAN will only act if they miss the POs or get embarrassed further.....Laviolette is likely the one to go IFFFFF the team stays in a deep funk caused by Drury's fuckups of this summer and the past off season as well as Lavilette's handlings...although yesterday was a good step forwrd in tht regard for Big Country...

The thing that's clear to me is that Drury is the problem here. I didn't want to acknowledge it during his tenure. I always believed that, outside of the initial Buchnevich trade, that he's done well enough in trades at the deadline to bolster the core. However, in any organization, culture is established from the top. The culture right now is not good. I think everyone knew that Barclay Goodrow was going to be a cap casualty, but that situation was not handled well. The situation with Trouba over the summer was not handled well. Finally, this situation has been a mess and has clearly taken a toll on the team psyche. The best move the team can make is dismissing Drury and handing the reins over to Ryan Martin on an interim basis. If he can bring stability, then make it official. I just don't see there being any possible way at this stage of the season to make dramatic changes to the personnel.

Hospo they aren't winning with this core, the time is now to retoil not that my opinion means a dam thing lolol

VCP - Unlike you, I'm willing to give this team the chance to try and dig out of this mess..We will learn so much more about the players, especially the vets, and their mind set after another one of many DRURY fucck ups..They fail, then you deal

VCP -Yes, well duh, the Rangers have been bad lately..Yesterday was a little step forward with a lot to fix..But have you watched the Debs lately??? the defense leaks and their PK got destroyed by the Caps..Looking forward to the game

We also need to rebuild half our D it seems. I say we sell and deadline and retool.... Might as well start now !!!!keep cuylle (duh) kakko , laffy, miller, Schneider, fox, kreider, trouchek, edstrom, berard ( unsure) chytil ( can't trade) ,Igor trade him now !!!!! My 1 cents

ZBAD I would trade and unfortunately panarin who although is having another great regular season..if we want to move ahead he has to go..But I I am not Drury by the way is Drury fired yet?

VCP: are you suggesting keeping Z'bad & Kreider on the same line at Even Strength?

I keep kreider I don't trade him for his cap hit. 3rd liner no more first line same with ZBAD. PK, PP specialists

Hospo because the devils have gotten more physical and if we try to out skate then we will get burned..also our D has been pretty bad lately. We barely beat a crappy habs team.

PJ - Yep, make no mistkew, The Devils are a better nd more physical team this year..and they do like to freelance and their forwards hit more than in the past...But huge issues on the D still...It will be a good and needed test for the Rangers improved back checking and defensive coverage from yesterday..and for the vet core to answer the bell

Watched some of the Caps-Devils game….Devils will make you pay if you turn it over…Caps were successful crowding the net offensively….Devils not great defensively as Hospo indicated….However, we get into a track meet with them we will lose…..

Hopefully yesterday brings back ZBADs mojo and KAKKAO becomes even more confident!......Oh, did any of you guys see what the PANTHERS dod to the Hurricanes for two games straight? The Rangers have much bigger fish to fry right now but even if they get straightened out, the Rangers and the East are nowhere close to being ablee to climb the FLORIDA hump...First things first..

PJ - Never wanted SMITH and have no problem sitting him again but he indeed has been solid most of the year especially compared to some that were never sat...Still, you go with the same roster tomorrow

RF4L/VCP/HELLS - Why are you guys expecting tomorrow against the Devils to be ugly??? Have you seen the Devils the last few games and their total lack of defense and structure against Detroit and Washington?...I'm looing forward to the game and i'm expecting the Rangers to be a little more cohesive offesnively and hopefully keep the focus on defensive coverage and backchecking which was good ofr 45 mins...

PJ: I agree that Smith has fine, I've not trashed him, only suggested him as trade collateral. From my perspective it's obvious that we need a Center/Forward possibly filled by the 'same player,' we need to know who & what the 4th line is going to be, because as of now I've penciled in CARRICK flanked by 2 question marks. Then there's the Defense. Unknowns include how much this team can pull together, how much & where in the lineup any 'chemistry' develops, and, what options do we have in the event of injuries i.e. to, CHYTIL, Lindgren, Fox... Regardless of the moves to be made, we are in a situation of do we go for it all with the current group of players, "OR" other, and "what constitutes other?" "May the Force be with you!" ;-)

Rumours circulating today that a Kreider for Norris one for one trade has been discussed...

Smith has had some poor play recently but overall I believe he has been fine….He has better two way play than Z and Kreider….Not scoring but who is on that line at ES…Z with all his problems makes it very tough on his linemates…Smith getting a bad rap IMO…

FYI: Reilly SMITH is in his last year of a 3 years $15mm contract & PITT retained 25% of his Cap Hit in the trade to the NYR's. His Cap Hit to us is $3,750,000. TOLVANEN is in the 1st year of a 2 year deal which has a Cap Hit of $3,475,000 per season. A trade like this may be doable, it may not seem like a whole lot, but it is more in line with an "adjustment" without bringing in a wrecking ball." This does nothing for the fact that our situations at Center are not optimal. It does however shine the light back onto Kreider & Zibanejad's inability to utilize 50% of their respective linemates. "Bust up the Bromance!" (in other words, 'separate lines for these two')

With Jordan Eberle out for the next +/- 3 months, they may have an interest in SMITH

Hello Seattle, "Smith + ? for Tolvanen" - Wallsters, season to consummate. (In other words, address the details to get it done)

I expect a trouncing on Monday. It's really a bad matchup for a team that doesn't backcheck with a slow D. The Devils will skate circles around them. 40+SOGs again and a 6-1 score.

Lard ass profundity…”“Sometimes when you’re trying to get out of something, that first one that you get out of might not be the prettiest,” Laviolette said. “It wasn’t tonight. We have to draw on the positives of what we were able to do from the physicality at the start, the fact that we kicked it up, we came back and we won it. Specialty teams factored into it. I think you just pull all those things out of it and just continue to work your way out.”…. He pulled that out of his ass, a real bullshit artist….let me know when he even mentions the defensive game, and when he decides to address it with his crack coaching staff. Instead you get we Need more speed and be better at getting better. Mumbo jumbo from mumbles. Smile you’re on candid camera.

The Reilly Smith pressboxing was deserved IMO. Another waste of draft picks by dumbass Drury.

Nice to finally get a win but AFAIC they get stomped by NJ on Monday it'll be rendered meaningless. And if their sloppy play continues they just might get stomped.

Hospo I agree he hustles and has a decent shot but he isn't going to Pavel bure anyone or theo flurry anytime soon . He has good speed not rocket fast like dickaletti said.

And while i don't see the Buzzsawness and impct of Berrard as other do, I do love his hustle!!! but have always worried about the Todd Harvey school of a little man playing a the big mans game..Hope he can sty healthy....Oh and Thank God for Will CUYLLEE!!!

And not this week or this month, but the Rangers will defienitely need a big banger that can and likes to hurt down the road!!

well..well..well...just watched that barn burner..was probably quite the ride on the WALL..My take? A baby step to start the climb out of the shit....with both core vets (ZBAD, Panarina,Tro, Kreids with the screens) and young kids producing..Still, the ES offense was a challenge all game but that's to be expected when you have 3 totally new lines and, in the end, the PP had to bail them out.....That said .....for 40 minutes they looked prepared and ready...and I was more than happy with the intensity, physicality, attention to defense, soild backchecking ( no odd man breaks!!!) and positional play.........But then the 3rd period melt down!!!!...Can happen to teams that are fucked up in their psyche and afraid of makaing mistakes..To a man, they were blowing it..until the double minor....and Wild Will CUYLLE and KAKKAO saving the day....phew......need to focus on the good (not great) of the first two periods, get another practice in, let the same lines get more aquainted and beat the shit out of the scumbag Devils Monday night..

2 points but no delusions of their Achilles heel defensive game. And the coach and his assistants have done little to improve it. Instead the answer is more speed , get better at getting better. Even dickaletti called out laffy for hanging at the blue line covering no one and the habnots scored. They are a clusterfuck In their own end. And lard ass is happy to depend on his goalies to bail him out. Guess he calls that coaching. Not to forget that 5 on 5 they are not good so he depends on his pp and pk to save his fat head.

A win is a win. Trouba Anderson fight was payback by Anderson for Trouba giving Barron a concussion, 20 games ago. I wonder if any of the Rangers would have that long a memory, much less give a shit? A big part of Trouba's game is that he is a scumbag who hurts people (I believe cleanly). The Rangers need that. The thing that worries me is this year, we don't see the scumbag. I think he is just playing out the string waiting for the trade to his new team. The only bad thing for his future would be an injury. He can play hard next year on his new team and prove himself for his new contract. I think a similar thing is with lindgren, he should glide through this year and prove he can play injury free. Drury should have kept his cards close to his vest with these guys and the Goodrow treatment didn't help much.

Lavi can have impact here.. elevate the Chytil line and drop Zbad to third line mintues.. Zbad off the PP1 and on PP2.. Laffy elevated to PP 1.. keep the d pairs they played today .. Trouba/ Jones can get 3rd pair minutes but Trouba can still be on the PK

Amend my comment .. I think it was a big positive that it was Kakko scoring the winner from Cuylle... the kids need more ice, Lavi ignore it at the peril of losing your job ... but the lazy stick checkin and TO's in their own end are a complete puzzle.. no answer for such a decline in their own end over last year ..

Miller a minus 2 today…Drags down whomever he is paired with…But he was more physical today which is a positive…

Play like this on Monday and we lose 6-1. Our defense in our zone just throw it up to the point and hope for the best. Must stop

Are our D men that horrible or is it the system or is it both???? Schneider and Fox who else is any good ???

A small step but a step nonetheless….More engaged and Fox said they needed to keep their foot on the gas in third period and they didn’t….Getting the puck out and being in position is still a big problem…

Agree at 5 on 5 and D needs changes against a crap team. Is it better or worse that they won I wonder. Devils game OMG could be ugly. At least trouba was back with jones..I don't think Lindgren can handle the speed or trouba I hate to say it. Happy to see cuylle and kakko continue to be one of the best lines and chytil looked good. Who stays who goes I don't know . Besides Drury should still be fired.

Nothin positive other than the losing streak is over.. only the PP saved their ass today .. defensive play remains near the worst in the league.. 30 out of 32 teams..

"The torch has been passed to a new generation of Rangers, born in this century, tempered by war..." JFK

Chytil trying to doting himself for a break-I’m instead of just getting the puck out!

Montreal casters kinda chuckling at how bad the Rangers are in their own end .. blown coverage wide open players .. team is a mess in their own end

Montreal caster showing the stats of just how bad the Rangers are defensively in their own end and off the rush .. keep the puck in their end and guarantee multiple chances coming

Kinda shocked that Lavi did the right thing.. Smith out Berard in .. I'd be looking to move Smith if Berard keeps impressing.. we need that kids speed and energy

ZBAD can go kreider we need even for all his worts..or keep them as a third line .

Need a good third period…Rangers intensity so much better…Positional play in D zone still troublesome but much more engaged….

Why does it fella like it I might be a matter of time before Habs tie the game? ZShit had a chance to drive to the net, but instead choose to shoot a low % shot, then for only known reason to himself dump the puck for the icing that almost in a goal. This is not lack of confidence. A lot more physical game, but once again a terrible defensive showing.

Man first shift of teh 2nd.. fumble the puck away at our blueline Grade A scoring chance again .. and stop passing the puck back to the other teams D .. either in the corner flip out or ice the damn thing ..

GOOD PENALTY by Carrick. I will take that every day of the week. Laffy got hit way after he got rid of the puck.

sjw: when Kreider starts winning board battles, the team will win board battles. jmo-n

Maddening to watch the lack of adjustments.. case in point.. hard rims// our wingers are stationary and keep getting jumped by pinching d.. they are standing still instead of coming down a stride or 2 to meet the puck and curl off...we cannot win a board battle to save our lives.. it is comical to watch ...

I know Jacob Trouba is not on the ice for every goal against, but it sure feels like he's on the ice for every goal against.

I’d say good start, but this is literally against one of the worst teams in the NHL. They should be burying these guys.

Anatomy of a goal against.. weak board play, stick check , puck watch , slot wide open

The propaganda spin by these guys. Trouba has been sleepwalking before that fight.

Please stop the E/W shit at the offensive blueline.. get the pucks deep immediately .. unless they are backing off the line.. this is f'in simple stuff

TD: no I'm not kidding, AV overcompensated in the "abandoning of too much of the defensive conscious instilled in the club" for additional offense. He over-adjusted to the offensive side of the game. All he had to do is micro-tune the roster by improving the transition game onto offense when the situation allowed or was created. Torts and his loud-mouth wore out their welcome, and the players and the media eventually had enough. AV's demeanor was welcomed as a breath of fresh air, "but he didn't deliver!" He sucked vichyssoise!

Let's play some fucking defense...Legt's backcheck..No running all over for a big hit either...Lines seem a mess..oh well...Go Rangers!

mf- You're kidding, right? AV's teams weren't nearly as balanced as this one. He did a lot...he also had HANK...but man...he NEVER had the middle this team has right now. And as good as his D was, they weren't nearly as mobile as this one. AV took Torts' fucked system, give it some offensive bite and made the conference finals back-to-back, with a trip to the cup finals. He was the best coach this team has had probably since they won the cup.

ColoradoMark - It's beyond that. These guys are literally playing like it's their first time. Either it's a conscious quit, or they're that tightly wound collectively, that they can't get out of this spiral. Like, if we go back to the beginning of this...MILLER colliding with CHYTIL...dude, I saw three or four near misses yesterday that were just like that...guys playing in the clouds and having ZERO spatial awareness...this is from a team that just one month ago looked like the ice hockey version of the Globetrotters on the PP. They're just a giant clusterfuck now. Even their passing game...which used to be off the charts...is just shit. Like I can count on one hand the number of crisp, clean passes they made. Puck was constantly bouncing on them...like I said yesterday...either it's a meltdown with the coach or a meltdown among the players...maybe both? But the players weren't having any issues in games 1-9. They looked good, albeit a little loose defensively. Now? They look like the worst team in the NHL.

Just keep trading players instead of changing the coach and or the gm. I hoping Dolan makes it a happy holiday season.

AV was handed a SC Competitor and blew it. He abandoned the defensive conscious that Torts instilled in the team. IIRC we had the lowest GAA of this franchise history dating back to the 60's. "IF" Lavi & staff commit to "the Clock" (again inanimate object) in dolling out the TOI minutes, that's a game changer and gets the entire team to buy into the clock. No need to fire the coach, pass down the order. 16, 16, 16, 12, TOI's adjusted for Special Teams up & down but that 4th line gets a minimum of 10-12 minutes. No need to fire this coach. Sather needs to go, DRURY is on notice

You can't fire a head coach ever other year. That's just nuts. You have to actually give them the time to you know, actually coach.... In regard to Joel Quenneville: Little to no chance he is the HC here. Most rumors have him going to Detroit... Now, if Mike Sullivan becomes available and the NYR's are still struggling, my money would be put on him. Though I still think LAVI get's the rest of the season(barring any a total collapse).

RF4L - as the saying goes, garbage in, garbage out. You hire shitty coaches, you get shitty results. QUINN wasn’t even competent enough to be considered an NHL-level coach, and they STILL hired him…though I suspect some of that was a stupid attempt at showing up MONTGOMERY after he shunned their offer…still, the writing was on the wall before they hired GALLANT and I hate to say this, but yes, LAVIOLETTE. I was cautiously optimistic about both…they have their charms and LAV at least can say he’s got a cup ring, albeit and rather old one…but he followed almost an identical pattern in Washington. Pulled things together and then quickly turned into a joke. I had hoped a lot of that was the Caps themselves, but as we’re seeing now, that wasn’t the case. His problem is that he simply can’t see the forest through the trees. He’s trying to get his vets going by rolling them out for more and more minutes and it’s just blowing up in his face. So now he’s literally grasping at straws. And the team knows it, because all of them are playing like they don’t know which end to shoot on. I haven’t seen this core play as sloppy and listless as this for more than a period, much less four weeks. But here we are. There is no trade that will change this…no trade, that is, that a GM would make unless they were incoherently drunk…so the only move is to chop from the top, and that’s LAV. I guess they could time it with BRUNETTE getting canned…THAT would be a supreme swap. But LAV needs to go. Plain and simple. Would help if we had a coach in mind. I would make HOUSELY the interim and work from there.

RF4L - Which wing DESERVES to sit for Berrard? Vesey? Smith? Laffy? Edstrom? I want Berrard in for his hustle..but....

Sitting Berard IMO sends a lousy message to the players. So that's likely what Lardiolette will do.

PJ - They just haven't been winning and holding the puck enough in the D zone to start any transistion..has mainly been keystone Kops and panic clears

Awesome to see CHYTL and Krieds in..Completly healthy....Smith doesn't really deserve to sit...Despite a goal the other night, I'd start with BRODZ..then your guess is as good as mine......Let's see what we get....Good as time to strt bck up as any...Hope these guys know it's about defense and structure..not goals!

Another issue is lack of offense from our D….Yesterday Trouba only D with a shot on goal….Miller provides zilch…Jones not much at all….We have talked about Fox….The talent back there should be contributing much more….I mean it isn’t that they are concentrating on D play..

Going to see if accountability is anywhere close to starting ... by sitting Smith and keeping Berard in because his energy and play warrant it.. and keep the D pairings of miller/schnider and trouba/jones

IMO it's too early and disruptive to call for the coach to be fired. A few checks and tweaks and it'll address a lot of what folks are calling for, no need to amputate the limb for an ingrown nail. DRURY on the other hand, I'd like to check every move this guy makes in relation to the franchise. Sather's got to retire or be encouraged to do so. TROUBA: I looked at the local teams around us to see if we can make some good of the situation: NYI, NJD, BOS, PHI: "Philly" has Travis SANHEIM, a LHS-D on their 1st pair with the young LHS-D Cameron YORK. "Maybe" a trade can be effectuated there, and it leaves Trouba relatively close to his current family-life situation away from hockey. This move would open a slot for MANCINI, and while I like what we have in Mancini, I don't like the Defense "as a group" to march to the SCF's. I can't see committing to LINDGREN long term, and that's going to be painful, ""but there is a potential trade there"" as well. He and Fox have played together for years, and Lindgren has bled Ranger Blue throughout his time here. K'Miller seems to be a "tweener," he's not a brute, and he's no Erik Karlsson, accept him as he is and work him to be more or trade him. I think that his offensive game can contribute more, and he does serve as some backup insurance (as does Jones) in the event FOX misses time to injury. We're going to need a LHS-D'man who is everything we need to round out the Blue-line. Up Front on the forwards, maybe look to move Reilly SMITH for TOLVANEN. I don't dislike Smith, but I'd take the risk in shaking things up be trading him. TOLVANEN is 8 years younger, plays a much more physical brand of hockey, and he's a Finn which would be good for him & KaKKo, which brings me to, "I like that KaKKo is getting time at Center, it makes things tricky in configuring the line combo's with him at Center. "IF" and that's a big if, we were to get PHI's Scotty Laughton in a trade for Trouba, well them maybe KaKKo get's moved back to Wing. -- Out: TROUBA, LINDGREN, SMITH may be one of the easiest ways to go, what we get in return is anyone's guess.. KREIDER: back issues? Reminds me of Adam Graves back issues that IIRC ultimately forced him to retire. I wish Kreider played more like GRAVEY but that's a fantasy.

Punch - there has always been and always will be the push/pull of mgt and players. And, I get your sentiment. But all those possible feelings that Trouba and Lindgren may have would not exist if, for the past few years, they weren’t traitors to playing defense well, or even average, lol.

And then if things turn around and the Rangers do well, it’s, “Oh I’ll eat crow, no harm no foul!” Except reading it constantly is like being exposed to nuclear fallout! LOL!

It’s amazing to me how Rangers social media is so reactionary, fierce & angry! There’s no modulation, only FIRE! TRADE! TEAR IT DOWN! BLOW IT UP!

Here is the Bryan Berard kerfuffle: It looks to me like his teammates were there almost immediately.... https://bsky.app/profile/snarkmessier.bsky.social/post/3lc4dijrcec2g

The modesty and docile nature of hockey players off the ice is cliche to the point of comical. Pretty much very interview is the same collection of deflected credit and platitudes, and every suggestion of managerial callousness is passed over with the phrase "we all know it's a business." Guess what? The proud athletes who mouth this junk by rote are also sensitive to the fact that they are the hardest-working, by far lowest paid major sport elite athletes in the world. They play with broken legs. They take stitches in their faces and don't miss a shift. And they talk about loyalty in the room, to the fans, to the sweater and to the organ-eye-zation. Hell, you can't step on the logo on the floor without drawing a reprimand. So when a former player becomes the GM, buys into the hard-cap system so extremely as to become a callous, mean-spirited, pom-pom waving lackey for his billionaire bosses, and then disses the entire team in front of the entire league, there are gonna be repercussions. No loyalty from management --by an original six franchise that claims to make up for 84 years and one Cup by being best at doing the right thing more often than any other team-- is a prescription for disaster. Drury is the WRONG guy, not just for the ineptitude, but for his utter lack of understanding this tenuous balance. He's a total fuck-up, probably even a "traitor" in the eyes of guys like Trouba and Lindgren. Lavy could probably save his job by going into the room, taking charge with an "I know how you guys feel, let's shove it up their asses" speech, and then winning a few games, but he's a company boy, too. There is no easy fix here. There is only damage control. Because NYS tax implications and the Dolans aside, MSG could very rapidly become the place where NOBODY wants to come and play-- including Mr. McDavid. And that would be bad for the world's most beleaguered hockey fans outside on Ontario. To wit, us.

Does the team stop the bleeding today? Do they care one iota about defense and structure? Do they stand up and play for each other? Tune in today at 1PM for the next episode of As The Ranger World Turns brought to you by Palmolive and, more appropriately, CHARMIN..

Limbo. Yep. Soon to be 5 coaches (going back to AV), 3 presidents (Sather Davidson and now Drury) and 4 GMs. K Z then P and T key members of the leadership core. Time to let the young players take over. This is yet another risk signing guys in their late 20s to fat long term deals.

“PHILADELPHIA — In a matter of weeks, the Rangers have become the Giants and Jets. The season has devolved into dysfunction marked by a fifth straight regulation defeat that matches the club’s longest stretch of futility since the tumultuous final week of the 2020-21 season — during which president John Davidson and general manager Jeff Gorton were fired days ahead of the dismissal of head coach David Quinn. Now GM Chris Drury and head coach Peter Laviolette have the responsibility of fixing what has become a broken unit. It is still November, the Rangers still have a winning record of 12-9-1, but there is no time to waste for either of these gentlemen, and there is no time to waste for a cast of characters in the room who appear to have lost their will.”…..my opinion is this is on the coach and the gm who have perpetuated this situation. And they need to resign or get fired. Whoever the new people are, then have to figure out if anyone needs to go. But laurel and hardy are responsible for it. They have taken the president’s trophy team and turned them into a non contender in 2 months. That’s quite an accomplishment that takes almost no effort, and they have supplied that with flying colors. The problem is that these two cannot be trusted to do the right things. They will play together in the game of cya which should be enough proof for sather to tell Dolan to cut them out. Bring in new blood that will be loyal to the Nyr first. I will say that both of them have had successful charisma bypass surgeries. But real leaders need charisma.

The Panarin and then Berard situation to a lesser extent tells alot about the "team". The fact that no one stepped in, not for nothing there were plenty of Gluers there but no Rangers and that's a ripple effect through the locker room

Dolan doesn't care until the seats are empty..he doesn't care about a cup guaranteed. Drury is sather version 2 . Can't make a trade to save his life. Drury destroyed the team by dumping Goodrow and the trouba fiasco it's that simple. The players mostly don't care except for a few. Drury has to be fired. But we won't be. Remember they get paid either way.

The carnival is back in town let's lose another game and another until Dolan sells to Cohen who owns the Mets.

All that said…Lavy gets replaced and they go on a tear, I’ll be right back in it, haha. What can I say? I’m a fan…and I have no shame, lol.

Hospo - I’ll shed no tears for Lavy. Coaches get paid to get get fired. Just the nature of the job. And no doubt these guys stopped playing for him a week ago. And I don’t care for Drury either. He is a mercenary as well. We will have to agree to disagree with your assessment of NYR last year that “they always played disciplined, structured”. TROUBA and LINDGREN were pretty awful most of last year. This year is just more of the same. But with the added twist of both knowing they are on borrowed time. Mika is a mental case at this point, but was trending down, esp 5v5, for a while. Miller has always had rocks for brains. CK has always been mercurial. I just don’t buy the story that these guys all suck, or worse won’t give effort, because Lavy didn’t bench a guy OR because he did bench a guy OR whatever. Do I disagree with coaching tactics and assignments? Absolutely. Is the team tuning Lavy out? Absolutely. Should he get canned? Yup. But, 4 coaches in 5 years? Hmmm….what’s the consistent thing here again…hmmm, lol. Here’s the thing from me: I’m actually not that bitter about it. This is/was a good team. They won a lot. They were fun to watch and fun to root for. We got close. But…we saw the best this core had. And it wasn’t enough. It’s time to move on. It’s self evident. Their play is telling us and them…they’re done.

RF…Maloney is 100% correct…Maybe one of the more telling moments in the game…Your star is surrounded and you lazily skate toward the scrum and don’t do shit when you get there….Not a great reaction either when the rookie Berard was engaged with a Flyer…Fox skated past it and did nothing….Trocheck and Laff went over but we’re in no hurry…Not the sign of a team playing for each other….

Wonder what the Dolan/Drury relationship is like….Will Dolan dictate what moves need to be made?…Is the Sather influence still there?….

https://x.com/DaveyUpper/status/1862573771208425861/video/1. Maloney rightfully pointing out the no reaction from P's team when he gets attacked by some Flyers. OMG isn't this historically the Rangers MO more often than not? No win they are heading to 85 and counting.

Not one penalty on Flyers today….First time this season..Last time vs. Rangers was 2011…..Seems like they initiated most of the after whistle or away from the puck BS…

There is a lot going on in that locker room that we son’t know about. Trouba is a malcontent, Shesterkin and his contract are lingering. Giving them another coach is not the answer. Drury needs to walk into the locker room with a pair of balls and tell this team they need to get their heads out of their asses, he is not firing the coach and if they don’t turn things around quick he will gut the team at seasons end. The Blues were in last place in January when they won the cup so this season is not dead yet. Fox is a shadow of himself, ZBad is so in his own head. Give the C to Laffy.

LIMBO -- Yeah, I would like a few players gone but here's the thing, yes the Rangers of last year were not built to beat the Panthers, and they still aren't..…That was their only blemish last year...Other than that, they always played disciplined, structured and the leadership, effort and chemistry were all very high.....Drury failed them at the deadline and Maurice outcoached Laviolete....All that has changed this year is Riley Smith and Carrick so then why do so many of the players now play like a bunch of apathetic Kamenskys and the team looks like it hasn't played more than 3 games together? .......None are at the age where they should be eroding physically (except Lindgren qnd his injuries)....Is it just a confluence of individual reasons for 80% of the players playing worse or much worse than last year or is there a few common reasons such as team attitude or poor roster and ice time management by Laviolette???

Limbo…And what attempt has this coach made to cut down on the vets icetime?…How has he disciplined anyone for poor play?….I mean was Mancini worse than Miller or Trouba?….They make more mistakes in a period than he has in all the games he played…If Laviolette was making any attempt to rectify the situation I agree with you….

And, for those keeping score, firing Lavy will give this core group there, what…4th coach….in 5 years?! Massive LOL. Yeah, the players aren’t the problem here. What a joke. And this coming a pretty forgiving fan that has enjoyed a lot of winning over the past few years. But it’s done. Super done. Extra done. Done, done.

Meant to post:” … This is the 2nd coach he has has hired…if he fires him, then he’s gone, too! Think about it…”

Why would JT miller want to comeback here ??? He is 30+ why at his age would they be interested. I am so confoooosed.

So, 1/4 into the season after a President’s Trophy and Drury is supposed to fire Laviolette and then think he’s gonna survive as GM? This is the 2nd GM he has has hired…if he fires him, then he’s gone, too! Think about it…

It started out as the players, it became the coach, and now it’s the gm with the players giving him and the coach the middle finger

I think the Rangers' brass thought they were the Bolts V2.0 in respect to coming close for a bunch of years and finally getting gelling 100% this year. Problem is.....no Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Hedman or hard working warriors on 3rd line (except Cuylle).......So here we are.......laying like a puddle of piss in the airport urinal with a bunch of random pubes on the lid of the urinal that looks like a goatee .......

PJ - we agree totally and i have also used the words virus and snowballing...can they be halted? Yes..teams have come back from much worse..but the issues, other than Drury which can't be addressed, has to be identified and changed by the very person (Drury) that has help to turn this into mess....Gonna be real intersting..but, I for one, am dreading the possible moves by Drury...My move would be the coach goes first because the only players with high values to deal are not the problems...grrrrr.......

Hire peca not a bad idea or is it . At least he played in the NHL. Does it matter?

It's the players and the coach not just the coach. We can't handle pressure. Not built for it. Every GM president leaves headaches behind. Gorton and JD signed panarin, trouba, ZBAD. At least panarin is trying but he isn't built for the playoffs. Oh that was already said I forgot.

I thought brunette was the greatest coach ever, responsible for the devils being so great. I guess not.ses a lot like one year coaches these days with a few rare exceptions such as TB cooper. Or Sullivan.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5952513/2024/11/28/marc-bergevin-canadiens-firing/?source=user_shared_article

Because misery loves company:https://x.com/NYRFanatic/status/1862595458524131486/video/1

Limbo. That's quite the drastic massive plan. There's plenty of merit to it too. Alas most won't happen. I know this: If they're fighting for a wild card spot come the deadline Igor's up for trade.

Perspective....I worked with a dynamic fully functional team .. hard workin energetic .. then "management" shifted slowly the mood changed, performance began tailing off , folks started leaving and myself and others going through the motions.. I retired during COVID ... but the toxic mess I understand got worse.. a great culture is hard to build but EZ to destroy ..

Laviolette started the fourth line today and we were still in trouble right away….Had three good chances during the third period ad we were pressuring them….Three shots passed up for passes and only one got through to Trouba and he flubbed it…Z had the tieing goal on his stick late and gagged….No confidence…

When the majority of the team sucks, you need to can the coach. Another loss or 2, I’d be shocked if LAVY was still here. But, to say this a mostly coaching issue seems silly. Looks like CUYLLE is the only forward that gives a shit. 4/6 of our starting D has been pretty bad. TROUBA/LINDGREN has been awful for 2 years. ZBAD, has absolutely hit a wall. Prancing PANARIN turned into a floppy jellied mess. Rock head MILLER is useless. IGOR wants to be paid like a savior, but if he can’t save this group, what is the point? Not to mention the softees that he gives up way too often. Then we have Drury. I don’t think he’s stupid. The TROUBS drama at least showed that he knew that he needed to unload that stiff by whatever means necessary. But, the execution is questionable. I think he knows what this team needs to be, and IMO, he is more than ruthless to get it done. I just think, at this point, he is just not competent enough to follow through. Burn it. Burn it all. Burn it all to the ground. Well, maybe not all, haha. Just the over the hill core. Get rid of them tomorrow. Just gonna copy paste what I wrote on Monday. Maybe if I do that once a week, it can be willed into existence, lol. NYR TODO: I ship out Trouba and LINDGREN for whatever yesterday. Addition by subtraction. They are toast. CK for some young D. Mika - benched until he waives, send for a young C and picks. If IGOR isn’t willing to take a reasonable deal (10M/year), gone at the TDL for a haul. Bread - retain 50% and you will get a massive return at the TDL. Miller for something that has a hockey IQ above a slug. Then….here’s a thought…build the team THE RIGHT WAY TO WIN PO HOCKEY!! Defensemen that don’t suck at defense. Forwards that don’t prance. A goalie that is decent but doesn’t fudge up the cap. Will it suck for a year or 2? Maybe. We saw what we got with current crew - great regular seasons, no PO finish. They had their shot. The remaining core is in early to mid twenties. Time to give them a shot…

Hospo….Agreed it isn’t just one thing…It is snowballing though and the virus that started with Z and Trouba has made its way through the team sparing very few….What happens first?…Laviolette being canned or a big trade?…Not sure but Drury the weasel will certainly blame someone….He isn’t going to wait much longer…I fear what type of trade he could make…

To me it seems like the Rangers start games surprised that other teams are showing up. That is on the coaches and the players. They just seem a step behind and it takes something (a power Play, or an extended zone time where they get their bearings. It is just crazy how seemingly unprepared they are for these games. The passing doesn't seem as crisp, pucks aren't getting through to the net, the team isn't forechecking. It's just bizarre. I don't for a minute believe that these guys forgot how to play or their bodies have deteriorated this quickly. It's either a rebellion or a mental block that they aren't willing to collectively recover from.

A few more loses them maybe Drury gets canned . My god he is an amateur..who could possibly coach this team, no idea . Are we overreacting???? I don't know anymore. Although I do feel Drury is awful.

JFC - I think it's a combination of many things. Drury’s handling of the Goodie and Troubs situations,, his latest fuck ups of many , had to cause resentment...but they SHOULD move past that..Maybe you have the psyche of the vets seeing that they worked their assess off last season to be the best only to lose to FLA..maybe as a group they decided to "pace themselves" and it blew up in their faces?...then you have Laffy and the big contract and weak play...the IGOR distraction...LIndgren's injury and his deteriorated play until today...And then ZBAD, Laffy,, Tro, Panarina, Fox all being a shell of their former selves.. especially ZBAD and Fox....And then you have one of the best lines the Rangers have seen in a long time squashed by the injury to CHYTL, which after all may truly be as significant as many thought ..And throw on top of that a coach instilling zero accountability, no reward for good play, no structure, no disciple. ...As The Ranger World Turns

SJW... In regard to the CAP: The simple answer is that by not putting CHYTIL on LTIR, we are still accruing cap space. LTIR only allows us to exceed the cap and would prevent us from doing that.

Andrei… All you have is Z and Kreider bashing….That is it…..Miller could turn the puck over ten times in a period and you would defend him….Now you know how who is a leader in the locker room and who isn’t….The Rangers lost to the Panthers last year due to lack of leadership?…Really?….It wasn’t due to the Panthers being a more physical team?…..So teams with no leadership make it to the conference finals and two games from the finals?

Like I said, there's the right way to trade players and then there's the Chris Drury way. He seems to like creating more problems for himself than is ever needed. If you've ever had a job where you don't feel like the owner/company doesn't give a F-K about you, welcome to the NYR!

Tlats - How could they not? Just another screw up to add to Drury's list of many...Instead of something as stupid as that, it was Laviolette who should have been holding the players feet to the fire when they performed poorly..He didn't..Fucking Laurel and Hardy in control of the Rangers and the Rangers are The Bogey Men

I dunno, I don’t see this as being a “coaching” problem..outbof the question, no but it just doesn’t feel tgat way. It feels like a “bad vibes” problem that started when Chytil got hurt AGAIN…a shock to collective psyche of the team, combined with bad vibes from the summer Trouba & Goodrow situations. Could it also be that they haven’t played enough games, that it actually allowed other teams to be further ahead in sharpness than the Rangers? I’m grasping at straws because I’m really baffled by what I’m seeing…it doesn’t make sense. Has the core suddenly just lost a step? Zib, Lindy, Kreider…they look like shadows of themselves. Even Fox looks like shit and I said that a couple of times this season before I said it during today’s game. What exactly is it that Lav has said or done that suddenly the team has lost its ability to play well? Seriously, the players play, the coach coaches….this should have been a seamless transition into this season with systems and philosophies well-learned & familiar with this team. Yes, they won against weaker teams to build up,a good record but they were so much sharper…in a way that had more to do with THEM being sharp than it was the other teams looking shitty. I’m at a loss with what’s CAUSING this, I really am.

Trade Miller Trouba Z Troch. Bring in Mancini Rempe Oth (when healthy) along with the trade returns. Hold a spot for Perrault. Fire Lavy hire Peca. Burn the village.

Return of The Letter coming? Son of the letter? How can a guy as talented as Mike lose it so quickly? It is really crazy.

On another topic.. it is lookin more and more like another screw up on LTIR with Chytil.. tomorrow will be game 8 and if he isn't playin .. why is he not on LTIR .. smells like the Lindgren fiasco from 2 yrs ago ... Not a fan of the Laviolette hiring but after last season thought I was wrong...yea it just took a year.. looks like we had the coach within the system in Knoblach and instead went for the vet lovin retread

Two league sources told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, that at least some players resent the for-sale sign that Drury hung over his roster this early in the season and don’t appreciate how easily it got leaked." #NYR

BTW: This was reported back in September.... "Goaltender Igor Shesterkin doesn't want to negotiate a contract extension with the New York Rangers once the 2024-25 regular season begins, sources told The Athletic's Peter Baugh and Arthur Staple. Both Shesterkin and general manager Chris Drury have expressed interest in getting a deal done, but a signed contract isn't close at the moment, Baugh and Staple note. "I love the team, I love the fans, so of course it will be great to stay here. But you never know what’s going to happen," Shesterkin said last week. The netminder added there's no negativity involved in his choice to wait until the offseason if a deal isn't struck over the next few weeks."

And you don't want REMPS (somehow the Rangers did well with him in the lineup lst year!!)well.. you need to get some attitude and nastiness by hook or by crook

In the words of the immortal Bruce Springsteen….we had it once we ain’t got it anymore….,fucking embarrassing….. and we gave up a 3nd round pic for Reilly Smith…go figure…..is it time to send out another letter

Hospo, again you are talking about mentoring and being well liked, or being a good teammate. A player who has 3 5v5 points can't simply motivate a group of kids and encourage them to play a better period and then go out and himself float entire next 20 minutes. It's not how it works. Motivation does not work on others, when as a player, like Kreider, needs a constant motivation himself. Again, there is a room on this team for Kreider, with the right coach who will use him properly. I'm not questioning that. What I'm questioning, is world famous "leardership" that he supposably posses. Prissily why I will always question this leadership core. Just like you will never hear how great Fox is a leader, cause he is not. Not every player is a born leader.

Hospo: And Nob for Life just might do that. They lose tomorrow and how can Lardiolette not be fired?? Interesting albeit depressing times for sure. Again. Rangerland is a wondrous place sometimes.

Rf4L - Yep it's a clusterfuck..and, just for you, the only way DRURY goes (and he should), is if your boy SATHER tells Dolan to do it!!

Happy Belated Thanksgiving WIOSA--we spent it with three good friends and six pups total! They loved the Cranberry sauce!..And spot on about the off season!

Hospo: I get it. Dolans may fire the whole lot of them but then what happens? Who does he hire? Brian Burke? Nob for Life II? Gorton must be chuckling away merrily at this mess.

Yech. This is a bona fide slump, albeit an early one, but a slump none the less. That said, Im not sure why Drury stayed status-quo during the offseason. Even the SC Champs know you cant stay status-quo and expect to do better. The teams that were chomping at your heels all made steps to improve not to mention the one that beat you. Curious. But, we all know this team is better than this, it's a slump. BTW Happy Belated Turkey Day to all that celebrated. My pup and I had a turkey feast and enjoyed the company. It's always a pleasure to cook for someone that never complains about your cooking.

I still can't stand ZBAD's game but have to admit he was much more competent and involved tonight...not a problem despite the miss at the end

RF4L - Do we want DRURY to do anything? He has been atrocious for 2 years with his moves...He will pick the wrong guys to trade, I guarantee it..Why I say go with canning Laviolette first..as if the on ice stench wasn't enough

andrei: Lardiolette does like Cuylle (for good reason). Z and P once again the led the forwards in icetime. Trocheck was 3rd. KK another 14 minute night. Gee what a surprise.

ANdrei - Actually that happens quite often..it's what thye do when they aren't producing that matters...Ask the young forwards what they think bout Kreider...they love him and learn from him

Stay tuned for the mealy mouth coach postgame interview with we have to be better you better you better you bet

Maybe Drury will go behind the bench! Nah, that's too public for that miserable prick.

rf4L, take it back. Cuylle was out there, but so was ZShit! Mika Zibanejad, 19:38 today. Just can't make this out.

HOw long is Drury gonna stay sitting on his hands? Oh, wait, maybe he'll send out another memo. Yeah, that'll do it. Sure worked like a charm once.

The 6-5 also a symptom of structural issues.. having control of the puck but nothin funneled to the net .. pass pass pass around the outside for a bad angle 1 timer.. just mindless .. when u need to attack the net and create a dirty goal

A quasie-better third period but a well deserved loss.Team looks like it is back in the who cares about team defense no chemistry pre season mode...Tahnks Laviolette

Another very sad performance. They lost that game six or seven to one. And it’s so bad that Mr. milk toast Joe Mitty is crushing them on the game on the TV. The guy that never says anything bad about what they do or don’t do. I bet Maloney is absolutely crushing them on the radio

When things go bad.. Z misses a wide open net to tie the score.. the spiral down continues....

Rangers didn't deserve to tie it up anyways. 5 straight losses. Wake the fuck up Drury you incompetent piece of shit.

A mijute and half left and they were poayi9ng patty cake on the perimiter..yet almost....not done yet...

Hospo, on top NHL teams, a player that goes MIA for weeks, often 10-15 games in a clip, will never be part of the leadership. Just like his equally inconsistent Bromance partner, ZShit.

rf4L, Lavi's playbook line one. Play ZShit as much as possible, no matter what. That's the plan. Watch him play last two full minutes, down by a goal, while Cuylle is on the bench.

RF- I know. Miller tantalizes, though. Absolutely crushed someone in the 2nd. But he hasn’t done much offensively.

Hospo, could not disagree more. This team have not had a good leadership core for years and if they did, Rangers would have not lost, like they did, in the playoffs to Devils, Tampa or Florida. Really think you are mixing mentoring with leadership. On every team, if team's culture is good, vets mentor kids. Every team. That does not automatically make those vets good leaders, it shows that they are good teammates. Just like kids are roomed with vet's families. That's also part of the mentoring. Only leadership i have ever saw from Trouba was the helmet toss to the stands. We don't know how good or bad Trouba is a captain, but it takes more then just a captain to have a leadership core. Just like 1994 team had Graves, Leetch, Larmer and Kevin Lowe and still needed MacTavish and Anderson at the deadline.

CoMark: Me either. Once the team is righted, be it via a new coach or whatever, he'll be fine.

That's either neither or both ... on that penalty call .. Rangers addicted to forcing passes at the offensive blueline instead of the SO .. turnover and 2 on 1 again the other way

CoMark: Miller is good for at least 2 brain farts a game. Until this year they were often counter-acted by his strong play with the puck. Not this year. And he has about as many hits as brain farts a game which is such a shame given his size and skating ability.

Kreider may sleepwalk way too often on ice, but the psychological lift he gives by playing elder statesman at the end of each period with Z seems to add cohesion. You never know what works at this level in terms of motivation and symbolic "one for all--got your back" attitude. The intangibles Kreids brings may be a lot more than we give credit for. Just sayin.' The room is REALLY important in this sport, by tradition and otherwise. Double in big markets.

Smith for a 3rd and a 5th - another stupidass trade courtesy of the incompetent Drury.

TROUBS was a fine captain last year, don't know about this year, it's a shit show so far... and all the kids look up to KREIDS..and he works with all the young forwards

I never liked when a team doesnt have roles for the players. Last year trochek took almost all important faceoffs. Team won possession. Goodrow would take others. This year we have zbad taking faceoffs. Kakko takin faceoffs and before out kreider. This year all want to play like panarin and hold the puck. Who is the worker on a line. On defence same thing. They all want to play like fox. Who is the stay at home defender? Who chips the puck up off the boards. Smh. The whole style of play sucks this year. There is no rhyme or reason as to what they are trying to do. How many odd man rushes happen this year? Just a comllete shit show

SJW - After how well MILLR-SCHNEIDS played late last year that was exactly what i Hoped/called for for this season........OK, positive thoughts for a GOOD COMPLETE PERIOD........And I honestly don't thinkt the iGOR negotiations or lack of have an iota of an impact. UNLESS his head has become too big in the locker room.....These guys know it's business...Now, when it's dirty business like what DRURY did this summer, that's another thing..

patch, dude, common. Kreider's absence is a major factor why team team looks like shit, or Kreider's is unofficial captain? God, lord helps us..

finally the D pairs are what I expected .. Miller with Schneider and Trouba with Jones... took long enough....

In regard to IGOR's contract: He made it known before the season started that he did not want to negotiate during the season. He is staying true to his word. I sure hope DRURY has a plan(I'm pretty sure he doesn't).

I think Trouba might be tanking his trade value intentionally. I have always defended the guy but he’s looking ridiculous in the D zone right now.

Bob- the Shesty contract statement about waiting until off-season- that was just your musing, correct? I didn’t see that anywhere, lol. I wouldn’t be surprised especially after 1st period.

Really good point about Shesty's contract and the possibility that the core perceived disloyalty in a major way. Probably a combination of all of these things, plus a belief that Drury is a total incompetent with a nasty streak not deserving of his job and certainly not fit to be in control of their destinies (and they want rings). Not too be overlooked is the fact that Kreids is the de facto captain, and his five game absence reverberates throughout the line-up. Interseting that Troch is now the last guy off the ice and Z-trocious is nowhere to be seen Kreider should get the C when he returns, whether Trouba is here or not. The fact that Bread was left unprotected during and after the most recent manhandling today (recall that was what signaled the last team implosion following the Wilson mugging) reveals that Trouba has basically resigned as captain, anyway.

The word is out on the Rangers lazy flyby stick checkin.. nobody is concerned about being hit .. cutbacks and spinaramas are EZ to do

Ranger vet players just do not physically compete....On BERRARD, he hustles his ass off that's for sure

I know if I was in charge the young players would be getting the premium icetime. It's time to let them take over the leadership if this team. And it's not like these kids are a bunch of bottom 6ers. There's big talent there.

Flyers seem to have caught Rangeritis all of a sudden .. Ranger wingers are the worst in their own end.. and Shesty keeps passing the puck around the wall to teh Flyers.. 4x so far .. someone is not in position or out of synch

Great work by CUYLLE on that shift..and luckily TRO replaced ZBAD to get the goal!

Ranger D has also abandoned any thought of pinching. That’s a big departure from how they used to play.

Now the word that Shesty rejected $11Million per and will not negotiate until,after the season.

Bob - yeah man, I have no idea. I just haven’t see the Rangers play a stretch of hockey this bad since those terrible teams from 2001-2004. Like dudes who were laying it all down six months ago just going through the motions now. Gotta be something happening behind the scenes. No idea what it could be other than that contract sitch. Don’t know if you remember, but right before this horrible patch of hockey, there was a rumor going around that SHESTY resigned for eight years. Then he went on the ice and got absolutely SHELLED that game, and that rumor vanished.

How is that guy left alone in front?? Cuyyle floated that's why! Now i have seen everything..

Honestly……constant odd man rushes…….leaving guys all alone in front of Shesterkin. This period is not better so far. WTF is going on?

Seriously? All the Rangers need to do to win this game is dump and chase. FEDOTOV isn’t that good. But they don’t.

Give up a 2 on1 chance off the opening fO.. get some zone pressure then F around at the blueline turn it over into another 2 on 1 .. u cannot make this shit up

Nobody touched FOERESTER as he was whacking away at SHESTERKIN. That’s a sign.

One thing to remember, this has been going on for a long time..for awhile the goalies and the kid line were sqving this team..The kid line is now a faint memory..and the team imploding

TD—Very interesting thought about Shesterkin’s contract impacting the team. Although they have had guys play through their contract year before and it has not torn the entire thing apart like this. Dave Maloney just showed the 5 on Panarin at the end of the period with the other 4 clueless and not doing anything to protect their best skater. Now Maloney was that kind of player that stood up for teammates……but there does not appear to be any togetherness or cameraserie in this group right now.

Obviously, they have been playing for themselves and not the "team" for one or more of the many reasons we are spouting

TD.... You see a team that doesn't care. I see a team struggling with confidence issues. Playing hockey is not fun for them right now(and it should always be fun).

Even Dave Maloney points out that Panarin gets fucked with and where are the other four Rangers?

In regard to what DAVE was just talking about: Trouba was skating over last when someone is F-ing with Bread. He looks checked out.

First 2 shifts for Mika, the puck in the Flyers zone deep and he is the last one coming back….behind all 5 Flyers. WTF is going on with him? They all seem like they are out for an afternoon skate. Clueless defensemen, first Lindgren the Trouba on the 2 goals. This club looks like there is no system to what they are going out there.

Rhet0ric - the last time I saw a Ranger team THIS disinterested in playing was 2003-04…MEssier’s retirement tour.

Punch - Fuck, i'll say it, but Laviolettes treatment of ZBAD when he was the worst forward on the team for many games in row also has had a major rippling effect on this team..well, at least IMWO

punchrolfe - lol see security pull him off the bench and escort him out…but seriously. That’s what this team needs. If they lose this game, LAVIOLETTE needs to go. Simple as that.

9 GA and O TA... we have to correct that the rest of the way or we're F'd in the A

Punch - DRURY has been incompetent for two years but his mangling of the Troubs and Goodie situation this past summer was icing on the shit cake..and the team doesn't seem to want to swallow it and whatever the coach is shovelling with his preferred treatments and lack of rewards for good performqnce..is it recoverable without a new coach? I don't know

punchrolfe -nah, this is something recent. They were NOT playing like this to start the season. In fact, they looked pretty tight, at least with their offensive game. Whatever has happened to this team has happened in the past three weeks and has been getting progressively worse. The only two things that I could think would be 1. LAVIOLETTE singled out a couple of the vets or someone on the team, and they’ve collectively decided he’s a joke; or 2. That something is going on with SHESTERKIN and that maybe his looming contract has players wondering whether it’s worth playing in front of a guy who won’t commit to the team.

What can u say .. complete mess in our end, in the neutral zone and in the offensive end...they cannot get a clean BO to save their lives...give away after give away and coasting no effort...clear example.. after the Laffy chance.. Flyers coe back down several Rangers there but they still get a quality chance because the back checker.. well isn't.. he's coasting and not tying up the Flyers stick.. disgraceful

Has there ever been an in-game firing of a coach and GM? That would add some viewer interest.

TDCHI - Rangers rarely forecheck even when going good..The total lack of back-checking and not relly caring to is the telling one about the mind set of the team and the ineffective job by the coach

We are consistently HORRIBLE at line changes. I don't know what that is. It's been ALL season long.

I really do think that this is one, giant, fuck you to Drury for the way that Goody and Troubs have been treated. Subconscious or not, these players are pissed at the organization and letting it know.

SJW - You beat me to it...."no bite".."easy to play against" "it needs to be addressed"

Rhet0ric - I agree, but dude it’s the whole team. BERARD looks like the only guy moving out there…and oddly enough, he’s only been here for five days.

Flyers casters having fun describing teh mess that is teh Rangers.. correctly stating this team has 0 jam .. nobody willing to pay the price.. and sloppy as it gets

PJ - 100% correct..every fucking player guilty...all starts with Laviolette and started with the way he has managed his roster and vets when underperforming..Players heads are all fucked up right now

PJ, did i say anything regarding ZShit as far as two goals given up? Did I blame him somehow?? All I said was that in Lavi's book, only option left is to play ZShit, as much as he can, since it's the only solutions Lavi has...

Shesty IS the Rangers right now. Twelve mil is looking like a bargain if we play without defensemen.

Fox looks like shit! He’s not moving his feet, has no anticipation at all! TRASH! WTF?

Hospo - they are playing to get LAVIOLETTE fired. It’s literally the only explanation. Zero effort from the top player.

Andrei….You are watching this game and just talking about Z again…You have ZDS….

Even the Flyer announcers nothing there is sometihng rotten, something amiss with the Raangers and their lack of effort and discipline

Gawd we've endured a lot of crap as Rangers fans but this latest fiasco is right up there in terms of pure annoyance AFAIC

Hathaway shaken up? Looked like a bad acting job to me. Go play soccer, you pu$$y ;)

Oh and there was a nice missed pass-turnover-glide back to the defensive zone by PANARIN.

Wow..this team is DYSFUNCTIONAL with a capital D...The only place where there is D..Zero chemistry with the fucked up lines...zero everything....Where's a buzz-saw when yon need one?

Will repeat a known fact. there should be zero reasons to pair Fox-Lindgren and Miller-Trouba together. ZERO. But as we know, Lavi knows better. Now, two goals down let's play ZShit 30 minutes rest of the way, as we know ZShit always play well against Flyers.

Well, maybe the captain can take off his helmet and throw it at his coach. BTW, not one Ranger over the course of five games has tried to shake up the team with his fists, including Trouba. This team is as soft as they come. No pride.

Again, I wish Torts was coaching the Rangers right now..would love to see the fireworks and the benched vets

Nice flyers goals. Once again, assist belongs to Lavi. Fox-Lindgren structs again, followed by Trouba stickwork. Lavi is trying hard to get fired. I don't have another explanation. Good start, once gain. Fuck advanced stats, Lavi knows better. Anticipated actions yield predictable outcomes ...

At these ticket prices, this is so unacceptable it demands changes. In a hard cap league to have tickets double and triple the price of other cities and to allow a product like this to skate in your sweater is beyond fan abuse.

How much more will Dolans endure before he steps in and fires Drury (and hires Brian Burke)?

This team right now is always waiting for something to go wrong, when it does, they expect the other shoe to drop. Have to fight thru it. I'm amazed more PRO teams don't carry psychologists. So much of the game it mental. Guys can be their own worst enemies.

What is wrong with Fox? He can’t make a pass? But our top 4 D are a disaster right now. They aren’t in position and don’t defend. These guys didn’t just forget how to play hockey. WTF?

The top line useless..and Miller-Troubs even worse..something very, very rotten..again...starts at the head with Drury/Laviolette doing n incompetent job...players not really caring..or worried..

This team must want the coach gone and don’t care if they get traded since DD drury basically threatened them

This team is so bad that I want to throw up. You HAVE to make a trade now. This team/vets have no urgency and our D is too damn slow. Even Fox looks bad

The team has given up. Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Meanwhile Drury sits on his incompetent hands.

And so it goes..Once again a Laviolette team not ready..doesn't matter who..vets or kids.Shitty fucking coaching.Fox so fucking weak defensively

I would pull Shesty right now, call a timeout, and openly read the riot act to these clowns. The defense is so bad as to be comical. They are either so rattled by the front office shennanigans or sending a message to management regarding distraction to the point of disinterest. Humiliating.

Fire the whole group. Then offer ifor 8.5. If he says no trade his ass first. Then kove trouba. If that doesnt light a fire. Give zbad for a bag of pucks

Trouba and Miller out to lunch early, then Fox looks slow and Lindgren can’t cover his man.

This team cannot defend.. passing pucks to the other team and constantly beaten off the borders

I bet chytil is indeed concussed. This guy for all his working out it still a pillow what a shame. So much dam talent

KIs: For quite some time I have said to put Chytil on wing. I still think that's the way to go. For one it takes some pressure off him to use his skill sup the ice and not have so much D responsibility. Secondly, an injury will not impact the team as much. There are a lot of wings on the team and in the system, and even centers can play wing of course, so a "lesser" center can step in as a wing in a higher role in most cases. Then as you say, they get another 3rd lien C. Or who knows, maybe that's Kakko, as I said, try Kreider there and see if something clicks. If so bingo bango you have a 3rd line, Kreider can continue to help the team on the PP and be a veteran presence for years to come and be a "lesser" player on the team when it comes to 5v5 usage, something he will need to start moving towards in his career regardless of where he plays. But if not Kakko then another center, and perhaps the same thing with Kreider, and maybe Kako is on that wing. Lots options of course. But it all hinges on Chytil, he needs to be moved position or to a new team IMHO for the Rangers to find their best balance. Chytil is a hell of a player, I am not suggesting he is a problem to have on the ice, or that he has no value and should be dumped, but you cant carry an extra top 9 center just in case, at least not off the open market, its cost prohibitive. But if Chytil is moved to wing, you can at least for now.

Drury needs to make somethjng happen. Too many things out of whack. The trouba situation. Zbad sucking and chytil missing. The writtong is on the wall with cheeto. He may be liked and people are hoping you can come back, but it's only a matter of time at worst trade them for what you can get or put them on IR and have a talk with him but they need to fill somebody else in that third center position.

Rhet: Agree. I think Kreider should slide in for Edstrom, Kreider-Kakko-Smith. See if there is something there with that line. I always thought Kakko and Kreider meshed style wise. But Zib and Kakko did not. SO maybe there is something that can click there, and that becomes an actual long-term line. I know that causes issues when Chytil comes back. But that's a good issue to have IMHO.

In regard to Ron Duguay musings: I think he's taken one too many shots to the head in his career.

JT MILLER also has a full NMC and is still out indefinitely. He can't be traded while he's out.

I expect a NYR win today, maybe even a big win (although any win right now would be a big win). This team has been in their heads way too much, I'm thinking today is the breakthrough. Z has been playing better (though I'm sure many here would disagree). If Kreider is ready to come back, I would still keep Z with Cuylle and Berard or at the very least, keep Cuylle on his line. Panarin seems to be chomping at the bit. We need for the D to show up for a change. Trouba/Miller can't be a train wreck. Fox needs to not be mediocre.

Some Lardiolette coaching numbers showing clearly how historically he tends to start losing the room as quickly as after year 1: He has a 279-136-51 record (.653 points percentage) record in his first seasons, but year 2 his teams have a 219-155-57 record in his second season, a .574 point percentage. If stroking his vets is what he's done prevoiusly it's no wonder. Another questionable decision courtesy of Dreary Drury.

MOre rumours, this one coming from Stapleface: The Rangers have inquired about JT Miller. But as Stapleface also mused, going the other way have to be Zbad given the fact that both players have similar deals. How open Z would be to waiving his NMC is of course, totally unknown but players love Vancouver and the west coast so who knows. It wouldn't be 1 for 1 either despite Miller's personal issues given how crappy Z has been this season.

The other day I was talking about how not trading TROUBA was hurting the team. You likely have a guy still on the team, that's blacked out that doesn't even know he's blacked out. You add his drama to the way that Goodrow was treated and it's hard to imagine a least ideal way to start a season(at least in the locker room). Later that day, BROOKS mentioned(claims) that Trouba is indeed checked out (from his leadership role) and to not expect any helmet throwing anytime soon. If true, Trouba likely doesn't see it that way and probably thinks he's trying his best. It's something he probably wont realize until he's out of this situation. Fingers crossed it's sooner rather than later.

RF4L- Another team that might be interested in a D-man is VANCOUVER if i am correct in reading that their top pair defensive d-man HRONEK might be out for awhile.... if i was another team I would be very carefulll about trading for LINDGREN and his lack of durability...but as a 4th-6th D-man he still as value and worth for any team

FWIW, Lindgren's name is popping up now in trade rumours. Apparently there's interest in Edmonton, Detroit and LV, besides what I read about the Senators sniffing around.

mf: Last summer I mused about Drury offering up K and Z for Cozens and Samuellson and a pick because the Sabres for years have been lacking veteran leadership. It was, of course, pure conjecture on my part but with some thinking behind it. If Barfalo isn't one of the barred teams for K Z might be more open to moving if he gets to go with his buddy. Z is struggling for sure but so is Cozens so arguably those off-set. I'd do it if I was Drury if the Sabres were open to it.

There's a "Dozen on my Cozen, I can hear those suckers buzzin, there's a squiter on my peeter wack it off." (Big young RHS Center, will they take Kreider?) https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/cozendy01.html

Did Hospo say, "Scotty Laughton?" :->) https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/laughsc01.html

Good Morning Wallsters, we've got a fustercluck of a juggling act and it ain't looking positive. I'll start with the lack of leadership and confidence in the locker-room. Haven't read or heard of a single thing that this roster is going to rally around that is going to motivate this squad into competing to win it all. AAMOF, the last incident I can remember was when MSL lost his mom. The current group of Rangers is not showing an inkling of having what it takes to pull it together, and IMO without that, we're not winning regardless of who's on the roster. They all signed contracts, they cash their checks, there's risk in their field of employment, the don't don't like the risk (?) They should have consulted with OSHA before signing. Here's what's so and not opinion; we have quite a few young players on the roster, and we are introducing several more this season ie: on "D": Jones, Mancini, up front: 4th line wing Edstrom or other 4th line wing... This is on top of: Cuylle, Schneider, followed by KaKKo, Lafreniere, Chytil, Miller, Lindgren, Fox. The point is, we're young and the older players aren't leading, they may not be capable of providing the type of leadership needed, regardless of whether they know certain faces aren't going to be in the room next season. So, where's the leadership on the player's level. I'm not going to point a finger at Dolan outside of not having Sather retire, Dolan will and has spent to the max, and we have every reason to believe he will continue to do so. Drury on the other hand is a big "?" and as for Laviolette, I fault his relationship to "the Clock" and to his PP combinations, but I would not fire the guy, how many coaches are we going to burn through? This fan-base would have called for Scotty Bowman's head in his prime..... One real big to-do is that KAKKO is getting time in at Center, that's huge, the guy has the size & possession skills, time will tell, and Lavi & DD deserve some credit for KaKKo @ Center, whether he sticks or not, that'll take time. Sidebar: Evander Kane is rumored to be moved when he comes back from injury, I think we need to kick the tires on how he would fit in while this team is currently in the "last hurrah with this core" vs "continuing to shape the next core." Then there's the Defense: Lindgren, as it stands will not have a long career in hockey. I think we need to move on from him and find Fox a new partner. The current trade of is having a guy like the young 'RHS" MANCINI play on the LHS (which plenty of D-men do) but the Defense becomes younger, and can we win with that make-up of Fox, Trouba, Schneider, Miller, Mancini, Jones? Half those 6 don't have the experience to go deep. Back to the forwards: IF E.Kane gets back into game shape, I could see myself able to make an argument to promote trading for him, especially if KaKKo is going to play Center.

As Bob said, ZMOPE is definitely the biggest issue and albatross right now (but he is untradeable)...but the D is really starting to scare me..Not only does a shell of himself Fox get over-run physically but, bless his heart, so does LINDGREN who is playing smaller and smaller even before the imjury...Similar to ZBAD, MILLER is totally out of synch and i think Drury's summer shit show fucked things up a bit with TROUBS..Hopefully both TROUBS and MILLER can find their way back....OTOH, SCHNEIDS and JONES, for the most part, have been awesome..They just need more ice time from Big Country..But tht seems to be a running theme with the Rangers better players right now

I know they are only rumors about trading Kreids and KAKKAO but 4 months ago they were only silly rumors about the way Drury was handling the Troubs situation!.. Again, trading KREIDER or KAKKAO would be assinine............Going with what Kreids said the other day, and JFC today, I still think the Rangers ride this out and break on through to the other side without any huge deal...but perhaps that is just wishfull thinking...OTOH, Drury hasn't done a single right thing in 2 years so....

Zibenajad is their biggest problem right now, as for Fox…….lLindgren has been injured and regressed when he has not, and Miller has been a bad match up with Fox. Get him the proper partner and he will be fine. Just MHo,mofmcoirse.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/28/sports/rangers-once-vaunted-power-play-has-gone-missing/

Lavy even mentioned it a ways back too many games coming up.. maybe that's part of the story??

Is it at all possible that the schedule is having an effect and their exhausted ?????

TD all good! Just kidding around. Z is by no means the only culprit. It just seems to have started with him….going back as far as Christmas holidays last year. Then Fox got hurt and has not been close to the same since. But really he hasn’t been as good as his first two or three seasons and it has a been a steady decline. I am just frustrated with this group- the core vets in particular- we can see at times how talented and good they can be, but we have seen time and time again how collectively, when push comes to shove, in big games, in physical Po games, they just don’t have the will to succeed. Nobody has the leadership to go out and take over a shift, a period, a game to show by example that, NO WE are NOT going to lose. This is what we need to do as a team to win the Cup. Just don’t see that in any of these players. Especially the veteran core. Hope I am wrong, but I buy lottery tickets and hope I hit Powerball, too. So ….LOL

Happy Thanksgiving Wall! Thank goodness we have this place to vent/ talk Rangers Hockey.

I’ve been giving Drury the benefit of the doubt, but if he trades Kakko I’m going to be pissed.

That Duguay proposal is absurd….Laff has struggled but I believe a bit of the minus came from the short time he played with Z….He can drag anyone down quickly…

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! I have a funny feeling that all of this angst and agita is gonna end up being something we all laugh about when we celebrate a Cup! The happy, happy shit has just led to heartache! I’d rather suffer in the regulars season and lick ass in the playoffs! Regular season don’t mean shit!

I'd swap Smith and Laf, meaning the 'third' line would be Edstrom/KK/Laf which I'll bet would be a very good 3some.

Laf is bugging me, too. -8 is the 2nd worse on the club (behind Zcrap's -12). That entire line has gone in the dumpers. Despite leading all forwards in icetime, Trocheck is only 10 points, 6 less than Laf who gets hardly any PP time. P of course still leading the team in points but is a -1. That line needs to be broken up.

Greig and a pick for declining Lindgren who won't be back next year is a very solid return IMO.

More evidence (as if it's really needed) about how stupidly skewed Lardiolette's roster management practices are? KK is averaging under 14 minutes of icetime per game. Gawd, this coach is really bugging my ass now.

He also suggests waiving Trouba to get “access to his salary”, so he really doesn’t understand how contracts work.

KK's name has surfaced today as being shopped. KK BTW has a team best +13 rating. He also seems to be grasping the centre position quite impressively and just might be the answer to Chytil's fragility. Now seems like the wrong time to move him, unless it's about his value being high now given those facts.

Ron Duguay , who claims he’s been banned from all MSG/Rangers. Suggested this trade rumor: Rumor!! My rumor ???? Kreider Zibanejed Miller + 2 round pick For Crosby Malkin Karlson Pitt May pick up some salary back from Crosby for a draft pick Rangers have a 2 year window to win Stanley cup Rangers also move Trouba then find another impact player before at deadline with Trouba funds Rempe finishes the season as a regular in Rangers lineup

By the way another rumour has Ottawa entertaining trade offerings for Josh Norris. There are 2 issues with him: 1) His fat contract (nearly $8,000,000 for 6 more years) and 2) His tendency to get hurt and hurt badly. That said, when he's healthy he can score - 2 years ago 35 goals in 66 games. Of course, if Drury wants him, he'll have to free up that space meaning one of Trouba/Kreider leaves and likely not as part of directly aquiring Norris.

Just read a rumour sending Lindgren to Ottawa for Ridly Greig and a pick. Greig is a 22 year old former 28th overall pick known more for his feisty game vs being an offensive wizard. Best junior year was 26 goals and 63 points in 39 games. Makes some sense because Ottawa is a non-physical team, especially on the backline and have plenty of assets up front. They have 3 3rds in 2026 so perhaps that pick would be one of those? If this is real, pull the trigger Drury before it evaporates!

Drury can't make trade remember he is too stupid. Please no trades unless it's a horse saddle for a few hockey sticks.

Happy Thanksgiving, Wallsters! Just like indigestion from Turkey day, this Rangers malaise shall pass!

Here's something to chew on whilst you pound back turkey: BJs are shopping defenseman David Jiricek who turns 21 today. This kid the BJs selected 6th overall, won the best dman in the 2023 WJC, has 57 points in 84 AHL games, is big (6'4 and 220) and very skilled. He's asked for a trade because the BJs keep sending him down. Is Drury interested? Perhaps he could swing a Miller for Jiricek and Olivier deal. Maybe expand the deal to include Cole Sillinger...

During yesterdays game Mika almost scored on Igor. Anybody see that gaff? Looks like the puck hit the back side of the net. Boy this guy is lacking confidence. The puck is your friend not a hot potato. The team is playing safe hockey as players don't want to be the one making the mistake.

Well, for one don’t think everybody and the coach suck. I do think that improvements need to be made. To me, the most alarming thing is Mika. Seems to have lost his game since he became a daddy. Fatherhood does change people, but I’m a little surprised to see that with him. And the other one is true but. He again just doesn’t seem to be putting in 100% effort. It’s telling when these young guys that they bring up end up being the hardest working guys on the club. There’s a problem with the core there. I don’t know what it is. Maybe the locker room is splitting in half or some other kind of thing but there’s something rotten there for sure.

Thank God the Rangers don't have a game this afternoon..because seeing ZBAD's hang dog mug floating on the ice playing the Lets Avoid Contact game would make me lose my appetite....!!

NYStranger - Hey, I am often inaccurate!!! but not sure what you re calling me on! My comment on Laviolette was about instilling his sytem and structre earl last season and i really think he did even if it included PITLICK and BONINO!! Or is it some other BS i was saying?

Stevieleg: Totally Agree, bring on the Moose. He will have his players up for every game. And will add accountability. A true leader, who will fire folks if needed. And will play the younger guys much more.

TD. Then you're being extremely selective in what you're choosing to read in here or you're referring to social media crap but making it sound as if it's from here.

“ The Rangers’ 5-0-1 record out of the gate has turned into a 7-8 stretch, over which they have been outscored 47-39.”…. Lardass is trying to spin his last year to not get fired this year. He’s not holding himself nor his coaches responsible. He’s in the mindset that he’s preaching to the gm that it’s the players. He’s flailing excuses with no solutions. He needs a three way mirror to see his haircut and his mistakes which are prolonging his status quo situation. Like I said the other day, there’s no emotion and commotion. So they are right back to being the frustrangers. So I’ll say again hire messier for whatever job he’s hopefully interested in. DD drury has not changed the culture. And lardy is an enabler.

“Those are things that we can’t control,” head coach Peter Laviolette said of the outside noise before the Rangers blew a third-period lead and lost 4-3 to the Hurricanes Wednesday night. “What we can control is what’s in the room and how we attack the game [against the Hurricanes on Wednesday night]. “Every team goes through some ups and downs through the course of a year — we did last year. There was a trip out west where we weren’t playing very good, maybe in January, and ended up having one of the top years that we could. “I just think it’s something you’ve got to work through. Most teams have to work through something at some point. It’s our turn right now, got to work through it.”

NYStranger - here's the thing: I don't give a rat fuck what you say about Z. Don't like the guy? Great! Have at it. But that's all I read here these days...it's either him or MILLER...The rest? Oh it's just the TEAM is doing bad...Nah...it's not just Z. And nah, it's not 'just the team.' It's their top six and their top four, BAR NONE. They're all equally culpable here, because they're playing like trash...Adam FOX has been one of my favorite players since his freshman year at Harvard...I watch him now? He's fucking TERRIBLE. But folks look at his stats and say 'meh? 18 points, plus-5...he can dog it for a shift...' Well...guess what. Half those points...maybe even more than half are secondary assist. He gets beaten to the puck ALL. THE. TIME. And it's starting to cost goals...Oh and TROCHECK...ANOTHER favorite of mine since he was in juniors...Dude, did you watch him tonight? He was a FUCKING EMBARASSMENT. Mouth running. Swatting at Canes' players like a fourth fuckin' liner. The dude is goddamn CENTERING ATREMI PANARIN. He's on first unit PP. He's getting 22 minutes a night. Care to guess how many points he has?! Guess who has more points than him?! And I don't even want to get into LAFRENIERE. I goddamn teared up when we won the lottery to get that guy, that's how much I loved his game. I was also the guy saying the loudest that it's pure madness to give up on the guy and that his stats were a factor of the ice he was getting. I said that FOR YEARS, as fuckers were calling him a bust and suggesting he get traded for a week-old ham sandwich. THAT motherfucker is gliding. You want to say Z is gliding? FUCKIN' A dude. Take a look at LAF. Three guys I've always loved more than Z. Three guys leaving me scratching my head just as much, if not moreso than him. LAF, FFS. The dude who should be FLYING out there. So I say this again: This is a coaching problem. Either LAVIOLETTE adjusts, or this season will be short. Either the team is not listening to him, or he's telling them nonsense. Maybe both.

No fight in Lindgren…Without physicality he isn’t a good defenseman….Our third pairing should get more minutes…

I bet Lindgren is still weak from his broken jaw.. can't eat ??? If so then why is he playing, is he healthy who knows with this team anymore..only chytil gets the child treatment.

Montgomery also still has a house in St. Louis where he served as an assistant for 3 years I think.

PJ, 100%. Very good point. Speaking of coaches. Rangers should have left Lavi at the curb in Raleigh. Just trying to think if he trying to get fired so badly, or he is that stubborn and incompetent. Under no condition Miller should be playing with Trouba. Just like Fox should not playing with Lindgren. Sure Trouba is going trough some shit, but what happen to Lindgren??? Always dependent Lindgren is now playing like a AHL lifer and looks completely overwelled with the NHL speed in matter of month!! There is a reason on why Miller-Fox pair is a much better option. I really have no idea what else ZShit has to do to get his ass stappled to the bench?? How much more of liability a player has to be for the moronic coach to acknowledge that he has a problem on his hands and something has to be done to address it, other then scratching a 13th forward....

Rf4l new coaches usual win the first few games . It means nothing. Still I would have taken him over laviolett but Montgomery has no cups right????

Montgomery also played for the Blues and his wife is from St Louis and that could play a big part also…

When we pulled the goalie and I saw Z prancing across center ice and turning the puck over I was losing it…And I was an ardent Z defender…No Cuylle, Kakko, or hell give Berard a reward…You need players who can retrieve the puck and win a board battle..We send out a version of Disney on Ice…

Reality vs perception. Montgomery wanted STL job and that job only. He was an assistant there for years. He has great relationship with the management and ownership. So, yes, perception that he was "out there" and but in reality, STL was the only desired destination and as a result, he got hired less then a week after he was let go. Monty wanted out of Boston, that much is clear.

Yup and Laffy looks like he is Laffyng all the way to the bank since he signed his contract extension. Actually looks like he has been partying every night with JT Miller in his new penthouse. Again, how does Laviolette not use some sort of discipline with these guys. Sitting a non-vet for a few shifts is about all he has the nerve to do.

I won 30k on the canes tonight..I knew the rangers could not withstand the pressure. Joking but I knew they would lose who said they will win tonight??? Well still no chytil what the heck he worked out like a bandit runs into miller and gets wiped out ...

Hospo sorry miss read your post. You did say ‘early last season'. Haha. Really early

Hospo, not really accurate. Laviolette started over playing his top two lines and #1 pp unit the second half of last season. I kind of remember the team played a more balanced team game when Fox was out then the over reliance on the top 6-8 players took over again down the stretch. He never really has managed ice time well at all and they were cooked by the ECF. But yeah, this season Lardiolette has been much worse.

PJ - also agree on the type of coach....as i told Andrei this afternoon..don't need a "great" coach just somebody to hold the players accountable, base ice time on merit, and force a system...kinda like Laviolette did early last year!!!!!!...My how things have changed...Why??????? The summer shit show of Drury with the treatment of Troubs and Goodie, did it damage the team that much???

PJ - You are right, my bad...LAFFY gets the big bucks aand face plants also...so much inconsistency..nobody playing the game consistenly as they should (except CUYLLE)..Then again, they don't have to...the coach doesn't hold them accountable ..plus they have no worries with their big fat contract

PJ - I hope so...DRURY is the architect of all this with his horrenodus last two years including the TROUBS/GOODIE clusterfucks...but Laviolette is the one screwing the pooch on the day to day opertion...I figured a month more of this crap and DRury will throw him under the bus, but deservingly so

I don’t know…Is there a Knoblauch type out there that we could poach like the Oilers did to us….The retreads don’t work…

TDCHI - nd you say these things like your the only one who notices the underwhelming play of Laffy, Tro and so many others..The Wall is full of comments to the contrary...Only thing with ZBAD is that it is every fucking night...

But seriously, now that the only logical, obvious, potential coach got gobbled up by the Blues, who is out there worth pursuing? Not that I believe Drury will do anything but play pocket pool.

TDCHI - Ya know, I might do that if they were MINUS 26 (OK, -14) like the apathetic floating piece of shit ZBAD...Hell, the only other fowrqrds on the team in the minus category are Panarina/TRo at -1 (And TRO has been underwhelming also) and Berrard..but give him time to catch up

NYS…The core continues to get time due to the coach…So the coach is the problem right now…

TD. This is for you. ZZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIITTTTTTT! Bwahahhwhahh

Laviolette looking very uncomfortable in postgame interview…Is his seat hot?….

NYS…I believe you are actually agreeing with everyone…The core does need to be shaken up…Problem is Laviolette won’t do it any more than GG did..

Yeah sure. The coach sucks, but this is the third coach that this core group has tuned out. Something has to change to shake up the core. Sorry, but have been there done that with these guys. Could not win in the POs when they were playing well. Why think they can win a Cup now with this core? A year older and a year more stale. And what the hell has happened to Fox? Did he need knee surgery and opted to try and rehab it instead? Why do the Rangers look like they use the Tom Poti work out? They always seem to get pushed off the puck, out muscled, out worked in puck battles. They had more energy pushback tonight, but still came up short do to bad team defense. They just play a run and gun and hope for the best type game. So sure, the coach is a huge problem, but so is Drury for building this mess, and so are quite a few players. A shake up is needed ASAP but the Rangers MO is to wait until it is too late. We will probably see a bunch a shuffling of the deck chairs for now, then Drury makes some stupid deadline deals praying to strike lightning in a bottle, then when nothing works, he fires Laviolette with a couples weeks to go in the season, and names one the the assistants as interim head coach. Then what happens in the off season is anyone’s guess. Hope I am wrong, even though I am sure many of you would not believe it!

Breakouts were stuffed just like Edmonton and St Louis. It’s just not good enough. At least Kakko does the chip and chase. It’s hard to win when you can’t pull the other out and make some holes

Look at every guy who had over 19 minutes of ice, and you’ll see someone who played terrible today. And against the Blues. And against Edmonton. And against the Flames. THIS IS A COACHING PROBLEM.

PJ - I’d be very surprised if Z isn’t playing injured. Regardless, he ain’t the only one. Man, TROCHECK looked like a bag of assholes tonight. All he seemed to do was take penalties and run his mouth. And was LAFRENIERE even playing? Oh and PANARIN. I’ll give him credit for effort. He was actually backchecking…but man…the whole top six…stick handling on the blueline in a one goal game with five minutes left?! FFS. Get it deep. Dump and chase. Stop doing the same thing….why do they keep doing it? Well because the stupid fuck coach keeps rewarding them with ice.

ONly guy that really impressed me, and he rarely does, is EDSTROM...The team, even without that worthless piece of shit KREIDER, is still one big clusterfuck molded by the coach

TDCHI _ do you even read what other people post?..they have been posting that for a long time..so enough with the yelling!!! ..That said..Sour puss Meeka with over 20 minutes..1 SOG..0 hits..0 takes 0 bloncks..Yet that HOF coach rams him down everybody's throats...but that's no excuse for how bad the first line played..and a buch of others

Nice showing by the young hungry guys. Big money did jack shit. As far as Igor's new contract goes, the fact is no team in the salary cap era has won the Cup with their goalie as their highest paid player.

Top line no good…Igor gives up a couple of soft ones….Our D once considered the strength of this team is actually bad now…

Can’t say this enough. Can’t say this LOUD enough: THIS IS A COACHING PROBLEM. Plain and simple. If you can’t see it, you’re not watching or you’re fucking blind. THIS IS A COACHING PROBLEM.

I wonder if Igor and his agent are second guessing turning down that 88 million that was offered.

KIS - Yeah, we went over that this afternoon..DRury has been flat out incompetent for 2 years..and Laviolette this season has been mind boggling

I blame jury for this mess. He wanted to trade Truba over the summer. And he did trade Goudreau over the summer why old save money or create money to pay fucking Igor. I would've told Igor I will pay you X amount of dollars if you don't want that I can ship you off the fucking Detroit.

TDCHI -NOBODY is blaming it all on ZBAD..But most are just noting how much he fucking sucks this year.but how LAAVIOLETTE keeps plyaing him and playing himm.

I don’t think I could handle being a canes fan and having to listen to this PA announcer and the dang air horns for 41 games plus playoffs.

Rangers should leave Peter lardass at the curb like the Panthers did to gallant in Raleigh

kandre fuckin Miller.... I would stick a dead Willie Huber in some CCM supertaks and push him on the ice instead of this living stiff

Two shitty goals by Shesty! Rangers can’t catch a break! He makes so many great saves but gives up 2 softies!

another forced pass into the middle trying to exit the zone.. bad goal though by Shesty .. cannot let that go in

TDCHI - Yep, what many of us have been saying..Can't keep rewarding incompoetence....This is the first game in awhile where EDSTROM has impressed me..Looking much better

The guys playing the best are also the guys with the lowest TOI. The guys looking shaky? Yeah, guess what. There ice is…guys, this is a coaching issue.

Positively the lamest hockey chant in the history of the sport: “Ref, you suck.” If you find yourself chanting this, just punch yourself in the face.

Another observation: The Ranger D isn’t playing nearly as aggressive on the offensive blueline. They’re easily backed up.

so then Vesey-Crrick-Brodz? Yikes..and the Berrd-ZDecay-Cuylle?? Interesting combos for sure

Tuned in late..not getting the lines...What's the deal with KK? bencheed? Hurt? Marginalized?

Wow..goal by the Human Buzz saw and, of all people, Adam edstrom going to the net! Great play by Smith there

Man, this is just bad fundamentals all around. The Rangers are playing like a drunk beer league team. Worse, actually.

Rangers D should serve the canes turkey dinner right in the crease.... holy fuck... clear three guys out

The Rangers are also playing pond hockey. Too many guys moving out of position. Losing coverage. They have literally no structure.

That goal .. Rangers issues in a nutshell.. standing puck watching and surprised when the pass goes right through your legs to a guy cuttin to the net .. clueless play

Adam FOX is literally getting beaten to every puck. This is another major reason the Rangers are not firing this season: FOX has not been good. At all.

Agree second half of that period best ( not sayin much ) Rangers have played in 10 periods

A pulse for sure…Much better pressuring the puck…Better team second half of that period…

I have to say I've seen fifth grade orchestras in better synch than this team right now. Mind boggling. Funny, but losing that hand-pass challenge in Calgary seems to have re-aligned the universe. But Broddy to the rescue!

PJ. For sure. Players gonna force Dreary Dryry"s hand. Lardiolette fired and Peca interim head coach.

Sure looks like a team who has quit on its coach…We have more talent than this…

Shitty goal but Igor has already made 4 top rnd saves. Rangers are horrid right now.

Rhet0ric - Yeah, it KINDA makes sense...But that's essentially giving TROUBA away...AND eating salary...AND getting a forward who wouldn't really bring much in the way of what the Rangers need...Maybe if there were more names involved? There are some players in Anaheim I'd be interested in grabbing...Sam COANGELO for one...if Anaheim and the Rangers are the pairing, it begs the question of whether ZEGRAS is another guy in the mix.

In the end Lias begat Cuylle but what a mistake taking the former 5 picks before current NHL leading scorer Marcus Necas. Important to note that unlike the Rangers the Canes sent Necas back to Czech when he was 19 and then he spent his rookie year in the NHL

Is kreider really hirt or are they holdong him out due to possoble trades. I think its a huge mistake to trade him now. He can teach laffy and cullye so much. Trading him tells the rest of the team we give up. Let him play 3rd line

Tdchi that may be true. But who is the only traded for captain to win a cup and guarantee a win and make good on both. Just saying..what do we have to lose Drury who is awful.

vcp1994 - While I agree 110 percent with PJ, I'll point this out again: MESSIER hasn't been part of the Rangers' or any other team's plans in 15 years. Not as GM. Not as assistant GM. Not as coach. Not as assistant coach. Not even as a 'special advisor.' There's a reason for that. I can speculate why...and I have a very good idea why...but the bottom line is that either MESSIER or NHL teams...or more than likely...BOTH...are posing barriers to this sort of thing ever happening...one last point? Some of the greatest hockey minds to play the sport never worked out behind the bench or in the GM's seat. The two that come to mind are Phil ESPOSITO and...very sadly, Wayne GRETZKY. The list is much longer than those two...but they're the ones who come to mind.

TD... Yeah, those rumors always seemed more like fan-wish-type rumors to me. You don't think I know the difference between a rumor with some traction and the idiot that always thinks we're going to get Patrick Kane every year? :) ....Trouba for Vatrrano makes sense because of where both players are at right now. Then again, like I said, this time of the year is always a tough time of the year to pull off a deal. Teams tend to wait until closer to the trade deadline. BTW: Josh Gibson is also allegedly available for the Ducks.

PJ on messier your a silly boy..the only one to lead them to a cup in what year ?????

TDCHI - Sorry, I can't just be as 100% positive on most thing like you are becasue thigns do happen...but as i mentioned below and KREIDER correcly mentions, the only position the Rangers really are in right now are too ride it out to see if they can pull out of this funk....But, though I agree the incompetent DRURY isn't going anywhere until the team misses the POs..Not so sure that holds true for Big COuntry....Laviolette better find a way to fix IT, find a way to instill accountability, chemistry, structure, and intensity on these players, something he has totally failed to do this year..Another month of this shiT? Drury will have no job-preserving choice but to let him go..Just my take...Things can quickly snowball or get better..

TDCHI - I agree with your take on the predicament the Rangers have been on CHYTL for well over a year, more than I agree with your former take that his latest injury or any injury he suffers wasn't anything to worry about...Anyways, all they could have done and can do is hope he gets better (if he isn't already)..If he doesn't, then its LTIR and, if he does, play him for as long as his body/head allow and then deal with it again...It kinda sucks..just hope for the best for the kid

Rhet0ric - There were people last season saying we'd trade KAKKO for VATRANO and pushing that as a viable rumor. I think that one is rooted in the people who remember...really with rose-tinted glasses...that he was so good with KREIDER and Z. I guess that sort of move would advance the clock and bring MANCINI into the fold full-time...but that's a very big risk to take at this juncture in the season...and not one I really see the Rangers doing.

mf - the guys you'll get out of Seattle are BJORKSTRAND, BURAKOVSKY and GOURDE. TOLVANEN is possible, but not likely. Dudes like WRIGHT? Nope. Not unless PERREAULT is going the other direction.

If you can't see what the Rangers would be missing without KREIDER, you really don't know hockey. At all. Simple as that.

Hospo - Truth is neither is happening. LAVIOLETTE has this season unless it REALLY goes off the rails. And the core has this season...unless it REALLY goes off the rails. Whatever Freidman was babbling about was intended to send a message...one that even a casual observer sitting at a keyboard can see through like granny's 50-year-old undies. The only way a deal happens is if it makes a whole fuck load of sense. The only teams that would happen with would be ones we've already discussed...basically the Preds, Sens and maybe the Wings...you might be able to get another team's problem...We talked about JT MILLER...and honestly, that's the one scenario I could see...were it not for the Rangers already knowing MILLER's issues pretty clearly...I think the idea of bringing in a proven leader like O'REILLY has certain appeal. But are the Preds willing to do that? And who are you moving in the other direction? Literally, the only two guys who could easily be moved out of the top six are SMITTY Jr. and LAFRENIERE. And SMITTY Jr...what sense does that make? So this is posturing. Pretty silly posturing, TBH. I guess there's a chance DRURY does something truly stupid and trades KAKKO...But that's a pretty big leap of faith...if that falters...that's it for him after the season.

ColoradoMark - LOL forgot about that one!! OK, I'm convinced. Give him the team!

So we're also now JUST noticing Larry Brooks is a fucking hypocrite and an idiot to boot?! I positively refuse to read that fuck's columns any more they're so pointless...Here's the thing: It AIN'T the players, folks. Certainly, they play a role. But the BIG problem here started with LAVIOLETTE relying so intensely on PP1 and then not having faith in players other than those five when it comes to the rest of the game. He constantly wants to stack up and try to get a mismatch line, when this year especially, he has 12 forwards who are perfectly capable of taking a regular shift in just about any situation. The fact he's only NOW beginning to use CUYLLE more is emblematic of the problem he and his two predecessors keep having, which is falling madly in love with the skill set of his top six/top four. I get it. It's easy to do. But it's just not how the game is played any more unless you have McDAVID and DRAISAITL on your bench, which we don't.

TD- Don't forget Mess coached the Pee Wee Rangers in the Quebec tournament with his dad!

vcp1994 - The Rangers are between a rock and a hardplace with CHYTIL. They can move him, but they're not getting anything for him. Simple as that. Team isn't even going to risk a fifth rounder on a player like that. They probably could've done something with him last summer, but they wouldn't have gotten anything close to value for him. You can argue the right move was to cut bait with him and use his salary last summer...there IS an argument there...but DRURY, TBH, did the right thing and gave the kid a shot at resuscitating his career where it began. He'll have that chance for the rest of the season or until he retires. Simple as that...I'll also add that if the Rangers had even an inking about moving on from him, he'd be on the IR right now.

vcp.... tonight we win because everyone has us losing... so once we win, the fanbase will have a shot of heroin to the arm....

The closest Mark MESSIER has ever come to being a coach or GM was with briefly with Hockey Canada 15 years ago. That's despite being a living legend in Edmonton and New York. And now he's going to be the savior of the Rangers? Huh. Color me skeptical. Deeply skeptical.

ANDREI - Kredier i hope is not going anywhere but if he does it won't be to a bottom half team with no PO aspirations, it will be to a team that wants to win the cup..and that means likey youngster/picks would be the return...Troubs and his salary and recent play won't fetch much all except a midling vet or futures..and he still holds all the cars..Makes no sense to deal him low right now....Kreider has it right...fight through...If you make a change, make it at the top..or if you can blackmail someone into taking ZABD and having waive his NMC

Hospo, personally, I have never said that Rangers should go all in with the kids. That would be dumb, as most kids down in Hartford are simply not ready yet. There is zero reasons to rush them in. Just like I don't see a scenario where Trouba is simply traded for futures. Not many teams can simply absorb $8 mil salary. There will be NHL salary's coming back. Just like if Kreider is traded, and that's a big if, NHL players will be coming back, unless we are at the trade deadline and Rangers looking at missing playoffs possibility. So if any trade do happen, there will be vets coming back. For the same reason I don't see Miller traded, unless young top NHL talent is coming back.

OH..words from Kreidr today (I think)...“I think it’s pretty obvious there’s frustration, angst, tension. Good. We’re 20 games in. Let’s go through this shit now and figure out who we are. We had the best regular season in the history of an Original Six franchise last year, won a Presidents’ Trophy and didn’t go as far as we would’ve liked. We’re getting exposed right now. Our warts are out there and teams are picking on the things we don’t do well and we’ve gotten away from the things we do do well. “We don’t necessarily know what this is right now, right? This could just be part of the story. We look back at this and say, ‘This made us better.’”...Pretty diplomatic and no finger pointing above

Kreider not playing again tonight..I am adamant that dealing him is assinine...And, again, what is it with DRURY, just like with the Troubs situation and now with him begging other GMs for deal and specifying players, and everything going public? Does this guy know how to do his job? OTOH, maybe it his psychological ploy to get them to play better becasue Laviolette does shiot..or,, trying to find a way to take the spot light off how putrid and Kamensky-like ZBAD and his life time contract has been???

ANDREI - First off, what you or I think about the leaders means jack shit..It's what the players on the team think..And, right now, it's all relative to who is on the team NOW....From everything I have read and seen, everybody on the team admires and respects Kreider and TROUBs..You ask CUYLLE and KAKKAO, (even REMPE) what they think about Kredier and the work he has put in with them over the past 6 months...Then look at what guys like Panarina and ZBAD do.....which is zilch.....TROUBS indeed was well repected and admired by the entire team also...But, I can't lie, I don't know what the hell is going on with Troubs now after how DRURY screwed everything over the summer with Troubs and Goodie..Maybe his head is elsewhere...So, yeah, I could see dealing him and getting nothing but some finesse douchebag becasue of Drury's fuck up..but it also leaves a huge hole come PK time and PO time...But, right or wrong, I know you don't care about this years PO's or for the next few years becasue it's all about the kids and the future..I don't give a shit about most of the kids becasu they ain't helping to win a cup anytime soon

Let DD drury trade the team instead of first firing the coach . Then Dolan will fire both of them. Back to square one with a new letter.

Haspo, where this "strong" leaders came from? Outside of helmet throwing to the stands, i see nothing from Trouba, and i see even less from Kreider. If anything, this team needs desperately needs a new leadership team, or at the minimum, a leader or two. I'm serious, where is the notion that Kreider is a leader is coming from. Sure, he the most tenure Ranger on the roster, but I have never heard from any reporters covering Rangers how Kreider is this non-dispensable leader in the locket room. I heard that Goodrow was. To me, the biggest Laviolette's mistake from the training camp was not stripping Trouba off his captaincy, after Rangers made is clear he is not part of the their long term plans. That "C" should have came off the day one of the camp.

Z bad is the player that needs to go. He is the rotten apple ruining everybody else. Kreider should stay and play third line and special teams. He is excellent on both special teams. Truba, the organization fucked that up this summer. He's the type of player that the fans and the team are gonna want come the playoffs. He knows he's not wanted that the organization showed no loyalty. Because of that he's playing like shit. If he gets traded, let's hope the Rangers don't play against him because he's going to crush somebody. Fox needs to wake up as well because he sucks this way. Last I don't think that this team is in good shape at all. Their fitness is horrible.

RF73 - We obviously agree about this team rotting from the head down..Unfortuantely, Dolan is clueless and unless he gets a call from the Buffoon from Banf-f-f-f..Drury is safe until they miss the POs..Thus,, Laviolette with his track record in the modern game has to have a short rope right now......And to VCP's question, this team may not need a great new coach compared to jsut getting somebody competent who would not be doling out ice time and managing the roster the way Laviolette has been this year...All that said, I don't think Laviolette is in any danger yet and hope he comes to his senses...If he doesn't, trades won't matter...As for these potential trades, again, dealing strong leaders like KREIDER and TROUBS (yes, Drury turned this into a horrid situation) while being stuck with ZBAD gobbling up ice time and being even higher in team pecking order will accomplish little

The more I ponder it the more I realize Drury really has been a lousy GM. I realize it's tough to say that with a team that's been to the final 4 2 of the best 3 seasons but think about what got them there in both instances: 1) Ridiculously superb goaltending 2)A team primarily made up of Jeff Gorton accumulated assets. Besides Goodrow who in both years was a key contributor to those PO runs, who did Drury add that made a difference? Three years ago perhaps the collective add of all those deadline acquisitions but in the end, none were of any help against the Bolts. And what did it cost the organization? A ton of picks that it be hurting it down the road (if they aren't already). Last year, none of the deadline acquisitions did much and all cost additional picks. For any trade you can argue he won, he's lost 2 or 3 and that includes some embarrassing fleecings. He's on coach number 3 and his latest choice is floundering 16 months later. He's changed strategies twice now: Year 1 was all about adding aggressive and grit - fast forward to now and most of that is gone. Why the change in direction? Of course, we'll never know because he's got zero PR capabilities. The Goodrow and Trouba fiascos occurred in year 4 of his tenure suggesting that he's not learned very much on the job. Now this: A struggling club with a group of veterans underachieving, 2 of which he's gifted with long term fat deals complete with NMCs and an alleged publicly acknowledge memo issued to every GM about the Rangers looking to make trades. If all of this wasn't so pathetic it'd be funny. Only in RangerLand!

In regard to KREIDER being traded: Maybe you see what you're being offered out there, but you can't move Chris Kreider. That's JMO.

There are trade some rumors about Trouba, Lindgren, and K'Andre Miller. The Trouba trade rumors seem to have the most steam and there are rumors that's he'd prefer being traded to the West Coast. The current rumor dujour is him being move in a deal for VATRANO. Frankie V is currently struggling and the deal would make sense for both teams. It's a bit of a gamble with his current struggles but I think you have to do it. We'd likely have to eat seem of Trouba's deal(just like the rumored deal we were looking at in the summer), but you got to do it. I think it would also mean that you'd have to move a forward(Smith?), but that could wait until the deadline. It's usually hard doing deals this time of the year because most teams are still trying to figure out what they are. I guess we'll see.

My biggest problem with DRURY(of late), is the way he handled(mishandled) trading of GOODROW and the failure to move TROUBA. It's not that I wasn't in favor of both players, but it was the way that it was handled. All Drury needed to do was have a conversation with both players. Let them know that you value them but you need to move them for the good of the team. That's the way the LIGHTNING always did it and it worked pretty well for them. No one want's to leave but they get it, it's a business. Drury decided to do the opposite. The team didn't seem to take it too well. To add salt in an open wound, we kept Trouba here after not being able to deal him. Even if he was the most positive person, he has to think he's a dead man walking in the back of his mind. Case in point, when he talked to the media right after, he said he told the guys that this was their last around as a team to get it done. Not: this is my last go around with this team, but "us." That never sat well with me. I've seen some great people get "blacked out" and never realize that they were. That's where I believe Trouba's head space is and he needs to get moved yesterday. Am I saying, he is a cause for all their problems? No. But he is a problem that needs to be fixed and a change of scenery will do him well. JMO, of course.

The good news is the rangers won't get booed they are in NC. If I was ever to bet on a game this would be the one.

Unfortunately, Dolan HAS TO GET INVOLVED!...That is the only way he will recognize that the coach is not the only problem….His wonder boy Dreary has done nothing but sh!t the bed during his tenure…and by selling assets Dreary and Lardass are only trying to protect their phony baloney jobs (harrumph!, harrumph!, harrumph!)…Dreary damaged the team during the off-season….both by the moves he made/didn’t make and Lardass looks completely lost right now, with no answers on how to right the ship / or to even accept any responsibility…yes, a few of the current roster need to be moved but keeping BOTH Dreary and Lardass at the helm will do nothing to help now and more importantly for the future.

The first step should be saying goodbye to lardass . He can’t talk and chew gum. And he refuses to recognize that he’s the one not pushing defense first. Housley is a waste. Baldy the ghost is a professional hider. Lardy wants speed offense and magician goalies. Oh and “ we have to get better and do a lot of things better “. DD drury is trying to help his coach because he’s clueless, and is a cya sneak artist, and doesn’t want Dolan firing his cya ass. All signs point to the players not listening to their marble mouth coach . If missing Mr chypil is the official excuse, then just wave the white flag now. There’s only lip service about the cup. It’s not the marketing plan.

PJ - Spot on about KREIDER..The troubles start at the top and the way Drury and Laviolettte are running things..Yes, there are problems and ZBAD is the biggest waste of flesh..but the lack of accoutability, structure and discipline and the play it has lead to lays on the shoulders of Laviolette and Drury..The former not willing to do enough.for the play on ice..and both having a hand in turning a team toxic...Yes, this team was missing a piece or two last year but it was always a well knit and close team...now it is in shambles...As for Drury's moves, I am sorry, he has been pathetic the last few years and not a guy you want to trust making deals ..Think about his most recent moves for a team that WAS in a Cup window.....Going backwards..Screw up the Trouba situation, mishandle the Goodrow trade, Riley smith for draft pick, Signed the great Sam Carrick and Casey Fitzjarrald an as UFA, Alex Wienerberr, Roslovic and Chad Ruwedle all for picks for zero deadline help,, signing Nick Bonino and Tyler Pitlick, Waiving Ty Emberson, Signed Jonathan Quick and the ancient Blake Wheeler..And then before that the roster virus of Kane….and other FA deals and trades..The only move that stands out as good is QUICK, the rest stretch form so-so to absolutly horrrid

Kreider has nine goals which is second on the team….i agree with those who say Z is doing absolutely nothing….How would Kreider have a bunch of assists playing with someone who won’t shot and when he does typically whiffs….Kreider is a minus one….Laff is a minus 8….Kreider is playing with Z and Smith….Laff with Trocheck and Panarin who leads the team in scoring…Has Kreider been good? Hell no but our entire top six has played like shit…And I am tired of hearing that Miller is good statistically…He has been awful and with his skills has four points so far…He has gotten worse not better….The Rangers problems include many and Z leads the list…

DCIGolfer: good to read you chiming in. Tolvanen is a player brought up last season prior to Drury signing SMITH. RF: Wyatt Johnson: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/j/johnswy01.html

Too bad Ron Francis is no easy mark. ZBad and Kreider for Shane Wright, Tolvanen and either Dman Price or Fleury. This would shake it up and stock our C, RW and D moving forward. Kust throwing shit against the wall. The real answer is to fire Lavi and grab a coach that will allot icetime based on performance and not the back of a hockey card!

So if the guys we need to move now can't be moved(i.e. Z, Trouba) what is a new GM going to do? There are two options....1) you wait/hope for Lavy to right the ship 2) you fire him and hopefully a new coach can come in here to turn things around.

mf: Shane Wright remains an intriguing prospect IMO but he is struggling a bit to establish himself. That said, he won't turn 21 until January so that's nothing unique. Wyatt Johnson is off to a very slow start for Dallas - I highly doubt he'd be available but with Logan Stankoven surpassing him in scoring and looking like the real deal maybe something can be done with the Stars. They continue to look for defense - can a deal involving Miller be worked out?

FYI: Seattle's RW Jordan Eberle is out for 3 months, and they may be interested in listening. They have C Shane WRIGHT. Never seen WRIGHT play, but he was a 1st round #4 overall pick just a few seasons ago.

To no surprise, I have to disagree with many. This team is not winning a cup with Kreider, ZShit, Trouba and Lindgren. Totally understand attachment to certain players, but what if that player is one of the major problems on this team, and only way team can move forward is to trade that player? Said it before that if it was up to me, Kreider and ZShit would have never got resigned, so my view is certainly bios, but I have to really question Kreider's leadership. Based don my experience in sports, there are two types of team leaders, vocal one and leader that lead by example. Obviously, I'm not in the locker-room, but I'm having a hard time seeing Kreider being vocal and motivating players, he does not seems to be that type. Sure as hell can't lead by example. How can he motivate someone and then go out on the ice and do nothing but float and skate around in circles? Just want to understand, why he is important to this team, that he can't be traded? Just so we clear, he has 4 even strength point in 19 games, all goals. Averaging, what? 17 minutes a game? Will Cuylle has 16, averaging 11. Kakko has 10, averaging 13. Reilly Smith has 9 5v5 points, averaging 15 minutes. So what exactly Rangers will be missing if Kreider is traded tomorrow? 3 PP goals and no assists? Maybe his $6 mil salary could be used to get one, or possibly two players that will be better suited for this team and will actually produce?

Gonna be tough for Drury to do anything with the contracts he has. Team feels the regular season is a waste, played hard all last year, won President Trophy and burned out in semis against a bigger better team. Mentally tough to stay motivated if their thought is to play well enough just to get into playoffs. 1st place means nothing. JMHO

Hospo: Yes, a rock and a hard place for sure. It's a messy mess that could easily get messier as the season rolls on. If so, at what point will Dolans finally have enough and if that occurs, what will he do?

RF4L _ i gave my take on who should go and why--DRURY and Laaviolette first...but that isn't happening...So next step is "trade the core"..If so, the guys that should go would be ZBAD, and ZBAD and ZBAD and Troubs..Nobody will touch ZBAD now and TRoubs will bring back a minmal return...The only reason to trade Kreider is that he is the the only option Drury has ( I think).. he has the highest value, a VG player, a VG contract and a close to elite player that does things nobody else does in the NHL..and he is a respected leader on ice and in the locker room...All the reasons why he should stay a Ranger!!!!!!! Yeah,he would bring back a great return...which is fine if you building for 4 years down the lien..But that return is cancelled if You keep ZBAD the albatross, the apathetic, moping useless assistant Captain on the roster....Honestly, I think they need to try and figure things out with no trades but a move at the top..That doesn't work, your seson is over ...and you deal

Pretty bad: For the season, the Rangers rank first in the league in high-danger scoring chances for at five-on-five but 29th in high-danger chances against.

The best solution is perhaps firing Drury. He's made more mistakes than the opposite since coming on board and seems to be incapable of learning from those mistakes. Alas, with Dolans as the decision maker, how much confidence do we have in his ability to make the right hire? Nob for Life has been fooling him for 24+ years and he fired JD and Gorton, the latter who is responsible for 18 of the 23 players on the current roster.

Maybe Drury can trade himself. Time to go back to running pizza joints you fool.

So LB writes an article about needing to get rid of the old guard/core then the next day says not to trade Kreider who is part of that old guard/core. Also in that core (as he mentioned in the first article) are Z, P, Trouba and even Trocheck (who's in year 2 of that position). Z, P and Trocheck all have NMCs. That leaves Trouba who Drury already tried to trade. Therefore, if one feels it's time to jettison the old guard/core, it's Kreider and Trouba. Maybe you put Z in the pressbox, too? I don't know. I do like Kreider tho. What a mess. Drury is one helluva GM, isn't he?

Trading Chris Kreider would send the wrong kind of Rangers message By Larry Brooks Published Nov. 26, 2024, 6:56 p.m. ET

Unless you are doing a rebuild and giving up on the next 3 years, trading KREIDER makes zero sense..IF that's what they want to do..Fuck the Rangers..But the ones really fucking the Rangers have been Drury and every single shitty move he has made since last summer and capping it off with his screwing the proverbial pooch on the enitire Goodie/Trobs situtaions and all the bull shit call ups and demotions he has made this fall....People talk about the loss of chemistry and locker room? well, duh! And he has not shone one iota of evidence that he can build a winner .The guy needs to go NOW!!!!he won't of course...And then we have Laviolette with his dumbfounding, non-accountable coaching style and total lack of structure, discipline and motivtion..They don't go, they will only be switching chairs on the deck of the SS Minow

Chytil has to go he can't stay healthy. Question is what can you get probably a 5th rounder.so you keep him and wait what the heck is regular season nothing to lose.

vcp, I’m not even expecting forechecking from Krieder, he never was a physical playerr to begin with, but all he is now is an excellent PK specialist. You get no production even strength and barely anything on PP. Yes, he stands in front of the goal on PP, and sometimes tips in a goal. Can you explain how a player that plays all situations, PK, PP, 4 on 4, empty netters, major minutes even strength, etc, and not to have a single assist. 9 goals, zero assists. Zero?? Again, a lot has to do with ZShit as his partner and how much ZShit struggles, and I’m not comparing Krieder to any other player. My point is that having great wheels is great. It’s a great tool, but when the player refuses to utilise his assets, how much value does he bring to the table, and whether the team is better with this player or not. Personally, I much rather see a kid in place of Kreider in the lineup. It’s time. That’s said, I really don’t expect a major deal happening any time soon. I’m afraid we have the team we have.

Hire a real leader with no gm experience and it should be the captain messier. Sather screwed that up among his many foibles . But I’m sure there are others to choose from. The DD drury memo will be his downfall. And his coach mumbling lard ass has no specifics about what he needs to do. Memo to lardy, start with playing good team defense . It’s not rocket science. Together they are the roast beef brothers, hump and rump.

Who could possibly replace Drury???? Who is out there , no idea. No coaches either. It's the players how many coaches can we go through???

Andrei kreider doesn't forecheck I said that already. He is good on breakaways, PP,PK, tips ins ..that's about it for the money he is a threat but ideally doesn't want and won't use his body he wants a long career. It's his choice..how many players are willing to sacrifice for a cup I am unsure.

vcp, "Although kreider isn't physical, doesn't forecheck, doesn't raise his intensity level in the playoffs"... If these reasons not enough to trade him now, i don't know what other reason you need. "Speed" is good. Rico Fata was fast, very fast. problem was that he could only skate straight. That's said, let's talk about Kreider. When was the last time you saw Kreider really use his famous "speed" even strength? When was the last time you saw Kreider take on a guy and beat him using his speed, or drive to the net, or get back backchecking and defend a guy to prevent scoring chance? Kreider is much problem on this team as ZShit. They both love to float at the blue line, just not much else Not as bad ZShit, sure, but equally useless even strength. Smith is another one, but it could very well be due to the playing with those two. At least I can see Smith being productive on the 4th line, over Jbro and Jimmy Feeses.

Who could shmucko Dolan get to replace i cant make a trade Drury. Is sather waiting lololol. That would be the ultimate comic strip. Although kreider isn't physical, doesn't forecheck, doesn't raise his intensity level in the playoffs. He is still a durable player for the money and fast as hell. Put him on the third line.

“It doesn’t really matter,” Trouba said after the Rangers’ optional practice. “I’m happy to be here. I’m focused on playing hockey. Can’t really control that, I think I learned that throughout the summer. Gotta kind of walk all that out and focus on playing hockey with this group here and being the best we can be.” Trouba said that he and Drury have not spoken about the report.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/26/sports/rangers-ship-matt-rempe-back-to-hartford-after-one-game-stint/

I'm sympathetic to the Stevielegs'"Peter Principle" incompetence theory regarding Dreary, but I also think it would be helpful to the MSG minions to burn all their copies of "Organize Your System the NY Jets' Way." I don't think they understand that it's a cautionary tale rather than an ownership manual. Dreary Drooly truly must go.

And of course this isn't all on Zbad nor is he the only one. But it started with him and despite getting more icetime most games vs most other forwards, he continues to suck the big one. And he's getting worse.

This all points to Dd drury who is trying on the job learning because he insisted on being the gm and the president like he knew both jobs. And so far he’s proving he doesn’t. He thinks leadership travels from being a captain of a team to being the gm. Guess he’s afraid Trouba might get his job. Or maybe the owner is talking to lard ass about it. The peter principle is alive.

And the 'Z defenders remain silent'...You're gonna watch last night's game...and your takeaway is that ZIBANEJAD was the holy evil? Holy fuck, guys. TROCHECK? Meh? LAF? Meh? SMITTY Jr.? Meh? LAF...Meh? They're all just cruising around just fine?! Fucking take the blinders off. The ONLY guy from the top six who shows any sign of life is PANARIN...and even HE has been awful. Holds the puck too long. Takes stupid shots. Makes EGRIGIOUS turnovers. Oh and Adam FOX. Let's start a quick little chat about him. Whole TEAM is playing like shit. The few exceptions are KAKKO, CUYLLE, VESEY, EDSTROM and CARRICK. Shit, folks here are even bashing EDSTROM over some of the top-line gliders. This team lives and dies with it's top six. When one is misfiring? They usually still win. When two are misfiring? No bueno. ALL FUCKING SIX are misfiring. And don't point to Bread's points and tell me he's looking good out there, because he's not. He's been terrible at distributing the puck...OH...and for y'all bashing players for being soft...Check out LAFRENIERE'S game since he got his big payday. There's a whole lotta heads up their arses...Not just Z. He's got long hair and a weird name, so I guess he makes sense to abuse...but maybe spread the wealth.

RF4L - C'mon dude. Bubbling away since the start of the season? That's just not true. Florida was the first real poor performance, and the Caps game, as bad as it was, turned out to be an improvement. This is NOT something that started the season. There were hiccups, yes. But not what we're seeing now. Shit, even against Florida they played better than they did last night or on Saturday.

JFC31 - You're gonna get bad info if you're reading the diaper wearing dotard columnist at the Post. Only thing you'll learn from him is how to scream at clouds...Tell me this, which sounds closer to reality? The Rangers asked TROUBA for his 15-team list at the draft, almost a week earlier than he was due to furnish it, he provided it and one of the teams on it was Detroit. They asked him to waive it, and he said 'no thanks.' End of story....or...or...OR...The Rangers, without asking for TROUBA's no trade list, arranged deal with Detroit, and were just waiting for signatures to dry, somehow keeping it quiet from TROUBA up until the last second...then miraculously, it was leaked to TROUBA, who said his wife couldn't leave NYC and quickly scrambled to adjust his list to block the deal at her behest, thereby scuttling the deal and making management look bad...and FURTHER...that he wouldn't report to a team IF he was traded, thereby potentially voiding his $8 million contract and leaving $16 million on the table...Which, I ask again, sounds more plausible?

Dunno what games you were watching TD but there was concern expressed earlier on, including losses to Florida (game 9) and then the Caps (game 11). Game 2 against the Islanders as it turns out was a foreshadow to what was coming down the pipe - a 5 2 loss where the Rangers were outshot 38 to 22. And I'm not even getting into the wins where Igor was the main factor. This fiasco, in other words, didn't just abruptly appear in the past few days - it's been bubbling away basically since the start of the season. It's simply gotten worse.

And just to level set here...There were ZERO of these concerns or problems in the first eight or nine games of the season. There was some talk about them playing loose defensively...but the rest of the team was firing, and they weren't letting the flood gates open up like they are now with shots. There has been a change. If it was within the locker room, it's a change that has happened in the past couple weeks...which is why I say it has nothing to do with anything from over the summer or after the conference final exit...this is a NOW issue...Frankly, to me, it looks like a rift growing between the coach and his players. Either he's asking them to do too much or they're flat-out not listening to him. If the latter is the case, there's a real easy way to handle that doesn't involve putting out idle threats to trade veterans out to rumor mongers...either way, at 12-7-1 heading into December, I really can't see this team doing something draconian.

The issue, folks, is the guy behind the bench once again...the last time this team was playing like this was when a fellow named GALLANT was pulling the same EXACT levers that LAVIOLETTE is currently pulling. This is like fucking Ground Hog's Day all over again, and it bemuses me to no end that nobody is remembering this...first, PP1 went dead. Like totally dead. They were O-fer a lot and had dropped to average...even below average...the team was giving up a TON of shots and getting rescued by their tender...and then they got bounced quick by the Devils and that was all she wrote for GALLANT...Same EXACT problems now. ZERO structure to this team over the past 10 games. ZERO. They're playing pond hockey, simple as that. You can point to whatever player you want, but it's a collective effort...and either it means they've tuned out LAVIOLETTE or he's having them play a game they don't want to play or that they ARE listening to him and his whole approach just sucks...I'll say this: I don't know how the fuck a coach can look at his top two lines and his top PP unit and come away with 'hey, let's give these guys more minutes.' Zero idea. He continues to load ice on his top two lines until the game is out of reach. And it's just a fool's errand...Now...I'm not saying the players AREN'T to blame...they shoulder a lot of it, for sure...but there is ONE guy sending them over the bench, and the way he's been doing it has defied all conventional logic...Like, I wish I could send him a fucking text and have him pour through the last two dozen or so box scores from GALLANT'S tenure...you notice some real distinct similarities...

No need to trade Kreider as maddening as he can be at $6.5m he provides good value for the dollar. Mika, Lindgren and Trouba are not worth their salaries. Trochek needs to start contributing he hasn’t done much. Panarin lazy defensive board play also cost us last night.

Since Both Trouba and Kreider have 15 team no-trade clauses, Sending the "memo" to 31 teams was more about letting teams know they are available. If a team NOT on the 15 team list for either player is interested, a third team will need to be involved. There is no way a player can refuse a trade without getting suspended.

JFC- I think there is confusion over the Trouba situation: If Drury had a trade on the table with Detroit and Detroit wasn't on Trouba's 15 team no-trade list then he would have been traded. Nothing Trouba could do about it. No one has spokedn about any of this other than rumors talked about by Brooks and others who followed. Rumors about Trouba being traded came out I think several days before the list was officially due. Brooks reported that Trouba changed his list to add Detroit to the list because of his wife's residency. Who knows how much of any of that is true. Brooks is a polarizing figure on the wall and I can't say I am in the "Brooks has reliable sources" camp, but that's just me. If it is true, then it is within the rights of his contract to put Detroit on the list and whomever leaked the story caused the trade to fall through. Just like Drury was legally allowed to put Goodrow on waivers. It is a business and all these guys are allowed to use whatever clause in their contract is at their disposal. And More power to any of these gusy negotiating what they want. That's the essence of capitalism and I have no problem with any of it. We can criticize the contracts all we want and bottom line it's on the GM for giving them NTC. As much as we talk about loyalty and willingness to put the team first, at the end of the day it is a business and these players livelihoods. They are going to do what is best for them.

From Baugh & Staple at The Athletic: “ League sources confirmed Monday a report from Elliotte Friedman that Rangers general manager Chris Drury has sent word to the NHL’s other 31 GMs that the Rangers are open to a trade. And, those sources said, captain Jacob Trouba and longest-tenured Ranger Chris Kreider were mentioned specifically by name in the leaguewide missive. Putting those two prominent Rangers on the trading block 19 games into the season signifies that Drury believes the team’s core needs a major adjustment. Even short of a trade, sending that information out to all the other NHL GMs guarantees that word will get out publicly, as it did in fairly short order. So if, as seems likely, this was a way of sending a message to the team and its veteran leadership, it still says that the Rangers are in a bit of disarray. As one director of player personnel put it: “Something must be wrong in that room.” That source and other executives and agents around the league were granted anonymity for this article to allow them to speak about their teams’ and agencies’ internal dealings with the Rangers, as was a source with the Rangers. Here’s what we’re hearing from them about the situation: First off, it’s pretty clear that trading either Kreider or Trouba would be a difficult task right now. Trouba has a year left on his deal at an $8 million average annual value. Kreider has two years at $6.5 million. Both have 15-team no-trade clauses, too. Trouba has already stared this situation down, having been approached by Drury about a possible trade five months ago. The Rangers were hopeful that Trouba would be amenable to a move ahead of July 1, when he was to submit his 15-team no-trade list. But Trouba wasn’t willing to uproot his young son and his wife, Dr. Kelly Trouba, who still had a year to go on her residency at a New York City hospital. That may have caused some ill will between the team and its captain, who understands that after this season he’s almost certain to be moved to create salary-cap flexibility. Kreider, who coincidentally will miss Monday’s game against the St. Louis Blues with an upper-body injury, hasn’t been in this situation in years. There was some talk of moving him approaching the 2019-20 trade deadline, but he instead signed a seven-year extension for a relatively team-friendly number. And he has outperformed that deal by quite a long way during Drury’s tenure as GM. His 136 goals since the start of 2021-22 are tied for ninth in the league. Neither player would welcome a move at the moment. That’s clear. And it’s hard to see how a team that might want a top-six wing or a middle-pair defenseman could fit either player onto their cap so early in the season and want to commit to either player beyond this season. Now, to the message-sending, what appears to be the crux of Drury’s leaguewide blast message. The Rangers are pleased with the play of their young players, with Will Cuylle, Braden Schneider and Zac Jones earning bigger minutes this season than last. Kaapo Kakko and Filip Chytil may still qualify as young at 25 and 24, and they’re playing well, too, though Chytil was set to miss his fifth straight game with an upper-body injury on Monday. Alexis Lafrenière has also been continuing his good play from last season, having earned a seven-year, $7.45 million AAV But the team’s veteran core, outside of Artemi Panarin and goalies Igor Shesterkin and Jonathan Quick, has not quite led the way. Kreider is second on the team with nine goals, but his line with Mika Zibanejad and Reilly Smith has been under 50 percent in generating scoring chances and goals. Vincent Trocheck, Drury’s big free-agent addition from the summer of 2022, has just 10 points in 19 games despite leading Rangers forwards in ice time. And Trouba is only one of the Rangers’ top-four defensemen who has struggled this season. Ryan Lindgren, a pending unrestricted free agent, hasn’t been his usual steady self since returning from a broken jaw and isn’t currently playing alongside Adam Fox, his longtime defense partner. K’Andre Miller, a pending restricted free agent, has just four points in 19 games despite moving into the top pair and getting some early power-play time. Fox is among the league leaders with 17 assists but hasn’t scored a goal. When your veterans aren’t performing, there is little a GM can do. They are the ones with long-term deals and no-trade or no-move clauses, which limits how much management can alter the roster. Drury’s message may not be intended to find a trade partner at the moment, but it certainly should be received as a “no one is safe” threat from above. Will it work? Trouba hasn’t exactly set the season on fire since his tumultuous week in late June, though he’s hardly been the biggest issue. Kreider, who could become just the sixth Ranger to play 900 games at the end of the season, hasn’t been under much heat from management or the coaching staff since his youthful days playing for John Tortorella, and that’s the way he likes to operate. How Kreider responds to this will be telling. He’s a quiet but respected person in the locker room and close with Zibanejad, another important Ranger with a long-term deal, a no-move clause and a disappointing start to this season. Monday also will be just the fifth game Kreider has missed since the start of the 2021-22 season, so we will see if his absence due to injury will be felt as well. It’s a gamble by Drury, as it was when he sent Barclay Goodrow out the door just before the Trouba drama in June. Goodrow’s contract, a six-year, $3.642 million AAV deal, signed by Drury as one of his first acts as GM, was a burden, but the way the Rangers handled Goodrow’s exit did not sit well with some teammates. Goodrow was informed by Drury that the Rangers were placing him on waivers 15 minutes before the waiver announcement. And the Sharks, run by former Drury adviser Mike Grier, were ready to scoop Goodrow up in what seemed to be a planned claim, with no asset going back to New York. So if any complacency has set in with this team, it would be a surprise, given the summer that just transpired. And the leaguewide message naming specific players? One former GM told The Athletic on Monday that he usually reserved that tactic until just before he was going to place someone on waivers. “You’re just making one last effort to get something back,” he said. Neither Kreider nor Trouba have no-move clauses, so they can be placed on waivers. But would Drury try something that drastic in the middle of the season, with no obvious replacement for either player? That’s a stretch. This is another Cup-or-bust season for the Rangers, though. Perhaps nothing is off the table. Drury still has to get Shesterkin’s contract done, as well as an extension for Cuylle, one of the team’s best forwards so far and coming off his entry-level deal at the end of the season. Kakko and Miller are RFAs. Lindgren and Quick are UFAs. The 2025 offseason was already going to bring change for the Rangers. If they can’t stop their middling play so far — despite the record, they are 2-6-0 against teams over .500 and rank in the bottom third of the league in most defensive metrics — the change may come sooner. We certainly learned that Monday.”

VCP - I’ve never read or heard anything about a clause in Trouba’s contract that allows him to refuse a trade to his approved teams based on his wife’s residency status. To my understanding, he simply REFUSED to accept a trade and that is utter bullshit. I agree with Brooks…Drury should trade him AGAIN and if he refuses to leave, then SUSPEND his ass and take his cap hit off the books….and do it NOW.

This is definitely an issue of a black cloud hanging over the locker room, caused by several factors. #1 is the Trouba shit from the off-season. It’s like living with someone who has a terminal illness…it’s depressing and gives a feeling of an inevitable bad ending. Every one of them knows that this is Trouba’s last season with this team.How is it possible,to have a lame-duck Captain and think that’s not gonna create problems? When a Presidentbis a lame duck, what happens? His allies start jockeying for position in the next election and his words hold less weight than before because everyone is ,oozing out for themselves instead of the “team.” IMO, that’s what is happening in the Rangers locker room. Have you noticed how much less Trouba is available after games? Also, the cold-blooded way Barkley Goodrow got released takes the “fun” out of the locker room and slaps a big reality onto everyone that they are just pawns and hockey is a BUSINESS! Sensitive sound like Kreider & Zibanejad probably had a big cry over their soy lattes and haven’t gotten over it yet.

While one can't substantiate the tone in the locker room, one can substantiate that these athletes signed contracts and have an obligation to the fan base who in fact contribute to their contracts. IF that in and of itself is not enough to motivate any of them, put them in the stands and let them have a "fan's-view" of the product on the ice. "IF" say more than 1 athlete falls into this characterization, bench the 2,3,4, etc for the same game and let them watch from the stands together. This will speak volumes. Just mnsho naturally

The NY Post did not break the story about Drury putting out the FOR SALE sign…Elliott Friedman did, 5 hours earlier than Brooks.

Going under the radar in terms of struggling is Trocheck. He leads all forwards in icetime overall but has managed just 10 points in 19 games (and remember, he gets premium PP time, too).

Stevielegs. Is the ny post trying to fuck the rangers. I don't believe for a second that Drury told them he sent a letter to 31 GMs. Why on earth would he do that and why would he let it be known. The players are millionaires with fixed contracts, many no trade they don't care. This along with the summer Trouba mess pisses me off. Drury can't be this stupid.

This team as constructed will not win anything….Time for a new direction AGAIN….Depressing to say the least…

Drury may as well have posted his letter to the other GMs in the locker room. It's a message to the team and not a serious move. When he is serious you don't hear about it. Sit Trouba. They have to pay him but don't have to play him. Will thy be any worse? Switch the PP units. PP1 is dead in the water. Start the third line and give them more minutes. Ice time needs to be earned. Let Housley go. The D is a complete mess. They need new direction. If CD and Lavy don't do something someone else will be given a chance to.

Better? He better wake up first…. https://youtu.be/XNrRWTSC2Sw?si=-PwIiWddgfITrlI1

Lardiolette getting fired today? Would Dolans fire Drury? If so who'd be his replacement? Not that I want that blowhard but I bet Brian Burke would take the job.

“ The Post confirmed that president and general manager Chris Drury sent a memo to all 31 of his NHL counterparts announcing that the Rangers are open for business, specifically citing multiple players as available, not merely their longest-tenured player, Chris Kreider, and captain, Jacob Trouba.” another genius writing he’s open for business. Were they closed before this great memo? He should send a memo to his coaches that after blaming the players, you guys are next. And Jimmyboy should have his lackey sather send dd drury a memo that he’s next after the players and the coaches. This organization is in left field denial. Maybe DD drury should have started with a meeting with his players and coaches, but as usual he’s in cya mode. It’s Deja vu all over again. My viewing time for this team is down over 50%. Contemplation of my navel is even better use of my time. Newsflash the Nyr hired a trottier to be the gm with an endless supply of crayons.

“We give up a goal to start the third period and then I don’t like the response after that,” Laviolette said. “That’s the time to dig in, go get the next one and bring it back to even and we weren’t able to do that.” “We need more of a response, because it’s not good enough,” he said. “It wasn’t good enough tonight. We need more response. When something like that happens, there’s got to be a difference in the way we play the game, the attack that we go on. Right now, that was missing.” “We’re giving up too much, there’s no question,” Laviolette said. “We’re not going to win games giving up 40 or 50 shots, it’s got to be much tighter with what we’re doing. We need more. There’s parts of the game I thought we were good. There’s parts of the game we weren’t very good at all.”…. This guy is full of shit. He thought they were good in their defensive game after giving up 6 goals in how many losses? Time for the coach to take some accountability and responsibility. He’s mixing up his goalies standing on their heads with defense in the o zone. I think he’s in the ozone.

There is definitely something seriously wrong here. I’m betting their issues in the locker room. There have to be. These guys are not playing for each other at all. It doesn’t appear to be a system they give up odd man rushes like crazy the defenseman end up behind the net all the pucks go the other way And the true Lindgren defense pairing are like pylons. This letter that Drury sent to all the other clubs about businesses open is interesting. I would be surprised if they traded Kreider although they could get a haul back for him. I’m sure they won’t find anything for they could only give him away.

Gentlemen, there is little that can be done at this point in the season. The bed has been made and the organization has to sleep in it. Dogs, fleas and all the stink. Unfortunately we have to watch it.

A total disgrace agian tonight..too nauseated to even post...The Rangers can make any trade they want but it doesn't matter as long as ZSHIT is still contaminating the team and Lavioletter is running it like a brainless dunce..and if shit kids like Berrard and Edstrom are part of the conceived solution, we re totally fucked...The D-men blow dead dogs also..but it's the entire team defense...Thank God for Will CUYLLE

Kreider is still lighting fast but doesn't drive to net like cuylle does that for sure. Cuylle isn't as fast as kreider who is still in the top 10 I would say for fastest in NHL. Unfortunately he doesn't have the meanness or intensity for playoffs. He is a great PP, PK, and for tips. He is very average at 5 on 5

Ain't no other coaches out there.. going to be a long season like 92-93 possibly but we are 12-7 not too shabby we aren't playing well at all from the beginning really. Where is Keenan lolololol. I would definitely bring in neil smith over Drury any fuckin day. Yes he had his issues but he won the cup.argument over lolol. This core isn't the answer.just not good enough. But a few tweaks I think we can be there. Laviolett I don't think he is the answer.who else was just hired.

You can't trade trouba he has a clause due to his wife's internship. He is here until the deadline.

JFC31, unfortunately, ZShit and Kreider packaged together will require a team to have over $15 mil in cap room. Who can take that? SJ? Chicago? Do you think Kreider will not have SJ on his NT list? That's said, best trade partner, in this case, could be Nashville. That Stamkos signing is not looking that good, but i will take Stamkos over ZShit any day. At least with Stamkos, you are getting a real leader and with 4 years left, his $8 mil per is about as bad as ZShit's, but at least none will ever questions Stamkos hart..

If Drury really wants to trade Kreider, then offer Zibanejad & Kreider as a package. Zibanejad might actually agree to stay with his butt buddy…

Brooks says Drury has put out the FOR SALE sign to all NHL teams with Kreider, Trouba and several,others named specifically as being available. Do it Drury! If Trouba fucks around again, then SUSPEND HIM! He’s not playing well anyway, hasn’t thrown a fucking hard hit in weeks. He’s done. Just put Schneider in top 4 and play Mancini.

Meanwhile....back at the Ranch........Florida Panthers have now lost 4 in a row and have a worse record than the NY Rangers.......

I think this season may have been fucked by Trouba’s off-season refusal to honor his fucking contract! Maybe I missed it here, but where was the talk about Trouba REFUSING to be traded, despite the fact that he agreed to allow a trade to 15 different teams? He signed a legally binding contract and then REFUSED to honor it. That not a LEADER! That’s someone looking out only for them selves. And don’t underestimate the effect of that fucking hypocrisy on the locker room. It puts a CLOUD over the concept of t.e.a.m and l.e.a.d.e.r.s.h.i.p. …it puts a black cloud over the whole group, takes away the “all for one, one for all” feeling that winning teams need. What does it tell the young guys?

Andrei - seriously. What is the over under on SOG against? How about our buddy - double nickels? Lol. Plus, gotta be something coming. DRURY got major egg on his face for the Summer Trouba fiasco. He semi publicly calls for moves and doesn’t deliver? AGAIN?! Dolan will rightly think he is either incompetent or ball-less or both. If he doesn’t make a trade now, he might not outlive the coach. Who, unless it’s a miracle and they win the cup, is surely gone at EOY.

RF…Why or how would anyone defend Z’s play right now…It’s almost as if he wants them to make him an offer to retire…

Limbo, Canes don't have a goalie now. What else is new there. So Rangers might have a small chance, but me thinks that Aho's line will have a field day and will put up a touchdown.

Maybe Fox is still injured.....rempe is pretty useless..and his partner edstrom isn't doing much better..

Would love to do a JT MILLER - Z swap but don’t think a trade is what JT needs right now.

Carolina down 3-1 vs Dallas going into third period and score 5 goals and win 6-4….Wednesday should be fun…

Laff a -3 tonight also….Andrei…I don’t see anyone on this board saying Z isn’t a huge problem..And I agree I would rather have JBRO or Kakko at center right now..

Kis, again, i'm not trying to make Miller as a next Lidstroom, but it's clear that Fox is not the same prior to his leg injury last spring. But what ever is wrong with Fox, it's not Miller's fault and Miller-Fox pair in reality is a good pair, but I agree, it is hard to see it visually, however statistically, they are one of the top pairs in NHL.

Kis the 1-3-1 was broken by many teams in the playoffs it wasn't working. They stopped using it.

CAR is next, lol? Might be the nail in the coffin. Burn baby burn, hahaha. I ship out Trouba and LINDGREN for whatever yesterday. Addition by subtraction. They are toast. CK for some young D. Mika - benched until he waives, send for a young C and picks. If IGOR isn’t willing to take a reasonable deal (10M/year), gone at the TDL for a haul. Bread - retain 50% and you will get a massive return at the TDL. Miller for something that has a hockey IQ above a slug. Then….here’s a thought…build the team THE RIGHT WAY TO WIN PO HOCKEY!! Defensemen that don’t suck at defense. Forwards that don’t prance. A goalie that is decent but doesn’t fudge up the cap. Will it suck for a year or 2? Maybe. We saw what we got with current crew - great regular seasons, no PO finish. They had their shot. The remaining core is in early to mid twenties. Time to give them a shot…

Mike Zibanejad, -3 tonight. Worst on the team, once gain. But no, let's not put the blame on him. I have never seen a player whose game have deteriorated at such fast pace. There are zero excuses for this. None. It's not his skills that he somehow lost, it's not fantom injury, this is all mental. I'm not a doctor, but but it is clear to me that what ever is wrong with ZShit is 1000% mental. Whether he is afraid to get hurt and he going out of his away to avoid any contact, or he has other things in life besides hockey, or it is combo of many things, but his mind is not in the game. Once mind is not in a game, player is done as an athlete. Players will never be the same and in most cases, and nothing that coaches will do, will fix it. You can play him 60 minutes a game, and nothing will change. Maybe sports shrink can fix it, but it is a long road and player has to be willing to take it. ZShit has checked out. There is no coming back from that unless he will want it to be fixed, but fist, he needs to see it as a problem and he will need to hit a rock bottom before it happens. Playing 17 minutes a night, wearing an "A", coach is acting like nothing is wrong. None of that helps. ZShit needs to be taken out, demoted to the 4th line, scratched, stripped of his "A" and be forced to evaluate his game and what it means to be on the team, and finally make the right choices to try to get his game back. Right now, Rangers is not doing him any favors by trying to "get" him going. Right now, he is a fucken LIABILITY on this team. Useless JBro is more valuable to this team right now then ZShit,a nd that is not saying much, becouse JBro is just a waist of a roster space. Of couse I could be 1000% wrong and Wednesday night, ZSHit starts the scoring tear that will see him scoring a 100 goals rest of the way. What do I know...

maybe the only bright spot for tonight's game......Me saving $800 for a family of 4 NOT going on Wed night in Raleigh..................Instead, I will donate it to the casino on our Christmas vacation

kis: They are a young team. Except for the leadership core. That starts with Z and K and extends to P and T and to a lesser extent because it's year 2 for him, the other T. Lardiolette and GG before him leaned on them. Meanwhile, the rebuild brought in a slew of young talent who continue to take a backseat to that core. If this embarrassing stretch of play doesn't finally send a message to Drury that it's time to switch that dynamic up, I don't know what will FFS.

Wow. Now that was U G L Y. My same points from yesterday still stand. Z is shot. Coach is already getting tuned out in 2nd year (this is his MO mind you). Defense is atrocious. Sloppy line changes. 4th consecutive loss coming Wed. Damn I wish we had Brindamour. We should have hired Nintgomery before STL grabbed him. Would have been a good hire. But at the end of the day, it’s the players. Could they still make the playoffs potentially…sure. But what do you want. A playoff team or a true SC cup contender. Time to retool/rebuild. Get a young promising top 6 center. Desperately needed. Our schmuck of a GM hasn’t drafted one in 4/5 years. The only thing that makes me more nervous than these ugly losses is Drury’s trading record. Opposing GM’s are living their chops. I’m not sure this dude has the ability to make a promising hockey trade.

Feeling like 1975/76 season. The window closed on the them just like this year is shaping up to be

No leadership woth this team. As contituted, they are done as a team. They have tuned out Lavi. How can you have so many bad changes with an old team like this. They arent young anymore. This is gow a Lavi tenure usually plays out. Why? Have to look at which players can be good again which are done. To me zbad is done. Maybe lindgren but he has heart. Trouba might be do e as well. Edstrom is a waste. Carrick sucks too. Need a strong center Somebody dynamic

If one of Mika, Trouba or Lindgren are not benched for next game then the coach needs to leave

Diagree andrei. I get you like the mobility but fox isnt moving into the attack like he has in the oast. Miller is the complete mess. He is always caught im between. This team has huge problems. Huge problems

Hey, Lavi. Tribute question for you. When was the last time ZShit scored a goal with the goalie pulled??

Rangers didn’t even try to stop that goal….They should be booed off the ice… Lavi needs to start packing…

Fucken brilliant, Lavi!!! Sure reward ZShit with more playing time. Who came on when Shesti was pulled, no other then ZShit... Just can't make it up. guys is a fucken liability on the ice. LIABILITY!! Cuylle with two goals, but it's ZShit who is out there...

Arguably KK very effective. 13 minutes. Fire this coach. And send the asshole who hired out the same door.

Kism completely disagree. Only pair that is the mess is the Trouba and Lindgren and that's because both are fucken atrocious.

Is this rock bottom? We have one line working, and a team playing without any structure.

Why so stubborn to keep fox away from lingren. The defensive pairing are horrible

Pshit with lazy ass D zone coverage, lol. Something is definitely gonna happen…

Z is pretty much doing everything wrong and it’s costing the Rangers. Boos about to come.

Not sure who needs to sit more. Zbad or Trouba? How many times are we gonna miss the net on shots when we do get in the zone?

Only player diff from last year - minus Goodroe Wheeler & Gustafson -add Riley Carrick Jones - also Chytil (well at least for awhile). Is this that much of a change?

vcp…don’t blame him just stating facts….He is going through motions…No big hits and not blocking shots like he once did…

Could this be the equivalent of the TROUBA helmet throw of last year? I know wishful thinking. TROUBA even seemed disinterested in the scrum. They need some sort of kick in the ass.

Blues announcers ejaculating over how well the Blues are playing against the Rangers…Crediting the Montgomery hire…They haven’t been watching the Rangers…

PJ can you blame trouba, Drury has to be one of the worse GM/president ever. A true moron..worse than trader Phil.

Kis….I agree and was thinking the same…We are outworked and beaten to almost every puck…

So funny watching Zscared doing his best not to engage there. Now before the Z defenders start attacking me I get that certain players always avoid such stuff. But when you're mired in an 11 month funk that's worsening you think maybe some frustration might bubble up.

The offseason crap with Trouba has caused him to check out…He shouldn’t be the captain at this point…

Those of you who dont like rempe at least he gives them life. Zbad needs to sit. Also i dont think the team is very fit

Good news? May have stumbled across Chytil's replacement. KK looking ok at centre.

Not sure why LINDGREN-TROUBA are still a D option. They are clearly not working.

Zbad is so awful roght now. He is directly responsible for both goals against. He is a huge detriment. He must sit or he wont change. If this is the best he can do put him to the 4 th line wing

Same same .. no improvement at all .. totally disengaged in their own end... lost

Honestly this is a total joke…Z again and Trouba and Lindgren stickchecking…

The Blues have had a lead after the first period only twice the entire season…Rangers need to handle them…Especially at home…Blues 15 shots the second most they have had in a period all season…

I thought the first was a smidge better than the last 4 games. I at least saw a few hits and players that look like they want to be here. Trying to stay positive!

I thought I saw the referee tell the Blues player “4 on 4” after the Edstrom Call - but I guess not.

still soft stick checking on D .. no change as far as I can see .. Rangers refuse to engage physically in their own end..

Z evens it up. That’s all I’ll say. No way I pay Shesty 12.5/13. He’s a fantastic goalie but not at that price tag backstopping this group. He’s bring back a pretty good bounty at the deadline

If we cannot start wining more board battles in our own end .. it is going to be a long season .. still giving the puck away 2 EZ

Good God Shiteletti sucks as a colour guy. He's got less hockey insight than what's in my left testicle...

Brooksie tosses a hand grenade into the room. https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/sports/its-time-to-blow-up-this-underachieving-rangers-core/

Here they go…. https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/sports/rangers-calling-up-matt-rempe-as-chris-kreider-deals-with-injury/

I’m for Rempe over edstrom if that’s the choice. They need more emotion and commotion. As far as what this team is, I’m from Missouri show me. Same for lard ass. And zbad just might be not coming back to close to where he used to be. Trouba is just going through the motions thanks to leaky close to the vest DD drury. They are a mess waiting to get clean. I’m not holding my breath. And I’m not losing any sleep over it.

Wildcard - 'Yes, he is flawed, yes, he isn't 100% there yet, but he is a 4th line NHL guy' <---Not an NHLer YET is not an NHLer. REMPE has no business being in the NHL right now. And if you need more evidence of it, just look at his minutes as an NHLer. Will he be there later this year? Maybe. Maybe not.

Granlund sounds exactly like the sort of player Drury will look to give up future assets for come the deadline.

Comark: I'm guessing everyone is hoping Z can return to form. This is now a month away from being year long regression that seems to be worsening with time. And some point, if it continues, it'll simply become fact. Such is the risk of signing guys in their late 20s to fat long term deals. And when you think about it, the Rangers did that also with Kreider and Panarin and both have so far worked out well so from that perspective, they've been fortunate. Trocheck can be thrown into that mix, too. He looks fine so far.

mf: He has another year after this...I was thinking they may go after MIKAEL GRANLUND. UFA this summer, so no long-term cap implications. ON a 85 point pace for the Sharks right now. Plays all situations. On the Rangers he would not be asked to lead the way. Above average speed. Yeah not a big guy, but he sort of fits the modern NHL even for playoffs, with skill and speed and 2 way play. Lavy had him for a bit in Nashville, didnt play much for him at the time though. But anyway, I have thought he may be a target come mid season.

RF- I don't know what you do with Z if he is never going to regain his form. I really don't think he is tradeable and that sucks. I just can't imagine he has regressed this much in such a short period of time. But that's why I am still holding out hope that he can get his crap together!

And "Wallsters".... :-) IF we're looking for a Center as we approach our cup run (Drum-roll please) Chi-Town's NICK FOLIGNO just might be the man. Someone around here used to like Veterans. :->)

Its funny...everyone is saying the same things about the Rangers that were said about the Panthers early last season. Last year at this point the Panthers were 12-6-1. Exactly the same as the Rangers. But the Rangers have a better PP a better PK (and better net pk and PP as well), have won 2 more games in regulation than the Panthers had, the Rangers faceoff percentage is a touch better. The goals for and goal against per game are better for the Rangers. The only state that the Panthers had better is shots for and against. Even goals for 5v5 the Rangers have an edge over the Panthers of last season. 45-36. This writing off of the Ragners that so many are doing is obviously premature.

td: Flat out wrong. Rempe is a 4th line NHL player. Full Stop. Yes, he is flawed, yes, he isn't 100% there yet, but he is a 4th line NHL guy. He is above the level of AHL, and shows that every night down there. He is faster to pucks, stronger on the wall, stronger in front, reads plays better than and shows more than most guys down there. He just isn't a guy that will get a ton of points as a pro.

Shonuff - Here's the problem with REMPE: He's not an NHLer. Full stop. Whatever side circus antics he brings to the bench are fun and all, but he's not going to change things for the Rangers...at all. Not at least for the better. He'll destabilize one of their solid lines, but that's about it.

vcp1994 - If the Rangers wanted TROUBA gone, he could be traded tomorrow. They might not get much for him...but they could move him...take for a second all of what you know about his defense and any issues thereof...and push it to the side. Focus only on the fact this guy lays massive hits. For that reason and that reason alone, there will ALWAYS be a GM willing to nab TROUBA...just like there's always someone to catch Ryan REAVES whenever he falls off the roster, there will ALWAYS be someone to catch TROUBA.

Right now, the bottom five of the league include three rebuilding teams(Chicago, Montreal, San Jose) and two teams that may be willing to shake things up(Ottawa and Nashville)...so that basically means, in terms of the rebuilding teams, don't expect much until the deadline...and the other two? Maybe you'll see them try to move an expiring vet. Possibly throw Detroit into that mix as well...but we're not talking TKACHUK or STAMKOS or LARKIN here...we're talking secondary assets...On the Sens, I could see them moving PERRON or GIROUX, but both have NTCs...Shane PINTO, maybe when he's healthy...in Nashville, the only guy I could see really helping this team who may also be available is Ryan O'REILLY. If Nashville decides it's just not going to happen this year, I could see them moving him for something not so expensive...Maybe Colton SISSIONS...LAUZON I could see them moving...TBH, O'REILLY really would fit here well in a lot of ways.

Rangers are 12-6-1. I would agree as anyone should that there are, in fact, warning signs and that something should be done to address them...but again...fourth in a very tough division behind three teams that have played more games...five points out of first...nine out of first in the NHL...let's tap the brakes...Unless there's a meteoric plunge, LAVIOLETTE ain't getting fired. In truth, he's probably safe unless the Rangers go full meltdown...Trades? Have any of y'all been paying attention to DRURY during the regular season?! The only way I see a trade happening is if a melting down team decides it needs to do something rash and a top player suddenly surfaces for a deal that's too good to be true.

Just a slump but the effort isn't there. That's a problem. Trouba can't be traded so there is that.

The reality is that it’s early enough in the season that gimmicks apply . Time to bring Rempe in for a few 5 minute games and let him simply rip someone's head off . Carolina and the Flyers for sure . Team needs a wake up call let them put heads on swivels because of something Rempe did . They did it to themselves . Also I was on the Erdstom bus and am off it . He has done nothing and if you’re going to be that big and not touch anyone see ya .

For where this team is since the "Letter," we're in a "fine tuning stage" and not bring in the chain saws and demolition equipment stage. Let's slide the "tiles" around and see if the tumblers fall into place.

RF: I've been watching from a distance the last 1.5 months, but I know that Z & K were NOT split up for enough games or time. Want to revert to playing those two on the same shift? Those two can be together on one of the PP Units and possibly on the PK, "but NOT at even Strength."

Could also have Cuylle/Zbad/Lafreniere and then Kreider/Brodzinski/Kakko - again, both of these suggestions maintain a 2:1 Ratio LHS/RHS

IMO calling for LAVI to be fired is like yelling "fire" in the movie theatre when there isn't one. IF we need a 'spark,' to jump start things, we have Rempe. That's not terrible. If we need to explore a couple of 'line combo's,' we still have a few moves, such as Zbad between Cuylle / Kakko, and as TD just mentioned, slot SMITH to play with Panarin/Trocheck, then we could try Lafreniere with Kreider/Brodzinski. IF & when CHYTIL returns, we readjust. IMO the most pressing thing to be addressed (for the forwards) is having Zbad & Kreider on different lines followed by the PP Units.

tradestar28 - re: OTHMANN, BERARD, SYKORA...Sadly, it takes time. I think all three of those guys are/will be a serious threat to play on the team next season...but...it takes time. OTTER is out until Christmas...think he had a broken wrist? BERARD is playing well, but where does he slot in? And SYKORA is, believe it or not, just a couple months out from his teen years...So to a degree, what we're seeing now is the remnants of Jeff GORTON'S Rangers that are about nine months away from getting a significant overhaul toward becoming the DRURY Rangers...gone, for sure, will be SMITTY Jr. and TROUBA. Likely LINDGREN. Probably see at least one more regular moved as a cap casualty.

From Friedmann this AM: "In the aftermath of their 6-2 loss in Edmonton on Saturday, the Rangers have made it very clear they are interested in making moves and shaking up their roster. Among the names indicated are Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba, although other options will be considered."

re: BERARD - Frankly, I think that's a GREAT promotion. Not sure where they're going to put him...especially if CHYTIL comes back...but maybe the thought is to actually move KAKKO to center and have him slot in next to him and CUYLLE...but if the team is looking for a spark, BERARD is just that. Guy never takes a shift off...but again...to my point below...The REAL detriment to this team has been the sloppy, uninspired play of the top two lines. I actually WOULD put BERARD with the top pairing and give SMITTY Jr. a spin with second line...maybe bump LAFRENIERE back with KAKKO and CUYLLE...but my guess? EDSTROM hits the stands and BERARD drops there. Or that he's an insurance policy in case CHYTIL isn't back and they don't want BRODZINSKI in.

Well, were 'ifs' and 'buts' candy and nuts, we'll all have a merry fucking Christmas. Seriously though. What about a dude turning 30 with a career like ZINANEJAD'S suggests he may be 'done,' so to speak. How many players of his ilk turn 30, 31, and 32 and are done. I personally think he's playing injured. Maybe something lower-body. But done? C'mon.

Oh FFS. I really don't know how anyone could watch that game on Saturday and have the takeaway that ZIBANEJAD is the holy evil on this team. The top six played like shit. All of them. KREIDER was especially invisible. SMITTY Jr. was fantastically awful and had a turnover that directly lead to a goal. TROCHECK was terrible. Flat-out terrible. Out of position the whole goddamn game. And I hate to say it, but since he signed his big deal? LAFRENIERE has been pretty much useless. Merchant riding PANARIN'S coattails. ZERO physical play out of him...and this all equals...Go get OLIVIER?!? Good lord...PANARIN was about the only guy who showed up to play...and even he ended up doing stupid shit...drop passes to no one...The team didn't come prepared...And the coach did nothing to change it. Calgary should've been a wakeup call. They need to figure out shot suppression, even if it comes to the detriment of scoring chances...which they're not getting many of anyway, because they're always pinned...again...this is NOT about one guy and if the best you can do is sit back and blame ZIBANEJAD, then you're really not watching the whole or even half of the game...The problem now is a failure of the system. We can debate on what that failure is and who's shoulders is rests on...There's room there...but you could swap McDAVID for Z and this team would be losing just as many games as they are now...I almost see the need for a spark...a player to really juice up the team...almost...Fact is, the bottom two lines HAVEN'T been bad. At their worst, they're playing average...though I will say CUYLLE had a pretty terrible game this weekend and so did CARRICK. Neither one of them was alone though. The whole team played bad. Simple as that. Unprepared and ready to lose.

Comark. And what if this is Z now? What do you suggest Drury and Lardiolette do?

BERARD recalled?? Guy sucked ass in NHL preseason..Has plyed fine in Hafrtford....Yawn...DOubtful his advertisted "buzz-saw" style on a gnat body will play in the NHL but it's worth the chance if he dresses for EDSTROM, VESEY or ZBAD.....Otherwise makes zero sense unless there is an injury...DRURY and Laviolette are underperforming as much as or more than the players

Sorry for all the posts, I’m staying up late watching Saquon Barkley destroy my Rams to make my sports weekend completely ruined (including stupidly counting on Jared Goff and St Brown in Fantasy Football!) and distracting myself thinking about the Rangers, lol!

Leave no stone unturned. I'd rather try something new and fail then not try at all. LAVI has yet to put Z'bad between Cuylle & Kakko. I would, and I'd move Brodzinski between Kreider / Smith. As long as Chytil is out & Brodz is in, that move maintains a 2:1 Ratio of LHS/RHS as well....... IMO we've got a considerable amount of young players and bringing in Rookies Edstrom, Jones, Mancini may be too much too soon. If & when Chytil returns, maybe send Edstrom back to Hartford & move Brodzinski to the 4th line with Carrick & Vesey. As for the defense, I don't have a suggestion at the moment.

Interesting post from Stat Boy Steven: When was the last time we saw a guy like Mancini make the team out of camp, being trusted to play his off side? When was the last time we saw something similar to Kreider and Zibanejad being broken up? When was the last time we saw something as drastic as a winger moved to center? All 3 of these things happened in just the first 2.5 months of the season. We may complain about the lack of changes but we've seen quite a few unexpected ones already this early. I do not rule out a top-6 vet being healthy scratched for this reason. It would be shocking, just like the 3 examples mentioned earlier were shocking. They just played their 2 worst games of the season. Something tells me we see a big change tomorrow. #NYR

And as much as people think this season is over, Rangers record is pretty good considering we have won 12 games with just goaltending and 2-3 players playing well. I really don’t think all of these guys just suddenly suck. But jmho.

I know what E is saying. You guys want to punish Z and send him a message. Do you really think Z wil respond to that? Like it or not the Rangers fortunes are tied to Z. It’s in the organization’s best interest to get him going. He’s not tradeable. Yes, Lavi can lessen his playing time and maybe get him off the 1st PP unit, but I still don’t think Z is the kind of guy who will all of a sudden find his game after getting benched. It will make the fans feel better, but I don’t think it will make him or the team better. Two things will not happen this season: Drury will not be fired. Z will not be traded. We can only hope Lavi will change his icetime distribution. If Rangers don’t respond soon I could see him getting fired. Anyway, I know most will disagree with this and want Z to be sent a message. I’m just trying to be realistic. As for the call-up: I’m hoping Berard slots in on RW with Cuylle at LW and Kakko at center.

All due respect E. I would disagree. He’s not snake bit, this is who he is now. Maybe snakebit from being a very good 3C or average 2C, but this is not a 1C. Problem is, he was paid as such. His poor play and leadership has had an impact on the rest of the roster, and our coach keeps force feeding him more ice time thinking he’ll snap out of it. Maybe, but I really don’t think so. I keep hoping I’m wrong. I root for first and foremost for the TEAM always. No it’s not only him…others have had really bad starts too. The only players I thought were really going were Shesty, Chytil, and Cullye.

Unless he totally collapse’s Laviolette is gonna keep putting Zibanejad back out there. This team has one shot at glory right now and it doesn’t work without Zibanejad playing to his ability. The kid is clearly snakebit and you know how it goes. When players

Pessimistic view- Rangers are done. No way any of these guys remember how to play with any intensity. Optimistic view- Rangers are disinterested now and are going to do enough to make the playoffs and then turn it on. Realistic view: Somewhere in between. There were times last year when they looked this bad, but there was a resilience that doesn't seem to be there this year. Last year the team was better and Shesty was struggling before the all-star break. Then they went on a tear. Positives: Goalie play, CUYLLE, KAKKO, SCHNEIDER and the return of CHYTIL before he got hurt. PANARIN still scoring, but he is what he is. Anyone hoping he'll become a defensive all-around player are holding their breath for nothing. Just appreciate what he brings. CARRICK has been a good enough 4th C. Edstrom has been okay. Vesey okay. Rangers best players have sucked and the D is woefully inconsistent. I don't believe Z is done. KREIDER is streaky as always. Smith has been okay but not great. I don't think Laff and Tro are playing there best yet. But I also think those guys turn it on in the playoffs and I have a feeling Smith will, too. MILLER and FOX have been prone to mental mistakes like never before. LINDGREN and TROUBA are just shooting themselves in the foot. I don't think either of them have forgotten how to play. I don't think the ice-time distribution has been what is required to win these games and definitely not merit based. What I see is a typical NHL coach who is coaching for his Job, not the future. Like it or not, he is paid to get results. He needs to get Z going. He knows it. Benching the guy probably isn't going to work. No NHL coach except maybe Torts (who also is a vet lover) is going to bench a guy like Z. But, he does need to play the guys playing well more. Cuylle and Kakko need to play like the 1st line. I agree with Laffy on the 1st PP, but I think Lavi is hoping that 5some will get it together sometime. Again, he's thinking what he needs to win in the playoffs and those 5 will be crucial. I don't see reinforcements coming. HOSPO has talked about a rugged 6th D-man a la Braun. I think we'd love a D shakeup but I don't think anyone getting shipped out except maybe Lindgren. And the only way we get a Center is if CHYTIL goes on LTIR> Sorry for the ramble.

NYStranger- Jones wasn't sat for performance. He was injured. And they wanted play Mancini over Ruhwedle

Why the hell was Mancini even called up? Sitting Zac Jones really showed them who's boss.

Berard…Ha! That will fix everything. I might believe if Z was sat for a game and Berard put in his place. That would be a Keenan type move. But don’t want to make Zfragile cry.

I am not going to defend myself for constantly busting on Zbad. I didn’t want him re-signed at the time and I have given my reasons over and over again. So far I am not wrong. Believe me I would loved to have been wrong because I am a fan of the team and want to win another Cup before we all are dead and long buried. And by no means is he the only problem right now. The whole team looks bad, especially against teams that are considered PO teams. Losing when you give effort is one thing but we are seeing something else. Something has to change before the team’s standings goes the other way and in January we are looking at a losing record.

And yes it's on the whole team but because Lardiolette refuses to change things up Z's struggles are at the forefront on the Problems AFAIC

RF: are you considering me one of those Z defenders? Because I’m much more nuanced on my evaluations. But here is the thing about last night. It’s very easy to say, they’re their record and run sweeping indictments of the whole team.

Not miller, unsure about the others Lindgren probably..I don't think Drury knows what to do.. I have zero confidence in him. It's a mess. How many failed coaches. It's the players and MGMT .

This is why I don’t rule out some hockey trades…Enough of the Wennberg’s and Roslovic’s and what happens to be available….Any of Miller, Lindgren, Kreider for starters would get us a decent return….I am not smart enough to figure out how to move Z….Everyone agrees the chemistry on this team won’t win a Cup….Drury deadline deals won’t either….Can’t be sure who will be available and prices are high….Can Drury make a hockey trade?

Why did both GG and lavi only last a year . Got to be the players combined with the Goodrow trouba situations.but under GG that situation didn't exist. Messier would coach ??? But they would butt heads messier would want a lot of changes.

Well it's a long season but this is a bit concerning lolol..I hate being right about ZBAD. Players have slumps.but oh my my..how about trader Phil. Watch sather comes out of retirement lololol

RF4L - I’ve said many times last year and agin towards the beginning of this season. Z is done and will never be the player he once was. Drury gambled big in the contract and sadly, he lost big time. The faster management comes to terms with this, the better. The other main issue I see is Lardiolette. I feel like the players have tuned him out. Our leadership group here is third. Simply put, our leadership outside of Trochek and Troubs, don’t have the DNA to do what’s necessary to play the style required for the playoffs. Time for another re-tool/re-build AFAIC.

PJ. Well said and understood. Z's regression started last Xmas and is getting worse. It's beyond time management recognized it and make adjustments. The entire team is being dragged down by this.

Hells. I don't think a full rebuild would be needed. Yes if Igor goes that's a huge holw but with Laf KK Cuylle Schneider Jones Mancini and yes even Miller and Chytil plus kids in the system like BO Berard and Perrault there's plenty to work with. This is part of the frustration for many fans: That first group are all Rangers and a bunch of them should be getting way more minutes vs guys like Z K L and Trouba. It's inexplicable that they aren't. Lardiolette had better wake up to this or he's gonna get fired. If this shitshow continues IMO it won't be does he get axed; it'll be does Drewry.Drury go with him...

RF…People like me who defended Z in the past aren’t seeing the same play now…A 78 point season on a line that played well defensively adding in very good special teams play wasn’t the disaster certain posters here made it….Now it appears that line just wants to survive their shift and get off the ice…They contribute little offensively and get smoked by top lines on other teams….The difference between me who defended Z and someone calling people out who defended him is I am miserable watching this…Not happy I was right about a player I didn’t like…Ultimately I am a avid long time Ranger fan….

If the season goes South Igor may want to move on and then we are looking at a full rebuild with a new GM and coach. That letter thing hasn't worked out that well.

I think the whole summer thingee with Trouba is one of the main reasons the team looks lost now....especially against good teams............It just changed the entire dynamic in the room.......Also, losing Goodrow as a leader and vet takes wind out of the sails too......Now we are stuck with mopes like zbad and CK who are paid decently and obviously wanna win.....but if not....they will still have a good Christmas........

Montgomery hired by Blues. He turned the Rangers down before they hired DQ. Did Drury even inquire about his interest? If that got leaked it might motivate Lavy to do something. They all seem to be sleep walking now. He has to do Kennan level crazy stuff to get their attention now. Sit Trouba and take away the C. He's not leading anything. Can Housley. The D aren't doing anything. Dolan will start noticing soon. Thy need to be proactive. This season is slip sliding away.

NYStranger. Drury is waiting for the deadline when he can trade more futures for ineffective rentals.

And to continue this way for much longer would be giving up on the season. Drury really screwed the pooch in the off season. The crappy way to get rid of Goodrow, and the debacle of the attempted trade of Trouba was just the start, and a bad omen. Not getting Shesty under contract was another. I can totally see him signing elsewhere next year and then what? Drury wouldn’t have gotten even a bag of pucks in return. Not addressing the lack of center depth is another. Drury has really perfected sitting on his hands. And really HE should be the first to be fired. That should be the first move and a warning to Laviolette and the team that changes will come, and rapidly, if things don’t straighten out. The record right now means nothing. When an airplane is crashing, the fact that it took off and was flying just fine up to that point is irrelevant.

Man I miss the Tortarella post games at times like these! LOL. Sheesh, has Lavi really lost the room? The whole team is going through the motions especially in games that are not going their way early. Zbad we know is horrible, but Fox is right there almost to that level of bad as well. The two top vet players stinking it up nightly. What the hell? And there really is nobody totally off the hook as far as I am concerned. I give the young guys some slack (kid line especially, and the rookie Ds). But the team as a whole looks like they did the summer wedding tour-ala-Smith, and came into training camp taking that training part literally. There is zero fire or mental toughness. Zero push back. And zero team game. This group is the first time in a long time were I see the look of the mercenary teams from the Dark Years.

Too bad the gutless media doesn't have the gonads to ask Lardiolette 'How can you justify having Z who is clearly struggling lead the forwards in icetime?'

It is clear that Lavy is lost again. Great first year and then message is stale. No accountability with the struggling vets and no play time for those who are working hard

Montgomery unemployed for less than a week. Hired by the Blues. Drury asleep at the wheel. Again.

Zcrap with his 0 0 0 and -4 game ked all forwards in icetime. You can't make this shit up. Lardiolette is one crappy gutless fatass coach.

Feel compelled to say that the utter silence from the Z defenders is quite interesting...

Rangers? are 1-6 in games against teams currently in a playoff spot. In those 7 games, they are out scored 16-30. Fire Drury.

This shit continues and Zsucky will get booed huge by the MSG crowd. Maybe that'll be enough for him to wave his NMC. Not that he's tradeable anyways. Drury needs to.go.

Up ( yours) in the blue seats….https://youtu.be/lljNPOyxrc8?si=H465eQymXUF_OFiy

They all from management to the players look mostly like a group mercenaries and lost in the sauce. And I’m glad not to be too involved with watching and rooting for them. They accomplished that by burning me for too many years and claiming mea culpa of excuses and blames. We need more structure and continue to look like a mess depending on luck and their goalies. Unfortunately DD drury has to try to be patient, but he probably needs to make trades and fire lackadaisical lard ass. He’s more than likely in the process of writing his cya letter to sather and Dolan , while buying a new bus to back up over his victims .

Anyone have a decoder ring ? Wtf….” “We knew [the Oilers were a good team on the rush], we talked about it,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “We talked about trying to stay above them and get above them and sometimes we put ourselves in bad positions, sometimes we lost foot races, sometimes we turned the puck over, sometimes we fell down in the offensive zone and lost an edge and the rush just comes back at you quick.”

Hospo I guess to at least be with the team and practice with them as an extra. The flight doesn't go against the cap lolol

Z should be taken off the PP completely and relegated to the third line….I have said numerous times he needs to be sat for a game or two….That said which line is forechecking well right now?…We never possess the damn puck….Panarin snipes a couple but I see no life from the opening faceoff…Laviolette just interviewed postgame sounds like he has no idea why they aren’t doing what they should….He needs to start making examples now….

At best Rangers are 8th best team in NHL and that’s with Igor standing on his head

....and looking at the box score......Mika Fuckin Zibanejad ....Minus-4? WTF.....Trade this mope right fuckin now! Oh wait, we can't....his contract looks like the fuckin anchor on the Icon of the Seas cruise ship...........I would take anything for him.....even a fuckin Persian cat or a bag of Swedish fish.....I think he should shave his head so he looks like Ron Duguay on his rookie card......Change the luck.....something.........anything

I totally forgot the Rangers had a game tonight till 5 min ago.....Switched on ESPN+ on computer and hit play......was hoping to see a positive thing.....Boom....6 fuckin 2......damn........Meanwhile, we talk about relentless forechecking and puck pressure like FLA and Vegas....and we talk in off season about home grown drafted kids like Othmann and Berard and Sykora....how these are the type of players we always clamored for......buzzsaws, non stop motor, feisty are adjectives we all saw thrown around....So between the time they were drafted and now......why arent these fuckin kids ever developing to even middle six guys? Have we ever had an offense player drafted somewhat stud in the last 40 years? Weird ass shit tbh

On what planet does a player who prances round the perimiter, is afraid of his own shadow, hasn't thrown a check in 336 games, and is a MINUS 4 get almost 19 minutes of ice time? No, it's not just ZDECAY but he's a poster child for Laviolette not holding the players accountable for their play..not giving ice time to players that deserve it more....How can this coach not have the team ready to play games? to have a team totally devoid of intensity and balls? and the list goes on....And what fucking purpose does Adam Edstrom have? Your an offensive void so go out and wreck somebody! And the defensive pairing are still a mess

Had to watch on delay and now caught up but what a nightmare game…Reading the posts here I would believe Z cost us six goals…The Z line was awful but we can only wish that was the only problem….Our D is bad and we currently have no line playing responsibly….Which leads you to believe Laviolette is not getting through and hold nobody accountable…The entire situation blows…

Man.this team right now is one huge mongolian clusterfuck and it points squarely to Lavioletter and his roster and ice time management..The team acts like they don't care and there are no COSEQUENCES unlike JOhn WIck...ZBAD is disgrace

AWESOME defensive coverge and presence by ZMOPE and his worthless linemates..God they are nauseating to watch

How,on Earth is Trouba’s ass not stapled to the bench for the second half of this game

Panarin was a mins 3 before the goal, didn't get back on the PP that led to a goal, but sure, he's having a great game.

Please remind again how great lardiolette is and how their defensive game is terrific. Staying up late to watch this is a waste of beauty sleep for ugliness.

Well, Quick is human after all. Trouba is a horrid show, but it’s on forwards. Glad we have a solid defensive system, right Lavi?

Quick nice story. But he's no Igor. Igor in and it's perhaps 2 0. Facade either way. Lardiolette sux. So does Drury.

Trouba no stick on ice with Drisaital at the back door. Talk about a guy whose game is just a shell of what it once was. I mean right now his fundamentals are trash.

So Lardiolette puts Laf and Cuylle put against McDavid and Drais. Excellent coaching.

Becoming obvious there is no accountability on this team .. coaching change needed

Just playin stupid hockey .. pass pass pass on Sh rush .. not even a shot on goal and turnover a 3 on 1 against

And of course the 2nd period starts with the same PP. I am beginning to hate Lardiolette

In regard to the PP: Fox TO'd the puck in the O-zone and Panarin didn't bother to get back. I couldn't even find him on the replay.

SH goal is a snapshot of the problem.. coast back and then leave half the ice un protected for an ez goal...if Lavi starts that unit in the 2nd.. I am starting to think we might need a change in coach .. I hear Montgomery is available ,, we NEED ACCOUNTABILITY for on ice performance or lack of

Fucking Lavi. ZShit on the 1st PP is just a joke. Nice backcheck on the shorthanded goal and nice pass that started the turnovers. But no need change. Rangers are still 8th in the league, according to Sam..

Fuck this team- ass play continues. If they had effort and lost ok, but this is just stupid.

Same old shit, different day! When the fuck is Laviolette gonna open his vet-loving mind and let the young guns take prime positions on the PP and with TOI?

RF4L - Mancini in and Jones out very predictable and shows how little rope some of the kids have compared to vets and even other do-nothing kids like EDSTROM that Laviolette likes...If JONES had a rough stretch it makes sense..one bad game? not so much.....Will they b e redy to play in the 1st period? Is CHYTL playing? if so, start the kid lines..2nd would be Pnarina-Tro-Laffy

Someone mentioned LOMBERG below...and he's a great example of a type of player the Rangers could use, not that I like him specifically. But he's one of those guys that's always motoring. He sometimes takes himself out of position to hit guys...but still...THAT is what is needed. Hard on the puck always...not some fucking plodding knuckledragger.

vcp1994 - Sure is tough...actually, one of the most annoying stories from last spring was the story about the Panthers having a 'team buy-in' after they lost to Vegas...but it's absolutely true. They played a different game after that series and did to others what Vegas did to them...Again...easier said than done. I can tell you from experience that unless you have Herculean endurance, it's really, really, REALLY tough to skate 20-plus minutes and approach the game like that. By the third, you're out of gas...but three things help you do this...1. Make sure everyone is in tip top condition. 2. Keep shifts short as fuck. No more than 30 seconds. And, most importantly...3. MANAGE YOUR BENCH. Part and parcel of the same thing. I can't speak to the first point with the Rangers...but LAVIOLETTE absolutely failed miserably on the second two points in that game against the Flames. Long-ass shifts and absolutely piss-poor bench management. You will lose games that way nine out of 10 times when the opponent is forechecking the way the Flames did. In truth, that game should've been a lot less close if the Flames had taken their time to set up instead of just blasting rando shots at SHESTERKIN.

Expounding on this point: Florida, Washington, Winnipeg and now the Flames just kept the Rangers pinned for basically all three periods...the Flames were a bit less orthodox, because they took the approach of basically launching anything and everything at SHESTERKIN they could...not sure how many of those shots would honestly be considered high-quality...but I digress...The Rangers positively DO NOT need some dude to go around banging bodies or this elusive 'toughness' that brain-dead dotards like Larry Brooks keep stumping for...there's this tendency for idiots like him to say 'OH LOOK AT THE PANTHERS...LOOK AT THE KNIGHTS...LOOK HOW TOUGH THEY ARE...blah, blah, blah...' Well, it wasn't their thugs that won them cups. It wasn't their hitting. It was their whole fucking approach, which was to launch a 60-minute smothering forecheck and just push opponents to the boards...and that's what the Rangers need to do...they need to adjust their approach...they need to do what other teams are doing to them...take away space. Stop giving opponents time...and that means less setting up the perfect pass, and more simply getting the puck deep and chasing after it. They have the players to do this, but they're simply not doing it...All this said? It's also not easy. You need a tightly conditioned team to run a forecheck like the top teams in the league. Takes everyone buying in...no slackers. And the problem with the Rangers is they have two lines that absolutely have refused to play that way this season...PANARIN-TROCHECK-LAFRENIERE can usually get away with it because they're so talented that they CAN sometimes pass around a forecheck...by SMITTY Jr.-Z-KREIDER don't have that skill and they're basically a turnover machine when it comes to teams with an aggressive forecheck...The BIGGEST problem facing this team now is that this secret is getting out...When a team like the Flames can take that approach...and win...that's super bad news. LAVIOLETTE needs to take a hard look at his approach, do better managing his bench, and really drill it into guys' heads that if they can't play this type of game, their icetime is going to hurt ...and if that doesn't work, they gotta find someone who will.

Tdchi that is the issue, but it's tough to forecheck and be on people. It's another form of toughness because it requires a type of physicality to stay and check and shove etc. Be on players constantly.

E - Fantastic posts and right on the money with both. What I've seen specifically with this squad dating back to their series with Florida is that their Achilles heal is a strong and sustained forecheck. Every loss they've had...really going back to the playoffs...has been when their opponent gives them no time to set up. Every time a Ranger touches the puck, there's a guy on him...has ZERO to do with 'toughness'...though sustaining an aggressive forecheck for 60 minutes is tough as motherfucking hell...but I digress...THAT is their problem...not only do they not have an answer for that kind of an opposing approach...but they also don't ever do it themselves. We see it sometimes with the third and fourth lines...but not for 60 minutes.

Why oh why won't he play the rookies, oh why oh why can't heeeeeee, and another coach bites the dust, and another , and another ones bites the dust ,,,hey hey hey

Good article by LB today taking the Rangers and Lardiolette to task for being easy to play against, being non-physical and poor roster management (specifically the coach's inexplicable refusal to give guys like Laf and Cuylle more icetime). Everyone is seeing it but the stubborn vet loving old boys network coach. What is Dreary Drury thinking???

If the Rangers play the Oilers like they did the Flames McDavid is gonna make them look like fools.

I'll tell you what toughness is NOT. It is not going aggressively after the puck (anywhere, but mainly along the boards) because you know if you get there first you are going to get hit. I see that happen all the time with Zbad. He holds back an lets the opponent get to the puck first. Not for any other reason than not getting hit. You can't win a Cup with that kind of player in such a prominent role. It is why his line never can create offense without open ice passes. Kreider is not much better at it. At least he never looked like he fears the boards. Just watch his shifts. It makes me sick.

E _ you know I agree with you on almost all of that..except the ZBAD-Kreider neutralizing Barkov's line stuff....The Bromncers had one good game...other then that they were a combined 0 0 -6. in the other 5.while Barkov had 1G and 3A and a -2 in the same games ..but it was linemates (Rhinehart, I think) and other players that were frequently matched agaist ZBAD-Kreider that did damgae..as Maurice totally outcoached Laviolette.....As for your main point, a tough Top six forward is hard to get..sometimes you just have to pay the piper to get one if you can't draft and develop one..That said, the way this season is going, CUYLLE will deserve that shot first..be it with a healthy kid line or moving "up"

So show me all of these top-6 tough guys out there? Look, if you go back down a few years ago, no one was clamoring more for Tkachuk than me. Why? Because I covet big guys who own the puck. But toughness? You had Zibanejad and Kreider tasked with stopping the Barkov line. They did it. They neutralized them. And so, are they tough enough? It’s not 1970’s hockey. And very few players land checks in space. Opting instead to collapse in and use their stick. I could give a flying who gives an about fights. Yeah, it’s fun and it gets the crowd going but I don’t care if the Rangers “dedicated” fighter gets pounded every time. Just get the other guy off the ice. And in truth in 80% of fights there is no winner. Tied down jerseys, visors. Fightings role decreases all the time. So much for toughness. Do you wanna go back now to players being too small? I have a simpler calculus. Can you play? Because while you’re looking for some knuckle dragging behemoth I’ll take a guy like Lomberg.

Leetch played with a frozen shoulder in 94, McDonough a broken foot (which is insane) in 2014 ?, trouba broken ankle ( also insane )..some of these guys are less effective. Fox also had one leg..is it the players beit forced to play, is it the culture that unless you have a body part falling off your playing, I don't know. Many of these guys trouba, fox were not effective..that's why you have depth??? In any case. Not all are willing if they have the choice to endure this pain.. heck I wouldn't give my body up. Unless I was extraordinarily strong and had tremendous talent to boot.aka Mark messier.

E it's about sacrifice. Are you willing to sacrifice your body for the cup .I have said it before, not everyone understandably wants to or can take the physical punishment.

E they are beating weak teams and winning on goaltending. The D is poor . What is toughness c'mon really.

What even is “tough”? Toughness in hockey is like this nebulous, mystical, undefined concept people throw around. Are you just confusing it with being physical? Let’s be real I’m not about to trash Zibanejad here. The guy was a massive reason the Rangers made two conference finals in three years. But sure, let’s talk about Florida. They had their little learning experience in the Stanley Cup Final, they were right there and decided they weren’t taking no for an answer this time. Good for them. But the Rangers? They were this close to the SCF. And honestly, does anyone think Edmonton would’ve matched up well against the Rangers If the Rangers had squeezed out just two more games, we’d probably be talking about a parade in New York right now. Despite the warts they’ve shown so far this season they still are managing to keep pace and their GA is so stingy. There is a lot to like about this team. And no one should have any mistake about the players I covet. I like possession hockey players. Why is the Chytl line so dangerous and so stingy? They play every shift deep in your zone. They are heavy on the boards.

Coloradomark of the kreider, ZBAD line was getting 3rd line minutes and the Kakko line was boosted to 15 minutes or more . Then maybe yes. I just don't see our current first line as enough in the tough playoff battles. Panarin also isn't tough enough but if we had more tough players anything is possible.. panarin needs room to work in the playoffs you don't get any.

CM - i don't know...I really do think you can say "We will never win a cup with ZBAD" but it's related to other stuff it affects.. I was saying this 4 years ago becasue of his style of play (which bothers the shot out of me) but went back on it becasue he had/has his good points....Now I am starting to come back around but not totally...He's too prominent a player in the lineup who plays way too many minutes at a very non PO winning style and hasn't produced at ES for a long time....All that plus his contract (and the others) helps put a squash on really improving the balls of the top six..which is what it will take to win the Cup...Can a smart GM and coach somehow figure it out with him? Maybe..but it would have to be a coach that doesn't kowtow (is that a word?) to playing ZBAD becasue of his salary...As the Ranger World Turns!!!! ........I hope the Mancini call up isn't just to replace Jones who had his first bad game but a sign of something bigger, a shake up, or, at least, vet sitting motivation.

Here are the depth charts of all the NHL teams and age, salries, years left on the contract. Not sure who would be avaialable to swap for Zib: https://puckpedia.com/depth-charts

VCP- your opinion is fine, just not realistic. I think the chances of Z being traded are slim. He has a full NMC and unless there is a location he wants to go to that has the ability to send us back a similar underperforming, badly aging contract, I can't see how he gets moved. TD mentioned JT MILLER. As for Kreider- time to trade him would be the summer, but I know you are convinced that we won't win a cup with Panarin, Kreider and Z. Many cups have been won with players like them. But I agree, the Rangers do not look like contenders now, but I maintain it doesn't matter now. Just get in to the playoffs and have a team ready aftert he deadline. We can argue about what Drury should or shouldn't have done (whether we have any real clue as to what was possible) but it really boils down to the end result. I am not confident now, but I would never say "WE won't win a cup with XXX" because there are way too many variables to make such a statement.

Also- Rangers sent Le-inde-Schesyn down so that means Chytil is back or close to it. 8 D-men on the roster makes no sense unless someone is banged up or a trade is brewing. But can't imagine drury putting the cart before the horse and recalling someone before trigger is pulled. Also, Jonny Lazerus tweeted a signature emoji a la Kevin Weekes. Not sure what he's talking about but definitely stuff going on in Ranger Land!

Rf4l about pecca no idea . I doubt it but is that really necessary. ??it seems the average coach is what 2 years them fired

Rf4l McDonough and others have had full no move . .... It's still doable. Just a tad more difficult.

RF4L - He does have that NMC contract but those can be"bought out"...Even so,just don't think there will be a demand for the guy and his contract in any scenario except grand larceny

VCP - Personally, I like Kreider despite his occasional disappearnce..He was the only Ranger to show up in the POs two years ago..does thing sbetter than anybody in the NHL...and has a very good contract with only two more years..100% I keep him..but he would also be very tradeable!...ZBAD is totally different story with 5 more years after this and 2 mill per higher (8.5 mill) than Kreider..It's the one bad contract the Rangers have and I don't think any one will want to touch unless (maybe) there is a Huge (50%??) discount..

I say let pecca coach and keep the assistants.there rf4l there is a suggestion..!!

Rf4l.trade ZBAD, kreider for now At least panarin plays in the regular season. I am not a GM nor do I pretend to be. This is a free speech wall I will poop poopoas I please lolololol. So there.

RF4L - You talk about the "energy" and physicality..I totally agree....outside of CUYLLE and Tro that type of energy and exuberance/joy is totally missing from the Ranger forwards..EDSTROM doesn't hurt but provides nothing far too often...Vesey is a solid professional,,If they can't provide it internally (I don't know if they can with REMPS out of sight out of mind, justifiably or not), it will have to be obtained from elsewhere (DUH!)

vcp: They lost because they aren't that good and in the POs everyone plays well. How about you suggest a solution vs poo-pooing others. It's very easy to criticize - not so easy to suggest solutions.

Rf4l..great regular season records then eliminated in the first round..so then whats the point . regular season means just get in ..4 lines great. Who cares if you go 70 and 12 then lose in round 1 from burnout.

Go get Olivier Drury: A rough-and-tumble winger who boasts an impressive fight card, Olivier has caught the attention of at least a couple of NHL teams currently eyeing potential depth forward options. The 27-year-old pending UFA has even managed to chip in more than his share of expected goals early this season. But what makes him most attractive is his size, strength and willingness to embrace an energy role. Olivier is built for playoff hockey.

Hospo: Agreed. Don't forget, most of the Ranger victories have been against sub-500 teams and as often as not, due to superior goaltending. That the game yesterday was tied at 2 2 was all about Igor standing on his head vs the Rangers matching the Flames intensity and vigor. And what does the stupid coach do? Give a kid like KK less than 10 minutes of icetime. Inexplicable AFAIC.

vcp: Check out Boston's regular season records the past 2 seasons. Incredible and last year without Bergeron or what's his nob. The Bruins were clearly a case of the whole being far more significant than the sum of the parts and a lot of that was due to Montgomery. Case in point? Look at how effective their 2 goalies were last year. This year both got significant raises and are struggling. For the Bruins, their lack of top end talent finally has caught up to them. Pasterfuck is clearly a top 6 forward but who else? Marchand used to be but at 37, not anymore. He rolls 4 lines, too.

BTW, The Rangers have recalled BOOM BOOM MANCINI...Any D-man hurt? Insurance or subbing in for a player not performing?

I agree that there are more important issues with last night's game but the hand pass call is flat-out ridiculous. If I were Lavy I'd be bitching about it too.

And I know some of this bitching/worry can seem silly when the team is 12-5-1 but, as always, I look at this team through the lens of knowing they are good but neeeding to play and be better to win the Cup..And despite the record, they really haven't played well at all with Goaltending masking issues.......Need to straighten it out soon..They come home from the road trip and have like 5 games in 8 days!

NYStranger -Laviolette is talking hand pass when they gave up FIFTY SHOTS ON GOAL??? and other then a 15 minute stretch were totally out player and, worse, out worked by an inferior team? That's pretty rich,,,...Are there too many Ranger players that are too mentally weak where he is afraid to put the Hammer down on them? I am not getting it....Hopefully he knows best

On Laviolette, this is one of the reason I was so against him pre 2023/2024 off season..but I ate my crow beacuse, all in all, he did a real good job last year and I think DRURY failed him and the team at the dead line...This year is another story..too many players taking periods, a game, or games off with very little repercussions...The Team defense, for the most part, has been a horror becasue the players aren't giving it their all...Points back to the coach and GM....The thing is, you see stretches of games where the Rangers can play as good as anybody and know how to do it...but they can't be bothered to be devoted to it..The loss agasint Calgary isn't the end of the world but the way they lost and the passengers has happened far too often...it's Big Country's neck so he needs to start cracking the whip a little more......ANd, just me, but I HATE the defensive pairings

Rf4l. Laviolett is already coaching for his next team. Might as well have GG..it's insane already. Who could possibly replace him .some non retread for a change..maybe peca???

JBrod, Edstrom, Vesey and KK all less than 10 minutes of icetime. Carrick less than 11 minutes. Ridiculous. I am starting to really look forward to Lardiolette's firing. It's coming but likely not until the end of the year, meaning it'll be 85 years and counting by then. How lovely.

Bottom line on Fox is he has slowed down since the money bag was put on his back . How can he not have a goal yet and he no longer takes over games or even periods ??? If this was the early 90’s the Z line would be traded mid season to put them over the top . Players should stop fighting for NTC and fight for more money . Both r team and players are screwed .

Uuuggh glad I decided to go to bed early and get some much need rest. Sounds like Lavi is doing his vet coach thing. Nothing Shocking. It is why he and his ilk get canned every three years. The Wheel keeps turning and the moron GMs keep hiring them. Also sounds like he is using the hand pass play that led to the goal as an excuse. Pathetic.

Hospo, 100%. 4th line minus carrick sucked. Edstrom does nothing. At least Rempe bring excitement and an energy. People need to stop thinking about him in terms of hockey ability. He is what he is. Rangers need to find a center for Kakko and Cullye. Its a matter of time until cheeto gets hurt again. Trochek line is the only valuable complete line. The defense sucks right now as well. Fox is so so so slow this year. Smh. As much as i think the team needs a trouba for the playoffs, he is struggling. Schneider might be the best of the defense right now. Cant tell for sure because he plays agains the 3 or 4th line from the other team