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Mon May 20 2019 12:13 pm EST

BONGO: So just using CapFriendly here is our RFA List: (UFA's Brickley, O'Gara, Gilmour and Tokarski- I don't think any will be back. I liked Brickley and Gilmour is a stud in the AHL, but he'd be stupid to sign with us again.) LEMIEUX (2 Million Cap Hit? I have no idea) BUCHNEVICH (3.2M? Ok,I'm leaving the cap estimates to someone else!),CLAESSON, DEA, PIONK, LETTIRI and BERGMAN, BIGRAS, NELL, HALVERSON. I would think one of PIONK or DEA is gone if not both (I'd Keep One Punch DeAngelo!). I think they will keep Lettieri and Bergman and maybe Bigras. I would drop both goalies, but maybe they need one of them for depth.

ColoradoMark


Mon May 20 2019 12:02 pm EST

BONGO...go to capfriendly.com for Rangers RFA situation....

rF4l


Mon May 20 2019 11:37 am EST

Ok $20m in cap room. What restricted FA on our team do we have to sign? Approx how much? (Best guess). Thanks in advance.

BONGO


Mon May 20 2019 11:31 am EST

RHET: There are many ways a deal like that could go. The particulars aren't hard to work out if the two GMs agree that the main part of the deal (the SHATTENKIRK/NEAL swap) is what both want to do. Personally, my opinion is that SHATTENKIRK (the player) and his contract are huge issue for this team. He sucks at this stage of his career. And his contract is onerous. NEAL has the potential to add value to the Rangers because he is something that they lack. A physical, gritty, difficult player to play against. And he can score goals around the net. So while you would have to pay him for two more years at least you are getting something positive from having him in the lineup. There is nothing positive about having SHATTENKIRK in the lineup. NOTHING. And if the Rangers trade away KREIDER they are going to need to replace some of what he provided the Rangers.

Vic


Mon May 20 2019 11:26 am EST

Vic: Dunno, first the Oil are desperate to rid themselves of Lucic's contract. Second, Kreider is precisely the kind of winger to fit alongside McDavid. Yeah, he's not physical but he's big and fast and works the corners well and will go to the net. The sticky factor is they only get him for a year (which will be the case with any team Gorton has Kreider trade talk with).

rF4l


Mon May 20 2019 11:17 am EST

VIC... In regard to NEAL/SHATTENKIRK: I would want a top prospect or pick to take on Neal's contract. Sure, we save $900K for the first couple of years, but we're stuck paying him for another two years after that ($5,750,000 per). We would be better off just keeping Shattenkirk with that kind of deal. I'm also still optimistic that we can move Shattenkirk(probably with eating half his cap hit). The Vancouver beat guys seem to think that the Canucks could have interest in him, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 20 2019 10:51 am EST

RF4L: No way does Edmonton even consider that deal for 5 seconds....even if they had a guarantee of KREIDER signing with them. I think there is an opportunity to move SHATTENKIRK. But as I've posted in the past it would have to be for someone like JAMES NEAL. A contract that Calgary probably would like to get out of as well. He would be $1 Million less per year on his Cap hit then SHATTENKIRK but you would have to carry that contract for 2 years more then the SHATTENKIRK contract. IMHO I would do that deal with maybe a vet like FAST or STINKY going the other way for a prospect or pick from Calgary coming back. The Rangers need to move out SHATTENKIRK to make room for players that are better then him (basically everyone else) and the Rangers could benefit from a physical player like NEAL who can score tough goals around the net. Like E, I don't anticipate that the Rangers are going to be big players in the UFA market. But a deal like a SHATTENKIRK/NEAL swap (with other parts involved in the deal) is the type of move I can see them making. As it stands the Rangers have too many players on the projected roster already. I expect several of them to be moved by the start of next season.

Vic


Mon May 20 2019 9:44 am EST

Of the 6 returnees, I'm thinking 2 will be gone. I simply don't see all of Pionk, DeA and Fox on the club this fall. Is there a market for Shattenkirk? Perhaps if Gorton and the other GM get creative. What about, for example, the 20th pick, Shattenkirk and Kreider to Edmonton for the 8th pick, Jesse the Finn, Darnell Nurse and Lucic? Just spitballin' here folks...

rF4l


Mon May 20 2019 9:39 am EST

Tons of defensive depth, that's for sure with the Rykov signing. Staal, Shitty, Smith, DeA, Pionk, Skjei all returnees. Hajek, Fox, Rykov, Lindgren all possibilities. Day, Crawley, Keane all also in the mix (albeit in very tough). That doesn't include, of course, the kids that won't turn pro until next year (at the earliest) like Miller, Lindqvist and whoever they pick next month (gotta figure at least 1 d-man will be selected, despite the impressive depth already accumulated).

rF4l


Mon May 20 2019 9:32 am EST

Darren Dreger covers the worlds each year and started up a one on one interview gig at cafes in the host city where he chats informally with various hockey people - players, management and media. He calls it Dreger's Cafe. The link here is his one on one with Chris Drury. Nothing exciting here - Drury really is a dreary guy with the media. He seems uptight, uncomfortable of devoid of personality. There's not much stuff about the Rangers and I didn't even finish watching it because I found it boring. However, he does respond to something that basically confirms the Rangers will take either Hughes or KK - whoever is left - by acknowledging they are 2 special players and the Rangers (and the Devils) will be happy with who they get (not quoting verbatim here): https://www.tsn.ca/new-york-rangers-chris-drury-on-jack-hughes-kakko-either-way-we-re-getting-a-hell-of-a-player-1.1308192

rF4l


Mon May 20 2019 9:21 am EST

Even if Rykov only comes over for a little while before returning to the KHL it will be important experience for when he comes to stay....

Ranger47


Mon May 20 2019 9:13 am EST

Finally official... per the New York Rangers @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with defenseman Yegor Rykov on an entry-level contract.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 20 2019 8:24 am EST

In regard to the cap: I should say that's unless the upper cap limit number comes down a bit when it's made official.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 20 2019 7:13 am EST

The numbers moved forward early Saturday morning. None of the numbers have changed (ie. the cap limit), they just moved forward. The NYR's will also have just over $20 Million in cap space once they send Matt Beleskey back down at the start of the next season.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 19 2019 10:40 pm EST

Having to wait out this damn season to end is harder than Valyrian Steel. I need a draft and a draught.

Limbo


Sun May 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

Hey Folks: Cap Friendly has recently shifted forward to reflect next season 2019/2020. You'll notice that they are anticipating the $83 million Cap Limit which was estimated by Bettman back in December IIRC.... The NYR's have just over $19 Mill in Salary Cap available.... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

mf


Sun May 19 2019 7:18 pm EST

ANDREI: I see a ton of SJ games and while he has dealt with injuries he plays every bit as good as he always has. He hasn’t lost a single step. Even when he’s played hobbled he was more dangerous than most defenseman in the NHL. And his skating remains something otherworldly. He just can fly out there. But, he has also become a guy that benefits from being shut down during the regular season for extended periods of times to keep him as good as he can be. He would be a terrible fit with the New York Rangers because they couldn’t afford to give him nights off like SJ can. But to state that he’s not the player he once was? Absolutely not true. But you can argue that his durability is in question. That’s fair. But, I find his skill level eye popping. His speed is stunning.

E


Sun May 19 2019 5:48 pm EST

5-0 fat fingers

Stevielegs


Sun May 19 2019 5:40 pm EST

Puck, Karlsson always plays hurt. I don’t think he has not gotten heathy for over two years now. He is not the same player as he was. Few times I watched Sharks play, he sure looked like a shade of former self.

andrei


Sun May 19 2019 5:22 pm EST

Sharks banged up, down 4 guys by the end. Karlsson definitely playing hurt.

Puckyou


Sun May 19 2019 4:55 pm EST

Sharks shutout, St. Louis wins 5-9... karlsson was not on bench to start the 3 rd

Stevielegs


Sun May 19 2019 4:19 pm EST

Andrei.....too funny!!

kitchen1


Sun May 19 2019 3:35 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info @NYRStatsInfo .... Georgiev was named Russia's Best Player of the Game today, as he stopped all 31 shots he faced. He has stopped all 46 shots he has faced in two appearances in the 2019 IIHF World Championship. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun May 19 2019 3:33 pm EST

Alex Nunn @aj_ranger .... Hell of a game by Georgiev. Stops all 32 shots for his second shutout.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 19 2019 3:31 pm EST

Maybe I should've said "at or around the age of 30."

Rhet0ric


Sun May 19 2019 3:29 pm EST

JMO, but It seems to me that the NYR's have learned their lesson when it comes to handing out long-term deals to defensemen over the age of 30 (ie. Staal, Girardi, etc.) . That lesson is that they wont do it anymore (see: Shattenkirk, see: McDonagh). If Karlsson want's to come here, it will have to be for a 4-year deal or not at all.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 19 2019 2:55 pm EST

td, Karlosson at $9 mil *7 makes more sense then Panerin at $11/12 *7? Dude, are you serious? Can't stay healthy, can't play defense one legged Karlosson today is a better signing option then a 87 point forward, who is not even in his prime? If you really think so, then we are so far apart in out thinking that it's not even funny....

andrei


Sun May 19 2019 2:53 pm EST

Shaggy - while I generally agree, there isn’t a team in the NHL that couldn’t use/doesn’t need KARLSSON. He is a super-supreme talent. The guy could take the worst PP unit in the league and make it dangerous...and if you break it down, the Sharks didn’t NEED him...they had Brent BURNS as their top blueliners. KARLSSON is actually skating second pairing...to have skilled guys like KAKKO and KRAVTSOV coming into the system...guys who excel at the possession game...and a net-front presence with KREIDER...you are putting our PP on serious steroids....now if you ask me, it’s still too soon for the Rangers to go after a puck moving former Senator defenseman...the memories of REDDEN are too dress.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 2:41 pm EST

Now if you ask me, I don’t see KARLSSON as a great fit for a number of reasons. First and foremost is that until they figure out what they have in FOX, it’s a risky proposition to start making the moves to accommodate KARLSSON. I don’t think they’d have much trouble clearing room for him back there. I bet they could liquidate DeA and PIONK overnight and the roll KARLSSON-SHATTENKIRK-FOX. Or if Shatty is the odd man out, I’m sure if they ate a couple mill of his salary, they’d have more than enough takers. KARLSSON would be a dynamic force with some of the Ranger forwards. They’d have a SICK PP...But what I think they really need back there is a big, physical two-way defenseman...someone who can play big minutes...in essence, a McDONAGH type...KARLSSON checks a couple of those boxes...but if I’m GM, I’m passing...I will say he makes a lot more sense than PANARIN.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 2:41 pm EST

Now if you ask me, I don’t see KARLSSON as a great fit for a number of reasons. First and foremost is that until they figure out what they have in FOX, it’s a risky proposition to start making the moves to accommodate KARLSSON. I don’t think they’d have much trouble clearing room for him back there. I bet they could liquidate DeA and PIONK overnight and the roll KARLSSON-SHATTENKIRK-FOX. Or if Shatty is the odd man out, I’m sure if they ate a couple mill of his salary, they’d have more than enough takers. KARLSSON would be a dynamic force with some of the Ranger forwards. They’d have a SICK PP...But what I think they really need back there is a big, physical two-way defenseman...someone who can play big minutes...in essence, a McDONAGH type...KARLSSON checks a couple of those boxes...but if I’m GM, I’m passing...I will say he makes a lot more sense than PANARIN.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 2:30 pm EST

If Gorton/JD go after Karrlson they’re idiots. He’s not what the Rangers need.

Shaggy


Sun May 19 2019 2:27 pm EST

And I’m the only one bringing it up? Wrong again. In fact, if you ask me, I don’t think KARLSSON is a good fit. But apparently someone does...and from the sounds of it, that someone is KARLSSON. And for the record, I’m not a big fan of BB. I post this link just because it has all the original Tweets/stories: https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/5/18/18630022/the-erik-karlsson-rumors-just-wont-go-away-new-york-rangers-chris-johnston-sportsnet-san-jose-sharks

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 2:20 pm EST

Oh I know. There’s just NO reason KARLSSON would sign with the Rangers...oh wait: https://images.app.goo.gl/riMLHA1VnYau4PDd8

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 1:24 pm EST

kitchen1, even broken clock shows the right time twice a day :-)

andrei


Sun May 19 2019 1:23 pm EST

David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod.... It’s my understanding the Carolina Hurricanes plan on buying out the contract of G Scott Darling when the buyout period opens and that the netminder is aware of their decision.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 19 2019 1:04 pm EST

Andrei......you are spot on!! Wow, that's twice in a row. LOL

kitchen1


Sun May 19 2019 12:20 pm EST

td, i can tell you right now. There is 0 chance Erik Karlsson. Zero. I think you are the only one that keeps on bring his name. I don't see a single reason to have this guy on the team. He can't stay healthy, he can't defend and most importantly, he will be grossly overpaid by SJ come July 1st. I can also bet you that Smith will be on the roster come game 1 of the 2019/20 season. He will be a 13th forward on this team. DQ loves him as a spare forward. I can also bet you that neither Staal or Shitty will be traded. Player that will be traded will be Pionk. Skjei is on the trade block. Would Jet's consider a trade around Trouba and Skjei? That's possible. Skjei signed for 4 more years. If Skjei stays, i can see McQuaid coming back. So we have Skjei/McQuaid, Shitty/DeAngelo, Staal and? Fox/Hájek /Lindgren will fight over the last remaining spot?

andrei


Sun May 19 2019 11:53 am EST

The O'Reilly OS was 6 years ago and matched. And the GM who did it has long been outside looking in as a GM.

RF4l


Sun May 19 2019 11:07 am EST

Dylan LARKIN showing why it ain't smart to trade away first rounders...15th overall, he sure looks like a franchise player. Just scored the go-ahead for the US.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 10:56 am EST

schnedw - and that 1st rounder from Dallas would help build up more ammunition to make an RFA offer sheet strategy more possible..:)

Hospo


Sun May 19 2019 10:54 am EST

SCHNEIDW - Can I agree to the never trading away of #1 picks? No...especially as the team gets better and would likely not be drafting in the bottom 15 with Kakko, Point and the slrw of youngstrs they have now..The past is nt the present,,..and Even if you give up picks,it's still about drafting and prospect identification/development..Again it all depends on what yo uthink you have in hand for the next 5 yerars and what a Kakko and , as an example, Point can asdd to that...It's not something I'm saying we should do but I do think it's and option and a possibility I wouldn't discount ..But, unlike others on here, I dont know exacty what the Rangers will be doing,,..As fof Kakko vs Hughes..Of course, either will be fine, but I'd much rather have Kakko then the typicla US silver spoon youngblood pretty boy

Hospo


Sun May 19 2019 10:53 am EST

Dallas Stars Mats Zuccarello Rumour: Stars NHL.com beat writer Mike Heika reports that the team would love to give Mats Zuccarello a new contract, but they must have the numbers work. Signing an extension with the Norwegian winger may be complex. Analysis: Head coach Jim Montgomery has already lobbied with general manager Jim Nill to have Zuccarello back. Many of his new Dallas teammates said that “he fits like a glove” on the team. The 31-year-old was key in the Stars playoff run after coming from the New York Rangers at the trade deadline. He was very helpful in adding secondary scoring for Dallas and they’ll likely find a way to get him back.

schneidw


Sun May 19 2019 10:15 am EST

E: I totally agree with your GM strategy... one more year of focused player development under the Quinn system, Rebuilding the Hartford AHL mess, and working to get as many higher draft picks as possible in a deep 2020 draft should be the focus... GORTON should avoid the UFA market unless they are 1 year deals that can be dealt at the deadline.... Rebuilds are painful and I feel for season ticket holders but there is no quick fix.. including overpriced UFAs such as Panarin.

schneidw


Sun May 19 2019 10:09 am EST

HOSPO: Can we agree NYRs should never give up their #1 picks ever again.. it has always set the franchise back with very little to show... RFAs are too costly to the future development of the team.. I prefer investing in better drafting and player development myself...

schneidw


Sun May 19 2019 10:07 am EST

Hughes v Kakko: As I watch the Germany v USA game... makes me wonder how scouts translate the player skill level when viewing these Euro tourneys that play on larger ice.. there is so much room out there... I wish the NHL would expand the ice surface already.. .

schneidw


Sun May 19 2019 9:57 am EST

REgarding the Rangers and an RFA offer sheet for somebody like Point..Why the hell not? It's legal.....Screw Bettman ..and the salaray structure of the NHL..the cap..And Bettman's crap leagues of parity..The Rangers are the perfect team to be an exception..the GM/President of Operations club is no longer the old boys club and has gotten younger and more "executives" that should be more amenable to offer sheets.....Do it if it is right for the team...That's the only question for me...does the bringing in of the player make you that much better right NOW and for the future..and do you feel you have enough prospects/organiztional depth to carry you through the future years..if you think so...Do it..I would love to see it....and hell, it's more likely that such an offer sheet will only force a trade (and may be intended for that reason).Hey, that's fine to..either result is finre..Put together , say, Point and Kakka/hughes for the next 10 years? Imagine that...

Hospo


Sun May 19 2019 9:32 am EST

RF4L - Rare, but not unheard of. Last was Ryan O'REILLY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 9:25 am EST

HUGHES moves to line one with EICHEL and KREIDER. US facing off against Germany. SKJEI playing first-line pairing...FOX No Moritz SEIDER. Wonder if he's injured. He got absolutely creamed by Ladislav NAGY in the Slovakia game.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 9:22 am EST

andrei - the future is now. HAJEK-FOX is a distinct possibility for next season...and I could almost guarantee at least one of SHATTENKIRK, STAAL and/or SMITH is/are gone. And there's also a chance we end up with KARLSSON. I know it sounds crazy, but I think there's a very real chance he's a Ranger...either way I think you're waaaaaaaay underestimating the Rangers' back line. Was there room for improvement? Most certainly. But worst in the NHL? Hell no.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 9:02 am EST

I'm not sure what Brooksie's rant is suggesting. What is the "new protocol" he mentions? How do you "improve performance"? He points out problem without offering any real solutions. He seems to be lamenting that the calls and reviews are made by humans who are not infallible. The NCAA head contact review would have avoided the fiasco in the Sharks/Knights series. The problem is the NHL doesn't want to seriously address head shots. The international crease violation rule would eliminate most of the goaltender interference reviews which are apparently resolved by a coin toss of a Looney in Toronto. The NHL doesn't want a couple of more whistles a game. The hand pass was an unfortunate situation where the view of all the on ice officials was obscured by players on the ice. Limit the number of reviews and how far you can go back, but, an egregious missed call like this one should be addressed.

HellsKitchen


Sun May 19 2019 9:02 am EST

TD. It's not general. It's never. It's been what 10 years sonce the last one (Flyers and Weber and of course it was matched). Another reason why is that it accelerates salary increase growth. That's occurring organically as the cap increases- why hurry it along via a process that never gets you the player anyways?

RF4l


Sun May 19 2019 8:57 am EST

A 3rd ref on the ice is asinine. It's already too clogged. So obvious to me: Put the 2nd ref in the pressbox mic'd to the first. Let him do the instant replay. If you want 3 then put him in the pressbox too. Why the media isn't picking up on this suggestion is beyond me. Has Buttman muzzled them ala Dolans and the Rangers?

RF4l


Sun May 19 2019 8:44 am EST

Here's the thing with an offer sheet: It's like hitting a hole-in-one. All conditions need to be absolutely perfect...the part that many fans just never seem to comprehend is that a player needs to WANT to sign an offer sheet. So if you're Brayden POINT and...say...Edmonton offers you a contract that's only a couple hundred grand more than Tampa's latest offer...are you going to sign it? Probably not....So in general, the first threshold to meet is unbelievably high...A team has to make a player an offer that he doesn't think his current team has a chance in hell of making or matching...and he has to want to move to that SPECIFIC team...On the flip side, what team would WANT to give up four first rounders? I mean, the Rangers went four seasons without a first rounder, and how did that work out for them? Even if you're getting a player like MARNER in the end...that's an over-the-top offer for just about anyone...including a top-rated player like MARNER...not only are you gonna have a massive contract on your hands, but you're gonna be devoid of the very players you need to keep a good, cap-friendly roster while having that player...the next level...two firsts, a second and a third is a BIT more reasonable...but even that is a lot to pay for a single player who will come to you with a very bloated contract...and ultimately, if a team IS going to offer sheet someone, unless they really want to piss off that other GM and perhaps lay fire to the bridge of relations...they're going to tell the opposing GM of their intentions and then try to work out a deal for the player at hand...so take all this into consideration...and it's why we generally don't see offer sheets.

tdchi


Sun May 19 2019 8:39 am EST

Stevie: while I think that there is room for improvement amongst the refs obviously I do think we are getting towards the end of the road in terms of expectation with the refs. The speed, the pace etc... it’s all too much. I remember when everyone freaked out over adding a second ref on the ice. I don’t think putting an ear piece on the refs and then having them in communication is all that detrimental to the on ice product. I think the Meyer goal was a shame. But I also see how no one is in good position to make that call definitively. And this harkens back into the regular season. I think that the game could embrace technology and think outside the box to insure against mistakes. I think that they owe it to the fans, the teams, the players. As much as I’ll take the win that SJ got, I’m not gonna be a homer and pretend that it was the right.

E


Sun May 19 2019 8:30 am EST

RHET: consider that a misdirected call.

E


Sun May 19 2019 6:38 am EST

"You want to add a third referee off the ice who would have the power to override calls in real time by blowing a horn or something to stop play? So this ref, who presumably would be able to detect just about any infraction, would beep for a missed tripping minor, or only for … well, for what? If it is about getting it right, it necessarily must be about getting it all right. Except it won’t be. The answer to this officiating mess that has been a long time coming is not to dramatically expand video review, but to dramatically improve the performance of the referees and linesmen working the games. It is to provide them with better direction, perhaps a new protocol. It is to revamp the officiating department, and that means starting at the top."..........https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/nhls-officiating-crisis-has-only-one-fix-and-its-being-ignored/

stevielegs


Sun May 19 2019 6:34 am EST

"Kaapo Kakko is fueling the debate over who should be the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NHL draft. “This is a big thing for me for the draft,” Kakko told NHL.com through a translator. “I think I can be the first [pick].”

stevielegs


Sat May 18 2019 8:10 pm EST

Stevie. Exactly! Buttman's goal to negate rich team's financial advantage. He's a very smart man.

RF4l


Sat May 18 2019 8:07 pm EST

Rhet...re the blind squirrel cliche...!

RF4l


Sat May 18 2019 8:07 pm EST

The nhl made offer sheets way to expensive for most teams to take that gamble. Neil Smith is still paying for trying to get sakic.

Stevielegs


Sat May 18 2019 5:48 pm EST

E... I'm not sure why you directed that post to me, I think the NYR's will be improved next season ...RF4L... If you predict Offer Sheets before every season, eventually you have to be right.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 5:30 pm EST

Offer sheets are for the media and the fans. Not the GMs.

RF4l


Sat May 18 2019 5:20 pm EST

ANDREI: worst defense in the league? Not sure I’d go that far but it’s got its share of issues. I think that Staal and Shatty are contracts that’s be hard to get out from under. But I think Hajek showed signs of being able to play and Fox, DeAngelo might be interesting. And there is some depth looking to come up.

E


Sat May 18 2019 5:15 pm EST

RHET: outside of a lot of stuff, they forced many OT’s and got wrecked on 3x3’s. The likes of a Kravtsov and Kakko might alter that a lot. Those guys have skill to hurt you in open ice.

E


Sat May 18 2019 5:04 pm EST

Rhet, i do. Not sure why everyone is so optimistic about upcoming season. We still have the worst defense in the league. That won't change. Yes, Fox might make the team, but he needs to learn to play defense first. Shitty will still be on the team. Hankie is Mr Jackyll one night, and Hide the next game. Georgie boy might not be as good this upcoming season then he was last. Rangers will have major issues scoring. Don't see defense getting much better. Adding Kakko will help, but i much rather see him go down to AHL for a few month. Kravstov will start in AHL. Rykov will start in AHL. Shestyorkin will start in AHL. Frankly, i see Rangers being one of the three worst teams next season. Reinforcements will arrive soon enough, but not soon enough. At some point, Lindgren and Hájek will make the team, but whose spot will they take? Next waive of future Rangers defense core, including Miller, Keane, Lundkvist, Reunanen is still two-three years away..

andrei


Sat May 18 2019 2:40 pm EST

Ranger47... Statistically speaking you'd have to look at how often it's been done before(off the top of my head, not very often). The Lottery changes in 2015-16 iMO have made it even tougher. Generally, when teams have repeat success in the lottery every year it's because they've ended up at least in the bottom three in the standings. You don't really see teams that aren't among the three worst having repeat success (ie. moving from 6th to 2nd doesn't happen every year). Of course, the NYR being the NYR, they would probably buck the trend the year that they trade the pick :)

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 2:22 pm EST

ANDREI... I don't see the NYR's being one of the 5 worst teams in the NHL the next two years in a row. If so, something has gone horribly wrong with their rebuild.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 2:21 pm EST

I wouldn’t be surprised if the New York Rangers skipped on everyone in the UFA market, picked up a couple of depth guys for the bottom-6 and a defender and call it a day. Panarin obviously would be an awesome grab. But that Smith, Shatty, Staal mess in the blueline is a big issue. If they can get out from under those contracts this summer.

E


Sat May 18 2019 1:56 pm EST

Rhet, still don't see the move to get Point. Every year people predict offer sheets and they never take place. Last thing i want Rangers to do is to make a stupid move like that and watch Bolts draft in top 5 two years in row. Just makes no sense. Point is another player who benefited playing with Kuch and Stammer. Again, i'm 100% sure that if Rangers had planned a move like that, trade in which they gave up a picks they must have in order to make the offer sheet, wouldn't happen. Canes had only one dancing partner. Rangers could have stood their ground and gave up an additional asset. Let's see what JD has in store....

andrei


Sat May 18 2019 12:58 pm EST

Rhet: I agree with your statement that if we finish in the 11-15 range our chances of getting another top 3 pick would be minimal. However (although I'm not a mathematician) I know that the laws of Probability are such that the fact we moved up to #2 this year has no bearing on what happens on the next flip of the coin, so to speak. I know, I too always found that counter-intuitive....

Ranger47


Sat May 18 2019 12:52 pm EST

ANDRE.... Like I've said, IMO, it's more likely that they use the threat of an offer sheet to force a trade. Then again, they will have a ton of options this off-season, maybe they move up in the draft or sign a free agent instead (or even do two out of those three). If they did trade for Point, we'll most likely give up two first round picks to get him (or a pick and a comparable prospect).In regard to the FOX deal: If you are the CANES, why wouldn't you take a guaranteed mid 2nd round pick instead of a 3rd with only the possibility of getting a 2nd round pick? ...In regard to the NYR 2020 pick: Anyone who is not in the playoffs is in the lottery. I can see the NYR's threatening to make the playoffs this season. If they don't make it, they'll probably end up anywhere from 11th-15th place. We won't move up in the draft from there unless we win one of the top three spots. Do you know what the statistical chances are of us winning a top 3 spot after getting the 2nd place spot this season? Pretty damn slim .... In regard to Pittsburgh: EVERY offseason there are rumors that both MALKIN and KESSEL are available. Let's see if one or both actually get dealt this year. It wouldn't surprise me either way they choose go.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 10:59 am EST

rhet: thanks

shonuff


Sat May 18 2019 10:45 am EST

shonuff... i have been following Renaud Lavoie for years and he's as solid as they come. He usually posts his tweets in both French and English (for French Canada). I read a translation of his French tweet and it was 100% correct, so that leads me to believe that either he had a brain fart or it was just a bad miss-translation some where.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 10:33 am EST

TD.... I don't remember him ever saying that RYKOV was NHL ready now and we still have the logjam on the Left Side... Also, even if the NYR's magically fix Hartford in the offseason, would you rather him play there or in the KHL?

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 7:20 am EST

Gene I would think Hughes will be the new face of the nhl if he lives up to being a #1 pick ala skidmark the next one. I don’t think the nhl would use anyone who is not from Canada or the USA yet, until they get called out on it maybe. ... as pie in the sky speculation if the Nyr really want Hughes can they make a deal with the Debbies to trade places by giving them another pick or prospect ? Buttman might like the drama.

Stevielegs


Sat May 18 2019 7:16 am EST

Renaud Lavoie

shonuff


Sat May 18 2019 7:13 am EST

tlats: I just viewed it on twitter too. Never heard of the guy. Makes me wonder if it even happened lol

shonuff


Sat May 18 2019 7:11 am EST

Rhet0ric - I remember hearing RYKOV was one of the more polished defensive prospects. Alex Nunn, a guy who has been pretty spot-on about European prospects, was really high on him. I can't recall his exact words, but he considered him more ready than HAJEK and LINDGREN...he posted this clip with highlights: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x74jvyj

tdchi


Sat May 18 2019 7:04 am EST

My mistake I copied that off twitter and it didn’t register to me at the time

tlats


Sat May 18 2019 6:37 am EST

Rykov was drafted by the Devils and part of the Grabner trade, Not sure why its posted on multiple sites and below that the rangers drafted him ????

shonuff


Sat May 18 2019 6:08 am EST

Vic: You hit the nail right on the head. For us hockey is a pastime, some time excessively so. For management it is a business and the financial reality is that Hughes has marketing fundamentals that NJD can not pass over. The Finn will be a star associated with the Rangers, a bigger star. Hughes will be the attraction ,the Devils along for the ride.

gene_carr


Sat May 18 2019 5:41 am EST

CAROLINA: Speaking of the Canes.. I didnt realize that NYR draftee Aleksi Saarela (C/LW) scored 30 goals for their AHL affiliate last year.... damn! Where is Ryan Gropp anyways....

schneidw


Sat May 18 2019 5:36 am EST

CAROLINA: Waddell must also figure out the goaltending situation as both Petr Mrazek and Curtis McElhinney are unrestricted free agents. GORTON, makes me wonder out loud if he could try and trade Georgiev to the Canes.....

schneidw


Sat May 18 2019 5:32 am EST

“Maybe most importantly, Davidson has the inside knowledge of the exact worth of Artemi Panarin, the electric Russian winger who was under his stewardship in Columbus for the past two seasons and will hit the market on July 1 as the most coveted free agent. To be able to make a competitive offer with the Panthers in tax-free Florida, the Rangers might have to be in the neighborhood of $10 or $11 million per year. That is a major investment, and likely the biggest decision this team has had to make since “The Letter” went out in February 2018. There is no denying the Rangers are moving in the right direction. They made their run, got as close as Game 5 of the 2014 Stanley Cup final. So credit to Sather and Schoenfeld and Gorton for getting them to that point. But just as much credit goes to them for knowing when to pull the plug. Cleaning house while stockpiling picks and prospects was the easy part. The idea of rebuilding is refreshing during a phase like that. It gets a lot harder to stomach when it comes to evaluating exactly what is left. This is where franchises can go off the rails for years, if not into a perpetual cycle of self-sabotage and delusion. A relatively clean slate is also an open canvas for new mistakes. And there are landmines left all over this landscape.“....https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/john-davidson-the-right-man-for-job-at-critical-rangers-junction/

Stevielegs


Sat May 18 2019 3:42 am EST

Rhet, do you really think Rangers will give up Two firsts, a second and third-round picks for a privilege to spend $9 mil? Rangers are playing a long game of chess here. Every step is well planned. You can see it in every move they make. Every move is well calculated. If they were even considering this price for Point, do you think they would have pulled Foxx's trade, just so that they have to make another side deal with them few weeks later? Makes 0 sense. Rangers would have added something in the deal and kept 2nd and 3rd in 2020 out of the deal... I'm sure Gordon knows the reality that Rangers are not even close to competing yet and 2020 NYR 1st will once again be a lottery pick. In no shape or form they would ever contemplate such a move. RFA offer sheet like this, might make sense for Shitsburg, since they are all in with Crosby. Rutherford is 70 years old. Do you think he cares what will happen to the team in 5-6 years. He is all in now. Crosby is all in. This is why i don't buy bullshit that LB is feeding. Malkin will not be traded. Instead, talk is that Kessel will be shipped out. If he goes, it will be for a d-man, and that leaves cap room and space for an offer sheet. Problem there is that Pit's 2nd in 2020 is owned by Golden Knights (part of the Marc-Andre Fleury expansion draft side deal). GM's don't help GM's make offer sheets...

andrei


Sat May 18 2019 1:46 am EST

in regard to Yegor Rykov: I'm a bit surprised he signed. I think he can still use a couple of more years in the KHL (he doesn't appear to be quite NHL-ready to me yet). As always, I'd love for the guy to prove me wrong. Kudos to GORTON for always getting these guys signed right away(Sather dragged his ass on ELC's all the time).

Rhet0ric


Sat May 18 2019 1:37 am EST

ANDREI... I know the offer sheet rules very well. I'm guessing where we disagree is that I think it will be relatively easy to get back our conditional pick(a mid-second rounder should do it)....If the NYR's do offer Brayden Point a contract, I expect it to run in the neighborhood of $8.5-9 Million per year for six seasons. Similar type deal as Leon Draisaitl. Also, Keep in mind, this is the second credible source that's said he expects the NYR's to give an offer sheet to Point. Personally, I expect the NYR's to use the threat of an offer sheet to force a trade, but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 10:50 pm EST

SCHNEID: I think Kakko reminds me a little of Kovalchuk, maybe a young Rick Nash. Although nowhere near as polished a player. Barkov might be a good comparison. But maybe Mikko Rantenan is the best examples I think.

E


Fri May 17 2019 9:49 pm EST

GORTON: Would you trade Shattenkirk and the WPG #1 back to the JETS for Trouba and low end prospect?

schneidw


Fri May 17 2019 9:46 pm EST

Yegor Rykov signed a two year deal (entry level contract) with the @NYRangers with a European Clause if he wants to go back in the KHL. He played for Sochi last season. Drafted in 5th round in 2016 by the #NYR

tlats


Fri May 17 2019 9:24 pm EST

I have not heard of any comparisons for Kakko.. but he sure reminds me of a young Jamir Jagr

schneidw


Fri May 17 2019 7:36 pm EST

Rhet, there is zero chance that Rangers will make an offer sheet for a top RFA. They no longer own NYR 2nd or 3rd in 2020, which is a must to have when it comes to offer sheets. Not only team making offer needs to pony up $9/10 mil for the privilege to sign someone’s RFA, team also needs to give top picks. In case of Poknt, possible 4 1st... Can’s see any team making this kind of an offer, let alone Rangers, who are loaded in the middle....

andrei


Fri May 17 2019 7:20 pm EST

Optimistic.... I was listening to SPORTSNET650 earlier and they seemed to think that the VANCOUVER CANUCKS would have interest in KEVIN SHATTENKIRK.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 6:12 pm EST

Rhet, there is zero chance that Rangers will make an offer sheet for a top RFA. They no longer own NYR 2nd or 3rd in 2020, which is a must to have when it comes to offer sheets. So unless trade with Canes is coming, nothing will happen. Don’t see any team giving up picks for a privilege to sign a player to a $9/10/11 mil contract and giving up 4 1st rounders in the process...

andrei


Fri May 17 2019 5:48 pm EST

Andy Strickland @andystrickland.... No surprise John Davidson is headed to New York. Can safely say running the #NYR is his dream job. JD belongs in New York

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 5:19 pm EST

Some dude masquerading as the Dallas Stars Twitter put up a bogus announcement that Zucc signed there for 5 years and Spector retweeted it. Pretty funny stuff.

Bob


Fri May 17 2019 5:15 pm EST

Will jd retire Rosen for this one will last a lifetime curse?

Stevielegs


Fri May 17 2019 5:10 pm EST

Elliott Freidman on his 31 thoughts podcast said that the Rangers might be looking to offer sheet Point. Strong possibility he says they throwing something at him.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 5:09 pm EST

Jd should have enough insight to decide on pursuing panarin or not. I would think he will instruct the gm accordingly.

Stevielegs


Fri May 17 2019 5:01 pm EST

Karlsson to the Rangers makes no sense to me unless he's willing to sign for 1/2 of some say he'll get.

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 4:14 pm EST

Sather is still the governor

Stevielegs


Fri May 17 2019 4:13 pm EST

Chateau bow wow fishnagels

Stevielegs


Fri May 17 2019 4:01 pm EST

Soooo...a rumor circulating now that Erik KARLSSON really wants to come to NYC or Tampa...third-hand, so take it for what it’s worth, which is nothing...and TBH, I still have no idea how or why the Rangers would add a UFA RHS defenseman with SHATTENKIRK, DeANGELO and PIONK...and now FOX...so I kind of find this suspect on a number of levels...but I do know he and HANK are tight...so could the Rangers send Shatty AND Pionk/DeA packing, and if so, how do they accomplish the first task? The other suggestion Chris Johnston of Hockey Canada made was that KARLSSON joins another favorite countryman: Vic HEDMAN. That sort of arrangement sounds even crazier given what Tampa needs(muscle)and their cap space...BUT...just spitballing here...what if they decided to deal with a team like...say...the Rangers...and move a contract like CALLAHAN and maybe regain that late first rounder and/or a prospect like KATCHOUK for...say...the Lightning’s second rounder, and maybe someone like PIONK.

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 3:38 pm EST

BOB - yes, Sather leaving is the epitomy of addition by subtraction...Not so sure Davidson adds much of anything though...The key will be his relationship and chemistry with Gordo..time will tell..

Hospo


Fri May 17 2019 3:30 pm EST

Very happy about JD’s return. No more Sather!

Bob


Fri May 17 2019 3:11 pm EST

So JD goes from the BLUEshirts, to the BLUES, to the BLUE Jackets and back to the BLUEshirts. Hmmmm...

ColoradoMark


Fri May 17 2019 3:04 pm EST

Rhet0ric - heat, hear! Maybe launch them both into the sun? Or at least bit them on a train to Buffalo.

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 2:46 pm EST

Columbus Blue Jackets @BlueJacketsNHL .... Replying to @NYRangers Take care of him, will ya?

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:41 pm EST

THE GLENN SATHER ERA IS OFFICIALLY FREAKING OVER!!!

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:41 pm EST

THE GLENN SATHER ERA IS OFFICIALLY FREAKING OVER!!!

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:34 pm EST

BTW, CARP and the Blue Jackets official account were the first ones to break the news on JD, not Brooks. LB brought up the rear once again.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:26 pm EST

Leos, Ohhh Baby !!!!

Ilya


Fri May 17 2019 2:25 pm EST

JD's first order of Business: ...1-Fire Lindy Ruff ...2-Fire Joe Micheletti

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:16 pm EST

Lb is broken clock right again

Stevielegs


Fri May 17 2019 2:06 pm EST

LEGS BELONGS TO THE WALL!!! THERE WILL BE NO THEFT OF LEGS!!!

mf


Fri May 17 2019 2:05 pm EST

Sean Hartnett @HartnettHockey .... John Davidson: “I am excited and humbled to be named the President of the New York Rangers. The opportunity of rejoining the Rangers organization and returning home to New York, where my family and I have spent so many wonderful years, was one I simply could not pass up." #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:05 pm EST

if you haven't seen Kakko's latest goal, stop what you're doing and watch...https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2019/wm/schedule

pete


Fri May 17 2019 2:04 pm EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: John Davidson has been named #NYR President.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 2:04 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello @RickCarpiniello .... Now official: #NYR announce John Davidson is the new team president.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 1:47 pm EST

Once President, JD will finally have the authority to call the cops when someone steals the Rangers legs!

LeoS


Fri May 17 2019 1:47 pm EST

Oops...didn't realize you have to 'be a member'. Sorry!

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 1:46 pm EST

Some decent reading - this story is in THN 2019 Future Watch magazine and I just found it online. Nothing new but worth a read I think as we impatiently wait for the June draft: https://thehockeynews.com/all-access/article/the-rangers-committed-to-a-taking-step-back-so-they-could-take-greater-step-forward

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 1:33 pm EST

John Shannon @JSportsnet .... The announcement of John Davidson being named President of the NY Rangers will occur sometime this afternoon.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 1:25 pm EST

Spelling was awful. St Louis into a contender.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 1:23 pm EST

Hospo... He's actually 6-7 in regard to making the playoffs and St. Louis was a shambles when he got there. He's also left organizations better than they were than when he got there. You could argue that he built them into a contender... That said, I'm kind of ambivealnt about the signing. JD tends to be more involved with personnel than maybe 98% of other NHL teams. MY greatest wish is that he is able to placate DOLAN enough to prevent from interfering with all things NYR's. That should be job one after straightening out Hartford.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 1:02 pm EST

BTW, ZUCCARELLO has not re-signed, NOW back to the JD side show.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 12:59 pm EST

Thanks for the 1st Rounder..... Dallas Stars @brandonco4 .... HE’S BACK! The Dallas Stars have signed Mats Zuccarello to a five-year contract extension with an AAV of $4.5M. #GoStars

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 12:59 pm EST

TD: I understand and totally agree with all of that. My point was merely that IMHO what we are seeing in these WC is far more relevant and predictive of what these kids will be able to do at the NHL level then the WJC could ever be. And for the record I don't have a preference when it comes to HUGHES or KAKKO. Both have different strengths and weaknesses. It is kind of like picking between drafting McDAVID or drafting MALKIN. Very different players. Both supremely talented. The only thing that nags at me in the back of my mind is that while HUGHES may turn out to be more spectacular in terms of piling up points in the regular season, KAKKO may be the better player in the playoffs due to his size and strength. But there is no way to know if that is true or not. Either way I'm happy. I just wish we could get them both but it is really a miracle that the Rangers will have either one.

Vic


Fri May 17 2019 12:54 pm EST

I liked Davidson as an announcer and he was a half decent goalie for the Rangers but, if the Rangers care about winning the CUP, they are making a mistake with the guy...He's been in charge of teams for 13 years...More than half of the time his team missed the POs, only twice did the win a PO round..Now, if the Rangers just want a jovial fan favorite PR friendly guy at the top, I guess he's the man..

Hospo


Fri May 17 2019 12:39 pm EST

Dan Rosen @drosennhl.... John Davidson is officially leaving the Columbus Blue Jackets, resignation official today. In press release from CBJ, team says the Rangers sought permission to speak wth JD about their president job and that permission was granted.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 12:37 pm EST

Brooksie is touching himself right now and saying aloud “I STILL GOT IT!!!” Of course, my cat could have called this move...

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 12:35 pm EST

Vic - you’re also not taking into context where these two guys are playing...KAKKO is on a Finnish team that is largely devoid of NHLers. He is a top talent and getting oodles of ice...HUGHES, like he was in the WJCs, is being relegated to a third line slot. He’s not getting the minute that KAKKO is, not is he getting special team play...if you’re a Ranger or Devils scout and you’re watching third tourney like it's a revelation of sorts, you’ve been asleep at the switch. KAKKO is showing nothing new, it’s just that America is watching now. Remember too that’s he played with men in Liiga. He’s the more physically mature and more polished of the two...he’s playing on familiar ice and with familiar teammates. OF COURSE he’s shining. The only way his performance would come as a surprise is if he DIDN’T shine...all that aside, I hope you’re right and the Devils are now saying that KAKKO is their guy...because getting HUGHES would be stupid good for this organization. There is absolutely zero question in my mind...highlight reel goals and all...that HUGHES has the higher ceiling of the two....but again...there IS no wrong choice here. Devils take Hughes? We win. Devils take Kakko? We win. But I strongly doubt this tourney has hanged anything.

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 12:25 pm EST

John Davidson resigns from Blue Jackets, Rangers return imminent... https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/john-davidson-resigns-from-blue-jackets-rangers-return-imminent/

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 12:23 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello @RickCarpiniello... Hearing that #CBJ will be announcing John Davidson's resignation as president shortly. Davidson will then in short order be named president of the Rangers. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 12:18 pm EST

RF4L - the ONLY...and I mean positively ONLY reason I read Brooksie’s bullshit is because folk here start commenting on it. And much in the way I don’t like commenting on players I don’t see, I don’t like comment on a story/column I haven’t read. I actually make a point to NOT read Brooks. Don’t follow him on Twitter and I sure as shit don’t read that ridiculous Murdoch rag that has the unabashed audacity to pay his worthless braindead ass. I don’t make it a practice of reading stuff that is 90 percent verifiably false or inaccurate and that is basically Brooks in a nutshell. Throw on top of it thang he’s an unprofessional piece of shit...and...well...

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 11:05 am EST

R47: There is another factor that I haven't heard talked about much that I think will come into play. HUGHES is an American. From a marketing perspective the Devils need a superstar American player to market. They desperately need the attention that he will bring from the American media if he turns out to be one of the top players in the league. It isn't that I don't think KAKKO will be a star (I do). I just think from a marketing perspective HUGHES can and will do a lot more for NJ as a franchise then KAKKO can or will. And I don't think the Devils could stomach the thought of the attention that the Rangers would get with HUGHES being the face of the Rangers franchise for the next 10+ years.

Vic


Fri May 17 2019 10:55 am EST

TD: We've argued about putting too much stock in tournaments in the past. But I have to tell you I couldn't disagree with you more about this tournament compared to the WJC. The WJC is a tournament made up of nothing but kids. Most of whom will never see the NHL. Only a very small percentage of guys who play in the WJC are NHL career caliber players. So IMHO those tournaments are relevant for gauging a player's current development level with respect to other kids. However, they say little to nothing about a player's development level with respect to playing in the NHL. That is why a kid like ANDERSSON can look better then many of his peers at the WJC because he is more physically developed then almost all of them and his skill set is at a level that is average to better then most of them. However, it doesn't translate to the NHL. People thought ANDERSSON was NHL ready based on his performance at the WJC but he clearly wasn't then, and still isn't IMHO. However the WC is a different animal. The US, Canada, Russia and Swedish teams are almost completely NHL players. And many of the rest have a significant number of NHL players and stars on them. This is a tournament played by men, not kids. So when you see an 18 year old kid like KAKKO looking dominant it is for real. He IS NHL ready. And to say that he has hit his potential at 18 is silly to me. And while I haven't watched every team USA game I can tell you that what I've seen from HUGHES has been impressive. He has had some bad luck for sure otherwise he could have 10+ points in this tournament. He is lightning quick and can do everything with the puck at top speed. He has great vision and elite passing ability. My only knock on him so far is that he has been very easy to knock off his feet. He doesn't have the size or strength that KAKKO has (and never will). He will get stronger on his skates as he matures physically but that will never be a strength of his game. But his skill level is definitely elite.

Vic


Fri May 17 2019 10:44 am EST

TD...in the end LB's job is to drive readership to his stuff and the Post. You loath him yet still read his stuff. He's doing his job in otherwords. Yeah I don't agree with lots of his stuff but certainly don't let that wind me up like a clock! There are other more relevant things to do that with!!

RF4l


Fri May 17 2019 10:39 am EST

After seeing the NHL coverage and interview of Hughes as the clear #1 pick at the draft, you have to wonder how NJ management could possibly pass on him without risking the huge backlash they would receive, especially if he exceeds Kakko as expected. Got to think Hughes-Kakko is pretty much a certainty.

Ranger47


Fri May 17 2019 10:37 am EST

JFC - if you’re writing for Blueline Station, fine. But he’s not. And read my post. You think he should start music about trading for Auston MATTHEWS?!? I mean, why not? It’s just meaningless nonsense. Great if you’re a blogger or on Twitter...stupid of you call yourself a goddamn journalist...or vindicating for someone like me who believes he’s a worthless braindead hack who is pumping there well of his vapid mind in a desperate attempt to seem relevant ina world that has long since passed him by...

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 10:22 am EST

Guys, guys, guys....this is the Worlds. I’m not gonna say it’s a meaningless tourney, because it’s not. But realize this ain’t no WJCs...this is a massive pond hockey tournament played on big ice that has a shit-ton of really piss-poor teams in it. Not to undercut the incredible tourney that KAKKO is having, but the Only reasonably tough opponent they’ve faced thus far has been the US...so while he’s going up against some good competition...well...he’s not really showing anything different that he did all season in Liiga. Just every Ranger and Devil fan is watching because neither team is in the playoffs...had KAKKO come into the tourney ranked at 5th or 6th overall? Yeah, I’d say his performance would elevate him to a higher draft spot...I see this happening, for instance, with mf’s boy Moritz SEIDER, who is having a really good tourney for a kid and has been getting increasing ice time...he was slated to go 19-25...and at this rate, I could see him going 12-19...though he looked like he got injured versus Slovakia...but back to KAKKO...I just can’t see this performance changing his draft outlook. It’s not that he isn’t an incredible talent...but rather WYSIWYG...I don’t see him climbing his potential curve. Rather he is there...HUGHES is at the base and starting his ascent.

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 10:15 am EST

TSN Trade Bait board (includes current team and years left on current deal).... #1 Phil Kessel(PIT-3 YRS)... #2 Jacob Trouba(WPG-RFA)... #3 Ryan Callahan(TBL-1 YR)... #4 Jason Zucker(MIN-4 YRS)... #5 P.K. Subban(NSH-3 YRS)... #6 Michael Frolik(CGY-1 YR)... #7 Connor Brown(TOR-1 YR)... #8 Kyle Turris(NSH-5 YRS)... #9 Kevin Shattenkirk(NYR-2 YRS)... #10 Artemi Panarin(CBJ-UFA)... #11 Travis Hamonic(CGY-1YR)... #12 Nikita Zaitsev(TOR-5 YRS)... #13 Olli Maatta(PIT-3 YRS)... #14 Collin Miller(VGK-3YRS)... #15 Milan Lucic(EDM-4YRS)

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 10:11 am EST

TD - why does Brooks have to write in a manner you see fit, whatever that is? He is CONJECTURING, putting out possibilities for Rangers fans to consider.....in the middle of May, what's wrong with that? It gives us something to react to. I GUARANTEE that even the most highly respected hockey writers in CANADA do the same thing during the dog days.....and for the Rangers, the "dog days" started after the end of the regular season. OK, you think this HHOF writer is a boob and a jack-ass and whatever else....that has nothing to do with articles like this.

JFC31


Fri May 17 2019 10:09 am EST

Oh c’mon...Brooks’ column is “not that bad?!?” It’s preposterous. And RF, it’s one thing when a fan sits there and throws out a ludicrous trade proposal. It’s a totally different t matter when a guy who allegedly knows hockey(he doesn’t) and writes for a mainstream publication throws them out there...so let me dissect this one...I will admit that MALKIN isn’t a wholly ludicrous idea...he’s not the cup winning center I’d go after, but he fits the mold of the type of player I think a young Ranger team could really use...but with that out of the way...look: the Pens have been pretty crystal clear about their direction and their shorty showing against the Islanders ain’t about to change that...Bottom line is there are several others who are ahead of MALKIN on the chopping block...and by several, I mean most of the goddamn team, sans CROSBY and LETANG...next, morons have been speculations FOR YEARS about how Malkin would get moved...how it was inevitable...how it would make the Pens better...I know this well, because I was one of those morons...yet SHERO and now RUTHERFORD have had no appetite to trade him...and rightly so...but let’s just say for a moment that they DO now see the light...look...it AIN’T gonna be some mishmash of 30-point forwards in their mid-20s. I mean, even a fucking Ranger fanboy wouldn’t honestly believe that....MALKIN deal would start with a top line player(choose one: BUCHNEVICH or KREIDER) and then slide into a formidable collection of young players and prospects...so maybe HOWDEN, MILLER and a first. Or if VESEY is in the deal, CHYTIL...here’s the long and the short: any deal for Malkin...if there was any offered...would be waaaaay too rich for the Rangers, who would be better off trading those parts individually...but it’s all goddamn moot, because there’s simply no way the Pens are moving Malkin...KESSEL? Yes. MAATA? Yes. I could see HORNQVIST moved. But I really don’t see them pulling the plug on their team, which I is what trading MALKIN would do. It’s acknowledging a rebuild and I doubt anyone in Pittsburgh has a stomach for that yet. So yeah, Brooksie is a fucking idiot. And he gets paid for making up trades that make what moof’s tradorator occasional spits out look well-reasoned...

tdchi


Fri May 17 2019 10:01 am EST

I just can’t see the NJD passing on Hughes. Kakko is having an impressive tourney and he looks great. But that’s not a reflection of the talent difference between the two. Only Kakko is more mature right now. Hughes is a better player. He’s just behind a little and doesn’t have the experience in highest level hockey. I cannot ignore what he brought to the tourneys with guys his age. He was amazing.

E


Fri May 17 2019 9:32 am EST

Why do I get the feeling if the Devils take Kakko the rangers will overspend on Panarin for Hughes ???

shonuff


Fri May 17 2019 9:19 am EST

Bob: The Memorial Cup starts this weekend - usually a fabulous tourney. I'm keeping an eye on Lavoie. 20 goals in 23 PO games (and 32 pts) for his Halifax team. The next closest scorer for the Mooseheads had half the goals and 20 points. He carried that team, finally utilizing his considerable talents to their maximum. No doubt that effort bumped up his stock so I find it hard to believe he'll be there at 20, but you never know; there's a lot of talented forwards in this year's draft and he could slip through.

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 9:13 am EST

Rhet: If you can land Malkin for Lindgren and Vesey it's tough to turn down. He's still a very good player. Kinda moot tho - it's not going to happen.

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 9:12 am EST

RDW: I say yes for sure. The fly in the ointment is how confident can they be that they'll sign Panarin. From what I can discern all things are pointing to Florida (apparently both he and Bobo were publicly vacationing in Miami recently - not necessarily a confirmation but for sure drawing attention). Of course, if/when JD comes on board, he might be able to shed some more light on the possibilities of Panarin coming to the Rangers.

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 8:35 am EST

Malkin won’t be coming to NY. It remains to be seen if Pittsburgh can snooker Florida into taking him. Maybe it is because the Rangers are not involved, but these playoffs have had a bunch of sweeps and still seem to be taking forever. I would love to see the season shortened and the finals be completed by May 15th. Memorial Day at the outside.

Bob


Fri May 17 2019 8:32 am EST

Since the draft is over a week before free agency starts I would assume the NYR would have to "know" (wink, wink) that Panarin was going to sign before you would entertain trading Kreider at the draft?

RF73


Fri May 17 2019 8:29 am EST

RF4L... Why would you trade any assets for a 33 year old player(in July) who looks like he's breaking down? He's pretty far away from the guy who carried the PENS to their first cup AND it would also help Pittsburgh out with their cap situation. Why would we ever do that? Let them suffer in Cap Hell I say.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 17 2019 7:47 am EST

RF4L: I’m wondering how the possibility of signing Panarin effects what happens with Kreider. If they are truly all in on going after Panarin then you would think there is a good chance KK goes at the draft, right?

RDW


Fri May 17 2019 7:46 am EST

After over 20 years I don’t remember The Wall be better than it is right now. Too many names to list. Thanks

Pal17


Fri May 17 2019 6:58 am EST

Just read LB's column - it's not that bad; he's not predicting Malkin will be a Ranger nor saying 'informed sources' are whispering it. He's purely him musing to the point where he actually talk a few different avenues, most of which we've talked to death on here about so far as we impatiently wait for the June draft. FWIW, if Lindgren and Vesey was enough I'd be in. But of course it won't be. A prime asset (or 2) would have go and that is why it's not going to happen. Therefore, the same old questions remain: Is it Hughes or KK the Rangers will get to select? Is Kreider staying or going? Will Gorton move up in the draft? What other current Rangers are being shopped? What happens July 1? Each one of these questions once answered could bring in significant results.

rF4l


Fri May 17 2019 5:57 am EST

Lb is doing what most do here , except he puts it as questions with opinions. If jd is going to be the next president, then he will influence the direction the gm is to try and go . The Nyr have decisions to make on what to do next besides getting the #2 pick that the Debbies leave them. The question is will they pick lose for Hughes or block the nyr from getting Kaapo Kakko ? I wonder who the Nyr would pick if they had the #1 pick. Luckily otbg can’t influence that pick .

Stevielegs


Fri May 17 2019 5:40 am EST

Trade - guess who was responsible for getting those 2 phuck faces to BOS: https://youtu.be/gVXlttZta44

Limbo


Thu May 16 2019 10:59 pm EST

Seriously, Brooks has dipped to the level of Blueline Station...maybe even worse. He has no credible sources with the Rangers, little insight into hockey and he's a moron to boot. I seriously want to punch myself every time I get goaded into reading one of his bullshit columns.

tdchi


Thu May 16 2019 10:11 pm EST

MF: the puck lands differently off the safety net. I see so many set plays off the net happening. Cross corner dumps where the puck gets up nice and high and takes a long time to come down. For sure, there is a large canvas available to improve the game right now. Perhaps we could just start with calling games thru 82 the same way it will be during the playoffs. I admire some refs desire to just let them play if they are keeping it down somewhat. But it’s one of the odd things about hockey. It has a ref dial and it is at the refs discretion. And the only sport where they go to the bench and warn players that they’re gonna start handing out penalties. If it’s a penalty, then it’s a penalty. I’m personally of the thought of “let them play...” honestly, show me bad hockey when the players feel some semblance of freedom on the ice. You’ll never see it. Players wanna play. Let them settle it.

E


Thu May 16 2019 9:58 pm EST

so the team with two of the biggest phuck faces .....Chara and Ratchand move on to the SCF........interesting

tradestar28


Thu May 16 2019 9:44 pm EST

RF4L: Actually a non-Catholic Pope might be an interesting change... :)

Ranger47


Thu May 16 2019 9:31 pm EST

I'd like to see them beta-test "No stoppage in play" when Pucks hit the netting over the glass, just let the play resume... Maybe dictate that the puck must hit the ice first before you can swipe at it....

mf


Thu May 16 2019 9:16 pm EST

In English soccer, there is goal line technology and if the ball crosses the line, it buzzed the referee who immediately calls it a goal. Why not, NHL? The technology is there. Video reviews? I would have no problem with using that for puck over glass, puck in the netting, hand passes leading to goals, etc. I am not in favor of it for penalties........that is why you have referees, the ref program needs to be rebooted. Officials should call penalties and NHLDPS should dish out suspensions based on the act and the intent, and not by the result of the hit. To recap.....they gave Vegas a game for Pavelski falling on his head, yet they gave McAvoy 2 minutes for a deliberate and clear head shot, and they gave Blais nothing for the head shot last night. No more offside or goalie interference challenges.

Bob


Thu May 16 2019 8:40 pm EST

The Rangers trading for Malkin = my chances of being the next Pope (to be clear, I'm not catholic).

rF4l


Thu May 16 2019 7:14 pm EST

I see I was way off on the pens contacts. Excellent. Down with the ship.

shonuff


Thu May 16 2019 6:50 pm EST

BOB: and lose the shootout. I hate that gimmick. It’s nowhere near as exciting as it should be. But I do think tech has a huge role to play in the NHL in the coming years.

E


Thu May 16 2019 6:48 pm EST

BOB: Giving the officials the ability to judge whether something had an impact on the play or not would drastically cut down on the number of offside replays. Coaches aren't going to call for a replay if they know they have almost no chance of the call being reversed. It would get rid of the frivolous challenges.

Vic


Thu May 16 2019 6:41 pm EST

According to Cap Friendly: Malkin - 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, UFA 2022-2023; Crosby - 8.7, 8.7, 8.7, 8.7, 8.7, 8.7, UFA

RF73


Thu May 16 2019 6:35 pm EST

Colin Campbell said today that Dan O’Halloran is the best ref in the NHL. Shows how clueless he and everyone in the league office is. Pete DeBoer is #2 on my list of arrogant a-hole coaches that I despise (after Squirrely Bowman). I was not the biggest Torts guy, but I loved it when he went at it with DeBoer in the old days. I do think the league has to completely re-think how they officiate games. I don’t want to see a boatload of video reviews. I think they should use technology for goals, in picks and nets to determine goals like soccer in Europe does. It would be great if they could do the same for offside. And I would like video review for goalie interference and offside to go away permanently.

Bob


Thu May 16 2019 6:20 pm EST

As much as I would love to break the Pens up and put that behind me it makes zero sense what Brooks is saying. Also the Pens will probably have one more quick run with them in 2 years if they remain healthy as the cap hits on Sid and Malkin go way down. I think anyway....whatever

shonuff


Thu May 16 2019 6:05 pm EST

LB turning the screw with his rusty driver again. Just drivel

E


Thu May 16 2019 6:04 pm EST

Perfect for jimmyboy...https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/779387/nba-draft-combine-Tacko-Fall-G-League-Elite-camp-basketball

Stevielegs


Thu May 16 2019 5:49 pm EST

Rhet: Brooks has indeed lost his mind. We have Zbad, Chytil, LA, Howden, and Krav/Kakko(soon), who all have the ability to play center. Why add a 33 year old making 9.5 per year to the mix? Makes no sense to me. Pittsburgh needs to do some serious tinkering with their lineup and I want no part in helping get out of that hole.

RDW


Thu May 16 2019 5:06 pm EST

LB has lost his mind with MALKIN.... Evgeni Malkin trade is the wild card in Rangers’ Artemi Panarin pursuit....https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/evgeni-malkin-trade-is-the-wild-card-in-rangers-artemi-panarin-pursuit/

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 5:03 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie.... Column. Panarin or Malkin? Or neither? (link: https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/evgeni-malkin-trade-is-the-wild-card-in-rangers-artemi-panarin-pursuit/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons) nypost.com/2019/05/16/evg… via @nypostsports

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 4:56 pm EST

BOB, STEVIE and WILDCARD: I meant to reply to your posts last night about the hand pass goal. I wasn't watching the game all night. I turned it on to get the final score and saw OT was about to start so I watched it. I was as stunned as everyone. My son said "They are just going to leave the ice????". It was yet another black eye for the league in this playoffs where they have been many. I know everyone hates the offsides challenges but I have an easy way to fix that, and just about everything else. I think the coaches should have the ability to challenge just about anything, even penalty and non penalty calls. But they should be limited to two a game. But here is the catch. When the officials do their reviews they should have the ability to judge whether or not the issue in question played an appreciable impact in whatever happened. For example, if there is a challenge for offsides the officials should be able to make their own judgement call as to if it had any impact in the play or not. The LANDESKOG offsides is a great example. It had no bearing on the play. If a player has his back skate in the air it has no bearing on the play. If a guy is busting his ass trying to get out of the zone to tag up but the puck comes in a hair before he goes flying into the NZ there is no bearing on the play. Just allow the officials to use their own judgement when looking at the replays (bring back the human element). It would take away most of the silliness and issues with reviews. And coaches would be able challenge anything that needed to really be reviewed because the call was screwed up badly.

Vic


Thu May 16 2019 4:07 pm EST

guess schoenfeld wanted to be president , but wasn't offered sather's job .

stevielegs


Thu May 16 2019 3:23 pm EST

Alex Nunn @aj_ranger .... Here's a good look at the Kakko assist. Has his head up searching pass.... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1129119167091757057?s=20

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 3:14 pm EST

KAKKO.... https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1129103557121191936?s=20

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 3:09 pm EST

Re: NYLANDER - sweet lord, anyone who thinks his contract is bad hasn’t watched enough of him play...worth every penny. It’s a bummer for Toronto, because they’ve got so many big contracts...but I tell you what: There are 30 teams that will be on line for Nyls when Toronto inevitably trades him...I know some folks like to look at last season as some sort of defining moment for him...but it was a wash. You simply can’t sit out of the NHL for that long and be expected to get into the game...it’s part of why the 2013 season was such a wash...half the league was just garbage...and the other half was in questionable shape...I don’t care if you have the best trainers in the world...nothing can prepare you for NHL play like NHL play...he’ll come back next year and get right back on the saddle...I see NYLANDER as an 75-80 point player, provided he gets the top-line minutes. And that makes him a bargain.

tdchi


Thu May 16 2019 2:52 pm EST

RF4L - certainly the Pack has their bumps and warts with SCHOENFELD as GM...but I tell you what: he was a FUCK of a lot better than DRURY has been thus far. The talent level has zilch to do with it, as last year demonstrated in spades. There was ZERO reason for the Pack to be as unbelievably bad as they were. NONE. Maybe they weren’t destined for greatness or anything...but with the vets they had and the kids they had, they should have AT LEAST been a bounce team...and I’ll give Schoeny credit where credit is due: the Pack went to the conference finals with him as GM. And you know what? The Rangers graduated a decent number of NHLers under his tenure...MILLER, KREIDER, FAST, SKJEI, LINDBERG, now NIEVES and GRAVES...I wouldn’t be send up the 12 gun salute to the guy, but he was AT BARE MINIMUM 100 times better than the shit we have now...not sure what the fuck Drury’s problem is, but he brought on a guy who had no business behind the bench. And then he basically torpedoed the team midway through last season by trading away it’s captain. In his very limited defense, I though the Pack would be a very competitive team last season...but shit...the problems were blistering clear by January. And he should have canned his coach by then...also sending guys like RONNING, DAY, and GROPP to his butt-buddy BRIERRE in the ECHL was very suspect...so yeah...sort to see him go...but maybe now they’ll get someone who can kick Drury’s freeloading ass into gear.

tdchi


Thu May 16 2019 2:43 pm EST

TD: I'm recording the game. I knew it was going to be a KAKKO goal highlight but I just had to watch it anyway. WOW, I can't wait to see him in a Ranger uniform! I'm sorry BOO but you are going to need to give up #24.....

Vic


Thu May 16 2019 2:42 pm EST

RF4L: not sure what you mean...an AHL club needs an NHL parent to operate so 100% of the teams have an NHL affiliation.

Wildcard


Thu May 16 2019 2:40 pm EST

NEWFIE: Of all people you should know that I am right there with you on trying to buy a Cup, especially in a Cap world. My view has always been that you build with elite talent through the draft, get the best years out of guys and then trade them away just before they hit UFA status in their late 20s. But the league is changing. That first contract after the ELC expires is becoming the time to lock up young players for longer term at bigger money. That is the kind of contract that NYLANDER has. And I am much less afraid of him living up to that contract then I am of a guy like PANARIN being paid $12 Mil per year into his mid 30s. Let me put it this way. STEPAN never had a 60 point season in his career yet 4 years ago he got a contract for just $460k less then NYLANDER has against the Cap. NYLANDER hasn't even hit his best years yet. NYLANDER's contract doesn't scare me.

Vic


Thu May 16 2019 2:36 pm EST

Granted, this is against Denmark...but this is about as close to Ranger fan hockey porn as you get: https://twitter.com/stevenellisthn/status/1129102699683876868?s=12

tdchi


Thu May 16 2019 2:17 pm EST

On Schoenfeld - how much did he have to do with the mess that's been the Hartford Wolfpack for the past 4 or 5 years? I realize part of the problem was a lack of skill due to Sather's love of trading away draft picks, but there are independent AHL teams that fare reasonably well.

rf4L


Thu May 16 2019 2:16 pm EST

Vic ….can you please keep in mind that those 60 pts in the regular season mean absolutely nothin'. Kucherov cannot be a better poster boy for this. I know that salaries are rising every year but neither of the 4 remaining teams have a 10M player and no team has ever won a cup with a 10M player. Toronto will have THREE plus little old Nylander. It's just my opinion but I'll say it again, Nylander is not and never will be worth his contract in TO. His Father, Dubas and Nylander think otherwise for sure.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu May 16 2019 2:11 pm EST

Can't recall who was in charge but I remember Clark gushing over the McI pick. He was marveling over McI's nastiness and physical play but was equally positive about the kid's emerging offensive skills. Clark wasn't predicting he'd become Bobby Orr I but did say he would make a great PP point guy because of his shot.

rf4L


Thu May 16 2019 2:06 pm EST

NEWFIE: NYLANDER had two 61 point seasons in the NHL when he was 20 and 21 years old. Last season was a lost season for him with everything that happened and he still wasn't too far off his previous point total pace all things considered. He just turned 23 two weeks ago. So he is just entering his physical prime years now. He is 5 years younger then PANARIN. You know.....the best 5 years of a players career. NYLANDER is locked up for 5 more years at just under $7 Mil per year. That is a bargain compared to the $12 Mil per year that people want to throw at PANARIN for a 7 year term.

Vic


Thu May 16 2019 1:25 pm EST

Rhet....re: Nylander….he is not shaking off the rust,it's just him playing in the Worlds. He is not and never will be worth his present contract in TO. He robbed that little brat GM Dubas blind.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu May 16 2019 12:51 pm EST

Jess Rubinstein is an asshat.

E


Thu May 16 2019 12:50 pm EST

NCRANGER: wasn't it Maloney that drafted McIlrath?

schneidw


Thu May 16 2019 12:48 pm EST

Andrei - collectively, I'm not sure what the history of our drafting looks like between STL/CLB vs. NYR. But I can tell you this...as the Rangers bypassed Tarasenko only to draft McIlrath, as I was fuming (as I had Tarsenko pegged), I got to watch JD and his STL staff go the podium 4 or 5 selections later to draft the Russian phenom. I remember it well. Gordie's biggest draft day blunder to date...Not sure if his staff was here during the Jessiman, Montoya blunders. I believe those pre-dated his arrival.

NCRanger


Thu May 16 2019 12:43 pm EST

Igor Eronko @IgorEronko .... Ivan Telegin who's in team Russia now and who's contract with CSKA has expired (drafted by the Jets, UFA at the moment) says he looks for a deal in the NHL.... Also per CapFriendly @CapFriendly .... Ivan Telegin, whose rights are currently held by #NHLJets, turned 27 on February 28th and as a result will officially come off Winnipeg's Reserve List on June 30th, allowing him to sign with any club he chooses come July 1st.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 12:27 pm EST

Jess Rubenstein @TheProspectpark .... If it was up to me I would promote Steve Konowalchuk to become the coach at Hartford. He did a very good job as a teaching coach with Seattle (WHL) where he had Ryan Gropp and Matt Barzal

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 12:24 pm EST

If Clark stepped down: per Jess Rubenstein @TheProspectpark .... It won't affect the scouting staff much this season UNLESS (if he is hired) JD brings some of his staff from Columbus. A few of the scouts (IE Dore and Bernard) are closer to retirement age.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 12:20 pm EST

Jess Rubenstein @TheProspectpark .... Clark has two years left on deal, he is close friends with Gorton as it was Clark who convinced Sather to hire him. They both live in New England so I can see Clark stepping down to be a "consultant" to Gorton. Risebrough would go too

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 12:15 pm EST

My thoughts exactly...JD/New Pres. comes in and puts Gorton on a short leash...prove to me you deserve your job/title before I reward you...or do they sign him to an promotion/extension only to fire him...ala Vigneault?

RF73


Thu May 16 2019 12:15 pm EST

Gordie Clark joined the team in 2002. Since then scouting has being getting better and better each year. Would not be good if we loose him. Can't say JD scouts in Stl or Cbs have done a good job. Much rather see Clark staying till at least rebuild is completed..

andrei


Thu May 16 2019 12:13 pm EST

TD: Regarding your thoughts from yesterday about the roster, that is exactly what I have been thinking. And I agree with TRADE that the KREIDER situation is basically the linchpin into whatever moves are, or are not made. Personally, I still think KREIDER will be resigned for the myriad of reasons we talked about here over the last few months. The Rangers already have a full roster now, and that doesn't count KAKKO and KRAPSHOT. I can see the Rangers doing a "many for one" type deal to free up some roster spots but then you have to ask who the One is that they would be bringing in. And getting those deals to work is never easy. But could a deal like that go down for NYLANDER??? Sure it could. And frankly that makes more sense to me then going after PANARIN. But again there are so many different possible ways this thing can go in the off season that it almost makes no sense to even try to speculate. The draft will be here in 5 weeks. It can't come soon enough.....

Vic


Thu May 16 2019 11:55 am EST

Or.... maybe the great purge is coming.... per Jess Rubenstein @TheProspectpark .... Schoeny stepping down is the first of what should be a major overhaul of the NYR front office. Whoever takes over JD or ?? will want his own staff. I will bet Gordie Clark steps down after the draft

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 11:45 am EST

RF73... I'm sure they would've found a spot for him in the organization. My guess is that Davidson will add Senior VP to Gorton's list of titles. Just a guess though.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 11:43 am EST

So, JS wasn't going to get Sathers' job...and if JD is coming in JS would have been let go anyway?

RF73


Thu May 16 2019 11:22 am EST

In regard to Jim Schoenfeld: per Rick Carpiniello @RickCarpiniello... Was really tied to Sather, who is also stepping down. Good man

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 11:06 am EST

Interesting... per the New York Rangers @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR SVP & Asst GM Jim Schoenfeld stepped down from his position today.... “In nearly two decades with NYR, Jim made an impact on every level. His tireless efforts and contributions were vital to the extended run of success we experienced during his tenure.” - Glen Sather

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 10:45 am EST

William Nylander is lighting it up at the worlds with 2 goals and 6 assists in three games played. It looks like he's finally shaken off the rust.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 9:41 am EST

E... In Other sports they'll at least try something new to see if it works better/improves the game. In the NHL, they're always scared of slowing the game down or some other nonsense. The one time of the year that they absolutely have to get these calls right is in the playoffs and they continually fail at it in such a horrifying way.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 9:30 am EST

That was a terrible play by the refs. No other way around it. I do think the officiating needs better tools in the NHL. I do think that technology can play a huge role here. I have a friend that does robotics as hobby and he tells me that he can fix the questions on puck location and is it or isn’t a goal easily. He says you can put the thinnest metallic reflective material in a puck. Something that weighed almost nothing, adjust the rubber density ever so slightly to offset the weight change. Run a sensory ribbon around the goal and 100x out of a 100 it will tell you without fail if a puck broke the line and is in. So, if it’s under a goalie, hidden in the catcher. Doesn’t matter, it would automatically light the lamp. There is so much technologically you can do. Puck hit in by a high stick? Freeze the frame and use an iPhone AR measure tool. Problem fixed. I mean so much of the game and it’s speed makes it hard to officiate correctly. And I’m not gonna lie. I’m glad SJ won. But it was gifted. And I could make excuses and point to Lebanc getting his face cross checked in the side of the head by Perron that was in full view of the ref and wasn’t called as justice (as some SJ fans are today) but the truth is that ref was ridiculous on that. And to lose a game at home like that? That could tilt a series. Is the officiating a joke or really has the game just more and more becoming too hard to call for 2refs? I don’t know, Toronto’s war room hasn’t exactly been a spectacular success either.

E


Thu May 16 2019 9:20 am EST

trade - dev-ad the other way - most likely the league fears it will slow the game down too much.

limbo


Thu May 16 2019 9:16 am EST

Only in the NHL.... per Spector's Hockey @SpectorsHockey.... What's more embarrassing: The officials missing Meier's hand pass that led to an overtime goal? Or Meier being awarded an assist for the hand pass the officials supposedly didn't see?

Rhet0ric


Thu May 16 2019 8:14 am EST

just playing devil's advocate......why would the NHL "not" want the eye in the sky referee?

tradestar28


Thu May 16 2019 7:23 am EST

Stevielegs: Fully agree on all of that. The blue line thing is the most silly IMHO, the foot is like 2 feet behind the blue line, but if its off the ice the player somehow under these current rules is seen to have an advantage over a player who's back foot is just touching the blue but on the ice. Makes zero sense. Also I think it would be better to have an official off the ice to monitor things, to have access to replays of everything that leads to a goal...and major penalties, who can buzz down or talk in the ear to the refs or refs on the ice. With technology there is no reason to not get it right, and things like last night CAN be missed, even by 4 officials on the ice....with so many bodies there is a good chance that no-one had a good look at it at ice level, but if a official was off ice seeing the overhead view of the camera they could easily say something to the refs on the ice.

Wildcard


Thu May 16 2019 6:21 am EST

Bob when it’s your team getting or getting away with calls by the refs, it’s called good luck and the hockey gods are helping. Too many teams win because of the level of the officiating. Maybe someday they will go back to one ref on the ice , .....and put one in between the benches . .... part of the reason the Nyr lost to lala in the finals had to do with the officials..... the one that probably bugs me the most is the offside review when a player has his back foot off the ice but it is clearly behind the blue line. It should not have to be on the ice , it should just not have broken the vertical plane of the blue line .

Stevielegs


Thu May 16 2019 1:15 am EST

...and last but not least...even if this only 1% true, you would imagine the Rangers would NOT pursuit Bread Man this summer because they would want to have the duckets to pay Charlie around $8MM x 7. And how much better timing with Staal, Shatty, B. Smith and Henrik coming off the books in 2 years. You gotta figure with Kaapo and Kratsov, Chytil and Buch, Zbad , pest Brendan Lemieux, Georgie and Shesterkin......Rangers biggest priority is building a defensive core...thats why I feel like they will sign Kreider....and let him be the veteran who grows old with these kiddies....

tradestar28


Thu May 16 2019 1:04 am EST

Also, you can read alot of articles about how much McAvoy credits DQ and really gives him high praise.......possibly a re-union?

tradestar28


Thu May 16 2019 1:00 am EST

Here is something interesting to think about......I have a good buddy who lives in Long Beach for last 20 years.....He is not a big hockey fan....but he is friendly some people very close with Charlie Mcavoy....as you recall, Charlie played hockey in Long Island (9th grade) , then to Prep.... and then went on to play @ BU for David Quinn.....and my buddy said that Charlie does not want to sign with the Bruins (he is RFA) but wants to come play for his favorite team (where have we heard this before), the NY Rangers. Also, you got Adam Fox, who is 2 months younger than Charlie, just traded to the NY Rangers. Maybe they are buddies....not sure.....it would be an interesting 1st and 2nd pair RHD's...with maybe Lundkvist as 3rd....Left side of K'Andre Miller, Hajek, and Brady Sjkei....

tradestar28


Wed May 15 2019 11:46 pm EST

what if the bruins and sharks play for the Cup? the refs will really be in trouble figuring out which team to give the advantage.....they may have to not call anything in this situation

tradestar28


Wed May 15 2019 10:32 pm EST

T'was a Hand-pass.....

mf


Wed May 15 2019 10:10 pm EST

This is the 3rd series where the NHL officials gave gifted a game to the Sharks. If the NHL dumps officials when they screw up, they are going to run out of officials. It is an absolute joke.

Bob


Wed May 15 2019 9:58 pm EST

also: we're starting to see that as the feeder system improves, better and better players aren't going to make the "Ranger cut," and we're going to be trading away better duplicative talent in return for "better talent" to plug holes in the line-up...….. OAN (How long are we going to keep GETTINGER before we cut bait on him?)

mf


Wed May 15 2019 9:57 pm EST

#playgloria

tradestar28


Wed May 15 2019 9:53 pm EST

Rhet: Yes.. I want another RHS Defenseman, and MORITZ SEIDER is the obvious candidate... There are some interesting defensemen coming up in the 2020 draft too...….. I just think that we should try to get (trade for) a 3rd 1st round pick for this season and after our #2 pick, choose another Forward & SEIDER the D'man….. It's a good mix IMO

mf


Wed May 15 2019 9:27 pm EST

Got some intel from my cousin who played hockey in Syosset with Fox. He gave me a little intel. Told me he has gotten better at playing his end of the ice but still has a lot of development to do. Says, his skating is great, vision is exceptional in passing. and he has a real nose for the net. Doesn’t play a physical game. So it sounds like there is some real legit skill. Remains to be seen how much that will translate onto an NHL surface.

E


Wed May 15 2019 9:09 pm EST

The Onion @TheOnion .... NHL Warns Hockey Fans That Banging On Glass Scares Players (link: https://trib.al/IxHZ0Rk) trib.al/IxHZ0Rk

Rhet0ric


Wed May 15 2019 8:59 pm EST

MF... Is this the new guy you're going to be mad about when the NYR don't take him? We loaded up on defense last season, but you still want to take another in the first round this year? I'm not sure I get it.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 15 2019 7:01 pm EST

Andrei...ok let me rephrase: Gorton erred in trading a top 6 forward for younger more talented albeit less established player because it was common knowledge that player has had concussions. Many players have - you wanna eliminate frim targeting all who have you're really narrowing things down.

RF4l


Wed May 15 2019 5:25 pm EST

TD- my buddy is very close to Vegras situation- says Chicago likes him. Maybe they move back with their pick and get more- or they could just take the Russian

Puckyou


Wed May 15 2019 5:01 pm EST

Germany 4, France 1 …. Germany scored twice in a four-minute span late in the second period to break a 1-1 deadlock and held on a for a hard-fought win over France..... Matthias Plachta and Edmonton Oilers forward LEON DRAISAITL delivered the key second-period goals for the Germans. MORITZ SEIDER ADDED HIS SECOND GOAL OF THE TOURNAMENT and Korbinian Holzer found the empty net inside the final minute to seal the win...….. Starting netminder Philipp Grubauer, who plays for the NHL's Colorado Avalanche, left the game midway through the second period as a "precautionary measure due to muscular problems." Niklas Treutle kept France off the scoreboard for the game's final 30 minutes to pick up the win in relief. French captain Damien Fleury scored the only goal for his team, which remained seventh in Group A. Germany will look to maintain first-place status Wednesday when it takes on host nation Slovakia. France's search for its first win of the event continues Thursday against Canada...…… https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836189-hockey-world-championship-2019-results-germany-switzerland-take-group-leads

mf


Wed May 15 2019 4:51 pm EST

TD: thanks for the update, critique him please, any scouting report is greatly appreciated...

mf


Wed May 15 2019 3:52 pm EST

Re: KREIDER - interestingly enough, he’s on a line with Jack EICHEL right now. And they’ve been pretty good. Of course, the US has not...but that’s a different story. Nevertheless, if the Rangers are serious about moving him, and they’re also serious about getting into the top 10 of the draft, the moons are most certainly aligning for them...Buffalo has two picks in the first round(granted the other will probably be 29th or 30th), there is INTENSE pressure for them to turn the corner...and pretty much anyone they would get at that draft position wouldn’t help for another two to three years...they will also likely need to replace SKINNER, who has one foot out the door. KREIDER alone would command more than that pick, I suspect...at least another prospect or young player...and I can’t wrap my brain around a trade that would involve those two pieces AND RISTOLAINEN...but who knows? Then again, I don’t think it’s a very smart move for the Rangers to trade away a guy with KREIDER’s speed and physicality...he’s another guy who very much fits the DQ mold.

tdchi


Wed May 15 2019 3:25 pm EST

Fun Fact - this *hopefully* will change with Shestyorkin coming over, but, all NYR draft picks from 2014 to 2016 have played a grand total of 5 games.

limbo


Wed May 15 2019 3:13 pm EST

Re: PANARIN/SKINNER - I still don’t believe either will command $12 million or anywhere near that. Good players, for sure. But if you go down the list of guys making that kind of coin...well...they’re not THAT good. The STONE contract, admittedly, could set the tone...but he’s in the same league as PANARIN and SKINNER...and in the case of the latter, a better, more consistent player. Also, those guys don’t have nearly the size he does...I expect the Breadman will get a STONE-like contract and SKINNER will get just south of that...but speculation aside, I really don’t see the Rangers being a big player for either. Neither player fits what they need per se, which is a leader who is still young, and has a track record of winning. Getting a player like one of those two would help for sure. And probably even pull them into playoff contention...but long term? Why? Even in the short term, signing a top scoring winger would bounce either KREIDER or BUCH off the first line...you’re not gonna sign a guy like that and skate him in your bottom nine...so playing this out, the Rangers will have no fewer than 13 NHL forwards qualified come July 1. BUCH and LEMIEUX are the only two RFAs...and the add in KAKKO to the mix...I mean, I think it’s somewhat safe to say that someone is getting moved at the draft. But even if you move one...or even two forwards...you’re still at 13 with KRAVTSOV and KK factored in...could they play third line? Would they play third line? The Rangers have some crowd control issues to resolve. And fortunately this time they are GOOD ones...the kind all teams want...and my guess is that it does come down to moving guys like STROME, VESEY, NAMESTNIKOV, and maybe even KREIDER...but will they make those kind of wholesale changes TO sign a UFA? I don’t believe they will. And TBH, I have a suspicion that one of the reasons HAYES and ZUCC were moves was that they wanted to open larger roles for CHYTIL, HOWDEN, ANDERSSON and in specific, KRAVTSOV....now KK is about to be in he mix...

tdchi


Wed May 15 2019 2:26 pm EST

mf - you should be tuning into the worlds. Your man SEIDER is going up against Slovakia as we speak.

tdchi


Wed May 15 2019 2:25 pm EST

NCRanger - what he said!

tdchi


Wed May 15 2019 12:47 pm EST

May 27th-June 1st

RDW


Wed May 15 2019 12:42 pm EST

TD - When is the combine?

NCRanger


Wed May 15 2019 11:17 am EST

andrei - I could tell you who I’d draft at third overall, but for the life of me, I couldn’t say who the Hawks will take. Or, for that matter, any of the teams selecting in the 10 slots after that...I can’t tel you how much the Rangers/Devils lucked out to be in the place they are, because there IS no wrong choice. You’re getting a top player no matter what. It’s all about what your team needs. But after that? Jeeze. It’s just wide open. Shit, I could see a guy like ZEGRAS creeping into the top five...I could also see him dropping to 12 or 13....or KALIYEV...possibly too 10? Without a doubt. But easily could fall to 18-20...this is a very good draft, but after one and two...it’s murky. Certainly I would expect COZENS, BYRAM, DACH and PODKOZIN to go in the top 10...but everything is changing pretty much on a daily basis...I think the real key will be the combine...think that’s gonna be the turning point for a lot of how the draft shakes out...I don’t see the Worlds changing anything.

tdchi


Wed May 15 2019 10:49 am EST

rF4l, stop man. Anyone can get a concussion. Difference is a player who is prone to having them and signing him to a max contract.

andrei


Wed May 15 2019 9:59 am EST

This is real news.... Danbury Colonials @DanburyNA3HL... NEWS: Colton Orr named Managing Partner of the Danbury Colonials https://www.danburycolonials.com/penalty-box-to-owners-box-colton-orr-joins-danbury-colonials-ownership-group?fbclid=IwAR15YbqnbxaBvuNBA9cMYihTOIIKsV8eGUqZLiMr50-dC9TeF9PR2QMWq8g

Rhet0ric


Wed May 15 2019 9:37 am EST

Guess we'd better trade Z then.

rF4l


Wed May 15 2019 9:34 am EST

rF4l, concussions don't go away. If a player got multiple concussions, any potential hit can be his last one. Skinner can play symptom free for years and then a small innocent hit can cause the next one. Anotherwords, if a person susceptible to concussions, he will get one sooner, rather then later.. Pass.

andrei


Wed May 15 2019 9:28 am EST

I guess the question is what does Florida need more ?

shonuff


Wed May 15 2019 9:26 am EST

If Panarin is really only willing to go to LA/NY/FLA then his chances of getting 12 million are greatly reduced IMO. There is no way Florida can sign Panarin and Bob unless they move some people. The cap situation for LA is even worse. That leaves us and maybe the Islanders, who have a ton of cap space, however the UFA's they do re-sign are due for a raise, especially Lee and Lehner. Barzal will be an RFA after next year and he's probably going to go full Nylander to get his money.

RDW


Wed May 15 2019 9:24 am EST

andrei: Skinner has been concussion free for over 6 seasons. He's played 473 regular season games in the past 6 years, missing only 19 games. He's played in all 82 games 3 of the past 4 seasons and missed only 3 in that 4th one.

rF4l


Wed May 15 2019 9:13 am EST

I agree completely with not worrying about the cap. The teams who win will always be up against it and every year will have to adjust. Carolina could have been a perfect example of going against that theory but in the end will not be close. The only way I would worry is if they ever again pay close to max on a goalie.

shonuff


Wed May 15 2019 8:53 am EST

But, yes, the concussions issue probably makes that a questionable idea...

Ranger47


Wed May 15 2019 8:52 am EST

I like the suggestion of signing Skinner. At least it will keep our GA # lower since he always kills us! :)

Ranger47


Wed May 15 2019 8:52 am EST

rF4l, pass on Skinner. Another player with major concussion problems. Rangers had too many of those. Lindros, Lafontaine, Nash... We can go on and on. Why not sign a player with 4 years on NHL miles and be done with it? Again, not clear why everyone is worrying about the cap, where for the next 5-6 years, we should not have any issues with it.. In 5 years, $12 mli salary will be like $8 mil today..

andrei


Wed May 15 2019 8:51 am EST

If Panarin gets the rumored 12mil a year that would mean Skinner gets 10mil off a career year to score 24 goals and be -20. NO thanks

shonuff


Wed May 15 2019 8:40 am EST

All this love for Panarin - if the desire is to pursue an UFA scorer, why not look at Jeff Skinner instead. He's almost a year younger and if the rumoured salary demands aren't off-base, he can be had for about $2,000,000/year less. One can argue Panarin generates more offense but Skinner scores more goals. He might be a real nice fit beside Z.

rF4l


Wed May 15 2019 7:56 am EST

RF4L - I think I had the movie wrong. I believe it was Wrong Turn not U-Turn w/ S.Penn, etc. I really have no more interest in the playoffs at this point w/o any potential Ranger currency involved. I will pull for SJ and Thornton I suppose, but don't really care either way. As long as it's not the B's. As for the draft, if the intention is to trade Kreids, then Gorton has to pull the trigger at the draft. I would specifically target Edmonton and Buffalo as others have suggested at 7 and 8. Even if you need to throw in a 3rd rounder to sweeten the deal or a prospect like Pajuniemi, etc. I'd like to see them attempt to do that, similar to what they did w/ Stepan a few years back. I'm just not that impressed by Kreider, mainly b/c of his lack of consistency and overall battle level the majority of the season. Takes way too many nights off to invest that much money in. Plus, if they plan to go all in on Panarin, that sheds some salary if they bring back largely prospects and possibly a smaller cap hit in the form of a defensemen (i.e. Ristolainen). If we could leave the draft with Kakko, and one of (Newhook, Cozens, Dach, Turcotte), and the #20 (Seider would be my choice if we could land another center and he's still there)....our feeder system would be stacked. And that's with Kravtsov, Kakko, and potentially Panarin coming into the mix. I'd prefer a short-term veteran or two over Panarin at a reduced cap hit with another year of draft lottery potential, but the Rangers seem to be all in on the Bread man. Next years is said to be even better than this years, and this 1st round is pretty well stacked.

NCRanger


Wed May 15 2019 7:46 am EST

TD-totally agree on Zegras-I want him--I think he'll probably go between 10-15 at the traft, possibly lower, but doubt highly he'll be around at 20-so maybe Gorton can trade down to get him. I would rather deal Kreider for another first rounder than sign him to an extension-or include him in a deal for a top RHD

puckyou


Wed May 15 2019 6:58 am EST

Definitely if Gorton is inclined to trade Kreider vs resign him it should occur at the draft. Right now FWIW, I'm giving that a 50/50 thing.

rF4l


Wed May 15 2019 6:49 am EST

Rangers should just go all in a make Kreider a draft day trade now. If he pulls his typical 18 game disappearing act anywhere near the trade deadline what will he fetch in return ??? I can still hear all the posts he hit in the finals ringing in my ears forever. He is a enigma who in 20 years wont be remembered accept for off season jumping out of a pool.

shonuff


Wed May 15 2019 6:41 am EST

NCRanger...lol. I just hate that team. BTW, U-Turn was a great movie. And what a cast, too. Sean Penn and Jenny Lopez. Billy-Bob's character was out of this world.

rF4l


Wed May 15 2019 3:19 am EST

td, interesting. So you don't think Cozens and Dach will go in top 5? Saw Boldy moving up. Still think that order will be Hudges/Kakko/Cozens/Dach/Podkolzin. Next 5 are interesting. Byram/Boldy/Zegras/Turkotte/Krebs.. That's my top 10.. That leaves Newhook out of top 10.. Really hope Rangers move up and grab one of the Zegras/Turkotte or Newhook. One of them will be out of top 10. Draft is sure loaded with talent in the 1st round..

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 11:00 pm EST

RDW...not sure how Rask looked on the only goal of the game....I was on the other side of the rink!

tradestar28


Tue May 14 2019 10:45 pm EST

I guess the real questions is what are the Rangers planning with Kreider? If they aren't planning on resigning him then the time to move him would be the draft, right? What side does Ristolainen play? Hopefully Gorton can move one of Shatty/Smith

RDW


Tue May 14 2019 10:25 pm EST

RF4L- lmao!!! Post of the night. It’s like the cast out of the movie U Turn. A bunch of WV hillbilly cannibals!!

NCRanger


Tue May 14 2019 9:54 pm EST

rngrsans: Dit-phuckin'-to brother. Marchand, Krug and now McIvoy all punks acting tough because they have the freak of nature Chara in the lineup who gets to cheapshot all day long without penalties because 'he's so big'. And collectively, the ugliest team in the league. Rask looks like he's had too much plastic surgery. Krug's head is shrunken and Marchand looks like a rat. Chara's elongated face is right out of hte horror movies. Cassidy's face belongs in a was museum. McIvoy looks like a chipmunk. WTF...

rF4l


Tue May 14 2019 9:49 pm EST

Ooops...Rust = Ristolainen

rF4l


Tue May 14 2019 9:49 pm EST

I hate the Bruins

rngrsans


Tue May 14 2019 9:48 pm EST

Well....the 20th, Kreider and Pionk for Rust and the 7th pick.

rF4l


Tue May 14 2019 9:45 pm EST

Said it a while back: ZEGRAS would be a huge score for the Rangers...maybe not as big as TURCOTTE, who I now see is being forecast in the top 5...but still...To get him, we'd need to pry a pick away from the Oilers or Sabres, and the only way I see that happening is if KREIDER/GEORGIEV is going the other way. Both teams are at a point where it's going to do them no good to continue stockpiling young players...they need to start building their rosters...Both ZEGRAS and TURCOTTE are a year...maybe two...away from the show...so if you could offer them a guy who would add a new dimension to McJESUS or EICHEL...AND help their goaltending sitch...that might be enough...but if I'm a GM with a pick in this draft's top 10, I'm holding onto that shit. And would it be worth overpaying for those players? Meh...probably not...but nevertheless...ZEGRAS would look very nice in Ranger blue.

tdchi


Tue May 14 2019 9:43 pm EST

Canes will not be able to say they didn’t get chances. Just not able to capitalize!

rngrsans


Tue May 14 2019 9:31 pm EST

There are rumors going around that the NYR's are very high on Center Trevor Zegras. He's projected to go around #11. If the NYR's can pick up another 1st rounder, maybe they can get close (and maybe he drops a bit).

Rhet0ric


Tue May 14 2019 9:00 pm EST

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie .... As @FriedgeHNIC first suggested/speculated, Ralph Krueger will indeed be named the next head coach in BUF.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 14 2019 8:57 pm EST

trade: how did Rask look on that goal? lol

RDW


Tue May 14 2019 8:26 pm EST

I have best view in building of Rask in first period and he is robotic and unbeatable. His glove is like a laser beam.... Canes look deflated now so the fat lady just pulled up in Raleigh

tradestar28


Tue May 14 2019 8:22 pm EST

Canes suck. Turning it off now.

RF4l


Tue May 14 2019 8:19 pm EST

That Bruin gpal - not a single similar chance by the Canes with all their 1st period shots. Their PP sucks which is indicative of their lack of top end talent. Who's their 1st kinr centre? I don't know. Aho is invisible and he's their best forward (I think). Amazing they knocked off the Caps.

RF4l


Tue May 14 2019 8:17 pm EST

So the team who swept the pens, were swept by the Canes and will now be swept ??? I didn’t come up with this but pretty interesting... So now I will focus on the west to beat the Bruins!!

rngrsans


Tue May 14 2019 8:14 pm EST

Bye bye Canes. Overachieved amyways.

RF4l


Tue May 14 2019 8:03 pm EST

Guess Knicks didn’t bring a good luck charm

Stevielegs


Tue May 14 2019 7:55 pm EST

Only the f-ing NY Knicks.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 14 2019 7:48 pm EST

The Canes lack top end offensive talent and it showing huge this game. Working hard and getting chances but no finish. 4 PPs and Rask seeing everything and not having to save rebounds.

RF4l


Tue May 14 2019 7:45 pm EST

Come on Canes!!!!

rngrsans


Tue May 14 2019 7:43 pm EST

Troy Krug is such a punk.

RF4l


Tue May 14 2019 7:41 pm EST

Dougie Hamilton isn’t very good on pp

rngrsans


Tue May 14 2019 7:06 pm EST

tdchi: you think Kreider, and I'm not saying I'm in favor of this, could be exchanged for the EDM/Buff 1st?

RDW


Tue May 14 2019 7:06 pm EST

td, we will see. Agree. Draft movements are unpredictable. Moving down a few spots, might not be a bad move at all, especially, if their target is slotted to go later on in the round. I love when smart GM's fully utilize their scouting and by moving down a few spots, not only get their target, but acquire move picks in process. Lou used to do this a lot with Devils. That's said, man or man, if Turkotte or Newhook are there in teens and teams are open to trade down, i would be all over that trade. Interesting player i see in McMichael. Ranked to go at around 24-25. Another Center, with a very high potential. One player is very intriguing at around 18. Arthur Kaliyev. "Might be the purest goal scorer in the draft". Kid has lived in US since he was 13 and played for US team ever since. At 6-2, i really like his size. Not sure about getting NHL talent in the next few month. To me, it's way too early. Panerin serves purpose. You get one legit NHL line and it take pressure off kids to perform. It allows Kakko to simplify his game and not to try to do too much...

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 6:34 pm EST

My ling deceased Gramma (wonderful lady) has a better chance at resuurection than Panarin signing with Oil!!

RF4l


Tue May 14 2019 6:12 pm EST

andrei - I generally agree; re: the Rangers getting more first rounders...but when the draft is as big of a crapshoot as this one is...where guys who were top-10 two months ago are now dropping to the late teens and 20s...man, anything could happen. So say the Rangers get to 20 and see guys they like dropping...they could mover that pick for...say a late 20s and a second rounder...and then package the second rounders for another late 20s pick. I think Most folks here AND the Rangers will rather the 20th...but it’s not out of the realm of possibility...Tampa has done that on a couple of occasions...the other thing is that I could see the Oilers or Sabres moving their pick for help now. Or a package of help now....the Canadiens at 15 are another I could see trading their pick...but while we’re on the subject...I frankly believe the Rangers are ready to build. And that means acquiring NHL-ready or NHL pieces...I would not be surprised at all to see them bypass expensive free agents for more affordable players that can have an instant impact.

tdchi


Tue May 14 2019 6:11 pm EST

andrei: FLA is phucked cap-wise... Luongo/Reimer term & dollars.... Defense cap/term on 3 contracts........ Now they're going to add $9mill to sign Bobrovsky? lotsa luck.... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/panthers

mf


Tue May 14 2019 6:01 pm EST

RDW, it is. There is no way both Pionk and DeAngelo are on the roster come September. Foxx trade made sure of it..

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 6:00 pm EST

mf, i can tell you this right now. There is zero chance Panerin will sign with Edmonton. LA/NY/Florida are three well known destinations. Don't think La is in play, but Florida and NYR are 50/50. He has a an apartment in Miami, so that's what is going for Panters, but they only have about $23 mil in cap space and they will be going hard after Bob, who is looking for $9 mil. Just can't see Florida spending last remaining cap $ on both UFA's.. Bob will sign with Panters, and it leaves Panerin to Rangers...

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 5:50 pm EST

If it comes down to moving either Pionk or DeA, I'm moving Pionk JMO

RDW


Tue May 14 2019 5:48 pm EST

Rhet0ric, sign me up!! Yey on Pionk. Not sure yet about DeAngelo.. Might make sense to hold on to him, to see how he will do next season. He maid good progress..

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 5:39 pm EST

EDM: think about the attention PANARIN would take off of McDavid and Draisaitl with the addition of PANARIN who will cost them nothing but Dollars, ..... EDM has an anchor in LUCIC and IIRC SEKERA on the LHS D. SEKERA "may be" over the hill and is eating $5.5mill per with something like 3-4 years remaining... Wallsters please chime in on whether SEKERA is dumpster material... Sekera & Lucic = PANARINS next contract! What would EDM be willing to do to right their ship?? ... Their 1st rounder for this year would/should be on the table.... tbc...

mf


Tue May 14 2019 5:23 pm EST

Legs: 1) I don't want to trade KREIDER, even if the Rangers want to tear this team down another step closer to the beams, Kreider should make the cut as many here don't see much physical drop off in his game... 2) It takes a bit to overcome the emotional attachment or sentiment (separation anxiety) to trade away a homegrown player, but it should be done... Take VESEY as an example: we may not want to part with him, but the reality is he is easily replaced..... So he would get included in a bundled trade.... Big "IF" some team wanted Shattenkirk, and we are willing to eat Salary, we should be able to get another 1st round pick.... I'll get into specific targets at another time, but for now we have a history of dealing with Arizona & we could do EDM a solid by taking on salary which in essence means that we are paying Big Dollars for these draft picks... You can point a finger at Sather for part of this, but, it's only Dolanopoly Dollars anyway

mf


Tue May 14 2019 5:00 pm EST

Per @NHLRumorsDaily, MTL Interested in NYR RFAs Tony DeAngleo and Neal Pionk. #GoHabsGo #NYR.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 14 2019 4:34 pm EST

Irving moofman who do you want to bundle to get another pick? Kreider?

Stevielegs


Tue May 14 2019 2:35 pm EST

mf, i don't see Rangers getting another 1st rounder. They simply don't have picks to offer. No 3rd and just 2 2nd rounders won't be enough. had the Rangers kept their 2nd, it might have being possible. What i can see, however, if willing partner becomes available, is for Rangers to move into top 10. Using 20th and say both 2nd's, it might be enough to move 10 spots. We shall see..

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 2:13 pm EST

Good one Stevie! :)

Ranger47


Tue May 14 2019 2:11 pm EST

Irving moofman is that moritz the gangster of love ?

Stevielegs


Tue May 14 2019 1:26 pm EST

Also: SEIDER is Not one of these 5'9" - 6' puck moving D'men…. This is a big kid who has plenty of filling out to do....

mf


Tue May 14 2019 1:23 pm EST

Andrei: just to be clear, after we pick at #2, I want "2" additional picks in the top 20, of which we already have, the #20... So I expect us to do what we must to get a 3rd pick in the Top 20, and select MORITZ SEIDER with 1 of those 2 top 20's.... As we've discussed here, you can't have too many Centers, we've also seen how 20 LHS Defensive Prospects can be whittled down to 3.... While I am happy that we landed FOX, have DEANGELO & PIONK, SHATTENKIRK, and 1,2,3, others on the Farm, MORITZ SEIDER PROBABLY won't make the NHL at the earliest after next season and most likely after two or 3 seasons when the league expands to 32 teams, SO "Conventional Wisdom" warrants that if you have "Best Talent & Need" within 1,2,3, picks of one another, that's the path to take.... This is Not Seider vs Hughs, or Seider vs Kakko..

mf


Tue May 14 2019 12:54 pm EST

mf, Rangers will draft best available player on their board. That's said, based on the Foxx's trade, i think it is safe to assume, Rangers will be taking a forward. From what i have read, defense is not a strength in this draft, so i can safely assume that most forwards in top 30 will be ranked higher then a few defenceman.

andrei


Tue May 14 2019 12:46 pm EST

E - I noticed that during the tense closing moments of Gm 7 vs Avs the fans switched to (the more instinctual) Lets Go Sharks. Much more thunderous.

LeoS


Tue May 14 2019 11:33 am EST

Draftsite has us choosing SAMUEL POULIN with the 20th overall pick. ... The big RHS Defenseman of the 1st round MORITZ SEIDER is shown to be picked at #19........ In a deep draft like this one we can get a good forward with our 2nd pick, and without getting too crazy, we should be able to trade for another top 15-20 pick to nab the DEFENSEMAN.... (https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/samuel-poulin/29319/) --- https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/

mf


Tue May 14 2019 11:10 am EST

Just go away Kesler, you cheap shot prickjob.

rf4L


Tue May 14 2019 10:15 am EST

“ Veteran Anaheim Ducks center Ryan Kesler underwent right hip resurfacing surgery last week, the team announced on Monday. It is unlikely Kesler will play in the 2019-20 season.”

Stevielegs


Tue May 14 2019 10:01 am EST

And Jack gets to play his first game out of the full cage.

E


Tue May 14 2019 10:01 am EST

Leo: none taken. Honestly, I hate that chant. I think it’s born out of an attempt to drown out other fans, “Let’s go...” it never used to be in the fan bin. It annoys me though.

E


Tue May 14 2019 9:11 am EST

ke Morreale @mikemorrealeNHL .... Happy Birthday, Jack Hughes! 18 years young.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 14 2019 8:34 am EST

I wish someone would tell the moron Sharks fans (no offense, E) that Sharks is a one-syllable word. I hate the Lets Go Sha-arks chant.

LeoS


Tue May 14 2019 8:26 am EST

Not sure how far off the Rangers are in competing for the Cup but watching the Blues/Sharks last night I was not impressed with either team....I know good teams force errors but play this bad in the conference finals?....

PJ


Tue May 14 2019 5:40 am EST

“Not quite John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, but you do know that the Flyers traded Justin Williams when he was 22 years old to Carolina for defenseman Danny Markov, who played a sum of 34 regular-season games with Philly?”

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 8:33 pm EST

Thanks Rhet , that’s good to know.

Pal17


Mon May 13 2019 7:01 pm EST

Td - I agree. Hughes is awesome. I was pretty livid when they flipped the 1st pick card and saw that damn red and black logo. Still say they are the luckiest damn org in all sports. But I calmed down after a few minutes of reflection - and googling KK videos. I can’t speak for all, but my reasons for not getting all lathered up about him: we literally hit the lottery to get the 2nd pick. Seems like too much to hope for that Hughes would drop to us as well. Like all the #1 picks for the past 50 years, I kinda don’t want to think about him too much. Plus, he’s gonna be a devil, so I’m gonna hate him. Why not start now, haha!

Limbo


Mon May 13 2019 6:14 pm EST

Re: HUGHES/KAKKO - I know this tourney has us all drooling over KAKKO...as we should...he’s an outrageously polished prospect...Jack HUGHES is getting an incredibly short shrift...and undeservedly so...it’s true this kid has played largely against younger players...but man, he didn’t look out of sorts in the WJCs...even though he was injured...in this tourney, he’s got a totally different set of circumstances going than KAKKO. Whereas KAKKO is on Finland’s First line and first PP unit, HUGHES is playing on a team of ALL NHLers, save for FOX, who played three years in the NCAA. In as much, he’s getting out on fourth line and skating like 8-10 minutes a game. I can’t remember who was on his line, but it’s safe to say they’re not of the top caliber player variety he’s used to skating with...not to detract from what KAKKO is doing, because he has been phenomenal. And it’s not wrong to say he’s the more polished of the two...but what you get drafting Jack HUGHES is one hell of a player...he will score his first NHL point and goal less than five months removed from his 18th birthday...and he will make whatever team drafts him very happy very quickly...I said this before...but if the Devils DO take KAKKO, Ranger fans should be doing the happy dance, because he’s one hell of a prospect...I know I used the MALKIN/OVECHKIN analogy the other day...but perhaps an even better one is McDAVID/EICHEL...both played in the WJCs in January 2014...but where McDAVID looked overwhelmed and outmuscled, EICHEL looked smooth and polished...like a kid ready for the NHL, but still more than a year out from the draft. At that point, I think a STRONG case could have been made for EICHEL tonhave gone first overall...and TBH, when they both showed to the tourney the following year, I was expecting more of the same...but instead, it was the opposite: McDAVID was electric, lead his team to gold and was a top scorer. EICHEL didn’t even make the medal round and had a thoroughly underwhelming tourney...today, I don’t think there’s any question about who is the better player...but there were some questions about who would go first overall...granted they weren’t serious questions...but I don’t think the ones about HUGHES are serious either. He may not be the most NHL-ready of the two...but hands down, he’s got the higher potential. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what the hell they're talking about or in the case of a trolling asshole like Brooksie, is simply screwing with people.

tdchi


Mon May 13 2019 4:56 pm EST

So Kakko shines in the Tourney and the Debies go away from Hughes....Great.....I want Kakko!!!

Melvillefred


Mon May 13 2019 4:10 pm EST

Rf73 avery knows firsthand

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 4:09 pm EST

Irving moofman otbg is a ventriloquist with his hand up the gms rear when not kissing it .... find the answer lifeline, thems the rules

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 4:04 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger 5h5 hours ago What a shift by Kakko. ????https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1127975096994320384

stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 4:03 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger 6h6 hours ago Kaapo Kakko against Jack Hughes here...............https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1127957284284272640

stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 3:53 pm EST

TD TY, MCLegs, rewriting the rulebook ay? Someone duct tape OTBG somewhere far away from Vancouver come draft time.

mf


Mon May 13 2019 3:47 pm EST

Is Avery coming out of retirement?

RF73


Mon May 13 2019 3:25 pm EST

Rhet as long as they don’t say the Nyr get sloppy seconds.

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 3:20 pm EST

Funny.... per Stat Boy @StatBoy_Steven .... Gorton can sleep in, have a late breakfast, have some beers, show up late at the draft right after the Devils have picked and walk straight up to the stage: "The New York Rangers select whoever the Devils didn't" and walk over to the table fist-bumping Gordie Clark #NYR

Rhet0ric


Mon May 13 2019 3:06 pm EST

Jeff Veillette @JeffVeillette .... Nylander is now leading the World Championships in points. Not unrealistic that he comes out with his second tournament MVP award if Sweden goes the distance again.... Hard to see this as anything but good news if you're a Leafs fan. End the year on a high note, regain confidence.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 13 2019 3:02 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted John Branch ‏Verified account @JohnBranchNYT 3h3 hours ago Derek Boogaard died on this day in 2011. His mother placed this in the local paper today.............https://twitter.com/JohnBranchNYT/status/1127977511613108224

stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 2:50 pm EST

Since no answer no loss of lifeline .

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 2:43 pm EST

mf - re: HARTFORD, ain’t nothing ‘dying on the vine’ down there, but the utter shitshow that was/is the Pack certainly didn’t do a guy like Sean DAY any favors. FWIW, he looked better and better as the season went on, and was one of the more consistent blueliners by the end of the season. But that said, the odds aren’t really good for him. He’s pretty far down the depth chart now matter what way you slice it...taking for granted that either STAAL and/or SMITH get moved or bought out...and CLAESSON isn’t qualified...and GILMOUR is let go...that leaves us SKJEI, HAJEK and LINDGREN on the left side. And there’s also a good chance RYKOV comes over...so under the circumstances most favorable to DAY(i.e. all of the above and RYKOV resigns in the K) he’s fourth on the depth chart. I could also almost guarantee that the team keeps STAAL...so at 21 and with his first pro season under his belt, next year will definitely be a defining moment for him. He’s got a steep hill to climb back into the fold, but he’s young enough that it’s still possible...LETTIERI is in a similar boat, but is three years older. I don’t doubt that he’ll be qualified...but unless there is a big trade that moves out two or three regular forwards, I think next season for him is about playing for a contract with another team. I think he’s shown enough at the NHL level that someone could give him a shot and he MIGHT be worth a later-round pick...but his future in New York is limited...I mean really, so is everyone who played in Hartford last year...the Rangers have imported so much top-end talent that there simply aren’t spots for guys who could have challenged for third and fourth line roles...and specifically, because the Rangers don’t have cap issues...like three or four years ago, guys like NIEVES and FOGARTY...both guys would be invaluable...guys who can play a lower line role and not tie up cap...but on this team, when guys like ANDERSSON and CHYTIL could very well end up on third and fourth line...well...doesn’t leave a lot of room for the others...throw GROPP, FONTAINE, MESKANEN, and GETTINGER in this boat as well. RONNING, too...I will say that I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Gorton puts together a package to upgrade a spot...and that could open up a window for bubble guys like DAY...but right now, from where I’m looking...I think most of the guys we saw in Hartford last season will start there and stay there for most, if not all of the season.

tdchi


Mon May 13 2019 2:08 pm EST

kapo kakko is a player i would have consudered ahead of jack hughes he looks nhl ready wheras hughes does not , however he has major medical red flags ( type 1 diabetes abnd celiac disease ). bobby clark and max domi also played with type 1 and its a disease that can be managed as is celiac disease but it could impact his longevity . ironicly last years top pick rasmus dahlin has a strong family history of severe degenerative arthritis of early onset . his brother was effected in his 20’s so that too bears watching

docjay


Mon May 13 2019 1:15 pm EST

IMO Skjei's issue is his confidence. Hopefully as the team gets better, especially overall defensively, he'll get better.

rF4l


Mon May 13 2019 12:43 pm EST

Disagree on Skjei...Glad he did well in this game but as a Ranger he has regressed...Doesn't play with near the intensity he did when he first came up...

PJ


Mon May 13 2019 12:13 pm EST

I think with Skjei you are also seeing to a degree what he is when he has talent around him. He is a good hockey player that is getting better but one man on an island cannot build a cruise ship with banana leaves and coconuts. He needs guys that can genuinely play around him. And you look at that defense? That’s not an NHL defense in NY.

E


Mon May 13 2019 12:11 pm EST

If Lou was still there, whoever they picked as #1 we would probably get screwed....

Ranger47


Mon May 13 2019 12:08 pm EST

Bob: in my world view, if I’m a GM in NJ I’m still going Hughes regardless of this tournament. We all forget that this is really the first big experience for Hughes in an arena of NHL caliber players. I mean Hughes is still required to wear a full cage. I look at Kakko and I see a tremendous hockey player. A real star. Maybe more. In Hughes? I see a surefire superstar on the level of an Austin Matthews. I suppose it’s really down to what the NJD want. Do they want to accelerate their franchise as soon as this season by bringing in such a winger. Or do they want to give it a season for Hughes to get settled in and bring what is likely a higher level of play? I just cannot see how you can enter a draft with the intention of not drafting the best player available when you have the top pick. Hughes is ultimately probably a better player. And I don’t think there are many scouts out there that rank Kakko higher. And if the NJD snag Kakko? All I can say is: thanks!!!

E


Mon May 13 2019 12:04 pm EST

Legs: you know that your using 1 of your life-lines by asking the audience don't you?

mf


Mon May 13 2019 12:00 pm EST

When was the last time shea was named one of the 3 stars of a Nyr game?

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 11:37 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 3m3 minutes ago More Brady Skjei is the Player of the Game for Team USA in the 3-2 OT win over Finland.

RDW


Mon May 13 2019 11:35 am EST

US wins it in OT...Kakko had a great shift in OT...almost glad he didn't score the winner.

RF73


Mon May 13 2019 11:26 am EST

US vs. Finland going to OT

RF73


Mon May 13 2019 10:15 am EST

Jeesus H Christ.....watching Kakko with the puck and thinking of NY Rangers players of the past 20 years....is comparable to Ranger fans all being gifted a Lambo when we are all used to driving a Honda

tradestar28


Mon May 13 2019 9:36 am EST

Skjei scores in the first minute of play to give Team USA a 1-0 lead, DeBrincat and Eichel assist #IIHFWorlds #NYR #Sabres #Blackahwks

Rhet0ric


Mon May 13 2019 9:35 am EST

By Aaron Portzline May 10, 2019 COLUMBUS, Ohio — The biggest concern within the walls of Nationwide Arena these days has nothing to do with goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky, forwards Artemi Panarin and Matt Duchene, or the rest of the soon-to-be unrestricted free agents who might leave the Blue Jackets this summer. First things first: What’s going on with president of hockey operations John Davidson, and what will the Blue Jackets do if Davidson leaves Columbus to take the same job with the New York Rangers? According to numerous reports in the New York Post, Davidson — a legend in New York as a former Rangers player and broadcaster — is said to be the Rangers’ one and only candidate to replace Glen Sather, after Sather announced his retirement last month. As much as Davidson loves Columbus, it might be hard for him to say no to the Rangers. There’s an emotional pull to the franchise for him, and the heaps of cash they could offer wouldn’t hurt. (No, these salaries...

stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 9:08 am EST

As I wrote before, I will be happy with either Hughes or Kakko. I suspect that long term, Hughes is the better all around player. But if Kakko becomes like a Pasternak or Panarin, he fits the Rangers needs very well. I suspect that NJ knows this and that, and the relationship between the NJ GM and the Hughes family guarantees Hughes will be a Devil. Kakko fits the kind of team the Rangers want to build.

Bob


Mon May 13 2019 8:59 am EST

Hard to decide which one will be better for the Nyr. I’m leaning towards Kakko because of his size. Hughes probably has more talent, and adds more because he’s a center, but I think Kakko will be a better fit if they get him. I hate that the Debbies make that decision for themselves and the Nyr. I wish Kakko wasn’t doing that well right now since I assumed he was going to be the #2 . But the scouts should be looking at the bigger picture and sample size a lot more than just these games.

Stevielegs


Mon May 13 2019 8:40 am EST

RF4L....we need one of them Kakko advent calendars

tradestar28


Mon May 13 2019 7:32 am EST

Less that 5 weeks now to the draft weekend...

rF4l


Mon May 13 2019 7:09 am EST

PAL ....KAKKO does speak English. He may not give an interview in English, but according to a teammate, he does speak it pretty well.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 13 2019 7:03 am EST

GLEN SATHER in a nutshell..... Kaapo Kakko is lighting it up at the World Championship and a fellow Finn and former New York Ranger Esa Tikkanen spoke with Glen Sather about the kid just last month.... According to Finnish outlet MTV, Sather asked Tikkanen about the kid and he gave him the green light. The translation is rough but it goes along these lines.... “I was in New York a month ago with Sather himself, and he asked about Kaapo. Then he asked, “is it okay to take him”. And I said, of course,” Tikkanen reveals MTV Sports.... Tikkanen also said that according to what he’s heard, Jack Hughes will go number 1 and the Rangers will take Kakko. He said that he is 99% confident that he will be a Blueshirt.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 13 2019 7:01 am EST

PJ: This tournament is certainly turning heads for KAKKO but there are a few things to consider that the scouts and GMs will want to weigh/balance. First, KAKKO is the more physically mature player. He has been playing in a mens league and with that team as a unit for a while. So no surprise that he looks great right from the drop of the puck. HUGHES has been playing with kids and this team USA squad was just put together. I think the GMs realize that KAKKO will probably be more ready to play in the NHL in October. But as for who becomes the better player long term???? If it isn't a toss-up then I think the expectation is that HUGHES will be the more productive, bigger star when all is said and done. Hard to say because their games are very different. Either way the Rangers will be getting a potential superstar.

Vic


Sun May 12 2019 10:37 pm EST

I only mentioned MESKANEN because I don’t think KAKKO speaks English.

Pal17


Sun May 12 2019 7:48 pm EST

Just not sure we are getting KK...Him or Hughes is fine with me but I am starting to think it is moving closer to 50-50....All the pressure on the Devils...We just wait and pick.....

PJ


Sun May 12 2019 7:48 pm EST

Gorton's swap of Brassard for Z AND getting a 2nd rounder is pretty close to Sather's best decision as a Ranger architect (other than stepping back so someone competent could take over of course) which was to trade Gomez for McD's rights.

rF4l


Sun May 12 2019 7:22 pm EST

I'm thinking the AV's are now in position to compete deep into the Playoffs for the next 5+ years, going after PANARIN makes sense for them. jmo n

mf


Sun May 12 2019 6:56 pm EST

I think the Av’s went shiny object hunting with Brassard. Much in the way that WPG did with Hayes. I think that the Av’s were concerned with Jost and they brought in Brass to move into the 2nd/3rd line as depth. He wasn’t really needed and he was on the 4th line playing with some chopped liver. Bad fit I guess. But good insurance policy. Personally, I always thought Brass was overrated in terms of postseason heroics. He could step up but he never really duplicated his performances with the New York Rangers somewhere else. Cutting bait for Zib was probably one of the smartest moves made in the last 15 years by New York Rangers management. He just keeps getting better. He can handle big minutes in big games and be productive. Brassard is basically a journeyman now. .

E


Sun May 12 2019 6:47 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 2h2 hours ago 5 years ago on #MothersDay #NYR @mstlouis_26 scored a goal he would normally call a "lucky bounce, but with that goal, it was something higher than luck."

stevielegs


Sun May 12 2019 6:46 pm EST

I haven't been watching the playoffs since it hasn't mattered for the NYR's , but it really seems like the NHL is pushing for the BRUINS to win. The number of calls they get is insane.... on this play, WILLIAMS get's penalized and MARCHAND does not... https://twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/1127677038121373696?s=20

Rhet0ric


Sun May 12 2019 5:07 pm EST

COL: One reason they lost to SJ was Derrick Brassard was INVISIBLE... In the playoffs, DB played 9 games.. 0 goals and 1 assist... a total non-factor... very disappointing given how much I am a fan... the past 2 years, he has been a shell of his former self... WTF happened???!!

schneidw


Sun May 12 2019 2:49 pm EST

BOB: I’ve been to a lot of arenas in east including, Philly, DC, TO, Ottawa, and MTL. San Jose is just brutal on other teams. Even the players say it. In THN polling that they did, most players found SJ the hardest building to play in. Only place I’ve been to in hockey that my ears rang. Only other times was at a Man City v. United, a Seattle-NYG game and a playoff game between the New York Rangers and NYI in the 80’s. That kind of crowd noise is rough to play in. I’ve been at a SJ game where the goal horn was being drowned out. Another arena that got real loud when I saw a playoff game a few years back was TB. That was a surprisingly loud barn.

E


Sun May 12 2019 2:34 pm EST

E—I agree with you. I went to San Diego Friday night for an AHL playoff game between the Ducks and Oilers affiliates. The crowd down there, 12,000 in that old, decrepit San Diego Sports Arena was much more engaged and attentive to the game than the crowd in Anaheim. The crowd in San Jose is light years ahead of Anaheim. In fact, in all of my travels to rinks in the Western USA, Vegas and San Jose stand out as having the best crowds and atmosphere. I was at the game when the Sharks were eliminated by Edmonton a few years ago at the tank, and the only reason the sharks lost that series was Martin Jones. I have never witnessed him play better than he is playing now. If he keeps it up, they can win the cup. If they end up in the finals against Boston, I will be all in for the Sharks. I admire their organization and think Doug Wilson is an excellent GM.

Bob


Sun May 12 2019 2:12 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info @NYRStatsInfo.... Alexandar Georgiev earned his first career IIHF World Championship win/shutout while making his IIHF World Championship debut today as Russia defeated Austria. #NYR.... Georgiev was also named Russia's Best Player of the Game in today's contest.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 12 2019 12:51 pm EST

MF: Hartford is not exactly a model franchise right now. I mean it’s not like they’ve had a great ability to cultivate talent. But talent that can play in the NHL is being brought up. But when I see a guy like Day I see a guy who COULD BE an NHL player but right now? No way. It doesn’t take much to realize he doesn’t have an NHL level game. But, rather then look at the likes of Day for an example. I ask, “the best they’ve got is Day?” That’s how bad it is. Let’s hope that is about to change as some of this depth that Gorton has acquired over the last few seasons begins to age out of Jr, Euro leagues, NCAA etc... and arrives at Hartford, we’ll begin to see a pipeline of development. And a competitive Hartford team that resembles something more like the Marlies and not like the well... ‘Pack. At least I hope that’s what is coming. Not worrying that guys like Day are maxing their limited skill sets. But guys like Morgan Barron anxiously waiting to be tapped because they’re ready.

E


Sun May 12 2019 12:19 pm EST

HARTFORD: Those of you in the know, I'm rather concerned that we have some good talent down there which will die on the vine or never reach full potential due to the lack of training, or type of training...... Every detail matters and has an effect on the outcome...... Day, Lettieri, are the 1st two that come to mind... How about RYAN GRAVES? ......... SEAN DAY: I heard reference (can't substantiate it though) that his hockey IQ is questionable.... Are you telling me that watching tape with Veteran Mentors can't help improve that? IMO, some of that can be taught to where it becomes instinctual. What can't be taught is 6'3" 225-235 lbs which is a very, above average skater..... I don't want to write this kid off, get him up with the big boys and let him make mistakes.... 1 or two of you folks stated that some of the kids did better up with the Rangers than in Hartford,because the Big Club was managed properly and The Wolfpack is a Train-wreck....... Let's look at LETTIERI: when he came up we saw a graceful skater, a kid that is/was not afraid of going into the corners, AND, he's got a snipers mentality, aka - shoot first when there's a shot and don't overpass... He was one of the few Rangers who had his stick cocked for a one-time slapper ala ST. LOUIS.... Big missing on the Rangers, after ZIBANIJAD we have no One-timer Shooters, think STAMKOS, OV, here.... That's one of the components of LETTIERI's game that was so refreshing to see..... Get both these kids some solid coaching and they are probably Home-Grown NHL players... jmon

mf


Sun May 12 2019 12:10 pm EST

CLB- I wonder how much playing for TORTS weighs in as a decision factor with the CLB UFAs.... I recall after TORTS got fired by NYRs, several players were relieved....

schneidw


Sun May 12 2019 12:06 pm EST

HANK upping his trade value... Georgiev and Lundqvist posting shutouts, Kreider with a goal and Fox with an assist. Good day for NYR at Worlds

Rhet0ric


Sun May 12 2019 11:35 am EST

But SJ is the Philly of the West. Only in the sense that no matter how great the team is, it seems like goaltending is a question mark. Let’s put it this way. SJ would’ve been a multiple time Stanley Cup winner if they had a goalie like Lundqvist.

E


Sun May 12 2019 11:31 am EST

BOB: I see a lot of SJ vs Anaheim games and while there is a good showing of Sharks fans but I’ve seen the same when the New York Rangers, Bruins, LA Kings, and MTL when they’ve been in town. You would likely know a lot better but it seems like the area is such a transient community, myself included. And I travel up north to SJ 4-5x a month and the flight is filled with nothing but business travelers. I talked to a computer engineer once who lived in Irvine and commutes to SJ every other day. He had family in Irvine and couldn’t afford to buy a decent home in San Jose. I mean, I see a decent amount of Ducks and Kings fans in SJ as well. I happen to think of the three California teams the Ducks have the weakest fan base. But as well NorCal is also a transient city. Everyone there is from back east it seems. Boston, Tri-State, Philly, DC etc... the Sharks fans often are like me. Sharks fans everyday but stay close to our back east teams. My SJ Jersey gets shelved when the New York Rangers are in town. And obviously I follow the New York Rangers as closely if not moreso. And I don’t think that’s unique. You’d be amazed how suddenly Sharks fans become Bruins fans when they are in town. But I think SJ is definitely a unique cult in hockey. They don’t play in some innocuous building like the Honda Center.

E


Sun May 12 2019 11:03 am EST

Re: MESKANEN - decent two-way player, but unless he takes a HUGE step over the summer I can’t see the circumstance that would land him on the starting roster. I mean, he was one of the brighter spots on a hilariously dismal Pack team and were this 2018-2019, I’d say there was a chance. But as it is now, the Rangers have a full contingent up front. HUGHES/KAKKO will join KRAVTSOV up front, where there’s already Z, BUCH, KREIDER, STROME, NAMESTNIKOV, VESEY, FAST, NIEVES, HOWDEN, CHYTIL and ANDERSSON. That’s 13 forwards and before considering guys like LETTIERI and FOGARTY May challenge for a spot...and then if you factor in that thebRangers are likely to take a stab at PANARIN or SKINNER...or maybe even a reprise of HAYES or ZUCC...well the odds are that MESKANEN starts the year in Hartford. Good player though. I like his style.

tdchi


Sun May 12 2019 11:00 am EST

I am pulling for St. Louis for one sick reason............when the Sharks come to Anaheim the Honda Center is invaded by Sharks fans. I am not a huge Ducks fan, but I love the sport so have season seats. San Jose are the only cupless CA based team. It is an effective way to shut up the obnoxious Sharks fans. With that said, I truly admire the job Doug Wilson has done with that franchise.

Bob


Sun May 12 2019 10:48 am EST

Bob, I thought that both you & E would be rooting for San Jose... Anyone but Boston!

mf


Sun May 12 2019 10:19 am EST

I am pulling for St. Louis to win the cup. The Blues or anyone BUT Boston for me. With that said, San Jose are the best team remaining in the tournament now.

Bob


Sun May 12 2019 10:17 am EST

mf: Hertl is just as big and skilled I think but I don't believe he plays with Meier's abrasiveness. Doug Wilson has done an excellent job there keeping that team competitive for a long time with solid drafting and trading. Of the 4 teams left, I want them to win.

rF4l


Sun May 12 2019 10:15 am EST

TIMO MEIER" 6' - 215LBS, the kids a tank... for our West Coast Wallsters, I hope San Jose wins it all... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/11190

mf


Sun May 12 2019 10:14 am EST

Happy Mothers Day to all

mf


Sun May 12 2019 10:11 am EST

Pal: Almost everyone sucked on the Pack last year so who knows.

rF4l


Sun May 12 2019 9:51 am EST

Anyone familiar with the PACK know if MESKANEN is good enough to make the team so KAKKO has another FINN around?

Pal17


Sun May 12 2019 9:17 am EST

Limbo - agreed. Said it yesterday when we were discussing Hughes vs KK. I don't care which kid we get; I'm still shocked we moved up for that opportunity.

rF4l


Sun May 12 2019 9:09 am EST

Oh yeah, to the mom wallsters - Happy Mother’s Day.

Limbo


Sun May 12 2019 9:08 am EST

I know it’s only one tournament, but KK looks absolutely sick. I have the same feeling that I did post 94 cup for a few months. Did that REALLY happen? Still feels like a dream that we won the lottery and are going to get this kid. Pinch me.

Limbo


Sun May 12 2019 9:06 am EST

Timo Meier is a terrific player. Really came into his own this year. Strong on the puck, highly skilled and plays with an edge. I actually thought Jonas Donskoi was going to be the player that Meier has become a few years ago. The Sharks are loaded up front. St. Louis was not in that game yesterday and will need to step it up big time if they are to get anything out of this series.

Bob


Sun May 12 2019 8:43 am EST

E/Bob: Do you guys watch SJ games very often? Curious about Timo Meier - what a game he had last night and what 4th SJ goal was a beauty. This kid's a beast. Drafted 9th overall 4 years ago and in 3rd professional season, breaking out, big time. 30 goals this year and from what I'm reading, better in this year's POs. He's going under the radar because of all the names on that team...

rF4l


Sun May 12 2019 8:00 am EST

My question is what are the Nyr waiting for to hire sather’s replacement? They are already having their meetings . Probably govenor sather doesn’t want to be upstaged yet . Or jimmyboy is too busy playing with his band , and fighting off shareholders about his pay and his time dedicated to that job.

Stevielegs


Sun May 12 2019 7:54 am EST

Wonder if JD will take any reasonable offer to become the next President or if he will hold out for big fishnagels?

Ranger47


Sun May 12 2019 6:27 am EST

Now who is #1? ...https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/ridiculous-kaapo-kakko-goal-has-rangers-and-devils-fawning/

Stevielegs


Sun May 12 2019 6:25 am EST

Kakko or Hughes, and panarin could make the nyr a contender even with the defense that they have.

Stevielegs


Sun May 12 2019 5:57 am EST

Rhet, 5 goals in 2 games agains MEN not boys will turn some heads. Let’s see the rest of the tourney, but when you saw Kakko hold off an nhl defenseman nonchalantly like he was swatting a fly for his 3rd goal, a la Jagr, he is getting noticed. Let’s see how the 2 finish the tourney, but Kakko looks like a guy who can step in on game 1 next year,

Puckyou


Sun May 12 2019 5:52 am EST

Starting to think instead of Kakko & Panarin, we may wind up with HUGHES

Puckyou


Sun May 12 2019 12:15 am EST

RF4L: I'm hoping the Rangers have a numbner below the 10 million mark. If Panarin doesn't like it, go to Panthers. I'd like to sign him, not for anything over that

RDW


Sat May 11 2019 9:46 pm EST

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie .... OTT has asked for (and received) permission from DAL to interview Stars’ assistant coach Rick Bowness. Bowness will be the sixth candidate interviewed by Ottawa. Others include Marc Crawford, Troy Mann, Jacques Martin, D.J. Smith and Nate Leaman.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 6:40 pm EST

"On the Blue Jackets’ side, The Athletic’s Aaron Portzline writes about what Columbus will do if Davidson departs, although it seems more like a “when” than an “if” at this point. Portzline feels that the Blue Jackets will make every attempt to keep Davidson, but that the “emotional pull” toward New York may be too much and the team would not stand in the way of a move. The options in the wake of a Davidson departure would be to make an outside hire, promote from within, or spread Davidson’s responsibilities to other. Blue Jackets Assistant GM Bill Zito is a popular name on the executive market and this could be a prime opportunity for Columbus to ensure he does not leave by promoting GM Jarmo Kekalainen to the President role and making Zito the GM. Portzline also mentions former players and current team executives Basil McRae and Blake Geoffrion as internal names who could move up. One way or another, Columbus will have to make some changes to the front office this season and soon, as they have a crucial off-season ahead of them" .... https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2019/05/latest-on-john-davidson-and-the-new-york-rangers.html

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 5:51 pm EST

If Panarin gets over $10,000,000 per for 7 years I sure the story proves to be true.

RF4l


Sat May 11 2019 5:32 pm EST

PER DansLesCoulisses @DLCoulisses.... Translated from French.... The rumors linking Artemi Panarin to the Panthers refuse to die and we will continue to talk about it until the Russian striker signs his next contract with an NHL team. For now, Panarin is enjoying a vacation at his condo ... in South Beach, Florida.... His teammate in Columbus, Vladislav Gavrikov, then offered a reason for the team's fans to worry.... Under his latest Instagram photo, Gavrikov wished his teammate good luck in Miami..... On Panarin’s latest Instagram post, Gavrikov comments and wishes him “good luck in Miami” #CBJ.... Many people think it's just a message about his Florida vacation, but many said it's not the kind of message you send to a friend on vacation.... Whether it's a coincidence or not, the link gets stronger and stronger, and it's impossible to deny that the attacker loves this place. If he has the opportunity to make a lot of money playing Sunrise under Joel Quenneville, there is a good chance he will.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 5:05 pm EST

Even though I think Hughes ultimately is the better player, I think Kakko fits more of what the New York Rangers are looking to do this in terms of team philosophy. But Hughes is so dynamic he’ll just make everyone around him dearly as well. I could watch Hughes play all day long. He just does things with the puck that jaw drop.

E


Sat May 11 2019 4:40 pm EST

So do I but you never know...I really don't care - I'll be happy with either kid. Still shocked sometimes that the Rangers moved up to that luxury.

rF4l


Sat May 11 2019 4:31 pm EST

RHET: I still think all roads lead to Kakko at 2

E


Sat May 11 2019 4:25 pm EST

Rhet: It wouldn't be the tourney alone. I posted this about this yesterday - we don't know how they've rated these 2 kids and if there is any division amongst their scouts on who to take. If there is and KK continues to shine like this it could sway them.

rF4l


Sat May 11 2019 4:22 pm EST

Does anyone really think that one tournament is going to sway the NJD's one way or the other? Piss poor way to make a decision.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 4:19 pm EST

Is anybody looking at the Devil fan boards to see what their take is on drafting Hughes or Kakko?

Ranger47


Sat May 11 2019 4:07 pm EST

E: You know the Devils are noticing and if he continues to shine like this throughout the tourney (not saying 2.5 goals a game of course), he's going to make their decision a little tougher.

rF4l


Sat May 11 2019 3:59 pm EST

Kakko trying to make a case for 1 overall.

E


Sat May 11 2019 3:52 pm EST

Here's the 3rd goal... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1127313782793961474?s=20

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 3:47 pm EST

Ooops, wrong one.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 3:44 pm EST

KAKKO's 3rd today.... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1127284046621564928?s=20

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 3:41 pm EST

Hat trick for Kappo Kakko!

RF73


Sat May 11 2019 3:31 pm EST

Kaapo Kakko scores his 2nd goal tonight.... https://twitter.com/antonj85/status/1127309338266210305?s=20

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 3:31 pm EST

Ultimately, the reality is that at some point in the next 20 years, the speed and skill in the NHL will very possibly cause the league to consider the bigger ice surface. I know for me? I have skated on the big ice before. It looks like a mile when you pass cross ice. Real hard for guys over 40 who are used to snapping a puck with more authority. It’s so easy to turn the puck over. But you get some of these NHL guys a bit to get used to it? You’re gonna see some killer hockey.

E


Sat May 11 2019 3:27 pm EST

Kappo Kakko goal #4..he better knock it off or the Devils will take him.

RF73


Sat May 11 2019 2:33 pm EST

Kakko goal #3.... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1127284046621564928?s=20

Rhet0ric


Sat May 11 2019 1:47 pm EST

E: I'm with you on the bigger surface. I like it as it really does make it impossible to trap through NZ. But I also like it for the passing lanes that it opens up through the middle of the ice in the offensive zone. Teams with skill and quickness can really exploit a defense with the time and space that the wider surface gives them.

Vic


Sat May 11 2019 1:45 pm EST

Nice shot by KAKKO! And he comes back on the ensuing faceoff and looks strong on that shift.

Vic


Sat May 11 2019 1:44 pm EST

Kappo Kaako goal #3

RF73


Sat May 11 2019 1:31 pm EST

E....I hear you on the PP for sure and beating the trap but I find there is way too much room in the def zone 5 on 5, people go in the corners and get lost (lol). To each his own ofcourse but I like the NHL brand played on NHL rinks...…….I guess I'm spoiled.I mean let's face it ,they took out fighting, and hitting for the most part so if we were to move to the big surface there would be less contact than Tennis !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat May 11 2019 1:19 pm EST

Newfie: I actually like the big ice. There is more of a showcase of skill. Yeah, there is more zone play as opposed to taking time and space but I love the PP on the big ice. It’s like the old days when players used to use passing to corral the defenders in around the net. I think it results with a lot more jostling for position and fighting for pucks. And the trap is so easily broken with speed and stretch passes.

E


Sat May 11 2019 1:11 pm EST

The first game seemed a little unfair. The Finns were clearly used to playing with each other on big ice. And we have to remember that despite historically not having the sexy names they have always been formidable as a team in international competition. But Kakko? That guy is a player. I still think there is no way in their right minds the NJD pass on Hughes. If they did? They’re stupid and thanks. But I think the New York Rangers fans will love Kakko.

E


Sat May 11 2019 10:05 am EST

This is probably the most play-off hockey I have ever watched (especially with us out) but I found it very taxing to watch a couple of World games yesterday even with Canada playing and a bunch of our guys on the USA. Not a big fan of the larger ice surface at all.Not a good brand of hockey. The cycle serves no purpose at all, you are too far from the net. You might as well just try and beat your defender one on one and get it over with.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat May 11 2019 9:28 am EST

No one on Team USA looked that good. Skjei didn't look any worse than the rest of them. Fox made some good outlet passes and didn't make any obvious blunders. The penalty on Skjei was a really soft call and the Slovaks dove on that one and the subsequent trip that put them up 5 on 3. It's a Euro thing I guess. That said there is no way they should lose to that team. They need to get their act together.

HellsKitchen


Sat May 11 2019 8:57 am EST

BTW: I said it when the playoffs first started and I'll say it again. If there is any way that GORTON can pry TEXIER out of Columbus for a reasonable return I am all for it. I would love to get HINTZ from Dallas too but there is NO WAY IN HELL that Dallas will trade HINTZ unless the deal is so stupid they just can't say no.

Vic


Sat May 11 2019 8:54 am EST

TD and NCRanger: Thanks. I'm going to record the game against France early tomorrow and watch it sometime tomorrow. It starts at 5:15AM my time (6:15AM Eastern Time) on the NHL Network. Finland plays today at 2PM Eastern time on the NHL network so I'm going to try to watch that one as well.

Vic


Sat May 11 2019 8:05 am EST

Vic - I didn’t see either game unfortunately, but there were a lot of posters on HF NYR forum saying that Fox looked better than Skjei and that he looked really good.

NCRanger


Sat May 11 2019 7:55 am EST

Vic - The whole team looked like a sloppy, discombobulated, pile of steaming dog shit...if that's possible. I've heard a couple of people point the finger at BLASHILL...But I can say this: a team like that should NOT lose to goddamn Slovakia.

tdchi


Sat May 11 2019 7:35 am EST

I didn't get to watch the Team USA game. I know HUGHES didn't score but how did he look? Also, how did FOX look?

Vic


Sat May 11 2019 7:15 am EST

Mfred I assume that curse is in nosen’s lifetime . If jd becomes the president, does nosen become his shadow and court jester ? I hope dickaletti gets canned or transferred back to the fishstinks. He deserves to go work with milbury on nbc . Let them choke each other. I prefer ex nyr players as announcers .

Stevielegs


Sat May 11 2019 6:33 am EST

Well KK is used to playing against men - Hughes isn't.

rF4l


Sat May 11 2019 5:29 am EST

Then there’s no use for Hughes, lose for Hughes becomes lose with Hughes ? Used

Stevielegs


Fri May 10 2019 6:49 pm EST

Hughes with no points in the loss

Puckyou


Fri May 10 2019 4:49 pm EST

I’m sending prayers skyward for Kakao.....one time god......Nick, right there with you about the Hawks and 3 Cups in 6 years!!! Take that anytime. I guess Rosen was prophetic when he yelled out “.....and this one will last a lifetime.....” I guess it will have to.

Melvillefred


Fri May 10 2019 4:21 pm EST

Kakko may benefit in the tourney from the Finns playing together more. They all know their roles. They hit the ice ready to go and the US has to figure out where everyone will play to have the biggest impact. However, he was certainly not overmatched against a team of NHL payers.

HellsKitchen


Fri May 10 2019 3:35 pm EST

Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph ..... US loses to Slovakia, 4-1. Jack Hughes did not score, or get a point. (Kaapo Kakko, remember, got 2 goals in Finland's 3-1 win over Canada.) Hmmm

Rhet0ric


Fri May 10 2019 3:32 pm EST

Wow, fab reporting - Bobo selling his home in Columbus and no one understands why?! LOL...geeesh.

rF4l


Fri May 10 2019 3:28 pm EST

Here's why I think we get Kakko….2 reasons.....#1 NJ doesn't want us to have Hughes and part and parcel to that, NJ don't want to be league wide famous for passing on Hughes. Voila....Kakko is ours ????? let's face it ,we can't lose either way. Insert smiley face !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri May 10 2019 3:25 pm EST

Shawn Simpson @TSNSimmer .... Wonder if Bob and Breadman are truly a combo pack? Hearing Panarin wants LA, NY, or Miami for personal reasons. Bob only fits in Florida.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 10 2019 3:06 pm EST

By Emily Bench Staff reporter, Columbus Business First May 10, 2019, 1:28pm EDT Updated 2 hours ago Columbus Blue Jackets beloved goalie Sergei Bobrovsky is selling his high-rise apartment at The Condominiums at North Bank. It wasn't immediately clear what this could mean for Bobrovsky's future with the team. Comment was not immediately available from the Blue Jackets' communications office or Paul Theofanous, Bobrovsky's agent.

Stevielegs


Fri May 10 2019 1:08 pm EST

That Kakko goal is a must see for my hockey playing teens whose practices currently include 30 minutes of one-legged skating drills (skate guard on one blade for 15 min then switch legs, I sometimes need a knee PT appointment after just *watching*!)

LeoS


Fri May 10 2019 1:06 pm EST

Re: HUGHES-KAKKO “dilemma” - this reminds me a lot of the 2004 draft...it was pretty clear OVECHKIN was going first-overall...but the consolation prize? MALKIN. Now what would have happened if the draft order was reversed? Well, that’s a VERY good question...I think it’s safe to say the Pens would have had the most dynamic one-two punch in the modern history of the NHL...but then the Caps would have had just a SICK middle...and MALKIN out of the shadow of CROSBY? Oy. But I digress...look, if I’m looking at HUGHES and KAKKO, my first inclination is to say KAKKO is much more of a DQ player. He’s a big guy, likes going to the dirty areas. Doesn’t shy away from physical play. Actually, he’s a quintessential DQ player...HUGHES is more cerebral...he sees the ice in such a different way than others...everything is moving slow around him...and in that way, he can absolutely thread the needle. From anywhere. He’s a guy who is going to make EVERYONE on the ice better. I wouldn’t say he’s a finesse player simply by virtue of him being. USNTDP product. Finesse is not part of it. But he’s not going to go blazing full-speed to the net on one skate with reckless abandon. And I don’t think you’ll see him do the work on the boards that KAKKO seems so fond of...I guess another way to look at it is that I could see KAKKO scoring 40-plus goals early on in his career. I could see HUHGES, OTOH, racking up 60-plus helpers early on in his career...either way, the Rangers are getting a stud. And really, there is no wrong answer to this question.

tdchi


Fri May 10 2019 1:00 pm EST

Hall, hell ... you get the picture. And yes ... go Canes. Boston? Ugh. Sharks? DeBoer? Calls? No. Blues? Who? I also heard Binnington's a bit of an asshole. But even if not, no.

Nick


Fri May 10 2019 12:58 pm EST

Not sure anyone can truly rip the Hawks. Three Cups in six years ... and they had to blow up a lot of the roster twice in that stretch. You can live on three-in-six for a hall of a long time even if you start to be crummy for a few years. I'd take it.

Nick


Fri May 10 2019 12:55 pm EST

MY REQUEST Mr Gorton: Please find the NYRs a Tom Wilson/Chris Neil clone... I don't give a sh*t how the NHL is now a skating league...always need skill and intimidation on the wing come playoff time... JUST SAYING!!!

schneidw


Fri May 10 2019 12:50 pm EST

Gotta love Brooks..antaganozing the fanatics of two fan bases with one little tweet two months before anything can happen..He knows his job, that's for sure..

Hospo


Fri May 10 2019 12:50 pm EST

Trade -LOL! Exactly!! I’m telling you, he writes the shit he does for two reasons: To troll Ranger fans and to piss people off. I know some think he’s edgy and unfiltered...but if you break down his posts and his columns, it’s more that he’s diliberately trying to get under people’s skin. Reminds me a little bit of ol’ bi-Polis.

tdchi


Fri May 10 2019 12:33 pm EST

Now I see why Tdchi wants to put LB's head into a wood chipper....."Boy, he will look good next to Hischier". It should read "would" look good.......But LB thinks he is the fuckin Devils GM and head scout......Go suck it , LB!!!

tradestar28


Fri May 10 2019 12:30 pm EST

Oh yeah, LB - stop being such a douchebag.

limbo


Fri May 10 2019 12:29 pm EST

KK - Wow! How the hell did he stay up and turn on one skate, at that rate of speed, and maintain control of the puck, and head up looking at the goalie, and finding the hole behind the keeper, all while getting corkscrewed.

limbo


Fri May 10 2019 12:17 pm EST

Hughes and Kane are gonna be linemates on big ice. Prepare to chase the puck SVK. It’s gonna be a long night.

E


Fri May 10 2019 12:12 pm EST

I’d be stunned if the NJD passed over Hughes. If they did? Thanks... Kakko is a phenom for sure but honestly Hughes is just too much to walk away from. In many ways, in the New York Rangers depth chart Hughes is a better fit if you consider that Cheeto to me looks like a winger every bit as a center. So go ahead NJD, take Kakko. Ain’t gonna happen. But if the NJD can play head games on Twitter feigning that they’d take Kakko? To me that would be interpreted as stupidity.

E


Fri May 10 2019 11:55 am EST

Bob: That's what I think, too, but you never know. We've seen this before, albeit perhaps not with such elite prospects. The most recent being the Devils selecting the Swiss kid over Nolan Patrick who was the consensus number 1 most of that draft year.

rF4l


Fri May 10 2019 11:49 am EST

If the Devils select Kakko, Gorton will RUN to the podium to take Jack Hughes. I don't think that will happen. I think Hughes will be a Devil. I would be delighted to have Jack Hughes on the Rangers.

Bob


Fri May 10 2019 11:44 am EST

The pressure on the Devils to get this right is enormous compared to the Rangers. The Rangers selection, given that Hughes and KK are heads and shoulders above their respective peers, is a no-brainer. Whoever the Devils pass on the Rangers automatically select. If the kid the Devils pick evolves into the better player, then good choice on them and nothing on the Rangers. If, however, the kid the Rangers pick turns out to be the better player, the Devils inevitably made the wrong decision and will be second guessed forever over it. I wonder what they're thinking and how much they rate one kid over the other. Is it a clear decision for them regardless of what happens at this latest tourney? If they haven't made their (internal decision) and will use this tourney to help them make it, then good for the Rangers. My gut tells me Hughes should go first because he sure seems like a true number 1 centre and we all know how critical that is to a team's success. It could possibly be that the Devils are divided and view both kids equally - if so, organizational depth will (or should) factor in and indeed, it could mean because they arguably have a number 1 centre, they'll pick KK. I'll be happy with either kid but I'm focusing on KK because I think he'll be the one available when the Rangers select.

rF4l


Fri May 10 2019 11:36 am EST

2 goals for Kakko. One into the empty net. Still baffles me how Canada does not win more of these games. Their lineup is certainly good enough.

Bob


Fri May 10 2019 11:36 am EST

Which fanbase is LB trolling here??? ... Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie .... Kakko named Finland player of game after two goals (one empty netter) in 3-1 victory over Canada. Boy, he will look good next to Hischier.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 10 2019 10:47 am EST

Well, we know he can/is Finish! :)

Ranger47


Fri May 10 2019 10:45 am EST

Corey Pronman ‏ Verified account @coreypronman 1h1 hour ago More Kakko's goal is first goal by a U18 at the Worlds since Laine in 2016. Previous U18 to score before Laine was Anze Kopitar in 2005.

RDW


Fri May 10 2019 10:39 am EST

I am gonna drop the thought of Panarin for 5 minutes and watch the Kaako goal like 20 times. You cant teach what he did with his left leg then that finish. Boy does he bring optimism.

shonuff


Fri May 10 2019 10:04 am EST

Nice goal, Kakko... https://www.tsn.ca/must-see/video/must-see-kakko-splits-defence-twists-past-murray-for-slick-goal~1680636

andrei


Fri May 10 2019 9:50 am EST

STEVIE: Two things. What exactly did GORTON say that leads you to believe that he wants to "speed up" the rebuild? And second, what exactly does that mean? Isn't drafting KAKKO (or HUGHES) going to do that on its own? Does he mean trading away more vets to get another top 10 pick? Or does he mean trading away assets and prospects for established players? Or does he mean signing UFA players? GORTON has said a lot of things that have been wildly interpreted over the last few years. There were people quoting him here to prove that there would be no sell off and rebuild through the draft. I don't speculate on what the plans are anymore. I have no idea what the plans for the draft, trades and UFA signings are. But we will know in just a few weeks when it all unfolds. I'll just wait and see....

Vic


Fri May 10 2019 9:47 am EST

NEWFIE: I didn't realize it was on now and just turned it on. I missed the goal but thanks to RHET for posting the highlight. Beautiful pass to set up that scoring chance and KAKKO looked great on it.

Vic


Fri May 10 2019 9:38 am EST

There are no words.... https://twitter.com/StevenEllisTHN/status/1126855709835104261?s=20

Rhet0ric


Fri May 10 2019 9:26 am EST

Holy shit....…….anyone besides me watching the opening game of the Worlds......Kakko just opened the scoring against Canada on a beautiful solo effort...split the D and slipped it in on a great move. Wow !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri May 10 2019 9:23 am EST

rF4l, as recently, LB is pulling shit out of his ass. He has no longer have inside knowledge..

andrei


Fri May 10 2019 9:12 am EST

COMARK--So sorry your family has to go through that again. I was still living there when Columbine happened and I will never forget that entire episode. When I heard of the latest one it brought all those memories back. I wish you, your family and friends all the best. Now I will be watching Kappo Kakko this morning on NHL Network against Canada.

Bob


Fri May 10 2019 7:45 am EST

Hey LB: Here's a prediction: The Rangers will NOT trade Buchnevich unless some incredible can't turn down deal falls in their lap.

rF4l


Fri May 10 2019 6:34 am EST

Stop the presses. https://nypost.com/2019/05/08/should-mats-zuccarello-and-the-rangers-reunite/

Stevielegs


Fri May 10 2019 6:30 am EST

Vic you want to prolong what the gm is trying to do. He is looking to speed it up.

Stevielegs


Fri May 10 2019 1:34 am EST

td, i think you completely missed my point. I did not compare Krieder to Stone. I think stone is a better player. That's said, i can gurantee you that Krieder's agent will use Stone's $9.5 mil as a bench mark and conversation will start at around $7.5 mil. Easy. Nor did i compare him to Hayes. What i said was that since Duchene is looking for a $10+ contract, Hayes will get his $8 mil. HAYES ($8), ZUCC($5.5-$6), KREIDER($7.5-$8), PANARIN($12), KARLSSON($9.5), SKINNER($10), DUCHENE($10). EBERLE might have to take a paycut to his $6 mil. Since upper echelon players take a bump in salary, middle level and lower level are getting squeezed. I would say EBERLE at $4.5-$5.

andrei


Fri May 10 2019 12:09 am EST

RF4L - Whoa. Slow down. I AIN'T defending their cap management AT ALL..their overall MANAGEMENT of the team was kind of abysmal...to give away THAT many top-end players...for nothing? The only thing they got out of the BYFUGLIEN trade is the pick they used on HAYES and because they wouldn't promise him a roster spot...gone...They rented Dale WEISE and earthly remains of Tomas FLEISHMANN for Phillip DANAULT, who is a very good number-2 center...They got back Brandon SAAD for PANARIN...but that deal is so bad, they might as well have gotten back nothing...They moved TERAVAINEN to divest themselves of BICKELL'S contract. HINOSTROZA to divest HOSSA'S contract...and in each case, pretty much got trash back...BUT...and here's the big, flopping badunkadunk butt, because they hit homeruns with TOEWS and KANE, they could afford to be such numbskulls with pretty much the rest of their asset management. The other thing that is utterly dumbfounding is that they keep nailing picks in the draft. With exception to the Rangers, I think just about every team in the league passed on DeBRINCAT. Hawks used a 39th overall pick to get a kid who just turned 21 and already has nearly 70 goals in the NHL...

tdchi


Thu May 9 2019 9:53 pm EST

Damn..I hate the effin Bruins..but they took what Carolina gave away..Carolina played so well for 2 periods and then PFTTTBH!!!! But gotta give the Bruins credit, which i hate doing, for getting it done in the third

Hospo


Thu May 9 2019 9:45 pm EST

Carolina gave this game away

rngrsans


Thu May 9 2019 9:41 pm EST

HOSPO- Thanks, brother. I'm on the "Bunch of Jerks" bandwagon myself. SCHNEID- Yeah, It's been crazy here. And we see this stuff on the news every day. No respite. VIC- I love how Zucc was 31 when we traded him and he is 33 by the end of the article! LOL

ColoradoMark


Thu May 9 2019 9:27 pm EST

TD: Wow, you're defending the Hawks and their cap management? Maybe I'm getting old and confused but seems to me until very recently you loved taking shots at their cap management inabilities. What the hell?

rF4l


Thu May 9 2019 8:32 pm EST

I know this is a very fast game, but I can't understand the mentality of Defensemen pushing, checking, tripping the offensive guy driving to the net directly into their own goaltender. Raask is lucky to still be playing once again because of stupid plays by Boston D-men.

NYStranger


Thu May 9 2019 7:16 pm EST

andrei: Man, I think sometimes you make these statements without having watched these guys play. That's not meant as a knock either...but if you're comparing STONE to KREIDER or HAYES or...well...pretty much any Ranger winger from last year, you haven't seen much of STONE...There's a reason he's getting that money and it's not because he takes up the vanishing acts that HAYES and KREIDER are prone to. The other thing I think you really fail to grasp is that as much as free agency is an open market, there are sooooo many different influences on where a guys settles and for what kind of cash. But for shits and grins, you tell me what you thing the cap hits and the duration on the following players will be: HAYES, ZUCC, KREIDER, PANARIN, KARLSSON, SKINNER, DUCHENE and EBERLE. I'll match you and we'll see where we fall come July. I'm pretty confident your values will be rather inflated.

tdchi


Thu May 9 2019 7:06 pm EST

shonuff - All speculation. The only thing that has come out about PANARIN is that he "wants to test the market," which is code for he's leaving Columbus. Florida was allegedly trying to trade for him at the deadline...but I've heard the Hawks and Rangers are both hot for him...lord knows what his number is...there was a lot of speculation here that TAVARES was gonna end up at $13 million...and he ended up signing for less to be with his hometown team...A lot of folks here forget about that factor...So long and the short is, we won't know until July 1. He didn't even entertain an offer from the Jackets.

tdchi


Thu May 9 2019 7:02 pm EST

On a side note, a while back I was musing about how the Rangers really could use another "MESSIER-type" player to help a young, talented team settle into its own...a leader that had run his course on his team and was ready for a change...and the name that came to mind was Jonathan TOEWS. A center who could add offense and play the PK...a guy with a brimming trophy chest...and at the time, with QUENVILLE being canned, I was thinking maybe...just maybe...But man, I didn't think long on it. Came to the conclusion pretty quickly that the Hawks just aren't gonna move a player like that. No reason to with their cap and his production and his age. My exact conclusion was you'd need to be nuts to move a player like that...and the only real way it would happen is if the Rangers gave up a Messier-like haul for him.

tdchi


Thu May 9 2019 6:56 pm EST

Y'all are NUTS about the Hawks...Positively off your rockers...if you think there is ANYONE in that organization that is either regretting the deals they gave to KANE and TOEWS or if there's even a mild appetite for trading them...In fact, those two are literally the POSTER CHILDREN for what a team wants from it's star players...and for how everyone can get rich if both sides give and take a little...they won them the cup in 2010 making peanuts...then when the Hawks were REALLY feeling the cap crunch and they had every chance to really bilk them for dollars, they took sweetheart deals...BIGTIME hometown discounts. And long term. Both were worth WAAAAAY more than $6.3 million...but they knew if they were going to repeat, they wouldn't be able to grab that big payday...so wink-wink nudge-nudge...we'll hook you up later...and those two delivered bigtime...cups in 2013 and 2015...and then when it was all over, they got their big payday...Now this thought that either of them isn't worth that money?!? CRAZY. Blind, stinking crazy...KANE has scored 381(!!) points since signing his deal four years ago...TOEWS has basically stayed on his career average...but his possession metrics haven't skipped a beat and he's 60 percent in the faceoff circle...he is and remains one of the top centers in the west, bar non...he's the Hawks' equivalent to Patrice BERGERON...NEITHER of them has slowed down one iota. Sure, they're not the same players they were when they were 22 and 23...but guess what? In a lot of ways...they're better! KANE, for sure, because he has matured into one fucking hell of a winger...And the Hawks 'bad cap situation'...WHAT?! They have $18 million(!!) to replace six scrubs...they just drafted Henri JOKIHARJU, Nic BEAUDIN and Adam BOQVIST...all three with top pairing potential...Erik GUSTAFSSON just put up 60 goddamn points from their blueline...and they're picking third overall this year and will likely walk away with another in Bowen BYRAM. Or COZENS. Or PODKOLZIN...all guys who are shoe-ins for top line players...They just stole Dylan STROME from the Yotes and scored a hole-in-one with DeBRINCAT. And they look suspiciously like they may have a decent tender in Colin DELIA...and shit, they just BARELY missed the playoffs this year...by a hair...So what the ever-loving fuck? KANE and TOEWS dragging them down?!? DO explain...Yes, they got a few contracts I wouldn't want...SEABROOK is one that is awful. KEITH, who still has some hockey left in him, is also bad...but it's not like they need that space...in fact, there was a lot of talk a few months ago that they'd be strong suitors for PANARIN, which actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it...The ABSOLUTLY CRAZY part about all of this is that this is where they are at after literally GIVING AWAY all the following players: BYFUGLIEN, HAYES, TERAVAINEN, PANARIN, DANAULT and HINOSTROZA. Sooooo yeah. Do explain how the Hawks are so bad off with those two...and definitely explain who in Chi-Town is regretting them...Cuz where I'm looking, I'd be pretty goddamn pumped as a Hawks fan. They might not be a top contender next season, but they are well on their way to contention again.

tdchi


Thu May 9 2019 6:48 pm EST

LIMBO. I got you now. You are correct and that is my bad.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 6:47 pm EST

LIMBO... We have Winnipeg's 1st rounder, which we got for HAYES. #20 overall.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 6:45 pm EST

Rhet - NYR only pick second in the 1st round. All other rounds, their regular pick is in the 6th position. Of closure, they traded a few of these and picked up others.

Limbo


Thu May 9 2019 5:41 pm EST

Add the NY Islanders who could seriously use PANARIN too. They're a heavy team, can provide him protection to play his game. They're licking their wounds by getting zilch for TAVARES. They let FILPULLA go, resign EBERLE, sign PANARIN, and they have some offense... Nothing but money.

mf


Thu May 9 2019 5:21 pm EST

ANDREI: To be clear, next year means absolutely nothing to me in terms of the Rangers ability to score goals or not. They are not making the playoffs. They aren't even close to being ready to make the playoffs. They need another year at least of drafting (hopefully another top 3 pick) and then at least another year or so of developing these prospects and players. That is why I say the timing isn't even close to being right to bring in a guy like PANARIN even if he is a 100 point player next year. Because next year doesn't matter. It will matter 3 or 4 years from now. And when it matters most PANARIN is going to be a 50 to 60 point guy getting paid $12 Mil per year and killing the Rangers against the Cap.

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 5:01 pm EST

If we had gotten the DALLAS 1st round pick, we could have used that pick and Winnipeg's to get into the top ten in the draft. Now, Winnipeg's pick and the Dallas 2nd rounder might get us to 14. Maybe.... Hopefully 1 or 2 guys fall and the point is moot.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 4:47 pm EST

Just so we are on the same page. This team will have hard time to score next season. Panerin fills the need. We can argue whether Panerin is a good fit or not, and it’s a fair argument to have. That’s said, to knock down Panerin for not advancing CBJ team is just not fair. He was a highest point getter on the team. To call Artemi a have being is just wrong. To claim that he somehow will be a less player on the Rangers is baseless. He a late bloomer, not even in his prime, yet. When he is, I fully expect him to scratch 100 point plato. Like in basketball, you want your guards on the court to create their own shot. Panerin is just that player. He makes things happen. Easily a top 15 player in the league. So if you want a player like that, he is there, and all you have to do is write a check. You don’t have to give up picks, prospects or any other assets. Cap is not a concern because team won’t have to worry about till his contract is up. So if you want a discussion on how he fits/ does not fit, let’s have it.

andrei


Thu May 9 2019 4:15 pm EST

Some gms and players like ntc. How many gms would sign an ok to demand a trade clause ?

Stevielegs


Thu May 9 2019 4:12 pm EST

Vic panarin is a has been? I think you are over the top on that one .

Stevielegs


Thu May 9 2019 4:08 pm EST

RF4L: Yep, we've been watching the same changes. Is there risk in it? Sure, but IMHO it is less risk then signing an aging has-been player to a big contract like that. As you mentioned, those retirement contracts are almost impossible to move. At least with a guy who is 24 or 25 and not living up to his contract there will be teams willing to take a chance that a change of scenery is all he needs....and sometimes that does work. But moving further into the future I think you are going to see the contracts for guys in their late 20s or early 30s go way down. This is what has happened in baseball but the age scale is a little different. But, older players in their 30s have a really hard time even getting contract offers.

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 3:48 pm EST

Vic: I posted a few weeks ago how the NHL's landscape is changing in terms of how to pay for its stars. In the past (and that is as recent as when Chicago and LA were winning cups), the fat deals went to the stars coming out of their 2nd contracts ala Kane, Toews, Kopitar, Carter, Crosby and Malkin. Those teams are now feeling the effects via being cap strapped with aging players who are basically untradeable. Teams have noticed and are now nailing down the top end players on with second lucrative, long term deals. This is happening before those players have a chance to deliver what the Kanes, Toews, Kopitars and Crosbys succeeded in doing. Now we're seeing players like Matthews, Nylander, Eichel, McDavid, Draistal, etc getting fat deals without helping the team to that sort of success. Previously, therefore, top end guys were getting paid as much for what they'd done vs what they will deliver in the future. Now it's shifted to getting paid for potential. Risky business for sure. What will be the repercussions? Well not every team is going to win the cup so some of those are already easy to forecast. In Toronto, for example, Matthews will be an UFA at the age of 25. It'll be interesting to see the Marner contract - it might be something similar. Toronto, in other words, had better win in the next 4 or 5 years. I guess the upside is that in 5 years, a couple of fat contracts will be off the cap but at same time, they'll be out some high end players.

rf4L


Thu May 9 2019 3:45 pm EST

COLO MARK: Not to forget the Aurora movie theatre shooting.... so strange and sad... makes no sense whatsover

schneidw


Thu May 9 2019 3:33 pm EST

ZUCC: NYRs should much prefer DAL first rounder than bringing back a 33YO winger that averages 15 goals a year... I am a fan of ZUCC but it should be apparent he belong in DAL at this point in his career.. which is basically what he is saying... the only question is whether DAL management feels he is worth a 1st rounder.....

schneidw


Thu May 9 2019 3:31 pm EST

Here is what I get for our numbered picks... .2, 20, FOX, 49, 58, 64, 112, 126, 157, 205 (as opposed to what everyone else has 2, 20, FOX, 49, 58, 68, 112, 130, 161, 205 like Wikipedia has) .... I'm sure I'm counting wrong, but the 58th pick is the LIGHTNING pick which is in 27th position. there are 4 positions to be decided after that (2 conference final losers, the Stanley cup winner and loser), then we pick 2nd in that next round. That's six spots later, which would make our pick #64 and not #68. Can someone double check me on this?

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 2:39 pm EST

Vic-all due respect-Kane was neck and neck for MVP most of the season. Hawks didn't have to pay them because the league structure works for drafted players with entry level, arbitration rights, restricted free agency. Free agency first year (age 27) gives us the right to sign a player who gets past those hurdles-you can actually steal a player that hasn't been locked up for 10 years like the Mcdavids & Eichels. You act like 27 is 37-it's the prime of your career. Even in today's NHL-you easily have 5 good years as a forward before anyone should worry that you're slowing down. OV is 33-Stamkos is 29 and one of the best players in the league. We get it-you don't like the idea of a Panarin signing at current threshold-I don't care if he gets 10mm as long as he's a blueshirt & wants to play here. Either way-Gorton doesn't give a flying fuk what either of us thinks I'm sure. I think there's a good chance the Panthers will blow him away with their edge & dollars-if it's most money (net) he wants-we'll probably finish second in the bidding.

puckyou


Thu May 9 2019 2:20 pm EST

Depending on your outlook, this could be good news or bad news for the Rangers. Mats Zuccarello sounds like he wants to remain in Dallas, which — provided the Stars, too, want him back — would give the Rangers the Stars’ 2020 first-round pick. But it means the popular forward wouldn’t be returning to Broadway. “This is my team now. We’ll see what’s going on,” he told Dallas reporters Thursday, two days after the Stars were eliminated from the playoffs in Game 7 by the Blues. “I’m kind of a guy when someone believes in you and wants you, I usually like that. We’ll see.” The Stars believed in him, and he justified that belief with 11 points in 13 playoff games. The Rangers traded the 33-year-old in late February for two draft picks — a second-rounder in 2019 and a third-rounder in 2020 that becomes a first-rounder if Dallas re-signs the 31-year-old Norwegian. Of course, other teams could swoop in, too. But if Zuccarello has his way, it appears the Rangers would have a first-rounder and not their fan favorite.

mf


Thu May 9 2019 2:19 pm EST

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mf


Thu May 9 2019 1:11 pm EST

Matthew DeFranks @MDeFranks.... Mats Zuccarello: “This is my team now. We’ll see what’s going on. I’m kind of a guy when someone believes in you and wants you, I usually like that. We’ll see.”

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 1:06 pm EST

One other thing. I suspect that if the Blackhawks had it to do all over again they would have gone longer term on those second contracts with TOEWS and KANE. They would have gone 7 or 8 years on that contract. At that point they probably would have moved one or both at the deadline before they were to become UFAs. But by going 5 years they put themselves in a bad spot. They were still a cup level team in December of 2014. I'm sure they figured that they might not only win the Cup that year but maybe one or two more after that over the next 3 or 4 years. As it turned out they just won that one last Cup and then nothing since. I don't blame them for resigning both TOEWS and KANE for those contracts at the time. But if they had to it do over again they probably would have done the longer term contract on the second one. BTW, the NHL is getting smarter about this. Teams are looking to lock up star players coming out of entry level contracts for long term now. This "should" make their overall Cap hit much lower through the course of their contract. They shouldn't be paying a max contract like the Oilers did with McDAVID when they do this. But the Oilers have been pretty poorly managed so....

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 12:57 pm EST

PUCK: You posted this morning making it sound like Chicago went out and paid TOEWS and KANE $10.5 Mil per year and then won 3 Cups. The reality is that they won 3 Cups in large part because they didn't have to pay TOEWS and KANE that kind of money and were able to bring in other veteran depth players to help round out those teams. They haven't won a thing since they started paying those guys $10.5 Mil per year. That is in part because the money they have tied up in those guys prevents them from bringing in other players. But also because TOEWS, KANE, KEITH, SEABROOK and CRAWFORD are all on the downsides of their careers now. They aren't the players they used to be. Even KANE who had a phenomenal season, from a points perspective, isn't the player he was 5 years ago. After I posted the facts related to their Cup history and contracts you responded by shooting the messenger. You may not like the fact that players in their late 20s are past their prime but it doesn't make it untrue. You may not like the fact that paying guys a max contract prevents a team from being able to upgrade their depth but it doesn't make it untrue.

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 12:41 pm EST

McI resigns with the Wings. I was kinda hoping Gorton would sign him and make him captain of the Pack.

rf4L


Thu May 9 2019 12:38 pm EST

RHET: Nobody is saying that the Rangers shouldn't target free agents to help build the roster. What we are saying is that they shouldn't be targeting top dollar free agents that are 28 or older for a long term contract with the expectation that they are going to be a top line star or top pair defender that carries the team offensively. Those players should be either acquired through the draft (preferably) or acquired via trade when they are YOUNG (meaning 23 or younger).

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 12:34 pm EST

I think we should take on salaries & trade prospects and or 2nd round picks for 2 additional 1st round picks rather than sign Panarin...... Besides, PANARIN is a better fit for teams like Colorado, Buffalo, Edmonton, Florida........ We should be ready to go Deep into the Playoffs the year the Seattle-Socialists come into the League

mf


Thu May 9 2019 12:30 pm EST

limbo bingo! :-) but we traded our 2nd rounder for FOXY... https://www.canescountry.com/2019/4/30/18524274/carolina-hurricanes-trade-signing-rights-adam-fox-new-york-rangers-draft-picks

mf


Thu May 9 2019 12:26 pm EST

Funny thing is I read it yet again and realized I probably over read. I just made my own head explode.

shonuff


Thu May 9 2019 12:23 pm EST

E: I was referring to the comment SLegs said . " According to what Panarin is willing to except from NYR" is why I asked what that was. I know he will get max in today's NHL. Maybe I over read.

shonuff


Thu May 9 2019 12:20 pm EST

If the cap does go up to $83 Million next season like has been reported, a max deal will be $16.6 Million. I am going to guarantee right now that PANARIN wont be getting a deal that averages $16.6 Million. I know, I know, I'm really going out on a limb with this one.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 12:11 pm EST

STRANGER... I don't want to get into a discussion on how bad the drafting was during the Sather years(because it was not too good and the conversation could probably go on forever).That said, of course you want to draft everything you need as a team, but that's not reality. Look at pretty much any or every NHL team out there. Sometimes you need to trade for or sign UFA's to get the things that you don't have.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 11:44 am EST

Shonuff: Panarin is going to get a max contract. Wherever he ends up.

E


Thu May 9 2019 11:28 am EST

Puck, Salary Cap Era. Not 1991

NYStranger


Thu May 9 2019 11:18 am EST

mf - this is what i got (as per wikipedia, which as we know, is ALWAYS right): 2, 20, FOX, 49, 58, 68, 112, 130, 161, 205

limbo


Thu May 9 2019 11:05 am EST

ooops: & # 21 too......

mf


Thu May 9 2019 11:03 am EST

2, FOX, 58,59,111,130,161,204,

mf


Thu May 9 2019 10:52 am EST

Conversation Leafs PR @LeafsPR.... Leafs centre John Tavares sustained an oblique injury in preparation for the World Championships. Tavares will return to Toronto for further evaluation by the Leafs medical staff and a further update will follow in the coming days.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 9 2019 10:35 am EST

27-that's ancient-we should put them down like an old dog. Funny-we traded for Mess at 31 (pulled him out of the nursing home) and he won a Cup for us at 34

puckyou


Thu May 9 2019 10:04 am EST

you silly boys, it's time to think outside of the box to get into the box

mf


Thu May 9 2019 10:03 am EST

What is Panarin willing to accept from NYR ? Was some info released somewhere ? I am curious what that number would be even if a rumor ???

shonuff


Thu May 9 2019 8:45 am EST

Vic maybe someday the nyr will be like Chicago, hopefully after winning Cups . By then they will have their own panarins et al. But according to what panarin would accept from the nyr is definitely worth exploring. I don’t think the gm has your mindset. If his bosses tell him to get him, he will.

Stevielegs


Thu May 9 2019 7:55 am EST

PUCK: The Blackhawks won their first Cup with TOEWS and KANE when they were both still on their entry level contracts if I'm not mistaken. They won the other two cups with both guys under 5 year contracts at $6.5 Mil per year. They resigned both to 8 year $10.5 Mil a year contracts that went into effect on July 1, 2015. Since then they have won ZERO Cups. TOEWS just turned 27 and KANE was 26.5 when those $10.5 Mil contracts went into effect.....

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 7:27 am EST

Chicago Blackhawks have 2 players each with 10.5mm cap hits-have won 3 cups i believe with those 2. Sometimes you do get what you pay for.

puckyou


Thu May 9 2019 7:11 am EST

As for the playoffs, yes my interest is gone now. With the Rangers draft positions finalized I have no interest in the playoffs given the teams that are left. I doubt I will watch much of any of it but I'm hoping Carolina wins the Cup just because I hate Boston and dislike San Jose and St. Louis.

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 7:08 am EST

STRANGER: Outstanding points regarding PANARIN and RICHARDS. And yes, a question about PANARIN has to be in the pool for next year if he is such a lightning rod now. Isn't it funny how fans get amnesia every year when July 1st rolls around. Diving in the deep end with massive contracts for aging players never works out for anyone, especially the Rangers. The fans spend all year long grumbling about the bad contracts on their team and the stupid GM who went out and signed those guys. Yet when July 1st rolls around they conveniently forget all of that and clamor for the latest shiny object. I will never understand it. Maybe it comes from that very human trait of seeking the easy way out of a problem....the "get rich quick" way. Who knows. I'm certainly no psychologist. And I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night........

Vic


Thu May 9 2019 6:29 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 8h8 hours ago With the Sharks win tonight #NYR will have pick #??2??0?? (from WPG) to go along with pick #??2?? in the 1st Round of this year’s Draft.

stevielegs


Wed May 8 2019 11:48 pm EST

ColoradoMark - Hey man, I just caught your post..Sorry you guys had to go thru that back in 2013 and have to revisit/flashback to it through the years, including yesterday..Itjust hits such a chord for us older people wenn it involves those younger..Anyway, that's why they made meaningless diversions like hockey and the Rangers,,Sorry..the Avalanche couldnt advance for you guys...The HURRICAN do absolutley nothing ofr me, but I guess they are a good story and the ony team left I can remotly root for, especial ywhen playing those scumbag BRUINS!

Hospo


Wed May 8 2019 11:22 pm EST

Er, pick'em questions.

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 11:21 pm EST

An over under on Panarin's point total must be one of next years poll questions!

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 11:20 pm EST

Nash was a '40' goal scorer because he did it for how many years of his career? I think 3. Out of how many disappointing seasons? He at least scored the 40 to be called a 40 goal guy. Let's at least wait for Panarin to score 100 before we all anoint him a 100 point player.

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 10:42 pm EST

NY, I don’t understand your point. Based on what you expect Panerin to get 60 points next year, if, historically, his points went up year after year and this season he got 87 points? Historically, Panerin is point per game player. 27 point is a huge drop. Why do you think that playing for DQ vs Torts, will translate in dramatic point loss? Does that mean next season you expect Rangers to be a scoring deficient team? Panerin is 27, so it cannot be to his age. Do you think it will happen because you expect Ziba to struggle after a year in which he beat his personal best? Hope you all realize, if that happens, Rangers will end up challenging Sens for the worst NHL team...

andrei


Wed May 8 2019 10:00 pm EST

The real genius was when Chicago Blackhawks signed Brad Richards as a role player vet for little money because Sather had to buy out his terrible contract. They got basically the same player we had in NY for a fraction of the cost, so the Hawks could still afford the other great players on that CUP winning team.

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 9:55 pm EST

No Rhet you want to draft the Brad Richards that led the 2004 Tampa team to WINNING the Cup. Not sign him much later in his career to just help you get to finals then lose.

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 9:50 pm EST

I still can't see how anyone can say that he will or even may score between 80-100 points after he signs with the Rangers or whatever team. How exactly is that? He is already past what is historically the age scorers reach there scoring peak. About 26-27 YrsOld. He has never done anything close to 100 pts. TD has it right in that you will most likely get between 60-80 points out of him which is a nice number but not worth what he will be paid and not what you need from a top line player on a Cup winning team. He would be a nice addition to any team but not for what he surely will get paid.

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 9:46 pm EST

To win a Stanley Cup, you first need to get to the Cup finals. It makes signing a guy like Brad Richards worth it.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 8 2019 9:40 pm EST

Vic, amen to not signing Panarin or any UFA to mega bucks deal. So,.'Show me when a team brought in a high dollar UFA player to be the #1 scorer or biggest offensive weapon and had that guy lead them to a Cup win'. Answer: when Sather signed Brad Richards and the Rangers won the...oh right!

NYStranger


Wed May 8 2019 9:30 pm EST

andrei: Re Panarin at $12,000,000 vs something more reasonable and why it matters: 1) Because it's stupid to overpay. To argue that the cap can accommodate it is, with all due respect, silly. 2) As being cited, signing any player of that age in today's league to a 7 year contract risks having the second half (or last third at least) of that deal being way too much money for what's bing delivered. 3) You're paying this guy for as much as what he's accomplished (who the phuck cares) as what he might do as a Ranger 4) Paying him that sort of money means he should be a saviour - yeah right, with this organization been there, done that! For decades. I will reiterate: $9,000,000 per is too much money - what you're inexplicably hoping for is over the freakin' top. Stay away from Panarichoke!

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 9:23 pm EST

And right on Rf4L.

Nick


Wed May 8 2019 9:22 pm EST

What a cheeseball rule. Come on NHL. Change that absurdity.

Nick


Wed May 8 2019 9:20 pm EST

CoMark....that's horrid. Maybe not politically correct, but WTF with all the guns in the US. Never mind, I know the answer but do believe that's a significant part of the problem.

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 9:16 pm EST

$8,000,000 per for Hayes? LOL

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 8:52 pm EST

TD, Hayes will get over $50 mil. 100%. Once inc had dried up on Stone’s contract, baseline for a mid 60 points guy just went up by at least $2 mil. Easy. That’s in the state with no state tax.. You don’t think Krieder went “Thank you, brother!!!” Stone is making $9.5 mil. Duchene turned down $10+ mil from Ottawa. You don’t think he will get $11 from another team?? Common, dude.. You don’t think 1st contract players did not follow Nylander’s saga and did not take notes? Nylander stupid contract raised the bar for all future RFA’s coming off the first term. Now Rantanen’s contract negotiations will begin at $8 mil and he will land at $9+. It’s not players fault, it’s ownership fault. There are 31, almost 32 teams. Each owner does not give a fuck about other team cap issues. They worried about their own team. To Knights, signing Stone to a $9.5 contract made sense. Whether it impacts Krieder’s base pay, then can care less about. So once Stone’s contract numbers became known, Krieder’s salary demand just went up by almost $2 mil. Again, UFA’s have all the bargaining power. Some team, for sure, will offer a going rate. Once Duchene is off the market, teams that did not get him, will turn to Hayes, and some GM will offer what he is looking for....

andrei


Wed May 8 2019 8:32 pm EST

JMHO but I'd be shocked if Hayes gets 7 million per year. Also, I can see Panarin getting 10 per but anything over that seems insane to me.

RDW


Wed May 8 2019 8:26 pm EST

So I know some of you might remember that my daughter was attending Arapahoe HS when the shooting occurred in December of 2013. Well, yesterday was a hard flashback of that day as the STEM school shooting occurred 3 miles from where I work and my good friend and business partner has two kids (a 6 year old and a 15 year old) who attend the school. They were both fine, but it was a very tough day. The amount of mass shootings we've had here in Colorado is staggering and most of these have been within 10 miles of where I live. The fact that the Avs are playing the Sharks reminds me of Columbine 20 years ago when the Sharks were in town and they had to change the location of the first two games. I was talking with Tony Granato, who was playing for the Sharks at that point, and he was just devastated. My friends 6 year old is in a picture that was in the national news. It's just crazy. Anyway, as I did last time, it's nice to be able to talk to my Wall friends about this. Not trying to bring anyone down, but it did put some things in perspective (again!). But I'm rooting for the Avs for more than just the 1 higher spot in the draft!

ColoradoMark


Wed May 8 2019 8:23 pm EST

andrei - I'm assuming you're talking in rubles right? C'mon man. Get a grip here. Why do you think every NHL player is worth $8 million plus? I don't think you're largely off base on PANARIN...but KREIDER?! Come the fuck on. Christ, you were telling us HAYES was/is worth $8 million plus a few months back. Do you honestly believe this, or are we talking different units of money?

tdchi


Wed May 8 2019 8:18 pm EST

TD, doesn’t matter what you think it’s fair or not. Player will get what he worth on the UFA market. That price is $12 mil. Krieder’s price is $7.5-$8. Ducheine will get between $10.5-$11.5. So you either offer the going rate or you don’t make the offer at all. You can try $9 mil * 5, but his agent won’t even bother with the counter offer, simply because it will be considered an insult. No one leaves $20 mil on the table. If you don’t think that GM’s know what each player is looking for, ahead of the free agency, you are kidding yourself. I wish Panerin would sign for $5 mil. I wish Tavares had signed for $4 mil with the Rangers. Is this a realistic approach? It doesn’t matter what fans think player x should be getting. What matter is what the going rate is, and going rate is going to be very high this upcoming offseason.

andrei


Wed May 8 2019 8:03 pm EST

What I’m wondering is why right now folks are worrying about contract amount which Panerin will be making? Why is it matter now? Rangers are at least 5-7 years away from getting close to max. Just so we are on the same page, not a single kid on this roster will be a max player for years. I could understand if instead of going via draft, Rangers pulled 1997 and went drunk sailor shopping on all top UFA’s. As it currently stand, Rangers have only two players signed past 21. Two players!!! Take Shitty, Smith, Staal, Hankie, Vesey, Nemo off the roster and Rangers will need contracts to reach cap floor, let alone getting close to the cap. Even if Kappo will come out of gate scoring 100 points, he will be three years away from the next contract.. Miller and most of the future d-core are 2-3 years away from playing in NHL. There is no guarantee that it won’t take Kravtsov 3-4 years to become a dynamo force, which means he very well can be on his 2nd contract already. Like I said, I would totally agree with the cup concerns if Rangers were planning to sign Karlsson, Ducheine, Boob and Panerin. Then it would totally make sense, but if we only talking about Panerin, why do we care if he makes $9 mil vs $12???

andrei


Wed May 8 2019 7:49 pm EST

ColoradoMark - They're shooting for the POs this year. I will bet almost anything on it. They may HAVE to go with the young'ens...but it won't be for a lack of trying. Hell, they were going for it this year until the wheels fell off mid-season.

tdchi


Wed May 8 2019 7:48 pm EST

re: PANARIN - He's an elite player, no doubt. And he's a big game performer. The guy had a great playoffs and has a consistent track record in the post season. But is he worth MATTHEWS-McDAVID money? TAVARES money? Not a chance. Oddly enough, I ALMOST agree with andrei here, that he WILL command $10 million plus...I'm not sure about $12...but let's not split hairs...Do we want to fork over that kind of dough? That's a good question...Looking at it a little closer: Let's say he wants $70 million over seven years...that brings him to his 34th birthday...Who are your comparables? Not GABORIK for sure...a guy who had a pretty long documented list of injury...the two names that come to mind are Zach PARISE and fellow Russian Pavel DATSAYUK...the latter specifically. I think those are the kind of numbers you'll see out of PANARIN. You might get another 80-plus point season in there, but will probably average out in the high 60s and low 70s...on a $9-to-$10 million deal, that's about normal and acceptable...even though fans and Larry Brooks would bash him for that...but if we're laying out $12 million for him, that's a contract he'll never live up to and a cap hit that will quickly become onerous...now, if I'm calling the ball? I don't think the Rangers will sign him. I frankly don't think he fits the mold DQ and Gorton are slowly building for this team...if he falls into their laps at a discount? Like I said...$9 million per or something like that? I think they'll snap him up. But if he wants JT/Matthews/McDavid money, they'll pass. I can almost guarantee it.

tdchi


Wed May 8 2019 7:30 pm EST

requiem for DALLAS: Another team that simply ran out of gas. Man, I give Ben BISHOP some major props, because he defended an utter onslaught for roughly 60 minutes of the game...It was only a matter of time...I have to question Jim MONTGOMERY a little bit, because his lines seemed very mismatched and while I wasn't watching close enough, I didn't see him make many adjustments during the game...SEGUIN and BENN both disappeared. I don't know if they were gassed or out-classed or drunk or what, but they were invisible for most of the game, with exception to BENN's high-fly ball to deep left field...ZUCCARELLO was EASILY the most noticeable forward on that team, with HINTZ and RADULOV a close second and third...I kept waiting for Montgomery to shuffle the lines and maybe get all three out there at once...but he didn't...and I don't really know why...big props to the Dallas D too, because they really did take a lot of heat off of BISHOP. While he faced a few dangerous chances, a lot of his work was basic...shots from the outside and no one in tight to whack them in...where do they go? Well, if I were them, I lay out for ZUCC. It's a no-brainer contract...more on that in a moment...A first and a second for a sparkplug who is an EXCELLENT role model for your young players? Easily. Dallas has some very good young players that will replace retreads like COMEAU, SPEZZA(he's a free agent mf!), POLAK and FEDUN...it's a shame they couldn't have broken in some of that talent this season and landed us that first...but ce la vi.

tdchi


Wed May 8 2019 7:16 pm EST

JFC31 - At one point, Larry Brooks might have been a journalist. I assume he was for the reason you site: He's in the HOF. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why, unless it's for his shear longevity. His "insight" is literally trolling the Internet and now Twitter for fan rumors, which he then reports as fact. I used to think to myself "well maybe when he was younger, he had a bit more ethic..." And then one day I was looking for an old article and found a column of his from right about after the lockout that had four or five totally spurious "reports" about who the Rangers were "hot" after and what there master plan was...I mean, it was utterly laughable how wrong he was in the hindsight of history. If you pulled his by-line off and compared it with some of the idle speculation here, the only way you could tell the difference would be the misspelling of the latter. And yeah, a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Nobody is wrong ALL the time...Brooks is no exception to the rule. The BIG difference is we here on the wall don't usually claim to have "sources" or honestly believe that what we're writing is gospel. Brooks? He states rumor as fact. And I'd bet my bottom dollar that he often writes without sources, even though he always claims otherwise...now here's the CRAZY part about that...he's a goddamn COLUMNIST. An OPINION writer. He doesn't need sources. He can write whatever the fuck he wants. And he does. And often it's mean-spirited...His "sources" are eves dropping and overhearing shit in the locker room. He doesn't care about context. He doesn't care about accuracy. And he doesn't care what anyone thinks. He just writes it. And because he's Brooks, writing for the mighty NY Post, he's accepted as gospel. Well, I'm frankly sick of it. I worked in the media for a long time and for the most part, I found the folks I worked with were honest, hard-working and above all, human. Larry Brooks is none of those things. He's a lazy, sub-human asshole who cherishes when the team he covers hates him. He doesn't even care HOW he gets them to hate him, that's the kind of sadistic fuck he is...Now...the DAVIDSON thing...well, shit on a shingle. What kind of genius would it take to think JD might be interested in the Rangers and the Rangers in JD? He left the broadcast booth BECAUSE he wanted to get involved in hockey operations...and because Sather was there, he had no spot in New York. Yet every career move he makes seems to be circling back to the Big Apple...Let me ask you this: Would you be SURPRISED if JD came to the Rangers? Not me. In fact, he'd be on my short list for the job...in fact, he's really the only logical choice...a guy who has done well with two organizations. A guy who has a LOOOOONG history with the Rangers. A guy who WANTS to be in New York. Scoop from Brooks? Well, if watching the sun rise and proclaiming the world hasn't come to an end today is considered a scoop, then maybe so.

tdchi


Wed May 8 2019 3:53 pm EST

Trade... You are insane. Clearly, the correct way to go would be Cathy Lee Crosby. Actually... scratch that ...first... Burgess Meredith(Those Amazing Animals) if he were still alive, then Cathy Lee Crosby and finally Gil Gerard(Buck Rogers). Primarily because we could never afford a Lynda Carter.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 8 2019 3:50 pm EST

Vic do you think the Nyr gm is not going to check in with panarin? I think he will kick those tires. And it seems he wants to speed up what he’s trying to accomplish. I don’t think he wants to be finishing next season like this one.

Stevielegs


Wed May 8 2019 1:41 pm EST

COMark: I will be disappointed if they just go with the kids next year....but i will be equally upset if they are stupid with contracts. It needs to be the right players and the right contracts

Wildcard


Wed May 8 2019 1:34 pm EST

The Rangers should hire John Davidson as President. Not the John Davidson the goalie/broadcaster.....but the guy that was on that's incredible with Fran Tarkenton and Cathy Lee Crosby...

tradestar28


Wed May 8 2019 1:19 pm EST

CMARK: Oh, we are going to have lots to talk about around here either way. Heads will be exploding for sure....

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 12:50 pm EST

VIC- Good points and I can't say I will be disappointed if the Rangers just go with the young'uns and draft another high pick next year. I'm happy with the direction Gorton has us going as well. However, I do think Panarin is a guy worth pursuing and I don't think it messes up that plan too much. Gaborik had injuries before he came to the Rangers and it just got worse as he got older. I don't think Panarin is as high risk as Gabby, but no one knows how a players health will hold up in the NHL. At least it gives us something to talk about!

ColoradoMark


Wed May 8 2019 12:24 pm EST

ZUCC: If ZUCC takes a hometown discount and factors in the no state tax.. I can see here DAL resign him to a 4 year deal because he was a catalyst to the team and the fans really got behind him.... I can see DAL in a win now mode and willing to give up the 2020 1st rounder to keep ZUCC... Maybe wishful thinking but I watched several of the STARS games and ZUCC was there top threat most every time.....

schneidw


Wed May 8 2019 12:22 pm EST

PUCK: Where do I start. There is no misery in my world at all. Actually, I am thrilled at where the Rangers are right now. They have a ton of young players, prospects, a #2 overall pick plus a bevy of other picks. I have some faith in GORTON and I like DQ as a coach. All good so far for me. I just don't want to see them screw it up. As for BARZAL or PANARIN....sure, I'd love them both for free. But it doesn't work that way, right. If you've seen the my debates with WILDCARD around here you would have seen that I don't want the Rangers to sign ANY high dollar UFA guys.......ever. Sweet Jesus the Rangers track record in doing that is a long miserable tale of regret. And show me where that has helped any team to win a Cup in the Cap era. Show me when a team brought in a high dollar UFA player to be the #1 scorer or biggest offensive weapon and had that guy lead them to a Cup win. I can't ever remember that happening even going back before the Cap era. I do want vets though. Guys that can lead the kids, show they how to be professionals and how to win. But they don't need to be $12 Mil per year free agents. And they shouldn't be guys you are relying on to carry the team offensively. How do you get those great offensive weapons? You draft them. And that is what the Rangers are in the process of doing. I would prefer it if they stayed down in the dumps for one more year to get another top 3 pick. After that they should have enough to build around. That is just my opinion, not that you, the organization or anyone else cares. I'm just a dopey fan......

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 11:23 am EST

3. Gorton last week told The Post the Rangers would wait until the hiring of a president to succeed Glen Sather to begin their search for a head coach and staff for the AHL Wolf Pack following the dismissal of Keith McCambridge and his assistants. Bolstering the operation in Hartford, where the club has missed the playoffs the last four seasons, will be a major priority for the organization.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 8 2019 11:00 am EST

Gotta love the fans on here-pure unadulterated misery. Our team sux-and a great player is available-but we find fault everywhere. It's too much money (you're not paying), too many years, he's going to be old someday, blah blay. This is a team that dressed Vinny Leterri last year-guys who went 30 games without a goal. This guy is on the same level as a guy like Barzal-would you take Barzal for free if he was available. Sure-he's 5 years older-but that's why he's a free agent. What do you think Barzal would cost in a trade? Nothing-you know why? He would never be traded. Face it-NYR are going to compete with multiple teams for this guy-some like Fla.-have an edge with taxes and his old coach. Isles would love to sign him I'm sure-especially with the prospect of replacing some of the guys they're losing. But don't worry-cousin Vinny is cheap-we can play him first line PP.

puckyou


Wed May 8 2019 10:33 am EST

ANDREI: Correct, the current rules allow for 8 if he resigns with Columbus, but a max of 7 anywhere else.

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 10:27 am EST

One other thing on PANARIN in general. I don't understand why people believe that he is going to be nothing but better as he gets older. Some guys do end up putting up more points for a season or so as they approach or move through 30. But while point totals may spike for one reason or another they are clearly on the down side as a player. A great example is TOEWS. He just turned 31 last week and had his best year ever in terms of point totals. But if you watched him play this year he is a shadow of the player he used to be. He used to be a dominant, elite player that could totally control the game when he was on the ice. Those days are long gone. Now he can just put up points on a losing team. And he will be getting paid $10.5 Mil against the Cap for another 4 years. Do people think PANARIN is going to explode offensively just getting away from TORTS? Really? GABORIK never had a better season in his career then he did under TORTS his first year in NY. He was 27 then. And he did nothing but diminish as a player after he parted ways with TORTS. His points and points per game totals went down not up. And of course he became more injury prone as he got older which contributed to his drop off. Again, that happens a lot to guys who are in their late 20s and 30s. I'll bet anyone right now that PANARIN never scores 100 points in a season in a Ranger uniform should he sign here. I doubt he ever scores 100 points in a season for any team but he could land in a situation like they have in Tampa with inflated offensive numbers. Also, offensive numbers have been trending up over the last few years. There were 6 players that had 100 or more points this year. Last year there were 3. In the 7 years before that there were 5 total. PANARIN finished 18th in scoring among forwards last season. It was his best point total in the NHL in his career. Is the 18th best scoring forward worth $12 Mil+ per year???? ZBAD finished with only 13 points less last season for only $5.35 Mil......

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 10:01 am EST

Vic, you can't sign him to a 8 year deal. Only Jackets can do it.. 7 * $12.

andrei


Wed May 8 2019 9:55 am EST

ANDREI: Yep, lets agree to disagree on PANARIN. I'm hoping the Rangers don't sign him for a 7 to 8 year deal at $12 Mil+ against the Cap. You are. That is fine by me.

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 9:44 am EST

NC: did you see Panarin in the playoffs because that was no regular season guy. He had a tough run on game-6 but he was dominant almost all playoffs long. We could argue all day long if he is the right guy at the right time in this teams developmental process. That’s a legit argument. But to argue who he is as a player? Yeah, he averages over a PPG in the playoffs. And he has experience. It’s a legit argument as to whether it’s smart to sign a guy to a premier contract that’d take him thru maybe 32 years old. And what that would do for your structure. And if there is an exit clause that would help the New York Rangers find an off ramp as they’ll hopefully have to start shelling out big money on the likes of Kravtsov, Kakko, Shesterkin etc... that’s a legit concern. But Panarin the player? Good god man... this kid is a legit superstar. A top-10 player in the NHL. And he brings it. He’s a guy that is gonna hit the 90–100 point range in the coming seasons.

E


Wed May 8 2019 9:33 am EST

the old panarin or not panarin question....it's a sather no brainer gamble...better to do , than regret.....he can help the youngsters learn....and hopefully the nyr instill a winning culture rather than hope for a top pick next year by losing again.let the gm figure out how to get a top pick without losing....he has chips to play if he wants that now for next year....

stevielegs


Wed May 8 2019 9:21 am EST

Andrei- While we disagree about Zucc (and Hank), I agree with you on Panarin. The guy will be paid that money, so saying he isn't worth it is ridiculous. His worth is the market value. He's got tons of talent and he is still young. This isn't paying an aging vet a retirement contract for past performance. Will it affect our cap? Sure, but I'd rather pay one guy a lot of money who has the ability to dominate a game. Chicago traded the guy because they knew this contract was coming and they couldn't keep him and their two big contract guys.We have had guys with big contracts, and some have even (somewhat) delivered. But never in the prime of their careers. None of the other potential UFA's in the next few years offer what this guy can. He immediately gives us a weapon we have never had.

ColoradoMark


Wed May 8 2019 9:11 am EST

When the Islanders sign Panarin for 12 mil a year but only 5 years and he has two 90 point seasons and one 100 I don't want to see the doom and gloom on this board. Who ever gives him that type of money has two talented first line mates waiting for him. A motivated first year Panarin IMO gets 100 points .I don't think its the dollar amount more the years. I would give him max for 5 because that is what he will get from teams that ARE going to the playoffs the next 3 years. The team that comes out of nowhere that gives an insane 9 year 110 mil NTL contract then bye bye.

shonuff


Wed May 8 2019 9:11 am EST

Vic, let's agree to disagree. Panerin's rate is $12 mil. He will get it on July 1st. Rangers will offer that amount because he fills the need. We shall see in 5 years where we are. I think his signing will be a very good one and team will be very happy with the results. You say, it won't. Future will tell...

andrei


Wed May 8 2019 8:32 am EST

RF4L - I agree that the Panarin contract at 10.5-11.5 (as I heard one of the pundits on Sirius recently guesstimate) is far too rich for my blood. Even at $9 million I'd hesitate, although consider on the term - although I wouldn't go longer than 5 years, so a no go. I say let the Isles, FL, or Chicago dole out the mega contract. He is a great regular season player, but the playoffs are a different animal and if I'm going to dole out a 11/12 million contract it will be for the likes of a young emerging star (think Drai, Marner, Matthews, etc.). Panarin is young, but he's not THAT hockey young anymore. He'll be 28 when the next season begins and the back half of that contract is going to be a nightmare for some team. I say no thanks. Stevie - Dallas definitely got a lot out of Zucc. Hopefully they see the benefit of keeping him around another year and he re-signs there giving us their 1st rounder for next year, which by all accounts, could be deeper than this years draft. Then you hope for a complete meltdown and two cracks at the lottery for us.

NCRanger


Wed May 8 2019 8:13 am EST

stevie: Yes good point. Sather loved those, didn't he? So far Gorton doesn't give any or they're limited NTCs. The full NMCs are killers for sure.

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 8:12 am EST

The real problem with signing most is the ntc problem. Otherwise it’s mostly a no brainer.

Stevielegs


Wed May 8 2019 8:09 am EST

At least Dallas got their money’s worth for zucchini. The nyr didn’t. But he like purple haze and most nyr look to pass first. That’s a real bad habit. ....

Stevielegs


Wed May 8 2019 8:06 am EST

So I hope Carolina and the blues or Colorado meet in the finals. I want boston and San Jose gone , they don’t deserve making the finals. Hopefully the hockey gods and karma agrees.

Stevielegs


Wed May 8 2019 7:59 am EST

I fully concur that signing Panarichoke for anything over $9,000,000 (and I flinch at that number, too) would be wrong and end up being a contract ala Staal that the Rangers hate down the road.

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 7:57 am EST

Here's a kid I'm hoping the Rangers have their eyes on - Scott Wheeler suggests he's a mid-round pick but his scouting report sorta contradicts that. If he's as good as this report sounds, perhaps with Tampa's pick, if he's still around? Ethan Keppen — LW, Flint Firebirds, 6-foot-2 Keppen is a big, heavy (214 pounds), often mean winger who finished the season ninth among under-18 OHL players in points (59 in 68), tied for fifth in goals (30) and put together an excellent season given his supporting cast. Flint’s second-leading scorer to Dallas Stars 13th overall pick Ty Dellandrea, Keppen is a lot to handle when he wants to be and can overwhelm defenders with his reach and power, attacking at them instead of around them. I was honestly pretty surprised when he wasn’t named to Team Canada for U18 worlds, given the size element he would have provided them lower in the lineup. When Keppen keeps his feet moving he creates chaos below the hashmarks, forcing defenders and carriers into tough spots with the pressure he’s able to provide. Once he gets the puck along the wall, it’s tough to win it back from him. Keppen’s shot isn’t all that deceptive (his drawback needs to be a little tighter by leveraging his weight more) but it comes off of his blade hard and he can blast it past goalies. More than that, he’s also a sneaky playmaker, which is reinforced by his strong primary assist numbers (21 of his 29 assists were first assists) and will stop up to find the trailer or throw a surprising pass to the front of the net mid-cycle in the offensive zone. I can see Keppen slipping into the later rounds of the draft only to return to Flint with an 80+ point season next year. He can take over a game as a one-man generator on his line.

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 7:42 am EST

Vic - completely agree. But, as we have seen over the years, owners/gms don’t think like is. Not sure how anyone would be amazed or be surprised at this behavior. It literally happens all the time. I’d be shocked if there was EVER an off season were no teams overpay for a UFA.

Limbo


Wed May 8 2019 7:34 am EST

RF4L - just having fun, not really serious complaints from me. And I said previously, all thing being equal, I’d prefer next years DAL first. No way they get the conf final and I think 2020 draft is deeper. So it would definitely be a better asset. Plus, a chance that DAL tanks and we get another lottery pick. I have to think the odds of DAL wanting to resign went way up. But it takes 2. Hopefully Zucc feels the same. He has most of the power here. I’m worried about PHL and AV chucking a bunch of money at him.

Limbo


Wed May 8 2019 7:25 am EST

Yes, disappointing that Dallas couldn't close the deal. However, I do think there is a good chance that they resign MZA either way. Did anyone else see the play last night where MZA got the puck in the slot and had a chance to win the game but tried a pass for a one timer that was fanned on? MZA hasn't been an over-passer for Dallas since he arrived but on that one I cringed. We saw him do that so many times in a Ranger uniform. That was the most irritating thing about him and HAYES. They had the puck on their stick in the slot with a chance to win games and would pass it away for a low percentage play more often then not. Oh well, not the Rangers problem anymore I guess.....

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 7:21 am EST

ANDREI: You said..."Vic, we got it. You don't like high end players. High end players make high end money. "..... So, I assume you posted that to try to irritate me or something. Because anyone who has ever read anything I've posted here would have to laugh at that. But I'll give you an honest reply. I do like high end players (as you well know). What I don't like is paying top dollar contracts for what aging players have done in the past for other teams. I've been rock solid and consistent in my stance that you cannot pay players for what they did in the past in some other organization. You have to pay players based on what they are going to do for your team right now and into the future through the life of that contract. And if they are not going to be able to perform at or above the level of the contract for a significant portion of the life of the contract then you simply walk away. Because signing them to a contract like that hurts your team instead of helping it. Let someone else overpay for that guy and regret it. This is especially true when your team is where the Rangers are. An argument could be made that if your team was at the top of the league in terms of Cup contenders, and just needed that one player to get you over the top, that signing a guy like PANARIN (assuming you could) would be the correct move. Personally, I don't buy that argument. That argument was made by people about Toronto and why they should sign JT. Well, now they have him and they are looking at real Cap problems moving forward even though he played great for them last year. But they would have been better off spending that money on two or three players who could have improved their overall team D and toughness. But the Rangers aren't even anywhere near that level. They are at the bottom of the league. Why do you want to go out and spend 1/7th of the Cap on a player that will be nothing but a liability by the time they are even ready to be a decent playoff team? That makes no sense. Like I said before. You pay PANARIN $12 MIl or $12.5 Mil against the Cap on a 7 or 8 year deal and you will end up with nothing but buyer's remorse before the ink on the deal is even dry. Because PANARIN was never was, and never will be that kind of a player who could live up to a max dollar contract. Not even close.

Vic


Wed May 8 2019 7:17 am EST

Limbo: Fully agreed on your last point - the June draft cannot come quickly enough (and here in Southern Ontario, spring has been delayed so BRING ON JUNE!). Also concur that we lost out on the Tampa and Dallas picks, but we did move up from what could have been 30th or 31st to get 19 or 20. Add that to winning the lottery and it's tough to complain. And as someone just said (and we mused about this earlier) if Dallas had won would they be less motivated to resign MZA because of losing 2 consecutive firsts? I suspect that certainly would have been a factor.

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 7:09 am EST

Won the lottery, picks climbing up, NYR luck turning around...Aaaaaand...we’re back!! Lol. Dallas with a brutal close out after up 3-2. They looked like they were stuck in mud for most of game 7. Really hope Zucc’s stretch there cemented a resigning in both his and the teams mind. Then, tank away sweet DAL. Good God, I want this damn season over already.

Limbo


Wed May 8 2019 7:08 am EST

Bob: I noticed Benn in the 1st period yesterday but didn't see Seguin at all the entire game (I didn't watch any OT - went to bed instead). That's a lotta dough for a lotta no-show...

rF4l


Wed May 8 2019 7:06 am EST

Now that Dallas is gone (as I expected but for sure they put up a far bigger fight than I thought they would), I could care less about the POs other than a hatred for the Bruins that will not motivate me to watch them, unless Carolina runs ramshod over them, which I highly doubt. Neither SJ nor St Louis have ever won a cup so for me, it's one of those 2 I'm pulling for but not to the extent I'll watch much.

rF4l


Tue May 7 2019 11:20 pm EST

So this year our picks are almost now officially set 2, 19/20, Dallas’ 2nd, and TB’’s 2nd. The last game of rooting interest is COL v SJ tom. COL wins and we get 19 instead of 20 slot in first round. I really don’t have too much interest to watch anymore outside of pulling for Carolina since I can’t stand Marchand and Boston. I hope they send that punk and B’s packing.

NCRanger


Tue May 7 2019 11:20 pm EST

The war room automatically looks over anything close and notifies the refs to get to the box.....there was time for them to look at it....IMHO the refs should have regardless but from one view it looks close but not over all the way....don’t think it could have been conclusively said to be in.

Wildcard


Tue May 7 2019 11:13 pm EST

The Norwegian Cowboy!

mf


Tue May 7 2019 11:12 pm EST

St. Louis deserved the game tonight. But where were Seguin and Benn this series? The last 2 games? Going from 3 games to 2 up to out of the playoffs. If I were a Dallas fan I would be pissed.

Bob


Tue May 7 2019 11:11 pm EST

Yep that blows. I’m not sure that was a save by Billington you fuckin yahoo refs. How does the league not review that. Olcyzk thought it was in. That shit should have been given the magnitude of this game especially in OT 2. The officiating and league has become such a joke under Bettman. That’s right Barkley, they’re in the 3rd quarter of the hockey game....haha. Oh well, hopefully Zucchini resigns there. I’d almost prefer next Year’s first. He had a great playoff and the ladies look muuuuuch better in the south. Plus not state inc tax! Sign Zucc sign!

NCRanger


Tue May 7 2019 11:08 pm EST

That would give Rangers 2 and around 20 this year........and lets say Andrei is half right and the Rangers suck in next season and Stars do too......then maybe a 5 and 10 pick in 2020

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 11:06 pm EST

well....maybe if Dallas won tonight and lost in WCF.....they would not have signed Zucc. They lose tonight, Rangers get their 2nd rounder in 2019.....and maybe they sign Zucc to contract and Rangers get a 1st rounder in 2020 with possibility of Stars missing playoffs and lottery ball action.......So Dallas losing tonight could be a silver lining.....

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 11:00 pm EST

Well, fuck me. C'mon Dallas, sign Zucc!

Jratelle19


Tue May 7 2019 10:59 pm EST

Dallas shot was in! How did they not review?

BONGO


Tue May 7 2019 10:59 pm EST

Ok, so what becomes of the Dallas pick?

mf


Tue May 7 2019 10:59 pm EST

Well damn

Wildcard


Tue May 7 2019 10:48 pm EST

Bishop doing everything he can to get the Rangers another first rounder. Hopefully the rest of the team can follow in tow in OT 2. Dallas finally had some chances in the first OT. They got owned in periods 2 and 3 and STL looks like they have a lot more gas. It will take some luck

NCRanger


Tue May 7 2019 10:45 pm EST

TD -your hatred of Brooks is well known ‘round these parts. However, Brooks must have the respect of quite a few people in the NHL community to be in the HHOF, no? And if JD does sign with us, you’ll chalk it up the the “blind squirrel finds a but” scenario, yes?

JFC31


Tue May 7 2019 10:41 pm EST

TD - yep, you’re utter hatred of Brooks is quite well known ‘round these parts. But, more than one person around the NHL must respect the guy if he’s in the HHOF, no? Not saying that makes his article correct, but it also doesn’t make it wrong. If JD does sign with us, you’ll chalk it up to the “bling squirrel finds a nut” scenario, yes?

JFC31


Tue May 7 2019 10:39 pm EST

How is DALLAS still in this game?

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 10:38 pm EST

Very entertaining OT period. Dallas sure gets pinned in their zone for extended periods. Where is Tyler Seguin? He has been no factor.

Bob


Tue May 7 2019 10:25 pm EST

The OT has been the best hockey of the game.

Wildcard


Tue May 7 2019 10:16 pm EST

Feels like a Blues goal is coming..

Shaggy


Tue May 7 2019 10:03 pm EST

Have the refs called anything on STL tonight?

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 9:53 pm EST

TD... I'm talking facts and you're talking about your 'feelings.' I give you Travis Yost (TSN) and David Pagnotta. Two of the most respected, accurate sources out there in Hockey sports news. All the guys you respect follow them... so what do you do? You mock Rotowire because they reported the Pagnotta news after listening to his SiriusXM show. Classy TD, real classy. You can continue to live in denial and we'll both have to just agree that you're wrong :)

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 9:30 pm EST

2 shots on net by Dallas dince the 1st. Lololololol

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 9:24 pm EST

Guess that's why the Stars fans don't cheer much - they're hockey savvy enough to recognize a mediocre team.

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 9:22 pm EST

No wonder the GM didn't mind the contingency on the picks. He probably never envisioned getting this far. Like the BJs another so-so team.

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 9:19 pm EST

I repeat...how did the Stars get this far? They suck.

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 9:16 pm EST

DALLAS better decide to show up soon or they'll be headed to the Golf course.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 9:14 pm EST

The Stars have to find another gear...they are getting owned.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 9:12 pm EST

Dallas playing to lose.

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 9:11 pm EST

stevielegs - agree completely.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 9:11 pm EST

Incidentally, here are five hockey interviews that went wrong. Is it any surprise that Larry Brooks was involved in three of them?! Seriously: He is hated by the Rangers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7O6mpfkea4

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 9:11 pm EST

Teams might have asked about hanky, but I highly doubt the gm asked him to waive his ntc.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 9:06 pm EST

JFC31 - Oh Chicken Little BROOKSIE is "worried" about the Rangers? JD "as good as done?" This was the same clown who erroneously reported the Rangers were talking to YZERMAN. The guys has either lost his marbles or doesn't give a shit...or more likely both. He is positively the lowest scum in sports media. He hates the Rangers and they hate him...I'm not even gonna give him the click to see what the hell he's prattling on about with this "untenable situation" the Rangers are facing with...GULP...BUCHNEVICH. And DeANGELO. And CLAESSON?!? BWHAHHAHAHHA. Seriously, the guy has lost his marbles.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 9:04 pm EST

2 more years of Hank. SATHER SUCKS!

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 9:01 pm EST

Rhet0ric - LOL. Dude. Look at the sources you're providing. A Sirius radio host. Rotowire. Sorry, no dice. And even if I believed a Tweet that starts with "hearing that..." you do realize how liberally that could be interpreted, right? Say, for instance, the Jackets come to the Rangers and ask about Hank. What are the Rangers going to say? SURE! LET'S ASK HIM!! Nope. They're going to say he doesn't want to go anyway, so sorry...keep moving...I'm sure they know EXACTLY where he stands, which is that he wants to finish his career with the Rangers. Why in the fuck would they ask him to waive his no-trade clause if they KNOW he's not going to do it? Well, I'll tell you why they wouldn't: Because a snot nosed little fuck like Larry Brooks might catch wind and would spin that rumor into "Entitled King Hank screws the Rangers' rebuild." And for fuck's sake, what difference does it make anyway?!? IF the guy doesn't want to leave, and the Rangers aren't going to force him to leave...where does that leave us?!? WELL....Who you gonna move? SHESTYORKIN or GEORGIEV? Cuz by next winter, we're probably not going to need all three...And incidentally...I'm sure you caught the bit SHESTY threw out there about Hank being a role model for him coming up through the ranks...sure, maybe it's BS. Maybe it's PR spin...but guess what? Do you think the Rangers would be throwing that shit out there if they HONESTLY thought Hank is on his way out? NOPE. You got at least one more year of Hank. Most likely two. The sooner you accept it, the easier it will be on you.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 8:59 pm EST

We only need for Dallas to win this 3rd period - something we all would have signed up for at the trade deadline.

Ranger47


Tue May 7 2019 8:48 pm EST

Panarichoke when asked why he choked last 3 games says 'Nobody knows'

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 8:45 pm EST

ZUCCARELLO.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 8:44 pm EST

Alison @AlisonL.... Panarin when asked if he might stay in Columbus: “nobody knows”

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 8:43 pm EST

How did the Stars get this far?

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 8:39 pm EST

Is Tyler Seguin playing? Absolutely invisible.

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 8:29 pm EST

Kerry Fraser @kfraserthecall .... In a 2 Ref system you should work the end zone as though you are alone. Things happen more quickly down low. The neutral zone Ref has time/space to adjust position as to what his partner down down low. #notrocketscience

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 8:28 pm EST

Is it just me or are the refs trying to help the BLUES out a bit?

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 7:46 pm EST

JFC.... He' basically a co-president with the Columbus Blue Jackets. The NYR job would make him a full President. Can't stand in the way of a promotion :)

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 7:45 pm EST

Zucchini with the goal.

RF73


Tue May 7 2019 7:44 pm EST

MZA!!

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 7:44 pm EST

Zucc! Hope it holds up.

Ranger47


Tue May 7 2019 7:43 pm EST

ZUCC ties it up at 1-1.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 7:40 pm EST

Panarichoke better be prepared to take a JD discount.

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 7:39 pm EST

3rd 1st rounder slip sliding away...

RF4l


Tue May 7 2019 7:36 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/05/07/john-davidson-is-a-rangers-lock-so-let-the-artemi-panarin-frenzy-begin/

JFC31


Tue May 7 2019 7:34 pm EST

New article by Brooksie in the Post says JD to Rangersbis basically as good as done. Rumor has it JD has a clause that allows him to,leave if Rangers offer him the President job. He also talks about $12 million Rangers will have tied up in players like Claesson, Smith, D'Angelo, Namestnikov, etc and says, "That obviously represents an untenable situation for an organization that ideally would add a significant piece up-front and another one on the right side of the blue line. Hence, Gorton will have to make significant subtractions before jumping into the pool in search of noteworthy additions. Vladislav Namestnikov and Jimmy Vesey thus join Shattenkirk, Smith and Kreider, and perhaps Pionk and Buchnevich, as endangered species, understanding that the Blueshirts will have to yield something of value in order to acquire a top-pair righty or top-six winger of physical substance."

JFC31


Tue May 7 2019 6:48 pm EST

Pagnotta's original tweet.... per David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod.... Hearing at least one team recently approached the Rangers about Lundqvist, but were told he's still not willing to waive no-move. 12:48 PM · Feb 25, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 6:36 pm EST

BS.... Travis Yost @travisyost NHLNetwork is saying Columbus inquired on Henrik Lundqvist. 3:27 PM · Feb 25, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 6:06 pm EST

Guess that scoop was never shared. It could be poop instead. Why wasn’t hanky asked directly by anyone since that rumor? I call bs.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 6:00 pm EST

Sorry TD... It was BROOKS that pushed the spin. How the noble HANK wanted to stick with the team through the rebuild. This was after he had a conversation with JAMES DOLAN.... It was reported by the TSN guys(among others), that the NYR went to HANK about waiving his NMC and he said no. It was also later reported by CBS Sports at the deadline that the CBJ's were interested in HANK and he again said 'no'... "Rangers' Henrik Lundqvist: Refuses to waive NMC" .... https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/rangers-henrik-lundqvist-refuses-to-waive-nmc/

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 5:36 pm EST

NHL Player Safety @NHLPlayerSafety ..... Boston’s Charlie McAvoy has been suspended for one game for an Illegal Check to the Head on Columbus’ Josh Anderson.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 5:34 pm EST

Too much Larry Brooks for you, Rhet0ric. The Rangers never asked LUNDQVIST to waive his no-trade clause. They approached him to see what he wanted to do and he said he wanted to stay. And that was the end of that. All of that happened before the deadline and before the reboot started. Look as far as the Rangers are concerned, Hank is a wonderful asset. He’s worth more than his contract in merchandising and booting asses in seats...because his name is synonymous with this organization...moreso than any other player, perhaps since MESSIER. What they offfered Hank was a professional courtesy. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: he will remain a Ranger for as long as he wants to remain a Ranger. And I’d bet the family silver that’s until his contract is up. Right now, he’s got a very good young team with a whole slew of international studs. He’s in the city he loves doing what he loves. So tell me: what the fuck am I missing here? And I can tell you one more thing I know for sure: SHESTYORKIN, no matter what he says in public, did NOT hop the pond to ride the bus with the clusterfuck that is the Wolfpack. No way, no how. He might stick around there for a couple months waiting...but that’s about it.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 5:25 pm EST

@NHLPlayerSafety Boston’s Charlie McAvoy has been suspended for one game for an Illegal Check to the Head on Columbus’ Josh Anderson.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 4:53 pm EST

TD, in no shape or form, this current roster makes the playoffs. Only thing that kept this team afloat was superb goaltending. Zero chance Rangers make the playoffs. You really going to compare Rangers roster vs Canes roster and say that Rangers will beat them to the playoffs spot?? Even with Panerin and Foxx this team will be one of the worst in NHL. Bottom 5, at best. I don’t expect goaltending to be as good, nor do I have much confidence in defense core. Team will struggle to score. All normal for a rebuilding team. Goal is to see kids progressing in all aspects of the game. Winning comes later. I will be shocked if they will get more points next season. In reality, I’m fully expecting them to get less. Easily see them getting top 5 pick next years. There are 12 teams in the east that’s are better. Sens, Rangers and Wings are all will be competing for last remaining spots...

andrei


Tue May 7 2019 4:34 pm EST

Chokers and losers are interchangeable in the playoffs. At the end there are 15 losers. Tampa is the winner of the choking award.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 4:31 pm EST

Refs belong on a bed of nails if they continue to determine the outcome of games and series. The nhl system needs to be updated and improved.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 4:27 pm EST

McGuire on TSN690 talking about the McAvoy hit says refs are absolutely petrified after what happened in the SJ-VGK series, the refs that worked that game are not working this round. Says they are on pins and needles, no one wants to be in that position.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 4:20 pm EST

TDCHI.....Talk about a Monday morning QB, where were these sentiments prior to the last defeat? Wow, you cannot make this stuff up!!!! Granted, Torts will never be mistaken for Scotty Bowman. But choke artists, that is a bit much!!

kitchen1


Tue May 7 2019 4:15 pm EST

I think the gm asked hanky if he wanted to stay for the reconstruction, and he said yes. If the gm said to him we need to trade you , then hanky would probably begrudgingly agree to be traded ala Marty St. Louis.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 4:06 pm EST

TD.... What are you talking about? The NYR's already asked HANK to waive his NMC once and he said 'no'. That to me show's an appetite to move him. If HANK is not the starting goaltender, would you expect his resolve to be as strong? If SHESTYORKIN is in the minors purely because HANK is blocking his path to the NHL, would you be okay with him opting out to return to RUSSIA? Trading a young player to open up a spot for a 38 year old player is ridiculous. If this were any other player other than HANK, you'd be screaming that the NYR were mismanaging their assets AND you'd be right.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 4:02 pm EST

Tdchi the nhl unofficials helped boston. Other teams don’t get the concept of Cup wars . Hopefully the Nyr gm gets the picture. Regular season success doesn’t translate enough into the playoffs. It’s not the same hockey in the post season.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 3:56 pm EST

Just wanted to add a bit of a requiem for the Blue Jackets, who went from the darlings of the NHL two weeks ago back to the choke artists they’ve been for their entire franchise history...and then there’s Jarmo Kekäläinen, who shot the moon on the deadline, slew Goliath, and then accepted the goat-of-the-year award.:.it didn’t have to be that way though. Sadly, he just got a good schooling on why John TORTORELLA ain’t the coach you want behind the bench for too long. Because eventually, it does come down to coaching and not just a guy who cracks the whip. Torts tries and at the most basic levels of hockey, he succeeds. But he reminds me a lot of a World War I general...just totally oblivious to the wholesale changes to the battlefield and just undyingly committed to a style of play from a bygone era...why did the Jackets lose Game 6? Well certainly TUUKA had a lot to do with it. So did the usual puck-luck...frankly, I thought the Jackets outplayed the Bruins for large stretches of that game...but where they needed a coach was on the PP...and that’s where he failed. Miserably...I don’t even understand how a coach can take a PP with WERENSKI and JONES on the back line, and a dynamic force like PANARIN weaving through the zone...and come up blank. Four consecutive PPs from the second to the third and they couldn’t bang one home...and the crazy thing was, there was ZERO adjustment...take two guys and plant them in front of the net, have PANARIN zip around with the puck and have JONES bomb away. Didn’t work the first three times? Well try again. It was ludicrous, but more evidence that Torts is wholly incapable of thinking on the fly, much less changing. The Jackets were a hell of a team and their meat-and-potato brand of hockey really did look a lot like the 2011-2012 Rangers...but that was the problem: the 2011-2012 Rangers didn’t win shit...Mind you, the news ain’t all bad for CBJ. You can’t have a D like they do and be bad for long or at all...and despite being virtually wiped out of the draft for he next two years, they got some very bright spots in the system. But to take the chance thy did with Torts behind the bench? Well that was just stupid. And it’s gonna set that organization back several years when they lose PANARIN, BOBROVSKY, and DUCHENE for zippo.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 3:46 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/05/07/mats-zuccarellos-stars-emergence-could-be-rangers-boost/

MF


Tue May 7 2019 3:31 pm EST

Easy Vic. Not saying FOX is a superstar. Rather he’s a legit top pairing defenseman.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 3:30 pm EST

Rhet0ric - look: HANK ain’t going anywhere. You may think it’s a good idea to trade him. Hell, it might be. But it’s not gonna happen. There’s no appetite for it on Hank’s side or the Rangers’ side. And you’re not gonna have a goaltending trio. GEORGIEV’s stock is rather high and I bet there’s a few NHL teams that see him as a legit starter...I don’t think they should shove him out the door...but if he’s the cherry that lands us a top-10 pick or top prospect? DONE. No questions asked.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 3:22 pm EST

andrei - you talk a big game here. You know, last year at this time, you could e said the same exact thing about the Hurricanes. And lookie, lookie here: they’re in the conference finals and eight wins away from the cup. So I don’t know what kind of crystal ball you’re looking into, but it must not be very good if you’re putting the next five seasons of Ranger Cup contention on ice. Tell you what bud: I wouldn’t say that about ANY team in the NHL, much less one that will soon have some of the most talented young players in the league.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 3:17 pm EST

Please, please, PLEASE don’t tell me someone here is comparing FOX to CLENDENING. Just don’t, guys. Don’t even go there.

tdchi


Tue May 7 2019 3:09 pm EST

Ranger47, i see it differently. I don't see Rangers paying Kreider on a max contract. I'm not worrying about the cap at all. Once Hankie retires and Shitty/Smith/Staal contract are not on the roster, you have all the cap room you need. Do you know that as it stands today, Rangers have only $11.4 mil in salaries for the 21/22 season? Ziba and Skjei. That's all. I don't even think that Skjei will be on roster, when it's all said and done. Cap is $83 million. So you add Panerin's $12.5 mil. You still have $70 mil for entire roster. Again, without knowing who will be where in 5-6 years, why Paneri's contract is a concern right now??

andrei


Tue May 7 2019 2:51 pm EST

Sorry - You misunderstood and are actually helping make my point. I agree that a Cup run is more than 2 years away. That is why IMHO they need to spend the next 2-3 years seeing what they have in these young prospects trying to identify the missing pieces needed for the Cup run in the following years. That's when you get a Panarin-type player for the upcoming 5 year Cup window. And, it may turn out that the need is a top-10 defenseman or center or whatever. You'll know better then what's needed. Panarin may turn out to be overkill and his $ may prevent us from getting what's really needed. Again, JMHO on how to proceed.

Ranger47


Tue May 7 2019 2:46 pm EST

Ranger47, honestly, why you worrying about the cap in 5-6 years, when you have no idea today, who will be on the roster in 5-6 years. The answer is yes. You don't build your team around a star goaltender, and pay $9-10 for both G's and you will have money to pay Panerin and have a full legit roster. Keep in mind, Ziba is signed at discount, $5.3 mil price tag. All upcoming kids are years away from their big paydays.

andrei


Tue May 7 2019 2:40 pm EST

Ranger47, hate to ruin your fantasy, but Rangers will not be going on the cup run in 2 years. Not in 3 years, either. 5-6 years is more like it. Before you say anything, Rangers are not even making playoffs next season. Possible not making playoffs in 20/21 either. I'm fully expecting them in the mix in 20/21, but don't see it with the current roster. Future Ranger core is not even on the roster yet. Defense core of Miller/Lundkvist/Ragnarsson/Keane/Rykov is 2-3 years away. I still think that future defense star is not on roster. Will Miller become one, possibly. Will Foxx become one, possible. We shall see. Look at Seth Jones. He is just reaching that star status at 24, in his 6th season. To think that core of the team will be going for a cup in 2-3 years is bit too optimistic....

andrei


Tue May 7 2019 2:38 pm EST

andrei: Those of us concerned about what Panarin gets can agree with you - P-Z-B would be a good first line for the next 7 years. The elephant in the room is "at what price?" in a cap world. One line cannot win a Cup. Would we have enough money spend on the rest of the team to augment them. We just got a lot of young players who will be up for their $ in that same window. If we overspend on one key player who is not a league top 10 game breaker we may come to regret committing too many $ to one player. Tough decisions ahead for Ranger management.

Ranger47


Tue May 7 2019 2:14 pm EST

Puck, thank you. Vic, we got it. You don't like high end players. High end players make high end money. If you want a 85+ point player on your team, you will be paying him over $11 mil. That's the going rate, today. Year from now, that rate might go up. Two years from now, it might be even higher. When player reaches a free market, his rate goes up. So now, Panerin's rate will be $12 mil+, once calendar hits July 1st.. Say thank you to LVG and that amazing contract which Mark Stone had signed to bump up high end players salaries, at $9.5 mil. Say thank you to Tavares, and his $11 mil signing. Watch price ceiling raised again with Marner/Rantanen/Aho/Laine's contracts. Point might get 9mil in Tampa. in the nutshell, in today's NHL, if you want a high end player on your team, get ready to pay him top $. So, if Rangers want a high end player, today, then Panerin is the answer and he is worth $12+ mil. There is not a single player on current Rangers roster that can offer what Panerin can offer. Having Panerin-Ziba-Buch line brings a legitimate NHL 1st line for the next 7 years. That line can defend and can score at will. That's what Panerin brings. Is he a top end goal scorer? No, he is not Ovi. What he is a superb playmaker, whose hockey's IQ and hockey vision is above almost everyone in NHL. He is a legit top 10-15 forward in NHL. He fills the role that Rangers desperately need. That's it. So if you want a player like that, then you will pay the going rate. There is not a single player on Rangers today that is on the same level as Panerin. No one saying that Kravstsov or Kappo can't become that player. They very well might become a high end top 15 player, but that will be in 4-5 years. So i really don't get the argument at all.

andrei


Tue May 7 2019 12:55 pm EST

NOT LIKING THE FOX and CLENDENING COMPARISON!!!!!! Here’s the list of under-18 national program defencemen who’ve outproduced Fensore’s 0.76 points per game rate in the last decade: York (a potential top-10 pick), Adam Fox (66th overall, which has proven to be a steal), Adam Clendening (36th overall), Quinn Hughes (seventh overall) and Chad Krys (45th overall).

schneidw


Tue May 7 2019 12:42 pm EST

I think Panarin will get whatever he wants-if not from us-could be Fla., the Islanders or others who will be drooling to add him. Whether you want him to take 6 or 8 mm is irrelevant-his stats qualify him for almost whatever he wants up to 12 mm.

puckyou


Tue May 7 2019 12:37 pm EST

I'm with Vic. Panarin at a reasonable price is a good thing. But at what he'll get on the open market I say no. We'd want him to be part of Cup run in 2-3 years when our youth is ready to compete. But, IMHO, overspending on him will result in a cap hit in a few years that will put us in cap hell - especially if our youth develops as we hope it will and we need to resign/extend many of them. IMHO we need to develop the youth we have and are getting now and then see where the real spending need is in 2 years. Nothing against Panarin - just trying to remain practical based on where we are in the rebuild.

Ranger47


Tue May 7 2019 12:26 pm EST

I think the JD deal was done when he showed up for the 94 Cup ceremony. Why else would the President of another organization partake in that ceremony?

steve443c10


Tue May 7 2019 12:26 pm EST

I think the JD deal was done when he showed up for the 94 Cup ceremony. Why else would the President of another organization partake in that ceremony?

steve443c10


Tue May 7 2019 12:11 pm EST

And again, please understand. PANARIN at $6 Mil per season and I'm thrilled to have him. PANARIN at $8 Mil per season and I have reservations already. Because he isn't going to live up to that contract on the back half. PANARIN at $12 Mil per season???? Insanity. There isn't one second of that contract that he will live up to. And it will cripple them against the Cap for 7 or 8 years.

Vic


Tue May 7 2019 11:59 am EST

E: Some fair points about AK27.....BUT, he was the complete physical package. Not only did he have the insane skill level, he was big, strong, quick and fast. And AK27 had the ability to put a team on his back and will them to a win in a playoff elimination game. I know that because I watched him do it. PANARIN has never been that kind of player. We are going to have to agree to disagree on PANARIN because you obviously see him on an entirely different level then I do. And for the record I don't put GAURDEAU or KUCHEROV on that level either. STAMKOS was closer to that kind of player then KUCHEROV but he is past his prime now as well. Guys who can pile up points on strong offensive teams in the regular season don't impress me. Not enough to pay them $12 Mil a year just for that. I don't want another RICK NASH. I want guys that are better and harder to play against when the playoffs roll around. I want guys who can elevate from the way they played in the regular season, not disappear into the woodwork when you need them to carry the team the most. And again PANARIN is 28. He isn't going to do in the future what he can't already do.

Vic


Tue May 7 2019 11:40 am EST

Vic: if we were describing what Panarin is I disagree with the Kovalev assessment completely. If we are gonna use Russian players stylistically he is Datsyuk. If we were gonna talk his impact on the ice it’s more like Bure. Not that he’s as fast but he drives the offense completely from his position. We could go back and forth as to whether he is the RIGHT guy for the New York Rangers. That’s an argument. But this whole CENTERPIECE thing? Panarin is definitely not like Kovalev. Some underachieving winger who despite having some good seasons in PIT and MTL always left you with the impression that there was more to give. AK27 didn’t always give you the impression that goal scoring was as important as an exhibition on dangling. Panarin is not that guy. He has a laser trained eye on scoring. He never hesitates. He wants the puck on his stick and he constantly threatens you all over. He is more like OV8 than he is that. Sometimes I think we get off into the weeds with this stuff. I know I do. But Panarin is a franchise level player the likes of a Patrick Kane, Kucherov (who is peaking right now,) Gaudreau etc... he isn’t the guy next to the man, he IS the man. Now, we could get it about whether he’s the right move where the team is developmentally etc... but let’s not take the guy down a few pegs. He did have 2 rough outings defensively but the Bruins won that series because they have an offense that Columbus just can’t match. And because their PP is clicking off at close to 30%. Your margin of error can be as few as two penalties a night or you lose right now.

E


Tue May 7 2019 10:51 am EST

TRADE: I really don't have any idea what GORTON is thinking with respect to this year. After the draft and free agency period last year I think it was pretty clear what 2018-2019 was going to be about. I think we will know what 2019-2020 will be about by mid July at the latest. If GORTON wheels and deals at the draft trading away prospects and picks to bring in more established players, and then goes and gets PANARIN then no doubt they are looking to start trending back up next year. If GORTON wheels and deals at the draft to trade away guys like VESEY, STINKY, FAST, STROME, KREIDER, etc. for prospects and picks, and doesn't pursue any big dollar UFA guys then they are definitely looking at staying down through next year's draft. These next two months are going to be tough to sit and wait for but that is all we can do.

Vic


Tue May 7 2019 10:27 am EST

makes sense Vic.......do you think 2019-20 will be a year where the Rangers see what they got with all of these young kid, build the foundation of the house.... and call this Year #1 of moving forward? Obviously they must deal with Shatty, Staal and B. Smith for 2 more years.......but I would guess, and it has been mentioned here recently, the Rangers brass still have their eggs in both Shatty's and Staalsy's baskets for the next two years

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 10:14 am EST

TRADE: I agree that some work needs to be done on the right side. A lot will depend on FOX. If he is a superstar like TD predicts then maybe they have their #1 of the future in him. Also, a big factor in this is GORTON's time frame. If he is looking to have a #1 on the right side going into next season then they are going to have to make a move at the draft, in free agency or in and off-season trade. If he is planning a more slow and organic rise back up where they don't sell out tons of assets or Cap space to try to get there faster then he won't be going for a big name this off season. But again the Rangers already have 4 right side defenders going into next season. SHATTENKIRK has to go before you can even think of bringing in another significant contract either via trade or free agency for the right side. And then that will leave a decision to be made on PIONK/DeANGELO assuming FOX is in the lineup. So, there are a lot of possibilities but to me it has to start with getting rid of SHATTENKIRK and his contract. If he isn't moved I don't expect any other moves on the right side this year with the possible exception of one of PIONK or DeANGELO being moved.

Vic


Tue May 7 2019 9:34 am EST

trade: It's possible. Sather's retirement announcement came in April, well after the trade deadline. It's possible JD went along with the decision because he knew his contract is up this year and fighting it may have meant no renewal? I guess the real point is that we don't know how for vs against JD was on the decision to go all-in. To me it sounds like an ownership thing. The GM last night said he wasn't happy with 2 rounds because he believed they had a legitimate cup contender, which IMO is ridiculous. They've got some nice pieces but are frought with holes.

rf4L


Tue May 7 2019 9:20 am EST

Furthermore Vic............Rangers are in desperate need to upgrade the defense. Especially on the right side. There is no way you cannot see how defense has helped the Hurricanes in the post season. That team is not giant nor gritty......they just move the fuggin puck out of the D-zone and transition up ice so good.....Can we get a few scoops of that here in NYC? In other words.....look for defense upgrades with all these assets......does that mean Trouba? I don't know much about him but hopefully he aint no SHatty Daddy......So to make a short story long....I foresee the Rangers looking to upgrade the defense....especially RD #1

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 9:14 am EST

I do remember you saying that Vic.....also, RF4L....maybe JD just rode the decision out knowing that his contract was up at end of season. Did Sather announce his current plans before or after the trade deadline?

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 9:08 am EST

It seems implausible that the BJ all-in thing was strictly a JD decision. This decision involved the owner for sure. What we don't know is JD's position on it. He may have been against it but was over-ruled by the owner. However, if he was the driving force behind it (re convinced the owner) then I concur he doesn't deserve the Ranger role.

rf4L


Tue May 7 2019 9:03 am EST

TRADE: I said all of that about Columbus and JD's part in it months ago. What he did (or allowed to be done) should disqualify him from consideration as President of the Rangers.

Vic


Tue May 7 2019 9:02 am EST

STRANGER: KOVALEV is an EXCELLENT equivalent to a guy like PANARIN. Yes, they were a bit different as KOVALEV was a bigger, stronger PF. But both are tremendously talented hockey players that are fun to watch. Both do amazing things with the puck. But at the end of the day neither was the kind of guy you hold up as a Centerpiece of a team. A guy you blow out your team's Cap for and fill in around him. It won't work. You won't have the Cap space to resign your own players, trade for missing parts or sign UFA depth/veteran players (not to mention anything more then that).

Vic


Tue May 7 2019 8:55 am EST

Shoulda traded Bob to the dumb Leafs.....they needed a good goalie

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 8:46 am EST

Rhet but if they won , it would have been a good move. even though it's basically screwing the future for the present.

stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 8:43 am EST

Trade... I was mostly busting your balls, it was a NEIL SMITH-adjacent TYPE move :) The CBJ had never made it out of the first round of the playoffs, so I get the sense of urgency a bit, but they have seriously harmed their drafting ability for not only this year, but next year as well. Add to it that BOBO and PANARIN seem to have no interest in re-signing with the team and they have royally screwed themselves.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 8:42 am EST

“I’d like to clarify my statement because I feel it caused some unnecessary speculation,” Lundqvist wrote. “My thinking hasn’t changed. The organization and I are on the same page. “What I meant is that a player never becomes bigger or more important than an organization. While it is still my goal to win the Cup in New York before I retire, at the same time I understand as a player that I have to respect the position we are in and process we are going through.”..... https://nypost.com/2019/05/06/henrik-lundqvist-recommits-to-rangers-after-eye-opening-quote/

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 8:31 am EST

Rhet.....usually I am on the same page as you....but you cannot honestly think this was a Neil Smith type move? The BJs made these move with their BEST 2 players going to UFA right after the season.....Cmon ...you are smarter than this

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 7:15 am EST

Trade jd did a sather, that qualifies him for jimmyboy..... and the nyr might get panarin thanks in part to him. His gm put all his marbles in. If jd comes, the next president there will probably fire that gm ....I’ll take a “complimentary player” if the gm wants him. It’s better than some of the “insult players “ in the past. I want the gm to load his team for bear and the Cup. He’s in the hot seat here with his marbles.

Stevielegs


Tue May 7 2019 7:09 am EST

TRADE.... So you're dead set against them doing what NEIL SMITH did in 1994? ...President's usually oversee franchise operations, JD is a different animal.... This is from a NYI article, but it's eye-opening... https://www.lighthousehockey.com/2017/1/18/13829464/islanders-garth-snow-jack-capuano-what-does-a-team-president-do

Rhet0ric


Tue May 7 2019 6:40 am EST

is any one else concerned that JD allowed the Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekäläinen set that franchise back around 10 years with this years trades and not locking up Panarin and Bob? Maybe I am looking too much into this but what the heck is the tasks of a President?

tradestar28


Tue May 7 2019 5:14 am EST

Vic agree on Panarin being a complementary player and can't get paid as a cornerstone type. He is the Kovalev or Larmer, rather than the Messier or Leetch. Important player to have but still complementary.

NYStranger


Tue May 7 2019 12:37 am EST

Game 7 for Colorado.. Go Dallas, Go Avs!!

andrei


Mon May 6 2019 10:41 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello @RickCarpiniello ..... It is my understanding that CBJ president John Davidson is now eligible to be interviewed for the vacant #NYR president post and thus is the favorite to be hired as such.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 9:55 pm EST

I think Dallas wins tomorrow.....Blues will choke

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 9:43 pm EST

With the #2 lottery pick, WPG bowing out so quickly, and a couple of dogs getting to the conf finals, pretty sure our luck is done for this year. So, resigned that DAL will lose tomorrow and Zucc goes elsewhere. But, if I only could have one, I’d rather have DAL’s 1st next year. Worst it would be is 3 spots if they win the CUP in 2020. And I think the 2020 draft is deeper anyway. Plus, always a chance they bite it and miss the playoffs. One more ball in the lottery hopper never hurts.

Limbo


Mon May 6 2019 9:26 pm EST

RF4L: DUBOIS is the #1 guy I would want off of that roster.

Vic


Mon May 6 2019 9:20 pm EST

As for that Winnepeg pick, the best it can be is 19th now. It is up to Colorado to keep it there. If they lose to SJ in this series it will be 20th.

Vic


Mon May 6 2019 9:17 pm EST

RF4L and TRADE: Yep, I totally agree. Stay away from PANARIN!!! There is a lot of talent on that Columbus roster with PANARIN being the shinyest object. But he isn't a guy you pay $12 Mil a year to be the centerpiece of a Cup team. He just isn't. He is a complementary player on a Cup team. And you can't pay that kind of money to a complementary player.

Vic


Mon May 6 2019 9:17 pm EST

Bob: Jones for sure, but he won't be available. What a stud. Josh Anderson right behind him. Dubios next. Maybe Werenski. 4 nice players for sure.

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 9:15 pm EST

Rhet: And they are gonna lose Bobo, Panarin, Duchene and Dzingelberry. Yikes...

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 9:14 pm EST

So Columbus has no draft picks. Who do you want off their roster for one of the Rangers picks in round 1 or 2?

Bob


Mon May 6 2019 9:05 pm EST

The BLUE JACKETS only have a 3rd round pick and a 7th round pick(via Calgary) in the upcoming draft.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 9:01 pm EST

I got this annoying Boston teams fair-weather fan at work and he already has been gloating about two championships in the last half year. Gawd, no. The Bruins can not win the Cup.

NYStranger


Mon May 6 2019 8:59 pm EST

on a good note.....the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Celtics

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:57 pm EST

I was thinking he forgot it at the bus stop

NYStranger


Mon May 6 2019 8:56 pm EST

the Bruins told Fonzie to sit on it

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:54 pm EST

What happened to the talkerella guarantee?

Stevielegs


Mon May 6 2019 8:49 pm EST

u wanna sign a free agent? find the next Justin Williams in a few years.....I have been to all 5 of the Canes home playoff games ....sitting on top of the ice .....and JW is smart with the puck, has been clutch, and during the TV timeouts, he is giving the bench and team mates advice.....Veteran leadership when needed

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:48 pm EST

Panarin had 5 goals and 6 assists in 10 playoff games. Who was the last NYR to have numbers that good? Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 8:44 pm EST

hopefully JD doesn't try to sell Dolan on buying some stale fuckin bread

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:43 pm EST

**store=star

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:43 pm EST

.....and this is why u dont spill the jelly beans all over the floor for Panarin.....Game @ 1-0.....Critical need for a goal......2 consecutive power plays.......and nobody's home....I rather bank on KK or Kratsov to be that shining store.....Potentially both

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:34 pm EST

Goodnight CBJ. Was a pretty entertaining game until the Boston cheapshot. Gotta say this game reminds me of some Lundqvist backstopped Rangers playoff games of the past. Team stays in it, right there but just can't seem to get a big goal, then bam, he gives up a bad goal...game over.

NYStranger


Mon May 6 2019 8:34 pm EST

Time for Columbus to give McAvoy a receipt for that hit before the game is over. Nothing to lose now

Bob


Mon May 6 2019 8:32 pm EST

Bye bye BJs. PO bubble team at best amd now gone. Too bad.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:31 pm EST

that Torts press conference after this game is gonna be BRUTAL

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:30 pm EST

Yeah, that goal was awful.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 8:30 pm EST

Does this mean that JD will be the NYR president tomorrow?

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 8:29 pm EST

Bobo...shit goal.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:28 pm EST

Columbus Blow Johnsons

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 8:25 pm EST

The sad thing is that Anderson is going to have to shake the friggin guy’s Hand after the game.

Bob


Mon May 6 2019 8:17 pm EST

"Except for Bobo the BJs aren't very good. All those high picks for so many years and am acute lack of skill."

kitchen1


Mon May 6 2019 8:15 pm EST

Another dumb play that becomes a horrid turnover by Panarin.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:14 pm EST

Kitchensink...WTF are you talking about?

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:13 pm EST

Cam Atkinson sux. Totally invisible.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:11 pm EST

Kerry Fraser @kfraserthecall .... From a better angle I know the ref would have seen it as we did...and assessed a Match penalty. McEvoy will be suspended for this hit to the head.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 8:11 pm EST

Newf..re Chipmunk. Yes just like Torey Crud. Sickening. These punks will get their retribution when either they're traded or that ugly freak of nature retires.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:07 pm EST

Boy that McAvoy has turned into a little SHIT and always hiding under Chara's skirt.Hope he gets suspended ………….Panarin is more of a defensive liability than Brendan Smith for Christ's sake.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon May 6 2019 8:03 pm EST

Why the League is a joke..... per Tom Reed @treed1919 .... Jody Shelley, who’s working between the benches, just said in an interview broadcast throughout the building that the referees told the #CBJ bench that they didn’t see the hit.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 8:02 pm EST

RF4L......not very good?? Are you out of your fucking mind??

kitchen1


Mon May 6 2019 8:02 pm EST

Pushing a guy who falls down and hits his head gets you ejected. A clear shoulder to the haw gets you 2:00. Who is reffing, Mr. Jacob’s nephew?

Bob


Mon May 6 2019 7:56 pm EST

McAvoy's feet left the ice, not even close.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 7:55 pm EST

Buttman strokes Jacobs and Jacobs strokes Buttman. What a mickey mouse league.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 7:53 pm EST

WOW.... McAvoy hits Anderson in the jaw with his shoulder and get's a 2 minute minor. Even the NBC guys are saying it should be a major/game misconduct..

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 7:48 pm EST

its like Edgar G Robinson in the Ten Commandments......."Where's your Bread Man Noowwwwww.??????"

tradestar28


Mon May 6 2019 7:16 pm EST

Panarin....stay the phuck away.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 6:54 pm EST

Ah, TD CHI, the difference is that I saw/see/wanted BOUCHARD for 1st/2nd pairing, and MORITZ SEIDER for 3rd pair... SEIDER should be NHL material after 2 more seasons which coincides with the expansion draft.

mf


Mon May 6 2019 6:50 pm EST

Except for Bobo the BJs aren't very good. All those high picks for so many years and am acute lack of skill.

RF4l


Mon May 6 2019 6:48 pm EST

Break out the Accordian for a trip down memory lane ??

mf


Mon May 6 2019 6:32 pm EST

Rhet: You made me think about a different comparison to Vanbiesbrouk and Richter from my younger days - Giacomin and Villemure. Different era (Original 6). And, although they never won a Cup together, they shared the Vezina and were arguably the best tandem in that era.....

Ranger47


Mon May 6 2019 6:31 pm EST

Good call on the goal reversal.

RF73


Mon May 6 2019 6:29 pm EST

TD.... We're going to trade the 23 year old goaltender just to keep around the 38 year old goaltender for a couple more years? That makes perfect sense to me.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 6:25 pm EST

BOB... I'm no fan of BISHOP and he does indeed embellish a lot... that said, the whistle should've been blown before the goal or after they scored. He usually flops around to draw a penalty, but there was no endgame for him embellishing being down on the ice. All he had to do was get up off the ice and they never would've scored. Add to it, that the area he got hit has very little padding for goalies. Plus, it looked like a ref was going to call time due to the injury but then he stuffed his whistle in his pocket as soon as the BLUES scored. IMO, it's just more awful refereeing in the playoffs.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 6:02 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Here's my logic: There just ain't enough spots for all the tenders we have...Even taking for granted that HALVERSIEVE and NELL are gone, they're going to have HUSKA in Hartford...SHESTYORKIN may start in Hartford, but TBH, I'm not necessarily sure that's a good place for him to start...And they're not moving LUNDQVIST...and on top of all of that, they still have Tyler WALL who is expected to sign next spring, and Olaf LINDBOM who will probably be coming over next year...so if we can use GEORGIEV to improve another part of the lineup, why not? I could see at least the Sabres looking for a starter...and maybe the Oilers too, with KOSKINEN kind of a question mark...but to be perfectly clear, I'm not saying we should give Georgiev away...or that we should even move him unless its for the type of deal that lands us in that 7th through 10th spot in June...Just spitballing here...but if I were to hedge my bets, I would say Georgy ends up splitting time with HANK, Shesty starts in Hartford and then by the deadline, Georgy is moved.

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 5:45 pm EST

Moritz SEIDER, mf's new Evan BOUCHARD ;)

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 5:09 pm EST

TD.... Why exactly should we trade GEORGIEV? He and Shesterkin have the potential t be the greatest tandem we've had since VANBIESBROUCK/RICHTER, perhaps even better.... back then, we were forced to trade VBK for nothing due to that expansion draft. At least today, we wont be forced to either deal GEO or lose him for nothing..

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 4:24 pm EST

puckyou - I had mused a few weeks back that the Rangers should perhaps think about moving KREIDER and GEORGIEV to the Sabres or Oilers for the 8th or 9th and a prospect...sort of a repeat of the STEPAN trade...and I would bet my bottom dollar that either/or would make that deal...Kreider with EICHEL or McJESUS would be scary good...and then the Rangers could up their toughness factor by nabbing ZEGRAS. He really is a player that, I’d say, really fits the mold of what DQ is trying to establish...it’d be a HUGE gutpunch to lose KREIDER, but if the team is poised to do with him what they’ve done with all their other pending UFAs, then it’d really be a good deal for them. ZEGRAS is off to BU next year and is probably a couple years away from the NHL...but if they could land NYLANDER or PULJUJARVI also...wow...but outside of trading KREIDER, I don’t see how we land a pick that would get us up that high in the draft after our first pick. Could try to package the 18th-20th with a lesser player like VESEY, but I doubt that’d work.

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 4:24 pm EST

puckyou - I had mused a few weeks back that the Rangers should perhaps think about moving KREIDER and GEORGIEV to the Sabres or Oilers for the 8th or 9th and a prospect...sort of a repeat of the STEPAN trade...and I would bet my bottom dollar that either/or would make that deal...Kreider with EICHEL or McJESUS would be scary good...and then the Rangers could up their toughness factor by nabbing ZEGRAS. He really is a player that, I’d say, really fits the mold of what DQ is trying to establish...it’d be a HUGE gutpunch to lose KREIDER, but if the team is poised to do with him what they’ve done with all their other pending UFAs, then it’d really be a good deal for them. ZEGRAS is off to BU next year and is probably a couple years away from the NHL...but if they could land NYLANDER or PULJUJARVI also...wow...but outside of trading KREIDER, I don’t see how we land a pick that would get us up that high in the draft after our first pick. Could try to package the 18th-20th with a lesser player like VESEY, but I doubt that’d work.

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 3:47 pm EST

Puck: whatever makes you guys happy with our Second 1st round pick is fine by me.... And with the Third 1st round pick, please get me some MORITZ SEIDER..... Maybe TRADESTAR28 can interpret for us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfELvRqXnbM

mf


Mon May 6 2019 3:12 pm EST

schneidw - I’ve mentioned KALIYEV a few times and I’d be absolutely tickled with him at wherever the Jets pick lands. I don’t believe, however, that he’ll drop below 15 or 16. The initial rankings had him going 20th-25th. But after his monster season in Hamilton, I don’t think that’s an option anymore. Would be a real toss up for me if him and LAVOIE are on the board when the Rangers grab their second pick.

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 2:46 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/sharpshooting-arthur-kaliyev-is-just-getting-started-in-hamilton

schneidw


Mon May 6 2019 2:45 pm EST

SLEEPER PICK for late 1st round??? 13. Arthur Kaliyev — LW, Hamilton Bulldogs, 6-foot-2 Here’s the full list of under-18 CHL forwards who’ve scored 50 goals in the last decade: Jeff Skinner, Alex DeBrincat, Arthur Kaliyev. Nobody in the QMJHL (though Nik Ehlers came close with 49 goals in 2014) or the WHL has done it. It’s been a long time since Patrick Marleau did it in 1997, or even since Sidney Crosby did it in 2004. That’s some kind of company. Skinner went seventh overall and posted 63 points as a rookie with the Carolina Hurricanes the following season. DeBrincat fell to 39th overall due, returned to junior and eventually emerged with a 52-point rookie season of his own. Now he’s a 40-goal scorer in the NHL and the teams that passed on him regret it. Though Kaliyev’s skill set places him as the least talented of those three players, concerns about his skating and spotty defensive play shouldn’t be enough to push him much lower than the late teens in this draft. His one-timer will make him a threat at any level and he’s not a one-trick pony, either (I actually really liked the way he opened up his game as a passer this season, something I was worried he wouldn’t be able to do after watching him as a rookie). He’s going to prove some doubters wrong. The late birthday (June 26, 2001) doesn’t hurt either

schneidw


Mon May 6 2019 2:21 pm EST

Hanky is fairly honest when asked a question. what the gm needs to do is the question. ...assvipe is probably begging his gm to call... is his staff called the french connection redux ?

stevielegs


Mon May 6 2019 1:52 pm EST

Philadelphia Flyers ‏ Verified account @NHLFlyers Follow Follow @NHLFlyers More OFFICIAL: The #Flyers have hired Michel Therrien and Mike Yeo to serve as assistant coaches on head coach Alain Vigneault's staff.

RDW


Mon May 6 2019 1:47 pm EST

MF-I'm a buyer of Zegras too. My buddy's kid played with him at Mid-Fairfield-he's slated to go top 10 I think

puckyou


Mon May 6 2019 1:45 pm EST

I’m sure he’ll claim he was misquoted..... “I DON’T KNOW IF I’LL STAY WITH THE RANGERS MY ENTIRE CAREER,” LUNDQVIST SAID. “IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY GOAL TO STAY WITH THE RANGERS, BUT ONCE YOU GET UP THERE IN AGE YOU NEVER KNOW. I KNOW WHAT I WANT, BUT IF THE CLUB HAS OTHER IDEAS I KNOW I’LL HAVE TO LISTEN. YOU CAN’T JUST DO YOUR OWN THING.”

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 1:40 pm EST

Per Don Rena.... “I don’t know if I’ll stay with the Rangers my entire career” - Henrik Lundqvist #NYR..... https://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/06/new-york-rangers-news-henrik-lundqvist-is-unsure-of-his-future-on-broadway/amp/?p=292903&__twitter_impression=true

Rhet0ric


Mon May 6 2019 1:35 pm EST

Yes

Ranger47


Mon May 6 2019 1:20 pm EST

ranger47: You mean February 2021?

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 1:04 pm EST

I have said before and continue to believe that Henrik will be here this season and then accept a trade at the deadline the following year so that he gets a shot at the Cup but only has to be away from NY for several months.

Ranger47


Mon May 6 2019 1:03 pm EST

Hospo: Yes, that's certainly a profound relevation, isn't it? If it's true, wow and I gotta think it's not come out of the blue from him. In other words (again if it's true he said that) dialogue between his camp and the Rangers on this subject has already taken place. Perhaps on the exit interviews, Gorton broached the subject. I know what I'd have done if I was the GM - non-aggressively during the review of the season for Lundqvist and where the Rangers are now and in the near future that includes the play of Geo and pending arrival of Shestyorkin where does he envision fitting in? Is he okay with reduced games because that's surely what he's facing. If Geo and/or Shest sparkle in camp, how can the team place them on the backburner so a 37 year old goalie can play 65 games? It's illogical. Furthermore, while the hope is the team will battle next year for a PO spot, there's zero guarantee they'l accomplish that and if they do, it's likely they won't go far. The King's only missing feather isn't about to be realized next year. However, if he is willing to accept a trade to a contender, Gorton can and will explore that, keeping in the loop of course, the King along the way so no surprises will be forthcoming. If that's what happened and the King is (finally) accepting that idea, woo-hoo. That doesn't mean, however, a trade will be made - the Rangers will have to eat salary and the number of cup contenders seeking a number 1 goalie aren't exactly abundant.

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 12:26 pm EST

Great: HUGHS / COCKO, ""ZEGRAS,"" MORTITZ SEIDER...... That's a Tri-Fecta I can live with.....

mf


Mon May 6 2019 12:25 pm EST

Great: HUGHS / COCKO, LAVOIE, MORTITZ SEIDER...... That's a Tri-Fecta I can live with.....

mf


Mon May 6 2019 12:06 pm EST

Hospo - if that's a legit quote, it's pretty much a bombshell! Definitely seems like he'd be open to a trade to the right(i.e; Cup contending) team. Wow!

JFC31


Mon May 6 2019 12:01 pm EST

I'd love to see the Rangers try to move up in the draft and got after this kid Zegras....he's a great combo for us, very physical but also a great playmaker. Imagine him feeding one-timers to Kakko for the next 10 years!. Zegras might be available somewhere between 10 & 15 so it's doable.

JFC31


Mon May 6 2019 11:55 am EST

And, yes, that was a New York Post-like exagerrated headline!

Hospo


Mon May 6 2019 11:54 am EST

The King to be overthrown??..OK, I have no clue about the legitamcy of any of this reporting/translation, but it should be music to the ears of quite a few on here.......https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/henrik-lundqvist-may-not-be-a-new-york-ranger-for-much-longer?fbclid=IwAR3l6stskMMgYcsCqLRAPJdeoYyFvy0ZICUGRDn7danGmbjOpyecQkMTrmo

Hospo


Mon May 6 2019 10:32 am EST

Re: LAVOIE - I know he’s had a beast of a playoffs...but I simply don’t see him going any higher than mid-round. There are just too many safe bets out there...and bottom line is when you have a safe bet verses a guy who already has somewhat of a repmfor underachieving...the latter will drop. We saw that last year with Bode WILDE. He probably should have gone in the top 20. Definitely the first round. But questions about his personality dropped him to the second round...I could see the same thing happening with LAVOIE. Then again, I also could see him going 15 or 16. If he’s on the board though...and depending on who else is there, I’d say he’s worth the risk.

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 10:24 am EST

LOL - Tortorella ‘guaranteeing’ a game 7. Holy schnikies I’m so sick of NHLers/coaches issuing these proclamations...and then getting credit for them...like whopty-fucking-do...your “guarantee” is merely a safe bet...50-50 chance of being right or wrong...and if you’re right, you’re hailed as some sort of awesome leader...and if you’re wrong, nobody gives a rat’s ass....like LEHNER guaranteeing the series would come back to Long Island...ummm....OK bud...well nobody called him out in it...why? Because even dipshit tactless talentless assclowns like Larry Brooks generally have the courtesy to not rub salt in an open wound...

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 10:17 am EST

RF4L - I really wish the Rangers could yank BRACCO off the Leafs. I think the kid breaks into the NHL next year in a big way. Undersized, but definitely skilled. Great player. Part of me wonders if we could land him and MARLEAU for a pick and a low-end prospect...say GROPP...I’m pretty sure MARLEAU has played his last game as a Leaf...only question is whether he wants to end his career where it began or whether he’d be amenable to a trade to the East Coast. I’m almost positive that they will divest themselves of him. Question is, will they pay someone like BRACCO to do it? BRACCO, incidentally, is another Long Island boy. Was on the gold medal winning WJC team with FOX. He’d be a huge add, IMO.

tdchi


Mon May 6 2019 10:01 am EST

CM: Sorry, yes you are correct.

Vic


Mon May 6 2019 9:55 am EST

VIC- Dallas is 3-3, so tomorrow is Game 7.So the Avs and the Blue Jackets have to win tonight to force game 7, but I felt a lot better about all three series until the last game of each.

ColoradoMark


Mon May 6 2019 9:37 am EST

So, coming into the second round we were rooting for all 4 underdogs to help the Rangers draft position as much as possible. One of those dogs has moved on but the other 3 are all down 3 games to 2 heading into game 6 at home. I wish they were all up 3 games to 2 but it is what it is. Hopefully if only one of them is going to pull out a comeback and series win it will be Dallas. But at this point it wouldn't surprise me if all 3 lost. I do know that my interest has been waning since the end of the first round. I've been most focused on Dallas as that is the only series I find that I have the energy to really watch. I hate Boston and have strong dislike for St. Louis and San Jose. So if Dallas, Colorado and Columbus all get eliminated I doubt I will watch much if any of the rest of the playoffs. Oh well......6 weeks to go until the draft. It can't get here soon enough....

Vic


Mon May 6 2019 8:31 am EST

I get the 2 concerns Wheeler expresses about Lavoie. They are: 1) His inconsistency in terms of drive 2) The fact that he's bigger than most of his peers and can, for the most part, drive through them to make plays. It's guys like him who make the job of talent evaluation so difficult. Can he learn to be more consistent? How will he react when he turns pro and that size/strength advantage he has as a junior is negated to a certain degree because he's playing against men? On the latter, some kids depend on it so much, they cannot overcome being neutralized and never develop.

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 8:10 am EST

The 2 scouting reports I just posted are from an article just posted on the Athletic by Scott Wheeler - his top 100. He has Lavoie at 24th meaning if accurate he'll be around when the Jets pick comes up. Here's what he said about the kid (and it reiterates a lot of what I've previously read): "I spent most of this draft year admittedly sour on Lavoie’s game. He’s one of the oldest players in the draft, he’s one of the biggest players in the draft, he has the talent needed to be an unstoppable force at the junior level and yet that just never materialized … until the QMJHL playoffs. Lavoie threw the Mooseheads over his shoulders and dragged them into their final against the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies by racking up a QMJHL-leading 17 goals and 27 points through 17 games in the first three rounds. His nearest Halifax teammate, Ducks second-round pick Antoine Morand, had 12 fewer points during that 17-game stretch. That’s insane. The biggest challenge with Lavoie is differentiating between how much of it is skill and how much of it is a combination of the fact that he’s nearly a year older than some of the other players on this list (he’ll be 19 during his first NHL training camp) and boasts an overwhelming physical dominance. Increasingly, though, his skill has begun to shine through. He gets to the net at will and he has the ability to finish plays in tight by pounding home rebounds or using some impressive stick handling to beat goalies with a deke."

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 7:05 am EST

I doubt this kid will be around when the Jets pick arrives but if he is, wow, select him: The thing about a lot of players who can burn defenders wide with explosive speed is that that speed can often work against them. They begin to rely on it and their instinct is to just turn on the jets whenever the puck hits their stick. For many players, that speed forces them wide into areas of the ice where offence is hard to come by. It was my biggest criticism of Devils draftee Michael McLeod. A skill only takes you as far as your know-how. You need to be able to use it. Alex Newhook has that speed but his brilliance is that he seldom wastes it. He knows when to pull up and find the trailer. He knows when to cut under the defender and drive the net. And he knows when to slow things down. But when the opportunity is there to burn wide or use his release at top speed (which he does effortlessly), Newhook will take it. He’s electric and fearless.

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 6:57 am EST

Given the incredible under 18 tourney Hughes just had you gotta figure it's a lock that NJ picks him. Therefore, another nice blurb on KK: "Kakko is that rare blend of power and creativity. He can use his strong, extended stride to build momentum and drop his shoulder to drive the net but he can also feign the net-drive play only to make a deft pass to a teammate. Kakko is also lethal from the right-wing circle (where TPS used him on the power play) and gets low to leverage his one-timer and extend through pucks, which gives him a different kind of game-breaking talent than Hughes, even when he’s not playing well. Both of his final two goals of the playoffs came from that spot."

rF4l


Mon May 6 2019 5:31 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 12h12 hours ago Brady is going to keep us updated while at #MensWorlds with regular updates on his journey with @USAHockey. Check out his first entry where he talks about getting to play with Kreids and new #NYR Adam Fox plus what he thinks of #TeamUSA's chances.

stevielegs


Sun May 5 2019 10:09 pm EST

Here is the reason the refs made the right call on the Bishop play........the guy embellishes every time anyone comes near him, even though he is 6’7. What if he was doing just that on that play? How is the ref supposed to,tell that quickly?

Bob


Sun May 5 2019 5:44 pm EST

Kerry Fraser @kfraserthecall .... Honestly, this wasn’t a Bang-Bang play on shot & rebound into the net when Bishop hit on collarbone. Ref’s discretion, based on seriousness of potential injury could have killed the play when puck was loose up high until STL regained possession. With Bishop still down; whistle?

Rhet0ric


Sun May 5 2019 5:15 pm EST

STARS lose 4-1 and will probably lose the series. I'm not a doctor, but BISHOP looked like he may have had a collar bone issue. If so, it's highly unlikely he plays in game 7.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 5 2019 4:51 pm EST

BOB... The third goal wasn't BISHOP's fault. He was down on the ice and writhing in pain and play was allowed to continue and the BLUES scored while he was down on the ice because they kept control of the puck. That is a B.S. rule and needs to be changed. Now, what was BISHOP's fault is that he stayed in the game while he wasn't 100% and gave up the fourth goal. I also blame the Head Coach for that one, he should've been taken out of the game right then and there. Though if it was us and HANK, we probably would've done the same exact thing.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 5 2019 4:36 pm EST

This is why you don't celebrate too early. STARS now down 4-1 and Bishop is out of the game. Not looking too good for that pick.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 5 2019 4:32 pm EST

Ben Bishop has always gagged in the big spots. Today is just the latest example.

Bob


Sun May 5 2019 4:27 pm EST

Benn missed an open net just before the Blues' 2nd goal on a pretty set-up by the Finnish dman for Dallas.

rF4l


Sun May 5 2019 4:26 pm EST

3 1 St Louis in the 3rd. Going back to St Louis where the Blues will likely prevail. Oh well I figured it was really too good to be true (3 firsts again). Hope, then, MZA signs with the Stars!

rF4l


Sun May 5 2019 4:25 pm EST

What a shot

Jake0104


Sun May 5 2019 4:24 pm EST

stevie: What I recall was criticism on here for MZA early in the year because he basically stunk. He was in funk because he knew he was going to be traded and then after admitting that was indeed the case, he started to play well. I don't recall folks calling him washed up, although perhaps 1 or 2 did. He was traded because he's a pending UFA, just like Hayes and the 3 guys last year and the Rangers are rebuilding. To me it's pretty straight forward. What is up for debate now it seems is whether or not he'll be back. My guess is no FWIW.

rF4l


Sun May 5 2019 3:57 pm EST

Rf4l I cannot go back and find it but there were plenty who wanted him traded especially when he was in a slump. Even after he came back to his regular play, his name was trade don’t resign for any price . He’s over 30 , he has to go. I’m not making it up or exaggerating. But there’s hardly a nyr that someone here hasn’t said get rid of him, besides maybe some youngsters.

Stevielegs


Sun May 5 2019 3:51 pm EST

Stevie...who on here said MZA was washed up?

RF4l


Sun May 5 2019 3:43 pm EST

I want Zucc back. Gorts make it happen but Zucc now see life without state taxes. Which is hard to beat

Jake0104


Sun May 5 2019 3:27 pm EST

Cm hopefully he wants to come back at a home team discount.

stevielegs


Sun May 5 2019 3:25 pm EST

Stevie- And it doesn’t look like he’s killing the Stars with his Defensive warts, either!

ColoradoMark


Sun May 5 2019 3:12 pm EST

zucchini keeps proving he's not washed up like some here think.

stevielegs


Sun May 5 2019 2:53 pm EST

Zucc with another point -7 . Please give us 2 more number 1 picks Zucc!

Puckyou


Sun May 5 2019 2:34 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 27m27 minutes ago More Filip Chytil has officially been named to the Czech Republic's roster for the 2019 IIHF World Championship. #NYR

RDW


Sun May 5 2019 1:52 pm EST

Blame Bobovsky and Panarin on the 4th Bruins goal. Thought Bobovsky had a bad game Bruins damn it to the finals

Jake0104


Sun May 5 2019 12:33 pm EST

I can't stand the Bruins, like many here it goes waaay back, so lets go CBJ.... BACKES made his way back into the line-up and has recorded two helpers for Boston........ Other than that, Let's Go Dallas......... OAN, I can't see EDM trading DRAISAITL.... I could see them offering KLEFBOM OR LARSSON in a trade for Toronto's NYLANDER.... but I don't see them trading DRAISAITL

mf


Sun May 5 2019 10:54 am EST

Does this mean that Holland will have agreed to keep Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish as assistants? Will things EVER change in Edmonton? His first move should be to try to get a huge haul and move Draisaitl. Kreider, Georgiev, Skjei, Andersson would be a place to start the bidding. LOL!

Bob


Sun May 5 2019 10:29 am EST

The Edmonton Oilers are expected to name Ken Holland as the team's new general manager in the coming days, according to a report from TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger.

Stevielegs


Sun May 5 2019 10:19 am EST

Give me a Dallas win today And I don’t care who wins the cup...........except for Boston, who I could never pull for.

Bob


Sun May 5 2019 8:55 am EST

William Nylander: I have seen nothing from him to justify the salary... TOR should have traded him when he held out... he is redundant and not fully utilized in their lineup...

schneidw


Sun May 5 2019 8:54 am EST

I think I am going to return to planet earth after watching Panarin during the last 10 minutes last night. Some out of nowhere team is gonna step up and offer him some insane 100 mil contract anyway.

shonuff


Sun May 5 2019 8:54 am EST

BTW, I sure hope Gorton is looking at what Dubious has done in Toronto - the PO experience these young players are getting is invaluable. Turn the Pack around!

rF4l


Sun May 5 2019 8:53 am EST

TD: One of the guys you talk about on here frequently Jeremy Bracco is having a tremendous season with the Toronto Marlies. 79 regular season points which put him 2nd overall in league scoring and now he's helping the Marlies in their defense of the Calder Cup. 10 points in 5 PO games.

rF4l


Sun May 5 2019 8:05 am EST

FWIW, I think it'll end up being a regrettable move if the Rangers sign Panarin long term and to huge $$. I am wondering how much reality is behind this anyways.

rF4l


Sun May 5 2019 6:41 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/05/05/who-are-the-hall-of-famers-in-this-seasons-nhl-playoffs/

Stevielegs


Sat May 4 2019 10:04 pm EST

Panarin = 6 years @ $9.5MM.....not a penny more....let the schmuck and his agent call Chicago if he wants more bread

tradestar28


Sat May 4 2019 9:56 pm EST

NC....exactly,my point. I don't think it's in his DNA. I truly believe that there is a big difference (even at this level) in a "goal scorer" and a "hockey player"......Mr. Laine prime example.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat May 4 2019 9:14 pm EST

Can’t deny Panarin made two critical mistakes there. Hell of an assist in the 3rd, but man sometimes you have to have some understanding of your place in the game. A minute and change to go, your team just tied it up and has some momentum...a simple dump in will suffice if nothing else is there. KISS

NCRanger


Sat May 4 2019 9:03 pm EST

Panarin gives up the puck AGAIN at his own blue causing an odd man rush that leads to a goal AGAIN. Just sayin'.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat May 4 2019 8:53 pm EST

surprised

Wildcard


Sat May 4 2019 8:53 pm EST

CBus woke up....they have done that these playoffs quiet a bit.....I can't say I am supposed that they have tied this game up.

Wildcard


Sat May 4 2019 8:48 pm EST

Holy crap ..what a wild 4 minutes!

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 8:28 pm EST

Bobrovsky has been incredible. Too bad the rest of his team hasn’t showed up and can’t pot any goals. Damn CLB looks completely off. Stupid decision but Torts to go with 7 D. What the hell is wrong with these Boston coaches going with 7 D. Feel bad for Bob...someone, cough cough Florida, is going to get themselves a hell of a goalie this summer.

NCRanger


Sat May 4 2019 8:16 pm EST

These stupid horse races are the most annoying sporting event down here. 8 hours of gibberish and rich people in clown suits and garish hats sipping freaking Mint Juleps (the WORST drink out there) that cost up to $2500.. Then the whole thing gets effed up, runs over and we mis 6 minutes of the game so we can watch stupid commercials that they did not get in while waiting for a 15 minute video review.

Bob


Sat May 4 2019 8:10 pm EST

Newf. Easy. American TV contract. Hockey is slightly ahead of tweedly-winks in US TV viewership. Not a slight on our American friends who love and appreciate the sport. Just the way it is.

RF4l


Sat May 4 2019 7:32 pm EST

Columbus is looking like a team that is done so far in this game.

Bob


Sat May 4 2019 7:07 pm EST

HOSPO: on the good side, the CBJ are a pretty hard hitting team with a lot of blue line mobility. And that’s my formula. Finally, we seem to have some of the personnel, prospects, the coach seems to be on board with the same philosophy. I don’t want anyone screwing with the blueprint.

E


Sat May 4 2019 6:42 pm EST

After review in the War Room in Toronto, Maximum Security was given 5:00 for interference and a game misconduct, and the horse that finished second declared the winner.

Bob


Sat May 4 2019 6:28 pm EST

Can someone please explain to me how a late Kentucky Derby caused a delay in the start of an NHL Play-off game ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sat May 4 2019 2:48 pm EST

Count me in with the crowd who's a tad reserved on the JD stroking. I am assuming the best thing about JD is he will be aligned to what is underway currently but is that a safe assumption? I've no idea. I do believe that if say Yzerman had come aboard, Gorton's authority would have been lessened, probably considerably. It does seem that JD lets the GM be the GM, which is as crucial as the owner letting the president be the president. I also would prefer JD over Messier - the latter has no experience and an enormous ego which is usually a volatile mix.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 2:48 pm EST

Hospo: I think the last MSG President in charge of hickey operations was Isiah Thomas if I'm not mistaken.... :)

Ranger47


Sat May 4 2019 12:35 pm EST

E - we obviously want the same thinbg..but to think that the President of all hickey operations doesn't have an impact would be short-sighted..Hopefully, any option they are conisdering would take or contiie on the same course..but.. they mught have different ideas about time table..We'll see

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 12:15 pm EST

let's hope Button knows what he is talking about...https://www.tsn.ca/russian-wingers-top-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1241872

pete


Sat May 4 2019 12:06 pm EST

HOSPO: Honestly, I could care less about who is President. As long as the current philosophy continues. Big, fast, and physical. That’s what they seem to be looking for and that’s how they’re building their team. A friend of mine pointed out to me (who has seen a lot of Kakko) that a line with Chris Krieder, Zib, and Kakko would just be a handful to deal with. 3 big boys who can skate with skill.

E


Sat May 4 2019 12:02 pm EST

Bob: there is an outside chance Pavelski is gonna come back so... SJ is certainly deeper and the Av’s defense looks AHL worthy compared to SJ. But with the Av’s the old adage that the best defense is a good offense holds true. They seem to be getting pucks behind the net and Landeskog and Rantenan are dominant behind the net. I like the Av’s a lot. I don’t think they’re deep enough to win a cup but if they get past SJ and into say Dallas? I don’t know... they maybe one of the most unlikely teams to get to a SCF in a long time. Pressure is all in SJ now. It’s cup or bust for them. They might throw in the towel if it doesn’t happen and rebuild. You only get so many shots at the cup. And SJ is not short in the tooth.

E


Sat May 4 2019 12:01 pm EST

Hospo: I'm not 100% enamored with JD either, but it sure sounds like he's their choice. So, IMHO the sooner he's here and involved in the future plans, the better. Don't want conflicting direction from management during the rebuild.

Ranger47


Sat May 4 2019 11:43 am EST

schneidw - that was no TD-length post, I think you meant Despo!

LeoS


Sat May 4 2019 11:03 am EST

My cut and paste of the CARP article on NYR prospects below is nearly as long and verbose and one of TDICHI's posts... LOL!

schneidw


Sat May 4 2019 10:45 am EST

E—-I lobe Colorado......has season tickets there during the cup years. MacKinnon is top 3 in the league. However, I think San Jose beats them because your new man, EK is rounding into form. He was terrific in the last game. He keeps that up and I think the cup could come to SAP Center. They have everything else and with Jones now playing like he is not a sieve, they are very strong. If they get to the finals and end up against Boston I will be pulling hard for them. I despise Boston.......something that goes back to the 70’s.

Bob


Sat May 4 2019 10:44 am EST

My prediction? No offer sheets. By any team. Offer sheets excite 2 groups: The media and the fans. GMs aren't interested because 9 x out 10 (if not more) all it accomplishes is driving up salaries of top end players. Why? Because in almost every instance the team with the player matches. In addition, if you do it because you believe the other team can't do cap wise (and indeed don't match) you've just pissed off royally at least 1 GM and probably multiple GMs who aren't going to play nice with you going forward.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 10:39 am EST

I don’t see the New York Rangers dropping an offer sheet. The cost is too obscene and draft picks as currency is too much. I would expect them to try to sort out the defense a little and I think they’ll be all the way in on Breadman. Other than that? I think, for as much as they’d like to make some moves, the trade floor to me in recent years has been far more about hype that never happens. A lot of roads go thru the New York Rangers because they literally are sitting beautifully on a pile of great stuff. Tons of good picks. Tons of cap space. And some decent assets that may be willing to part with in the right situation. For one time in the franchise history in my life on the draft floor the New York Rangers will be in an enviable position. Even if nothing else can happen this will be the summer of Fox and Kakko. And in my hopes Panarin. When you consider the arrival of the new Jesus in Shesterkin (poor guy) and Krapshoot? As well as the emergence of Buchnevich? Itll be all about excitement going into next season. That sounds like a team on paper that’s gonna be a 5-8 seed. Maybe 1 and done but nevertheless the optimistic bell will be rung. Forget Cheeto and Lias as well. Obviously not everything will work out but played right? I’ll start giving Gorton some faith that he actually can deliver on a rebuild.

E


Sat May 4 2019 10:24 am EST

TD: the line that scares me the most is Colorado’s top line. Holy crap do you notice them every shift. It’s like they’re just playing keep away sometimes. Super skilled center and Rantenan who is also a fiend and Landeskog who excels at getting to the net. They are as complete a line as you will find. But, if you shut down that line, you shut down the Av’s. Kerfoot, Soderberg aren’t nearly as intimidating.

E


Sat May 4 2019 10:23 am EST

IB @incarceratedbob .... **UPDATED NHL RUMORS** Source: “High probability William Nylander gets dealt this summer” seems like #Leafs already put word out around league he’s very available if they can find match. #IB

Rhet0ric


Sat May 4 2019 10:20 am EST

andrei - I agree, it's VERY unlikely the Rangers offersheet anyone...but they could very easily do another deal with Carolina to get that conditional pick back. So at the draft table, they could trade VESEY for the conditional pick and...say...SAARELA. Boom. Offer sheet back on the table. So the FOX deal become FOX and SAARELA for VESEY and second rounder...then the Rangers could offer-sheet POINT for $8 million and pay up with a first, second and third.

tdchi


Sat May 4 2019 10:09 am EST

re: Tampa - I said this before and I'll say it again...Their fortunes died with the HEDMAN injury a month earlier. He was never the same after that collision. I will give Columbus credit: They came together at the right time...but realistically speaking, with DUCHENE and DZINGEL, they went from probably a fifth or sixth seed in the east to easily the third or fourth...couple that too with the inter-turmoil with BOBROVSKY and PANARIN facing the possibility of deadline trades...I frankly don't think there was anything wrong with Tampa...they just faced a very formidable opponent down one of their top soldiers.

tdchi


Sat May 4 2019 10:01 am EST

RF4L - I'm not sure how much of the Bruins-Jackets series you've watched, but the Jackets most certainly have the edge at this point. The Bruins, as much as no one here will like to admit, are a VERY tough squad. They have battle-hardened vets throughout the lineup...they have one of the best centers in the league...and they have young legs. Between McAVOY and KRUG, their defense is like a fourth arm of the offense...So basically, it's a coin toss on any given day. Even the loss on Thursday was close. Bruins took the first, Jackets came back hard...and then everything went to pot in the third...Key to the series, really, is whether MARCHAND-BERGERON-PASTRNAK can get going...this is arguably the best line in the NHL...and the Jackets held them to something like a point in the first three games...if they can stifle them for another two, this series is over...but were I to call it right now, I'd say the Jackets look like the better team and I'd be surprised if they don't advance.

tdchi


Sat May 4 2019 9:53 am EST

re: ZUCC - An ALMOST fair price for ZUCC would have been what we got for HAYES: A late round first and a mid-level prospect. The Stars got one fucking HELL of a deal landing him for the conditions they did. Basically, if ZUCC came as-advertised, he'd get us a first...and if he stayed, he'd be worth another first...that is a fair price to pay for a guy with his offensive skill, who makes everyone on his line better and who gives 110 percent every shift. On top of all of that, this is a guy with 70 plus games of post-season experience who has a very cap-friendly contract. Simply put, ZUCC is worth his weight in gold. And I take a personal affront to the Ranger fans who simply can recognized this...but I digress...Even if the Stars end up losing two first rounders, they will have gotten a deal and a half. They got a guy who you WANT your young players around...He's got an infectious attitude and you can tell he wants to win. There's not an ounce of quit in that guy...and that's one of the main reasons I really didn't want to lose him even for a pair of first rounders...I'm also not ready to count the money on the table...the Stars-Blues are very VERY evenly matched and this series can go either way...but the REAL win for the Rangers will be if the Stars can win a berth to the conference finals and then return to New York to be the positive influence he is to the youngsters.

tdchi


Sat May 4 2019 9:46 am EST

Ranger47 _ i'' be hinest, I want nothig to do with JD..well, unless they in the CUp..:)..And if there is any possibility of RFA offer sheets, why not bring in the balckballed Neil Smith for a short run to the CUp?

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 9:44 am EST

RF4L - True on ATkinsn..he needs to step up..Duchense and Panarian have had their moments..which is what you need in tough PO hockey.It's hard to shine all the time..

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 9:43 am EST

RF4L - Touche! Thanks on the Bos pick clarification

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 9:42 am EST

Glad the Isles won that first round - they get to select lower in the draft! :) Conflicted on CBJ-Bos. My hate of the Bruins is somewhat offset by wanting to get JD here as President sooner rather than later.

Ranger47


Sat May 4 2019 9:41 am EST

Atkinson has been invisible so far in the BJ hockey I've seen.

RF4l


Sat May 4 2019 9:39 am EST

BTW Nash fetched a 1st which was packaged with NJ's 2nd to move up to select Miller.

RF4l


Sat May 4 2019 9:37 am EST

Lol. I was teasing but now you're really grumpy! ;^)

RF4l


Sat May 4 2019 9:35 am EST

RF4L - How the hell is that grumpy?

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 9:32 am EST

Tukka Rask had a good game last game or Columbus wins that one. They are not out of this series by any means, but they have to come up big today. Dallas is on a roll now..........their home crowd is weak, one of the weakest still in the playoffs. If they can pull this off it would be great, but they have to hope Colorado can take out the Sharks because the Sharks look like the favorites of the teams left. A San Jose- Boston final would be interesting but I am not willing to sign up for that unless San Jose is guaranteed to win it.

Bob


Sat May 4 2019 9:17 am EST

Hospo...gee why so grumpy?

RF4l


Sat May 4 2019 9:00 am EST

I know most are saying "what Happeed to the BJs"th but ey beat a team that wasn't ready or didntfeel the need to play PO hhockey, plain and simple..The BJs (who have a mix of skill and tiughness) have been playing the same and, let's not forget, the Bruins have pretty much matched that for most of the series and deserve some credit..That being said, I hate those fucks and hope to God th BJs can pull it out....Panarin,Duchense and ATkinson have to rise to the occasion.......As for draft picks, I havent' got caught up in any of that shit becuse they will be whet they will be, I know we get a first for WPG and Dallas (if they win) and a 2nd from TB, but do we get a 1st from BOS from the NASH trade???..

Hospo


Sat May 4 2019 8:48 am EST

tlats: Lavoie is leading the Quebec lead in PO scoring. Suspect he won't be around at 20. That said, his detractors fret about his inconsistency and lack of commitment so he could slip.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 8:46 am EST

Bob: I think we are saying the same thing. 2 firsts is a hefty price to pay but at least MZA isn't late 30s and no longer capable of producing offense regularly like MSL was when he came aboard. Nonetheless, quite the coup if it happens. 2 firsts 2 year ago, 3 firsts last year, 3 firsts this year and 2 next year - that's 10 in 4 years. If it happens there's zero doubt about: Extremely impressive by Gorton.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 8:38 am EST

If he’s still available of course

tlats


Sat May 4 2019 8:38 am EST

RF4L—-as a contrary view......if Dallas gets to the WCF and Zucc continues to play the way he has, how does Dallas walk away from him? There are Zucc jerseys all over Dallas now, the teammates love him. I think it puts them in a difficult spot.

Bob


Sat May 4 2019 8:38 am EST

If we still have the 19-20 pick this draft and don’t trade it away I want this kid Raphael Lavoie he is a monster at 6-4 200 lbs and reminds me of Ryan Getzlaf at that age.

tlats


Sat May 4 2019 8:36 am EST

STRANGER.... We've talked about it plenty, but the fourth win is the hardest to get so why jinx it now?

Rhet0ric


Sat May 4 2019 8:24 am EST

Puck: I concur that logic suggests the Stars desire to resign MZA lessens if it means coughing up 2 firsts. However, if MZA has ingrained himself into the lineup (as it appears he already has) it may be basically necessary for the Stars to pursue him. If he elects to go elsewhere, there's nothing they can do but to choose not to pursue him due to the cost if he's important to the team would be foolish. He's tied with Benn and Kleinburg with 9 points for 2nd in team PO scoring (1 point behind Seguin) so he's putting up the numbers.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 8:04 am EST

I’ve practically been praying for Dallas since the start of the playoffs to get to the WCF- but not touching the money just yet. Still, so far this is the year of the underdog in the nhl playoffs. As for Zucc re-signing with big D, I would say it’s a long shot simply because that pic is too expensive for Dallas considering all the UFA out there this summer that won’t cost picks. Still, one can hope (pray)

Puckyou


Sat May 4 2019 7:59 am EST

I should have added that it is important to be built to win in the playoffs, not just the regular season. All of the teams that are left are capable of playing a gritty, heavy game. They can play through the physicality. I hope GORTON is watching and planning accordingly.

Vic


Sat May 4 2019 7:56 am EST

STRANGER: No, I didn't believe Dallas could do this at the time of the trade. However, when the playoffs started and I saw how far they had come I did say here that I wouldn't be surprised if they were the team in the Finals from the West. Very good goaltending and excellent team D were there back at the deadline. But the emergence of HINTZ, coupled with MZA back in the lineup has given them 2 lines that can score. HEISKANEN exploded in development this second half and has been looking like a guy who is going to be a perennial NORRIS candidate for the next 10 years. And SPEZZA has found a bit of a fountain of youth in these playoffs. He has been productive and has played a solid two way game. I didn't get to watch yesterday's game but I've seen the rest of their playoff games. This is a good team that deserves to be where they are. As we have seen from these playoffs yet again, it doesn't matter how many points a team has. What matters is how well they are playing and how healthy they are when the playoffs roll around. All of those points that Tampa, Calgary, Toronto, etc. put up from October through February/March didn't help them win in the playoffs.....

Vic


Sat May 4 2019 7:36 am EST

NYStranger: Agreed - I'm amazed they've gotten this far. I thought they had a decent chance of bouncing the over-rated Predators but I figured the Blues would eliminate them. That could still happen of course, but it'll be a tough chore to accomplish. Imagine them advancing and then resigning MZA? Getting ahead of myself for sure but 2 firsts would be a coup to rival what Sather coughed up to get MSL.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 7:02 am EST

Forget about the Islanders. No one is mentioning that Dallas is one win away from the WCF. Don't think a single wallster gave them a chance at doing this when the Zucc trade was made. Come on OTBG needs another roll of the dice!

NYStranger


Sat May 4 2019 6:51 am EST

BTW, the way the BJs look now only makes their sweep of the Bolts more befuddling. What the hell happened to Tampa?

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 6:50 am EST

The Islanders over-achieved in the regular season due in large part of superb coaching. We've seen this time and time again (probably every PO) when talent actually means something and the those with minimal get eliminated. That they swept the Penguins probably says more about the Penguins than the Islanders (and Rutherford should be worried if he's envisioning a cup challenge next year). Alas, it looks like the Boston Buttholes are going to go to the cup final. Last game the BJs looked horrid - they are another team without a lot of talent and it showed. Their previous game they hung on desperately - they were outplayed for long stretches of time. To me, today is a must-win for them.

rF4l


Sat May 4 2019 2:08 am EST

I’m not the least bit happy about the NYI fans. I am however anxiously hoping that the rivalry will get kicked up a lot. Hockey’s no fun without the rivals. Like I stated before. I literally don’t think sans that unsuspected NJD playoff run back in the days of the green and red that all three teams were highly competitive at the same time. I would love to get some playoff runs and bad blood going again.

E


Sat May 4 2019 1:36 am EST

Islanders swept..Ha ha ha ha and one more ha!!!!! Still can't get over the FACT that were were some RANGER fans on this board a week or two ago who made comments that they were happy for Islanders fans that they won a round. What is this world coming to? Ranger fans being happy for Islander fans.??? All i can say is Fuck The Islanders and their stupid fans!

MC


Fri May 3 2019 11:42 pm EST

If anyone goes to a NHL game in the future, they should report back here on what the weirdest jersey they saw from a fan of the home team and the away team. Tonight, I saw a fan wearing a Canes jersey and on the back the nameplate read, CATEGORY , and the # was 5....Silly AF.......and for the Fishsticks.....weirdest sweater I saw was a little kid in a Benoit Hogue jersey...

tradestar28


Fri May 3 2019 11:38 pm EST

Bob, I am a bit worried about Columbus.....I am not sure why....but I feel like they always shit the bed in these situations. And if so, the Canes will have their hands full with the Bruins....

tradestar28


Fri May 3 2019 11:29 pm EST

Tonight was a good night in the NHL playoffs. Now we need Columbus and Colorado to come up big next.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 11:23 pm EST

:->)

mf


Fri May 3 2019 11:22 pm EST

Ok Dallas. One more win and we are good to go.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 11:22 pm EST

MF - let's celebrate @ Marvel on LIDO BLVD. Best fuckin dipped soft serve cone ever

tradestar28


Fri May 3 2019 11:20 pm EST

DALLAS WINS !

mf


Fri May 3 2019 11:03 pm EST

Just got back from the game.....Here are my notes.......Carolina fans are pretty much clueless in respect to the game of hockey. Neither do the stupid Icehole transplant fans here in Raleigh. This one dummy lady with a fuckin Billy Smith t-shirt was standing up in the 1st period during the Icehole's Power Play. I had to tell her to sit the fuck down circa 1992 when I would sit in the Green seats and some asshole stood up in the last row of the Orange Seats......Trotz is a good guy. He was the last person off the ice for the Iceholes after talking with Slavin for over a minute and then hugging him. Lehner seems like a good guy too. He was double hand handshaking and hugging the Canes on the line. Furthermore, I am not too proud to admit this but I did the wave for the first time in maybe 25 years during a TV timeout. And last but least, Canes fans may be mostly clueless but they know how to tailgate (now called pre-gaming by millennials). I saw the most amazing BBQ and everything else you can imagine in the parking lot @ 5pm EST. It was literally 3/4th's full at that time.

tradestar28


Fri May 3 2019 10:10 pm EST

Congrats to the fishswept

Stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 9:30 pm EST

Have to think John Taveras enjoyed that. “We don’t need you.” LOL. I don’t hate the players as much as their lowlife fans. Also, Anders Lee’s picture is going to be on a milk carton near you soon. Way to play for a new contract fella.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 9:25 pm EST

Islanders: Reality really sucks sometimes.

RF4l


Fri May 3 2019 9:12 pm EST

Andrei, while I get your point on Zucc's work without the puck, I don't care. There are no perfect players. You just have to decide if the player has more of the good stuff. I'll take Zucc's warts because his positives far outweigh his negatives. I doubt Dallas is worried about his defensive liabilities. But we can agree to disagree.

ColoradoMark


Fri May 3 2019 9:01 pm EST

ZUCCARELLO has 6 points in the series to lead all players.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:51 pm EST

Sweep & Swept

mf


Fri May 3 2019 8:49 pm EST

1-0 STARS

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:42 pm EST

CAR has made the playoffs four times since 2002. All four times, they have reached the Eastern Conference Final. This is also the first best-of-seven sweep in franchise history.

Wildcard


Fri May 3 2019 8:40 pm EST

NBC: Please stop doing interviews with the players, you guys totally suck at it.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:38 pm EST

The absolute best part of this is that the PENGUINS got swept by a team that got swept themselves.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:37 pm EST

CANES WIN!! SWEEPING THE ISLANDER 5-2,. The JETS pick will now be no lower than #20. TY Carolina!!!

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:35 pm EST

As Jackie Gleason used to say… “How SWEEP it is”

RF73


Fri May 3 2019 8:32 pm EST

With the Canes advancing, the Winnipeg pick is now #20

DOUBLEN


Fri May 3 2019 8:28 pm EST

Bye-bye Dicklanders!!!

kitchen1


Fri May 3 2019 8:27 pm EST

5-1 CANES.... GOODBYE NYI!!

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:21 pm EST

I know this Wall has become a place where Opinion is spoken as fact but I think the Rangers can go either way this off-season regards to UFAs/trades/Offer sheets...Personally, I dont think they will ever be in a better position in terms of cap, good young players, picks, ammo and needs to make a big aquisitin or two for guaranteed (or close to it) assets ..and the time seems right given the UFas (Panarin and others) and RFAs (Pint, Marner, whoever) that might be avialable from teams with cap issues, not to mention good old fashin trades with all the ammo the Rangers have aquired by sucking and some good dealing by Gordo....Should be an interesting few months

Hospo


Fri May 3 2019 8:06 pm EST

I am thoroughly enjoying this hockey game.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 8:04 pm EST

CANES are punishing the NYI with some big hits. Watching Andrei Svechnikov play reminds me of how much I wanted the NYR to move up in the draft to get him :(

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:01 pm EST

9. Olof Lindbom, goalie, age 19, 6-2, 176. Second-round pick (39th overall) in 2018. A pick highly questioned at the time – the Rangers had Henrik Lundqvist, Alexandar Georgiev, Igor Shesterkin, Adam Huska and others at the top of their goalie depth chart. But Gorton saw him as an asset, a player who could be a trade chip or who could down the road make one of the other goalies a trade chip. And with Lundqvist having two years left on his contract at age 37, the Rangers might arguably have to deal Georgiev or Shesterkin and eventually need a second goalie behind the one who remains. Lindbom has reportedly signed with Mora IK to play in Sweden next season after an injury wrecked 2018-19 for him. “He missed the whole year and goalies take a while and need to play a lot,” Drury said. “He had an upper body injury early in the season and played only about eight games (5-3-0, 2.73, .900 for Djurgardens’ junior team in Sweden’s SuperElit). Obviously the scouts had him really high and we took him really high. “He’s not a big goalie. Still room to grow — 6-2 but slim.” The phone at the Rangers’ draft table, Drury said, was “blowing up” when they picked a goalie in the second round. It was Rangers’ goalie guru Benoit Allaire. “He knew a lot about him,” Drury said. “When he gets excited we all get excited.” .....SCHNEIDW.... Thank you so much for that.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 7:34 pm EST

Gord Miller

tlats


Fri May 3 2019 7:34 pm EST

Goes Miller- Offer sheet compensation has been set for 2019/20 $1,395,053 or below: None $1,395,054-$2,113,716: 3rd $2,113,717-$4,227,437: 2nd $4,227,438-$6,341,152: 1st, 3rd $6,341,153-$8,454,871: 1st, 2nd, 3rd $8,454,872-$10,568,589: 2 1sts , 2nd, 3rd Over $10,568,590+: 4 1sts

tlats


Fri May 3 2019 7:21 pm EST

Once again, fuck the Icelanders!!!

kitchen1


Fri May 3 2019 7:21 pm EST

4-1 CANES.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 7:19 pm EST

Fuck the Islanders!!

kitchen1


Fri May 3 2019 7:18 pm EST

I think that Gordon has done a PHENOMINAL job restocking the cupboard in such a short amount of time. I honestly believe that we are going to be a powerhouse in the not so distant future.

kitchen1


Fri May 3 2019 7:14 pm EST

Bob, Rangers can't offer a contract to RFA Point. Not an option. You have to have your picks in your possession in order to make the offer. Rangers no longer own NYR 3rd in 2020, nor they own NYR 2nd in 2020. Both picks are conditional in Foxx trade, which means neither pick is available in any trade. Point is an $8 mil player, in which case, you have to have 2 1st rounders (NYR 1st in 2020 and NYR 1st in 2021), NYR 2nd in 2020, and NYR 3rd in 2020. Anything less the $8 mil, will be matched by TB. Even if Rangers offered $6 mil and Point accepts, and somehow TB does not match, Rangers need to pay the offer sheet price of NYR 1st in 2020, NYR 2nd in 2020, NYR 3rd in 2020, which, again, THEY DON'T HAVE...

andrei


Fri May 3 2019 7:10 pm EST

3-1 CANES.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 7:09 pm EST

Andrei.....Not that my opinion matters but I agree with everything that you have said in your last few posts. I think you are spot on.

kitchen1


Fri May 3 2019 7:08 pm EST

DAMN, what a bang-bang play. CANES 2-1.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 7:05 pm EST

Ranking the top prospects in the New York Rangers’ system By Rick Carpiniello May 2, 2019 228 The? whole landscape? has? changed. The Rangers? have? torn it? down and started over from? the foundation. That? ground-level is the? team’s?? prospects cupboard, which had been wiped out by years of taking swings at the Stanley Cup and some misses in the draft. Rangers GM Jeff Gorton, assistant GM Chris Drury and their staff, in a short period of time, completely restocked the prospects pool. “Yeah, I think we’re really proud,” Gorton said. “When you do something like this, when you announce what we’re doing and you say we’re going to do these things – ‘We’re going to go out and get young assets and draft picks’ – and then to see it happen, and where we are a little more than a year later and our top-10 list is completely changed over. And to see all the exciting players that are not even Rangers yet, that are coming soon, whether it’s this year or next year, I think it’s a great thing.” So today we’re taking a dive into the organization’s Top 10 prospects (plus one who was booted off the list at the last moment) and an additional look at the top five “prospects” already wearing Rangers uniforms. We’ve spoken to people in the Rangers front office and other NHL executives and scouts to compile this list. Keep in mind that the list is about to have an even more dramatic change on June 21, when Gorton steps to the stage in Vancouver with the second-overall pick in the draft and selects the player (either Kaapo Kakko or Jack Hughes) who will immediately leap over everyone else into the No. 1 spot. And that Gorton will, barring a trade, have at least one more pick in the first round that evening. Also remember, not all of these prospects will be stars. Some might not even be NHLers. That’s part and parcel of the prospects business. But the more times you step to the plate, the more times you have a chance to hit a line drive, and in some cases, a home run. Pile ‘em up. Bare-to-blooming. “I love what Jeff’s done there, picking up so many young assets so quickly,” said one NHL executive. By the time the draft comes and goes, the Rangers could have five or so of the top 50 prospects in hockey. Only one of those was here before the 2017 draft. “It’s exciting to see,” Drury said. “We know where we were when we started this endeavor. To have these prospects in the fold, one through 10, or one through 15, or however you look at it, is exciting for everybody.” For the exercise of this story, we’re not even considering young pros such as Tony DeAngelo, Pavel Buchnevich or Neal Pionk – or for that matter Brady Skjei. In those particular cases, it will be up to each to take another step forward in ’19-20. You certainly expect them to be NHL players at worst. At best? It’s up to them now. Top 10 still to come: 10. Yegor Rykov, defense, age 22, 6-3, 225. Fifth-round pick (132nd overall) by New Jersey in 2016. A piece of the return the Rangers got when they traded Michael Grabner to the Devils at the 2018 deadline. The Rangers have been trying to get him over here sooner rather than later, but that may not come this year. “We’re in discussion with him to find out what he wants to do, to find out whether he’s ready to come over or wants to come over,” Gorton said. “We’re working through those.” One issue perhaps is that he may be able to make more, or similar, money in the KHL than he’ll earn on his fairly standard entry-level contract. Rykov’s a big defensive defenseman who had three goals and nine points in 47 games for Sochi in the KHL this season. “He got traded or moved from SKA to Sochi, so he actually played for (ex-Rangers Cup champ) Sergei Zubov … and played a ton,” Drury said. “His minutes were incredible in the playoffs (21:36 average), so he was counted on. He’s a big heavy lefty D-man, counted on in a lot of different ways. As he got his confidence and was playing more in the KHL he was able to provide some offense. “Big thick kid, really a man’s body already.” 9. Olof Lindbom, goalie, age 19, 6-2, 176. Second-round pick (39th overall) in 2018. A pick highly questioned at the time – the Rangers had Henrik Lundqvist, Alexandar Georgiev, Igor Shesterkin, Adam Huska and others at the top of their goalie depth chart. But Gorton saw him as an asset, a player who could be a trade chip or who could down the road make one of the other goalies a trade chip. And with Lundqvist having two years left on his contract at age 37, the Rangers might arguably have to deal Georgiev or Shesterkin and eventually need a second goalie behind the one who remains. Lindbom has reportedly signed with Mora IK to play in Sweden next season after an injury wrecked 2018-19 for him. “He missed the whole year and goalies take a while and need to play a lot,” Drury said. “He had an upper body injury early in the season and played only about eight games (5-3-0, 2.73, .900 for Djurgardens’ junior team in Sweden’s SuperElit). Obviously the scouts had him really high and we took him really high. “He’s not a big goalie. Still room to grow — 6-2 but slim.” The phone at the Rangers’ draft table, Drury said, was “blowing up” when they picked a goalie in the second round. It was Rangers’ goalie guru Benoit Allaire. “He knew a lot about him,” Drury said. “When he gets excited we all get excited.” 8. Morgan Barron, center, age 20, 6-4, 210. Sixth-round pick (174th overall) in 2017. Nobody made a bigger jump up in the rankings, arguably, than Barron during his past season at Cornell, where he had 15 goals and 34 points in 36 games. There was speculation about him possibly turning pro this offseason, but now it appears he’ll stay in school one more year. “I mean, what an unbelievable year he had,” Drury said. “Offensively I think he really popped. He’s always been a big, physical, rugged winger. I just think his skating took a big jump this year, which enabled him to get to the net more, to get pucks to the net more. He’s so solid on the walls. He’s solid in the D-zone. He’s a pretty prototypical projected power forward on the left side. But was certainly thrilled with his season.” Barron was named to ECAC Hockey’s first all-star team and All-Ivy League first team as a sophomore. “I think physically, once we got him in the first development camp, we were all blown away with what he could do, how strong he was, how put-together, kind of a pro body he already had,” Drury said. “So first-and-foremost, that jumped out. Then he gets on the ice and you’re like, ‘Wow, he can really move.’ And he’s got really good sense. You can see why the scouts fought for him, and why we got him. “He’s a kid, like, if the draft was after this season for his age group, there’s no way he’s around as a sixth-rounder for us. That’s kind of been my line. If we had to do the draft again, Morgan Barron would not be taken so late.” An NHL scout noted that going back to college for another year can be best for Barron and a lot of players. The scout said that, for example, Boston’s Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson (known as JFK) might have benefitted from doing the same at B.U. “Him going back for one more year and having the puck on his stick, it would have helped him. Sometimes, especially if the kids themselves think they need it … you’ve got to depend on your scouts and your development people and the kid more than the coaches, because the coaches are always going to say they need more time. Sometimes those kids going back can be the best thing.” The scout added that T.J. Oshie went back to college when he could have turned pro, then made the jump seamlessly into the NHL. (Adam Hunger-USA TODAY Sports) 7. Ryan Lindgren, defense, age 21, 6-0, 201. Second-round pick (49th overall) by Boston, 2016. With all the skilled defensemen the Rangers have acquired, they’re going to need a few of the old-school shutdown types. Like Rykov, Lindgren should be one of those. In two brief stints with the Rangers last season he didn’t look out of place. Lindgren’s got a bit of Libor Hajek to his game, though Hajek’s a better skater and probably better with the puck, too. “The three games before the break, I thought he got a little better each game, and I thought he was pretty good in the two games (at the end of the season),” Drury said. “Again, he’s a young defenseman coming from college, with a shorter season. And also, playing in Minnesota with the Olympic (sized) ice, I think was good for him to turn pro when he did, to get into the system, to keep the development process going along. We’re still excited we got him. He’s definitely a throwback D, where he’s in your face, he’s digging in the trenches, he has no problem mixing it up in front of the net, and I think he got better and better as the season went on.” When the Rangers got Lindgren in the Rick Nash deal, a lot was made of his character and leadership and still is. “At the end of the year he was wearing a letter in Hartford as the season went on and players moved out or moved up,” Drury said. “He’s an easy guy (to choose) to wear a letter. The kind of guy teammates look to, for sure.” 6. Nils Lundkvist, defense, age 18, 5-11, 172. First-round pick (28th overall) in 2018. The Rangers have no plans to sign and rush him over from Sweden. Not yet. Lundkvist, taken with Tampa Bay’s first-round pick, had three goals and 10 points in 41 games for Lulea of the Swedish Hockey League, a year after being selected as the best defensema in SuperElit. He also helped Sweden win bronze at the World Juniors. “A young right-handed D-man playing in the Swedish men’s league and doing really well, playing between 15-20 minutes a night,” Drury said. “Not counted on to play as much offense there as a young D-man, but certainly playing a big role whenever he gets to play 20 minutes. He’s been doing well and I think growing his game the right way over there.” The comps are natural with the size and skill and right-handedness to Pionk and DeAngelo, even as DeAngelo separated himself offensively from Pionk in the second half of the season. “I don’t think he has Tony’s flair, but maybe because of his instincts and his upbringing, he naturally might have a better chance to get points as a smaller right-handed D-man.” Late in the season, Rangers director of European scouting Nickolai Bobrov told the team’s website that Lundkvist “has an internal fire, the engine that burns really bright, and it shows whether you meet him or you watch him on the ice.” I can also tell you that when he was drafted, Lundkvist was almost breathless with excitement. 5. Libor Hajek, defense, age 21, 6-2, 204. Second-round pick (37th overall) by Tampa Bay in 2016. Another of the old-school variety, but Hajek is also a strong skater who protects the puck and can move it with quick, smart passes. And another haul from the Ryan McDonagh blockbuster, which brought Brett Howden, a first-rounder in ’18 (Lundkvist) and Vlad Namestnikov, plus a second-rounder (58th overall) this June. But Hajek’s first pro season plodded along and he admitted he may have put too much pressure on himself because of the expectations from the trade – he was the sticking point that then-Tampa GM Steve Yzerman did not want to trade. “It was definitely a big learning curve for him,” Drury said. “I always play in my head, kind of that hypothetical question, if we didn’t trade for him and he didn’t have the self-imposed pressure of being traded for Ryan McDonagh, and he went to Syracuse (Tampa Bay’s farm club), I bet he has a way better start to his pro career because he’s not trying to prove to everyone that the Rangers made the right trade – he’s just playing as a second-round pick and not feeling any of that. And we didn’t put any of that – and I don’t think the media put any of that on him. I think that was just him trying to do too much at the wrong time in Hartford, whether it was him trying to make one extra pass or holding onto the puck for one more second, or just misreading a play trying to be too aggressive.” But when the likable Hajek got to the NHL he immediately looked like he was at home, though he suffered a season-ending shoulder injury in his fifth game, in which he also scored his first NHL goal. Coach David Quinn noted that sometimes playing at the NHL level is easier for a young defenseman than in the AHL, because there’s more structure and teammates know where to be and what to do. “American League Hockey, it’s a scramble sometimes down there,” Drury said. “A lot of moving parts, a lot of guys with different agendas and it’s not always as smooth as it is here. … There’s a learning curve for everybody, but I think he did well when he got into games here.” Drury also remembered when he was playing for the Rangers, when youngsters were being called up and telling him how McDonagh was struggling in Hartford. After less than half an AHL season, the Rangers had a stalwart on the NHL stage. Not everybody agrees with the high trajectory for Hajek. “I see him as a low-end guy,” one scout said. “I wasn’t as high on him as I was those other guys.” But an NHL executive said, “I saw him for the last time in November, December and he hadn’t even gotten his feet under him yet.” “I saw him in Traverse City (last summer) and he looked good there. And that’s the thing. The hardest thing with the American League to judge, especially the D, when your goalies’ save percentage is at the bottom, how are you going to judge the D? Their win-loss was so off too.” 4. Adam Fox, defense, age 21, 5-11, 195. Third-round pick (66th overall) by Calgary in 2016. The big trade that shook up my board came down Tuesday when Gorton got Fox from Carolina for a second-rounder in June and a conditional third (which becomes a second in 2020 if Fox plays 30 games for the Rangers). That’s probably a good bet to happen because this is a kid who should be NHL-ready. Fox was a finalist for the Hobey Baker with 9-39-48 in 33 games at Harvard and is expected to sign an entry-level contract shortly. “He’s really, really good,” Drury said. “(Former NHL exec and scout) Craig Button (of TSN) had him 12th best non-NHL player in the world.” Corey Pronman of The Athletic had him rated 44th. “Just elite hockey sense is the first thing that comes to mind when anybody talks about him,” Drury said. “He’s extremely smart. Has great vision, is a great puck-mover, a really high-end power-play guy that could probably step right in and run an NHL power play fairly soon.” Drury will see him as GM of Team USA at the World Championships. “It helps a lot, with the whole organization, our depth charts, having a high-end thinker that’s a right-handed defenseman is exciting,” Drury said. One exec said “He’s done more in college than K’Andre Miller, but he’s not 6-foot-4. And he’s older. He’s got three years of college hockey in. The stuff he’s done in college is kind of ridiculous.” 3. K’Andre Miller, defenseman, age 19, 6-foot-4, 204. First-round pick, 22nd overall, in 2018. “We’re obviously thrilled with his year,” Drury said. The Rangers traded up, using Boston’s first-rounder and a second to get Miller at No. 22 last June in Dallas. Despite the high expectations, Miller’s freshman year opened eyes. Embedded video New York Rangers ? @NYRangers "Every time I step on the ice, I'm always thinking of that next level. I'm pushing myself and doing whatever I can to get there and stay there for a while." - #NYR Prospect K'Andre Miller after he burst onto the scene as a @BadgerMHockey Freshman. See @kandre_miller's story ?? 548 9:46 AM - Apr 26, 2019 84 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy “I think it did for me and Jeff and some other people around here,” Drury said. He had five goals and 17 assists in 26 games at the University of Wisconsin before a season-ending knee injury and stood out at the World Juniors despite playing for Team USA with the flu. Miller was twice named the NCAA’s freshman of the month in his first three months of college hockey. He has decided to stay at Wisconsin for his sophomore season and another run at the World Juniors. Oh, he’s also still growing … he said he’s closing in on 6-foot-5 and packing on muscle. Miller’s coach at Wisconsin, ex-Ranger Tony Granato, said there’s no doubt that Miller can and will be a first-pair NHL defenseman. “I think he’s got the potential to be (a first-pair),” Drury said. “Obviously, to be a ‘one’ you’ve got to provide, I think, some offense and be a shutdown guy all in one. I think if everything clicks he has a chance at that. But I certainly think all day long he’s an unbelievable ‘three.’ “Just the offensive part of it, I think was the biggest thing,” Drury said. “I thought physically and mentally he’d be fine, but Tony (Granato) put him right away in power-play spots and I think that gave him confidence right away. The kid took it and ran with it and never looked back. It was great to see. I think there will be an even bigger jump next year. It’s hard to predict or project points but I just think as a player he’s going to take an even bigger jump.” Here’s the thing to remember. Miller switched from forward to defense just three year ago, at the suggestion of his high school coach in Minnesota. “Having only played defense for the last four years, I think, now, he’s only going to get better and better – reading and reacting to the rush, when he should step up, his gaps,” Drury said. “But he is freakishly big (for such a good skater). “He came to development camp and his skates and his equipment got lost. A lot of guys, that would ruin their week, they’d be complaining and pointing it out to everybody. He just smiled, took the skates they gave him, and away he went. It was impressive.” 2. Igor Shesterkin, goalie, age 23, 6-1, 187, Picked in the fourth round (118th overall) in 2014. The only member of this list who was here before the rebuild began. Shesterkin has a two-year entry-level contract in place, just awaiting it to be filed with the NHL and officially announced. Shesterkin’s been the heir apparent to Lundqvist for a few years now, and his arrival will make for a difficult decision with Lundqvist and Georgiev on the roster. Shesterkin had a ridiculously good season for SKA St. Petersburg in the KHL, going 24-3-1 with a 1.11 goals-against average, a .953 save percentage and 10 shutouts in 28 games. He allowed one goal or fewer 19 times. In six seasons (117 KHL games) he’s 88-16-7, 1.68, .935 with 27 shutouts. Granted he’s played with a stacked team, and in a league where a lot of top goalies have eye-popping numbers. But Shesterkin is a combo of technical soundness and athletic acrobat. “He’s obviously blown away the KHL, the numbers he’s put up in that league,” Drury said. “It is a different league than the NHL – the number of shots you see, the scoring chances you get, the angles some of the shots are, the bigger ice. It’s more possession. You’re waiting for that perfect scoring chance, wanting to hold onto the puck a little bit, whereas here it’s shots. You can never have too many shots on net. “So it wouldn’t surprise me if there is a little bit of a learning curve over here. But he certainly has everyone very excited with his combination of talent and work ethic. He’s played in big games for a long, long time. So we’re looking forward to getting him over here.” His contract includes an escape clause in the event that he is stuck in the minors for an extended period of time. But Hartford, temporarily, will be an option for the start of Shesterkin’s North American pro career. “We’ve got to get him over here first, before we can figure out where he’s going to start,” Drury said. “With that said, the KHL is a good league with a lot of really good players. But everyone knows the best league in the world is the NHL and certainly one of the best franchises in the best league in the world is the Rangers. So we’re hoping he sees that opportunity in front of him. And certainly the chance to work with Benoit Allaire, for any goalie, is a positive thing. “And we all understand and know what the numbers are and aren’t in that league. I think just what gets everyone excited is his talent and his quickness and his athleticism. He’s not only done that in the KHL, but in international tournaments he’s done quite well. He’s pretty technically savvy. So when we put it all together I think we’re going to have a really good goalie.” An NHL team executive agreed that getting accustomed to North America will be a step that might make a stop in Hartford necessary and beneficial. “You look at Ilya Samsonov (Washington’s first-rounder, No. 22 overall in 2015), and that’s a good guy for him to look at, just coming over here, learning the language, getting used to (everything new),” the exec said. “I think the hardest thing for these guys to get used to is just where the players shoot from, because they shoot from what wouldn’t be scoring areas over in Europe. So you’ve got to adjust to that, You look at Samsonov and he had a bit of a slow start in October, November, December, then he turned the corner and he was terrific the rest of the way.” 1. Vitali Kravtsov, right winger, age 19, 6-3, 181. First-round pick (9th overall) in 2018. His youth is the only obstacle because Kravtsov is a real-deal skilled winger. In 50 games for Traktor Chelyabinsk of the KHL, the teenager had eight goals and 21 points, the most by any player age 20 or younger and tied for ninth (with Artemi Panarin) for most ever by a 20-or-under. Like Shesterkin, his three-year entry-level contract is done, just awaiting the official paperwork and announcement. He is expected in New York in late May and will have every chance to be on the opening-night roster. He is also going to get booted from the top of this list June 21. But when the Rangers chose him, there were detractors, and as the season went along, Kravtsov changed a lot of minds. “We’re still thrilled with the pick,” Drury said. “We thought he had a really good year of growth in the KHL. It was exciting for all of us to see him in the World Juniors. He was dealing with an upper-body injury as the tournament went on and I think, like just about every other player in that tournament, the flu bug was whipping around. But he gutted it out and played really well, and continued to play very well when he went home, back to Traktor. So we’re excited to get him in our development pipeline, get him training, and get him ready for training camp next year.” Kravtsov also played center out of necessity at World Juniors, but the Rangers see him as a winger. And boy do they need scoring wingers. “He’s so smart,” Drury said. “His hockey sense and his vision and how he processes things quickly are extremely exciting for us. He reads the play, sees the play, can make the play, on a level that a kid at that age, playing against men, it’s not always the easiest thing to do. That’s going to be a big positive for us in our future here.” Right away? “I hope so,” Drury said. “Top-end skill is not easy to find, and we certainly moved a lot of top-end skill at the last two deadlines, It would be nice to be getting some come training camp.” An NHL scout said, “I saw Kravtsov at the World Juniors. He’s going to be a good player. He’s a prospect, a high-end prospect. It might take a while. He’s going to be a top two line player. From what I saw, he’s a high-skill guy. He’s got a lot of things that he needs to learn, but there’s a lot of guys who do, too.” At the draft, Rangers director of player personnel Gordie Clark said they had Kravtsov ranked second among all forwards behind Carolina’s Andre Svechnikov, who went second overall. The Rangers still feel as strongly about him. Many who didn’t agree then do now. And one more … dropped from our Top-10 to make room after Fox was acquired on Tuesday: Tarmo Reunanen, defense, age 21, 6-0, 178. Fourth-round pick (98th overall) in 2016. Another lanky, left-handed D-man, Reunanen’s stock rose with Lukko in Liiga of Finland. He had six goals and 25 points in 58 games leading all under-21 defensemen in goals, and second in assists (19). “He’s really taken off,” Drury said. “He had some upper body injuries before we got him, and even after, to be able to train properly. But he really, I’d say in the last three to five months, has popped offensively playing in a men’s league his numbers are pretty staggering. I got a stat here that he was sixth highest in point production by a U21 D-man since 2000. “He’s recently really gained some high-end confidence. He’s a No. 1 D-man in all situations. A U21 D-man in that league, his numbers are really impressive – highest in history by a U21 D-man. So he’s doing a lot of really good things since regaining his health and his confidence.” Drury compared him to a kind of left-handed DeAngelo — a lot of good puck skills, good possession, good shot – a pretty good defender. Five who are already here: 5. Brendan Lemieux, left winger, age 23, 6-1, 215. Second-round pick (31st overall) by Buffalo in 2014. The Rangers really haven’t had many players like Claude’s kid, a combination of toughness, agitation and, yes, some skill. Quinn thinks he could develop into a top-six, which might be a stretch. Having played sparsely and with not a lot of minutes as a fourth-liner with Winnipeg, Lemieux’s conditioning wasn’t where it needed to be to play bigger minutes in New York. So that would change. Quinn loves that he is an annoying player for opponents, because, as Quinn says, when you play the right way you’re going to piss off people. Lemieux lists the pissing off part as one of his attributes and says it comes naturally to him via his dad’s DNA. Lemieux was a piece of the Kevin Hayes deal this past trade deadline, which will also bring Winnipeg’s first-round pick in June. “We were very excited to get him in the deal,” Drury said. “He has lots of potential and upside in his game. He can impact the game on a number of ways with his size, speed, NHL high caliber shot, and sandpaper.” An NHL scout said about Lemieux, “Those are the guys that you love to have on your roster, just because it’s not a sandpaper league anymore. So when you have sandpaper, it gives your team a different element. He drags guys into the fight, he brings the energy level up, he gets the crowd involved. He’s a good hard-nosed hockey player.” 4. Lias Andersson, center, age 20, 6-1, 190. First-round pick (7th overall) in 2017. None of the Rangers’ top prospects drew the kind of wrath and over-analysis that Andersson’s first full pro season did. Even the “B-word” (Bust) was tossed around, mostly because of how high in the first round Andersson was selected (the seventh overall pick that came with DeAngelo in the Stepan trade), and how low his offensive output was both in Hartford and in New York. He was beaten out for an NHL spot by Brett Howden in training camp. While not a great skater, like Howden, Andersson’s understanding of the game, and his compete level, are his strengths. Certainly he needs to work on his skating and perhaps his conditioning. But offense is also expected from both players. “Yeah, where they were picked and where we project them, that would be great,” Drury said. “But I think to put any expectations on what their points could be or should be is a little premature at this point. Our goal is to keep teaching them how to play a 200-foot game, how to play on the right side of the puck, how to manage the game in crunch time, how to balance your risk vs. reward – not just run and gun – how to be a complete player. All those guys, we took big steps with them this year. An NHL scout made a decent point, and one which might put out some fires among the impatient fanbase. “He’s a core building block,” the scout said of Andersson. “There’s not a chance he’ll be a bust. He’s playing as an 18-19 year old. He’s 20 now. He’s got so much ahead of him. It’s the long haul. Look at Sean Couturier (the Flyers’ annual Selke consideration who averaged 13 goals, 22 assists his first five full seasons, then 32 and 44 in each of his age 25-26 seasons). “That’s who Andersson might be. It might take him five years of being a No. 7 forward and be a top third-line center, and then he takes a step offensively. And that’s fine. You’ve just got to be patient.” Andersson is going to be judged by where he was taken, where impact offensive players normally go off the board. But really there’s not a high-impact player who was taken after Andersson making much noise yet. “A lot gets put on these kids at a young age,” Drury said. “The (Jack) Eichels and (Connor) McDavids, the Nico Hischiers, the guys who get picked in that top 10, I think everyone expects to be a complete player when they get here. But sometimes it takes kid a little longer to reach a potential, to figure things out. We were happy with the strides he took this year, on and off the ice. Again, culture change, style of play change, new system, and I think as the year went on his skating got a lot better. It’s something that we noticed, and people around the league noticed too, was that he did have another gear, probably after January or February, down the stretch, where he was playing better hockey for us.” The Rangers like his leadership “intangible” and his penalty kill, and again, that 200-foot understanding of how to play the game. “If he can be that guy and his offense grows and grows year in and year out, I think everyone will be pretty happy,” Drury said. 3. Brett Howden, center, age 21, 6-3, 195. First round (27th overall) by Tampa Bay in 2016. Another huge piece of the McDonagh trade, Howden jumped right from juniors to a regular NHL role, though one that slowed with an offensive skid and through a knee injury. Quinn loves his motor, his wheels, and his straight-ahead style, and has said “there’s no BS to his game.” Howden understands the game better, perhaps, than the others. “Probably the initial transition was easiest (for him, than for Andersson and Filip Chytil),” Drury said.”Obviously Lias didn’t make the team at the start of the year. Playing in North America, playing Western League hockey, it’s the same ice, the same language, the same culture. The systems are the same. I think he picked things up a lot quicker. “But again, I think physically he hit some walls. I think he’s admitted it and we all know and saw it. I think after the five-day break I thought he really came back that first game with some really good legs. Then he got hurt. Then it took him a little while when he got back from the injury, but I think he finished really strong. I think the things he learned this year and the things he understands about being a 200-foot center was important for him. “Now it’s important for him to make sure he puts the time in and limits those peaks and valleys throughout the season – so when you don’t have your legs, you’re still able to impact the game in a positive way.” 2. Filip Chytil, center, age 19, 6-2, 208. First-round pick (21st overall) in 2017. Playing 75 NHL games this season (after nine the season before) as a teenager, Chytil went through the expected ups and downs. He had 11 goals and 23 points this season, though five of those goals came in a torrid five-game streak. He surely showed the potential top-end skill. “I think any young player at that age, coming from two years ago he was playing in not even the top league in Czech, to kind of jumping on the scene in development camp and training camp and making the Rangers two years ago, then spending the year in Hartford and World Juniors, then getting some games here at the end (of 2017-18), there are ups and downs,” Drury said. “Quinny always touches on it. It’s a long year for these kids at such a young age, and there’s a lot asked of them night in and night out. You can see it and you could see it with some other young players, too, like Howden and Lias. There’s a lot to learn and a lot to process at a young age and you’re in a new country with new people, a new system, playing in the best league in the world. There’s definitely some growing pains, but at the end of the day, we all know how talented he is and we’re excited to have him as a big piece moving forward.” There’s always a question of whether it’s better for such a young player to be here, or in the AHL (and Chytil went through the whole language/culture thing the previous season). There’s always, too, going to be a first-year process, with its struggles. Maybe if these kids did it at 21, it might not have been as severe. But now they’ve been through that difficult first year, and it’s out of the way, which could give them a chance to take a bigger step next year. “Certainly having Quinny and his staff have the year with them, rather than have them in Hartford or Frolunda or wherever their other options were, I think shortens that curve,” Drury said. “No one left here after exit meetings wondering what Quinny thought or what we expect from them next year, whether they were old or young, so I think it will only help these young kids, and help them get to their potential as quickly as they can.” An NHL scout added, “I had (Andersson and Chytil) both projected to be top-two line players. They just need some time. I like both of those guys.” 1. Alexandar Georgiev, goalie, age 23, 6-1, 179. Undrafted, signed as a free agent in 2017. On breakup day, as he prepared for what he was then hoping would be an invite to play for Russia in the World Championships, I asked Georgiev if anything he accomplished this season had surprised him. Georgiev took just a moment, looked directly at me and said, “No.” That’s the confidence this very affable, polite and humble young man has in himself. And he should, based on what he showed in his first season and a half in the NHL. He outplayed Henrik Lundqvist and got the lion’s share of the games down the stretch, the King even admitting that Georgiev deserved them. Behind the same leaky defense as Lundqvist, Georgiev went 14-13-4 with a 2.91 goals-against average and .914 save percentage. He also had both of the Rangers’ shutouts. He popped eyes, in particular, by making 99 saves in two victories over Toronto. Quinn, by the way, was a huge Georgiev fan from training camp on through. “I just think that, as the year went on, he got better and better,” Drury said. “He’s an extremely hungry kid. He’s so focused day in and day out. There’s not much that kind of derails him. He obviously had some tougher moments during the season, but if he let up two goals, let up six goals, or had a shutout, his focus, his desire and his compete was right back to where it should be the next day. And again, he really showed as it went on, where he’s at and what he could potentially be. “His quickness, his reflexes, his positioning – and he’s only getting technically better with every single week that goes by. “I think (it may have been surprising) how quickly he was able to adjust. He really got on a roll last January (2018) in Hartford, when he won 10, 11 in a row. Because the first half was kind of up and down. When he got on that roll, and he took the next step, we were thrilled for him and thrilled with the free-agent acquisition. I give a lot of credit to our European scouts, Jan Gajdosik, and Nick Bobrov. They kind of tag-teamed him and brought it to Jeff and myself and we got involved and were fortunate enough to sign him.” An NHL scout added, “That was a great find.” Talk about an understatement. (Top photo by Jared Silber/NHLI via Getty Images) What did you think of this story? MEH SOLID AWESOME Rick Carpiniello covers the New York Rangers for The Athletic New York. He has been on the Rangers beat for most of the past 40 years, starting with the 1978-79 Stanley Cup Final run. Carpiniello has written two books about the team: “Messier: Hockey’s Dragonslayer” and “Nightmare on 33rd Street” and might have at least one more coming. Follow Rick on Twitter @RickCarpiniello. 228 COMMENTS Add a comment... Darren L. May 2, 11:20am 13 likes 13

schneidw


Fri May 3 2019 7:01 pm EST

Friedman on 31 Thoughts says Mitch Marner and his camp are looking for Matthews money, ~$11.5M per year. Leafs would prefer he takes a Kucherov/Stone deal, ~$9.5M per year, but they both live in no tax states.... Friedman adds Leafs are disappointed it has gotten to this point. They felt he was a Toronto kid who wanted to play for the Leafs and didn’t think getting a deal done would be so difficult.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 6:54 pm EST

You can offer sheet Marner to make the Leaves respond. Guaranteed to put them into cap hell and forcing them to move Nylander. I doubt the Rangers do that. Someone else might. If the Rangers offer sheet Point........well that would be interesting. I will believe there will be an offer sheet when I see it though.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 6:52 pm EST

NYR 2019 Stanley Cup Preview: Kakko, 18, played in 45 games for Liiga (the professional Finnish league) scoring 22 goals and with 16 assists. Kakko tallied more points (38) in his pre-draft season than Patrik Laine and Sebastian Aho, who are some of the other recent Finnish stars currently tearing up the NHL. Hughes and Kakko will face one another in Slovakia in a May 13 contest which is sure to have plenty of executives, scouts and coaches from both New Jersey and New York watching with a vested interest.

schneidw


Fri May 3 2019 6:49 pm EST

So why did the NYRs use a 2nd round pick on a Goalie (Olaf Lindbom) last year anyways? I get the need for organization depth and for taking the best player regardless of position... but seems like they had 3 goalie prospects in the pipeline already... How does this kid look anyways?????

schneidw


Fri May 3 2019 6:41 pm EST

UFA/RFA: I don't see the NYRs signing any free agents... I think one more year and then the fast track starts... the price is too high and still need to get a high draft pick or 2 next year too....

schneidw


Fri May 3 2019 6:34 pm EST

Rhet0ric, there is pretty much no chance Rangers will be offering top tier RFA on offer sheet. Price is 4 1st round picks. I always ask one question. Why? No player in NHL is worth 4 1st rounders and it's not like your get a player cheap. You sill have to offer over $12 mil to get him. Anything less then $12 mil will be matched by Leafs.. You can offer same amount of money and get Panerin without giving up 4 1st round picks. Rangers can't offer a contract to Point. They no longer owe NYR 3rd rounder in 2020, which is a requirement, for salaries less then $10 mil. Rangers potentially don't own NYR 2nd either, since it might be going to Carolina. You can scratch Rangers from RFA list. ..

andrei


Fri May 3 2019 6:20 pm EST

1-1.... I kind of like the CANES black uniforms but those logos are terrible.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 6:09 pm EST

I've said it before, I'll say it again... I still think there's a pretty good chance that we offer sheet MITCH MARNER, though CARP seems to think we'll offer sheet BRAYDEN POINT. I'll take either.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 4:57 pm EST

Bob I think the only guy they might chase is panarin, and he just might be too expensive.

Stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 4:48 pm EST

HOSPO is right on the mark.....Malkin=Espo Hodge and Lindros. A million times NO!

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 4:36 pm EST

TD, Rangers are not going after Hayes/Skinner or Zuc,, of any other high end UFA's. They will go hard after Panerin. That's it. They will then explore trades to add another high end LD young d-man, because they have a need. I think Strome is safe. He just might have found home here. He fits nicely on that 3rd line. Vesey is good as gone, Name is good as gone. Krieder will be shopped hard, so is Skjei. Poink is good as gone.

andrei


Fri May 3 2019 4:19 pm EST

So I'm sure there will be movement before now and July 1...but right now, this is the scene up front: BUCHNEVICH, ZIBANEJAD, CHYTIL, ANDERSSON, HOWDEN, LEMIUEX and FAST, I'd say, are all very safe...I know some will disagree about Kreids, but...well...I disagree...guys who MAY get a trade, IMO, are KREIDER, STROME, NIEVES, NAMESTINKOV and VESEY...I stress "may" because I don't think the Rangers are eager to trade any of them...unless the right deal comes along...maybe at the deadline? And that goes without saying for the aforementioned crew too...BRICKLEY is probably gone...KRAVTSOV and KAKKO will be in the NHL. No doubt in my mind...and then you have outliers who...well...could always make a surprise splash...Speak mainly of LETTIERI and FOGARTY, but also GETTINGER...nevertheless, by my count we have 14 forwards who are pretty much locks to make the team...even expecting two to get traded leaves us with a full house...I feel comfortable saying DQ ain't going to want to sit any of his youth unless absolutely necessary...so where does that leave us with PANARIN? Or SKINNER? Or ZUCC/HAYES? I think it leaves us no where with any of them. The team has its veteran core, which is pretty good. Now it's got some elite talent about to join...Even if you are of the mind that they're going to deal 'anyone not 25 or under'...well...That leaves you with FOUR guys...FAST, Z, KREIDS and NAMESTNIKOV...

tdchi


Fri May 3 2019 3:48 pm EST

STEVIE - No thanks..I'll bring in Panarin because of the player he is, not to be the ring leader of a russian romper room..Dont try to force things because of language/nationality..Just get the best players for the coach..if the two coincide..great

Hospo


Fri May 3 2019 3:27 pm EST

Hospo so panarin can be in charge of the Russianmates instead. Sounds better and good to me. ... slew foot belongs on Boston...

Stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 3:15 pm EST

STEVIE - please god no...we want to win a cup not have these little groups that are just happy being with countrymates..That being said, Yes to Panarin..No to Malkenstein..I would hate him as a Ranger like I hated Lindros as one and that Fat tub of Goo Esposito also...No getting past it for me..

Hospo


Fri May 3 2019 3:12 pm EST

RF4L - spelling has never been the problem..just the fat fingered typing!

Hospo


Fri May 3 2019 3:00 pm EST

Malkinstein can be the leader of the Russianmates like Jagr was of the Czechmates.

Stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 2:52 pm EST

Erik Karlsson looked like the old EK last night, for the first time this playoffs. If he continues playing like that and Jones keeps playing this well, San Jose has to be the cup favorites.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 2:26 pm EST

Yeah MALKIN makes very little sense here. Geno is a hell of a player and the guy has been living his life in the shadow of CROSBY for so long, ya gotta kind of wonder what he'd be like if he was given the spotlight...I also think he's got plenty of hockey left...but trading for him would take a nice chunk out of what is poised to be one of, if not THE most talented farm system in the league...would be something like ZIBANEJAD, the Jets pick, K'Andre MILLER and CHYTIL. And Geno can be a bit of a dunce too...prone to taking stupid penalties...losing focus...et cetera...sure he might want to come here...thanks, but no thanks.

tdchi


Fri May 3 2019 2:25 pm EST

I thought Stone was a UFA ... wrong again I guess! And Hospo I admit you need a mix but man that guy can box the puck into a square. On the other side of the coin, I also hate to see talented guys who feel the need to paint a three-pass portrait out there instead of just blasting away. Just paint the garage, not the Sistine Chapel.

Nick


Fri May 3 2019 2:04 pm EST

Spellcheck

Stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 1:18 pm EST

Holy crap Hospo - you spelled xenophobic correctly. WTF is up with you dude?!

rF4L


Fri May 3 2019 1:03 pm EST

Speaking of all these Ranger and potential Ranger Russians, I was thinking about the POs and noticing how few Russians there are on the remaining PO teams..I think there are right about 10 or about 5% (compared to like 40-50% Canadian and 25% for Amer or Euros.), although a few like Bobo, Panarin, Tarasenko and Radulov are among the most important players to their team..I know a good number of Russians that might be depth players in the NHL now choose to stay in the KH but Just something that caught my attention and something to think about when the Rangers build their team..signed xenophobic Hospo

Hospo


Fri May 3 2019 12:45 pm EST

On the bigger market thing Erik Karlsson was saying back when he went to SJ how much he loved playing in a small market but in some ways it’s like being in a fishbowl. I guess it must be nice to be able to melt into a city where people aren’t going to universally recognize who you are and you can go out with your family without a ton of scrutiny and enjoy relative anonymity.

E


Fri May 3 2019 12:42 pm EST

Trading Malkin makes a lot of sense for PIT. When you consider their depth they need a big infusion of youth movement. The New York Rangers would not be a good trading partner. They aren’t building depth just to take that depth and give it away for one player who is long in the tooth. Like was stated, lots of players wanna get traded to NYC. Makes sense. Especially if you’ve spent your career in a small market.

E


Fri May 3 2019 12:26 pm EST

maybe jimmyboy should move Hartford to coney island , with all the Russians they can be close to Brighton beach .

stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 12:13 pm EST

TD: I am glad that he is a Ranger now. Even if he becomes a useful #3 for the next 6-8 years, the deal was more than worth it INO. If he ends up higher on the depth chart, it is a home run.

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 12:00 pm EST

Nothing to talk about regarding the Friedman/Malkin thing in his 31 thoughts. He was just speculating where MALKIN would approve a trade to. For Russian players the preferred destination always seems to be the NYR and Florida. Moving on.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 11:56 am EST

Bob - I don't disagree...but there were a few folks on Twitter who were all but convinced this kid was gonna be a Ranger months ago. I pushed a few of them on it...but they were steadfast...FOX has his eyes set on New York and that the feeling was mutual...I typically don't buy this shit because there are folks that see where he's from and automatically assume he wants to play for his home team or his favorite team or whatever...but they're pretty easy to sniff out...these guys seemed to have some sort of inside knowledge...and early on...Hell, I can even remember when the Canes first got him that one was saying they wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the Rangers. I wish I could remember who it was, but clearly the dude had some sort of inside info...hell, maybe they know him.

tdchi


Fri May 3 2019 11:44 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/05/03/rangers-add-long-awaited-pieces-in-russians-igor-shesterkin-vitali-kravtsov/

mf


Fri May 3 2019 11:35 am EST

Friedman's making up the Malkin to NY rumours. He mused about it in his 31 thoughts; he picked 2 teams based on what he understands their near intentions to be. There's nothing concrete (yet) behind it. Malkin to the Rangers makes zero sense. He'll be 33 this July, he's hurt a lot, is making nearly $10,000,000 each of the next 3 years and won't come cheap (re be prepared to give up something like Chytil, Skjei and a 1st). Ain't coming to the Rangers.

rf4L


Fri May 3 2019 11:34 am EST

MALKIN makes no sense to me for the Rangers.... on any level. He turns 33 in July. He has been injury prone (as most guys in the late 20s and 30s are. He makes $9.5 Million against the Cap for another 3 years. The Rangers have a bunch of guys who can play Center and will actually stay in the lineup. Why go out and trade assets for another Center who will cost a ton against the Cap and won't. There is no way he could ever live up to anywhere close to that contract.

Vic


Fri May 3 2019 11:28 am EST

rf4L:thanks

shonuff


Fri May 3 2019 11:21 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted NHL Rumors ‏ @NHLRumorsDaily 38m38 minutes ago @FriedgeHNIC names the #NYR and #FlaPanthers as the two parties who will keep a close eye on the Evgeni Malkin situation with the #LetsGoPens 13 replies 6 retweets 22 likes

stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 11:09 am EST

I'm not sure y'all have happened into John SCOTT'S podcast, but it's pretty good. He spins a good tale...and this one is about my best buddy TORTS! Here's a bit of a teaser: Torts like hammering out sprints on a treadmill to light rock before games/practices...Sather traded for Scott because he was the biggest baddest man out there, but never bothered to tell Torts he did the deal...GABORIK and Torts HATED each other and engaged in frequent diatribes with each other...most of the team had basically tuned him out in 2011-2012...basically just nodded and smiled when he came in to shout and then played their game without him...Let's just say Scott's stories about Torts...which are fucking awesome...only reaffirm my preconceptions about the guy being a stupendous asshole...and really, the 2011-2012 Rangers made the conference finals IN SPITE of him, not because of him. Enough from me though...take it from the big guy...he also tells a funny story about JUMBO SHRIMP trying to get him out of retirement this year: http://www.buzzsprout.com/196605/1046726

tdchi


Fri May 3 2019 10:48 am EST

RangerLou: https://www.pollstar.com/event/get-the-led-out-7523201

mf


Fri May 3 2019 10:44 am EST

shnouff: FWIW, my understanding is it's a long term out for each player. That is, they'll accept being farmed out but if it's for an extended period of time, they'd rather play in the KHL (and hard to blame them - it's their home country after all). I guess the key is how long is 'extended period of time'?

rf4L


Fri May 3 2019 10:37 am EST

What does the European assignment mean for Igor and Krav?? Does that mean they don't go to Hartford ?? I thought the whole point was Igor has to get used to smaller surface ???

shonuff


Fri May 3 2019 10:29 am EST

OLA-I love those I know a guy, who knew a guy, who dated a girl that was a classmate with this guy in kindergarten who said that he planned to go to free agency and sign with the Rangers!

Bob


Fri May 3 2019 9:57 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQTqKcojrVY ------ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Tkachyov_(ice_hockey,_born_1993) -------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Tkachev_(ice_hockey,_born_1995)

mf


Fri May 3 2019 9:46 am EST

Sure, sure - you expect me to believe that? And the next thing you're going to tell me is that there is more than one Tkaczuk, right? I wasn't born yesterday! :)

Ranger47


Fri May 3 2019 9:34 am EST

Vladimir Tkachyov, LW """""Yes, THERE ARE TWO Vladimir Tkachyov’s:""""" the big centerman just signed a new KHL deal to keep him in Russia. This Vladimir Tkachyov is the one that the Edmonton Oilers signed after he went undrafted in 2014, but also the one who later had his contract annulled after the NHL informed the team that Tkachyov was ineligible to sign due to a clause involving CHL players in the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement. A strange situation all around, but since then, Tkachyov has developed into a solid depth scoring winger. Tkachyov had a good playoff run with Salavat Yulaev this year, recording 10 points in 17 games as Ufa, a mid-pack team in the regular season, made it to the conference final. A few teams, such as Edmonton and Chicago, have been rumored to have interest in the winger, who could slot in as a third-line winger.

mf


Fri May 3 2019 9:33 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-agree-to-terms-with-vitali-kravtsov-and-igor-shesterkin/c-307187354

stevielegs


Fri May 3 2019 9:32 am EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/from-russia-with-goals-five-khl-players-who-could-sign-with-nhl-teams-soon

mf


Fri May 3 2019 9:14 am EST

Finally.... per the New York Rangers @NYRangers ·... OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms on an entry-level contract with forward Vitali Kravtsov and with goaltender Igor Shesterkin.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:45 am EST

There is probably something more up to date, but I found this article interesting: https://foreverblueshirts.com/who-is-vladimir-tkachyov/

Ranger47


Fri May 3 2019 8:28 am EST

FYI, the NYR have been linked to Tkachev in the past.... per Shumi Babayev @BabayevShumi... Vladimir Tkachev and Anton Burdasov next season will play in the National Hockey League. The teams will be announced later.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:17 am EST

NewHavenMaven @DHoranNHL.... #NHL Defensive prospects in their Freshman season in #NCAA Hockey.... Adam Fox (36GP-41pts 1.14ppg)... K'Andre Miller (26GP-22pts .85ppg)... Quinn Hughes (37GP-29pts .78ppg)... Cale Makar (34GP-21pts .62ppg)

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 8:10 am EST

CapFriendly@CapFriendly.... NY #Rangers have signed 2018 1st RD pick (9th overall) Vitali Kravtsov to a 3 year ELC.... $925,00 cap hit / $1,775,000 AAV... $832,500 Base + $92,500 SB in all 3 seasons... $850,000 in 'A' bonuses in all 3 seasons... *Contract includes a European Assignment... clausehttps://t.co/Lp0ImA3cio pic.twitter.com/51jDxbVgPx

Rhet0ric


Fri May 3 2019 2:35 am EST

Bob- Who knows, but it feels like a decade ago (it couldn't be, Fox was what 12 y/o then, but you get what I mean) I first saw someone post that they knew someone who knew someone who was a cousin with someone who knew someone that lived in the same dorm as Fox and that Adam was planning of playing out his college term and then sign as a UFA with the NYR of which he was a big fan. It was the same as with Shatty.

Ola


Fri May 3 2019 12:01 am EST

NICK - Ah Petr Smrek! Or maybe Larry Sachuruk?..and, c'mon Nick, you need plumbers and artists! CBJ has a little bit of both..hopefully enough to beat those effin Bruins! ..Didnt think they hd it in them but they deserved the win..Only series I am at least mildly interested in..

Hospo


Thu May 2 2019 11:57 pm EST

AVS shutout SHARKS to even their series 2-2. Impressive win for Colorado.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 11:52 pm EST

NICK.... I don't think the NYR's will be trading for Mark Stone nor do I think the VGK will be inclined to trade him.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 10:59 pm EST

Hospo I see him as Petr Smrek ...

Nick


Thu May 2 2019 10:58 pm EST

I’ll take Mark Stone over Panarin. And CBJ fluked Tampa as bad as the NYI did all season. And this Foligno guy on CBJ is a plumber and I hate guys like that. Go Canes. Past that I can’t work up an ounce of caring ... although I’d like to see the Sharks get bounced; DeBoer and all. Plus Vegas got robbed.

Nick


Thu May 2 2019 10:01 pm EST

How the hell did the BJs beat Tampa?

rF4l


Thu May 2 2019 9:19 pm EST

“Jesus Jillson” - LOVE IT! Talk about some glory days on the Wall!

newman


Thu May 2 2019 9:07 pm EST

This offseason, he will be the Pillsbury DOUGH Boy.

Bob


Thu May 2 2019 9:05 pm EST

In all honesty....the bread man came up a little flat tonight in a pivotal game.....He should be re-named "The Matzah Man"

tradestar28


Thu May 2 2019 8:52 pm EST

Panarin is a sneaky bastard. The way he stepped around the defender to wait for the one timer?

E


Thu May 2 2019 7:35 pm EST

Adam Fox signing with the Rangers is a nice story, but I am betting that is not the reason he wanted out of Carolina. More like his eyes are open and he sees the defense corps in Carolina and realizes there are 25 other teams where he would have a faster path to the NHL. The Rangers are one of those, of course.

Bob


Thu May 2 2019 7:21 pm EST

The bread man is having another great game

tlats


Thu May 2 2019 7:04 pm EST

... 5 29 300 New York Rangers @NYRangers · 3h "I grew up a big Rangers fan, and to have the opportunity to hopefully suit up for them is definitely special for me." - Adam Fox on signing with #NYR....https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/adam-fox-on-signing-with-rangers-definitely-special/c-307169194

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 6:27 pm EST

Good that the Rangers made it offical and signed FOX..Good deal by Gordo (I think) nd I love what I hear but I for one am not assuming he is the next Jesus Jillson!..actually hoping to god he's not..or a Thomas Poeck..I'll wait to see..Too many "real deals" have turned out to be anyhting but that for the Rangers..

Hospo


Thu May 2 2019 5:54 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman says on the 31 Thoughts Podcast that the salary cap may not rise as much as previously projected because so many big market teams were eliminated early.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 5:53 pm EST

So long PETER MAYHEW.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIwEZlOzp4

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 5:13 pm EST

Unless Dallas lands a bigger fish or Zucc doesn't want to sign there I'm pretty sure he'll be Star for the next few years. They are pretty thin up front and he really helps bolster that second line, which still isn't very good.

RDW


Thu May 2 2019 4:38 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/05/02/rangers-sign-recently-acquired-adam-fox-to-entry-level-deal/

mf


Thu May 2 2019 4:22 pm EST

Vic, there is no way in hell, Zuc will even entertain a 3 year deal, let alone at $4.5 mil. NONE. He is worth $5.5-$6 mil range on the open market and he will get easily will get a a deal at around $30 mil per 5 years. He makes $4.5 right now.. You want him on a 3 year term, get ready to offer $8 mil per... On a Panerin discussion. He is worth every penny. Let's agree to disagree here. When we signed him, he will end up being one of the best UFA signings. I can bet you, he will bet close to 100 points next season, maybe even more then 100. He got 87 this season, playing to Torts..

andrei


Thu May 2 2019 4:11 pm EST

I'm sorry folks, but Rangers are not resigning Zuc. Let's hope he loves Dallas and love is mutual. He is a very nice fit there on the 2nd line.

andrei


Thu May 2 2019 4:11 pm EST

Tradestar - LOL. I try to elevate the level of the English here...not the discourse, naturally, which I try to keep firmly pressed into the grade school level ;)

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 4:09 pm EST

ZERO surprise there. Again, baller move by Gorton. Just incredible acquisition. I know some of you are jaded about the NCAA...but FOX is a supreme talent...and one that is ready to go NOW, not in a couple years...This is no HAYES or VESEY signing. This is the real deal. My comparison for FOX? Cale MAKAR. Only he didn't cost us a fourth-overall pick.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 3:52 pm EST

NYR are reportedly waiting for Kravtsov and Shesterkin to physically sign their deals. Should come today.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 3:39 pm EST

"I grew up a big Rangers fan, and to have the opportunity to hopefully suit up for them is definitely special for me." - Adam Fox on signing with #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 3:39 pm EST

"I grew up a big Rangers fan, and to have the opportunity to hopefully suit up for them is definitely special for me." - Adam Fox on signing with #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 3:33 pm EST

NYR sign Fox.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 2:39 pm EST

Count me in on re-signing Zucc. Great player, plus bringing him back would be a major morale booster for the team.

VtRanger


Thu May 2 2019 1:28 pm EST

Rhet maybe they were adducted by aliens in Russian collusion.

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 12:19 pm EST

I guess McCrimmon was too competent to be considered as GM in Edmonton.

Bob


Thu May 2 2019 11:58 am EST

And talk about Cap Management! The Canes have the most cap room in the NHL and they are carrying two contracts (Darling- buried, Semin- Buyout) worth $5 Million. Of course, they kind of got lightning in a bottle with McIlhenney (Who was run out of town by Torts, lol!)

ColoradoMark


Thu May 2 2019 11:47 am EST

I doubt Zucc comes back, I was just saying I don't care what anyone says, he's worth it and will continue to be an excellent NHL player for 6-7 more years because he is the type of player the NHL is built for now. It's his intangibles that bring the most value. A lot of people are talking about Panarin and what it will cost to sign a free agent. Here's the thing. Just lik ethe damn housing market in Colorado, it doesn't matter whether you can justify the value. You aren't going to sign players for what last years prices were. The market dictates the price and there is no sense complaining about how overpaid guys are. You either pay or you suck. Granted, there are bad contracts and regrettable ones, but those contracts end up being below market value by the end of the contract (okay, not always, but Staal's contract is below what a similar guy would be paid now-before the brotherly love tap). I understand cap management, and I think Gorton has done a great job of not signing any long-term contracts (5+ years) but is that realistic if we want to jump back into the perennial playoff contender we were blessed with being for 10 years. We have a lot of young talent. Hopefully a good number of them become players. But sometimes you have to bite the bullet and pay.

ColoradoMark


Thu May 2 2019 11:17 am EST

So, are the NYR's never going to officially announce the signings for Shesterkin or Kravstov?

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 11:03 am EST

TD: I choose option C.......NEITHER. On MZA I would be willing to do a 3 year contract at $4.5 Million per year. If he wants 4 years it would be at $4 Million per year. I wouldn't do 5 years under any circumstances.

Vic


Thu May 2 2019 11:00 am EST

STEVIE: Agreed, that is a possibility. And yet another reason why they should walk away from signing PANARIN....

Vic


Thu May 2 2019 10:45 am EST

Too funny!! I find the opposite to be true. My daughter is a sophomore at college and my son is in the 11th grade and I find their workload to be a joke. I think as a society, we are fucked. Too much electronics and social media and not enough attention paid to basic social skills and common sense.

kitchen1


Thu May 2 2019 10:31 am EST

kitchen1....I may take u up on that with oldest kid and high school Math 2 honors.....Its crazy how much harder school is now from when we went.....

tradestar28


Thu May 2 2019 10:23 am EST

IIRC Chicago traded PANARIN to CBJ for SAAD.. That didn't work out too well for ChiTown, granted Crawford got hit with injuries, anyone think Chicago could be kicking the tires on PANARIN this off-season? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7873/stats

mf


Thu May 2 2019 10:19 am EST

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie.... Kelly McCrimmon is not in the mix to be GM of EDM. Remaining with VGK.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 10:14 am EST

Matthew DeFranks @MDeFranks.... Jim Montgomery on Mats Zuccarello: “He turned around and told me ‘Coach, we’re up 4-1. We’re having fun. Relax,’ at some point in the second period.”

Rhet0ric


Thu May 2 2019 10:13 am EST

tradestar28 Lol, I can help with the math as well ; )

kitchen1


Thu May 2 2019 10:11 am EST

Vic and if one of their picks becomes a Mc David , similar ripples will happen in 3 years.

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 10:05 am EST

Vic even if the nyr got Mc David for free , they could end up being Edmonton the sequel. Eberle and Hall had to be traded .

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 9:29 am EST

Vic - But that's kind of the point with ZUCC. You get him the puck and things happen. You're not signing him to be a banging defensive force...I think we also have to tap the brakes on KRAVTSOV and KAKKO. I think they'll both be in the NHL next season...but I see both having growing pains...I'm not sure I'd be ready to pen either into the top six. Maybe pencil. Not Sharpie though...Here's another hot take...you see what PANARIN brings...you see what ZUCC brings...would you take PANARIN at $11 million per over the next seven, or ZUCC at $5.5 million per over the next five?

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 9:28 am EST

TD: Those 3 will be making $30 Million plus combined. That is 36% of the Cap. And that doesn't include NYLANDER of course. The issue is that they didn't need JT. They already had enough offensive firepower. They needed to spend money on their D. Maybe they have some good prospects in the system but D take much longer to develop.

Vic


Thu May 2 2019 9:23 am EST

If I was to guess, Tdchi, RF4L and kitchen1 all did well on the English portions of their SAT's........every day my vocab grows reading their posts.....thank you fellas!

tradestar28


Thu May 2 2019 9:21 am EST

RF4L - Very interesting comment from Friedman..probably had their eyes on Cam YORK and after the monster series he had, they figured there was no way he'd drop to the second round...either that or maybe they had their eye on VLASIC and decided he wasn't worth their second rounder...I guess Bobby BRINK is another they might have landed in that realm of the draft...either way, I agree...FOX is the better player now. And probably in the long run too.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 9:13 am EST

Vic - What position is Toronto in? I had this argument with a Bruins fan the other day who was convinced that the Leafs screwed themselves and will never compete for the cup...Then I pointed out that NYLANDER will likely be gone...Toronto will assuredly get a top prospect and a top pick for him...probably a lot more...MARLEAU, I believe, is ALREADY gone(there was talk that he was going to be traded back out west)...that's MARNER'S cash right there...they have a triumvirate of great Swedish defensemen with the Marlies that are likely to come into their own in the coming year...I don't think Toronto is screwed at all. They need to make some changes for sure...but even a blind man could see that last season...fact is, carrying contracts for MARNER, JT and MATTHEWS...even if it DOES eat up more than a quarter of your cap space...well, that's half your offense right there...I tell you what: If the Rangers had that trio in the mix, I wouldn't worry one bit about their cap hit.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 9:10 am EST

On MZA....I loved the guy as much as anyone. But it would be a mistake to bring him back. I've watched every minute of him in Dallas through these playoffs so far. When he has the puck on his stick he is still a very good player. He is still creative and still makes fantastic passes. But honestly, when he doesn't have the puck he has been mediocre at best. Physically he has been way over-matched in these playoffs so far. He has been out-muscled for a few goals against as well. If the Rangers had no other options on the wing I would say they should consider resigning him if the price is right. But with KRAPSHOT and KAKKO on the way is there room???

Vic


Thu May 2 2019 9:04 am EST

RF4L - TROUBA is a legit first-pairing D who is going to be on the market. He does a little of everything and has a shot from the point that would be the best the Rangers have had back there in a LONG time...and no offense, but that scumbag Brooksie got the idea for Trouba from here once we started talking about him here...nevertheless, 'we' are not alone in wanting him...There are plenty on Twitter who are saying the same thing...because it makes a ton of sense...or at least it did...Now? I'm not so sure...I think the Rangers DO need a stud pivot to build their D around...I'm also pretty sure they have at least a couple in the making...I could see MILLER-FOX or HAJEK-FOX being a real ass-kicking pairing...but with big contracts to SMITH, STAAL and SHATTENKIRK...and with young players needing big ice...I just don't see the series of events that would lead to the Rangers landing TROUBA or RISTOLAINEN for that matter...I mean, I don't think FOX sees day in the AHL...and I don't see the Rangers wanting to give up on DeANGELO or PIONK quite yet...I also don't see them wanting to move on from SHATTENKIRK as a certain piece-of-shit fucktard beat writer seems to think...soooo...already crowded back there...I guess you could move BOTH Shatty and PIONK...maybe even in the same deal...and then open up a spot on the right for a vet...but what are the odds of that happening? I personally think Gorton is going to let the young players duke it out with the vets...show they belong over them...and then work from there...which if true, means we're not gonna be in the market for a RHS vet.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 9:03 am EST

STEVIE: If you are going to spend that kind of money then it has to be on a guy like McDAVID. He just turned 22 in January and has 3 100 point seasons under his belt already. And he hasn't even hit his prime yet. But you have the some considerations for sure. You have to have that kind of a dominant player if you are going to pay him that percentage of the Cap. And even then it will take some fantastic asset management to make sure you can build a Cup level team around him. McKINNON is one of those guys who will be 24 in September. I think MATTHEWS will be as well. He turns 22 in September. But the point is moot because all of those guys are unobtainable. You can try to trade for one but I doubt any of those teams would even pick up the phone. You can try to offer sheet MATTHEWS but the 5 first round picks you would lose would cripple your ability to build a team around him. If you want to look at the problems spending that much money on a player creates look at Edmonton. They have a young team but are in Cap hell. They have 1/4 of the Cap taken up by McDAVID and DRAISAITL. Meanwhile Colorado is paying McKINNON HALF of what McDAVID is making. McKINNON will be a UFA in 23'-24' while McDAVID will be a UFA in 26'-27. Hopefully the Rangers will have one of those guys in KAKKO or HUGHES. You really have to draft them because the cost of obtaining them any other way is too high unless you wait until they are in their late 20's. And then you making a bigger mistake by paying a guy for what he did in the past, not what he is going to do in the future.

Vic


Thu May 2 2019 8:59 am EST

Do any of our capologists know if their is a way to sign Panarin to an 8-9 mil/yr. AAV and bonus out some of the remainder of the $ to avoid the additional cap hit? I know that some of these contracts (i.e. Nylander) got a little creative with the structure of the deal. Perhaps there is no way, but I don't know that world in enough detail to understand whether it's doable or not. As for Zucc - I agree w/ some about the first rounders. He's having a great playoff for Dallas and quickly becoming a fan fave around there (the Zucc chants have begun). If they bow out to St. Louis, I think their is a better chance of him re-signing there. However, if they beat the Blues, I'm not sure that Dallas will want to give up 2 first rounders to sign Zucc longer term. It will be interesting to see how that unfolds. Anyone know when the Worlds start? Looks like Hughes will be playing w/ the big boys like Kaako. It will be interesting to start seeing the comparisons. And lastly, Go Canes! If they can sweep the Isles, which is looking likely, they will have a worn down CLB or BOS IMO. I feel like that series could go the distance and it's been a beatdown of a series for both clubs so far. Then again, CLB has Bob, who is playing out of his mind right now. That counts for a lot.

NCRanger


Thu May 2 2019 8:52 am EST

Bob - I like RISTOLAINEN...but really? The dude is an adventure on D. I guess if you're arguing the best defense is a good offense, I could see trading for him over TROUBA...but of the two, Trouba is BY FAR the more defensively sound...The only other way I'd take Risto over Trouba is if Risto comes at a discount...which I suppose is theoretically possible...but I doubt it...probably gonna pay the same for both and Trouba is most certainly the more well-rounded of the two...And with FOX in the mix, I don't see how Risolainen is a good fit unless he falls into our laps.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 8:37 am EST

ColoradoMark - Me too. ZUCC has a blend of heart and talent that you want on a team...will be great if we can land a first and a third for a rental and then sign him...a pair of firsts would be close to his value...but getting a second and a third for him to sign with another team other than the Stars and the Rangers? That will absolutely suck...unfortunately though, I just don't see him coming back...sure sounded like he had close the door on his tenure as a Ranger...and if you look at their forwards, I can sort of understand why...You have to think that either KAKKO or KRAVTSOV in the top six and assuming KREIDER isn't moved...and if the Rangers end up with PANARIN...well...it's getting a little crowded among the forward ranks.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 8:17 am EST

Watched the Isles-Canes last night and there are a couple hard truths Isles fans need to recognized...first and foremost is that Carolina's defense is just absolutely ROCK solid. SALVIN is looking like a first-pairing D. HAMILTON, FAULK and PESCE would all be first pairing guys on most NHL teams...and DeHAAN and Van RIEMSDYK on bottom pairing? Having a backline like that allows the Cane forwards to wage a very aggressive forecheck...and because they have a host of fleet-footed forwards...It's almost impossible for the Isles to breakout. In the third, every time they crossed into the neutral zone, they ran up against the Cane D...turnover...back into the Isles' zone...and Brind'Amour has them playing a real smart game...all about POSSESSION. They get the puck, they hold the puck...three passes, then a quick shot...regain possession...repeat. They ate like 10 minutes off the clock IN the Islanders zone...beating them to every loose puck...I imagine some of it had to do with speed...Carolina most certainly looks like the faster team...but when you're pinned in your own zone in a 3-2 game, it's tough to get someone to chase those loose pucks...and the Isles looked like they were skating in wet cement...Bottom line is they were never that good of a team and started buying the hype that the media was giving them and the mighty TROTZ-LAMEORILLO dyad. Truth is, they were facing a weakened Pens team that had struggled all year to regain the chemistry they lost after their last cup...and just about any team that would have faced them would have achieved the same results...I wasn't expecting them to get swept...and TBH, I kind of bought the hype...figured the Canes would be battered after a tough slog against Washington...but it's really looking like that time off not only didn't help them, but contributed to this false belief that the Isles are some sort of juggernaut. I think many of their players were already looking toward the next round.

tdchi


Thu May 2 2019 8:17 am EST

Vic would you take Mc David for that money? You’re still spending 1/7 of the cap . Which has a similar effect for the rest of the roster .

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 7:50 am EST

I think the only way we could possibly get zucc back is if they win this series and we get this years first. No way do they sign him and give up two first for Zucc. If they lose this series I could see them signing him, a first and a second is a good deal for both teams.

tlats


Thu May 2 2019 7:21 am EST

ANDREI: You said....."In your world, if you sign a player for 7 years and he gets 500 points playing for you, is a bad signing"....There is so much more involved in signing him then just that. Signing PANARIN means that the Rangers are going to have to spend 1/7th of the Cap on just him. Throughout the life of his contract that number may change to somewhere around 2/17ths of the Cap. Do you understand the implications of that? Do you understand how that will prevent the Rangers from being able to make moves to improve the team as they try to build a team around him. How they will force them to trade some guys away because they just don't have the Cap space to resign them. In order to justify spending that percentage of the contract on just one guy he would have to be the best player in the league (or top 3 at a minimum). A guy who not only puts up 100+ points without a problem, but also is the kind of guy that can put a team on his back in the playoffs and win Cups. PANARIN is a very talented hockey player without a doubt. But he isn't that kind of player. He never has been. And he will be 28 in October. To invest that kind of money in him would be insane. And to go back to your numbers....500 points over 7 years is about 71 points a year on average. Spending $12 Million against the Cap for a return of 71 points a year on average would be way more then just a bad signing in my world. It would be a horrific mistake....

Vic


Thu May 2 2019 6:01 am EST

Way to go fishstinks, give up 2 empty netters with game at 3-2 with 1 minute left.

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 5:19 am EST

Cmark I hope zucchini comes back too. I think he would like to. Unfortunately with the cap the gm has to plan out for 5 years, and I haven’t a clue if they can afford him, and just what he’s looking for. It seems they had a discussion earlier in the year , and it brought him out of his funk. Keep your fingers crossed.

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 5:10 am EST

Rf4l whatever happens with panarin the breadman, doesn’t make the debate moot. It will go on for 8 years whether he comes here or not. The gm needs to make a decision on pursuing him . The genius governor is good friends with his agent. All these young kids could learn a lot from him. Including what to eat and where in Brighton beach .

Stevielegs


Thu May 2 2019 1:16 am EST

Newf- NBC mentioned it. Happened 3 times. Blackhawks in 70 and 73 I think and Buffalo in 93!

ColoradoMark


Wed May 1 2019 11:33 pm EST

Nobody on TV has mentioned it yet but when was the last time a team won 4 straight in the first round and then lost 4 straight in the second ? has it even happened before ? Either way ,it will look good on the Isles !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed May 1 2019 11:18 pm EST

I don’t care how old Zucc is, I’d take him back in a second!

ColoradoMark


Wed May 1 2019 10:44 pm EST

Would Filippula be a good mentor for KAKKO?

Pal17


Wed May 1 2019 10:35 pm EST

Dallas up 4-1 going into the 3rd. Game getting real chippy. Go Dallas we’ll take the extra first

NCRanger


Wed May 1 2019 10:19 pm EST

Stranger: I don’t know amigo but Panarin is straight quick on the ice. He is always getting behind defenders with his first couple of steps. He’s just got an explosive first step. Not the fastest guy in the NHL but he is an elite skater.

E


Wed May 1 2019 10:11 pm EST

Just got back from the game.......gonna have a snack now......Islanders still suck in person.......LGR

tradestar28


Wed May 1 2019 9:52 pm EST

It took a while but inevitability with the Islanders has finally surfaced. The Canes aren't exactly a juggernaut of high-end skill but are superior from that perspective vs the Islanders. After Matt Barzal who do the Islanders have?

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 9:24 pm EST

Go Stars up 2-1. We need anotha first!

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 8:48 pm EST

Iceholes should of stayed in the Mausoleum. Would have been more fitting

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 8:47 pm EST

or... how sweep would that be,

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:45 pm EST

Could you imagine the ISLES getting swept after sweeping PITTSBURGH? How sweet would that be for NYI fans?

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:42 pm EST

CANES win 5-2 and up 3-0 in the series against the NYI's.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:40 pm EST

CANES up 4-2 with 50 seconds left.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:30 pm EST

Sounds like FOX is better than anyone we could likely draft in the next two second rounds and a lot further along. So it does seem like a no brainer....famous last words

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 8:28 pm EST

Rhet......just seeing his picture I was frightened! That guy looks like the Second coming of Scott Stevens......

Melvillefred


Wed May 1 2019 8:26 pm EST

Isles must be freaking uut right now. Down 3-2 to the CANES with .9:33 left in the 3rd.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:24 pm EST

RF4L fine by me.....I’ll wait but I can just see it 2 years from now, he won’t have won a Noris Trophy and we’ll be ready to sent him to Saskatoon.

Melvillefred


Wed May 1 2019 8:24 pm EST

FRED... I was very happy to get both HAYES & VESEY when we got them. I never called either of those players a stud. They were nice players, ADAM FOX is a stud.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:23 pm EST

They need to make Dolan step down. Remove himeself from the equation. I can dream!

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 8:21 pm EST

We didn't give up assets to sign Hayes or Vesey. So Fox is already on notice. ;-)

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 8:20 pm EST

MSG Shareholders Sue James Dolan for Not Spending Enough Time Actually Doing His Job.... According to a group of investors, Rangers and Knicks owner James Dolan has been spending too much time touring with his band instead of running the MSG company. Given how much he's getting paid regardless, he's getting sued.... https://www.12up.com/posts/6358725-msg-shareholders-sue-james-dolan-for-not-spending-enough-time-actually-doing-his-job/partners/43677

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 7:49 pm EST

Mfred...re set the hounds on the fox???

RF4l


Wed May 1 2019 7:45 pm EST

I find it funny that the excitement for Fox is the same as what we had for Hayes and Vescey. Wonder when we turn on Fox?

Melvillefred


Wed May 1 2019 7:35 pm EST

Prediction: Panarin will sign with Florida rendering this debate moot.

RF4l


Wed May 1 2019 7:31 pm EST

That Faulk jack in the box breakaway goal was effing awesome!

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 7:25 pm EST

Puck the Rangers have been attracted to aging vet players like a moth to flame. It has rarely worked out. Mess obviously being the biggest success in the history of the franchise. But all the countless other times getting burned, you would think the organIzation would have learned a lesson. Or at least be very leery as many fans are! LOL. I am split on Panarin, great talent, but small, russian in NYC, old'ish' for a scoring top line signing, not particularly fleet of foot. Never scored at the level he will ultimately be paid. (As in a perennial 100point guy). On the other hand, he will accelerate the rebuild. Most likely be the best player on the team for at least a few years. Make his linemates better. And I am not that concerned about his cap hit because by the time it may start to be an issue all the other big, stupid contracts will have expired.

NYStranger


Wed May 1 2019 6:52 pm EST

Vic, i got it. You don't like premium players. In your world, if you sign a player for 7 years and he gets 500 points playing for you, is a bad signing.. I got it. It's a Hall of Fame numbers by NHL standards, but not good enough for you.. Makes sense..

andrei


Wed May 1 2019 6:25 pm EST

PUCK: First, there was no Cap back then so it didn't matter. Second, MESSIER was a shadow of the player he was at 25 when he joined the Rangers. Maybe you don't remember but I do. But he was a much better leader by then. And at that time, the way the game was played then, he was still a great player.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 6:23 pm EST

STEVIE: How many players are paid $12 Million per year???

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 6:07 pm EST

Vic-based on your assessment of when players decline, we would have passed on the Messier trade ( he was almost 31) and unloaded Hank 13 years ago.

Puckyou


Wed May 1 2019 5:56 pm EST

I don't feel good about McIlheney (sp) vs Isles, I think they'll figure him out like we did Tokarski '14. Hopefully Mr. Azek heals fast.

LeoS


Wed May 1 2019 5:41 pm EST

Vic how many nhl players have scored 100 points per season for 8 seasons of their careers? ... besides tgo...

Stevielegs


Wed May 1 2019 5:17 pm EST

RF: I'm nearly pointing out that there is no evidence really that its guaranteed that a guy who plays in front of the net and makes their livings on redirects is gonna see their numbers taper off because of just age. Chris Krieder;s offense in all honesty is less off the rush and much more about a net front presence. I don't think that Chris Krieder relates to Pavelski in any other way. Pavelski is getting up there in miles and he's only seen a minor dip offensively. And I think Pavelski is the best player in the NHL at redirects. Its how he makes a living.

E


Wed May 1 2019 5:10 pm EST

ANDREI: This is the most frighting thing you have said so far..."Even if he is a 20/40 player, when he is 37, that's still a hell of a player, with over 1000 NHL points"....You absolutely cannot pay players for what they have done in the past. In a salary cap world that is suicide for your organization. You have to pay players based on what they can do right now and through the life of their contract. The 2nd issue I have with what you said is that if I'm going to pay a player $12 Million per year against the Cap then he absolutely has to be a no brainer 100 point player every single year (baring injury) for at least 3/4 of that contract. And I'll go on record right now saying that PANARIN never scores 100 points in a Ranger uniform.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 5:09 pm EST

Matt Porter @mattyports Marchand called Harrington punch “unnecessary” but doesn’t regret it. “It’s playoff hockey,” and he said DeBrusk was taking punches from two CBJs

Stevielegs


Wed May 1 2019 3:41 pm EST

Vic, of course it does. In no shape or form you can take a player from KHL, who only played KHL games and one from NHL, who only played in NHL and say they have accumulated same amount of abuse, physicality and wear and tear.. Common, man.. It's the same reason why older NHL players still can play in KHL and stay productive. Again, you can't apply same matrix to a different type of players. Some, will have a very long productive carer, long into the their 30th, and some won't play in the league, once they reach that 30 year plateau. High skill, high hockey IQ players are still playing great in their late 30th. Let me put it to you this way. In his prime, Panerin is well capable of getting over 100 points. He got 87 this year. Even if he is a 20/40 player, when he is 37, that's still a hell of a player, with over 1000 NHL points... To me, Panerin signing is a no brainier..

andrei


Wed May 1 2019 3:21 pm EST

ANDREI: It doesn't work that way. Just because he is a late bloomer in the NHL that is supposed to have some physiological impact on his biological ability to resist aging? Come on. You can't possibly connect those two things. Look there is no point in us arguing about this. I'll just make you this bet if you are willing and we can go ahead and put it on the rfccjc.com On the Record page. I'll bet you this. I bet PANARIN (wherever he goes) will be a difference maker in the first part of his contract [maybe first two years], a contributor for the next year or two, and then a flat out liability after that for the remainder of his contract. So if he gets an 8 year deal his contract and lack of production to fulfill that contract will be an anchor around the neck of the team who signs him for at least the last 4 years of that deal.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 3:09 pm EST

I have not seen enough of panarin breadman, but it seems to me he is an elite hockey player. Not many are elite with instincts and abilities to see the whole ice and slow it down in their minds. If he really is one, then it’s as the genius would say “ a no brainer “ ...

Stevielegs


Wed May 1 2019 3:00 pm EST

E: Not sure where the Kreider/Pavelski comparison fits here. If the Rangers had the latter vs the former in their cup final appearance, they just might have beat the Kings. Nothing against Kreider but he doesn't produce goals and offense at Pavelski's level. Pavelski has had seasons of 31, 41, 37, 38 and this year 36 goals and points consistently in the mid to high 60s. Alas, these are figures Kreider can only dream about.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 2:42 pm EST

Chris Krieder greatest asset has become a net front guy. Some guys have long careers there. Joe Pavelski is almost 35 I think and he is still a 65-70 guy. In fact, before this playoffs he only had one major injury in his career.

E


Wed May 1 2019 2:22 pm EST

Vic, there is a huge difference between KHL and NHL games. For one, KHL's season is 60 games and NHL's is 82. Speed and physical level is not the same. We can go on and on about the differences. There is nothing in Panerin's game would indicate that he would "slow" down. He is not a speed "demon", so you can say with age he will slow down. Panerin is not a power forward, so you can say that physical aspect will catch up to him. He is a very intelligent player with a superior hockey IQ and excellent hockey sense. These elements of the game do not disappear when you hit 30. Quiet opposite. They get better with more experience. Unless he will develop some kind of a chronic illness, he will be a top player for the next 10 years, let alone 7. Since he is a late bloomer, he is 2-3 away from hitting his prime. That is a difference between players like Krieder and Panerin. What you described applies 100% to Krieder, which is why i want no part of his future contract. Players with a low hockey IQ, rely on other aspects of the game, like speed, physicality, etc. Those skills deteriorate over time with the player getting older.

andrei


Wed May 1 2019 1:32 pm EST

Win-A-Pig's Byfugginuglyen has a M-NTC that kicked in with the 2018/2019 season... He's 34 with 2 remaining years at $7.6mill.... Wonder if their corporate office is thinking to trade The Buff and keep Trouba? And NO, I don't want the Buffalo for the NY Rangers although he' make Shattenshit very expendable...

mf


Wed May 1 2019 1:28 pm EST

USA Hockey @usahockey .... Forward Jack Hughes and defensemen Adam Fox & Christian Wolanin have been added to the 2019 U.S. Men’s National Team roster. #MensWorlds.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 1:24 pm EST

RF: I’m not for or against Trouba. He could be the answer. Don’t know. I do know that all things considered, the defense is not a capable defense. What I’ve seen and heard of Trouba gives me pause that he is Turnkey. I just don’t know. I think that the New York Rangers are lacking a collective top-4 and then the logjam of protected minutes with Shatty and Staal that frankly should be going towards 1-2 of the many yutes that are looking for their chances to get minutes.

E


Wed May 1 2019 12:56 pm EST

VIC: The player's WAG'S agree with you and confirm that the players "peak performance" is as you claim.... Little correction, each day is technically the same amount of time... Agree that this is not linear, hence "a Function of X" needs to be implemented... "KITCHEN-1" The Spring & Fall Equinox are not happy with you!

mf


Wed May 1 2019 12:51 pm EST

VIC: in definition of wear and tear I mean injuries. PCS, knee reconstructions etc... nobody in hockey is injury free. Only rarely are you really okay by normal human standards

E


Wed May 1 2019 12:46 pm EST

I think there's really only 2 people pushing hard for Trouba: TD and his buddy LB! ;^)

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 12:39 pm EST

I still do not get the love for Trouba I see up here. He is not better than the other right handed shot D-man in Winnipeg who is unrestricted this Summer. An unrestricted guy is a better buy now. So is Ristolainen, if he is available.

Bob


Wed May 1 2019 12:33 pm EST

Larry, Larry , Larry. Glad that you, once again, read the Wall for your inspirations. Thank you for confirming my point about Shitty. No team in NHL wants him. NONE. You either have to add a a very good asset, or take equally bad, if not far worst contract back.. Relax, Larry. Rangers are not buying out Shitty's contract. It makes no financial sense. Rangers are not buying Smith's contract either...

andrei


Wed May 1 2019 12:30 pm EST

Regarding LB's comments...While i agree the Rangers need a Top pair offensive D-man, I am not sure TROUBA is the guy or worth the potential price..I have seen both good and not so good from him..Just don't want him to be another Shattenkirk, even pre-Ranger Shattenkirk..Rangers better be really sure if they deal for him...

Hospo


Wed May 1 2019 12:22 pm EST

LB.... This was only Step 1 in addressing the defense. Major decisions, those that will require the authorization of the man at the top of the hockey ops directory, are ahead. A decision will have to be made regarding the future of Kevin Shattenkirk, who has two years at a $6.65 million cap hit per remaining on his contract. A corresponding decision will also be made regarding an attempt to deal for Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg’s impending restricted free agent who would become the Blueshirts’ first-pair righty should they acquire No. 8. The Blueshirts will almost certainly attempt to trade Shattenkirk and would be willing to pick up 50 percent of the cost and the cap charge to get it done. But they attempted to make such a move at the deadline this season and had few nibbles, and those came from clubs who insisted Gorton also take an onerous contract back in return. If they cannot trade the 30-year-old, they will have to consider a buyout that would create an additional $5.166 million-plus of space this season and $566,667 next year, while adding $1.433 million-plus of dead space to the ledger in 2021-22 and 2022-23. Brendan Smith is also a buyout candidate.

andrei


Wed May 1 2019 11:49 am EST

Ranger47. is simply isn't about just making the playoffs. I'm not jonesing for Panarin but I wouldn't have a temper tantrum if we signed him. He is a phenomenal player that can take over a game. When was the last time that we had one of those in their 20's?? And with a young and talented nucleus??

kitchen1


Wed May 1 2019 11:41 am EST

Vic: I know that I am in the minority here, but I agree with you that I think going after Panarin is premature. We need to see what we have and need this year and then position ourselves for a UFA signing or whatever is needed for the window starting the year after next. I think we'll have a good enough chance to make the POs this year without Panarin. But, I also get the point of those who want us to go after him.

Ranger47


Wed May 1 2019 11:40 am EST

It was mediocre at best, lol. Adding key pieces to the roster is essential through the draft and with trades/free agents. Yes, in a perfect world we would not have to sign free agents in their late 20's. But that is extremely difficult not to do and build a winner solely on home grown talent. If star free agents are forsaken for building only through the draft, the rebuild will take a very long time. I honestly think we are getting very close to being a dominant team in a far shorter amount of time than most here thought!! I have never been so excited about any of my teams' off season like I am for this one. I'm 52 and I am a Mets. Knicks and Raiders fan......enough said.

kitchen1


Wed May 1 2019 11:29 am EST

K1: So I take it you didn't like my analogy??? But really, did you take it as a condescending post? Because it wasn't meant that way at all. I was just trying to explain to ANDREI and E why I didn't want the Rangers to sign PANARIN.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 11:27 am EST

Vic, thank you for the pejorative. I was having difficulty discerning the summer and winter solstices.

kitchen1


Wed May 1 2019 11:24 am EST

Vic, thank you for the pejorative. I was having trouble discerning the summer and winter solstices.

kitchen1


Wed May 1 2019 10:32 am EST

There have been studies done to try to determine when a player is at his physical peak. I heard the discussion on the NHL Sirius/XM network a year or so ago. What they determined through mapping shift times of every player in the NHL over a series of years is that the age at which players are at their physical peak is 25. So I'm going to make an analogy of the physical development and decline cycle of a player to the changes in day/night cycles in the norther hemisphere. This is just an analogy to illustrate a point. Don't take this as word for word scientific correlation. I'm just trying to make a point. So the shortest day of the year is Dec 22nd. For the sake of argument lets call that draft day of a 17/18 year old player. From that day until June 22nd each day gets longer with respect to the time the sun shines. Lets again for the sake of argument call June 22nd in our analogy age 25 for that player. The peak amount of sunlight corresponding to the peak of a player's physical development. Even though the day is getting longer each day it isn't linear. At first in late December the difference is barely measurable. But every day the rate of change becomes greater until March 22nd. At that point while the days are still getting longer the rate of change starts to get smaller and smaller until the last few days before June 22nd the rate of change is barely measurable. Making the analogy to a player's development those first 4 years of their development are like the time between Dec 22nd and Mar 22nd. Their growth and development rate is increasing. But by the time they are 21/22 the rate of change of improvement starts to diminish until they hit their development peak at 25. Now here is the key part if you are still with me. From June 22nd on the days start getting shorter. Imperceptibly at first. But by the time Sept 22nd rolls around the rate of decline in the amount of sunlight is at its peak. From a player perspective think about this as the time period between 25/26 to 30/31. At that point the rate of decline is noticeable. Now unlike the day/night cycle things don't reverse. Players continue to get older and diminish. This doesn't mean that a player can't stay relevant and productive. Guys can recreate themselves to some degree to keep contributing like JAGR did. But physical decline is physical decline. With it come increased injuries and decreased speed, quickness and stamina. There is no way around it. There is no way to cheat age and time. PANARIN's body is already unable to do what he could have done a few years ago from a peak stamina and energy perspective. Is the difference noticeable now? No, probably not. But 2 years from now it will be very noticeable. And obviously this scale slides a bit either way depending on the player. But there is no way to know in advance if it will slide or which way. PANARIN could get here and start to fall apart next year. That is unlikely but it is possible. All you need to do is look around the league to see the decline of stars once they get close to 30 or over 30. And we have seen it on the Rangers roster time and time again. I don't want to go through it again with PANARIN. I don't want to have 1/8th of the Cap tied up in one player in his decline just when the Rangers are ready to start competing in a few years. GORTON has to have a little bit of vision here. He has to look into the future and walk away from this deal because long term it will cripple the Rangers right when they need the Cap flexibility most.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 10:08 am EST

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger .... As @Aportzline reported, no discipline will be handed out to Boston's Brad Marchand. I will buck the media majority. The punch, as greasy as it was, wasn't forceful enough to warrant supplemental discipline. Should have been a penalty.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 10:05 am EST

ANDREI and E: Two things with respect to PANARIN. First, this notion that PANARIN doesn't have much wear and tear on him is ridiculous. You make it sound like he just picked up the sport a few years ago. No, he has been playing hockey and training his entire life. Just like everyone else in the NHL. He is 5 months younger they EBERLE but PANARIN has played more playoff games then EBERLE so by your logic EBERLE doesn't have much wear and tear on him either. The second thing is that "wear and tear" doesn't determine when a player's game drops off. Age does. And PANARIN will be 28 in October. That means the second he puts on a Ranger uniform (or anyone elses for that matter) next year he will already be in physical decline. Not significant at first but it will accelerate each year. I'll explain in another post.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 9:58 am EST

RF4L: Actually, Toronto would have been ok with respect to the Cap had they not gone out and signed TAVERAS for huge money. That signing put them in the position they are in.

Vic


Wed May 1 2019 9:30 am EST

mf: Meaning $13,000,000 for 10 players and remember the Jets don't traditionally spend to the cap and I suspect would be loath to break that practice. They might ease their pain by signing one (or both) of Laine/Connor to bridge deals. Regardless, they're in tough for sure.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 9:29 am EST

FWIW, 2 of Elliotte Friedman's 31 thoughts from today: 17. The Rangers landed Harvard defenceman Adam Fox to their prospect base on Tuesday. If Dallas comes back to defeat St. Louis, one of the seconds for Mats Zuccarello becomes a first. (New York staffers are probably wearing green to the office.) This is Step 1 of what is expected to be an aggressive off-season. “Watch out for them,” a couple different GMs said. GM Jeff Gorton, armed with picks and cap room, has made it known he is going to be active. Teams up against the ceiling will need them as a potential partner, and the Rangers will want good players to ease your pain. And, they are sending signals they won’t be afraid to use an offer sheet. 18. New York made the Fox deal after the Under-18s. They must have compared him to what they saw overseas, and felt he was better.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 9:24 am EST

Rhet, be a dear and update his resume' to include #7) Crosschecking...

mf


Wed May 1 2019 9:03 am EST

Scott Wheeler @scottcwheeler ... Marchand has been suspended six times since 2011: ...1. Elbow (2 games)... 2. Clipping (5 games)... 3. Slewfooting (2 games)... 4. Clipping (3 games)... 5. Spearing (2 games)... 6. Elbowing (5 games)... He has also been fined for roughing, tripping and slewfooting. He’s owed no benefit of the doubt.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 1 2019 8:41 am EST

RF: the cap Target for next year is $83 Million...

mf


Wed May 1 2019 7:44 am EST

The shift in the NHL lately of who's getting paid is also coming with a shift of when in terms of success. A team with a bunch of young top end players seeking their 2nd (and sometimes, albeit not so much now) 3rd contracts are having to pay and this is occurring before team success is achieved. Previously, like in LA, Pittsburgh and Chicago, cups were won before the top end guys got their dough. The result is cap hell for these teams as the players age, dragging the team down because those players for the most part have become untradeable due to age and hefty salaries. Now look what's happening: The Leafs and Jets both have a bevy of young stars either being paid handsomely or about to, putting the organizations into cap hell. But neither team has won anything of merit. I can only assume looking ahead that if success continues to elude these teams, a star player (or 2) will be traded. At least in this scenario, the teams will have that option because the player will still be young and therefore, attractive to other clubs. Interesting times for sure and something Gorton and the new Ranger president need to be cognizant of.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 7:39 am EST

Oops...$10,000,000 to cover 10 spots.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 7:38 am EST

LB obsessed with Jacob Trouba, floating out yet again that Gorton will be chasing the always (at contract negotiation time) disgruntled Jet. I'm leery because he'll be seeking at least $8,000,000 on a long term deal and there's got to be better options out there. Plus the Jets are about to be in cap hell and will be seeking a significant return made up of young players, picks and prospects. Currently, they're at $55,000,000 for next year with 11 players signed, meaning they have 12 spots to fill/sign. Connor and Laine (plus Trouba) are the big 2 and will end up costing collectively at least $15,000,000 (unless the Jets are prepared to play hardball but that could result in extended hold-outs and considerable team friction). That means they'll have about $10,000,000 to cover 10 to 12 spots. Yikes. They cannot do, in other words, a deal like Kreider, Pionk and Fast for Trouba. Those 3 would consume 2/3's of the remaining cap space. I don't see a fit, unless the Jets sell Trouba low, which isn't likely.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 7:18 am EST

Hospo: Saw it on twitter but watched the bulk of the game on CBC here so no Shitbury to endure. Chara with a sucker-punch to the side of JT's head in a period ending scrum that knocked JT to the ice and now this crap. Nothing for Chara and no doubt nothing for Marchand. The Bruin owner is Jacobs and he and Buttman are butt-buddies. Gee, what a coincidence. Now that's a conspiracy I can see actually being real. And sickening. Gawd, I sure hope Buttman and the NHL (and the NHLPA) finally get theres when the concussion issues are finally brought to its proper light.

rF4l


Wed May 1 2019 4:20 am EST

Rhet did you read the one on aliens mating with humans on earth? .... maybe Marchand and chara are early versions. ...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 11:29 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC.... Pavel Datsyuk announces the SKA portion of his career is completed. Under Ken Holland, there had been discussion of a possible return to DET for next season. He is due in Michigan soon; we'll see where it goes.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 10:31 pm EST

RF4L... How does the media find the time while still having to cover up the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot and all those alien abductions?

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 10:26 pm EST

RF4L_ damn straight about those two and the whole freakin Bruin team...I missed the game and just saw the "highlight".That's as punk of a move I've seen..shoud be a 1 game suspenison..What did theat imbecile Milbury have to say about it?

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:53 pm EST

Adam Fox @foxyclean..... Time for some Ranger playoff hockey #BestTimeOfTheYear

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:41 pm EST

Ugly big nose phucker should be suspended out of the league. Him and Chara each need an eye gouged out so they cannot play anymore. The media's defense of both is equally disgusting.

rF4l


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:32 pm EST

MARCHAND should get a 1 game suspension for this: https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-nhl-to-suspend-marchand-for-reckless-stupid-move-at-the-end-of-game-3?fbclid=IwAR2DSWTIDiKLwsRHW8w_KIhWOoDcYenUA2UaFAUd47g7ax-KlKCNclO-ADg

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:13 pm EST

CBJ beats the Bruins 2-1 tonight, love it!

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:12 pm EST

Shattenkirk was a very good component of a sound defense that included: Jay-bow, Pietrangelo, a young Paryanko, Gunnarson, he's not a cornerstone guy to build a defense around..... The Rangers were a whole different roster when he was signed, I don't think he's a good fit for the current Rangers... jmon

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:05 pm EST

VIC: I also don’t agree with your Panarin projection. Panarin is getting better as time progresses. And he is in Tortorella’s dump and chase, bruising style of play. You sign him and catastrophe aside your gonna have 5-years of a guy who is gonna break 80-points in several of those seasons. Not even suggesting he’s on the menu. Not even saying that he makes the most sense long term. But Panarin the player? I think his mind hasn’t caught up to his skills yet. And he is lateblooming in part because he was an older kid. When they align? He’s gonna be worth what a team will pay for him. He’s a superstar, who is gonna play like a superstar, and he will thrive wherever he goes. As for me? Team structure aside? I find him just hella entertaining to watch. He just does things with the puck that few can in the league.

E


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:03 pm EST

Leafs Hub @LeafsHub Suspend Marchand. Greasy prick....http://bleacherreport.com/post/nhl/6e5f2d54-1868-4567-b8db-ca3f75589000

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 8:53 pm EST

TD: I think your only option would be to put Shatty thru waivers. His contract would be hard to lose. He is as HOSPO was pointing out really just a shell of who he was. We all know that. I’m not sure what it is. Sometimes, it takes a few years. I can draw reference to Hertl in SJ. He took a knee injury and he came back and just looked empty. He was leaving a lot of promise on the ice. He was well on his way to becoming a “what coulda been...” guy. This season he suddenly found it again and became the skilled and fast PF they thought he was gonna be. And it looks like the sky is the limit now. Given his more advanced age at time of injury (I think 2.5 seasons) I just don’t know if Shatty is gonna come back. He is in a logjam right now with some very talented guys behind him. And it’s real hard to give a kid protected minutes when you’re keeping your veteran defender in their spot. I say Shatty starts in the lineup. But I also think Shatty is in a perilous position. It’s not like he hasn’t been yanked by Quinn already. And I’m also not sure about his shoulder. For his woes, Shattenkirk never skipped a chance to finish his checks. Not a hard hitter, but he’d make contact. I didn’t see it at all last season. So, me thinks the shoulder is a chronic problem as well.

E


Tue Apr 30 2019 7:37 pm EST

Vic, just curious. Based on what you expect Panerin's numbers to drop in 2 years? Penerin's numbers are going up each year and he is not even reached his prime, yet. Panerin is a late bloomer, who is on his 4th NHL year. That's a low miles venture. To me, Panerin's signing is a better signing that Gaborik's was back in a day, and that signing was one of the better UFA's Rangers signings, ever.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 6:35 pm EST

Early line pairing prediction: Chytil centering Kakko

JFC31


Tue Apr 30 2019 6:04 pm EST

The Shesterkin, Kravstove deals will be made official tomorrow, I'm guessing they will also announce the signing of FOX too?

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 6:00 pm EST

NYR just made it official on their end.... New York Rangers @NYRangers.... OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired defenseman Adam Fox from the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for the Blueshirts’ own second-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft and a conditional third-round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft ...TD.... The success of a trade is commonly determined by how pissed off the other fanbase is :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:51 pm EST

Amassing prospects/picks, in part because you suck or screwed up (step 1), is not neccessarily a good job..What you do with the picks/prospects you acquired through sell off trades or just great draft position, in large part, determines that...And starting with the 2017 trading deadline it SEEMS like Gordo has done a good job in bringing in good young players to fit the coach and building up ammo for deals like today ( I think there will be more)..Hopefully this draft will continue that...and collecting all that talent and letting it grow will be the second step...The big step, and the time line will become clearer this off-season, will be recognizing the holes and putting together a Cup contending TEAM with vets to go along with the kids.....That will be the only thing Gordo will be judged on in the end...All in due time..

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:43 pm EST

Tdchi they have plenty of ingredients, but so far no soup just boiling water. Now it’s up to the mighty Quinney to make his roster hum, not ho hum . And for jimmyboy to hire a president that gets his generals to hire and make Hartford a farm team not just manure.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:39 pm EST

Vic - Simply put, you're wrong. He is absolutely a stud. Got to see a lot of him in the 2017 WJCs, the year Quinn HUGHES was drafted and was on the team. HUGHES had flashes of brilliance. FOX was knocking the doors off. Look, feel free to be skeptical all you want...but just about every pundit out there is saying the Rangers just pulled off a coup.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:36 pm EST

Vic - Let me put it this way: If the RANGERS thought there was any doubt that the FOX hype wasn't justified, they wouldn't have moved two second rounders for him today when they could have signed him for nothing in a year. They traded for him because the hype is not hype at all...he's the real-deal.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:31 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I don't blame them for being pissed, do you?

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:30 pm EST

stevielegs - I wouldn't have ripped this team down as far as GORTON did, but I can't argue with what he has amassed in such a short period of time...Granted, there was a little luck...KAKKO, for sure...but also FOX...not too often you have a guy who with that kind of talent who rolls through two organizations because(likely) both know he's got no intention of signing with them...but he landed the picks that got us ANDERSSON, K'Andre MILLER and LUNDKVIST, plus a guy who will likely be ranked higher than all of them with the HAYES pick. He acquired DeANGELO, who for his warts, is just a supreme offensive talent, HOWDEN, HAJEK, RYKOV and LINDGREN --all three of whom were better than anyone in our system, save for maybe Andersson and Chytil...then he shook the dice on KRAVTSOV, taking him over several safer picks and landing a guy who is now probably a safer prospect than guys drafted in the top 5...He turned an absolute zero in SPOONER into a classic Rangers reclamation project in STROME, who is looking like a find and a half at this point...And let's not forget that he landed GEORGIEV and PIONK for absolutely nothing...soooo...I'm sorry to see the Rangers' core broken apart to the degree it was...would have STILL would have liked to have kept HAYES and ZUCC...but we already have LEMIEUX...and there's a good chance we're going to end up with another potential top-6/top pairing player with the 18-21...I can't see many ways to screw that pick up...and wholly shit balls, he traded...he fucking TRADED iClod...That in and of itself is masterful...Time will be the ultimate arbiter...but right now, I don't know how we could be in a better position to contend than we are now...it might not be next year...but if the Rangers end up with someone like SKINNER or PANARIN into the mix? Good lord, there's a good chance this team is playoff bound...hell, they were ALMOST playoff bound last year until they decided to kick ZUCC and HAYES to the curb.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:21 pm EST

TDCHI - actually I disagree on Shatt and that there is a difference in the player they thought they were getting (with a home town discount no less!) and what they got..Forget about Shatt's putrid performance for the Caps in the POs..new player/new team sometime it works sometimes it doesnt...Is the Ranger's Shatt of his first two years the same as the Blues Shatt the last two yearS? In one regard, yes..He sucks defensively and makes bad decisions just as much now as he did with the Blues or visa versa....He's the same defensive player...But defense is not what the Rangers signed him for.....they signed him for offense and goals from the back-line, especially on the PP..And that's where he's a shell of what he was and has made zero impact for the Rangers on the PP...injury or no injury..119 games and 3 PPG! The assists and shots are way down too...This is not all team related--the rangers have had some talented men on the PP if they could find somebody to run it..Shatt isn't that guy anymore.. If he can't contribute, let alone run the PP, he's not worth half his contract...And while I agree somewhat that the Rangers are kinda committed to him in hoping beyond hope that he can find his offense and PP game, and he has history with DQ, I don't think the leash is very long and that they would deal him quickly for a half-decent offer..

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:17 pm EST

RHS D: Let each guy play 61 games, end of problem...

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:08 pm EST

Ranger47 - Frankly, I think the deal with PIONK is that when you look at who the Rangers have on the right...SHATTENKIRK, DeANGELO, and now FOX...the one guy who could A. be moved very easily; and B. who doesn't have high-end skill is PIONK. The guy has wheels, but he's never been a player you'd hang your offense on...defensively, he's OK...but can be abysmal and had some very rough games toward the end of the year...he does everything pretty good, but nothing excellent...and that's why I think he's the odd man out. DeANGELO brings edge to his game and is a slick mover on offense...the kind of guy who can take over a game...PIONK just doesn't have that...SHATTENKIRK ain't going anywhere anyway...but he's a guy who took less to come play for a team he clearly loves...And nonetheless, I doubt he's going anywhere...The only question I have now is whether they move him now or after FOX makes the team.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 5:00 pm EST

andrei - See, I think you and a lot of other Ranger fans fall into the trap that the Rangers didn't know who SHATTENKIRK was before they signed him...or that his defense has dropped off...He's the same EXACT player who was in St. Louis and Washington...almost zero difference, especially this past season. I think the big difference is that he's been on a team that was really kind of a mess...his first year was injury plagued...and last year, the team traded away two of its top-six players...The options with Shatty are give the guy another year, buy him out or trade him by eating salary...and I think the Rangers are firmly in the first camp.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:57 pm EST

RF: In that scenario, I want to give EDM the net benefit to lower their Cap hit the first two years, and for that they have to pony up elsewhere in the trade... LUCIC after a year or two will hopefully have some value, and if we then need to eat $1mill per for two years, the receiver of LUCIC gets him at $3mill per.... If he gets hurt, it's LTIR (big deal), if we have to buy him out after two years, not so terrible...... Again, I want to find a trade partner who needs a RHS Dman (shatty) and needs to dump salary this offseason...........

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:41 pm EST

Hopefully shatenshit comes back in shape and goes back to what his role should be, a ppqb. Add the breadman, and the nyr might be able to make a playoff sandwich. These kids need playoff experience next season. Watching it on tv , and playing golf is not what they need.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:40 pm EST

BOB - I'm not a huge fan of Pionk but, in the 1.5 years, I hav seen a pretty smart and dependable players who has shown stretches where he has been very good defensively and also smaller stretches where he puts his offensive game together..can he put them all together? I wouldn't lump him with Faulk or Clendenning just yet...As for DeAngelo, he indeed has some skills and dynamics that Pionk doesnt..but he also has the arrogance/selfishness/decision making for offense that gets him in trouble defensively..I saw the same player at the end of the year as I did in the beginning..Offensively gifted and skill, has some jam, but all over the ice whenever he feels like it...If and when somebody can reign him in or he can be more selective, he will be real interesting..JMWO

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:39 pm EST

VIC... I agree. Pionk was pretty amazing at the beginning of the season, when he carried the team for about two weeks(anyone remember the end-to-end rush?). I'm not ready to give up on him yet. The kid has talent and we need to see what we can get out of him before we deal him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:31 pm EST

BOB, that has been the general statement about DeANGELO and PIONK around here but I don't buy it. PIONK has a lot of skill. DeANGELO might be a better skater. However, when it comes to hockey sense I think PIONK is MUCH better then DeANGELO. And when it comes down to it that hockey sense and consistency is what keeps guys in the league. DeANGELO has to get there otherwise he just looks flashy from time to time but isn't a guy that helps you win games.

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:28 pm EST

TD: No, the Rangers got a kid that put up a lot of points in College hockey. We have a long way to go before he can be called a stud. I hope we get there but based on past history if you asked me right now what are the odds that he becomes a stud in NY my answer would be about a 25% chance. Lets see how he looks in camp and preseason before we start throwing any accolades out there about him. If he looks awesome I'll be the first one to yell about how great he is. But until then.....

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:28 pm EST

Tony D has skills and ability that Pionk doesn’t. Pionk getting all of the ice time he got is more of an indictment of the weakness in the Rangers D corps than it is a testament of his ability. He will likely go the way of Clendening and Faulk ( the non-Carolina one). Hang around, bounce around some, and end up as a #6 or 7 in Ottawa.

Bob


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:23 pm EST

Wildcard - Barnaby's description is spot on. There's a reason his offensive numbers have been consistent. ZUBOV...very interesting comparison.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:23 pm EST

Which brings me back to PANARIN. I know some folks want him on this team bad. But after what the Rangers have done so far I really just want them to stay out of the UFA deep end. Stop going after shiny objects. Stop trying to build the top end of your team the wrong way. They have a lot of young, talented kids and prospects now. I'd rather see them looking at second and third tier players who can complement them, provide some leadership for them and protect them as they develop. If the Rangers drop $12 Million per year on PANARIN on a long term deal I can guarantee you that he is going to fail miserably in NY as measured by that contract. He will put up points the first year or two. But after that it will be RICK NASH all over again for another 5 or 6 years. A guy who eats up a massive chunk of the cap yet doesn't produce even half of the points to justify it. And that will come at a time when these kids are actually ready to compete. When a key player or two could really help them team to win but they won't have to Cap space because it will all be tied up in PANARIN. Just say NO. Not this year. Hopefully not any year. They aren't ready for a player like that and by the time they will be he won't be that player. Grow from within and use free agency to acquire complimentary players, not stars! Don't do it JEFF! You need look no further then SHATTENKIRK to see why. These deals NEVER work out!

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:19 pm EST

Mike Grinnell @MikeGrinnell_ 3h Adam Fox is only defenseman in college hockey over last 20 years to average over a point and a half per game. The Rangers just got an absolute stud.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:16 pm EST

mf: Why the confusion over salary consumption? Lucic makes $6,000,000 and Shattenkirk $6,500,000. Favours the Rangers for years 1 and 2 because the former for 4 more years and the latter for 2. It means the hit for the Rangers comes in years 3 and 4. Risky because players like the Rangers will have players like Andersson, Howden, Chytil and Hajek coming off their ELCs and looking for pay increases. 2 things: Can Lucic still be reasonably effective in the bottom 6 (albeit overpaid there for sure) and is Jesse Pul worth making that deal for? If the latter is really a question mark in Gorton and team's eyes, then no deal.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:11 pm EST

On the PIONK vs DeANGELO debate.....DeANGELO really did a lot last year to lift himself in my eyes. Before that it was a no-brainer to me that PIONK was the better player. Yes, PIONK did struggle at times last year. But basically that was his rookie season in the NHL whereas DeANGELO has been bumming around for a few years. I still believe that PIONK is going to be a really good player in this league and I still like him over DeANGELO right now. But, I'm actually more frustrated that we are having this conversation at all. Because the real reason for this conversation is SHATTENKIRK. If he were not here (and I was dead set against his signing from the start) then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. Yet another shiny object, high dollar UFA signing that the Rangers regret well before he is even half way through his contract. Hell, this has been a case of buyer's remorse since before the ink even dried on his contract. Right now PIONK and DeANGELO are both better then SHATTENKIRK. It is why I desperately want him moved this off season.

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 4:03 pm EST

First, on FOX. Hopefully this kid works out but I don't buy any of the hype and I am basically writing him off until I see how he plays against men at the NHL level. I went looking for his highlights and I see A LOT of wrist shots from the point that went in. I see a lot of secondary assists on other folks goals. I see a lot shots that aren't going to go in against NHL goaltenders. What I don't see is a lot of hightlights that show him to be some kind of dynamic skater like BRADY QUINN. Maybe he is buy I'm just not seeing a lot of that in his highlights. He seems to handle the puck well and skate well. Yes, he moves well laterally. But I need to see how he looks against NHL level talent. Right now I have strong doubts that he is able to step right in and play in NY next year.

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 3:53 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello 3h3 hours ago More Hearing that Fox will also join Team USA for the World Championships. (Rangers assistant GM Chris Drury is the GM for USA).

RDW


Tue Apr 30 2019 3:43 pm EST

RF: who writes your material? Tue Apr 30 2019 2:24 pm EST.... We'd have to get a better deal from EDM to take on LUCIC... Specifically, I'd be willing to eat $2.65 mill per on SHATTY, if they'll eat 2 Mill per on Lucic... Too rich for EDM? I'd be willing to eat $2mill per on Shatty "IF" EDM will eat $1.5mill per on LUCIC... The thing is, we keep LUCIC 1 season, possibly two, then eat $1mill or $1.5 mill and pray someone bites.... Since they aren't parting with Bouchard, and signing FOX eliminates that train of thought, I want to also swap a draft pick with them "in our favor." .... Next: Is PULJUJARVI going to turn it around?

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 3:21 pm EST

stevie: Let's see what Gorton does at the draft. If he makes a move or 2 to add a young veteran(s), then I'd say it starts this fall. If it's more jettisoning of vets for prospects then it'll be at least another year. I strongly believe it won't be the latter - Gorton has accumulated an impressive number of young assets with more to be added in June via the draft (including one of Hughes/KK). With the right moves, there's no need for a 3rd year of losing and stripping down. I mean how many assets do you actually want? You cannot accommodate all anyways.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 3:00 pm EST

RF4L - agree that DeAngelo has more talent but, as you point out, his lack of stability, maturity (but he is young) and his penchant for selfish play is worrisome..Hopefully he grows out of it and/or the Rangers make the right read..It's not always about keeping the most skilled player but the player that best fits the team and its' needs...As for FOX, I wouldn't assume that he right away becomes a fixture on the NHL team..Kid likely has alot to learn and hopefully the mindset to accept it if the team says so...Ditto with Kakkao and guys like Krapshot and any other of the Russians that come over...The Rangers will play them when and if they are ready (just look at Howden, Hajek for two examples)

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:53 pm EST

Rf4l so when does the so called 5-6 year Cup window begin? The gm is on the hot seat, until he tries to blame the coach or otbg if this doesn’t work. ..... the more time it takes, the more it’s leaning to jd becoming the next Nyr President . ... whoever it is , they will turn the heat up on the gm too.... unless they follow in the footsteps of rip van winkle Nero sather...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:52 pm EST

stevie: I don't disagree but I think if Gorton had decided his team wasn't far off and he tinkering instead of initiating the rebuild, AV would probably still be around (or would have for this past season) and we'd be looking at a high pick this June, but without all the young assets accumulated last year. Again, rebuild's don't happen overnight and patience is needed here.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:51 pm EST

Carolina fans are pissed about FOX or pissed at FOX. Either way, they're not happy about the trade.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:50 pm EST

Wild: IMO, DeA has considerably more talent than Pionk, especially offensively. From that standpoint, it's easy for me to decide of the 2 who stays and who goes. However, DeA's lack of stability concerns me. How close to the edge emotionally is he and how non-surprising would it be to see him kicked off the team sometime next year due to yet another indiscretion? The Rangers of course, are much closer to understanding that than we are. If there's a real concern about his ability to keep himself in check, then for sure if one has to go, I could see him being that person. I just think with Fox in, one of those two are out.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:47 pm EST

Rf4l a big reason for this situation was because of av. He couldn’t get the chalice, and basically forced the gm’s hand . Hope he does the same or worse for the cryers.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:40 pm EST

rf4L: I am not certain on who, DeAngelo or Pionk to move. They both have their upsides and downsides. I think part of it will be what Fox brings....While Deangelo and Pionk are similar, DeAngelo brings a bit more grit so he may the the one to keep. However Pionk is jsut starting out and his upside may be higher, but who knows really...and with Fox I think Pionk is the closest, at least on paper, to what Fox is, so they are really the redundant players. It is not a easy answer thats for sure....at first blush I say trade DeAngelo....but that is based in part he was brought in and Pionk was a Rangers prospect....

Wildcard


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:34 pm EST

stevie: If you're of the belief that tinkering was all that was required (which meant AV would likely still be the coach BTW) for the past 2 years, then I see your frustration. For me, however, this rebuild was the only course to pursue given the mediocre roster and the barren feeder system. Rebuilds do not occur overnight.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:31 pm EST

Let's see, smallish ginger offensive d-man that grew up in the TRI-state. Hmmm....where have I seen this before...

limbo


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:31 pm EST

Wild: Who would you rather have traded: DeA, Pionk or Fox. From where I sit, these are 3 similar players and it makes sense that one gets moved.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:29 pm EST

Also, guessing 3 things with Fox: 1) Going totally UFA opens the field too widely 2) The Rangers want him in the fold now (re this fall) 3) Fox's 1st choice may be have been the Rangers but it's quite possible he was open to other teams. Bottom line: If he's a legit top 4 d-man, this was a no-brainer deal. We'll see...

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:29 pm EST

Rf4l they are the Nyr angers. Alias the frustrangers...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:28 pm EST

Pionk: As I have said in the past, he finished the season with the second most ice time per game of all skaters on the Rangers. He was never looked at to be a number 1 or number 2 guy...if he was playing a 4/5 role he would probably look a lot better and people woudlnt be so sure he is not an NHL defender....he was also basically a rookie. Its amazing how quickly Rangers fans write off players. Its also amazing how poor Rangers fans in general are at evaluating defensemen. I have had the pleasure of knowing for some time a scout (works across the pond now for Euro teams) and to have met a few others who work around the states, and how they evaluate D is something I have picked their brains about, and I have asked them about Rangers D, and their takes on them are so very different from what fans here and other places say....honestly its really a NHL fan in vernal thing, more than just a Rangers fan thing. Anyway, other teams and their scouts have a higher evaluation of Rangers D than fans do. I am not saying those teams think they are all allstars, but they see them as more than 3rd pair, AHL/NHL players.

Wildcard


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:26 pm EST

Rhet: Do you mean bungling?

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:26 pm EST

stevie: So angry all the time! LOL...

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:25 pm EST

RF4L... Packaging up assets to get a better one sounds great to me, just as long as we stay away from that bundling nonsense.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:25 pm EST

Why is the gm giving up those precious picks when Fox would be for free next year ? ..or maybe not..... Nyr are loaded for bear or bare .... and consecutive Cups someday....it says so in Wikipedia it must be true.... and verified by wallpedia....

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:24 pm EST

As Vic has cited, moving Shattenkirk may only occur via taking on another lousy contract in return. How about Shatty and Vesey to the Oil for Lucic and Jesse Pul?

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:22 pm EST

Sorry for the multiple posts - the wall refreshed itself several times!

Ranger47


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:21 pm EST

I'm surprised so many have given up on Pionk. I think he has a good upside and he's young (and still relatively inexperienced) for a D most of whom in the past generally matured and improved through age 25.

Ranger47


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:21 pm EST

I'm surprised so many have given up on Pionk. I think he has a good upside and he's young (and still relatively inexperienced) for a D most of whom in the past generally matured and improved through age 25.

Ranger47


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:21 pm EST

I'm surprised so many have given up on Pionk. I think he has a good upside and he's young (and still relatively inexperienced) for a D most of whom in the past generally matured and improved through age 25.

Ranger47


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:19 pm EST

TD, i think there is plenty of issues that Rangers management have with Shitty. For one, he is not performing for what he is getting paid. Somehow, you have a much higher rankings on Rangers players, then most people do. Technically, to me, he was the among worst defenders on the team, full of borderline AHL's.. Gilmore is not an NHL d-man. Smith is not an NHL d-man. Pionk is a 7th d-man on most teams, and AHLer on others. DeAngelo was not an NHL d-man at the begging of the season, and since, started to come around, but still have a lot of question marks. Shitty is a borderline NHL player right now. Skjei is a 5-6 d-man on most teams, and Staal is a bottom pair d-man as well. So, no, i'm not high on current Rangers d-man core. Much rather watch Foxx, Hajek and Lindgren and see if Skjei and DeAngelo improve. Let's hope that Shitty comes ready for the camp, or he will end up in AHL rather sooner then later...

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:17 pm EST

Matthew Barnaby @MattBarnaby3636 For those that haven’t seen Fox play. Very Zubov like. Great laterally walking the line. Very patient. High end Offensive D

Wildcard


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:13 pm EST

tlats: Andersson is also on that list in the 28th spot....4 of the top 50 according to TSN....thats not bad, especially when one of those guys is considered to be number 1....

Wildcard


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:13 pm EST

With any combination of Shatty, Deangelo, Pionk, Fox on the RHS there is no stay at home, crease clearing, your gonna pay the price when you come into my zone Defenseman on the RHS.... Even when you try to pair one of the aforementioned 4 with a LHS D'man, the closest we have is STAAL, and that's just not his game.... I don't believe the Rangers are going to try to Rehabilitate Brendan Smith into that kind of D'man, he does have it in him, but that boat certainly seems to have sailed.... Do we try to sign a stop-gap as in MCQUADE for 3rd pair duty? Then again, the 3rd pair guy on the LHS is STAAL and that would defeat the purpose of having a stay at home guy paired with a puck moving guy...................... andrei: re: SHATTY: I get your point however there are worse contracts out there on teams which are desperate to create room. The Rangers are not in a state of desperation "cap-wise." I still think we can extract some picks / prospects from a team wanting to unload a bad contract.... agree to disagree?

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:11 pm EST

Andrei - I'm with you on SHatt....and don't think he is the type of vet you want showing and teaching the kids....Staal is another story......As for Pionk, it MAY be the end but me thinks it's too early to give up on him..He had his issues last year but so did DeAngelo.as did SKjei...Why not go into camp with all of them, including Fox, Hajak and Lindgren, and see what happens...Say good bye to Claesson and I think SMith , if anything will mostly be a 4th line forward.....Shatt is the albatross an albatross they need to shed...but it might not be doable at his cost unless they eat some--it can be done.......It would also be real nice to have a tough phsyical vet D-man brought in to mix with the kids..

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:10 pm EST

trade: The Rangers had 3 picks (if Dallas goes out as I believe they will against the Blues): Remember, they also have Tampa's 2nd rounder. I, too, think giving up the 39th overall pick is regrettable but if Fox is the real-deal as many are suggesting he is, it's worth it. I also concur that Pionk is likely trade-bait. I still maintain Gorton is looking to package up some assets to make a big add at the draft. What, for example, would a package of Kreider and Pionk fetch? Again, I'm not predicting the jettisoning of Kreider but I'm certain he's available for the right price.

rf4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 2:03 pm EST

andrei - while I agree PIONK is likely the odd man out...I think you're assessment of SHATTY isn't wholly accurate. I don't think they have any issues with him at all and are comfortable keeping him as a veteran on the blueline. And I suspect there hasn't been any serious discussion about moving him...with or without assets.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:57 pm EST

I have literally not been this excited about the NY Rangers since the mid 80s when the Rangers took Ulf Dahlen and the Hockey News reported that he was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ in every edition.....

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:55 pm EST

NY Rangers now own three of the top 12 - Top 50 NHL-Affiliated Prospects (For stats and more go to TSN.ca): (Rank Name Drafted Team Current Team) 1. Vitali KRAVTSOV NY Rangers Traktor Chelyabinsk 2. Grigori DENISENKO Florida Panthers Lokomotiv Yaroslavl 3. Cale MAKAR Colorado Avalanche University of Mass/Amherst 4. Cody GLASS Vegas Golden Knights Portland Winterhawks 5. Troy TERRY Anaheim Ducks San Diego Gulls 6. Martin NECAS Carolina Hurricanes Charlotte Checkers 7. Eeli TOLVANEN Nashville Predators Milwaukee Admirals 8. Quinn HUGHES Vancouver Canucks University of Michigan 9. Ilya SOROKIN NY Islanders CSKA Moskva 10. Igor SHESTERKIN NY Rangers SKA St. Petersburg 11. Erik BRÄNNSTRÖM Vegas Golden Knights Chicago Wolves 12. Adam FOX Carolina Hurricanes Harvard University

tlats


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:53 pm EST

Pete....thanks for the clarification.....That is great news in case the Stars come up short.....We will still have a pick in the 2nd round, albeit a little later in the round

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:51 pm EST

And I can easily see Gorton making more moves for DEFENSE at the draft! Fun times in RangerTown, eh, guys and girls??

JFC31


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:49 pm EST

2 second rounders(let's face it, the kid is gonna get 30'games easy unless he....gasp!....gets injured) is a high price but I like this move. We need to upgrade our D BIG TIME and what I've read about this kid makes him sound like Hughes-lite....smallish, but very quick with his feet, good anticipation, reads the play very well, great first pass, great transition-maker and pushes back defenses with his rushes. And make no mistake about it, this move was made easier by coming up BIG with the #2 pick.

JFC31


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:49 pm EST

tradestar - If Dallas wins this round their 2019 2nd round pick becomes a 1st. If they sign Zucc, then their 3rd round pick in 2020 becomes a 1st.

pete


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:47 pm EST

Not sure this means the immediate end of the PIONK era. FOX most likely will need some initial/back&forth time in HARTFORD. I can see PIONK moved at the 2020 TDL or Draft.

limbo


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:46 pm EST

tradestar - LOL! See some Ranger fans are pretty psyched.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:45 pm EST

mf, you are not getting anything back for Shitty. You have to add to trade him. It's a net negative trade. Rangers are not going to pick up 1/2 of his salary and add a prospect, like Day or a 2nd rounder to trade Shitty.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:34 pm EST

That is a lot to give up, especially considering I could almost guarantee that condition is met...BUT...I said it before and I'll say it again: Were FOX in the draft THIS year, he'd be going top-10. The guy is elite. We got a 21-year-old NHL-ready defenseman who has the type of mobility that make all the existing Ranger RHS blueliners look like slugs. He can hop into the play in a blink, and yet stay in position. He's not going to thrill anyone with his hits, but he's positionally sound and not prone to the brain farts of the other puck movers...I tell you what: I could see him and HAJEK being a dominant pair that are going to be fun to watch for years to come.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:30 pm EST

It is going to be a big May Day for entry level contracts for the Rangers. Not all prospects work out, but they sure are accumulating a bunch of them. They will add Kakko to the group as well. Pretty exciting stuff.

Bob


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:25 pm EST

From WIKIPEDIA.........Adam Fox (born February 17, 1998) is an American collegiate ice hockey defenseman currently playing for the Harvard University men's hockey team in ECAC Hockey.[1] He was selected by the Calgary Flames, 66th overall, in the 2016 NHL Entry Draft. On June 23, 2018, Fox's NHL rights were traded to the Carolina Hurricanes.[2] On April 30, 2019, Fox’s NHL rights were traded to the New York Rangers. He has been referred to as the player that will guide the Rangers to consecutive Stanley Cup Championships.

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:24 pm EST

andrei...thats cool.....my great grandfather came to USA from Lithuania in 1894...landed right on Ellis Island......hehe

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:21 pm EST

IF PIONK is moved we'll recoup the cost of FOX... I'd rather move SHATTENKIRK and his $6.65 Million nut.... We'll get back way more in a trade which includes SHATTY.

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:19 pm EST

RF73, Rangers will sign him. Would not be surprise if signing is announced within next 24 hours.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:18 pm EST

trade, USA, but as you can tell, i'm am, originally, from Europe.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:17 pm EST

"Fox was ranked No. 12 on TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button's annual list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects in January."...I guess a 2019 2nd & 2020 conditional 3rd is a decent price to pay...if they can sign him???

RF73


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:15 pm EST

Now, the hockey Gods should open up the sky and have the Dallas Stars provide the Rangers the 1st rounder from the 3rd rounder by beating the Blues........Rain down hockey pucks over NYC

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:14 pm EST

andrei.....are u from North America? or do you live in Europe?

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:08 pm EST

Can't see Rangers keeping both Pionk and DeAngelo now. I think Pionk is an odd man out.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:07 pm EST

Gotta give it to Gorton. He’s having a hell of a rebuild right now. He’s bringing in a lot of feel good stuff. Feeling optimistic about what’s happening right now.

E


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:05 pm EST

https://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-men/2019-02-23/college-hockey-harvards-adam-fox-has-true-mark-great-player

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:04 pm EST

Adam Fox: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/16228

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:03 pm EST

Good work fella's... So, a look at our RHS D'men: PIONK, DEANGELO, LUNDQVIST, FOXX, are all 5'11 +/- an inch and 185 LBS +/- 5 lbs., SHATTY is listed at 6', 200lbs...... A very attainable RHS D'man MORITZ SEIDER listed at 6'4" 185 LBS - who just turned 18 on April 6, 2019 and probably not see the NHL for 1-3 seasons.... This kid checks a lot of boxes to be brought along as our 3rd pair RHS D'man...... Great pickup by GORTON, ..... now we need KAAPA COCKO, a Forward of the WALLSTERS choice, and MORITZ SEIDER ...... https://twitter.com/thedraftanalyst/status/1071807844524154880

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 1:03 pm EST

The condition on the 3rd rounder is that if FOX plays in 30 games in the 2019-20 season, the pick then becomes a 2020 2nd Round pick.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:59 pm EST

Like, I mnentioned before, Adam FOX wants to make the jump to the NHL now and doesn't want to wait another year. If we don't overpay a bit to get him now maybe he accepts a trade to another team and we lose out on him altogether.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:59 pm EST

I have zero clue about FoX, but if he is as good as some here have mentioned, good and bold move by GORDO to get something the org really needs..We had the ammo, might as well use it!.Only time will tell..

Hospo


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:57 pm EST

Had feeling this trade was going to happen. It's not a late 1st, but a early 2nd is pretty darn close. Got a very good, ready to turn pro player and gave up one less asset to trade up with in 2019. I wonder if Gorts put out trade up feelers and figured this pick would not be in play.

limbo


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:56 pm EST

Man, I am fuckin stoked! LET'S GO RANGERS!

tradestar28


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:55 pm EST

Great move getting Fox IMO. My guess is some people will think we gave up too much but the fact of the matter is we have a ton of picks so....

RDW


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:55 pm EST

Adam Fox is an absolute stud.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:51 pm EST

The Carolina Hurricanes have traded prospect Adam Fox to the New York Rangers for a second-round pick this year and a conditional third-round pick in 2020, according to TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie. McKenzie adds that the Rangers are in the process of finalizing an entry-level contract with Fox.

RF73


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:48 pm EST

mf, The Carolina Hurricanes have traded prospect Adam Fox to the New York Rangers for a second-round pick this year and a conditional third-round pick in 2020, according to TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie. McKenzie adds that the Rangers are in the process of finalizing an entry-level contract with Fox.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:47 pm EST

Any truth to this? https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1766045

mf


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:44 pm EST

Done trade. Rangers are getting Fox for the NYR 2nd in 2019 and conditional 3rd in 2020.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:43 pm EST

Adam Fox is Rangers property. They gave up their 2nd this year and a conditional 3rd next year. According to Brooks.

Bob


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:39 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC Following Following @FriedgeHNIC More Elliotte Friedman Retweeted Luke DeCock He is going to NYRElliotte Friedman added, Luke DeCock Verified account @LukeDeCock Sorry, unclear: Looks like Hurricanes have a trade done with Adam Fox. 1:36 PM - 30 Apr 2019

RDW


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:32 pm EST

tdchi, you don't have to agree or disagree with me. It's is really has no relevance on what Rangers are doing. It's not about trading players for the sake of trading and going "all-in" with kids. Rangers maid the decision that NONE of the current 25 and over players, that were on the 2017 roster, were to be part of the team they are building. Plain and simple. So far, they are sticking to that plan. Why 25 and over? Obvious answer. They have had a 5 year plan in place, where then current players, just simply did not fit that vision. Rangers are building the brand new core. It starts with Ziba and they were hoping that Skjei was a block on D, which now looks like he is not. On another note, can we please stop comparing Rangers to Oils/Iceholes and Canes. None of them have any validity to what real rebuild should look like. Oils are one of the worst NHL teams, period. It starts with the owner and front office. Oils are run by the committee of the "old" guard and it is killing the Edmonton team. Horrible, horrible scouting department, where from 2006, Riley Nash/Klefbom/Rieder are the best player drafted outside of the 1st round. Not to say that Rangers drafted well from 2006-2016, but Stepan has more NHL points then entire set of players Edmonton had drafted in the later rounds in a span of 10 YEARS!!! Difference between Rangers and other teams, is that Rangers had a 10 year run, where they accumulated assets other teams were interested in and Rangers turned those assets into high picks and so far, they have backed that effort with the solid drafting. Again, for any "horrible" team you use as an example, i can give a team that did well with a full rebuild. How about them Hawks, Pits and Kings? It is never about stripping the team down and going with the full roster of kids. it is always about asset management. Rangers did the evaluation and figured out that NONE of the current "older" players are worth keeping and building around. Had Rangers have valuable vets, to the team, they would have kept them. Now they are looking at adding Panerin to the roster. So rebuild is continuing, while foundation blocks are being added. At some points, some of the those accumulated assets will be used in a trade to get the upgrades where team is needed them.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:31 pm EST

Luke DeCock ‏ Verified account @LukeDeCock 4m4 minutes ago More Sorry, unclear: Looks like Hurricanes have a trade done with Adam Fox.

Bob


Tue Apr 30 2019 12:13 pm EST

There's been an Olof Lindbom sighting! Apparently, he's going to play for Mora IK in Allsvenskan next year. What that means I've no idea. Lindbom won't be 19 until June.

rF4L


Tue Apr 30 2019 11:53 am EST

andrei - That kind of GM'ing...trading anyone who is over 25...is a stupendous way to end up with a bottom feeder for the next decade. The Oilers, Sabres and Islanders are prime examples of teams that gave the keys to the franchise to a bunch of kids in their teens and early 20s, only to spin their wheels for years...Hell, the Canes are another one until they went out and signed Justin WILLIAMS...young players with their youthful exuberance is great and all...and then you get to the real show, where the rubber hits the road...where the guys who don't know what it's like to slog through an 82-games season only to have to play another 20-plus in the playoffs are the ones overwhelmed...and if you think the Rangers are going to simply divest themselves of all their veterans...well...then you haven't been paying very close attention to the cues Gorton has been making...The guy has been taking a scalpel to the team, not a meat cleaver as you suggest. And they're better for it in the long run.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 11:47 am EST

re: NEAL - Meh? I wouldn't be opposed to him...but let's just say his season wasn't what you would call a stellar one...he was a healthy scratch in the playoffs and there was talk about how he seemed to be dogging it...I'm sure Calgary would be willing to pay at least something to divest themselves of him, as that contract is going to really start to take on a stink if Neal doesn't/can't rebound...but there's just no way...positively ZERO...that they take SHATTENKIRK back for him...not even in a one-for-one swap...the Flames are absolutely loaded on D and with young blueliners. It'd make even less sense for them, seeing as though they're going to need to pay out TKACHUK this season, and lord knows how much that's going to cost...complicating matters even more, the Flames have frittered away a lot of draft picks in the past few years...and Stockton right now is perhaps the only AHL team that is as much of a joke as the Pack...maybe even moreso.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 11:16 am EST

Vic - I don't really get that assessment of NAMESTNIKOV. Dude had 31 points playing largely third line with a revolving cast of characters. He was third(!!) on the Rangers in hits...and before you discount this stat, it's very much in keeping with what I saw on the ice from him...guy is a little buzzsaw. The irony is that Ranger fans, who constantly want their team to be tougher and more physical, bag on him and he's one of their most physical players...but even discounting that, he's an all-purpose player who earned every penny of his contract despite what some fans may think...I like LETTIERI and hope he stays Ranger property...but man...he isn't close to the player that Namestnikov is...It's not that your opinion is at odds with most fans...it's actually not...I listen to folks dump on this guy constantly...and the irony is that the two places where I would expect to find folks at odds with their opinions of him...the advanced stat kiddies and the beat writers...they actually AGREE on the guy's utility...I know there are going to be some changes coming up...hell, they need at least two roster spots to fit KAKKO and KRAVTSOV in...and that's before considering whether they chase PANARIN...but NAMESTINKOV is not one I'd be jumping to move.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 10:59 am EST

Vic, sorry. Want no part of Boyle part2, or Neil. Having Boyle in the lineup, does nothing for this team. Only UFA forward i want Rangers to go after would be Panerin. If you want to look into another 4th line banger, i'm o'key with Devante Smith-Pelly as well. Other then, let's kids make the roster. Having Smith or Smith-Pelly in the lineup should be enough of protection.

andrei


Tue Apr 30 2019 10:37 am EST

Vic: I just don't see Neal at this point getting any better. The game is getting faster and has been getting faster for a few years. He's done nothing but slow down. I'm with you on getting rid of Shatty but he only has two years left on his contract. I'd rather wait that out than commit to 4 more years of Neal.

RDW


Tue Apr 30 2019 10:13 am EST

RDW: The NEAL thing goes back to my post last week where I suggested exploring a trade with Calgary where the principle players in the deal were NEAL for SHATTENKIRK. NEAL had a down year for sure last year. But if I can get rid of SHATTENKIRK and his contract I would gladly take NEAL and his contract back. SHATENKIRK is a crippling factor on D. He sucks defensively and hasn't contributed offensively since he got here. If the Rangers are going to get better defensively then SHATTENKIRK has to go. I'd rather take a chance on NEAL bouncing back then SHATTENKIRK. But the only way I take on a contract like NEAL's is if I'm unloading the SHATTENKIRK contract in the process.

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 10:00 am EST

Vic: Neal had 19 points in 63 games last year and is making 5.75 for another 4 years. Why on earth would you want the Rangers to trade for that?

RDW


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:41 am EST

As I mentioned about Fast yesterday (?) I think he can play a defensive conscience on a checking 3rd line with 2 offensive players, but like Vic mentions about Stinky I do not see either as a 4th line player on a Cup team. As such, unless Stinky turns his offensive output on he and Fast become redundant players and one should go at the next reading deadline or sooner. And, IMHO, at Stinky's salary he's the more likely.

Ranger47


Tue Apr 30 2019 9:30 am EST

TD: At 5'11" and 185lbs STINKY is far from what I want on my 3rd and 4th lines. I like his effort but he cannot play and effective, physical game at his size. He needs to be offensively productive to be able to contribute. In a lot of ways he is like a better version of LETTIERI. I love the effort and the heart. But if they aren't producing they aren't really doing much to help the team because they simply can't play a heavy game. Ideally, I want all 4 of my lines to be able to play a heavy game but at a minimum my 3rd and 4th lines HAVE TO. We've talked a lot about the skilled players that the Rangers might draft or acquire. But I don't think enough attention has been paid to the need for the Rangers to become bigger, heavier, grittier and much harder to play against. That is why I want to keep KREIDER and add players like NEAL, MYERS, LOWERY, BOYLE, etc. I'm not interested in trying to trade for or sign top line players or top pairing D. Those players need to be drafted for the most part. Sometimes you can find a moron GM to make a BRASSARD for ZBAD type swap or a GOMEZ for McDONAGH type swap but those kinds of deals are few and far between. I'm much more interested in using trades and UFA signings to address depth issues. Those types of trades and signings are much less expensive both from an asset and Cap perspective. The Rangers are always so focused on shiny objects. But they really need to be focused on the nuts and bolts of the team.

Vic


Tue Apr 30 2019 7:08 am EST

Hospo - I don't really get your beef with NAMESTNIKOV. He's actually exactly the player we want for third or fourth line. Might be a little expensive at $4 million...but he's a guy who can easily slide into the top 6 if there's an injury...also...I can't remember exactly the genesis of the conversation, but he's a guy who was getting praise heaped on him from a number of unlikely sources...both the stat kiddies and some of the pro journalists...guys like him and FAST are perfect players...if we had their sort during the 2011-2012 cup run, we might...well...have a cup.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 7:01 am EST

mf - Chris STEWART struggled last year...in the British league. The guy hasn't been relevant in the NHL for well over five years. The only PTO I'd give him is to play for my beer league team.

tdchi


Tue Apr 30 2019 6:51 am EST

I know almost nothing about Mortiz SEIDER...Looks OK, but frankly, I suspect there will be better, safer picks at 18-22...Like I said a few days ago, with CAUFIELD rocketing up to the top 10, there could very well be some serious talent that gets pushed down. And at this point and in this draft, with the very real prospect of us landing FOX as a free agent or a trade, I wouldn't be worrying about defensemen. Our system is filled with them.

tdchi


Mon Apr 29 2019 10:34 pm EST

I Got a good idea for who to sign. Lets see them bring back MZA.

E


Mon Apr 29 2019 9:27 pm EST

Is it me or does the Dallas barn sound eerily quiet for a 2nd round playoff game. Shit, they’re only down by 1 with a bit less than 10 to go. Get off your fat asses and cheer for your team. Pathetic

NCRanger


Mon Apr 29 2019 9:04 pm EST

Trade -- Gotta give Namestnikov credit, he has devolved himself from a skill player to a 3rd/4th line role playing pest....But maybe that's what he always was when not riding the TB coattails...But that made him 4 mill per!..and that's why they should get rid of him at the ealriest possible moment.

Hospo


Mon Apr 29 2019 8:13 pm EST

No Offense!?!? Some of us have feelings you know. ;-) OK, I'll come up with another candidate to throw against the Wall. Something will stick... Eventually

mf


Mon Apr 29 2019 8:02 pm EST

oh.....and let's go Stars!!!

tradestar28


Mon Apr 29 2019 7:59 pm EST

something that is interesting is how the higher up brass on NHL teams will analyze and assess the current playoffs and the makeup of teams that have advanced. in other words, we had 4 pretty decent sized upsets with the wildcards beating the top tier teams. with that being said you can see that these wildcards all got very consistent goaltending. so maybe goalies will have a little bit more of a premium in value when it comes to trades, acquisitions, development and drafting. the 4 wildcards didn't have huge star power offensive or defensive players in the mold of the past recent Stanley Cup Winners - Caps, Pens, Blackhawks and Kings. So maybe this year is more of a fluke....or maybe there is some sort of formula that works having cohesive teams hitting the stride at the right time.

tradestar28


Mon Apr 29 2019 6:58 pm EST

No offense, but Chris Stewart sucks. There are better players in the ECHL.

Bob


Mon Apr 29 2019 6:51 pm EST

tradestar. Guess who is a UFA after 2019/2020? Namestnikov is good as gone, so are both Krieder and Vesey... Strome, on another hand is a RFA and will be playing for his next contract. So far, i think, i have a pretty good track records identifying all players that were traded. People were laughing when i said two years ago that every single player over 25 will be gone.. Only seven left from the list(Hankie, Staalzy, Krieder, Vesey, Shitty, Smith, Fast) and possibly only Fast is a part of the new core.. Ziba was 24 back then, so was Skjei.

andrei


Mon Apr 29 2019 6:39 pm EST

RF: Watch it pal!

mf


Mon Apr 29 2019 6:38 pm EST

Gorton's response regarding the NYR re-build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_71w4UA2Oxo

mf


Mon Apr 29 2019 6:16 pm EST

Namestikov is not going anywhere until he is a UFA. Unless Rangers get an offer they can't refuse. He is a veteran hard working leader

tradestar28


Mon Apr 29 2019 6:03 pm EST

Andrei, I do not agree with everything that you say but this is spot-on!! There has always been a plan with Gordo and this is it. I know some people on here like to criticize him but there really is no merit to that!! It takes time and I think they are doing things the right way for the first time since I honestly don't know when....and I believe that starting with next season, it will be accelerated. JMHO of course. We are on the right path. If anyone thinks differently, they are not seeing the forest through the trees. We at going to be an elite team sooner rather than later......

kitchen1


Mon Apr 29 2019 5:20 pm EST

Mf...find out if Stewart is working out with Bouchard will ya!! ;^)

RF4l


Mon Apr 29 2019 5:10 pm EST

MF - why on earth would you even want to consider Chris Stewart? Every team he plays for doesn't want to keep him--there's a story there..Couldn't even be of significance for the Nottingham Nimrods this past year..He is not the vet presence the Rangers need..They need something much more dependable...Stay away from him ...And what's wrong with a "player of color" enforcer? Reaves hasn't been all that bad

Hospo


Mon Apr 29 2019 3:56 pm EST

Stevie: I'd like to hear/read that the NYR's reached out to CHRIS STEWART with something like, "Chris, get yourself in tip-top shape and you can expect a PTO from the Rangers over the summer... What I don't want is for him to be our guy that is expected to drop the gloves, I want him for Vet presence and a tough physical N/S game.. Stewart can probably be had for less than $1.5 mill (I'm being very generous here) .... To be perfectly blunt, I do not want a "player of color" designated as our enforcer....

mf


Mon Apr 29 2019 3:48 pm EST

Fir all of you, who thought that was no plan, hope you start reconsidering your views.. Plan was very simple from the begging. Teams have 5-6 years to go for the cup. Rangers with the 2017 roster were not going to win anything and was getting old and expensive. Pits is getting old, quickly, so are the Caps. Another 3 years, and those teams will be in rear view. In 3 years Tampa will broken apart, due to the payroll issues. Boston will be too old. Leafs are going to be in cap hell for many years to come, so i don't see them challenging the east. Isles? Florida? Idea is to rebuild the team from scratch to compete for the title in 4-5 years. Methodically, peace by peace. 2 1st rounders in 2017, 3 in 2018, possibly 3 in 2019 and possibly 2-3 in 2020. That's a hell of jump start.. 11 of possible 23 roster spots taken by home drafted and home grown players? That's unheard of.. So no one should be surprised that whole sale roster sale took place, and still going. Gone: Stepan, Raanta, Holden, Grabner, Nash, J.T. Miller, McDonagh, McQuaid, Zuccarello, Hayes. Will be gone by 2020 trade deadline: Kreider, Namestnikov, Vesey, and one of the Pionk/Deangelo, possibly Staal. Look who is left from 2017 roster and might still be on 2021 roster? Hankie, Skjei, Fast, Staal, Smith, Shitty and Ziba. If this is not a complete rebuilt, then i don't know what rebuild is...

andrei


Mon Apr 29 2019 3:12 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger 5m5 minutes ago More Vitaly Kravtsov posted a goodbye message to Traktor Chelyabinsk on his Instagram page earlier. KHL contracts for Kravtsov, Igor Shestyorkin, and Yegor Rykov expire after tomorrow. #NYR

RDW


Mon Apr 29 2019 2:41 pm EST

bickle not buckley auto correct....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 29 2019 2:33 pm EST

But you probably won’t ever see again a rupp, Buckley, prust throw down . That was a big part of rivalries. It gets the adrenaline pumping.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 29 2019 1:55 pm EST

"IF" we're going to target LAVOIE or KALIYEV it sure looks like we're going to have to trade up.... As for my incessant desire to continue to pick at least 1 RHSD man in the 1st round, one of these websites has MORITZ SEIDER available with the pick we got from Win-a-Pig, and the other does not.... I think it's imperative to get a top 15 pick in "addition to" Cocko, AND to land SEIDER.... We've got the pieces to get it done, but will we? --- Two websites for the 2019 NHL Mock Draft: http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/ ------- https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/

mf


Mon Apr 29 2019 1:20 pm EST

I'd like to see the Rangers do what it takes to get 3 1st round picks... After Hughes/Cocko, they should try to land a Forward AND then MORITZ SEIDER, the big RHS Dman..... 3 such picks would be awesome

mf


Mon Apr 29 2019 1:19 pm EST

Stevie: rivalries ignite from competitive hockey. Playing games that actually mean something will get tempers up and games will be more entertaining. Having Hughes and Kakko drafted 1-2 will give us hopefully our own small OV vs. Crosby war. That would give us some NJD games to enjoy. And while most New York Rangers fans relish the moribund status of years of NYI, I’ve actually hated it. For years I’ve dreamt of the New York Rangers, NYI, and NJD locking horns in competitive hockey. It’s never really happened. But now? I see a NJD team that’s improving, a New York Rangers team that’s trending upwards. Hopefully, in the next 2-seasons we see fighting for playoff position. That’s what I hope for.

E


Mon Apr 29 2019 12:55 pm EST

Hajek, Lundkvist, Rykov, Lindgren, Howden the Jets pick, the Stars pick (hopefully)

tradestar28


Mon Apr 29 2019 12:55 pm EST

Stat Boy @StatBoy_Steven .... Henrik Lundqvist (SWE), Alexandar Georgiev (RUS), Filip Chytil (CZE) and potential future Ranger Kaapo Kakko (FIN) will all participate at the Carlson Games in Brno this weekend. It's the final tournament before the #iihfworlds2019 #NYR

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 29 2019 12:54 pm EST

I forget Kravtsov.....fuck the Rangers are stacked on paper....hehe

tradestar28


Mon Apr 29 2019 12:52 pm EST

Stevie....the intensity of the rivalry will kick up ten fold very soon.....The Debbies will have Hughes and a few other young studs currently rostered.....Rangers will have Kakko-Chytil-K'andre Miller-Lias Andersson-B. Lemieux-Buch-Deangelo........These are all guys who PLAY to WIN and are young. The Flyers will have AV....lol.....and the Iceholes are the team who went furthest in 2019 from old Patrick Division. Caps and OV and Penguins with Crosby and Malkin are old hat.....but they aren't going anywhere any time soon......well maybe Malkin will be in the summer

tradestar28


Mon Apr 29 2019 11:41 am EST

E it seems to me, the Nyr have lost their passion for rivalries. Maybe because they are too young, and were not here for them, including the coach.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 29 2019 11:38 am EST

Rf4l afaic the gm has no more excuses. He should have a Perennial Cup contender in 1-3 seasons. If not, he should be fired .

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 29 2019 11:29 am EST

TD... Agreed, but it's way too small of a sample size to determine anything about his future. In my book, he's still a question mark.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 29 2019 10:47 am EST

Rhet0ric - four points in five playoffs games is pretty good for a kid who had an awful first year in college and was looking to be a question mark when he signed.

tdchi


Mon Apr 29 2019 10:04 am EST

Kinda funny how NYI fans can dwell on woulda / coulda had John Tavares as well if they just you know... had a front office with half a clue of what they’re doing. Now they’re all dialed in behind the bench and upstairs? What woulda / coulda been. Oh well... I want the NYI to be competitive. I want a real rivalry again. I’m tired of seeing passionless and anemic hockey in the tri State Area. Hopefully, things will be more intense.

E


Mon Apr 29 2019 9:54 am EST

Playing a defense first, trapping system and counter attacking like the Islanders do tends to make defensemen look better than they are. I think that is what is going on there. Not that their defense is terrible, but it is not as good as people think and they don’t have 3 #1 guys back there.

Bob


Mon Apr 29 2019 9:37 am EST

TD: And if you look at the players who've been moved the past 2 deadlines all but 2 were pending UFAs who may or may not have been resigned anyways. Of the 2 that weren't one was a year away from demanding a significant contract (and he got it from Tampa) and the other was at odds with the organization so basically had worn out his welcome. Gorton has done very well for sure and I concur deserves some accolades for his work. I also agree the Rangers are facing a key off-season (as I've been saying for a while) assuming of course, they aren't interested in deadline sell-offs next February. Gorton has indeed amassed an impressive array of young talent - now it needs to be developed appropriately. In addition, adding a couple of young players with NHL experience via the trade route needs to be done, preferably players who aren't bottom of the roster material.

rF4l


Mon Apr 29 2019 9:31 am EST

TD... Is Oliver Wahlstrom really ripping it up in the AHL? First, he was mediocre at best at Boston College, then he had 3 points in 5 games in the AHL regular season and currently has 4 points in 5 games in the playoffs. If that's the benchmark for ripping it up, we then should consider STEVEN FOGARTY a Superstar.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 29 2019 8:26 am EST

mf - Gorton's deadline deals have been downright masterful. I remember saying that nobody was going to be fully happy with them...but he did about a good as a GM could do at the deadline...I had my issues with the Tampa deal...but right now, Gorton has turned MILLER, McDONAGH, HOLDEN, GRABNER, HAYES and NASH into HAJEK, HOWDEN, LUNDKVIST, Joey KEANE, Ygor RYKOV, K'Andre MILLER, Brendan LEMIUEX, NAMESTNIKOV and STROME...PLUS, he's got at least one...possibly two 2019 first rounder...an extra second and possibly a 2020 first rounder...I question whether the return for ZUCC will be as good as the player we lost...but in HAYES case, if we land the 18th or 19th overall? We are going to get one hell of a player...the latest mock draft I've seen us taking Arthur KALIYEV...and to land a player like him? Or LAVOIE? That would be epic...Now the crazy part is that on top of all this young talent Gorton has amassed, we STILL have ANDERSSON, CHYTIL, KRAVTSOV and now KAKKO. This is an absolutely crazy amount of talent on this team...I would not be surprised at all to see CHYTIL have a breakout year next season, much in the same way BUCHNEVICH did...Soooooo...does Gorton need MORE first rounders? Or to move up in the draft? Not by my book...If we end up with the Stars' pick at 28 or 29, I would love to package Tampa's second to see if we could sneak up to 20...and I would love to get a crack at drafting TURCOTTE or ZEGRAS...but I suspect we'd need to package the Stars' and Jets' picks to make that happen...And if your choices are getting one of those players or...say, KALIYEV and say Bobby BRINK or Phil TOMASINO...well...I think you're better off keeping the picks you have...as I mentioned a few days ago...I would find it interesting to package KREIDER and GEORGIEV to try to land a top prospect and the 8th or 9th overall...but I honestly don't see the Rangers doing a move like that...Gorton is reaching critical mass with the talent he's brought in...this coming season is about evaluating who is working and moving guys out who aren't so that there are spots for the young players.

tdchi


Mon Apr 29 2019 7:54 am EST

The Islanders aren't a bad team at all...they got a very good young core and I wasn't surprised at all by them making the playoffs...their big issue was putting all their faith in a guy like HALAK, even though three other teams came to the blisteringly clear conclusion that he's not an adequate starter...The key with them, of course, is that they caught LEHNER, who was always a good goaltending prospect, after he dried out and got counseling...but they also got a hell of a season out of some of their young blueliners...Ryan POLUCK is looking like a top pairing defenseman...MAYFIELD and PELECH also had great years...Look, these Islanders aren't going to the finals...there's just no way I can see them emerging in the east...and their fucktard fans probably don't realize that the Penguins they beat were limping into the playoffs and appear to be on the verge of their own rebuild(as fantastic as that sounds)...so I think there was a lot of chest thumping...that they managed to sweep them WITHOUT JT...and meanwhile in Toronto, JT is already on the golf course...so those clowns collective heads got pretty inflated...nevertheless...even if the Canes DO eliminate these guys...don't count on the Islanders being a bad team...they've got so much talent that is coming down the pike right now...WAHLSTROM, right now, is ripping up the AHL...then Noah DOBSON is on his way...he got traded to a good QMJHL team and is looking like he'll be a top pairing guy for many years to come...And Bode WILDE, who apparently had some 'issues' had one hell of a year in the OHL...And then there are guys who are going to likely land next year...Sebastian AHO and Otto KOIVULA are another couple who could really help the team...and there are signs too that Michael DAL COLLE isn't the bust he was looking like...Hell, there's even a chance Ol' HOP SING pulls it together...though I would be willing to bet he gets moved at the draft...bottom line...and it's not one I like saying too often, but the Isles are going to be a formidable opponent for years to come unless guys like LEE and NELSON follow suit and leave the team...but it's not sounding like that is likely.

tdchi


Mon Apr 29 2019 7:17 am EST

mf - You're missing a HUGE part of the NASH deal...not only did we get LINDGREN and ultimately STROME, but we also got K'ANDRE MILLER. We got the Bruins' 26th overall pick, and then packaged it with New Jersey's second rounder that we got in the GRABNER deal to grab Ottawa's pick at 22...So the deal technically will be GRABS and NASH for RYKOV, MILLER, STROME and LINDGREN. That's one fucking hell of a deal, IMO. The Rangers are going to get AT LEAST three roster players...probably all four have productive NHL careers. MILLER could end up being a star.

tdchi


Mon Apr 29 2019 7:05 am EST

I find it all boring for the most part...

rF4l


Sun Apr 28 2019 11:42 pm EST

There's a guy eating sushi in a car in the lower level of the stands at the basketball arena that the NY Islanders play their second round home games in. They played their first round games in a run down barn an hour and a half away. If they win this round, their 80 year old has-been GM will ask the league to play their home games in Florida near his nursing home. What a great model professional hockey team! I can not believe their franchise player elected to leave that fabulous hockey organization! Fuck the Islanders!!!!

MC


Sun Apr 28 2019 11:26 pm EST

I'm sorry, but the only series I can get into is the CBJ-BOS series..It's been fun to watch..The Canes whistle to whistle stuff is boring..hate the Islanders...The four west teams just dont do it for me, especially the way the SHarks got in..Guess I should be rooting for Dallas, but couldnt care less.

Hospo


Sun Apr 28 2019 10:23 pm EST

Stars/Lanche/BJ's/Canes here

tradestar28


Sun Apr 28 2019 10:22 pm EST

Other than a Barzal....and the great play of Lehner.....who do the Isles have in their lineup or even their system that is good? I look at the roster for today....and honestly, I don't think they are that good on paper.

tradestar28


Sun Apr 28 2019 9:22 pm EST

Rhet: who we rooting for? Dallas & ???

mf


Sun Apr 28 2019 9:11 pm EST

No way San Jose...

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 28 2019 9:10 pm EST

All tied up at 1-1 between SJ and the AVS. Everyone's 1-1, except for the CANES who are up 2-0. It's nice to have something to root for when the NYR are eliminated.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 28 2019 5:26 pm EST

Islanders hit 2 posts and a crossbar. Still lost. Woohoo!!

RF4l


Sun Apr 28 2019 5:00 pm EST

Arthur treachers fishstinks

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 28 2019 4:58 pm EST

Thanks you Bunch of Jerks!

Bob


Sun Apr 28 2019 4:52 pm EST

Canes now up 2-0, but still a long way to go. NYI fans did a lot of crowing after beating the PENGUINS and I'm sure they were looking past the CANES, who beat a much better CAPITALS team themselves.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 28 2019 4:50 pm EST

GO CANES GO! F-K the NYI's and their front running fans.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 28 2019 4:46 pm EST

"An" issue with trade-deadline deals is that we are not getting high enough 1st round draft picks in return... At this point in time of rebuild, I'd still like to acquire an additional 1st round pick or two...

mf


Sun Apr 28 2019 4:43 pm EST

td: I think the Rangers are going to stick with Shatty for now. They dont know what they have with the kids, even if they get Fox he may need to start in the AHL. If Shatty isnt what they wanted when they signed him I could see him moved at the deadline....I dont think it will be as big a deadline again next year, but based on how players are developing and who is on the outside looking in (perhaps Vesey or Name or whoever) will be moved for what is needed or futures. Shatty could end up being one of those guys....but who knows at this point.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 28 2019 4:21 pm EST

Better than eating Arthur treacher fishsticks

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 28 2019 3:49 pm EST

I fiend for sushi. But at a hockey game??? And your team is named the Islanders??? Things that must die in a fire.

E


Sun Apr 28 2019 2:44 pm EST

Slavin Girardi

tradestar28


Sun Apr 28 2019 2:43 pm EST

As an old timer I hate the Islanders and their fans. But watching their coach interviewed while some fan behind him eats sushi with chopsticks at a PO game makes me hate them even more!!!!!

Ranger47


Sun Apr 28 2019 1:13 pm EST

Interesting happenings at the U-18 Worlds.....Canada and USA had to play off for Bronze and Sweden and Russia playing for the Gold ?????????? Wow !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Apr 28 2019 12:14 pm EST

Rhet.....that's hilarious but ultimately sad....LOL

Melvillefred


Sun Apr 28 2019 11:59 am EST

That first Panarin goal was straight out of the OV8 playbook. Pull everyone to one side to defend and leave Panarin at the top of the circle. No chance for the goalie. The second one was filthy. I didn’t even realize it was a goal it was so sweet. He’s definitely solidifying himself as a big game player. He’s also hard as hell to hit. He doesn’t lug the puck along the boards. He reminds me of Brad Richards that way. Somehow or another he is constantly with the puck in space. And his passing keeps players from wanting to take time and space from him. They just kinda zone up. He really reminds me of Datsyuk that way. He is dynamic.

E


Sun Apr 28 2019 11:57 am EST

Went back to see how we acquired LINDGREN.... OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired a first-round pick in the 2018 NHL Draft, defenseman Ryan Lindgren, forwards Ryan Spooner and Matt Beleskey, and a seventh-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft from the Bruins in exchange for Rick Nash....4,305 ......10:30 AM - Feb 25, 2018 ........ (Spooner ultimately become STROME)

mf


Sun Apr 28 2019 11:46 am EST

TD: Whereas I think Lindgren has some NHL upside as a 7-8 defender in maybe as soon as next season, what I’ve seen with Day says he will be ready roughly never.

E


Sun Apr 28 2019 9:50 am EST

FRED.... Chris Simms said it best, the NYG's just drafted DAVE BROWN again.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 28 2019 8:58 am EST

tradestar - Yeah, I forgot about LUNDKVIST. He had a decent season in the SHL. Didn't play bad at the World Juniors...But I'm pretty sure he's at least a year away from service. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Hartford next year...but we got a mighty crowded situation on the left...Good chance REUNANEN hops the pond...Ditto with RYKOV...and I'm pretty sure LINDGREN will start down there with DAY...assuming HAJEK makes the team...which I bet he will...that's four lefties BEFORE considering LUNDKVIST...and MILLER will be a long to start 2020-2021. So yeah, it's crowded...Really think the Rangers need to start clearing some spots...and that definitely means moving either SMITH or STAAL.

tdchi


Sun Apr 28 2019 8:58 am EST

BTW I love the physical play in last nights game. But those Bruins are dirty bastards and get away with more than other teams I have watched in these POs so far.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 28 2019 8:55 am EST

Pal17 Fast/Erixon? Definitely similar as far as injuries go LOL

NYStranger


Sun Apr 28 2019 8:53 am EST

Panarin...you can't worry about what he is offered. The Rangers will need to make the best offer that makes sense to the Rangers. Can't go all in just to prove you can out bid everyone and screw up the salary structure for a decade. If they feel they can absorb a max offer contract they will make one. But he will never be worth that kind of money and that kind of contract will eventually hurt the Rangers down the road.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 28 2019 8:43 am EST

Wildcard: I'm sure the Rangers could move SHATTENKIRK if they wanted to...As you say, it'd involve eating salary and more likely, attaching him to an asset...maybe a prospect like DAY or GROPP...my thinking though is that there's no appetite to do that...and TBH, I think the Rangers are comfortable with Shatty.

tdchi


Sun Apr 28 2019 7:51 am EST

Not to knock Duchene, who scored the winner on pp, but he was largely missing in that game, which was a rough and nasty as 0layoff hockey gets. Panarin who is much smaller was the star of the game. Problem is, as if there weren’t enough teams that wanted him, that performance erased any doubt on whether he’s a big game player. Panthers will be in on him hard.

Puckyou


Sun Apr 28 2019 7:13 am EST

I just have to do this non Hockey post. And the with the 6th overall pick in this years draft the NY Giants select......Hugh Jessiman. When they made that call I had to dial suicide prevention Hot Line for myself. Go CBJ, Go Torts

Melvillefred


Sun Apr 28 2019 6:34 am EST

E, for me FAST reminds me of a righty JAN ERIXON.

Pal17


Sun Apr 28 2019 6:32 am EST

Shonuff I thought the same thing about Panarin.Get the checkbook out!

Pal17


Sun Apr 28 2019 6:04 am EST

The Panarin second goal was the sweetest shot I have seen since Bernie Nichols. We have watched the Rangers over pay for garbage for 20 years but they better get a checkbook out July 1.

shonuff


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:09 pm EST

BRUINS LOSE, BRUINS LOSE, THEEEEEEEE BRUINS LOSE!@!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 27 2019 9:00 pm EST

Panarin is going to look good in a Blueshirt.

Bob


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:56 pm EST

BOB: he is a tweener. The guy can go up and down the lineup. Lots of utility. Gets chemistry with everyone pretty quickly. Simple N-S game. But he is a bottom-6 guy in his most natural position.

E


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:44 pm EST

Bob - yep on the Bruins and especialy Milbury..Someone needs to smack his mouth shut with a shoe! Panarin defienteky steeping Up..my question answered

Hospo


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:43 pm EST

The hit on DUBOIS should be a penalty.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:25 pm EST

I like physical hockey and have therefore enjoyed the playoffs so far. I also think that this bodes well for the team that the Rangers are building, a team that plays a physical and quick game. As for the Boston-Columbus series......how can NBCSN not realize what a homer tool Millbury is? They might as well have Jack Edwards doing the commentary. They Bruins are cheap and dirty every shift. Torts’ head is going to explode. Boston is the closest thing to the Flyers of the 1970’s I have seen since.

Bob


Sat Apr 27 2019 7:58 pm EST

Man, my hate for the Bruins, their fans, Milbury is really being stoked by watching some of the shit they get away with..especially Chara..Yes, they are playing physcial which you want your team to do they are sneaky bastards and some Bruin, hopefully Chara, needs to be hurt...The BJs skill guys---Panarin, Atkinson, Duchense-- need to step up in this tyoe of game..Can They?

Hospo


Sat Apr 27 2019 7:20 pm EST

If PANARIN is the Bread man.........would KAKKO be the Clans man?

tradestar28


Sat Apr 27 2019 7:14 pm EST

Go CBJ!!!

rangerlou


Sat Apr 27 2019 7:10 pm EST

Tdchi - what about Nils Lundkvist?

tradestar28


Sat Apr 27 2019 6:44 pm EST

Bob and Rhet: I actually think he best fits the role of defensive conscience on a third line with more offensively talented players. I don't see him as a fourth liner on a Cup team. Compare the Isles 4th line or others like Detroit had, etc, and (capable yes but) I don't see him flourishing in that role. JMHO.

Ranger47


Sat Apr 27 2019 3:13 pm EST

BOB.... In regard to FAST: I still agree with you.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 27 2019 2:41 pm EST

On Fast...........clearly a hard working and reliable guy. However, I still believe that until he is a 4th liner on this club, they are in no position to contend.

Bob


Sat Apr 27 2019 2:38 pm EST

Zucc doing his part.

Bob


Sat Apr 27 2019 2:08 pm EST

E: It is odd there are so few Fast jerseys....but its obvious the team loves him, and I meant he players not the brass.....makes me think I want to get one, because he has been a warrior for the Rangers for years now, does anything the coaches ask, takes being pushed down the lineup like he wants to do that. Great leader in the way that he does whatever is needed for the team, and that mentality is a great one to show the younger guys coming into the NHL over the next couple seasons.

Wildcard


Sat Apr 27 2019 2:05 pm EST

he was second to Skjei by the way....

Wildcard


Sat Apr 27 2019 1:33 pm EST

PIONK: I think its overlooked when evaluating him, he was used as the number 1, he lead the team in minutes for most of the season, ended up 2nd 4 seconds less TIO per game 21:14 to 21:10 per game...he isnt a number 1, he isnt a number 2. He is a 4/5 Dman, he was challenged to be more than that, at times he was at more times he wasn't....and in his rookie year. I think that if he is put in the 4/5 spot he will be exposed less and will look a heck of a lot better, especially with more experience. I mean he was basically a rookie, and was out there many shifts against the Crosby and Ovechkins of the NHL...most kids dont do all that well there....let alone a kid with work to do like him.

Wildcard


Sat Apr 27 2019 1:26 pm EST

And Fast is the most underrated New York Ranger in a long time. It’s funny, you never see many Fast jerseys but there is a reason he wears an A.

E


Sat Apr 27 2019 1:17 pm EST

I don’t know about “big moves” taking on toxic contracts etc... I think the NYR defense sucks. I don’t think they are a Trouba away from getting it tightened up. I could see a free agent. I could see a prospect by trade. I could even see a guy like Fox. But I don’t see big changes. Hajek looked like in his short window like he COULD be an NHL defender. Rykov remains an interesting prospect. I’m not sure where he is contractually speaking. Lindgren looks like a project but their could be something there. Pionk struggled at times but has upside. But ultimately I think there is gonna have to be a choice between the wild and crazy DeAngelo with greater upside and uneven temperament that leads to all kinds of mayhem on the ice when he gets going or the more steady, disciplined and coachable Pionk. A guy who probably has less upside but I think will grow into a good 3-zone defenseman with decent offensive ability. Not that DeAngelo is a good comparison because he’s not as good but I see some Matt Dumba. Dumba spent his early career looking to destroy people. He’d run all over the ice. Every scrum he found himself in the middle of and he was a major pain in the ass because for all the chaos he had legitimate snark and would back it up. It wasn’t as fun when he started becoming more of a concentrated hockey player but he turned into a real weapon who could pick his spots better. DeAngelo seems to be going thru a similar process. This season at times he looked like a settled in defenseman choosing his spots and making plays. Other times he was running around leaving his lanes open and getting himself way out of position. And other times he got to be a fan sitting in the team box for things unrelated to anything we knew about. And don’t get me started on dear sweet Smith or Shatty. And while Shatty is improving and finding his game a little bit, that leg has t healed right, or it’s psychological, or it’s still healing because forget everything else. He is literally a shell of the hockey player he once was. So, when I hear Lucic, half contracts, toxic BS I’m just not on board. I wanna see the defense be better. Obviously. And obviously watching the goalie get shelled like crazy is no fun. But I don’t see a massive wholesale change for a guy like a Trouba. A guy who is established, who is gonna get paid but frankly, also has been criticized for not meeting expectations all the way. Not a mock on the guy. He might just need a change of scenery on a more shallow defense where he becomes “the man” and suddenly he turns into that guy that he could be. So okay, there is something there. But I still believe that the modus operandi continues to be steady as she goes. There is so much good up front right now coming. So much reason for incredible optimism, and I do think they’ll sign Chris Krieder and I do think it’s very possible that he will be wearing the C at some point in the near future. I just don’t think there is an appetite for big wholesale changes that would seriously alter the complexion of the lineup. There is a lot of good going on right now. And I do wanna sign a Panarin very badly. Because I think in the next two seasons, there can be a scary, young. and not some TO or TB type undersized sizzle machines. But a big, aggressive, heavy team that’s built to take teams to the boards, go hard to the net, and put a ton of pressure on the defense. In other words, More Nashville, Calgary etc... and yes, you can argue “but E they are out of the playoffs” and I’d agree but that is my template. And I’m starting to think that is Gorton’s template with the type of coaching philosophy. The type of players being acquired. I’m patient on this thing. And I believe that this team has a very good chance to up their offensive output. And with all those games that went to OT and they lost 3-3? That was because it was a skill competition and the New York Rangers didn’t have it. And next season they might. This goes my latest rant... enjoy your weekends and may the draft and UFA season be upon us soon.

E


Sat Apr 27 2019 1:02 pm EST

if RISTOLAINEN is available I would go after that, as long at least if they dont want the sun and the moon for him. But for a fair price I definitely make that move. He is younger, big, skates well....he is hated by BUF fans in the same way some D in NY are hated by NYR fans....they latch onto the bad parts of the game and miss all the good stuff. He is kind of in the same place (although much earlier in his career) as Giradi was in NY....people were legitimately saying that he wouldn't even be in the top 6 of a good team...well, those people are silent since he was a top 4 guy on a dominate (until the playoffs) TBL team....I think BUF fans have fallen into the same ideas with RISTOLAINEN, they think he is no good and they will be better without him.

Wildcard


Sat Apr 27 2019 12:58 pm EST

Ranger47: I agree. A new team could do a lot worse than Fast to help start up with the right mentality and attitude. But there may be a younger D that is exposed as well....its hard until we get closer to know what players will be under contract and will be exposed....but Fast I can see the Rangers trying to lock up for the rest of his career, and it would be hard to protect him and not loose a very good player in the process.

Wildcard


Sat Apr 27 2019 12:55 pm EST

td: The Rangers have the cap space to eat a bit of Shattenkirks cap hit, there are plenty of teams that would take Shatty for 4.5-5 mil per....at 4.5 or 5 mil per he would probably not be as disliked among rangers fans. He had a bad year no doubt, but teams know what he has done in the past, and what he can do, and saw that the entire Rangers team was not good, especially in the way of helping D. His lack of offensive numbers is not a good thing, but again, at 4.5-5 mil per a team with no one even close to his ability would take a flyer for the last 2 years of his deal.

Wildcard


Sat Apr 27 2019 12:50 pm EST

Vic: I strongly expect them to extend Fast unless he prices himself out of their future. More likely he ends up being selected at the expansion draft if left unprotected.

Ranger47


Sat Apr 27 2019 12:11 pm EST

VIC: you bring up CGY's NEAL, which brought LUCIC to mind... I think we could extract blood out of EDM by willing to take on LUCIC.... Lucic has the same amount of years remaining as does NEAL (4) and Lucic is paid just $250K more per year than Neal... EDM is in a way more desperate situation than CGY (IMO) .... Not only is Lucic an Albatross of a contract, so has become LHSD SEKERA who has played a total of 60 games the last 2 seasons....""IF"" the NYR's want to go radical and rip this down to the "young studs" I believe we can extort a combo of 1st round picks and prospects out of EDM..... For Starters, I'd accept LUCIC if EDM retained $2mill per on his contract, because after keeping Lucic for one season and seeing what is left in the tank, we could trade him away by offering to eat $1mill per for the remaining 3 years or at the Trade Deadline of his 2nd season with us... Someone will bite on LUCIC at $3mill per for their Playoffs push and two remaining years...... PULJUJAVI"S name gets tossed around a lot here, could he - will he ever be a top six player? IF not, do we really want to kick the tires on this guy? Then there's EDM's 8th overall pick this year, which puts us just outside PODKOLZIN, COZENS, DACH, TURCOTTE, KREBS, "so" WE'D HAVE to trade up to land one of them or hope that OTBG is picking for one of the team ahead of us......... I'd also want EDM's 1st round pick for next season..... We can offer Shattenkirk and eat enough Salary ($2.65mill t0 $3.15mill) to give EDM a Net Gain in cap space for the remainder of SHATTY's contract.... There are many a way to skin this cat, bottom line, I think we get more out of EDM than CGY.... jmon

mf


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:59 am EST

The biggest wildcard for the Rangers right now is K'Andre MILLER...I'm really excited to see what he does next season...he had a great rookie year...and I wouldn't be surprised if he's among the leadership in what is going to be a pretty sick US team for the World Juniors. The guy moves so fluidly...and he's big...I think HAJEK is going to be a regular, but I have questions about his star power...I've soured a good deal on LINDGREN and don't really think he's got top pairing in him...so the question is, who is going to be our top guy on the left? If it's SKJEI, I think we're in for a few long seasons.

tdchi


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:54 am EST

I think the Rangers' defensive makeup next season starts with whether they're going to take a stab at FOX. If, in fact, Fox DOES want to come to NYC, you build around him. He's your top RHS moving forward. Unfortunately, he would mean moving PIONK, IMO, because I have no stomach for moving D'ANGELO and I don't think any of the other 30 teams have any stomach for SHATTENKIRK...so if FOX is in the picture, that means no MYERS, RISTO, KARLSSON, or TROUBA. If this Fox business is all blogger hype, then it is incumbent upon GORTON to find a top-pairing guy...they don't have that guy right now, and I don't think any of the RHS players in the system or on the team will develop into that guy...FOX checks most of the boxes...TROUBA, IMO, checks all of the boxes...but he's gonna be expensive. RISTO doesn't check as many, but could be cheaper...I actually like MYERS and the price is even better...but that contract has a HUGE chance of being an albatross for years to come...but I tell you what: I'm not bitching if Myers comes here...I like him, but I just don't think he's the guy who would make me trade PIONK.

tdchi


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:46 am EST

Vic - I can't say anything about ZADOROV, but I'm almost positive Buffalo will or is taking offers on RISTOLANEN. Maybe not so much now that BOGOSIAN is out for six months...but I bet you could get Risto on for far less than he's worth right now...funny thing is, Sabres' fans hate the guy. They can't wait for him to be moved. He's been a bit of a mess defensively...but the guy is a smooth skater and has a mean streak. And frankly, I would rather trade an asset for him than sign MYERS for cash.

tdchi


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:43 am EST

RISTOLAINEN is a guy who I think is in the wrong place at the wrong time. And I bet they could get him for a song, TBH. He would be an incredible add.

tdchi


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:40 am EST

SLegs: indeed, however he's a Tort's kind of guy and if CBJ goes deep or wins it all, they may want him back.. They are Cap-strapped, but a $2.75-$3mill p/y key roster spot player can usually be worked in...

mf


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:39 am EST

Why would Buffalo or Colorado want to move RISTOLAINEN or ZADOROV respectively? They are both just entering their best years and both teams need players just like them. Plus, for the Rangers to obtain either one they would have to part with an insane package going the other way. It would probably start with PIONK, KRAPSHOT, MILLER and a #1. The Rangers are just starting to restock the system with quality prospects. They can't afford a massive trade that depletes the system. Not now...and hopefully not ever. And MF, MYERS costs nothing but a few dollars as well and he is 10 times the player that McQUAID is.

Vic


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:37 am EST

Buffalo's RHS D'man Bogosian jut underwent Hip Surgery so RISTOLAINEN (another RHS) may be difficult for the Sabres to part with... https://buffalonews.com/2019/04/23/buffalo-sabres-zach-bogosian-nhl-news-2019/

mf


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:36 am EST

Irving moofman McQuaid is probably the best fit for a couple of years. ......just what the gm has planned in the mystery. ......

stevielegs


Sat Apr 27 2019 11:14 am EST

Adam McQuaid cost nothing but a few dollars, "if he's willing to come back to the Rangers and non playoff hockey."

mf


Sat Apr 27 2019 10:59 am EST

Bob: Or Zadorov from the Aves. Not as good but more physical and less costly.

rF4l


Sat Apr 27 2019 10:09 am EST

If the Rangers determine they need a guy like Myers in the back, they should make a deal with Buffalo for Ristolainen.

Bob


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:57 am EST

HK: Assuming SHATTENKIRK isn't moved then the odd man out is probably PIONK if they sign FOX. That would be a shame IMHO because I think PIONK is going to be a good player in this league for a long time and I'm not sure that FOX will be any better then PIONK. FOX is also smaller then PIONK so keep that in mind. SHATTENKIRK and PIONK are listed at 6'. DeANGELO and FOX are listed at 5'11". Too many guys of the same type on that right side. That is why they need a MYERS type over there. But SHATTENKIRK has to go for that to happen.

Vic


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:52 am EST

RF4L: I hear you on MYERS. BUT, the Rangers so desperately need a guy like him back there. He is huge, skates well, and is a mean SOB. Part of the problem with the Rangers PK is that they don't have a D like MYERS that can actually box out or move guys from the slot. DeANGELO, PIONK and SHATTENKIRK were regularly abused and physically over matched on the right side all year. If he could be signed for a reasonable contract and term I think he helps shore up that D a lot.

Vic


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:44 am EST

I think Shatty has a list of teams he will go to. I doubt Calgary is one of them. His situation is the most problematic because he really doesn't provide much they can't get at a much lower price.(Pionk, Tony D) Staal is a high priced 2nd/3rd pair guy who will play out his contract and Smith is a 13th forward 7th D again overpriced but less so as a twofer. Also, if they are interested in Fox who do thy move out to give him a shot at making the team. They won't sign him if he knows he is going to Hartford. He'll just go back to Harvard.

HellsKitchen


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:44 am EST

Thinking of the forwards how about a lineup that looks something like this for next season......KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH, NEAL-STROME-KRAPSHOT, LEMIEUX-CHEETOS-KAKKO, BOYLE-HOWDEN-ANDERSSON. I'd love to have BOYLE back for a few years. He can still skate and play. He would be a great leader in the room for these kids and he would provide some protection as well. I'd keep BOO as a roster player for next year. There are several names you don't see there including FAST, STINKY, VESEY, etc. who are all UFAs and will most likely be dealt at the draft, over the summer or by the deadline anyway (as STROME may be too). Also in the mix would be GETTINGER if he is ready. This also doesn't include PANARIN of course. If that happens then I don't think they have the money to resign KREIDER. So if KREIDER is moved at the draft I think you can assume that the Rangers are all in on PANARIN. He would be the #1 LW in the lineup.

Vic


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:44 am EST

Vic: Tyler Myers pursuers beware. He's 29 meaning the bulk of his next contract, which will be hefty, will be in his 30s. He's had 2 injury free seasons in a row but prior to that, he was constantly hurt and with serious injuries. He missed huge chunks of seasons, including all but 11 games 3 years ago.

rF4l


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:40 am EST

Lavoie raising his draft stock - he's leading the QMJHL PO scoring with 17 goals and 27 points in 16 games. Very impressive. His team is the Memorial Cup host team so he's got lots more time to continue to impress. Alas, I doubt he's there when the Jets pick comes up.

rF4l


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:20 am EST

RF4L: Calgary can't eat salary in a deal for NEAL. Not with their Cap situation. But I'm sure a deal could be structured that could help their Cap situation and help the Rangers as well.

Vic


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:19 am EST

RHET: Five years ago Columbus signed DUBI to a contract that pays him more against the Cap then what Calgary signed NEAL for last July. And from a goal scoring production perspective NEAL has blown DUBI out of the water. NEAL has had a 40 goal season and a 31 goal season. That is something that KREIDER has never done. If the Rangers do end up trading KREIDER then NEAL could take his place as that goal scoring net front presence for the Rangers on the PP. But I don't want to trade KREIDER. I want to add a guy like NEAL to the mix and move out some of the softer players. And most importantly I want to get rid of SHATTENKIRK and his contract. SHATTENKIRK is a problem on this roster. He makes a bad Ranger D worse, and he doesn't bring much of any offense. I don't see NEAL's contract as being a problem, especially because the Rangers NEED players like him. And they don't need players like SHATTENKIRK. So if the Rangers can swap problem contracts with Calgary perhaps that helps both teams. I'm sure Calgary would like the shorter term of SHATTENKIRK's deal but the Rangers may need to sweeten the deal with a player, prospect or pick. Perhaps Calgary would be interested in one of the 47 left D the Rangers have in the system. Personally, I'd like to open up some room on the Right side to possibly sign FOX and MYERS. That would give the Rangers DeANGELO, MYERS and FOX on the right side. SKJEI, HAYJEK and STAAL on the left side for next year. I'm already liking that a lot more then what they have now.

Vic


Sat Apr 27 2019 8:07 am EST

Is it June yet?

rF4l


Sat Apr 27 2019 7:45 am EST

FWIW, I'd consider taking Neal from Calgary if they eat $2,000,000 of his cap hit and is part of a bigger more lucrative deal.

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 9:49 pm EST

Canes WIN IT!!

rangerlou


Fri Apr 26 2019 9:02 pm EST

YES!!!!! Way to go JORDAN!

Vic


Fri Apr 26 2019 9:01 pm EST

CANES WIN, CANES WIN, CANES WIN!!!!! 1-0 in OT

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 26 2019 8:31 pm EST

VIC.... No thank you on JAMES NEAL. I'd rather be stuck with SHATTENKIRK and SMITH for their remaining two years then to take on that albatross or a contract. Sure, maybe he has a bounce back season this year or next but more often than not, that deal will come back to strangle the holder of it (for what he brings to the table)... We need to watch our pennies for the right signing and the right trade. We don't have unlimited funds(JMO) ....Trade.... No to Brian Boyle as well. I doubt he'd come back here as he has had some real negative things to say about NYR fans since he left. I think it was due to his reception upon his return to MSG once or twice. Let's just say, he was not happy about it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:48 pm EST

Bad call on Staal for using his hands on the puck during the faceoff at the end of the 2nd. The replay clearly shows BOTH his hands are wrapped around and holding his stick when he pushes the puck with his stick which is horizontal to the ice. Hope the Canes kill the shitty penalty and the game is not decided by this type of reffing error.

Ranger47


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:30 pm EST

As long as all those goals aren’t all in one game!

NYStranger


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:19 pm EST

R47: The key will be to score more goals then the Islanders in 4 games....;-)

Vic


Fri Apr 26 2019 6:01 pm EST

Can the Canes beat the Isles? If so, what will be the key to doing so? I'm not optimistic....

Ranger47


Fri Apr 26 2019 5:31 pm EST

VIC - Not sure of the exact players in NEAL (who I really didnt see last year) or Haley (I would like ONE Bg tough guy) but I like the thinking and doing something like that..Cap should not be an issue either

Hospo


Fri Apr 26 2019 4:49 pm EST

TRADE: I've actually been thinking about that as well and I had a thought that I think a lot of folks here are going to hate. But it just may be a good fit. Calgary is a team that is going to have some Cap issues. I know NEAL had a down year this year but he has been a fairly consistent 20 goal scorer and a guy that is hard to play against. He could add some toughness to this lineup. I haven't really watched him much this year but he was really good for Vegas last year. The problem is his contract. While not horrible it will take him to his 35th birthday. But perhaps a deal involving NEAL and either SHATTENKIRK or SMITH going the other way would work for both parties. HALEY is also a UFA and a potentially cheap option for some 4th line toughness.

Vic


Fri Apr 26 2019 4:33 pm EST

Jeff Svoboda @JacketsInsider Cam Atkinson's latest response to Brad Marchand snapping his stick last night: "He owes me $300, so you can tell him that. I'm expecting that." You or the team? "Me. It's my property. It says Atkinson on it." Do you take a check or Venmo? "Cash. Straight cash." #CBJ

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 26 2019 3:57 pm EST

TRADE - Alot of the young players will in a long season...and you need more than the coaches..A leader-been-there-done-that-take-no-shit type would be great..CHTYLL, ANdersson, who ever they draft this year, even Lemieux...even Vesey and his inconsistencies..Hell. late last year was the third time BUCH "turned the corner" and you dont want him slipping back...even Kreider can use a kick in the arse some time...But..maybe they jsut want them to grow together and maybe be ready in 2-3 years..still don't know the plan

Hospo


Fri Apr 26 2019 3:28 pm EST

Brian Boyle Redux? He can be our Justin Williams sans 3 Stanley Cups

tradestar28


Fri Apr 26 2019 3:25 pm EST

No, just common sense.

kitchen1


Fri Apr 26 2019 3:24 pm EST

Hospo...that makes sense!.......ofcourse Tony D needs his own babysitter and wet nurse

tradestar28


Fri Apr 26 2019 3:23 pm EST

TRADE - They needed that last off-season, they will need it even more this off-season, particularly up front (i'm assuming they will still have vets Staal and, for better or worse, Shatt and SMith)..vets to show and teach how it's done on and off the ice, mentor/babysit/protect/whatever...The closet they have for some of that is Fast...And I don't mean a Mcleod-type but somebody that can play 3rd line/4th line..1 or two players north of 28 wouldnt be a sin...

Hospo


Fri Apr 26 2019 3:11 pm EST

Here is something that has not been addressed......Rangers draft Kaapo.....or maybe Hughes........so who do they bring as the babysitter for all the young kids in the lineup for protection?

tradestar28


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:45 pm EST

E then panarin can sign here instead of Florida. Bobby Bonilla is still being paid by the ny Mets .

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:40 pm EST

RF: Cockles Ay? Let's see where the Win-a-pig Pick and the Dallas Pick settle.... "Then, "Let's Get Ready to BUUUUNNNNDDDLLEE !"""

mf


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:40 pm EST

schneidw - Disagree wholeheartedly. Even if I thought ANDERSSON’s development stalled last season...I don’t...he was getting regular NHL minutes. And he was doing just fine with them. I can’t recall how many times he was a healthy scratch, but it wasn’t that many. And by the end of the season, he was playing with the moxie that I saw when he was playing with against kids his age...IMO, he looked really good his last few games of the season. A lot better than he did when he was called up...and MUCH improved over when I saw him in Hartford...I tell you what: it’s a crying shame that we had ANY prospect in Hartford last year, because the team was an unmitigated tire fire. I can say this with no doubt: ANDERSSON, HAJEK, and LINDGREN ALL looked better in New York than they did with the Pack. Even LETTIERI AND GILMOUR looked better up than in the AHL...I don’t know WHY the Rangers let Hartford become the shitshow it dod...but it was NO good for the Ranger kids. The year down there was largely lost for whoever.

tdchi


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:34 pm EST

mf: This story is one that will warm the coocles of your soul no doubt: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/oilers-prospect-evan-bouchard-named-ohl-defenceman-year/

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:33 pm EST

JFC - deals like the ZUCC deal happen all the time. The key to the deal is the conditional pick, not the pick itself. One off the top of my head is the Evander KANE deal. The first rounder Buffalo gets was conditional on him resigning. It’s a two-way street too...sure you can say ‘maybe the Stars edge him out because they don’t want to lose that pick...’ Well...maybe Zucc decides Texas sucks and he edges the Stars out...only to sign with the Rangers...Then they’re literally renting him for a few games...I know what you’re arguing here is a little different...but I strongly doubt that conditional pick has anything more than a negligible impact on what Zucc’s salary will be.

tdchi


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:20 pm EST

Lias Andersson" I am still perplexed why the NYRs kept Lias on the NHL roster when he ended up netting 2 goals and 4 assists in 43 games.. pathetic production. Should not have been playing with the older and bigger players last year...

schneidw


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:20 pm EST

Lias Andersson" I am still perplexed why the NYRs kept Lias on the NHL roster when he ended up netting 2 goals and 4 assists in 43 games.. pathetic production. Should not have been playing with the older and bigger players last year...

schneidw


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:09 pm EST

kitchen - you have a little biPolis in you, don't you?

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:08 pm EST

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-draft-2019-why-kaapo-kakko-should-take-the-no-1-spot-from-jack-hughes/1qadwcslam6ag19z3026ilst6s

schneidw


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:07 pm EST

sjw: I did know about Ratelle (thanks Dale Rolfe) but not Gilbert or Hadfield. That Ratelle broken ankle was so typical Rangers luck - an MVP season with cup aspirations and his own player causes the ankle break and at a time where his return would be late in the POs. Gawd, when you think about that and all the other bleak events over the decades it really does make winning the lottery seem unreal doesn't it?

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:57 pm EST

I know I’ve told you guys that I had a financial attorney friend who is in sports. She started out with the Sharks, moved on to baseball and is now with an NFL team. She says, that teams completely firewall themselves off once the paycheck is cut and deposited to the player. They have no idea nor do they care where the money goes. And likewise, neither does the league. Just another guy being smart with their money. There are now sports agencies with greater concentration on wealth generation for players but if you are a superstar? Teams will use their vast resources to set up their players.

E


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:54 pm EST

Oh boy, you're a treasury agent?

kitchen1


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:53 pm EST

And finally why would the league/the PA or anyone else want to look at any of this? It’s all private money unrelated to hockey. Just a player being a smart investor so it would seem. But this much is true: the more important a player is to a franchise the more likely an owner like Dolan will go with an agent to set these things up.

E


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:48 pm EST

STEVIE: So, what happens with a charitable trust, set up by Dolan in partnership and is controlled by Lundqvist’s wife? She now has a job and a salary for life. Maybe buys some nice real estate to entertain in as a fringe benefit? No income tax is due on the money Dolan and Lundqvist donated to set up the charity—even though they may have made the charitable donation so as not to pay any tax on an appreciated asset. Similarly, no estate tax is due on this donation, ever. And all the money donated to the charity is protected from any creditors because even though the donor’s heir controls the charity, the law says that heir does not “own” the trust. And don’t get me started on co-partnerships in hedge funds, private equity funds etc. their compensation comes in the form of a share of the fund or project they manage. They don’t take salary on that money whatsoever. It’s just taxed as a capital gain instead of ordinary income. Free money, and all set up. There is a million ways to compensate a player that have nothing at all to do with the NHL. Just associating the player with the right financial managers who set all this up for fees likely covered by the team owner. Do you remember a few years ago everyone was sweating why Lundqvist wasn’t signed and after he put his name on the line when asked what took so long, Lundqvist responded to the effect of, “we were just trying to structure the salary in a way that makes the most sense for both parties.” What do you think they were doing? Munching On herring in Henrik’s flat?

E


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:44 pm EST

E: you lost me... are you implying the NYRs are paying Lundquvist more than his reported salary? How is this done exactly? via endoresements? speaking fees etc? I have no clue but interested in your post..

schneidw


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:36 pm EST

Mf......and??? I know what I am and where I am going......

kitchen1


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:10 pm EST

JFC31 ....that is a great point!

tradestar28


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:08 pm EST

Stevie: jock taxes are way more complex. My father was a CFO for 40-years and he says it’s the most overrated argument out there. Compensatory revenue streams are easy to sidestep without violation of the CBA. Taxes maybe an issue for guys who are near league minimums or a journeyman’s contract but for a max contract guy? They can structure a ton of different ways. I mean, you know the Swedish players for example are hiding money and not repatriating it as they put money offshore in soft/hard assets. You don’t believe seriously that Lundqvist is being paid only $7,500,000 to play hockey for the Rangers do you?

E


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:06 pm EST

JFC----Wondered that very same thing myself.

thedoc85


Fri Apr 26 2019 1:04 pm EST

""""" KITCHEN1 ! """"" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fFW5w454HQ

mf


Fri Apr 26 2019 12:58 pm EST

TD: I could see Skinner being a target but the early career head woes gives me pause. And obviously, for as decent as he is, Panarin is just better everywhere. I do have Panarin on the New York Rangers must sign list. And hopefully there is a real shot at him. His signing takes the offense and fast tracks everything. Takes all those pedestrian aspects of the New York Rangers game and makes them much more dangerous. But like I always say, I’ve had a hockey crush on him for a few years now. I just find him a highlight machine. And everyone around him is a better player when he is out there. He is an “actual” superstar who has little mileage on him and I think he’s actually getting better.

E


Fri Apr 26 2019 12:32 pm EST

I'm surprised that the Players Union has nothi g to say about the Zucc trade provision that bases an outcome of the trade on whether or not Dallas signs Zucc. That kills a lot of Zucc's "leverage" in that Dallas might really want to sign him but WON'T because they don't want to owe a 1st round pick to the Rangers and Tangers won't sign him for the same reason. Zucc could lose 2 potential suitors for his services. That goes against everything that being a UFA is supposed to represent. That's like Zucc being PUNISHED by a trade provision he had no say in. Doesn't seem like it should be allowed, IMO....it's definitely shady.

JFC31


Fri Apr 26 2019 12:21 pm EST

R4FL- imagine the '72 final .. with A healthy GAG line... Ratelle played but coming off the broken ankle, I think registered 1 pt .. Gilbert had neck issues and played with a brace.. and Hadfield had a broken hand or fingers ...

sjw


Fri Apr 26 2019 11:09 am EST

Steve, disagree about parity. Owners will not agree on cap changes. They fought for decades to allow small markets to complete with big boys. Now that they got it, they are not going to change it. They might do something about no state tax teams, but overall, current cap allowed teams to stay competitive. Looser points or not, teams now are limited in how long they can stay at the top, before their core needs to be broken apart....

andrei


Fri Apr 26 2019 10:51 am EST

I see zero possibility of Hayes returning and Gorton will want Dallas's first pick next June so signing MZA is a tad cannibalistic!

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 10:42 am EST

Parity is basically bs. Having the loser points is what has kept teams in the race until the end of the season. Guys making $10 million in Florida, $5 million for home games is tax free. Guy in nyc making $10 pays plenty of tax on the $5 million. Make the cap $100 million in nyc et al and adjust it lower for places like Florida. The cap is age discrimination and high salary discrimination. Put a luxury tax for anything above the cap and put a limit of $125 million. Sather spent $80 million for a losing team when there wasn’t a cap , disproving his own theory of winning Cups in nyc.

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 26 2019 10:35 am EST

Limbo - jah mahn. Largely just rosterbating. And TBH, I don’t think the Rangers/Gorton are going to be into tradingnfor futures, which is basically what those to deals would be...if the Rangers intend to make the playoffs next year....and I DO think that is their goal...they will keep both KREIDER and GEORGIEV to start the year...I do think it would be a smart investment to cash in on Alex NYLANDER or PULJUJARVI...both of whom are at stalled points in their respective careers...And both of whom I believe could really benefit from a change in scenery...sort of like STROME...Puljujarvi is no longer waiver-exempt...and he’s coming off a major surgery... the Oil have to either shit or get off the pot with him...Nylander is a bit different, since he has one more waiver exempt season...and there’s a chance he hops into the inevitable void left by the looming departure of SKINNER...nevertheless, it’s kind of moot because I really think Gorton and DQ will want to keep BUCH-Z-KREIDER together. That line was a ray of sunshine in an otherwise dark season...and then we’re all but assured KAKKO...or on the off chance...HUGHES will be on line two....figure CHYTIL will be there too...and if I were to call the ball, I’d say either STROME or VESEY to round it out...that leaves ANDERSSON or HOWDEN centering LEMIUEX and KRAVTSOV on third...then take your scraps from above, add in NAMESTNIKOV, FAST, and NIEVES...well suddenly things are seemin a little crowded. And that’s before factoring in that I could almost guarantee the Rangers take a swing at an RFA...PANARIN, of course, but I think SKINNER could be a target...an I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if they ty to resign HAYES or ZUCC...so in other words, the picture is looking pretty crowded for a deal like I suggest...I know I’m contradicting myself... but I like doing that.

tdchi


Fri Apr 26 2019 9:10 am EST

Rhet, agree on escrow, but league will fight hard to keep it. Just can't see league going away from hard cap. Buttman accomplished his vision, parity, and owners love it. Can you see all top teams loosing in the 1st round without a hard cap?

andrei


Fri Apr 26 2019 9:08 am EST

Rhet: I don't feel that way about the Caps because come PO time, the Rangers beat them more often than not.

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 8:27 am EST

RF4L... Agreed. I also feel that way towards the CAPS too, though I'm sure many do not.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 26 2019 8:26 am EST

Andrei... I'm sure the escrow account will be a major sticking point in the upcoming lockout(or it better be, the players seems to lose out on everything). I also hope the League moves toward a luxury tax instead of the hard cap.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 26 2019 8:24 am EST

IMO any loooooooooooooong time Ranger fan would not ever be able to root for the Bruins. Long before the Flyers thuggery even existed there was the Bruin thuggery, running and intimidating Rangers all over the place for years. I still cringe and then get angry remembering those days. How ironic is it though that despite the physicality of the Bruins over the Rangers in the end, the biggest difference between to the 2 teams was Bobby Orr. Orr was the single biggest reason the Bruins beat the Rangers in the cup finals in 1972 and he performed his mastery basically with 1 working knee.

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:40 am EST

Oh and Marchand was quiet in terms of buffoonery against the Leafs but pulled off some annoyingly big-nose crap last night, like stepping on and breaking Cam Atkinson's stick on a FO.

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:30 am EST

From what I saw of the BJ/Bruin game unlike Toronto, the BJs easily matched the Bruins physically but displayed a popgun offense that presented little danger to Boston. Also, Boston recognizes the importance of Seth Jones and they're targeting him and not just hitting him. Lots of dirty little crap after the whistle. Jones is very impressive but looks like a gentle giant. He needs some meanness to him - if he adds that, what a scary player he'd be.

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:26 am EST

trade: You cannot compare contracts signed in the past to today on the same level due to the rise in the cap over that time. Tarasenko's deal was signed 3 years ago. Today's dollars means he'd be at $9,500,000/per. That's not Kreider money of course, but it's not unrealistic to envision him asking for $7,500,000/per. His agent will argue what everyone who wants him to be resigned are saying and by no means am I here saying everyone's wrong. They aren't. It's what it equates to in dollars that remains to be decided and if that's a figure the Rangers are happy with. If they aren't he's gonna be traded. Now if no negotiations occur and he's moved at the draft then that tells you something else: That the Rangers already decided to move on without him.

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 7:15 am EST

kitchen1: Yes I am. Deal with it dude-boy!

rF4l


Fri Apr 26 2019 5:33 am EST

Yeah...anyway proclaiming these series are over may need more than a drink. Saw some goood hockey last night and from what I can see D and CBJ have a shot, but the bendy games will be a bit more important. I like the physicality if CBJ on a team that went the distance w/ Toronto. And he’ll, if Bishop doesn’t let in a softy or two last night Dallas could have won. For as good as Bishop can be, he is notorious for letting in a the occasional soft goal. On a team like Dalls that is so defensively oriented w/ a pop gun offense, that can hurt. Good news is he almost always bounces back w/ a string performance

NCRanger


Fri Apr 26 2019 2:58 am EST

I am with HOSPO. I have hated the Bruins since the late 60’s. The fact that Emile traded for some of those clowns in exchange for 2 classy Rangers was torture. Now, NBCSN puts Milbury in the box for their games which ensures that I will continue to hate them. I guess Jack Edwards was not available so they put Milbury in there.

Bob


Fri Apr 26 2019 12:35 am EST

trade, agent take a cut from the players salary, NHL takes a cut (escrow), Uncle sam takes a cut, State takes a cut, in case of NY, NYC takes a cut.. All and all, players take home less the 50% of what they make. That's why player, especially 1st time top level UFA's, don't take discounts..

andrei


Fri Apr 26 2019 12:09 am EST

trade, what Tarasenko makes and what Kane makes will have very little impact to what Kreider will be making. Tarasenko signed in 2015. Had he signed one this year, he would me making between $10-$11 mil. Stone had raised the ceiling on what next UFA contract range can be. Last season, Kreider would have signed for $6.8, this year it over $8. Next summer, if he scores over 30, it will be over $9. At 29, UFA is looking for a last , and in most cases, the only big payday they will ever get. No way someone will leave over $10 mil on the table..

andrei


Thu Apr 25 2019 11:43 pm EST

Tradestar, sounds like you're writing a prospectus for a financial investment...

mf


Thu Apr 25 2019 11:19 pm EST

Andrei- Stone is clearly better than Kreider in most stat categories. But like we have argued here ad nauseam ......Rangers CANNOT pay players for past performance.....because they are not indicative of future performance.

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 11:01 pm EST

Hospo..yeah I missed that entire decade except maybe around 1979ish....I remember watching the Rangers game....on WOR Channel 9....it was regular season vs the Habs......in Montreal.....and my parents were going out for the night.....Before leaving , my Dad comes in and watches like 2 minutes of the game and says to me, "Rangers can never get the goddamn puck out of the their own zone".....After that I was hooked on this torture....

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:16 pm EST

trade - yeah, but you are lucky to be too young to be traumatized by what the Bruins did to the Rangers in the late 60's and early 70's capped off by the vomit inducing deals for scumbags Vadnais, ESpo and Hodge

Hospo


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:14 pm EST

Trade, let’s put it to you this way. Krieder will look at Stone’s $9.5 and what do you think he will say? Players measure how valuable they’ve are in organization and among peers by contracts $. No one is going to leave $10-$14 mil over 7 years on the table..

andrei


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:13 pm EST

Tarasenko is 27 as well @ $7.5MM and he has alot better PPG stats than Kane and Kreider

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:07 pm EST

andrei.....the Rangers will extend Kreider in the off-season.....$6.75MM

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:06 pm EST

Hospo.....the Bruins play that buzzsaw brand of hockey and for some reason the NYR's always matched up with when we were both good and shitty.....go figure

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:59 pm EST

Thank God I fell asleep and missed the effin Bruin's goal to win the game..MIke Milbury does that to me...Anyway, didn't see the OT but thougt both teams played some good hockey..I hope some of the bigger BJ forwards wear the Bruins down....

Hospo


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:43 pm EST

RF4L...seriously?? Not impressive?? What have you been watching? And after 1 period, you're proclaiming that the Stars are done? Have a drink.

kitchen1


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:43 pm EST

RF4L...seriously?? Not impressive?? What have you been watching? And after 1 period, you're proclaiming that the Stars are done? Have a drink.

kitchen1


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:22 pm EST

Trade did you mean the mental midget?

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:17 pm EST

Trade, 100%. Contract will be over $50 mil. It will be over $60 mil if he scores 35+ next season.

andrei


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:10 pm EST

MZA pick will be in the 2nd round...

RF4l


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:08 pm EST

BJs not very impressive. Hopefully extended layoff = no legs. If not gone in 5 games.

RF4l


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:03 pm EST

Andrei the Giant......Kreider is @ .58ppg and Evander Kane is @ .63ppg .....They are both the exact same age (27 years old).....Kane signed a 7 year x $7MM contract. You are telling me that Kreider won't take a quarter mill less to stay a NYR? Ofcourse he will....

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 8:58 pm EST

Rhet - I thought Reese was a clown, but at least they won 2 Super Bowls. This guy Gettleman is a total train wreck.

Limbo


Thu Apr 25 2019 8:55 pm EST

TD - I hear ya, but the only way EDM wants another goalie from the Rangers is if Allaire goes the other way too.

Limbo


Thu Apr 25 2019 8:33 pm EST

The NFL draft is tonight and all I have to say is... I give up on the GIANTS, They have no idea WTF they're doing.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 25 2019 8:17 pm EST

If the Rangers didn't have designs on extending Kreider, they would or should have traded him already...My bet is they extend him and he's a Ranger for another 6 years..I hope so..........As for the POs, not plying another team I hate, I can now remember how much I detest the Bruins and their punks...Go BJS!!!!

Hospo


Thu Apr 25 2019 7:59 pm EST

Be careful what you wish for with kid k , veenyo might ask his gm to try and get him.

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 25 2019 7:52 pm EST

Kreider is not worth that kind of money. Let him play elsewhere

rangerlou


Thu Apr 25 2019 7:03 pm EST

Kreider on a 7 year deal??? Not in a Ranger Jersey....

mf


Thu Apr 25 2019 6:10 pm EST

Krieder is not signing a 6 year for $6.6. He is going to get a 7 year, between $7.8 and $8.5. That is a going rate. He scores 35 next year, his ask will be $9 mil.. Can we please stop with the fantasy that players willing take less in years and $ to play in NY...

andrei


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:47 pm EST

MF: I’ll just reiterate what many in the WPG universe say. The guy for as good as he can be is still wildly inconsistent. A lot of their base is excited to see what they might get for the guy in part because of big game = small results, cap woes, and just a sensation that he isn’t a good value player. On the surface there have been those here who don’t agree and that’s all good. Honestly, I haven’t gone corsi, fenwick etc... yet to evaluate the guy further then the eye test and what folks who follow them night in and out are saying. To be sure, he’d bring an element that’s missing from this blueline. Whether he is the answer? I have no silver bullet on the defense. It’s a disaster right now. And unlike up front there isn’t immediate help on the horizon.

E


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:37 pm EST

Wild, hope I was clear, I want the big RHS Dman with our 3rd Pick of the 1st round... I'm not particularly thrilled picking a 5'6" forward with our second 1st round pick

mf


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:26 pm EST

of course that mock has him going to the Rangers one pick before Cole Caufield goes to the Pens....so lets hope that mock is wrong...LOL

Wildcard


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:25 pm EST

mf: Funny you say that, one of the mocks has him going to the Rangers at 22.....who knows where that pick will actually be, but it's kind of ironic you post that the same day I see an updated mock with him to the Rangers....

Wildcard


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:20 pm EST

Edmonton: with their 1st round pick they can talk to Win a Pig for Trouba, they can talk to Toronto about Nylander... Obviously, They have to cut salary somehow... Those ideas don't work, they should consider adding Duchene.

mf


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:15 pm EST

Rhet, I think that we have enough ammo to add to the Winn pick to trade up and get a center The Wallsters will be happy with... Hopefully, the Big RHS Dman SEIDER drops low enough in the first round for the NYRS to trade up for... By the he time he's ready to play in he NHL, Shatty may be gone, who knows whether Pionk makes it... That leaves Tony D, we need to continue to run RHS D through the prospect pool... IMO

mf


Thu Apr 25 2019 5:09 pm EST

Boy, you Trade-lings really put out some "Beauties!"

mf


Thu Apr 25 2019 4:18 pm EST

Did I miss something? What KREIDER trade proposals?

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 25 2019 4:16 pm EST

And the grand finale? Offersheat Charlie McAVOY for $6.7 million over five years.

tdchi


Thu Apr 25 2019 4:06 pm EST

I’m not too hot on trading either KREIDER or GEORGIEV...but I tell you what: I would offer both to the Oilers and/or Sabres for their first rounder(8th and 7th respectively) and PULJUJARVI or Alex NYLANDER...sounds increasingly like Cole CAUFIELD could jump into the top-10...and maybe even the top five...that would pop TURCOTTE or ZEGRAS down a peg or two...and into the Rangers’ wheelhouse...I have less trepidation about moving Georgiev than most here. And TBH, I think the time might be now before the Rangers get in a bind with having to decide who to give the cage to...I DON’T like trading Kreider at all...but man...either on of this USNTDP products would be an absolute COUP...y’all would really like ZEGRAS, who is a Bedford native and plays with an edge...but again...to get out ofthe first round with KAKKO, ZEGRAS or TURCOTTE, and then...say SUZUKI or LAVOIE? And then move our second rounder from the Lighting for the rights to Adam FOX...Man...that would be putting this team on a collision course with a cup. Would be a rough go perhaps next season, but that would also give us a crack at the LAFRENIERE sweepstakes.

tdchi


Thu Apr 25 2019 3:26 pm EST

There are obviously positives about Kreider but I think at the end of the day, he will not be signed and may very well get moved at the draft with the receiving team having an extension in place.

kitchen1


Thu Apr 25 2019 3:17 pm EST

Think about it......Kreider is a smart guy......He probably saved alot of his money and likes playing in NYC....his next contract gives him $41MM+ and in two years He will be the Rangers elder statesmen. He will be the last of the mohicans.....and the Rangers will probably be ready to make some noise in playoffs right around that time.

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 3:07 pm EST

I truly believe that Kreider actually signs a contract with NY Rangers.....it will be a fair one for both sides.......He is gonna wanna stay in NYC for Round 2 of the up and coming NY Rangers.......Getting #2 overall sealed the deal.......So let's say 6 years and $6.75MM per

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 3:04 pm EST

The trade proposals on here are crazy! Kreider has one year left on his contract......Maybe if it was ZBAD with his 3 years and cheap salary .......then you can start putting legit trades together.......No non-contender wants a 1 year Kreider on their team

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 2:01 pm EST

Rhet: I'd say no because both teams wouldn't be looking to move a high pick for more (lower picks). Both teams need to add some bodies with NHL experience, especially Barfalo. There could be a bigger deal to be had with the Sabres that involves the 7th pick and perhaps Ristolainen. Maybe something like the Jet pick, Kreider and Vesey?

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:26 pm EST

tradestar28......lol

kitchen1


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:08 pm EST

RF4L... If The Winnipeg pick becomes #18 and we do get the Dallas pick(28th maybe?), they might be just about enough value-wise to get the 7th or 8th pick overall. Maybe.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 25 2019 12:38 pm EST

Rhet: Barfalo's first pick (7th) could be in play, too.

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 12:37 pm EST

trade: Probably not but if they did...be tough to turn down, no?

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 12:12 pm EST

I don’t see the New York Rangers advancing up to a place where Cozens is touchable. And I also don’t think the New York Rangers intend to go to the stage with all their picks. I firmly believe that they’ll dangle stuff to get defenseman. There is a lot going on in New York Rangers’ville this summer. Hard to believe that with all the Kakko excitement it’s easy to lose sight that Buchnevich has turned the corner, Cheeto should take another step, maybe Lias shows something that he hasn’t so far, Krapshoot might be in the opening night roster and Shesterkin is on his way over to give Georgie a run for his money. You add the potential of a game breaking UFA and there is a lot to feel optimistic about round these here parts. Defense is still an issue to be addressed but offensively? This team “could” be pretty dynamic. A lot of really good scenarios can play out this summer.

E


Thu Apr 25 2019 12:03 pm EST

RF4L.....before kitchen1 comes on here and scolds you......Rangers are NOT trading the #2 overall pick........and on a lesser note.....the Canucks would never even entertain trading all of that for the the #2 pick......That would the equivalent of the Cowboys trading Herschel Walker to the Minny Vikings......lol

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 11:19 am EST

I've mentioned before about possibly moving up in the draft to get Cozens. He is most likely go in the TOP 10 and the EDMONTON #9 pick could be in play. That said, watch him get taken 8th by the CANUCKS after we trade for the 9th pick :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:46 am EST

Meant to add that look at the POs - lots of nastiness that goes uncalled and there's no reason to envision that changing.

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:45 am EST

Wild: Cozens because he's more versatile - bigger, stronger and can play centre and wing and both ends of the ice. Caufield's size is concerning. I'm not saying he won't succeed but a top 10 pick? I don't know.

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:42 am EST

I have been thinking I would like the Rangers to try to move up and get Cozens....but Cole Caufield seems like he can’t help but score goals. Not that moving up for either would be bad, but if you had the choice which guy would you choose. Let’s say you can move up to the 5th spot or 6th spot and both are there (not likely but just for this exercise) who would you rather have....let’s also assume they both turn out how the projection people talk about them developing

Wildcard


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:30 am EST

Ranger47: The difference this year is that some of the top guys are trade acquisitions, so they didn’t have the same destructive regular season. They will have a little more left in the tank...

Wildcard


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:29 am EST

LIMBO: it does make it much more exciting compared to the other years they have missed. The last couple season they missed I barely payed attention because it sucked to not see the Rangers there...

Wildcard


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:12 am EST

Looking forward to seeing CBJ versus the Bruins. Should be a good physical matchup. What I always thought about Tortorella 's style of play was that he got the team so physically beat up blocking shots, etc, that by the time they got to the Finals they were the walking wounded who ran out of gas. Be interesting to see if this CBJ team can go the distance...

Ranger47


Thu Apr 25 2019 10:09 am EST

I'm rooting for the underdogs (which I do in general) and to get the better picks. But what I want to see most is the Isles bounced.

Ranger47


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:38 am EST

What a wild year this playoffs turned out to be. All 4 division winners being beaten by all 4 wild card teams is crazy on its own. But when you take a step back and look at the top 10 teams in the league 7 of them have been eliminated. Two of the three that made it through had to go to 7 games to do it and one of them was decided in overtime.

Vic


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:32 am EST

BTW, to build on my last post, every wildcard team advanced. Yowza! Unprecedented!

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:31 am EST

AON, look at all the teams knocked out first round that were expected to go deep including for some as far as the final round and winning the cup: Tampa, Washington, Winnipeg, Nashville and Calgary, not to mention albeit to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh. Add in Toronto with all their young talent but with holes, then consider the potential caps for some and the bevy of emerging stars who will be looking for HUGE 2nd contract paydays and we are potentially looking at a very busy off-season. If Gorton is indeed planning on doing some shopping, he may have picked the right year to do so.

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:27 am EST

trade: Interesting proposal but FWIW, I don't see Geo going anywhere until the Rangers know what they have with Shesk. They aren't looking for a 3rd bottoming out year - instead, I think they're setting their eyes on a possible PO finish (in the very least, being in the mix for one). Now how about this trade, assuming NJ takes KK: 2nd overall pick to Vancouver for Petersson, Boeser and the Canucks 1st pick this June and next and the latter cannot be lottery protected. As good as the Hughes brothers are (and will be in time), it's reasonable to project another non-PO finish with those 2 key assets gone and perhaps the Rangers strike gold again in next year's lottery...

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:13 am EST

the game winning goal last night in 2OT canes vs caps.... watch Ovechkin leave the zone premature and then not skate back at all.... i know hes an incredible player and finally got his cup last year but that looked like classic Ovechkin with the exception of last year.

richter35


Thu Apr 25 2019 9:03 am EST

HockeyStatMiner is actually a good follow whether you like stats or not. Here is a direct link to the chart. I think it will make many heads explode... https://twitter.com/HockeyStatMiner/status/1121255961233108992/photo/1

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 25 2019 8:41 am EST

Some dude on twitter created a chart depicting all possible finishes for the 8 remaining teams and what it means to the Jets and Stars picks for the Rangers. Here's a URL to his account - scroll down a bit to find it: https://twitter.com/HockeyStatMiner?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

rf4L


Thu Apr 25 2019 7:08 am EST

The Nyr have #2, so whatever they get 17-21, 27-31 let the gm try an Irving moofman bundle. And then hope no matter what otbg has the right advice for the gm. ...

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 25 2019 7:01 am EST

The teams I want to lose in the 2 Nd round are the fishstinks, b-ruins,San hose, and the bloos. ...

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 25 2019 6:04 am EST

When there’s no skin in it for me, I almost always root for the underdogs anyway. Luckily this time, there is skin. Go dogs!! And thanks Gorts for giving us more reasons to tune in for the playoffs. I know there’s been good hockey - I stayed up until 1:30am for that damn VGK game, but no way I am this engaged without those picks on the line.

Limbo


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:50 am EST

Easy way to remember it is that we need all the underdog's to win in this round. STARS so we can get their pick and the CANES, BJ's and AVS so we can move up with WINNIPEG pick ....MF... We need to go forward with the WINNIPEG pick, hopefully a center. No RHS defensemen there.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:33 am EST

ah ok....thanks Vic for that clarification

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:26 am EST

TRADE: Tampa has the 27th pick locked in. The four teams that advance to the Conference Finals pick 28th through 31st depending on who is in the finals and who wins the Cup. After that it is the division winners. Tampa had the best record in the league so they will finish with the 27th pick.

Vic


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:23 am EST

Stars @ #28 if they beat the Blues but lose in WCF.........#30 if the Stars go to the Cup and lose.......and #31 if Stars win the Stanley Cup

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:22 am EST

TRADE: Correct. Nothing changed from this morning. Carolina had to win tonight to keep that pick where it was. After the 2nd round we will know exactly where that pick ends up because the 4 teams in the conference finals pick 28th through 31st. So we need to push as many of the teams that finished below Winnipeg in the league standings into the 3rd round forcing them to pick after Winnipeg. So just keep in mind that it is at 18 right now. If/when Colorado, Columbus and Carolina are eliminated in the second round that pick moves back one spot for each. If all 3 win their 2nd round match-ups it stays at 18 for good regardless of what happens after that.

Vic


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:21 am EST

TB Lightning are locked in @ #29

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:20 am EST

Also VIC...on my flow chart ....if the Dallas Stars beat St. Louis.....the Rangers would get the Stars first round pick which would be either #28, #30 or #31

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:16 am EST

And of course if Dallas beats St. Louis the 2nd round pick the Rangers got for MZA this year turns into a first round pick. If that happens that pick will end up being somewhere between 28th and 31st depending on how Dallas does the rest of the way. But I'd be rooting for Dallas anyway. This is a really good team built to win in the playoffs. They play great D, have an awesome first line and the balance and depth to win in the playoffs. Don't be surprised if they end up in the finals.

Vic


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:15 am EST

Vic.....the chart from yesterday had us from 18 to 21 anyway.......so basically there is still a chance of moving from 18th to 19th or 20th or 21th......which is 1 or 2 or 3 spots depending on the rest of the playoffs up until the end results of the Conference finals

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:12 am EST

creeeeepy - craaaawly - creeeeepy - craaaawly - creepy creepy - crawly crawly ......Mor-itz the Seider

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:11 am EST

MF: To answer your question here is an update from my post this morning........Right now the Winnipeg pick is actually sitting at 17th. With the Vegas loss Vegas moves to the 16th spot for the time being. The Rangers really need Carolina to beat the Islanders in the 2nd round. If they don't then the Rangers draft slot gets one position worse. The Rangers need Columbus to beat Boston in the 2nd round. If that doesn't happen then the Rangers draft position gets one position worse. And the Rangers need Colorado to beat the Sharks in the 2nd round. If that doesn't happen then the Rangers draft slot gets one position worse. The loser of the Dallas/St. Louis series will automatically slide in below Winnipeg so that will drop it down one more spot. So we know right now that the pick can be no better then the 18th overall pick. If all three other scenarios go against the Rangers then the worst the pick could be is 21st.

Vic


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:11 am EST

MF.....Moritz Seider? That would be perfect for the Wall....You remember the song by THE WHO.....Boris the Spider?........Thats what we will be saying here when Moritz does something good...............MORITZ THE SEIDER (in that creepy voice)

tradestar28


Thu Apr 25 2019 1:03 am EST

Lookie here, all division winners won as many series as Rangers have, ZERO!! Glad to see Bobcock sucking big fat c..k... Can't stand him. Everything about him, gives you this impression that he thinks that he is better than everyone else. Cooper is the same way. Glad TB is out as well... Wanted that 1st, but it is what it is.. Everyone knew that Lafs weren't good enough to win the series. Even with JT, which was a great signing, btw... Toronto's team, is soft as shit, and missing real good physical "jam" players. Nylander looks lost playing for Bobcock. Mariner did not look good. Something tells me that Bobcock might be getting a pink slip very soon. I still want to help Lafs by taking Nylander off their hands.. Krieder sure will look great playing with JT. I would so package Krieder and Skjei to get Nylander and a pick? 2nd rounder? No worries, Lafs have $ room to take both Krieder and Skjei, since both Gardiner and Hainsey are pending UFA's and not coming back. Lafs will sure start looking for replacements.. Both Krieder and Skjei will fit right in. Both have good size, but not very physical, to say the least... Say we do get Dallas 1st. I can bet Jets will listen if we offer Dallas 1st , Vesey/Nemo for Trouba. Sign Panerin, and you are now will start resembling somewhat balanced NHL team. Just totally against signing 29 year old UFA's to max contracts, like Myers and Krieder. Much rather see younger players grow together as a team, and compete for a cup in 3-4 years, then watch older players decline with each year...

andrei


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:19 pm EST

Hospo no worries..... I'm thinking KAPPO COCK-O, maybe the big German kid RHS Dman MORITZ SEIDER, with the Win-a-Pig pick, and maybe FOOTE

mf


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:12 pm EST

Crapped out

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:10 pm EST

And a Dallas win against the Bkues gets us their first rounder to boot!

NCRanger


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:08 pm EST

I believe it’s Dallas in around 2 and Columbus and CO and the Canes. I think that gets us as low as we can go, just not sure where that is? I’m still unclear on that as well. Is it 18 or 19 now, with Vegas out?

NCRanger


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:07 pm EST

We need Carolina, Dallas, Columbus and Colorado to win to move down. They all win I believe the best we can do is 17.

steve443c10


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:05 pm EST

WILD - OK, I understaand that one..but still like the blues better! I'll try not to watch that series then!

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:03 pm EST

MF - Sorry..That sounded harsh..I understand you guys rooting solely for the draft pick position, but that ruins my enjoyment of rooting for the team I like better..The picks will be fine wither way

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:03 pm EST

Hospo: I don't care where the 1st rounder falls...but I would like another 1st rounder so I am rooting for the Stars....

Wildcard


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:00 pm EST

NCRangewr - ANd yeah..A big fuck you to Don cherry..Good to see the Canesgo further, the Leafs lose, and now the BJs have to beat the Bruins

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:59 pm EST

MF - Personally , I couldnt care less about the picsk, we will get good ones either way and it will be uo to Girdo to maiximizde the return with his bevy of picks and all the trade ammo...I'm rooting for the BJs, Cabes, Blues and dont give a shut about the shark-Avs series

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:58 pm EST

So happy for my Carolina Caniacs! Be your biggest jerk selves against the fish sticks and send them packing!!

NCRanger


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:55 pm EST

Will someone answer TradeStar? Who are we supposed to root for now so we maximize our picks???

mf


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:52 pm EST

This is the first time in major North American pro sports history (NHL/NBA/MLB/NFL) that every division winner was eliminated in their opening series /game

Wildcard


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:43 pm EST

Ok....where does that Jets 1st rounder land now? What is the floor and ceiling? I know the floor is 18....so did we inch closer after this game?

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:37 pm EST

Adrian Dater @adater · 2m It’s official: all four wild card teams beat the top-4 seeded teams in NHL first round.

Wildcard


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:36 pm EST

Wow, what a game. That is why I said just get it to game 7 and anything can happen. The Caps were the better team for a good chunk of regulation but the Canes owned both overtimes. The younger legs and energy really showed. They deserved the win. Now on to round two. Go STARS!!!!

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:35 pm EST

I don't agree. I think that's going to be a good series. Obviously, the Douchelanders have a huge advantage in game 1.

kitchen1


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:34 pm EST

yes to beth Kitchen1 and tdchi

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:33 pm EST

Although I bet the Isles are licking their chops right now...

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:33 pm EST

The better team won.

kitchen1


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:32 pm EST

Possibly the smartest signing ever: Justin WILLIAMS. The guy is a playoff BEAST.

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:31 pm EST

trade - yes..and their coach even preaches "whistel to whistle"

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:31 pm EST

Yeah, Baby!!!!

RF73


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:31 pm EST

Justin Fuckin Williams! Mr. Game 7!!!

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:05 pm EST

kitchen1....the Canes play very smart....they are putting pucks in the right places, they have really good d-man coverage.....they move it out of their zone quickly.....they constantly back check....they cycle the puck well and make smart low risk passes......reminds me of the Rangers of 2014

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:52 pm EST

I'll tell ya. The Canes have the edge in OT. CAps fans sweating it

NYStranger


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:49 pm EST

Don't know if anyone is watching but Carolina is absolutely flying in OT. They are an impressive young team. They deserve this game!!!

kitchen1


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:46 pm EST

That should read PP...

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:45 pm EST

Another blown call. That should be a PO for Carolina. Need a coaches challenge for penalties!!!!

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:29 pm EST

tradestar28: That trade proposal...its hard to say yes because Georgiev along with the Russian wiz kid could end up being a great 1-2 punch in net someday....but damn, that trade would bolster the rest of the team so much, and open up the opportunity to move other forwards to get other assets...perhaps a mid round pick could come back to grab another keeper to take that spot in a few years as the #2 even. Not sure what the goalie class looks like this year though. Anyway, I think you have to do that deal if its out there. Would the Kings do that trade for the #5? Maybe not that exact trade, but Name maybe as well, or some other guy, Vesey? the Jets 1st rounder and Georgiev? I mean Its not going to be the most popular idea, but its worth looking into.

Wildcard


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:28 pm EST

Would love for the Canes to win as long as they beat the Islanders

rngrsans


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:16 pm EST

please lord.....lover all things matzah......give this one to the Canes...

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:06 pm EST

OT. Anything can happen now. Go Canes!!!!

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 8:57 pm EST

3-3

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 8:39 pm EST

The way the Caps and Canes are playing: a little worried about either beating Isles

rngrsans


Wed Apr 24 2019 8:18 pm EST

I can't stand OV and Wilson......Unfortunately....if the Craps win....I will have to root for those two mooks

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 8:16 pm EST

Yep..Canes not going away after it was 3-1I really like WIlson and Ovie, but want the Canes

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 8:13 pm EST

3-2 caps so far

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 6:57 pm EST

So Carolina is already down 2 to 0. Not looking good....

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 6:56 pm EST

looks like the hurricanes didnt show up.....more like cloudy with the chance of meat balls

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 6:02 pm EST

Imagine Rangers with both Byfield and K'Andre Miller? that would confuse Dolan....he will think that the Rangers are the Knicks

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 6:01 pm EST

E- we can even throw Stinky into the deal.....we know he loves playing with star players! Its on his resume

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 5:59 pm EST

Then we suck one more time in 19-20 and draft Byfield or Alex Lafrienere in June 2020

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 5:59 pm EST

TRADE: absolutely. That’s why it won’t happen...

E


Wed Apr 24 2019 5:57 pm EST

Would you package Georgiev and the Jets 1st rounder for Edmonton's #8 overall? And then take Cole Caufield/Turcotte/Podkolzin? .....Let Henrik ride out his contract as starter in 2019-20.....and then bring in the Russian Czar Shestyorkin for 21-22 starter

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 5:18 pm EST

VIC: I see no worse for wear dropping in the first at the bottom. The board hits the fan after-10. The New York Rangers will likely be able to get a guy that they want with NHL upside. So we’ll see. But slide up-slide down where they are? I don’t see any issue there. Not to mention that the New York Rangers have the picks to move up if they want. personally, I wouldn’t mind if they pack the pick for a young guy ready to play.

E


Wed Apr 24 2019 5:03 pm EST

TD: Here is how I looked at the Vegas/San Jose series. We wanted Vegas to win because that way the Rangers would only lose one draft spot when Colorado or Vegas lost their second round series against each other. By Vegas losing in the first round we lose a spot because Vegas is out and will get a better draft pick then Winnipeg, and we are in jeopardy of losing a 2nd spot if San Jose now beats Colorado. So yes, we were always going to lose one spot. But with the Vegas loss now we are at risk to lose a second spot.

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 4:32 pm EST

Vic - nah didn’t cost us anything by my math. Look: Colorado won, and they are lower than Vegas. If Vegas beats SJ, then the loser of the Knights-Avalanche drafts higher than the Jets, no matter what. Both teams had worse records... What IS true is that what was before and either/or now turns into a Colorado MUST go to the conference finals for us to slide into a better draft position. So to maximize our return, CFs must look like DAL/STL V. COL and CAR V. CBJ. If Washington wins, we are assured a bump down on spot, because CAR will get a better slot. Ditto if BOS beats CBJ. And the DAL-STL series is really all about the Zucc trade, because one of those teams will bump us down another spot.

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 3:32 pm EST

Kerry Fraser Also was a guy who would go and tell the bench he messed up if e did and found out later between periods or whatever. The man was not too proud to keep learning and developing his abilities. That’s why he was one of the best. I think him in charge of officials would be a big help.

Wildcard


Wed Apr 24 2019 3:12 pm EST

trade not enough karma....Nash had to retire....

stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 3:09 pm EST

stevie: I agree. The wrong call was made regardless of what the refs saw. Clearly, they (incorrectly) assumed something (a crosscheck from Eakins to Pavelski's head or an elbow to Pavelski's head from the 2nd Shower). The match penalty, however, was the right one GIVEN that assumption.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:54 pm EST

Rhet: Rightfully so. Nylander was horrible - played on the fringe the entire series, just as he did when he came off his hold out. An absolute wash-out year for him. Marner was another example of misuse by Blabcock. He used the JT line to shut-down the Bergeron line and it worked. Marner wasn't nearly as effective in that shut-down role as JT and Hyman were. Cassidy often put out Chara and Chipmunk against that line, meaning Marner was up against that giant freak of nature, who had a hayday all series cheapshooting Leafs, Marner included. Blabcock should have swapped Marner with either Kapenan (put him with Matthews or Marslow (put him with Nylander). He didn't. Blabcock made zero adjustmeents other than the one he had no choice but to make because Kadri was suspended. He kept all 4 lines together and kept rolling them out regardless of what the score was and how deep in the game it was. It was and still is baffling. Matthews, the best Leaf forward most of the series, got less than 19 minutes of icetime last night - his lowest all series. WTF? Blabcock is getting lots of grief here, deservedly so. I cannot figure out his motive here. IMO, he's the single biggest reason the Leafs were ousted.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:45 pm EST

Karma for the Rick Nash hit - http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26586322/sabres-bogosian-5-6-months-surgery

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:45 pm EST

TO fans are trashing NYLANDER and completely letting MARNER off the hook(pretty much anyway).

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:43 pm EST

More importantly.....can the Stars beat the Blues?

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:42 pm EST

https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com/2019/04/24/nhl-stanley-cup-playoff-odds-update-massive-changes-at-top-of-board/

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:40 pm EST

Stevie ... When writing that post, I was thinking of the playoffs. They’re too important to get wrong.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:37 pm EST

I’v said it before, I’ say it again, The NHL should put Kerry Fraser in charge of officiating. Love him or hate him, more often than not, he got the call right ...RF4L... Agreed.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:32 pm EST

rhet especially in the playoffs....rf4l the 2nd hit was not a match penalty either ...Toronto has stepped in for less.....there has to be some credibility , especially since there wasn't even an armed raised for a penalty.....the refs were inconclusive ....if not a playoff game then it's business as usual...but a game 7, nfw should it be....

stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:32 pm EST

Kerry Fraser is the Judge Judy of NHL bad calls?

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:25 pm EST

If the refs felt both Shower players were guilty (meaning the saw the entire incident) the call should have been 2 minutes crosschecking to Eakins and a match penalty for roughing/interference/whatever for the 2nd player.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:22 pm EST

Rhet: Maybe but look how long they take sometimes to review a goal. It can be ridiculous. That said, I think replays of any kind cannot take longer than 2 minutes - if you gotta look at 5000 angles to figure out if the call on the ice was incorrectly made, then it wasn't.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:20 pm EST

E: I don't disagree on Lemieux but he's got some work to do to get there. I saw flashes but nothing consistent and there were a few instances where the opposition were running Rangers and he was quiet. He'll be 24 when the season starts and entering his 4th professional season - he's being presented, for the first time, a legitimate opportunity to establish himself as a viable NHLer. He needs to run with this. I'm not saying if he doesn't, he's a bust but he'll be risking being slotted as a bottom 6er, at best, going forward.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:15 pm EST

IMO, a hockey game should never be decided by a bad call, whether one team ‘deserves’ to win or not. The League watches these games, they should intervene when a call is blown that badly. It’s not like it would take any longer than it already does to review it. The refs last night combined what two players did to make one call. I’ve never seen anything like that. It makes the NHL a total laughingstock, but that’s to be expected in the age of Bettman.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:15 pm EST

A first round of off the charts drama that featured crazy upsets and dramatic shifts in fortune went to hit a new level Tuesday night when Golden Knights center Cody Eakin cross-checked Sharks captain Joe Pavelski off a faceoff in the Vegas zone midway through the third period of Game 7. At the time, Vegas led 3-0 and was trying to not choke away a 3-1 series lead entirely. Eakin’s cross-check caught Pavelski in the chest area. He lost his balance and ended up falling over the leg of Vegas forward Paul Stastny, who was trying to get a bead on where the puck went after the draw. Pavelski could not brace himself after contact with Stastny and struck his head on the ice. It was horrific. Pavelski lay motionless as blood pooled near his head. Officials who had not appeared to be calling a penalty on the play – replays show no arm raised indicating a penalty was forthcoming – huddled and assessed a major penalty for cross-checking that saw Eakin ejected and...

stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:15 pm EST

Just watched the play that led to Eakins being kicked out. For sure a missed call but I'm finding it tough to blame the officials for this. Crosschecks and crap at the FO circle after the puck is dropped happens all the time (and a lot of that crap could be penalized, too, but rarely is). A routine play in today's NHL in other words, and because the puck was already going back to the point, the refs were shifting their focus elsewhere. As a result, they didn't fully see and comprehend the subsequent collision Pavelski had with the other player that was the actual cause of his head hitting the ice. Given that and the optics - Pavelski down, hardly moving, and with blood pooling on the ice under his head - they must have assumed, that Eakins had crosschecked Pavelski in the head. That assumption, right or wrong, became the call and that call is/was a match penalty. It then played a significant role in the outcome of the game and ultimately the series. Looks good on the NHL AFAIC. These idiots refuse to acknowledge they have a serious officiating problem, let alone try to truly address it. And guess what? I guarantee until/unless the NHL comes to their sense, these missed calls will continue to mar the game over and over and over again.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:14 pm EST

Reached at his home in Florida on Wednesday morning, retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser hadn’t yet seen the most controversial call of the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs — the third-period five-minute major assessed to Cody Eakin that changed the complexion of Tuesday’s Game 7 between the Golden Knights and Sharks and was a source of supreme controversy. When Fraser called back 10 minutes later after reviewing the play, all he initially offered up was one word: “Wow.” Fraser had the play freeze-framed and pointed out all the elements that converged to make this situation a highly unusual one. The call, a cross-checking major on Vegas’ Eakin against San Jose’s Joe Pavelski, was made after a clean faceoff win by Pavelski, where the linesman’s attention was diverted away from the two players. Pavelski, off balance first from a post-faceoff shove in the chest from Eakin and then secondary contact from Vegas forward Paul Stastny,...

stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 2:06 pm EST

When anyone can prove that hit deserved a major penalty for that hit, then you can say the outcome was ok . Of course the nhl won’t rescind that call like they did with zbad. If it were the Nyr, they deserved to lose ? It’s history, but they were robbed of going to round 2 no matter how much they shot themselves in the foot. That blown call was the game. 4 minute double minor should have been the most, even if making it a 5-3 for 2 and 5-4 for 2 . You can opinion away the facts , but it doesn’t make it a fact. ...Unless lb says it is...:

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 1:58 pm EST

RF: I definitely think that Lemieux has top-9 potential. And I think he will be in the top-9 next season. I just like that kid. He is a force of nature like his father. And if he can learn to cool his jets with discipline at the right times? I see a guy that’s gonna get the chance to be real solid.

E


Wed Apr 24 2019 1:29 pm EST

PJ: a step beyond. If you can’t put a team away that’s down 1-3 on the series? You deserve to lose.

E


Wed Apr 24 2019 1:17 pm EST

Vic.....thanks for the explanation! After reading that....I was like Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School" when he says after the math test, "I Feel like I just gave birth to an accountant!"

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:35 am EST

21st overall suits me fine when you realize most (especially jet management) were thinking 27th minimum and perhaps 30th or 31st. Nice trade that gets nicer if Lemieux can be a true top 9 and perhaps top 6 forward.

RF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 11:25 am EST

Good call? Bad call? Whatever....You allow 4 PP goals in 4 minutes you are screwed....Hell, just allow 2 and you win...Shouldn't be that difficult...

PJ


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:55 am EST

VIC... It looks right. Tough road to travel. If the AVS and BJ's continue to play like they did in the first round, I could see them getting there, but that's a lot to ask of the CANES :) ... Of course it also doesn't help that the BJ's and AVS have had a lot of days off either.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:52 am EST

And lastly, I’ll state this. SK was coming out on the short end of a ton of tricky tack B/S calls all series long. And while I’d hate to think that the refs “equalized” as they’ve been known to do at that moment in a game-7 of a series, they handed LV PP after PP all series long. Just marginal crap seemed to fall their way. A lot of WTF stuff that would have every NYR fan pretty frustrated. LV deserves an Oscar for some great acting. So maybe it was a little hockey karma come back. But it’s easy to step back as a lot of media would and just point out a play. But they’d miss the entire tenor and tone for what was a pretty tough played series with SJ seemingly being forced to try to regain momentum when they’re being hit for a lot of marginal crap. If they’re gonna over-ref a series than I’m not gonna boo-hoo when someone does something egregious too much. Personally, I just want the refs to piss off and let the game play out.

E


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:48 am EST

E it's not 1 minute , if a double minor only 2 could be scored. they scored 4 because it was a 5 minute major, that's a big difference.

stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:46 am EST

We also need DALLAS to win against the BLUES so we can get the STARS 1st Rounder.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:42 am EST

RHET: Yes, that is what I have unless I made a mistake on something.

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:37 am EST

VIC... I haven't given it a real look today, but I believe if the CANES beat the CAPS and the NYI's, the BJ's beat the BRUINS and the AVS beat the SHARKS, we can still get to the 18th pick. Correct?

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:33 am EST

I saw a bunch of things in play during that call. 1. There was a penalty x2 for sure. 2. Eakins has been running around all series long like a moron hacking and whacking his way along. I’m sure the refs were aware of it. And I’m willing to bet that the refs warned him to knock it off. 3. He clocked Hertl earlier on a F/O with a high cross off a faceoff earlier. And so he did it again. I’m not sure I hold anyone else to that scrutiny in the play. But that’s a double minor by the book. Any day of the week. The egregious nature of his repeated actions after multiple incidents gives any ref in the NHL the right to get that guy out of the game. Because of his actions, Pavelski was bleeding and unconscious. Yeah, I get it. I’d be angry at the refs if I was LV. I’d think I just got screwed. But I’d also be thinking, “why the hell did Eakins just do that???” You have the game won. Stay disciplined, keep your stick down, and close out the series. But Eakins couldn’t do that. It was a dumb play that was definitely worth a double minor. I think the refs made a judgement call on the 5. I’m not sure I like judgement calls in this situation at this time but Eakins was a douchebag. He managed to sink his team with his stupidity. But, calls aside, they had SJ beat and multiple chances to put them down and they didn’t. And a PP of SJ capabilities incensed? They were gonna make them pay. LV played abysmal on the PK. They were chasing all over. And SJ, scores off the snap by Coutre from where he always scores on the PP. they didn’t clear a double screen on the second. Again failed to cover Couture in space. And then just literally allowed LeBanc to walk right in with a clear view. So, I’m not gonna cry too much for LV. Even if it was a 4-minute the way they played the PK and got pulled apart SJ was gonna run the scoreboard. So, it boiled down to a judgement call. But what we are arguing is 1-minute and whether a notoriously dirty player like Eakins deserves a lesser sentence. Would Wilson not get the maximum to a refs discretion? Of course he would.

E


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:29 am EST

Actually TRADE, I think I'm one slot off. I just looked at all of this again and I'll roll it up into a summary. Right now the Winnipeg pick is actually sitting at 17th. With the Vegas loss they move to the 16th spot for the time being. The Rangers really need Carolina to win tonight, and then go on to beat the Islanders in the 2nd round. If those two things don't happen then the Rangers draft slot gets one position worse. The Rangers need Columbus to beat Boston in the 2nd round. If that doesn't happen then the Rangers draft position gets one position worse. And the Rangers need Colorado to beat the Sharks in the 2nd round. If that doesn't happen then the Rangers draft slot gets one position worse. The loser of the Dallas/St. Louis series will automatically slide in below Winnipeg so that will drop it down one more spot. So we know right now that the pick can be no better then the 18th overall pick. If all three other scenarios go against the Rangers then the worst the pick could be is 21st. I think I have that right now....

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:19 am EST

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger.... The Oilers will respect the appropriate time to allow Kelly McCrimmon and the Vegas Golden Knights to sort through end of season procedure. However, request for permission to interview McCrimmon for Oilers gm job will happen in near future.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:13 am EST

That is why the winner of the Boston/Toronto series didn't matter. Both teams finished above Winnipeg in the standings.

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:12 am EST

TRADE: The other way around. If Carolina is eliminated tonight the lowest the Rangers pick can be is 20th. If they win it stays at 19. What you need to look for is teams that finished below Winnipeg in the standings. If any of those teams are eliminated in the first two rounds then they slide in below Winnipeg in the draft order (meaning they pick before Winnipeg).

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:09 am EST

Vic...you sure about that? So what you are saying is that the Rangers pick 19th and move to 18th with Caps loss tonight?

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:02 am EST

TD: One other thing. The Vegas loss did cost the Rangers a draft slot. Vegas finished lower in the standings then Winnipeg. That means that the lowest the Rangers pick can be is 19th now.

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 10:01 am EST

TD: Nobody is saying what they are saying to benefit the Knights. We are saying what we are saying because it keeps happening over and over again. If you have an officiating system that makes major mistakes impacting the outcome of games and playoff series then you have a Mickey Mouse league. Simple as that. The league needs to do something to reduce both the number of mistakes made by the officials and the severity of the impact of those mistakes. Why should anyone watch this league if a playoff game and series can be taken from your team due to officiating incompetence. I don't watch "sports" that are judged (gymnastics, x games, figure skating, etc.). I can't stand them. When the outcome of a sporting event is decided by anyone other then the competitors it is joke. I don't call those things "sports". I call them Athletic Competitions. It doesn't mean that the people who participate aren't tremendous athletes. They are. But they aren't involved in a sport. When NHL officiating interferes with the outcome of a game......when it directly impacts who wins and loses through incorrect calls made for or against a team it ceases to be a sport.

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:57 am EST

Tdchi all basically true except you get 2 for embellishments, but that didn’t deserve a five minute major . It should have been 2 for Eakins and 2 for Stastny at the most . ......You can clean hit a guy , and he could hit his head on the ice. The refs can’t call a clean hit a penalty because the guy got injured. Nor should they increase it because he fell and hit his head. They let head shots go or only call 2 minutes, while guys have to leave the ice for concussion protocol. ... if it was a Nyr playoff game , I’m pretty sure you would be of a different opinion.

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:47 am EST

Tradestar - BOS-TOR mean nothing to us...unless Boston beats Columbus...I would have fathered the Leafs play them...worse defense and worse goaltending...but such is life. A very well rested Jackets team is going to square off against a fairly tired Bruins...if the B’s go to the conference finals, that’s when we start losing draft position...and on a related note, the Vegas loss did put us on warning for the next series...Colorado must beat San Jose...otherwise we have another op to slip...now we need a win from Carolina to knockout another top seed!!

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:45 am EST

TD: re bad calls - I've been saying this for like 2 years and will say it again: Take 1 ref off the ice and put him in the pressbox and mic the 2 refs together. Give the pressboxed ref ability to do 30 second instant replays (or something like that - the timing would have to be thought thru and trialed). The game is simply too fast to call properly now, not to mention stuff like players hanging on to each other so you cannot clearly discern if someone is being hooked/held or is doing the hooking/holding. Something considerably different needs to be introduced and my suggestion is far better than anything else I've seen (which is basically nothing). A good example of how it's not working (besides all the missed and incorrect calls) is how frequently a ref 5 to 10 feet away from an alleged infraction doesn't call it but the ref 40 feet away does. That alone is enough evidence that it's simply too difficult because of the speed for someone to make a judgement call in an instant and get it right consistently. Just dumb dumb dumb.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:39 am EST

The notion of the refs deciding the game has always irked me in that it's the players making the plays - not the refs. The refs respond to those plays (increasingly more often than not incorrectly but that;s another story). It's usually dinosaurs like Don Cherry who's career is founded on goonery who trot out that cliche because they want goon tactics to be in the game. It's a dumb argument because it's the players handing out the goon tactics.

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:36 am EST

Bob - I would have been pissed about the call...I wouldn’t have blamed the loss on it. You can’t give up four goals in less than five minutes whe you’re just down a man and not take at least some ownership of that...I’d be calling for the heads of out PLers and our goalie for sure. But you can’t blame that call on changing the overall outcome.

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:33 am EST

Vic - I will stop watching hockey once and for all if the NHL implements a coach’s challenge system with penalties. That would reduce the game to something that resembles football. It’s bad enough that we have that stupid system to begin with. I mean, why have a ref at all? I’m astounded so many of you are siding with the Entilted Knights on this one. I’m no fan of the Sharks, but the better team won.

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 9:18 am EST

Oh PUHLEASE. You can blame the refs for just so much...but the epic collapse of the Vegas Entitled Knights is just over the line...first and foremost...do any of y’all know or remember Cody EAKIN? Maybe not. But this is the same piece of shit that drilled Hank behind the net so hard that his helmet flew off. He’s a little dirt bag in other words. It’s not like this is his first trip to the rodeo...second...your team is up THREE-ZIP. I actually stopped watching after the third goal, thinking it was wrapped up. So why the fuck is EAKIN throwing a cross check in the face off circle?!! Why thenhell are ya’ gonna tempt fate against a team with BURNS and KARLSSON on their blueline?!! All Vegas needed to do was play clean chip and chase hockey for 10 minute(!!!). The Wilted Flower was playing good and the Sharks looked largely deflated...so why throw that cheap shit?!?....now third and above all...look: if you CAN’T kill off a five minute major without giving up theee goals then you don’t belong in the playoffs. Simple as that. Teams ROUTINELY kill off five minute majors without giving up a goal. Happens all the time. And even if they give up “A” goal, it’s usually just that...but FOUR?! Man, your team and your tender suck. Sorry, but that is 110 percent on you and your numbnuts coach. If you can’t settle your squad down after the first two goals, then you’re a bunch of immature punks...I am laughing outloud at the notion the refs somehow decided that game...would I have called a five minute major? Meh? Probably. The guy was badly hurt. And fact of the matter is, if Rocks-for-Brains doesn’t throw that stupid ill-timed hit, PAVELSKI never goes down and there’s no penalty at all...so how can fans not reason that?! I’ll tell you: Vegas fans and the team in general now think they’re owed something. Two years of success has gone to the collective heads of that franchise. Tell you what Vegas: OWN YOUR FAILURE. You screwed up. You shit the bed. Own it. Don’t whine like a bunch of entitled little bitches. Own. Because you got owned.

tdchi


Wed Apr 24 2019 8:05 am EST

You would think the nhl would let the refs look at that hit on video. But no , they decide from memory and results. If Stastny isn’t there to hit him as Pavelski loses his balance falling into him , it’s very doubtful he hits his head .

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:42 am EST

Rf4l it’s as usual the refs deciding the outcome of a game and a series. Why didn’t Toronto step in to overrule that call ? Because they were in on it , not looking to see it was purely accidental injury. If he cross checked him to the head to cause that , then it’s an intent to injure. It was a pinball injury.

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:37 am EST

https://youtu.be/RNSfDDF05Nk

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:37 am EST

Didn't see the SJ/Shower game and didn't see the Eakins hit but I am finding it amusing that once again incompetent officiating is the number 1 topic of another NHL hockey game. Incredible. Buttman must be so proud!

rF4l


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:37 am EST

Here is the explanation of the penalty on Cody Eakin from series supervisor Don vanMassenhoven: “The referees called a crosschecking penalty for an infraction that caused a significant injury. In their judgment, the infraction and its result merited a major penalty.” — Jesse Granger (@JesseGranger_) April 24, 2019

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:15 am EST

What an awful situation with that call and injury, but I can't help to feel that its one of those "crap happens" situations. Any penalty that results in an injury shall be a 5 minute major. When I saw the play in real time it went so fast and it looked like he got up his stick high, I am sure it was the same for the ref's. Then its maximum bad luck that it decides a series.

Ola


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:10 am EST

Vic the most they should have called was 2 for Eakins and 2 for stasny. No way was that a 5 minute major . And Las Vegas accommodated by giving up 4 and losing the series after being up 3-1 . Winning that 4 th is a big hurdle. ( hertl) ... that hurts....

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 7:08 am EST

Agree, brutal call. Can't see how that is 5 and a game. Miss-read by officials or dare I bring up conspiracy? Lol. But this is exactly what I was talking about yesterday but with intent to blow the whistle BS. Just another way for refs (NHL) to influence games and series. I do think these calls or non calls should be challenge-able.

NYStranger


Wed Apr 24 2019 6:58 am EST

STEVIE: Just another reason why coaches need to have the ability to challenge penalty calls and non calls. If Vegas had the ability to challenge that call it would have been overturned and they would have given at most a 2 minute cross check penalty for the cross check to his chest. TD and I were talking about this the other day. Like I said then, I don't care if it slows the game down or damages the flow of the game. A call or non call can decide a game or a playoff series.....and that one did.

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 6:42 am EST

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/graphic-video-brutal-hit-knocks-san-joses-joe-pavelski-to-the-ice-during-sharks-ot-win-over-vegas

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 1:14 am EST

If the Rangers were the victims of a call like that, we would all have gone utterly ballistic.

Bob


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:49 am EST

BOB - I'm with you, looks like LV got hosed big time with that call..But..to give up FOUR PPGs and let a 3-0 game and 3-1 series lead slip way..they deserved to lose and/or Sj deserved to win after everybody was burying them and burying Martin Jones....Much more of a fan of LV than the Sharks and thought they were the more compete team but rose to the occasion the last three games and LV didnt...Cant say I care about SJ-Avs on bit..or the other west series for that matter

Hospo


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:39 am EST

That is one of the worst hose jobs by NHL officials that I have seen. Pavelski pushed battling for a face off, falls down. No call by either ref until he is hurt, then a 5 and a game. Absolutely pathetic.

Bob


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:31 am EST

Giving up 4 pp goals on a undeserved 5 minute major is absurd. That’s all folks!

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:29 am EST

So weird seeing Ray Ferraro nowadays.......He looks exactly like my 10th grade Trigonometry teacher.....who also doubled as my Driver's Ed teacher

tradestar28


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:28 am EST

Man, someone needs to knock out the rest of Logan Couture's teeth.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:26 am EST

How do you let GOODROW beat you?

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:26 am EST

How do you let GOODROW beat you?

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:25 am EST

SHIT!!! Vegas, you choked this series away. And that third period will go down in history as one of the most epic fails ever. Unbelievable......

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:18 am EST

Jesus Christ....FLEURY is flopping around like a baby seal being clubbed. He looks awful....

Vic


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:17 am EST

Must've been PTSD.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:17 am EST

What was FLEURY doing there?

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 24 2019 12:05 am EST

Got it, Vic.......Meanwhile these two teams came out in OT in turbo mode.....Usually teams will slow play it in the first 10 minutes like new dogs sniffing each others ass at the dog park.......Vegas and SJS are like Game of Thrones ice version

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:55 pm EST

The game was 3 to 0 Vegas with about 15 minutes left. I thought that it was over for sure and switched channels to watch the Texas Rangers at bat in the top of the 6th inning. I turned it back and it was 4 to 3 San Jose. I was floored. How????? Then they showed the replay of the penalty and the 4 goals on the subsequent PP. That will go down as the worst penalty ever taken in the history of the NHL. Glad Vegas tied it up and I hope they can win it in OT. What a wild game.....

Vic


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:52 pm EST

TRADE: Boston and Toronto both had more points then Winnipeg so it didn't matter who won that series.

Vic


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:47 pm EST

I am guessing bruins win cost the Rangers a spot and best we can draft is 19th with Caps loss? Is that right?

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:42 pm EST

So KentuckyRanger.....if Vegas wins....the Rangers are guaranteed pick #20 (or better) .....How do they move up the extra 1 or 2 spots? Washington losing?

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:41 pm EST

As a reminder, VEGAS was up 3-1 in this series.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:39 pm EST

San Jose does not deserve to win this game

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:37 pm EST

Omg - Marchessault ties it. I just wanted to go to bed. Damn you Vegas and SJ

NCRanger


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:37 pm EST

You know, before this game went up 3-0, I was feeling like this game would be decided in OT and now it looks just like that. 4-4.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:37 pm EST

so they took the puck to optomologist

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:36 pm EST

Tied

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:34 pm EST

Damn.....LVK had a ton of chances......the puck does not have eyes for them right now

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:29 pm EST

How is cross checking a 5 minute major ? The injury happened because of stasny not eakins . That’s not the right call .

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:29 pm EST

News reporting that Eakin is driving north to the Golden Gate bridge right now

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:26 pm EST

Scratch that...10 minutes from seeing pick 20

NCRanger


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:25 pm EST

Wow what a collapse in SJ. Eakin woke up a fuckin bear. I’ve never seen anything like this. Biggest factor in playoffs isn’t toughness, skill, or talent. It’s momentum. Goodbye 20 pick for now. We were 20 minutes from seeing it

NCRanger


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:24 pm EST

Bark Andre-Fleury just got eaten by a shark

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:24 pm EST

I would not be happy with that 5 minute major call . That was overkill .. 4-3 San Jose and the refs

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:22 pm EST

wow SJS

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:22 pm EST

3-3

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:19 pm EST

Now the pp is working for San Jose 3-2 and still on pp major

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:17 pm EST

Hopefully the Ranger stay away from Karlsson this summer.....even if Henrik begs management to bring him here for his own curtail call last 2 seasons

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:14 pm EST

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli ..... Erik Karlsson has been on the ice for 17 of the 24 goals scored by #VGK in this series, including the first two in Game 7.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:04 pm EST

3-0 15 minutes to go

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 10:50 pm EST

So far special teams pp failure by do you know the way to San Jose. ...E a good gm will build their team for the playoffs and hire a coach for that purpose.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 10:05 pm EST

Grizzle > Sizzle. These teams of virtual superstars (TB and TO) at every position just don’t seem to see nearly the success as do teams with grit and talent sprinkled all over the lineup. Columbus, Boston, and the NYI just seem built for post season play whereas TO and TB are built to finish the season with home ice advantage. This is part of the reason why right now I’ve at least in terms of type of player I’ve been happy with Gorton. And when you add Kakko who supposedly likes to throw around the weight a bit the New York Rangers are building a heavy team. And it isn’t all about crushing checks. Columbus took TB to the glass and took away the speed. Dragged TB into the deep end of the pool.

E


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:59 pm EST

TRADE- Yep, they gotta pay Marner, right? I'd trade NYlander for cheaper and doffernt type of players the Leafs need..especaiily after the ydeal Kadri! That's two years in a row for hium, Isn't it?...RF4L - Well, then get your ass off this board and go root for your freakin Leafs..Hows that for a kitchen1 impersonation?..but ,seriously, haven never liked the Leafs or their whining fans...like the ones whining about Chara.....Jsut kidding

Hospo


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:42 pm EST

Hospo: I'm a Leaf fan. Why are you so mean?

rF4l


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:29 pm EST

Cup to anyone except Isles!

rngrsans


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:23 pm EST

Nylander Is a goner 7 goals in 54 games and a horrible playoff performance I can see the Leafs trading him and possibly Kadri

tlats


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:17 pm EST

Hate to see it happen, but can you imagine what it would fell like being John Tavares going to Toronto to win a Cup in the year the Isles win one....

Ranger47


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:06 pm EST

Dont blame the Bruins and Chara for playing thaat way, I would if the refs let me..The Bruins arent an especially tough team but the Leafs just arent built for PO hockey..Guys like Jenner, Folignho, Dubinsky , Anderson, etd.. along with their skill (Panarin, Duchense, etc..) shiuld fare better..I hope..

Hospo


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:02 pm EST

So freakin glad to see the Loafs and their fans bounced..It looks good on them...Now, Hopefully, the BJS can do the same to Bruins, their fans and Jack Edwards! So,who does Kadri play for next year?

Hospo


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:51 pm EST

Seems that if Auston Matthews was on another team, or coached by someone else, he would get more ice time. Don't you think?

Bob


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:45 pm EST

TO has not won a playoff series in 15 years, it sounds like they need Kevin Shattenkirk, he'll fix everything that ails them. I promise.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:42 pm EST

MF.... TROUBE had a 1-year $5.5 MIL dollar contact, but I guess you're factually correct.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:37 pm EST

That cheap crap Boston pulls will not go unanswered by Columbus. That might be fun to watch.

Bob


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:29 pm EST

Damn leafs

rngrsans


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:29 pm EST

Bob, that's because Toronto is softer than baby shit....Say goodnight Gracie

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:19 pm EST

I really hate that the Maple Leafs are choking again against Boston. I also don't get why NBCSN allows Milbury in the booth, and especially for Boston games. Also, I heard all season how great Morgan Reilly is, but he has been a turnover machine in this series. Wonder if the bloom is fading off the Babcock rose. Boston is second of these tams in talent and skill yet always knock them out.

Bob


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:16 pm EST

Stevie. Yrah. Hw finally after all these years realized the sheer idiocy of the Yashin and Dipetro trades.

RF4l


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:15 pm EST

Damn...the Leafs are the Laffs once again.....imagine the Rangers had Marner, Tavares, Matthews and Nylander....we would be firing our rifles in the air and handing out sweets like they do in Mid East

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:14 pm EST

They're gonna. Leafs not up to the task. Again.

RF4l


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:13 pm EST

RF4L.....they did NOT show the Chara punch to #91 here in the USA telecast

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:06 pm EST

I don’t want the bruins to win damnit

rngrsans


Tue Apr 23 2019 7:56 pm EST

ICYMI: Milbury dropped an F-bomb on the live broadcast

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 7:54 pm EST

Trade...in the scrum started by the phuck ass Bruins Chara sucker punches JT in the side of the head. Jt didn't even see it. 5 minute major and game misconduct is the right call. This is Gary Buttman's NHL so there will be no call.

RF4l


Tue Apr 23 2019 7:51 pm EST

Phuck you you piece of ugly shit Chara.

RF4l


Tue Apr 23 2019 7:48 pm EST

what happened to Tavares at end of period? He was face down on the ice and they didn't show how....

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 7:10 pm EST

Hospo my memory is not that good. I assume you’re being sarcastic about hanky. If not, not my problem... ... boston up 2-0 on taveras Toronto. Guess he might have picked the wrong team to sign with....

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 6:39 pm EST

STEVIE - That's a sham..The King only cares about himself and his teammates hate him and his prima-donna throw them under the bus ways.and KING CLANCY??? remember the interviews The Big Whistle Bill Chadwick used to have with that guy on Saturday nights on WOR??

Hospo


Tue Apr 23 2019 6:37 pm EST

TROUBA is 1 month older than Brady Skjei..... Trouba put up 50 points this season, Skjei 25... Trouba is in the last year of a $5.5 million Dollar Contract and is a RFA, Skjei recently signed a 6 or 7 year deal at $5.25mill..... Trouba (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9544) Skjei (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9518)

mf


Tue Apr 23 2019 6:05 pm EST

The King ....”Oliver Ekman-Larsson of the Arizona Coyotes, Henrik Lundqvist of the New York Rangers and Jason Zucker of the Minnesota Wild were named finalists for the King Clancy Memorial Trophy, awarded "to the player who best exemplifies leadership qualities on and off the ice and has made a noteworthy humanitarian contribution in his community."

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 5:32 pm EST

Hospo I’m not a big fan of watching other teams , especially in round 1. But tonight are 2 game 7’s , so maybe. I’m rooting for viva Las Vegas since there is no rivalry yet with the nyr . All the other teams I hope to pick who will lose in the 1 st round and then hope the winners lose in the 2 Nd round. The strangest time was 79 when I had to say goodbye to the fishstinks after watching them on channel 9 when the nyr weren’t on . So I hope the Vegas odds makers are wrong and the lose in the 2 Nd round. Whoever wins Toronto boston, I will hope they lose in the next round.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 5:20 pm EST

Mfred unfortunately the Nyr have had more than their share of mercenaries and retirement contact players. But the gm has no one to blame on Smith and shatenshit, those were his signings along with giving veenyo a 2 year extension. He got lucky and the cryers saved him a year of whistle to whistle cheek turner .

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 5:13 pm EST

STEVIE - Gotta love that series..the teams hate each other and the coaches hate each other....MFRED - Hah, I was thinking the same thing about Trouba ..Otoh, while he can appear very shatt-like at times and we don't even need one, he can also be very good at times..I'll worry about him if we get him

Hospo


Tue Apr 23 2019 4:26 pm EST

On Monday Sharks coach Peter DeBoer was critical of his counterpart, Gerard Gallant, for “chirping” at Sharks players during the series, saying: “I don’t know if it works in our favor. I mean, there’s still chatter. Their coach is chattering. He’s probably doing the most chattering. He’s talking to our players constantly during the game, which I haven’t seen before.” DeBoer went on to call the chatter, “ridiculous.” On Tuesday, just hours before the decisive Game 7 (10 p.m. ET; NBCSN; Live Stream), Gallant was asked about DeBoer’s comments and responded not only in great detail about the incidents, but by also calling DeBoer a clown. “I really don’t want to talk about that, but I think I’m going to have to a little bit,” said Gallant. “For that clown to say that in the paper yesterday, it’s not right.”

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 23 2019 3:35 pm EST

Trouba sounds like the Second coming of Shattenkirk. I’m tired of the „Marquee“ Free Agent signings. We always have to overpay and more often than not they suck once they get here.

Melvillefred


Tue Apr 23 2019 3:16 pm EST

I also agree that it makes no sense for the Rangers to buy out any of the big contracts that are hanging around the organization like a ball and chain. If they can trade those guys just to get out of the contract that would be an acceptable way to get rid of them. But that isn't likely at this point. This organization needs to be much more prudent with contracts moving forward. Hopefully they see how badly they regret ALL of them right now and that helps them to walk away from other bad deals.

Vic


Tue Apr 23 2019 3:13 pm EST

TD: I can give you two things MYERS will do better then TROUBA......#1) MYERS wouldn't cost you assets to acquire him....and #2) MYERS will eat up less against the Cap. TROUBA isn't that much better then MYERS that he would justify all that it would cost to get him and then his Cap hit. Plus, from the little I've seen of both lately MYERS just looks more like the nastier, dirtier player. And yes, I want that.

Vic


Tue Apr 23 2019 3:07 pm EST

Here is something to think about......When I was growing up....my Dad would always tell me that the bookmakers in Vegas are some of the smartest people in the country...and its very important to follow the lines......So with that being said, as of today, right now....Vegas oddsmakers have the NY Iceholes as the odds on favorite to win the 2019 Stanley Cup final @ a price of +550......<Gulp>

tradestar28


Tue Apr 23 2019 2:48 pm EST

The NYR's are not buying out any of their Three Amigos on D. It makes zero sense at this stage of the game. Why pay them for four years when all of their deals expire in two short seasons. You can try to deal SMITH and SHATTENKIRK by offering to eat 50% of their deals. Staal you can just put on the bench, he can be our 7th D until he accepts a trade.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 2:47 pm EST

TD, Smith is no longer an NHL d-man. So let’s not count as such. He might play He mighty that role once in a blue moon, due to injury on the blueline, but he is a 13th forward on the depth chart. Shitty is un-tradable. In reality, Staal was the best d-man all year long. I think Pionk is an odd man out. Can’t see him in the lineup next fall. You know how I feel about Skejie..

andrei


Tue Apr 23 2019 2:30 pm EST

Ranger47 - I wish I could answer that for you! I thought for sure that either sMITH or STAAL would be gone by now...but no...and frankly, I don’t think they have the stomach to deal SHATTENKIRK...but I also don’t think they have the stomach to buy out STAAL or SMITH...I can’t see going into next season with the same D. But I also don’t see how they’ll change things unless they pay up the cost to get someone to take those contracts or pay the buyout price...and those are things the Rangers really haven’t done much of under Gorton.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 2:26 pm EST

E - I think you’re misunderstanding. When the Jets’ D was healthy, TROUBA was behind BYFUGLIEN on the depth chart. He doesn’t/didn’t get nearly as much PP time, and that’s where you really want him. Up until this year, he was also playing behind MYERS for some inexplicable reason...where he flourishes is with top line minutes. That is what he wanted when he was a holdout...a bigger role on the team. They gave him more money and ‘KIND OF’ a larger role...rather it was more like injuries forced them into that...needless to say, it was sort of a ‘which comes first’ situation...Trouba said give me first pair ice and pay me like a first pair defensemen...Peg said show us you can play that game...Trouba said OK, gimme the ice...and so on and so forth...he’s not a KARLSSON-type player, where he’s goin to takeover the game from the back end...and really where he is most dangerous is on the point with the man advantage...because he can absolutely RIP the puck. Rangers don’t have anyone who can shoot like he does. Maybe ZIBANEJAD...but he’s not a defenseman...regardless, that’s what is most noticeable about him...and if you’re not watching him rip those shots, than I can understand why you’re underwhelmed....man...when he was the US squad at the WJCs...he was flat-out dynamic. But again...I don’t see him in the cards. What Peg is going to want for him I strongly doubt the Rangers will give...and if you trade for him, you simply must divest one of your other large contracts, which will come at a cost as well.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 2:06 pm EST

I don't see the Rangers trading for Trouba. First the cost Winnipeg will demand and second the contract Trouba will demand. He's given the Jets grief in both contract negotiations and on this deal he'll be looking for huge dollars and will surely end up signing for a figure in the neighbourhood of $8,000,000/per.

rf4L


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:55 pm EST

TD: I’m just gonna disagree. I realize that he had 50 points. I’m primarily going off of eye test on this and will need to see how he reflects statistically. When I saw him play I don’t think 5-5 I ever saw him paired with Buf. In fact, one game I saw he was playing with I think Kulikov and thinking to myself damn... whether he was dropped or Kulikov was elevated I can’t speak to. I don’t remember all the details but I do have a friend of mine who is a huge WPG and he was luke warm on the guy. Perhaps that tainted my view as well. So, I’ll just agree to disagree unless someone has something more then stats and reputation. And BTW, I don’t hate the player at all. I hate the contract and it’s long term ramifications. I suppose on max contracts I want an offensive tour de force type guy who can give you 70-80 points. Not a guy who will give you 50 and be solid all the way around. He’s a step down but we had that with MacTruck. And for all his utility he didn’t give you that elite offense. Just a microcosm of the New York Rangers were. Really good in all facets yet missing that game breaking talent. And no, after watching EK losing his defensive game that made him so complete I wouldn’t want that either. He’s the icing, not the cake.

E


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:39 pm EST

td: You make excellent points. But do you think, then, that we're stuck with Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk until their contracts end?

Ranger47


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:33 pm EST

That said, there are a slew of other questions with TROUBA becoming a Ranger that have little to do with how he plays the game...I doubt Peg takes KREIDER straight up for him, and TBH, I’m not really sure what they’d want. But before we get to that point, we also have SHATTENKIRK, PIONK and DeANGELO on the right, with a very real prospect of landing FOX...so if we’re gonna be in on TROUBA, one of those guys is going the other way. And then I would figure they’d also want a young center...so pick one of ANDERSSON, HOWDEN or CHYTIL...package a first rounder and maybe a second. That’s what a deal for Trouba is gonna look like...and then you’re left with what to do with Shatty...because evenif Fox isn’t in the picture, you can’t have that much cap wrapped in your D...especially not when you have STAAL and SMITH eating space on the left side...so I’m a big fan of landing Trouba...but at this juncture, I think it’d be expensive and would put us in a jam with the blue line that we don’t want to be in for another year.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:11 pm EST

E - didn’t reach his offensive potential?!? He scored 50 points last year...half of which came playing second fiddle to BYFUGLIEN. The main barrier between TROUBA and being a first pairing D man is gigantic. He’s a beast of a man who is going nowhere anytime soon.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:07 pm EST

Vic - there is nothing Tyler MYERS does better than TROUBA. He’s bigger. That’s about it. What makes the latter such a wonderful addition is his shot from the point. You get him on the ice with a net front presence guy like KREIDER and you’ll watch the goals pile up...MYERS is and always has been an enigma. Some seasons he’s on, others he’s not. I wouldn’t cry if we threw a contract at him...but in terms of comparison, getting him over TROUBA would be like signing BOZAK over TAVARES.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:05 pm EST

For me, I like Trouba. But I don’t think he has become the guy some expected him to be. I know he had second pairing minutes for a whole lotta time this season but I have seen some real blown plays by him somewhat routinely. To be fair the Jets do like to puck pursue as opposed to getting in the lanes. Building triangles everywhere. I’m just not sure that Trouba is a good bang for the buck player. Kinda reminds me of Dion Phaneuf. A good banging defenseman who ultimately never reached his offensive potential and had a anchor of a contract. I think Winnipeg might have it right by getting good early career upside and cut bait shortly into the big payday. I just think about chants of: shoot the puck Jacob.

E


Tue Apr 23 2019 12:55 pm EST

TWO WEEKS?!? Holy F-bomb, I’ve been talking about trading for TROUBA for two goddamn YEARS now. These johnny-come-latelys —that boob from the Post and the cadre of boobs from Bullshit Banter —can take a number.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 12:48 pm EST

Why trade assets for TROUBA when you can sign MYERS as a UFA???? If you want a big, overpaid Right D then why not just sign MYERS?

Vic


Tue Apr 23 2019 12:25 pm EST

Ranger47.... Trading Kreider for Trouba and getting Trouba without trading Kreider has been talked about/speculated about for at least the last 2 weeks on Twitter. That's how you know it wont happen :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:55 am EST

Interesting to see in the Blueshirt Banter post the thing I mentioned yesterday - trading Kreider for a top 4 RHS D (in this case Trouba, who was the first D I thought might work in a trade)....

Ranger47


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:30 am EST

RF4L - I don’t dislike OV. In fact, I like him a hell of a lot better than I do a preening whining cheapshot artist like CROSBY...but here’s where I’ll give Crosby a little credit: he knows how and when to dial it back. OV’s Achilles heel has always been his inability and/or unwillingness to reel it in. For so many years, he was almost a handicap in late minutes because he would always try to take the team on his shoulders...but when you have guys like BACKSTROM, CARLSON, KUZNETSOV and the like, it’s better to use your players...last night was classic OV. In fact, the play right before he got thrown out was an excellent example of OV at his worst...he was on the ice for something like two minutes straight...the commentators were even saying how gassed he looked...then he picks up the puck in the defensive zone...doesn’t even GLANCE around to see who is with him...and then it’s head down from goal line to goal line. It was a pretty individual effort...but it was an easy save for MZAREK...and another 25 seconds off the clock...stupid, stupid, stupid. Then he took an absolutely ridiculous penalty and got thrown out. Tell you what: I’d be bagging on him bigtime if he was a Ranger. Passion is one thing. Sabotaging your team because you can’t get a grip on your emotions is entirely different.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:22 am EST

The Rangers Need Trouba, But At What Cost? .... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/4/23/18512030/the-new-york-rangers-need-jacob-trouba-but-at-what-cost-winnipeg-jets

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:12 am EST

NYStranger: Yep! OV did act like an ass but the NHL is one ass-like league with their endless incompetent officiating. I am astounded that players don't go off more frequently given the wishy-washy instant reply rules and results. I've been watching the Leaf/Bruin series and you should see what Buttface Chara has been getting away with - he should be spending 1/2 the game in the penalty box with his vicious goon tactics. The officiating in this league is beyond embarrassing - it's downright shameful. Once the Leafs are bounced I won't be watching much more hockey until next fall - it's simply too frustrating an endeavor.

rf4L


Tue Apr 23 2019 11:06 am EST

TD: Yes I concur OV went overboard yesterday but the man's passion is irrefutable and one of the big reasons he's still a dominant player in the league and more importantly, that sort of passion has been sorely lacking on the Rangers for years. I'd rather my captain carry on like that occasionally vs what we saw from the likes of McD and Chris Dreary, which is the complete opposite of that. Sour faces and dour expressions and zero animation when the Rangers are being unfairly treated, be it by the opposition or the officials. Rip OV all you want but I am certain if a Ranger captain carried on like due to a call like that (OV tying up late a game 6 where a Cap win would end the series), everyone on here (including yourself) would have backed him completely and ripped the officials and the league for stealing a yet another legitimate goal from the Rangers.

rf4L


Tue Apr 23 2019 10:48 am EST

Td Grimaldi is 5’6”. enough said. There are only a handful of MSL types even in this modern NHL.

NYStranger


Tue Apr 23 2019 10:33 am EST

RF4L, you know the old adage, If you are not cheating a little you are not playing hard enough, or something similar. I have no problem with MY players doing that! ;-). I do think OV looked like an ass after he wouldn't quite the mouthing off. And TD is right it will not help him one or his team bit in the next game. On the other hand I do think the call was questionable.. I don't believe the goalie had control, but the replays they show the public did not have a clear angle. And maybe they were arguing that OV pushed both the puck and the goalie over the line. But this intent to blow the whistle BS NEEDS to be taken out of the game. Too easy to change a game and spawn conspiracies.

NYStranger


Tue Apr 23 2019 10:14 am EST

The NYR Bloggers are talking about the team moving up in the draft to take Cole Caufield ...ALSO... Darren Dreger says the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Vegas Golden Knights and the Chicago Blackhawks are the frontrunners for 24 year old KHL forward Ilya Mikheyev.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 10:02 am EST

GRIMALDI is a guy who I could never figure out why he couldn’t latch on to an NHL team. The guys had incredible talent. Maybe not to the degree that others his size did...even in Nashville he’s basically playin third line minutes...he’s a player who I could see really taking off if he got on a line with some top line players. He was a beast in college and the WJCs.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:42 am EST

RF4L - there is a HUGE difference between being passionate about a call and openly mocking the refs. They had an immense amount of restraint with OV, because his jaw was going a mile a minute after that waved goal. That could have e and probably should have bought him a penalty. It was when he was outwardly mocking him that they threw him out. And rightfully so. Can’t be the captain of a team and do that shit. It’s stupid on sooooooo many levels. First and foremost, you’re throwing in the towel with time on the board. If I’m your coach, I’m going to tear you a new shit chute after that. Gonna also glue you to the bench for a period, because that’s where players who can’t control themselves belong...secondly OV just gave the refs all the ammunition they need to feed their implicit bias. You think he’s gonna get calls in his favor in Game 7? Hell no. Stupid, stupid, STUPID. Shitcan your mouth and let your actions dictate. But OV, as usual, can’t. I swear that guy has almost zero self-control. And it’s why the Caps, who have had dominant teams for more than a decade, only have one cup.

tdchi


Tue Apr 23 2019 9:33 am EST

TRADE... It's so hard to predict who will be there at 18, depends on the mock draft you look at (also, which prospects will drop, etc.). We should not count our chickens before they hatch either. We still need Vegas to win today and that will be tough enough to begin with. I would love to see Raphaël Lavoie be available at that pick or if not, maybe a Ryan Suzuki.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:36 am EST

Ranger47 - me too I want them facing the Caps and hopefully out in 4 or 5

DREW


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:34 am EST

Ranger47.... Beating a struggling Pens team is a long way away from winning a cup. Pittsburhg struggled so much, they weren't sure if they should have been buyers or sellers at the Trade Deadline.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:21 am EST

Sounds like it is in our best interests to root for Vegas, Carolina, CBJ and Dallas. Do we have a "horse in the race" in the Bruins-Leafs result? What's the worst matchup for the Isles in the next round?

Ranger47


Tue Apr 23 2019 8:00 am EST

I just have this terrible feeling that the stars are aligning for the Isles to win a Cup without having to face a better team...Yeeech!

Ranger47


Tue Apr 23 2019 1:40 am EST

TRADE: Yep, 18th is the best the pick can get for us.

Vic


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:51 pm EST

Wow Rhet!.....its doable.......meanwhile....who do u like @ 18 there?

tradestar28


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:29 pm EST

TRADE... We are guaranteed the 20th pick if Vegas beats the Sharks.... We get the 18th pick if Carolina and CBJ meet in ECF..... 19th Pick if one of them make ECF.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:14 pm EST

Can u imagine this Elite 8 ---> Canes, Leafs, BJ's, Iceholes...... Dallas, Vegas, Avalanche and Blues.....and the fact that one of these teams will win the Cup......jeesh

tradestar28


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:11 pm EST

Just got back from the game Caps @ Canes....I sat on the glass right on blue line.....and I screamed at OV that he was a big baby and he rolled his eyes at me....

tradestar28


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:07 pm EST

Thanks Dallas! Watching in The Netherlands, got a message from the Rangers about the pick being no lower than 21 about one minute before the goal actually played on the iPad. Brings back a terrible memory......I was in Germany up all night when the Rangers lost the Game 5 final to LA. Same thing.....got a bunch of texts and had to wait to see the goal.

Bob


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:05 pm EST

So Rhet.....if the ceiling is 21st on the Jets pick.....whats the floor on that bad boy?

tradestar28


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:00 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... With the Dallas win tonight the #NYR pick from Winnipeg can be no worse than 21st in this year’s Draft.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:58 pm EST

GRIMALDI make ZUCCARELLO look tall.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:57 pm EST

Nashville is done...let’s go Dallas and Zucc!

NCRanger


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:56 pm EST

Dallas wins in OT 2-1. One more series and we get their 1st round pick.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:55 pm EST

Dallas wins it!

RF73


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:55 pm EST

Stars move on! One more round Zucc!

DCIGolfer


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:55 pm EST

YEAAAAAHHHHHHHH BABBBYYYYY.....BYE BYE PREDS!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:21 pm EST

ANDREI.... The current Stanley Cup champion always picks last, in 31st place, and the Stanley Cup runner-up picks 30th. The other two conference finalists pick 29th and 28th.... Regular-season division winners hold the other lowest positions. The remaining teams draft in order of the fewest points scored to most points from the previous regular season.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:18 pm EST

MF - Nah..Fogel and..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9CScOFfCM4.....As for who to root for, I couldnt care less about the draft picks, we'll get some good ones and we'll get what we get, but would love to see the Canes take the Caps out in DC...Gotta forecheck their asses off..only chance..slime..but a chance

Hospo


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:27 pm EST

Rhet, I’m not sure that with caps loosing series, it would make jets pick lower. I think Canes would need to move to the Conference finals in order for the pick shuffle to take place. Same with Dallas. Teams playing in conference finals move down in draft. Colorado, Blues, Vegas, Dallas and Carolina all finished lower. Dallas wins, then Jets pick moves lower then 22. Vegas wins game 7, pick moves down one more spot. Carolina advances past Craps and beats Iceholes, along with Columbus beating Bruins/Lafs, and pick moves two more spots...

andrei


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:22 pm EST

The OV criticism over his reaction to the no-goal call befuddles me. The passion he displays is precisely what so many of us on here pine for with the oftentimes passionless Rangers, especially from their leaders. Can anyone imagine Kreider responding in such a fashion? Mmmm...I thought not. Now can anyone recall Kreider's long stretches of invisible play? Mmmm...I thought so. I am not absolving OV of dirty play - he is a dirty player. So was Mark Messier who is revered by Ranger fans, including many on post on here.

rF4l


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:10 pm EST

Well then, "Lets Go Canes!" & "Lets Go Stars!"

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:58 pm EST

STARS tie up the game 1-1 in the 2nd Period.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:57 pm EST

By "get" I of course mean knock off. The BJ's too while they're at it.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:55 pm EST

DREW.... If the CAPS lose, it makes our pick from Winnipeg better. Same for the STARS winning. Someone else will get the NYI's in the next round.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:50 pm EST

Whoever wins better beat Isles

rngrsans


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:49 pm EST

Rhet - how does a Canes win help? I’m sure I’m missing something?

DREW


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:49 pm EST

Ovi is quite the sarcastic dude

rngrsans


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:48 pm EST

Man OV is a fucking clown. What an idiot.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:45 pm EST

Craps shit the bed, Canes force a game 7. Would love it if they eliminated Washington and their smarmy puke of a goalie.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:44 pm EST

Canes up 5-2. F-K the CAPS.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:41 pm EST

GO CANES GO, up 4-2. A Canes win helps the NYR's.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:39 pm EST

mf - iPhone auto-fuckup. Incredible how it seems to get worse the longer I have this phone.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:39 pm EST

Chicka Chicka What??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLp0AsKXMEs

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:38 pm EST

Justin WILLIAMS is a playoff beast. What a career that guy has had.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:36 pm EST

Caps got hosed - wanted them to win tonight so they are fresher for Islanders. Caps get screwed then Canes score - things breaking right for Islanders.

DREW


Mon Apr 22 2019 6:36 pm EST

Just turned on thre Cap-Cane game..FOGGEL! Chicka chicka Yea Yea,,..And T0m WIlson is one damn good player..but he still might do somethung stupid!..and the Cane coach.."whistle to wistle"..AV musy be smiling

Hospo


Mon Apr 22 2019 5:57 pm EST

PAL: I live in Laguna Beach in Orange County but we also have an office in Mountain View. So I’m in the Bay Area fairly regularly.

E


Mon Apr 22 2019 5:15 pm EST

I'm rooting for Carolina tonight. Hopefully they can get to game 7. It is unlikely they can win this series but if they can get it to game 7 anything can happen. And of course I am rooting for Dallas to close the series out tonight and send Nashville to the golf course. It has been fun listening to the Ticket in Dallas since MZA got there. I've enjoyed listing to them discover what they have in him. He made a great first impression but got hurt in his first game. They LOVE him already. Having him has given them a real second like with HINTZ and DICKINSON. It has allowed them to put SEGUIN, BENN and RADULOV out together. And those 3 have absolutely dominated Nashville. They are making Nashville's D look like the Rangers D of the last few years. I'm expecting the MZA line to have a big night tonight because Nashville is going to have to do everything they can to try to stop the SEGUIN line. That should leave the 2nd line with some favorable matchups. Should be fun. Go Stars! and Go "Bunch of Jerks"!

Vic


Mon Apr 22 2019 5:10 pm EST

E, are you in the San Jose area?

Pal17


Mon Apr 22 2019 4:49 pm EST

Maybe we should ask PANARIN if he wants to live underwater.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 4:41 pm EST

PAL: that’s my old stomping grounds before I left for points west. I was there last week. I didn’t know that there was a Russian population blown up there. Not too many restaurants that I saw. Except for a gas station in Old Bridge on Route 9

E


Mon Apr 22 2019 4:27 pm EST

Stevie, I lived in South Florida for 3 years and Sunny Isles Beach & Aventura / North Miami Beach has a very large Russian population. Similar to Marlboro and Manalapan NJ but it’s not like Brighton. Good ole Brighton with the famous White House!

Pal17


Mon Apr 22 2019 4:19 pm EST

Rhet there’s no Brighton beach in Florida as far as I know.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 22 2019 3:55 pm EST

Let's see, if you're PANARIN, do you want to play with.... Barkov, Huberdeau, Hoffman, Dadonov and Yandle.... OR.... Zibanejad, Kreider, Kakko, Kravstov and Georgiev/Shesterkin??? ...Lot's of Russians on the NYR's.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 3:54 pm EST

I don’t think they could sell out sunrise Florida in a cup final except with people coming to see the other team.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 22 2019 3:30 pm EST

A top 4 RHS D (and a shrubbery) would be nice.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 22 2019 3:29 pm EST

Instead of potentially trading Kreider for picks at the draft, isn't there a team we could trade with that needs a forward like K and has the equivalent value of K on their D who could come back to us?

Ranger47


Mon Apr 22 2019 3:03 pm EST

E: was hoping that Anaheim would make one more surge before blowing this up.... An injury to Perry or Getzlaf and I can see them competing for bottom 3 in the league next year

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 2:56 pm EST

FL or NY for Panarin? One other consideration is probably how much he wants to be recognized as "THE MAN". He'll shine in FL or NY but will be viewed more as the reason NY would succeed or fail as opposed to FL where he would be a star in a bit more complementary role to others there. Who knows what drives his ego?...

Ranger47


Mon Apr 22 2019 2:45 pm EST

MF: Anaheim has their hands on the detonator and are looking at a rebuild. They want their picks and they want assets full stop. They are old, slow, lacking game breaking talent, and are suffering lack of the depth.

E


Mon Apr 22 2019 2:39 pm EST

MF, teams don’t just trade first round picks. Under no scenario do I see Ducks trading their 1st rounder for collection of spare parts that we call our defense or our forwards. It’s not a PS4 game. 1st rounders only get traded by contenders and in 99%, at the trade deadline. If you want Anaheim 1st, prepare to offer Ziba. Most luckily, Anaheim is about to start a rebuild/retooling phase anyway, so their 1st wont be available in any trade...

andrei


Mon Apr 22 2019 1:47 pm EST

We have a local kid from Bedford NY expected to go top 10-Trevor Zegras. He's a good one-overshadowed a bit by Jack Hughes(who isn't?_ but I think he was third in scoring on the US squad-my buddy coached him at mid-fairfield-supposed to be a good kid, very humble.

puckyou


Mon Apr 22 2019 1:31 pm EST

TD: you posting from a different device today?

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 1:17 pm EST

Vic - when I read your post, my first thought was BAH! It will never happen...but as I look at it now, I think there’s a VERY real chance that three out of four of those teams heads to the Conference Finals. The only one where I’m beyond skeptical is the Canes. But for the other four? At least twin are likely(Columbus and Colorado). And the third won’t make a bit of difference as long as Nashville is sent packing...so yeah, I’m with you. Think the Janice’s are pretty good we end up in the teens.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 1:11 pm EST

TD: this is quite a wish-list: KAKKO, FOX, TURCOTTE and LAVOIE..... May the Force be with you!

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:25 pm EST

TD: No doubt that the Winnipeg pick dropping to 18th overall would take some unlikely things to happen. But if I told you two weeks ago that Tampa, Calgary and Winnipeg were going to get knocked out in the first round (including Tampa getting swept).....while Nashville and San Jose may also be out in the first round, you would have said I was nuts. But here we are. Actually when San Jose went down 3 games to 1 I thought they were pretty much done there already. This certainly has been "one of those years" so far. And it does show you how much parity has infected this league. Right now I think anything can happen. We shall see.....

Vic


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:23 pm EST

The only way you give up a 2nd for Fox is if he's already agreed to sign with the Rangers.

rF4l


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:21 pm EST

MF - it proably would..but he's done jack shit for the CBJ..so screw Buttman and have some balls if you ever want to win a cup again..Or not..but JD is a wrong choice

Hospo


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:20 pm EST

Jeff Marek @JeffMarek.... In 31 Thoughts this week Friedman said the Panthers could be a candidate for signing both Panarin and Bobrovsky.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:18 pm EST

Per Mike Murphy: Is Florida a more attractive option to Panarin than New York? ....https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/4/22/18485720/is-florida-more-attractive-option-to-panarin-than-new-york-rangers-quenneville-rumors-free-agent

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:59 am EST

Andrei: the Dollars can usually be worked out, they could use a RHD. They need a forward? NAMESTNIKOV has experience playing top line and top six minutes..... I really would like us to consider targeting ANAHEIM'S first round pick for next year...

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:56 am EST

andrei - re: LUCIC - basically fans and pundits alike were absolutely aghast at what the Oilers paid out to him. There were A LOT of signs he was slowing down and wouldnt be with that contract. In fact, I seem to remember the tenor here was one of shear bemusement to the shitty deal the Oil had given out...KREIDER, OTOH, is on the upswing...28 goals on a shitty teammwkrh a popgun offense. There’s a big difference there.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:52 am EST

TD: didn't mean to imply that, however, "IF" we have to trade up to get into the top 10 or top 15 in this years 1st round by adding one of them to one of our 1st round picks, that could do the trick..... AON: Was VESEY in a similar situation as FOX? IF YES, maybe Vesey can help promote Fox to sign here. That could save his Ranger ass and we can then look to trade NAMESTNIKOV....

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:48 am EST

MF, we have being over this. There is not a single team interested in Shitty. Especially, Anaheim, which has no need for a defensemen and no cap room. Their need is upfront, but Kesler’s and Getzlaf’s salaries are like two anchors which preventing any major move. Unless you want to add a Jets 1st, Shitty is non tradable commodity... Either you add a high pick, or you need to take equally bad contract back..

andrei


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:48 am EST

mf - Mark my words: no team is going to move a 2019 first rounder for BESEY or NAMESTNIKOV. Maybe for both, but then that’s a pretty shitty deal for the Rangers.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:45 am EST

Hiring a guy like JD would get would get the Commissioner's Blessing... jmon

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:45 am EST

Stevielegs - my only concern with FOX is that the reports of him wanting to come to New York are overblown and possibly downright false...it’d absolutely suck to lose a second rounder only to find out that Fox indeed wants to graduate and that after he does, he plans to test the free agent market. But if the thought is that he’s ready toninkmwoth the Rangers now, then you’re absolutely right. He’s worth a second rounder at the very least.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:44 am EST

Hospo: I think that Dolan may have learned his lesson that you fall in line behind Butthead or you pay the price... Doubt very much that Mini-Me appreciated the offer extended to Sakic, and didn't Bungholio fine Dolan and Torts for mouthing off? ... Napolean wants his GM Soldiers to fall in line and protect and defend the NHL image he promotes... Good behavior gets rewarded...

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:43 am EST

Ranger47 - you have to go with what is know, IMO, and KREIDER is a known comodity. If he isn’t asking for the sun and the moon for a contract, then he is overwhelmingly the safer bet. You’re rolling the dice on a UFA...and TBH, anecdotally speaking, I think the rate at which UFA contracts come back to haunt us is MUCH higher than that of us retaining our own players...for every bad contract(SMITH and STAAL) you end up with SHATTENKIRK, RICHARDS, GOMEZ, REDDEN nd DRURY.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:33 am EST

Ranger47 - I dont read any Blog yammerings...but.....Smith kinda got blackballed for the whole Sakic offer sheet, but that should be old news by now IF the Rangers would want to consider him..........Plus, Gordo would still be the GM doing most of the interacting with other GMs.......I would love to see SMITH, the only architect who ever won anything in Rangerland in 80 years, brought back in but don't see it having a snow ball's chance in Hades of it happening..Either event the Prez could be as important as who they draft if they are ever to win (not rebuild) again and JD (or Mess) would be a choice they regret and I would take SMith over him anyday..

Hospo


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:27 am EST

TD: You're Hired! What the heck is going on down there? Get some of the Perennial AHL'ers out of there, cut bait on a few of the kids that will not play with the Big-Boy Rangers while they still have value, and sign one or two "Role Model Guys" who for whatever reason are between the AHL/NHL at this point in their careers... That place should be an intense boot-camp of coaching & training...

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:26 am EST

Rhet0ric - LOL me neither! Man, I was having an argument with some rube on Twitter who basically claimed that all these other Edmonton too lpocks flourished...he listed DRAISATL, RNH, HALL and EBERLE...I was like yeah, those are guys that also didn’t get jerked around from league to league every other month...totally agree too in trading for him...I wouldn’t give up a first rounder for him, but would certainly offer a second rounder...his hip injury is kind of concerning...but think he could end up being a real steal for some team...if I’m Carolina, I’m asking about PULJUJARVI every day and not taking no for an answer. With the Rangers, I’d offer a second rounder and see what arises from that...maybe see if they’d take VESEY for him straight up. NAMESTNIKOV would be another I’d consider moving for him...only problem is, I think Puljujarvi needs top six minutes...and I’m not sure that happens on a Ranger team with KRAVTSOV and KAKKO in the lineup.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:19 am EST

RF4L - the problems with the Pack are so much larger than the talent pipeline. Sure, that’s a contributing factor. But they are the very epitome of the culture of losing...where a team is just so used to sucking that it’s almost consciously accepted. If I were hired as the Pack GM, I would basically kick open the door and trade/release everyone, with very few exceptions.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:17 am EST

Draftsite: has us choosing MORITZ SEIDER (Big RHS D'man)with the #22 pick https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/moritz-seider/31871/

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:16 am EST

R47 the possibilities and being able to predict and plan is not an easy task. Any gm will make and not make some questionable moves, and the results from them are the consequences. So it’s hard to predict even what he will do and then what happens with kid k. The easy way is to trade him asap, but that might not be the best way. That’s why fishpie is getting paid the big bucks , and the wall is free to fantasy armchair gm . That’s why lb supposedly comes here, some think he’s not as smart as a wallster . And he gets paid. The wheels on this bus don’t always go round and round.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:15 am EST

RF4L - stranger things have happened, but I don’t see the Stars making that leap to resign ZUCC...but more importantly, I don’t see Zucc settling in with Dallas. I’m not sure where he’ll go, but I would guess he stays in the northeast...and TBH, I really hope the Rangers give him another shot. Very unlikely with KAKKO and KRAVTSOV on the way...sadly, I could see him landing in Boston. He’d be a great fit there.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:08 am EST

RF4L - actually, ANDERSSON played in a better league than KAKKO...he played in the SHL as a 17-year-old. Liiga is a good league, but is a baby step behind the SHL, which has a lot of former NHLers in it. It doesn’t really matter though. I love ANDERSSON as y’all can plainly see...but he doesn’t have nearly the tools that KAKKO is working with.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:06 am EST

Any of you folks think ANAHEIM has an interest in SHATTENKIRK? I'd like to move him and keep KREIDER....

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:05 am EST

TD, I was not compering Kreider vs Lucic. My point was that what looks good and makes sense today, will be sure come back and bite few years down the road. UFA signing of the older players, in 90% of time, will be regretted later and just like Lucic contract, will negatively impact the payroll at the time your team is going for the cup.. Kreider is a perennial 50 point player today, while he is in his prime. So what he will become when he is 35/36? 20 points at $8 mil?

andrei


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:01 am EST

As I recall Neil Smith had a terrible relationship with other GMs whereas JD seems to have no/far less baggage in that area. So, I think if JD is available (now that Yzerman is in Detroit) he's the no-brainer choice.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 22 2019 11:00 am EST

evets1980 - interesting thought...frankly, I don’t package KREIDER with the Peg pick...totally counter-productive...now if Buffalo or Edmonton are willing to part with that pick for JUST Kreider? TBH, I might take that. It would depend on who is on the board. But if TURCOTTE or COZENS is there, I think I’d do that deal...KREIDER for TROUBA is another I’d do...but I tell you what: my quandary lies with whether the Rangers see FOX in their future. If no, then it’s time to see what Trouba is going to cost. He is a legit top pairing defenseman who would slide SHATTENKIRK down to second pairing and make either PIONK or DeANGELO expendable...but I think the better path is probably to sign Fox and if either of those players are on the board, make that offer. I would be willing to bet both of those teams would do it. The Rangers leaving the drafybwith KAKKO, FOX, TURCOTTE and LAVOIE would be absolutely huge. This team would be set up to contend for the next decade.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:58 am EST

R47: and.... after the 2020/2021 season, the Expansion Draft is scheduled soooo might as well keep an eye on that too when dolling out NMC's & NTC's

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:57 am EST

Tdchi if Fox is that good, then he’s probably better than any second round pick the Nyr might get. So if that’s what they are asking, I wouldn’t be holding out Or bargaining, or waiting until next year. It’s called making a fair trade.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:56 am EST

Been thinking that we should be really consider moving VESEY and or NAMESTNIKOV to help us continue what we're doing; which is getting additional 1st round draft picks, trading to get better positioning in the draft, and really targeting a Team which is going to suck next year and try to get their 1st rounder... There is a deep pool of players that score 30-50 points in this league so how difficult is it going to be to replace Vesey or Namestnikov???? ............... In a deep draft like the one coming up, perhaps the jockeying around will prove to be active at the latter part of the 1st round and into the beginning of the 2nd round..... If we are picking for Player Position in the 2nd round, There are a couple of RHS Defensemen who may/should be available when we pick: https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/kaedan-korczak/31882/ ...... https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/lassi-thomson/32201/ ...... https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/martin-hugo-has/31935/

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:50 am EST

Forever Blueshirts is talking about the possibility of bringing in NEIL SMITH to be the NYR's new President. Now at first glance, this seems like a totally crazy idea... James Dolan admitting he was wrong about anything just seems crazy to me. However he and Smith did patch things up a bit this past February for the Anniversary of the Cup Win, but I still don't see it happening. The irony of the whole thing is that Smith wanted to start a rebuild in 1999 and it only took DOLAN 20 years to come around to the idea :) ...NEIL SMITH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO RETURN AS RANGERS PRESIDENT... https://foreverblueshirts.com/neil-smith-should-be-considered-to-return-as-rangers-president/

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:47 am EST

mf: Glad I'm not the GM! Tough and unclear decisions to be made. :)

Ranger47


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:39 am EST

R47: If you review the UFA calendar and roll forward the next season, the season after, and the one after that, it's easy to see that this year has a deep & talented group of UFA's to consider signing..... Nest Year has TAYLOR HALL who I doubt makes it to free agency... Naturally some new and additional names will show up & drop off..... https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents

mf


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:34 am EST

Wildcard - YES. As long as it’s Tampa’s pick, then yes. At 58th, their will be some good players...but FOX, IMO, is gonna be a top pairing defenseman. He moves from the blue line so fluidly. Can be manning the point one second and sliding through the slot the next. If somehow he was in the draft this year, he would be picked in the top 10. You trade the 58th for him, ouncan get him under contract now...frankly, I think perhaps a better trade would be a conditional second rounder. Like the 58th if he signs before the draft and a third rounder otherwise...but FOX on the Rangers would be almost as big a coup as us getting that second rounder...that’s how high I am on him.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:30 am EST

Revisiting the Kreider trade/resign question; I do not know how you factor this in, but in 2-3 years and beyond you would want to anticiapte whether the $ invested in Kreider would be better spent on some other UFA or needed to resign/extend up and coming internal talent Kakko, Kratsov, Z, goalies, you are developing internally. I don't know how you project that decision now, but IMHO as GM you DO need to factor that into your current decision on what to do.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:12 am EST

TD... Agreed on your take on KAKKO. In regard to PULJUJARVI: I would still take a flyer on him(provided he comes relatively cheap). If I had a dollar for every player the OILERS organization turned their nose up at, then I'd be one pretty wealthy individual. That team does not know how to develop young talent. Their M.O. seems to be that if the kids don't figure it out on their own, there must be something wrong with them. Don't get me started on Edmonton.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:07 am EST

Rhet: Yeah, I actually think there's a better chance of the Rangers landing the Stars' first pick next June vs this June. And 4 consecutive years with multiple first round picks certainly helps atone for 4 consecutive years with NO first round picks. Gorton should be commended IMO for what he's done in that regard - very impressive. Of course, that's only step 1 of a 3 step process: Get picks, scout efficiently and develop appropriately. All 3 are crucial and although many do understandably so argue that the latter is the most important activity, without step 1 what's to develop? We've seen the results of that with the putrid showing of the Pack for the past 3 to 4 years - for sure part of that problem is the coaching and the lack of seasoned, productive AHL vets but without a steady supply of young skill, your AHL team will not produce NHLers regardless of how many points it might pile up.

rF4l


Mon Apr 22 2019 10:02 am EST

schneidw - simple answer: NO. Only similarity is that there both Finnish. PULJUJARVI, it has been said, benefitted immensely from his linematers, AHO and LAINE. I sort of dispute that account, because I think that he was a good contributor on that line and couldn’t ever be considered a passenger...nevertheless, PULJUJARVI didn’t own Liiga like KAKKO did. And KK didn’t have a linemate like AHO...I mean, my personal feeling is that if PULJUJARVI was handled properly by the Oilers, he’d be a top-6 forward now and considered on a collision course with bust-dom....nevertheless, KAKKO is as sure of a thing as they come. He will be in the NHL next season and I think it’s safe to say he’ll be producing. I personally think he’s got better hockey sense than PULJUJARVI does...I still think Puljujarvi pulls around to be a 50-60 point winger...but Kakko will be a star.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:47 am EST

andrei - I don’t really get why you’re bringing up LUCIC in terms of KREIDER. The only thing they have in common is size. KREIDER might slow a bit, but him at 75 percent speed is still faster than more than three quarters of the NHL. I think of you want to look at how Kreider ages, the guy you shouldnlooo at is Patrick MARLEAU. Perfect example of what he’ll look like in 10 years. He’s not doing to be owning defensemen like he is today, but it’s safe to say he’ll be. 40-point player. The thing you seem to be forgetting about is Lreider’s net front presence. The guy is very adept at tipping in goals. And that’s not something that will diminish with time.

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:34 am EST

Vic - I gotta confess I never fathomed that scenario. I mean, I think it’s highly highly unlikely...but I believe you are correct. Under that scenario, Washington and Nashville would pick 25 and 24 respectively. Then Boston and the Isles would pick 23 and 22. San Jose would get 21 and Toronto 20. Pittsburgh with 19 and US with the 18!! We’ll see...I certainly see Colorado as a favorite for the conference finals. The team has gelled and they’re on a roll. Also think it’s a safe bet for Columbus to be there. Whoever emerges from the Bruins-Toronto tilt is gonna be badly marred...but I can’t see the other east team being anyone other than the Isles or Caps, which would bump is down to 19th. I don’t think a Dallas-St. Louis series would impact us at all, aside from the Stars needing to go to the conference finals to get us a 28th-31st pick...we DO need San Jose eliminated ASAP. If the Avs get eliminated, we get bumped down to 20...but if Vegas wins, then that series is essentially a wash for our position. So logicking it out, immnow thinking the Rangers stand a fairly good chance of moving up into the teens, which would be HUGE...really need Dallas to finish off Nashville tonight!

tdchi


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:25 am EST

To be fair to Fluery, Hertl has a wicked snapshot off the rush. Fluery is not the first to be burned by it. The series has been pretty epic. Good stuff. Makes me long for the Montreal Canadians series vs. the New York Rangers.

E


Mon Apr 22 2019 9:18 am EST

RF4L... Thinking about it with my head instead of my heart, there's a very strong possibility that ZUCC re-signs in DALLAS. While injured, he made it a point to get to know his teammates. It seems like he's almost become the de-facto captain there. He's been talking to the team about not getting too full of themselves in the playoffs and that the 4th win is the toughest to get in a series (when it comes to being up 3-2). Maybe by following his lead, ZUCC get's them through the 2nd round (fingers crossed).

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:59 am EST

Oops....

rF4l


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:59 am EST

I wonder what the chances are of MZA resigning with Dallas. You'd think a push into the 2nd round wouldn't hurt. The Stars will have Spezza's stupid $7,500,000/per contract coming off their cap this July and don't have any big new contracts to worry about so they can certainly afford him. My guess is he'll be seeking something like $5,500,000 for 4 years with some trade protection. Landing the Stars' first pick in 2020 would be a nice add because he would be mean multiple firsts for 4 consecutive years.

rF4l


Mon Apr 22 2019 8:59 am EST

I wonder what the chances are of MZA resigning with Dallas. You'd think a push into the 2nd round wouldn't hurt. The Stars will have Spezza's stupid $7,500,000/per contract coming off their cap this July and don't have any big new contracts to worry about so they can certainly afford him. My guess is he'll be seeking something like $5,500,000 for 4 years with some trade protection. Landing the Stars' first pick in 2020 would be a nice add because he would be mean multiple firsts for 4 consecutive years.

rF4l


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:50 am EST

Terrible goal against by Fleury. He gave up the same goal twice, off his angle both times, one each side.

Bob


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:36 am EST

SCHNEIDW - A goal here or there in the evenly played Cup fials agasint the Kings and the St. louis deal is more thean worth it..But with no cup, it's an bad decison..How those things work...

Hospo


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:34 am EST

HERTL pulling a Messier..Guaranteed the Sharks would go hime to play game 7 and he scores the OT SH winner..Truth be told the oft criticzed and slammed JONES won the game for the SHarks...Pretty amazing and Great series..Didnt think the Sharks would win in LV and now they head home 3-3... May be the two best teams left in the POs..and oen will be gone

Hospo


Mon Apr 22 2019 12:26 am EST

SATHER: Dunno... I am being Monday Morning QB but it sure does seem like NYRs overpaid for Dubinksky, Staal, Girardi, Lundqist, etc. No doubt NYRs were concerned these players would hit the open market and rightfully so, but still sure seems like they ended up paying top dollar anyways... Still think overpaying for St Louis and then letting Stralman leave via UFA were the 2 worstr decisions.... Nash trade was a bust too.... Oh well, no use looking back....

schneidw


Sun Apr 21 2019 10:11 pm EST

Refs called a slashing call against SJ late in the 2nd OT for slashing the VGK's stick out of his hand... Right call but questionable since it's late in a 2nd OT which could send SJ home for the season......SJ's HERTL scores a Short Handed Goal for the Win!

mf


Sun Apr 21 2019 10:07 pm EST

Let's try that again.... That VEGAS/SAN JOSE series is a wild one. SHARKS win in double OT to push that series to a game 7.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 10:06 pm EST

That VEGAS/SAN JOSE series is a wil won. SHARKS win in double OT to pust the series to a game 7.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:56 pm EST

andrei: Yep...yet another silly decision by Sather. For every good decision there are 3 or 4 examples of idiocy.

rF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:28 pm EST

Wild, short memory, right? For 5 seasons, Hankie was the highest paid goaltender. If not for insane Price’s contract, Hankie would still be the highest paid. Richards got the best offer from Rangers. In 2013, he was the 2nd paid player in the league, behind Webber.

andrei


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:24 pm EST

Rhet: On the hHank taking less myth - agree 100%. Sather overpaid and over NMC'd him, as he did with others. Nob for Life...

rF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:18 pm EST

schneidw: I don't think Andersson played at the same level as KK did/is. I could be wrong - perhaps ola or ilya could chime in here?

rF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:12 pm EST

NEWFIE.... Now on that, we totally agree :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:11 pm EST

Can we stop touting the myth that HANK ever took less to stay with the NYR's? He was never ever going to get a max deal, ever. No one was going to pay him as much as OVECHKIN or CROSBY. It makes for a great column for Larry Brooks but not even the Flyers would be so stupid. We completely blew up the goaltending market for him, twice. We could say that so-and-so team would break the bank for him but it can't ever be proven. Also: Hanks deal was so out of whack from the rest of the League that it took until year 5 for it to be eclipsed by another goalie(not others, just one). That my friends is a bad contract.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:05 pm EST

andrei: nice revisionist history there. Hank could have demanded more...it doesnt matter he was the highest paid for a couple years, he didnt get the max that MANY said he would get. The TSN guys talked about how great a deal the Rangers got him for. Also, NYC has much higher overall taxes than Calgary so thats a joke. McD signed in NY for less on his last deal he singed there....he is still on that deal until next season...I mean do you not even know that? How can you be in a conversation about if guys took less if you dont even know what deals they are on? McD took 4.7 mil per when he could have gotten at least a million more than that...currently he is the 63rd highest paid D...and when he singes he was like the 45th or something like that...not even a top 30 paid D...he took less than the market dictated....face it...platyers have taken less than market value to play in or stay in NY...

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 7:52 pm EST

Rhet....what I meant was that in a GM meeting he may punch someone out …..LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Apr 21 2019 7:52 pm EST

Wild, McDonald’s took less to play where? Florida, with no state tax. Hankie was a highest paid goaltender for years.. Richards signed the best offer, which was from NY. Canada has a higher tax rate, so Canadien teams need to offer more. Again, Kreider is not signing for 5 years. If it’s Rangers, he wants 8 year term. If other team, it’s a 7 year contract. Cally wanted more to play in NY. Miller wanted more to play in NY. No one will take less to play on a rebuilding team. Was talking to a few friends that know NHL inside info. Duchene and Stone turned down huge contracts. No one knows exact numbers, but rumor is that they were over $10 mil each. Considering that contracts were turned down, expectations are that UFA’s will really going to get paid this summer..

andrei


Sun Apr 21 2019 7:10 pm EST

also who said 5.5-6 per?I only remember sing 6.25-7 per for 5 years....

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 7:10 pm EST

You also dont know if Hayes or Zucc were willing to take less. they barely even negotiated with them. Zucc there was ZERO mention of an extension, Hayes they talked to a bit but it never got really intense from all reports. The Rangers decided to move on from them....there was noting out there about trying to sign them...so to assume they wouldn't have taken less is just silly. But again, you can list the players who DID take less, and one (Richards) who stated publicly he could have gotten more. We KNOW Hank woudlhave gotten more not he open market, McD could have demanded more, Shatty would have gotten more in a bidding war on the market...

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 7:05 pm EST

andrei: Hank took less than max/max that many said it would take. There is a reason he isnt the highest paid G in the NHL. Also, McD, most pundits said he would not sign for less than 6.5 per, he singed for less...thats 2 guys in the last 10 years who took less. Shatty, there are rumors that other teams would have given him more. Brad Richards actually publicly stated another team offered him more (rumors were Calgary) but he wanted to play for the Rangers. SO there are more....your segment is totally and provably incorrect. Players have and will continue to take less to play for a team like the Rangers especially if they are already a part of that team....Kreider if he wants to be a Rangers player will take less, it won't be significantly less, but he will take less. You instantly goto the max years and big time deal for him as if he will demand that and would rather go to another team for that instead of being a ranger....wht has he ever done to make you even think that? And why would it be different than the others I listed who took less than the market dictated?

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:53 pm EST

Folks, discussion is not whether Kreider is good signing for $5.5-$6 over 5. Discussion is where is it a good signing over 8 years and $7.5-$8.2. That’s the rate and term!!! So let’s stop with fantasy that player will take less. No player took less to sign with Rangers last 10 years. Not Hankie, not Stepan. Zuc was not willing to take less, nor did Hayes. 29 year old Kreider is not taking less. Price was set by Stone. At 29 year old, he will be looking for a last pay day, as he should. So ask yourself a question, is a 34 year old Kreider is worth $8 mil. How about 37 year old.. Kreider is the exact example and exact case where team is should walk away. Good, but not great. Impactful, but very inconsistent.. Top 3 on a good day, 2nd liner on most teams. With Kakko, Panerin and Kravstov coming up, need for a top 6 veteran is no longer there. Instead, Kreider should be used to get a solid young top 4 upcoming defensive stud, that could play top 2...

andrei


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:53 pm EST

And what was JD before he went into management? Personally, I am not even sure what the full job description is for a president of the New York Rangers. If Messier could do it? I don’t know. Personally, given that I’m cautiously optimistic that we have a good GM since forever. I am hoping that the New York Rangers still can put their wherewithal into scouting, player development etc... and for fux sake get an infrastructure in place in Hartford to rival the culture they’re trying to foster in the big club. Hartford is about as big a disaster.

E


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:34 pm EST

For the record, I don't want Messier to be NYR President. Yzerman at least had been a GM and VP with the LIGHTNING. Messier has held neither of those positions and also seems unwilling to pay his dues to get either of those positions. Messier may also be inclined to blow things up to fit his style. We are currently on a path and right now I don't want to upset the apple cart as we seem to be going in the right direction. I think JD would be smart enough to see that and he also appears to have the ability to schmooze Dolan and talk him out of doing something stupid (another important part of the job).

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:13 pm EST

evets1980: To be honest. I think it would need to be something that you would need to see how the draft shakes out, if a player falls or teams dont go the route most think and a kid ends up someplace when a team is willing to deal it might be the route to go. If however the kids there are not quite as good, I dont do that and if Kreider is moved I try to help the D, but it would need to be a younger D....Kreider and perhaps that first for a good very young D, so that they will be there with the rest of the kids coming along for a long time. Trouba may only be 25, but that will put him at about 30 once this team will really be trying to win year in and year out....not that it would make him old, but if you are going to move a guy like Kreider I want a kid who is 22-23 now so he will still be in his prime years when the rest of the kids are really hitting their strides.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:04 pm EST

Rhet: At the same time the dude is all fire or flood....his emotions control him to an extent...as a GM he might do things out of emotion rather than a cerebral place. As for his interest, I would take that statement as one that he would be interested....but I wonder if he is interested enough to look for a job like that....and who knows how he has changed over the years, even if he hasn't wanted to prior to now, he may now and vice versa.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:03 pm EST

QUESTION: If we are going to move Kreider this summer, would you rather 1. Move him at the draft with the Winnipeg pick for Buffalo (7th overall) or Edmonton's (8th overall) pick in the top ten OR 2. Move Kreider (+) to help improve the defense, maybe in a deal for Trouba or McAvoy?

evets1980


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:00 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger.... Messier not 'calm under pressure'??? .....You mean the same guy that guaranteed a game six victory against the Devils and then backed up that guarantee with two goals and an assist to beat those same NJD's, isn't calm under pressure? I would argue that neither Steve or Joe has ever known that kind of pressure, the kind that slays a 54 year old dragon in the Mecca of the sports world. MESSIER has ice water in his veins ....WILD.... This was from the Michael Kay Show on April 12th..... Mark Messier joins and is asked if he'd have an interest in replacing Glen Sather: "There's always interest, hockey is what I know best... that's gonna be up to Mr. Dolan & Glen and see who they feel is the best replacement... So we'll see." ....http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=26508151

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 5:49 pm EST

Wild....to be quite honest,I have never heard him say one way or the other,so it could be a mute point. Seems to be a lot of ex players interested in this type of position. I think he would make a great GM for the right team,maybe not a President.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Apr 21 2019 5:14 pm EST

Has anyone ever seen anything from Mess saying he even WANTS to be a GM? Does he want to be involved in that way or above that giving direction to an org as a President or something? I have never myself seen him say he would like to do that, and if he isnt interested than he wouldn't throw his hat int he ring anyplace.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 5:08 pm EST

Schneidw….if I had to make an educated guess, it would come down to "personality"…….both Joe and Stevie ,although being super stars are very low key and calm under pressure.....that doesn't describe Mess. JMHO.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Apr 21 2019 5:01 pm EST

schneidw: Thats part of the criteria that made Anderson ranked in that area....seems people want to ignore that the lowest any respectable scouting org had him was 12th, most had him 9-11....a big part of that was due to his all-round game, that he was a safe pick that would be an NHL player and that he had proven it by playing against more mature players. It wasn't just the ranger sand the scouts there...it was the scouting community as a whole...

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:59 pm EST

mf: The shorter term is why I think it will be closer to 7 per....if it was 6 or 7 years I would agree on the value per point, but in order to get him to give up term they will need to go over that a bit.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:59 pm EST

RF4L- THank you. If competing and succeeding against men is a key criteria of success... which makes sense... wasnt that the same metric the NYRs used to justify drafting Lias Anderssen at 7th? Just asking ..

schneidw


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:58 pm EST

WC: I have noticed that Contracts over the last 5 or so years for guys that score 55 points and lower come in at approx $100,000 per point scored + $1 million.... It was true with Stepan, (that's quite a few yrs back already) and would place Kreider right at $6.25 mill per... Again, if we need to pony up a bit, especially to encourage him to accept a 5 yr deal, by all means... Our current worst case scenario "Cap Wise" is that after 2 more seasons; Hank $8.5mill, Staal $5.7mill, Shatty $6.65mill, Smith $4.35mill, A Total of $25.2 mill Comes Off The Books... This also happens to Coincide with the Expansion Draft so Gorton & Company needs to figure out how to prepare our protection pieces....

mf


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:56 pm EST

GM: Sakic and Yzerman... alot in common... great leaders, centermen, stanley cup MVPs... so remind me why Messier hasnt gotten a sniff at a GM job??

schneidw


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:45 pm EST

But I think you are about 500K low. He is probably going to be 6.75-7 per for a 5 years deal...he is going to sign for 30-35 mil, probably closer to 35 mil for a 5 year deal...probably 35-37 mil on a 6-7 year deal. He could make more career wise if he did the 5 year deal, then go 2 mil per for a couple more years after that as he winds down his career.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:43 pm EST

mf: Agree. I would rather do a bit bigger AAV for 5 years than a lower one for 6. With the young kids coming there will be a need for cap space as they develop....Kreider as I said before I could see being like Cullen....as he loses his top end ability adjusting his game to use what he still has to help from the bottom 6. At that point he will get paid less, and after 5 years he will be at that crossroads I am sure...if he is still going like he is now I will be shocked....he isnt a stupid man, he knows how this goes. He could get the same amount of money in 5 years as 6, and the Rangers could absorb that cap hit easily the way big contracts will be falling off the next few years.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:36 pm EST

Kreider: $6.25mill on a 5 year deal sounds good to me & I'd rather pay a little more per season than go 6 years.....

mf


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:30 pm EST

NCRanger: I am with you there. He has the one ice stuff we all see, god and bad parts. He also has some off ice stuff. The team has been torn to shreds off ice. Kreider is one of the guys that seems to be close to a lot of guys not he team, he speaks Russian, I know many think that doesnt matter, but he is a vet not he team and there are a lot of Russians on the way and thats a big deal IMHO. He seems to love being a Ranger so it would not shock me to see him take a deal less than he would get on the open market. I am not saying he will sign for 5 mil per, but 6.5-7 mil per is what a player who gets 25-30 goals gets in the NHL today, and he gets a ton of goals from right in front is a leader over the last couple seasons with tip in goals. He may have is issues, but I think the good outweighs the bad. And this season prior to his injury that started to nag at him and before the trades picked up he was not as inconsistent as in the past. Makes me wonder if mentally moving forward with less traded happening and looking towards the future if he will be better in that area. I DO HOWEVER feel that they need to extend him BEFORE the deadline next season, if they cant get him extended or it looks like he is holding out for a bigger payday, they need to move him....it would be sad to see him go, but they cant risk losing hime for nothing.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:20 pm EST

I’m in both camps when it comes to Kreider. I wouldn’t be opposed to moving him for a good package if one comes along but I’d also be fine w/ re-singing him. But for me, it all depends on what terms he’s looking for. If he wants 8+, it’s too rich for my blood, given his inconsistency (which I don’t see changing at any point. The dude just doesn’t bring it game in game out. No denying that.) if he’s willing to sign for 6.5-7 on a 5/6 yr deal, I could live with it.

NCRanger


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:13 pm EST

E: With Fox, would you give up a late 2nd if they allowed the Rangers to negotiate a deal before the trade. This would guarantee he comes to the Rangers instead of giving a year for him to think about it. IMHO it would be worth it, because the chances that a late 2nd will be a player as good as he is are kinda low. He is a pick (3rd rounder I think) that looks to be one of those that is going to make teams wish they had selected him earlier...similar to Buch, there are teams that wished they had used a 2nd on him in that draft, maybe some that would have used their first on him at this point. SO giving up a late 2nd (especially if they end up with 3 2nd rounders if DAL doesnt advance far enough) for a kid who could step in along with the other kids recently drafted would be a good move.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 4:07 pm EST

Bob: I wouldn't be shocked to see Kreider have a career turn line Cullen. A former top 6 guy with hella good wheels that as he lost some of his jump and some of his skillset dropped off due to age, still finds a way to hep his team. They are not directly comparable of course, but Kreider is a guy I could see transitioning to a bottom 6 role and being OK with that idea, focusing on the defensive parts of the game and just creating when he can using his speed and size for years beyond his prime.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 21 2019 3:06 pm EST

Schneidw...my understanding is that Pul didn't compete and succeed against men like KK has.

RF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 2:33 pm EST

VAN- Petersen is untouchable... which is why I proposed the Boesser and their 19 and 20 first rounders..... throw in Smith contract... Sounds like nearly every wallster would rather have Kakko... fine by me... but as HOSPO said... no guarantees wth draft picks.... anybody see similarities with Kakko and Puljujarvi ?? I havent compared... just asking since Finnish RWs with size and U18 production.....

schneidw


Sun Apr 21 2019 2:05 pm EST

Chris Krieders speed game has been augmented by the fact that he has become statistically supported one of the best in front net presences. He redirects pucks as good as they get. He’s no one trick pony. He’s a developing hockey player who continues to develop. Again, I’m not married to any player. But he is closer to the answer than he is to problems.

E


Sun Apr 21 2019 12:34 pm EST

Kreider has the wheels, and that will allow him to be productive well into his 30’s. I am much less nervous about extending guys that can skate like him. It is the guys, that wen they lose a step they cannot keep up that clubs should be wary of extending, IMO. Now if the Rangers are blown away by an offer, they should consider it but otherwise, re-sign Kreider.

Bob


Sun Apr 21 2019 11:09 am EST

#1 for rental Hayes was like stealing. Will never be a guy that can take over a game. I love what Gorton has done this far- most of our castoffs of last 2 years out in 1st round-save Zucc ( I’m hoping he gets stars to round 3).

Puckyou


Sun Apr 21 2019 11:07 am EST

Happy Easter my Friend's

rangerlou


Sun Apr 21 2019 10:22 am EST

E: I agree on KREIDER. As for FOX, they need to clear out the hen-house on D before they can even think about trading for him or signing him.

Vic


Sun Apr 21 2019 10:19 am EST

E, very simply put, Kreider will be 29 when he will hit UFA market next summer. Like all ufa’s he Is looking for a payday, at $7.8 - $8.5 * 8. While he is could be productive first few years, there is no guarantee that he will impactful player come 1/2 part of the deal. That means when Rangers are going to be competing for a Cup, they will have an albatross anchor at $8 mil per. Why take a chance? Look at Lucic on Edmonton. Not to say that Kreider is Lucic, but Kreider is one trick pony. He is all about speed. Any tiny bump that impacts his speed, and he useless. Today’s hockey is a young man game. Throw in the fact that Kreider is notoriously inconsistent. All and all, there is a very little upside in signing a 29 year old UFA...

andrei


Sun Apr 21 2019 9:41 am EST

If you wanted to trade Chris Krieder there would be quite a number of teams looking at him. And it begs the question, “why?” I’m not beholden to any player and would dump anybody at anytime for the right move but I see this kind of worship at the alter of Kreider by some and by others a need to dump him post haste. Personally, he is an impact player. I put him as one of the best net front presences in the NHL. And yeah, he misses time but so do lots of guys. I’m not anxious to part with him. I want him signed because the New York Rangers are better with him. He has some good hockey years coming. I don’t think he’s plateaued, as a positional player, he’s improved dramatically. His hand eye is much better. Just about everywhere he is trending upwards. But, I will not move a 2nd for Fox when the New York Rangers can just sign him later. But I would compensate for a trade. I just don’t think they have any leverage at all when it comes to Fox.

E


Sun Apr 21 2019 9:13 am EST

Sorry, that should have read 18th draft slot.

Vic


Sun Apr 21 2019 9:10 am EST

Yes, but what if Dallas, Colorado, Columbus and Carolina were in the Conference finals. Wouldn't that mean that Winnipeg would have the 17th draft slot????

Vic


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:51 am EST

The Peg pick is most certainly 22nd. That's because Winnipeg will have had the best record of the teams that are/will be eliminated who also didn't win their division. So Washington, Tampa, Nashville, and Calgary won their division CANNOT pick below 26. In fact, with the Flames and Bolts ducking out, they are now in the 26 and 27 spot respectively. Then basically it goes by record. So the teams that are still in that didn't win their divisions and that DON'T make the conference finals are ranked based on their record.

tdchi


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:34 am EST

So right now, picks 26 and 27 are owned respectively by Calgary and Tampa. If Washington doesn't go to the final 4, they'll be 25th and if Nashville doesn't go to the final 4, they'll draft 24th. The Jets had 99 points so drafting after them will be at least Pittsburgh and possibly both the Sharks (103 pts) and the Islanders (100 pts). I think that means the lowest the Jets pick will be is 21.

rF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:30 am EST

Ken Campbell ‏ @THNKenCampbell .... I firmly believe Jacob Trouba has played his last game as a Winnipeg Jet.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:16 am EST

Oops...copied all the rules but deleted the stuff for picks 1 to 15. That's why the 1st rule says 'are assigned the next picks'.

rF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 8:15 am EST

Here are the draft order rules for selections 16 to 31: 1 Playoff teams that did not win their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks 2 Playoff teams that won their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks 3 Conference finals losers sorted by points are assigned picks 28 and 29 4 Stanley Cup runner-up is assigned pick 30 5 Stanley Cup champion is assigned pick 31

rF4l


Sun Apr 21 2019 6:01 am EST

So the lowest seeding for the Jet pick is 22nd. 22nd is where the Rangers' second first rounder was last year and they traded up to get it...

rF4l


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:47 pm EST

you guys are the best, thanks

mf


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:34 pm EST

MF.... Dallas has to beat NASHVILLE so we can get within 20 or better. Now we really need Dallas to win. Go ZUCC go!

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:27 pm EST

mf: Its 17-22...It depends on the outcome of the 2nd round. The winners of the 2nd round automatically get a lower pick, the losers of the 1st and 2nd round (unless they are division winners) fill in the picks in order based on points from pick 16 (or is it 17 now?) up to pick 27. TBL and CAL get the 26th and 27th (I think those two picks) since they won their divisions even though the lost in the first round....I may be off on the exact numbers there...but there is still a chance the AVS and the Stars being wildcards will puck before the Jets if they dont advance past round 2.

Wildcard


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:19 pm EST

Congrats to Gordon on a fine trade. Lemeux and 22nd overall for Hayes? Well done.. Now he just need to sign Panerin and trade Kreider after/during draft. I can see TB 2nd being offered for Fox.

andrei


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:18 pm EST

Thank you St. Louis..... Is that accurate, that the worst the Win-A-Pig Pick can be is the #17 ?

mf


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:02 pm EST

Another fine Gorton trade with the jets gone first round.

RF4l


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:02 pm EST

Watched all six games of the Stl/Wpg series and I must say... LAINE has the flexibility of a piece of Rebar, the agility of a Buffalo and the energy of a 3 toed Sloth...…….other than that,he is getting paid what he thinks he is worth !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:00 pm EST

whoops...never mind...I got my series mixed up....they need to beat the Blues....my bad...

Wildcard


Sat Apr 20 2019 9:00 pm EST

So if Dallas wins the worst we could do is the 17th pick for Hayes? Not bad.

steve443c10


Sat Apr 20 2019 8:59 pm EST

Now we just need the Stars to finish it off, and then go and shut down the AVS, and the Rangers get another 1st....not impossible....not easy either....

Wildcard


Sat Apr 20 2019 8:57 pm EST

May the Schwartz be with you!

RF73


Sat Apr 20 2019 8:56 pm EST

Blues defeat the Jets! Another decent pick/return for Hayes.

RF73


Sat Apr 20 2019 8:55 pm EST

Thank You St. Louis!

Bob


Sat Apr 20 2019 6:22 pm EST

Springtime; did you notice all the "tradelings" out here this mornings? :->)

mf


Sat Apr 20 2019 5:01 pm EST

Glad Dallas won.... Next stop, "Lets Go STL!"

mf


Sat Apr 20 2019 4:59 pm EST

STARS win 5-3 to take a 3-2 series lead over the Preds in the best of seven series.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 20 2019 1:10 pm EST

STEVIE: That is an incorrect statement. The "re-builders" want the team to challenge for the Cup every year. But since the Rangers aren't in a position to do that right now we would rather have them suck then be mediocre so that they can draft the elite talent that will put them in a position to compete for a Cup every year. How long they have to suck for is entirely dependent on how well they draft and manage their assets. Nobody wants them to suck for 1 second more then is necessary. The 3 to 5 year time frame that I talk about is just the honesty that even if you draft the next CROSBY it will still take 3 to 5 years for that guy to mature enough physically and be experienced enough to carry a team to a Cup win. It is unreasonable to expect any kid to walk into this league and dominate it to the extent that he can carry his team to a Cup win as a teenager.

Vic


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