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OH..and what is the over/under for how many minutes it takes the nauseating Rosen and Dicaletti to whip out the "Rangers are tired from playing two many games at the 4 Nations tournament and it's not fair" excuse?....No excuses, this team should handle the Sabres and then the Penns easily if they give a shit...

What this is the place for is that it was great to see Hartford come out smoking tonight with all of Brendan OTHMAN, the Human Buzz Saw, and the red headed step kid Zac Jones all laying GIANT Eggs as the Pack was throttled by the Baby Pens....You know damn well all three want to be in NY..but..no..we need to see most of AK34, Vesey and Brodz in the top 9 and a schmoe like Vaantinen......Oh well

Arrogance for chanting USA in Boston at a game between US and Canada?….What is obvious is this is totally political to you….Boston fans stayed classy…

wiosa - We agree. Sad, but unfortunately unavoidable given the current climate between the US and Canada right now. Gotta say, I've never seen it this bad. Nevertheless, bagging on the Great One? Absolutely unacceptable.

I won't get into what 'started' the shit with Canada, but needless to say...I think everyone north of the border has good cause to be pretty fucking pissed off at the United States right now...As for the chants...I'm not pissed off about it...but if you can't see the arrogance behind it, then you're not looking too hard. The team and the fair-weather fans were all but celebrating from the first puck drop. There were a lot of presumptions, and a lot of folks who forgot how goddamn good the Canadian team was and who goddamn invented the sport of hockey...Just as an aside? You don't hear those chants during the WJCs, even when the tournament is hosted in the US.

If fox is injured then why was he playing in the tournament?? If he is 80 percent why is he playing in the tournament....are the rangers that stupid?? Probably. Hell they got Kane.

PJ - I said that last night when it happened...classy and respectful reaction to the Can National Anthem and prideful and a amped up response to the US Anthem..totally different then what started all this crap and blown out of proportion by the self serving media..ESPNTNT in the US..

Upset with the fans in Boston for chanting USA?…What the fuck do you want them chanting?….They showed more class then the fans in Montreal for damn sure….USA team or their fans have nothing to be ashamed of….They both did great….

On Neil Smith...he brought us the cup, and yes Keenan had a lot to do with it, but he hired Keenan. As for the following years, of course he tried to go for it again, [[shrug]] why not? I still thank him for that. Just MHO

TD..youre preaching to the choir. He will always be TGO. My point - sorry Im not that articulate - is; if this background noise was not a constant beat, nobody wouldve cared what he was wearing and what side of the rink he came in on. Love the competition, love the little national spirit, keep the politicians out of it, and keep them out of our heads!

TDCHI - It looks like that with Fox and an injury,,but everything about him has looked off including his conditioning and recovering on plays...Probaly the knee injury but i'm keeping my "as he has aged, he hasn't worked hard enough to stay his fastest and strongest" in my back pocket

Just a thing on GRAVES...Just not sure you are giving SMITH enough credit on that one..He scouted him when he was with the Red Wings and got him drafted...He knew he wanted him and went after him big time with the offersheet..a bold move back then.....Even offered a popular Ranger in Mallette (who I loved) for him while Sather went with King? rice? Debrusk? That's kinda irrelevant..what was relevant is how badly SMith wanted GRAVES and knew what he was.....The BEUKE/MESS/Tik moves were different...Just my take

Tdchi being at the right only right time we can agree to disagree.... first he got Nichols who he eventually traded up for messier....anywho....smith although not perfect won the CUP period!!!!!

re: FOX - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the guy needs significant knee surgery. Probably trying to rehab it, because nothing is ever quite the same after surgery...and if I were to guess...whatever he needs isn't a quick recovery...but I suspect that's the problem and that when the Rangers finally wrap up their season, he goes under the knife and rehabs for a prolonged period...FOXY was never as slow as he's been this season. He's noticeably slower. That doesn't happen overnight.

Tdchi correct but they used malette has a comparable... It wasn't a trade ....graves was a key piece was my point along with messier was my point.

wiosa - LOL! Seriously. The reason EURUZIONE is wearing a jersey is because not a soul in that rink would know who the hell he is without it. And not for nothing...Wayne GRETZKY ***IS*** hockey. He is and always will be the greatest player to ever lace them up, bar none. He transcends national boundaries, FFS. Anyone bashing him needs to seriously re-evaluate why they watch hockey.

vcp1994 - Ah my man, first you're misremembering: GRAVES was signed to an offer sheet. Troy MALLETTE was the compensation. You may say, 'hey, who gives a toss...same difference...' But in truth? The Rangers landing GRAVES falls into almost the same identical category as them landing MESSIER...This was one GM's total fucking abject lunacy and another GM's ability to recognize a gift horse staring him in the face...I can't sit back and pin everything on SATHER...the lunatic GM...because POCKLINGTON was a notorious cheapskate and didn't see WHY he had to pay his players...some points to SMITH for signing the guy...but he also had him with the Adirondack Wings and knew full well how underrated he was in Edmonton...which Sather SHOULD HAVE KNOWN...but didn't...and let him go because he figured he was a grinder...nevertheless...and suffice to say...if POCKLINGTON...and his hatchet man, SATHER, didn't implode the Oilers dynasty and send them back to the stone age...1994 would've never happened...I guess what I'm saying is that the way I look at SMITH? He was in the right place at the right time and built an eternal legacy with Ranger fans that he really doesn't deserve...I know I've said this before...but man...the Rangers were setting up TO BE a dynasty. They had everything firing in the right direction...SMITH gave them a little nudge and it landed him a cup. Then he spent every minute after that cup trying to capture his lighting in a bottle again...what he caught was a big load of dogshit because he didn't have the foggiest clue on how to build a team. He just kept on trying to pillage the Oiler legacy with every move he made...That was how he saw to win. Just grab a bunch of players who won before. Sorry, that dude sucked. And everyone in the NHL figured it out too, with exception to the hapless Islanders...who figured it out two months after hiring him. He was a hack who got lucky. Simple as that.

What does one thing have to do with the other? I also remember the days when we had guys going to these dog and pony shows and the only thing we hoped for was that they didn't get injured.

I dunno what's wrong with Fox, he took an injury - run of the mill I thought - and never came all the way back. I like the guy but -

Jay-zus are my Canadian friends PO'd big time at 99. I cant help thinking someone is living rent free in their heads. It's a national competition not a political one. We need to keep our heads on straight. It was anyone's game, and Canada won it, they did a good job. Now onto the regular season

Rhetoric JT had a great series, highly visible and involved in both zones. Saved a goal yesterday. Unlike fox who sucked.

I would say that Zac jones was sent down largely due to the fact that the team wants to get a real look at Matthew Robertson. Less so about the conditioning.

Just going to mention this: JT Miller didn't have any points in the 4 Nations, which brings him to zero points in his last seven games. Add to it that he was having scoring issues in Vancouver before the deal. Is this something to be concerned about?

TDCHI - Yep, agree to disagre..on many things there...But fair points..and we will likely revisit next year!

And on the Smith thing, yes you've stated your stance previously and yes what you say about him isn't invalid. The latter portion of his tenure started the organization on a horrid stretch that only worsened once Nob for Life came on board (the hard salary cap ended up saving him, ironically enough). But, he did build a cup winner and for me, that's what I focus on - not the crap that he left behind. Hell, there's enough negativity to focus on with this all too often dumb-ass team - when I think of Smith I thing now THANK GOD for him, lest is be none in 85 years and counting!!!!

TD: Yeah the USA chants were amusing to us here at home (my family mean). That tweet your president sent out before the game was something else and I guarantee you was used in the Canadian room for extra motivation. I understand and support getting behind your country's team in these sort of matches (hell I do) but when it starts to become politicalized, it detracts IMO from the meaning of the sport and the game itself.

Tdchi no way ...but to each is own..th vision to even understand the need for a messier , and of course graves for troy malette, c'mon really???

Hospo if fox does that then I still trade him lololol unless he really gets faster and much stronger lolol he is dam weak ..

RF4L - I came into the tournament liking Team USA. I came into yesterday's game not really caring. By the end? When Canada won? I was actually happy for them. To put this in perspective, I am about as pro US hockey as they come. Always have been. Outside of the 1994 cup win, the BEST part of my years following hockey has been watching the USNTDP become what it is today...from the 1990s to now...Watching our kids now rank among the best on the planet...seeing the NCAA rival the CHL...for me to not give a shit about a team put forward by our country? It takes a lot. Takes even more for me to be happily content to lose to Canada. Shit, there are still knuckle indentations in my fridge from when CROSBY scored his GWG in 2010. This time? I don't think it even registered on my blood pressure. Just didn't care. Happy even. And the more I think about it, the more I'm proud of the Canadians for handing all the shitbag US fans chanting "USA!!" a big slice of humble pie.

Hospo - I fully understand why you and other Ranger fans revere Neil SMITH. And why others revere KEENAN and MESSIER...Fully understand...But I just don't agree with it. At all. The only guy of those three who I come close to respecting for 1994 is MESS. That dude really did put the team on his shoulders and carry it across the finish line. What he did after is the only thing that sours that memory for me...see him essentially micromanage the team and then when he didn't get his bag of money, pick up and move out of town leaving his buddies holding the tattered remains...I will NEVER forgive that guy for that transgression. Then his whole four-retirement tour with the team just made the sour taste he left me with turn bile-churningly bitter. I was doing the happy dance when he left...as for KEENAN? That dude's incompetence was bore out in the years that followed, when he too took his oversized ego to St. Louis and drove THAT team directly into the ground...and then Vancouver. And then Boston. And then Calgary...and then finally the NHL learned...Neil SMITH? Shit man...He burned out his welcome in the NHL much quicker. Even the Islanders realized how big of a charlatan this guy was...to go from a cup-winning GM to a...SCOUT?! And to get fired by Charles WANG? I mean, c'mon. History has bore out that both SMITH and KEENAN were fucking boobs that just happened to be in the right place at the right time...and unfortunately for us, SMITH didn't follow KEENAN out of town...because had he? We might have gotten more than one cup out of everything Craig PATRICK did for us.

Well Binnington has a cup and Hellybuck keeps flaming out in the POs. And now Binnington has a 4 nations championship on his resume and Hellybuck doesn't.

TD: The Canadian broadcast had some of that but not nearly to the extent you're describing from the US broadcast. Ugh.

On the action itself...I'd say that game was a tale of two coaches. The US team was FAR superior in almost every respect. Better, more mobile D. More physical. Larger. Faster. A more talented group of forwards overall, even if MacKINNON and McDOODLE are probably one and two in terms of the best forwards on the planet...and goaltending? BINNINGTON had his moments...but he's just not even in the same league as HELLEBUCYK...BUT...SULLY decided early on to shorten his bench. Some of that was because of Matty TKACHUK going down...in truth, he should've never been dressed...but that's a different story...the end of the game was a pure result of Austen MATTHEWS being mentally checked out for OT. Someone mentioned Jack HUGHES being the culprit...but I rewatched that sequence several times and Simple Jack was actually doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing, which is staying tight to his point. The guy who was a fucking moron was AM34...You take a faceoff against McDOODLE. You KNOW that fucker is on the ice...WHY in the fuck would you wander off toward the corner when fucking Cale MAKAR has the puck? You don't leave ANYONE in the slot THAT open. And definitely not the best player on the planet. He was at least two strides away from McDOODLE when the goal was scored, and that is unacceptable...Anywho...the difference in that game was the coaching. Jon COOPER is a fantastic coach. SULLY is a fucking pretender who had the good fortune of inheriting some of the top players on the planet. He is seriously one of the most overrated coaches out there.

I still want the Rangers to win every game .....but ....looking at the age and seeing the performance of the Ranger players in the Four Nations tournament and the Rangers paucity of good young players after recent deals, it really isn't a rosey picture for Cup contending anytime soon...And I can't believe this is me saying it, but seems the only thing do it is take a step back and rebuild the roster and Cuppard..and not jsut by trading Vesey, Vaakinen, SMith, Lindgren ...Kreider and ZBAD (who will be hard to deal for anything of help) is the next step up.....But there are only three players that could really bring back something really good and Young..and that is Panarina, Fox and Igor (not my choice)....Not saying if or who I want to deal...But a BOLD move will have to be made......ANd then you go stroong In UFA after the deal(s)....OTOH, it is more likely we will be buyers and the SOS......All that said, bring on the SABRES tomorrow!!

I was almost...ALMOST...into the Four Nations tournament. Then ESPN did this fucking absolutely LUDICROUS mashup of Miracle and the Team USA locker room...and I gotta be honest, I almost turned it off. Like, what the fuck has got to be going through your mind to even put that team or ANY team that played in the 1980 Olympics in the same category as whatever this tournament was? Those games 40 years ago? THE WERE REAL. This? Meh? It was marketing...and A LOT of it...with some good hockey smashed between it...It was good hockey and the players were into it...but I got that same feeling one might get after scarfing down some sort of disgustingly sweet, syrupy concoction. It felt good right up until you realize that everyone in the tourney is a multi-millionaire...the absolute strokefest they were having over SULLY and the TKACHUK brothers sure as shit didn't help...but the likeness to the Miracle really set me the fuck off...and then to hear that the morons...probably many of them drunkenly chanting "USA" the whole game...paid $2,300 for a fucking ticket?! Sorry folks. Nothing historic about that game other than the absolute cadre of marketing professionals they threw at the event. The hockey itself? Good. Not as good as the playoffs by any stretch, much less the cup...and to me? I would take the WJCs over the Four Nations any day of the week and twice on Sunday. THAT is pure hockey. THAT is true emotion. This was a huge amount of hype. Entertaining hockey? YES. The rest? The announcers. The showmanship. The BS? Blech. Reminded me a lot of the gigantic unmitigated cash grab that was the "World Cup of Hockey." And the coda on this tourney is that to do it WITHOUT other nations was some real bullshit. This idea that it's just Canada, US, Sweden and Finland is so dismissive of everything that is happening in this sport world wide...Yeah, I'm being curmudgeonly. I know that...but to me? This? It missed the mark. Not by a country mile...but significantly.

Why compare FOX and MAKAR- just look at WERENSKI, he looked like lightening compared to FOX. That said, there is no way they get rid of him.

VCP - IMWO, Fox doesn't need to go but he needs to put a hell of a lot more work into his strength and speed as he gets older..That can't be done until the summer...Relying on his smarts is not enough..especailly as the EAST has become big and stronger

Trocheck is a beast - he's one of those guys who's body can take a beating without severe injury.

Essentially sports also talking about how horrible fox was .. mentioning he is too slow and soft and small for the big time ..I guess we are now officially journalists lololol. We aren't the only ones who recognize fox needs to go. He ain't no fox.

Rf4l completely agree I would trade fox. Probably get a good return. Drury won't do it though he just signed him .your right he doesn't have the gonads.

For shits and giggles: https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2025/02/trade-deadline-primer-new-york-rangers-6.html

Fox has a full NMC kicking in July 1st. I know Dreary doesn't have the gonads to do it but if I was in charge I'd seriously explore the trade market for him either now or at the draft.

Zac Jones BTW sent to Hartford on a conditioning assignment. Other impressive prospect the Rangers are ruining. What an organization!

Rf4l fox cant hold makars jock strap...trade fox now before his deal kicks in along with Igor.

VCP/Hospo: Late to the discussion, but Smith is the best Ranger GM in my lifetime. It's a simplistic analysis, but he delivered what no other Ranger GM since 1940 has been able to give us. Can you imagine the agony the last thirty years would have been if we were still in the midst of a zero for 84 slump? God bless Neil and Mess.

Will AM34 captain your Olympic team next February? I'm thinking no unless he tears up the league in 25/26.

That tournament was the best quality hockey in years and I thoroughly enjoyed watching every game. And while it pisses me off to be runners up again, kudos to Canada for once again staring into the abyss and coming out on top. That game could have gone either way, and if you think about it. Was much closer than the Salt Lake Olympics when the US nearly goalies them, and Canada was far superior. And I NEVER thought Imwould ever say this……well done to the Boston crowd. They were fantastic. One of the reasons nobody sings out anthem is because it is near,y impossible to sing. You have to have the range of John Brancy to do it. Canadas anthem is so beautiful and easy to sing in comparison. And I always get chills when the Canadian fans sing their anthem as they do. Unfortunately…….the product we will see got going forward will be pale in comparison starting tomorrow. I wonder if Auston Matthews will fulfill his defensive assignment when the leagues open back up. Leaving McD alone in the slot? Good Lord!

RANGER 47 totally agree and also I can only see JT making any Olympic team, maybe Shesty. We are way behind and lack any intensity and soft.

Congrats to our Canadian Wall brethren! Aside from K's one goal, our representatives showed how much behind others we are. We should be sellers, but probably will take one last shot as buyers before tearing things down again...

I didn't notice Fox at all yesterday (nor the Saturday game for that matter). The difference between him and Makar is HUGE.

To think I drank the juice from some on this board and didn’t want Eichel. It’s why I’m an amateur even here . Career ECHL

If McAvoy and Quinn Hughes are healthy is Fox even playing in Olympics ? Kreider won’t be .Hughes got bounced around his back was on the ice more than the puck . All these years I now get to share something with Devils fans after that goal . Yay

“It has not been an [easy] season for us,” the coach said. “We had a good start to the season [and] were decent Jan. 1 ’til now. We got lost a little bit in the middle, and really, it’s gonna come down to how we finish.” … if you don’t make the playoffs you’re finished….. you can’t wipe your fingerprints off this season’s mess…

If tampering DD drury can make a deal for Brady t , he’s just what the doctor ordered. He would be their captain and hopefully take rempe under his wing and mentor him. He’s definitely the spoon that stirs up the soup. It all comes down to what the price would be that Ottawa would settle for. They can start with taking zbad back.

Hate to admit it but time and again Cooper shows he is a good coach he had McDavid and MacKinnon out there against Fox. As a Ranger fan this tournament has left me empty only JT Miller played well the rest were a sad disappointment

I hope LAFFY and MILLER were watching these games and are thinking I need to be that good..and do something about it ...They are the only young guys we have with a chance of being Really good. (Kakkao and Chytl already gone).More nd more convinced that PANARINA, becasue of his value is the only chip that can bring back something young and good..

Not that i needed another reason, but I HUGHES even more now..Someone has to lay him out in the next 30 games!

And at the very least. We didn’t have to live with Crosbaby scoring the OT winner. That would have been spit in the eyes.

Here’s an idea. Leave McDavid all alone in the slot. Same sh*t, different year. The US got goalied.

Yep..BINNINGTON amazing in OT..Losing Tkachuck hurt big time but, all in all, Canada has/had the better roster although USA played their asses off

Schneidw because Dolan is too stupid .. amazingly many folks here don't care for messier even though he is responsible for being the only captain traded for to win the CUP.

Couldn’t convert vs. Binnington and rare poor coverage in own end and Canada wins….Hats off to Canada….Great game….

FUCK..USA played such a good OT until then...But Canada hs the best in McD and McK

Checking In... Not very active on the WALL these days, but always think of the WALL as a virtual home,.. I have virtually known many of you guys, USA and CAN both... Just want to say thanks for the friendship and great conversations over the year.... Waiting for the OT to start and appreciating seeing GREAT freaking Hockey... I am color blind when it comes to USA-CAN... Can I ask, why is Mark Messier not running the NYRs?

Kreider not able to give 100% I find it hard to believe he is just dogging it. That back must be bad. Too bad

I get Kreider not getting top minutes but he only has less than 6 minutes …. Kyle connor might have given more? Not sure that’s good with Matthew hurt

Cnparda whom else needs space to skate or otherwise is lost . Hint is is Russian

I have given up at getting Brady, but your right BENNETT is the poor version of him. HUGHES looks lost, just can’t operate when he doesn’t have room to skate without getting touched. USA needs to find a way to get another, lines are a mess right now.

PLAY TRO more in the 3rd, he shopuld be fresh..US needs that big time...McKinnion/Makar scare the shit out of me every time they touch the puck..

And a fuckin winds blows down HUghes...choking punk....and playing with Nelson!!

CNP - DOn't torture yourself with Tkachuck!!! Think about signing BENNETT as a UFA instea!! More likely! ...for Tkachuck, start with Laffy, Cuylle, MIller

What a waste having Brady in Ottawa, that dude is all emotion and everything the Rangers need.

NYStranger - It is indeed, and expected..But i don't want to see him bail and fail TONIGHT

What gm and coach won the cup with the Nyr ? The rest have been different versions of a circle jerk. Dd drury has made it into the circle.

Hospo watching BitchBoy Hughes bail on plays to avoid getting hit is a beautiful thing!

Not a fox fan ... If he learned to fuckin skate in the off-season they would help ... Brains isn't enough.. .ok I will try to stop repeating myself lolol

You want to make the playoffs and be non contenders keep Fox, Igor, ZBAD, panarin....

Yep hospo. You can have the goods all the prospects and still bomb. Smith won the CUP end of discussion.

I think even HUGHES might run over Fox these days!..Ok, punk boy Hughes might be stretching it a bit..Time to make a contribution Jackie Boy

IGOR back..Garand down..."New York has also assigned defenseman Zachary Jones to the minors on a conditioning loan. Matthew Robertson has been recalled in his place."

Damn, that was great..All those ugly AMericans spitting all over Canada..Not...Great and all class, even for a Boston crowd! As for the game, let's see

TD: I’ll rephrase that a bit. All the draft capital was there for the Rangers to win the cup. They were stacked in prospects and young talent. Whatever Smith wanted was available to him because he had the capital.

TDCHI - You sucked me into it...A reach-around because somebody disagrees with you? That's pretty lame....But I go by facts not opinions and could haves or should haves or maybe or possible futures...well, mostly....Doesn't matter how he did it, Who is the only New York Ranger GM to do the near impossible and win a CUP, the only thing that matters, in 84 FUCKIN YEARS of so much talent? Plain and simple, He was a great New York Ranger GM just for that...AS for opinion, I m a results guy.... to me, every move that SMith made, every kid he traded. every player from a former regime he traded was necessary, every player and coach he picked up was necessaary for a CUP, which went to 7 games the last two series...That was real and happened . Anything else is conjecture. Now, What he did afterward is another story where i will agree with almost all of what You say...and that tarnished his "greatness"..But..the real CUP for a team that has never won another one for any of us..and that goes back to the 1950’s---.unless OLD RANGER DOG is still alive--well, that trumps everything

Here's some wall grist while where giving Neil SMITH a reach-around...Craig PATRICK landed: James PATRICK, VANBIESBROUCK, Jan ERIXON, Kevin and Kelly MILLER, Tomas SANDSTROM, Tony GRANATO, Dave GAGNER, Kjell SAMUELSSON, Mike RICHTER, Ulf DAHLIN, Brian LEETCH and Darren TURCOTTE. Trader Phil added Tony AMONTE, and, to a lesser extent, Louis DeBRUSK, Steven RICE...if you peel back where those players went, you'll see how close SMITH was to the cup team when he came to New York. All the parts were there. PATRICK was the one who just nailed draft after draft and really laid the foundation for it all...ESPOSITO did his best to fuck it up...SMITH came in and took the layup he was handed when cheap-ass POCKLINGTON gutted the Oilers SATHER fritter away ME$$IER...where did those pieces come from? Well, SANDSTROM and GRANATO bought Bernice NICHOLLS. And then ESPO draftees DeBRUSK and RICE...boom...So SMITH the great architect? Meh? He happened into a VERY good situation, made a couple good moves...and then pissed it all away as soon as he hit the finish line...I will never get worship of that guy or KEENAN or MESSIER. I tip the hat for their contributions...but having them? It was selling the soul of the Rangers to buy that cup. The disaster those three collectively brought to this franchise ushered in the horrific MUCKLER and SATHER eras. Took a fucking decade to wash the stink off this organization after that...

vcp1994 - Peter CHIARELLI also won the cup. I wouldn't say Neil SMITH was that bad or even close to his league of terrible...but sad reality is you don't need to be a fantastic GM...or even an average one...to win a cup. You DO need your predecessor to make the right moves and stagger into some blind luck...I'd say SMITH, for the most part, did a little of both. Oddly enough, he also had a knack for drafting...and then trading away those picks for shit...so who knows? Maybe the guy we got now, who does the same thing, will stagger his way into a cup. Not holding my breath though.

RF4L - I think this team has a real opportunity ahead of it...the MOST ideal thing to happen would be for them to dismiss LAVIOLETTE and get a forward thinker in the head coach's position...But there are some good players out there that would make good additions here...start with FREDERIC and KUNIN, for instance. I'd really grapple with overpaying for Sam BENNETT, but he's out there too. Christian FISCHER and Sean KURALY will be out there too...possibly Jakub CHYCHRUN...Jordan GREENWAY...I could see them moving ZIBANEJAD in the offseason to free cap and then chasing any collection of those guys. So yeah, there's lots of room to maneuver in the offseason...and maybe that's the plan...throw away draft capital and prospect...replace with UFAs...dig the hole deeper. We'll call it the andrei plan.

Hospo if you read gutkowski book it was ironically smith who was impossible , Keenan of course admits fault..now I still take both back lololol. CUP as we stand isn't even close with Miller .... panarin, fox, ZBAD , possibly kreider don't fit the mold possibly more players. I only see the games not in the dressing room . Laffy is starting to really piss me off ....

VCP - I'm with you on Neil SMith..he made his mistakes AFFTER the CUP...and the important word is CUP!!!! Best Rangr GM ever jsut for that.. Still sny talk of SMith jsut devolves into the same discussion and repeated arguements on both sides.....Like everybody but NICK KYPREOS, I'm so damn glad he was a Ranger!!! Although Commander McKeenan is awful hard to like..And so glad we traded everybody we did!

Neil Smith made mistakes all GMs do but in the end he won .more important he knew messier was needed and he got him from sather for nothing which is even more hilarious...

Neil Smith won a cup period ...I take him back . Heck I even take back Keenan..he would not stand for the pussies on this team

And restarting the season against the SABRES is a shitty way to go..hard to getup for a team like that but, if You are the Rangers and fat Country, You have too!

Bitching goes without saying! How we, ok me at least , cope...and bug others..:).But I want them make the POs, win round 1 even if they sell..All I know is I want them in ROund 1 agasint the Caps so I can go to th game with my turncoat son (Caps fan) and protect my grandson!

Hospo…Agreed I will be rooting for them this weekend as usual….Bitching up a storm but pulling for them nonetheless….Can’t do it any other way…

Hah, looks like we are back to the same Wall as it was before the break!,Totally understandable...but sapping and tiring already!..Fucking dRURY ans lard Ass!...I jsut want them to win every game and see some good hockey! I'll wait for the moves to happen or not happen!

Our best bet is to keep losing them and only then might we see Drury and Laviolett gone.... people who want is to make the playoffs which i understand why, will only hurt our future.... Drury and Laviolett have to go.

Oh and hey news flash to anyone thinking DRURY won't be spending like a drunken sailor on leave at Whore Island...There ain't NO WAY the Rangers are sellers. Zero. NONE. The only way I could ALMOST se this happening is if SHESTERKIN got shut down for the season. I'd say there's a 20-25 percent chance he doesn't do anything big...just grabs a minor player...but most likely? He will spend, and spend big. He's LITERALLY done this every year as GM. Last year was about as close as the come in terms of him NOT spending like a crackhead with a payday loan. He is going to go big. He will buy up any piece he can find that will give this team whatever he thinks is missing. I've already mentioned some names LAUZON on the Preds. Ian COLE on Utah is another. STURM and KUNIN on San Jose. Throw Mario FERRARO in there too. GOURDE if he's healthy. SOUCY was mentioned, and yeah. I could even see him taking a stab at O'REILLY. He will trade whatever he has to make the playoffs. He makes the playoffs? His job is safe. He doesn't? I wouldn't be so sure about it...and that's the sad part here...There's a rule of thumb that unless you're trained, you don't jump in to rescue a drowning person, because they will bring you down with them...well, we've got two drowning persons on the Rangers: Peter LAVIOLETTE and Chris DRURY. They will BOTH take the Rangers down to the bottom with them and do ANYTHING in their power to make those playoffs...even if it means really hurting the team's future. These are NOT the people you want at the controls...

re: Neil SMITH. Not sure why anyone would listen to that guy, given how divorced he's been from pro hockey over the past 25 years, not to mention the absolute and abject MESS he left the Rangers when he finally flamed out...He's almost right in this respect...except I just don't see the crazy tear that will allow the Rangers to make the playoffs. They need to leap the Bruins, Columbus, and Detroit...and they need to outpace the Islanders, who are only a point back behind them. The chances of that happening by playing .500 hockey is just very remote...Strangely enough, the Sens, Bruins and BJs have also been playing 50-50 hockey...but DREW'S Islanders are rolling and so are the Red Wings. None of these teams will challenge the top three in their respective divisions, so unless the Rangers plan on going .750 to .800 over the next 25 games, or if they mange .650 and the other four teams all remain under .500...yeah, we're on the outside looking in.

Yeah, this waiting for the other Dreary shoe to drop is anxiety creating. Seems most agree the proper decision is not to repeat the deadline moves of the past 3 seasons and in fact, go the opposite way. But with this incompetent clown, who the hell knows? His acquisition of Miller is more of the same - futures for now albeit at least JT isn't a rental. Does this peckerhead have the gonads and foresight to recognize to continue with more of the same he's pushing the organization into a long stretch of at best, mediocrity? Zero confidence in him.

My suspicion is that the Rangers will be worse next year because of moves they make at the deadline and over the Summer. If they get close to the playoffs this year the pick will be mid round. Next year it will be in the middle of the lottery in a stronger draft. I'd rather the Pens have it this year.

The top five in this draft is not shabby at all. Very good players. Maybe even the top 10. MISA, HAGENS and MARTONE are all very good picks. Same with FRONDELL. And of course, SHAEFFER, who is now projected to go first overall..THAT SAID...I don't think the Rangers land anywhere in the top 10...I guess if the choice is between picking between 15 and 20 in this draft or picking between 25 and 32 in the next draft, I'd take the latter...but I'm just not sure that's how it will shake out. Really, it's a Sophie's Choice...but if there was a year to abandon ship and let gravity bring us to the bottom? This is the one. This team is going NOWHERE with LAVIOLETTE as its bench boss. They will continue to win a few, then lose spectacularly...The BEST move would be to start making moves for next season NOW...but we all know that ain't happening...The WORST move would be to trade MORE futures for rentals...and that is EXACTLY what is about to happen...so there is the problem. THAT is the argument, not whether this draft is bad or the next one is better. It doesn't fucking matter. What does matter is that we have a GM who has already divested most of the team's draft capital and is poised to shed more of it in the coming weeks. THAT is the argument. THAT is the problem. THAT is what we're talking about. Whatever happens with the Rangers' first rounder in this or next draft is academic at this point.

I think you boys know how I feel about a teams makeup. I want a team that can play many ways. I think with the addition of Miller, this team now has the ability to bang and play with speed. I think Zbad and Panarin should be put togetherto have a line that skates and is finesse. I think with Miller you can have a 200ft line that can bang. An you can have trocheck center a line that can bang and play 200 ft.Now the team has the components to play against any team. I think the coach is the last part. Either Lavi findsa way to get them to construct lines and get them to play with tactics to win. Don't ask Zbad's line to play like Millers and don't ask Miller and trocheck to play like Zbad.

Newspapers on-line have become bullshit. All of them have these + or have to pay to read articles. Now the Post is the latest. Almost all their articles you have to pay. I understand newspapers are dying but why make customers pay when there are so many advertisements? Then people wonder why people get misinformation from Facebook and Tiktok.

What are the chances that DD drury agrees with Neil Smith? If he had a smaller ego he might even hire him as an assistant or a consultant. But there’s not enough room inside his vest never mind his head. The only moves he might need to do are not for making the playoffs or a playoff run . They are strictly cap and contract related. And they shouldn’t be for picks . He needs to figure out next year’s roster. 1994 should not be allowed to stand as this one will last a lifetime. The curse of nosen hopefully retires with him.

JMO, but I would move out SMITH and VESEY just to keep Othmann and Berard here. They are arguably part of the future and that future should begin now. Berard did not deserve to be sent down in the first place and has also torn it up in the AHL with Othmann after his demotion. I'd also love to keep Robertson here so we can finally figure out what he's going to be. Start NOW. We know that Jones wont be getting another sniff in the lineup barring some major injuries. Food for thought.

ANDREI - Of course...but as i mentioned below, they wanted a TOP SIX--and that means offense to me, that could nd would play a tougher N-S game..It's the entire package they wanted compared to the finessey game of the current top six "producers"

Hospo, let me put it this way, if Miller was just a tough as nails, banger with limited offense, he would not be getting paid what he is getting paid, and baggage he carries, he would be warning out his welcome in more then a few organizations by now. That's all I'm saying. Miller's offensive ability is a huge part of why Rangers were interested in him.

Hospo, Miller was brought in to provide offence. He is a legit 90-100 point guy and he is getting paid as a top ten center in the league for that reason. Physical part, leadership quality and desire to win are all major, major components that makes him a very special player, but let's not make a mistake, Miller will be heavily depended on to be an offensive tread.

ANDRE - MIILER was brought in to START changing the identity of the team..to bring in a tougher more N_S top six game that Both ZBAD and Panarina can't provide.....I agree trading Panaarina now would leave a big hole in scoring (but better defense and 2 way attitude) for this season...but any deal of him and/or ZBAD would be too remake the team with next year and beyond in mind.....And Panarinaa would sure bring a lot more back in return.

Laffy feels he needs to be better lololol no shit Sherlock....wow how long did it take you to figure that out.

Hospo, you know where I stand with ZShit. Can't wait till he is gone. Panerin is whole another story. You take him out and Rangers will struggle mightily to put up points, no matter who is signed in the summer. Don't see Panerin being moved. Whole point in bringing in Miller was to add to scoring.

NYStranger, this current team? Hell no. Who said anything about going for it this year?? This core needs to be blowing up. In most deadline deals, players traded are all pending UFA's and in most cases, they all walk free to the UFA market. That's the point of the deadline deals. I'm pretty sure that Drury will be a seller in a few weeks. Only 5 games left before the deadline. I fully expect certain players gone in a matter of next 10 days or so.

Ratelle1967, completely disagree. Not everything is black or white. There is as much print on the team by Drury today as it was Gordon's, just like deadline additions that folks hate, like Copp, Vetrano and others are the reason why team made it to the eastern Finals three years ago. It sort of having the same argument that 1994 Rangers could have won more cups without 1994 deadline deals. Possible? Sure. But tell you what, without those trades, 1994 wouldn't have happened. So what we rather have today, a guaranteed Cup and amazing run in 1994, or possible scenarios where hypothetically, multiple Cup runs with Amonte, Weight and others. Also, don't really like history re-writing. Buch was gone no matter what. There was no cap room for him after Kreider re-signed. BTW, according to David Pagnotta, same Buch that STL is looking to trade now. Same trade essentially cleared room to sign Goodrow, which we can argue was a big part of the playoff run last spring. Sure, we can talk about some other trades that could have happend, or how Baron or Howden making the impact with the Rangers vs trading them, or maybe they wouldn't have made impact, since it might be they needed to be traded to get the message, and it further pushed up their development. Impossible to say. I think you are referring to Lundqvist, if so, he struggled mightily in Dallas. At this point, I think Jones might be a better player then him. Will never dispute that Gordon did a good job starting the rebuilt, he did. But to say that if Gordon was still a GM today, Rangers would have shown the same results and gone that far in the playoffs? Personally, I think it's a huge leap of faith.

What assets did Drury add at any of his deadline deals? 3rd rounders or later? Everyone decent just walks as a UFA come July 1.

Andrei do you really think this team is better than the one the got blown out of the ECF last year? Yes it was a blow out. THAT team wasn’t good enough and this group took a major step back. Why is going for it again this year smart or the right move? Now if you are talking about trades that help for years to come/ free up cap space/ and the team gets younger? That I am onboard for. But rentals? NFW!

ANDREI - I think quite a few of us have said that...buT I only think that really helps if You get rid of one of the wimp softees ZSOFT or PANARINA.Getting rid of both wouldn't bother me either! but don't think that happens or has to happen

NYStranger, again, completely disagree. There is plenty "left" as far as assets and additional assets will be added at the deadline.

Hospo/Puck, said it back in December, that Drury will be active at the UFA market. All indicators point to it. Totally expect him to look for a forward upgrade at the top 6 and mentioned Rantaanen, if he was still unsigned.

The problem with going out to trade for that missing piece every trade deadline is that after a few seasons there is nothing left but leftovers and a team with no soul. I have seen this same movie too many times with the Rangers and the Yankees.

andrei. Went to the finals twice in last 3 years is due to Gorton. He is the one with the brains. If Drury did absolutely nothing more than the signing the checks, we would have had buchnevich, howden, barron and lundquist on those teams and subtract out goodrow and the rentals. We would have 6? draft picks, the exact list of picks pissed away for nothing was summarized a few weeks ago by maybe rf4l?, its too painful to look at.

VCP - Gee..I think one or two of us have been saying forr over a year what Neil Smith jusy said!!

I guess I now qualify as a prudent hockey Mind as I have said this over and over again. Looks like our only cup winning GM in 50 years agrees with me regarding ZBAD, Panarin and fox.

VCP - So, be a kid again, and dream that the Rangers make the POs and beat either the Caps or The Panthers in the first round..or..Get Off My Lawn!!!

from forever blueshirts Neil Smith: “In my opinion, they are going to take the eighth spot (in the Eastern Conference). If I have to predict, I think the Rangers do make the playoffs in the eighth spot,” Smith said. “But I don’t see them as a team that’s going to be able to accomplish a heckuva lot in the playoffs this year. I think their accomplishment is going to be making the playoffs, but I do think they will. I think they’re set up to make it.” When pushed why he thought the Rangers were good enough to get in but not good enough to make a run, especially if goalie Igor Shesterkin finds his A game down the stretch, Smith remained firm. “I don’t see it,” Smith replied. “Yeah Shesterkin can win a round by himself, he’s that good. … When he’s on his game, and we’ve all seen it, he’s incredible. …But I don’t see them [having sustained success] once it gets into the grind of those better teams in the East.” Part of Smith’s reasoning is that, even with Miller, the Rangers are too much of a fancy finesse team. To that end, he believes current Rangers GM Chris Drury needs to “tweak what they are” even more before the March 7 NHL Trade Deadline. “I think the J.T. Miller [trade] starts that. But I think they go too much east-west and not enough north-south, meaning they do not attack the net as much as they try to get into the zone and play more side to side,” Smith explained. “Quite honestly, I don’t think [Artemi] Panarin’s playoff performances have been great compared to his regular season and that’s because playoffs aren’t his kind of game. … I don’t know if you can live with [Mika] Zibanejad playing the way he plays and Panarin playing the way he plays, and Adam Fox being a smaller really talented offensive defenseman — but he’s not big, not Brian Leetch size. “I think to get through the playoffs, you’re going to have to more [Vincent] Trochecks and more J.T. Millers. And quite honestly, I don’t think it’d be bad to have a [Jacob] Trouba in there. … The one thing Trouba did for that team was you never knew when he was going to lay somebody out.”

rf4L, I will never understand that logic. Picks are assets, that's all they are. You can use it to draft assets or you can trade it to gain an asset. This is a BAD, BAD draft. Rangers are better off either drafting in the lottery in 2025, where there are some good kids, or draft in 2026, when draft will be deeper. It will be 3-4 years at least, before drafted kid is even ready to play in NHL, maybe longer, if ever. So Rangers will either get an asset in 2025 or in 2026. What difference does it make, as long as that drafted asset is a good one? If anything, drafting under Drury and his scouting team have being better then drafting under Sather or Gordon.

Puckyou - I kinda agree but after You deal KREIDER, you have 3 sopts to fill in the top 9 (Right now - Vesey, AK34/Brodz, Kreider are in the top 9)...I can't see DRURY going forward with the first two..and all we really have in Hartford is OTH

Puckyou that would also hopefully make Zmeek more likely open to waiving his NMC. Fingers crossed!

If I’m Drury and come the deadline someone offers a 1st for Kreider, I’d probably take it, knowing you can shed his salary, replace the pick in the JT deal and free up $ for July. You can bring up Othman and finally give the kid a shot. Kreider deserves a shot to go for a cup with one of the elite teams, and probably has only a couple of years left

andrei: Once again we disagree. It's absolutely ludicrous to me to make a trade when you're sitting something like 11th from the bottom with 30 games left and you make a trade that involves risking coughing up your first even if you don't make the POs. That the talent in the upcoming draft isn't considered as strong as other drafts is irrelevant - it's not like everyone slated to be picked in the top 16 are shit. To watch Shitsburgh use the Ranger pick if the Ranger fail to make the POs will be for me another lowlight in too many lowlights as a Ranger fan.

NYStranger, let's see, Rangers made it to Conference Finals twice after that Willson incident in the last three years. Twice they came two games away from playing the finals. To me, it's a huge success. Would argue that with healthy Strome, Rangers would have beating Tampa, and then roll the dice the Stanley Cup Finals, but we will never know. Not sure where all this negativity is coming from. Is this a down year, sure. Whether people will argue it is due coaching, players or combo of many, this year is done. Next year? Let's see. Personally, i totally expect wholesale changes and it be a much different team come next October and with the a different coach. I'm exited. Never liked this core. So to me, it's growing pains that team had to go thought to build a team that can win a Cup. If anything, I love trades that took place so far. Really like what Borgen and Miller had brought to the team and I can bet you that more sand paper is coming. Will hold my judgement until I see what team looks like come next season.

Let's look at the bright we lose in the first round anyway. Not enough revenue for Dolan ....he fires Drury anyway.. and of course a new coach best outlook....we aren't beating the caps or cats

For the record, unless Rangers finish in the lottery, then you want 2025 NYR 1st to go to Pens this year. This is a terrible draft. RF4L, not sure why are you so worried about missing the playoffs and loosing that pick? So what? This draft will go down as the worst draft in last 25 years. Rather have Miller then any kid drafted past top 15 in 2025. Those kids drafted past lottery in the 1st round, in the normal draft, would probably be drafted in later rounds, like 3/4th rounds, if not later. Much rather retain 1st round pick in 2026.

nystranger. yep we are screwed. like waking up in the ocean and asking where we going and what ship we on and being told new york and the titanic. Drury will trade future to make playoffs this year. Until Dolan goes, there is no hope.

NYStranger: And it's interesting that the stupidity has taken on different flavours...

I am pretty much convinced we are screwed for the next 5 years thanks to the stupidity that has occurred since that game when Wilson bashed Panarin’s head around the rink.

TDCHI - Unfortunately, past evidence points to all of that..so I guess it's only a fool's hope that DRURY doesn't mortgage more future for, at best, a one and done...At the least, I would hope he counterbalances acquiring vets with selling vets for more of a status quo....Too hope that he he doesn't buy and just sells vets like Lindgren, Vakanien, Vesey maybe even Kreider is asking too much...As is a bigger core move which likely happens over the summer

Hospo - LOL, yeah, the ONLY thing that makes sense to ME right now would be liquidating. Selling off and recalibrating for next season. This team shows flashes of what it can do, but there's simply no sustained effort. To lose against a team like the Pens...and quite simply get outplayed when they're missing their two most potent offensive players...Man, that was the end of the season for me. Can't expect to win a round in the playoffs when you're losing games like that in the late winter...I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time...but it's just so unlikely for a team to be dragging around .500 at this point in the season and somehow pull off a deep run...it's just so unlikely...But here we go...There's just no way DRURY is a seller or sits on his hands. He's going to make the same flurry of moves he's made three seasons in a row, and the Rangers are going to end up ditching even more future capital for nothing.

“We’re in a dogfight,’’ head coach Peter Laviolette said following a short practice at the team’s facility in Tarrytown. “We have to continue to battle. We’ll count on everybody.”…. Says the pussy cat who helped put them there and doesn’t count on everybody…..

On the flip side, the majority of players are getting rest. And the ones that played: Z played 2 games. Kreider 1, (probably 2), Miller, Fox, Trocheck 4, Vaikanan (3). I think the only ones who could have used the rest or will be adversely affected would be Fox and Tro. Miller had a leave, he’ll be fine. Urho needs to play. Kreider seemed pretty energetic. Z needs a lobotomy so I don’t think he will be negatively affected. It’ll be sad if Matty T and Jesper Bratt are tired for the playoffs!

Both SOUCY and LINDGREN have been sold physical D-men up until this year..Both also FAs to be..THe only way A trade makes sense for SOUCY is if You get him for a 6th and Your are trading Lindgren for a, say, 2nd.....OTOH, we just traded KAKKAO for BORGEN (instead of signing the guy as a UFA this current summer), who is the same player as SOUCY! Well, actually not as tough/strong or soldi defesnively (this year not withstanding!)

NYStranger - Ha! Yeah, the problem is, I don't think we'll see enough of that negative impact until DRURY has already traded away what few draft assets he has at a very ill-timed run at making the playoffs...

re: SOUCEY, if the plan is to trade LINDGREN and bring in this guy? Man, DRURY has officially jumped the shark and is circling back for a second go at it.

LOL and the one gold the scumbucket Russians landed was in 2018, when they had KOVALCHUK, DATSAYUK, KAPRIZOV and GUSEV(not to mention SOROKIN and SHESTERKIN) in the lineup the year the NHL pulled out of the competition. What a pack of dirtbags.

The CCCP thing was such a load of shit and a great example of the Olympic committee just letting Russia do whatever the fuck it wanted...Russia CLAIMED the "Red Army" were amateurs because...well...they were all actually in the army and classified as soldiers...but all they did was play hockey...anywho, seems to me that the Olympic committee could be a little more deft with figuring out who is and who isn't a pro. That right there would be a good start...but with pros included in 2026 and 2030, I guess it doesn't make any real sense. Just gonna be another area where teams sending players are going to end up getting fucked.

vcp: The answer was found. Let pros in. And as I posted, look what happened: The cheating Russians have captured 1 gold medal in men's olympic hockey since.

Td I am not sure that is a bad thing (negative impact). For this particular Rangers season. But in general, yes agree. The idiot Drury should be making moves to load up for next year but of course he won’t.

So by team: "The Florida Panthers are the most represented team at the 4 Nations Face-Off with eight total players competing. Two are on Canada, four on Team Finland and one each on Teams USA and Sweden...The New York Rangers are the next most represented team with six players competing, followed by the Minnesota Wild, Tampa Bay Lightning and Vegas Golden Knights with five each...Two NHL teams have no player representation at all: The worst team in the league by points percentage (San Jose), and the best team in the league by points percentage (Washington)." So playing Kreskin here, I would wager that you'll see all those teams with between five and eight players in the tourney to have a drop in play come April...I'll also make another prediction: None of them make it out of the second round...And the team that didn't have any? Washington? I would expect them to go very deep.

Hospo: ‘ and one of ZBAD/Panarina will have to go before next year’….Do we have to stop at one?! ;-)

I know the fan sentiment has been very much in favor of the Four Nations tourney...and I agree 1,000 percent that it's better than the alternative...this milquetoast 'all-star' game featuring what is essentially pond hockey played by pros...but I got beef with this tourney on so many different levels...like first? I just don't get how you have a tourney like this and not have other nations in the mix. Like the most obvious is Russia...but Czechia? The Swiss? Slovenia? Latvia even? And of course the Germans. It's better than that stupid 'World Cup of Hockey' shitstain they pushed a few years back...is they hockey good? Absolutely! But am I cringing every time a Ranger takes a hard hit? ABSOLUTELY! And am I wondering how adding in five or six HARD-FOUGHT games is going to impact the rest of the season?! ABSOLUTELY. Can't play at the level these guys are playing at and avoid injuries. And some...like a TKACHUK being out? McAVOY? That could change the course of a season...The easiest workaround to this all would be to move hockey to the summer games and do bi-annual tourney in July every other year. But tethering to the Olympics seems like it'd be a mess in and of itself...The idea I always liked was tethering the World Junior Championship to the winter games...just do it a month later than normal...of course that then begins to interfere with college and CHL playoffs...and to a lesser extent, the Euro-league playoffs...nevertheless, I wouldn't doubt that this tournament is gonna have a negative impact on any team that is providing a lot of players...

Yep I know the players want this and TV are good but it's really murder on their bodies ..... The college kids should get the nod..NHL schedule is insane the level of hockey and injury in the playoffs will probably suffer

NYSTRANGER - I'd even throw in ZBAD, but I guess that is subtracting! But seriously, the need for TKachuck and the impossibility of it is why DRURY had to get a JT MILLER and the way he plays the game.....Obviously more work needs to be done, and one of ZBAD/Panarina will have to go before next year, but it was a good start despite the pick traded

Question? So would you do a trade of Fox or K Miller, Othman, plus a1st round plus for Brady Tkachuk? Image a line of BT/ Miller/cuylle? Yikes!!

Sweden actually had a chance to be playing Thursday…Two OT losses and a win over U.S. The loss to Finland a killer…U.S playing with 10 forwards for most of game last night….They hit 5 posts but their PP had me thinking I was watching the Rangers….All passing and few shots….

Oh for years the Russians dominated because of the silly-ass no professionals allowed (re no one from the NHL). They won 7 of 9 golds from 1956 to 1988 until finally the dumb IIHF changed the rules to allow professionals. Since then Russia has won only 1 of 9 tournaments.

I love the pros best on best hockey. Just wish it wasn’t in the middle of the NHL season. But the Rangers will never win a Cup anyway so why should I care?

VCP- I think the amateur players was always kind of a myth. The Russians weren't using amateurs back in the day. The US did but the inequality was what made that such a thrilling upset. I don't think you could recreate the 1980 experience. I think the definition of amateur has become ambiguous at best, especially with college players now getting the ability to sell their likeness. They get scholarships for playing sports, so isn't that kind of like they are getting paid play. It's an ideal that trying to restore it would be like putting toothpaste back in the tube. It's a nice thought,but... Besides. I like the best on best. 4 Nations was fun, the Olympics is better because more teams. Russia is the only wildcard as we don't know about whether they will be allowed to play.

vcp: The players want to play in these tournaments. It's also good for the league in terms of publicity. Apparently the TV ratings are through the roof. It certainly beats the sheer boredom of the all-star fiascos.

Both Kookchuks are hurt. That's the price you pay when you charge around the ice like reckless maniacs. Yes, you sometimes injury the opposition but more often than not, you end up injuring yourself.

They need to go back to amateur players ... using NHL ers really isn't right....

NYR's should be back on the ice today (sans those players playing for team USA) I'm concerned about Trocheck, he has one of those nagging injuries where he shouldn't miss any time but it will hake it tough to get anything on his shot. I guess we'll see.

The US/Canada game was a game for the ages. It does not get better. My take away though is that as physical a game at that intensity can not be sustained over a series no less a season. It was really an anomaly. The human bowling balls like the bash brothers will cause injuries. Everything has a crack and that is where the light shines in.

Hospo: I checked some of the rumour sites for you and from what I could discern nothing new - just a regurgitation of the same names none of which included any Rangers.

They still played better without him! :)..But, really,just something about his usual game when the intensity goes up...ANyways, any trade rumors?

Hospo. What PJ said. It's not just Sweden - Canada's Makar missed the US game because he was sick.

No Meeka for Sweden? A healthy scratch? All i know is The King mentioned how displeased he was with Sweden before tonight and their total lack of forechecking....so..it would kinda makes sense to bench ZSOFT...Good for KREIDS o score..I still like him as a Ranger..though understand tne reasons for dealing him if we do

It will be interesting to see if the US can ice a full team on Thursday. A lot of walking wounded. I can't imagine NHL teams will be happy about the injuries.Even stuff guys can play with, you take a shot off the knee or the wrist and it means they'll be less effective when their NHL teams need them the most.

This new phone is driving me crazy with latency. .. ... connection issues very strange.. letters are jumping when typing.. pixel 9 .. watch out.

Dam spell check is killing me lololol if he had a rocket shot that would help. He would have IQ and a shot.. trade Fox he isn't that important in our power play. What miller lacks in IQ he beats fox with his shot, and superior skating ability ....oh I forgot his size toooo.

Jake0104 sucks being right sometimes Coloradomark If fox learns how to skate they would be great...heck I have free time to assist him!!If he had a rocket shot that won't help but nnit even that. Average shot that relies on ?????? IQ a one tool player.

VCP You might be right Foxs Hockey IQ and vision is world class but in a game of speed he is lost

Since when is a one tool player enough as in fox.....if he improves his skating then great .

Fox really showing how slow he is...trade him now ..his vision is special but his size, speed and lack of intensity are simply too poor.

Flu bug running through Sweden. Zibanajad is sick. But I’m sure if this game meant something, Z for Sweden and Matt T , Macavoy and Brady would be playing. Tro got hurt on the 1st but seems fine. Almost scored on a nice feed from Fox.

Thanks I didn’t know it doesn’t count the second period has been played with passion, speed and snarl

Jake... Tonight's game means nothing for either team, my guess is that they're both trying to get everyone in who hasn't played yet.

In Montana and turned on at start of 2nd. Where’s Mika ? This game too fast for Fox. Kreider playing like he care.

Not sure how Nelson didn’t get a goalie interference penalty there? If that was a Ranger in an nhl game he’d be suspended already!

KIS - I like Larkin but if it’s Laffy from last year no. This year it’s tempting. But I don’t want to get that much older!

Guess the rumor of a JT Miller/Elias Pettersson rumor was true! The 2 of them just got into a vicious brawl! There was real hatred in that bout! https://x.com/metalpanthers/status/1891572790492369028?s=61&t=Q_IeRBnrZ-SVbj42tngklQ

Man, speaking of the Pack...what a mess. They lost two this weekend against Florida's AHL affliate...and neither one of those games could be considered close to a win...Spicy Pork has been absolutely terrible this season...to the point where I really don't understand why they continue to start him over GARAND...and on Sunday? They were outshot 49-18. So whatever is/was ailing the Rangers has certainly carried on to the Pack...which isn't overly surprising...whatever cockamamie approach they're using under LAVIOLETTE the Pack is using in Hartford...the crazy thing is...the Pack have a really good team. This should be a team that is in the top 12 of the league, not 25th overall. They have scoring, they have a great collection of vets, they have strong defensemen and good forward lines with an edge. The fact that they are as bad as they are is really quite mystifying.

TDCHI - I don't know what exactly will come to pass like You seem to...and while I do agree with you and think it is most likely that Drury fills the two voids in the top 9 with vets....even DRURY should know that, before any moves, OTHMAN provides a better alternative than AK34 and Vesey at least short term...More just a hope that he acts accordingly so, no, I don't need a bucket of cold water

Oh and the feckless dotard musing about LAFRENIERE. That's rich. What a fucking idiot. LAF ain't going anywhere. Definitely not this season. Surely as shit not for ZEGRAS. I wouldn't doubt the Rangers have an eye on ZEGRAS...And for the record, I positively love the kid...but even DRURY isn't stupid enough to think he needs a player like that in exchange for a player like LAF...if they DO make that leap, it'll be at the behest of DRURY moving picks and prospects...maybe a contract like JONES or VESEY to make room...truth is, the Rangers have ZERO room in their top six, and none coming any time soon. It's part of the reason KAKKO is no longer a Ranger.

So hard truth alert...If y'all are thinking Brennan OTHMANN is going to walk onto this team this season and get the minutes he needs to be the player he is...well...here's a cold-bucket-off-water-to-the-face wakeup call: It ain't happening. Not this season. And unless there's a different coach, not next season. LAVIOLETTE will do the same thing with him as he's done with CUYLLE, and EDSTROM and BERARD, and to a far greater degree, REMPE, which is that he'll get 8-11 bottom line minutes, with zero special teams and a full staple to the bench in close games after the second period...Not to keep being the Wall's Debbie Downer, but NOTHING is going to change without a coaching change. You could put McDAVID and MacKINNON on this roster, and hardly anything would change...Simply put? The cavalry ain't coming. There will be roster tweaks. More picks and likely prospects will go out the door...and the team is going to finish exactly where it is right now, which is playoff-bubble, 4-6 points out of the last wildcard position.

Hospo. If Dreary does what he should (trade away the likes of Lindgren Vesey Kreider etc) then BO surely will be recalled.

Zegras will drive fans insane. He is an amazing player. But I don’t think he gets that scoring isn’t on a curve. You only get one goal each time it ends up in net. He can do things that a generation ago would be like magic. But he’s a long ways from the steely eyed playoff warrior. And I think there are very few players in the NHL that Drury would trade Lafreniere for. And it wouldn’t be for potential. It would be for now with term

RF$L - Think it's time to move OTHMAN up when the season starts again..Has to be better than VESEY AND AK34 in the TOP 9, no?.......Oh, BTW, Brooks once agaain with the idiotic trading of none other then spoiled punk, soft as shit, legend in his own mind, 1-dimensional ZEGRAS..............."Larry Brooks of the New York Post suggests (subscription link) that the Rangers might want to consider trading winger Alexis Lafreniere, suggesting Anaheim’s Trevor Zegras as a possible target in a swap that wouldn’t be just one-for-one. Lafreniere got off to a solid start this season, earning himself a seven-year, $52.15MM extension in late October. However, since the contract, he has just 25 points in 48 games, numbers that are decent while he’s still on his entry-level deal but expectations will be higher moving forward. Brooks questions if the 23-year-old will be able to play to his full potential in New York, wondering if a swap of highly touted but underachieving young forwards might be the better way to go.

Has the AHL broadcast improved I found the online broadcast pretty away as far as th video clarity??

BO with 2 goals today giving him 9 in his past 11 games. Raising his trade value??

Things that are obvious in the tourney. Time and space doesn’t exist. Players like Fox who like to hold the puck and stretch plays are getting isolated at the blue line and forced to dump pucks around the dasher. Hughes gets knocked all over but he never quits on plays. It’s a good lesson because he’s a guy who is gonna challenge you 10x in space and try to get thru you. You’ll stop him 9x but on the 10th he’s gonna get thru. He never adjusts his style. The premium is as usual on speed. And it seems to matter more and more. If you have no wheels you can’t play in this type of game. It’s very impressive. Team USA is not an all-star team. I mean in the sense that they’re heavy on all stars that play a gritty and in your face game. Team USA is very formidable. And they can circle the wagons when they have the lead.

NR...Actually I didn't miss the point at all....Who gives a shite what nationality they go after...U.S and other countries providing many good choices...

PJ...you missed the point completely ! The point is that it would appear that the Rangers are going out of their way to have Americans only . Oh and by the way no hockey fans thought it was silly when the league was 99% Canadian. Everyone still loved thier boy hood heroes.

But Foxy just needed to get away from the worthless Lindgren..OK, snarky...But FOX has improving to do on his own mental and physical game for the Rangers no matter his partner..which is more important to me than this 4 Nations rigamarole..,

VtRanger: like most I draw the line with who I hate with these type of high stake tournaments. I don’t care who shines for the US and try to look at Players like Hughes that way as the devils are my most hated team . However … like you said , any casual fan can look at him so far and say the same thing . He is great against teams like Finland early . Last night was a round 3 game 6 tied 2-2 but with fighting . He wanted no part of it . Sadly Fox is not much better . I actually do not think we will see a fight if they meet in title game similar to a game 7 . Also what is scary is I think if Quinn Hughes was healthy both Fox and Kreider would not play in the final .

Kakko, Goodrow, Roslovic, Trouba , Zac Jones and a 1 in 25 for Brady Tkachuk. Oh … wait

Going back to a time that Canadian born players dominated the league to point out the Rangers had more Canadian players then is silly….Last nights game demonstrated the progress the U.S has made and continues to make developing players….

NYStranger - I expounded on the Canadian-US thing in another post, but if you're marking WHEN the Rangers got really US-centric, it was when GORTON took over...Sather was already kind of moving that direction...he had all but cut out Russian players from his draft choices...GORTON pushed the team much farther in the direction of drafting/trading for/signing USNTDP products...where I will say you're off is in any assumption that the Canadians play a tougher style of hockey. The US and to a lesser extent, the Finns have really cornered that market. You watch the WJCs, and the US is always a more physical squad. The Canadians may have more physical guys who are also high-skill...but man, the USNTDP is producing absolute bangers. The TKACHUCKs are a great example. I remember the advanced stats guys losing their ever-loving shit when Brady TKACHUCK was drafted fourth overall...and it's because you look at that dude and he's not that highly skilled. He's decent. But it's how he plays that puts up points. Matthew TKACHUCK is a bit more skilled, but it's the same thing. So US-born affinity right now is really what I think most folks here want to see...and TBH, it's how DRURY is drafting and the type of player he's acquiring...Hockey Canada is an abject mess these days. And their junior teams are no longer the gold standard for developing players. There was a time not long ago when the worst CHL team would've trounced the top NCAA team...these days? I'm not sure the top CHL team would be able to beat any of the top 20 NCAA teams...you have programs like BU and BC and Denver just sucking in good players...the fact CELEBRINI spent his draft year at Boston really highlights how much better hockey has gotten in the US and how the USNTDP is really poised to eclipse Hockey Canada in terms of the quality of player being developed. And TBH, there are other countries that are right behind them.

Difference is that McDavid is unafraid and can take the punishment. Hughes can’t.

Newfie/Sho: To me, Hughes has been the least impressive member of Team USA. He’s afraid to carry the puck because he knows he’s going to be blasted by real defensive minded players who won’t put up with his dipsy doodle regular season bullshit. Just like McDavid got blasted at high speed last night.

JT Miller- Strong game... went right after Canada's biggest-toughest player right out of the gate... damn!

Newfie, exactly! You are making my point for me. The 94 team was loaded with Canadians and led by an all-world (Canadian) center. Humm. Wonder why we struggle to get past the first round or two for that last 25-30 years? Not saying it should be the Canada all-stars, but how about some freaking balance? Eh? Also noteworthy to say the ‘97 run was led by Guess who? And the last time we reached the finals? A large % were from Canada. Thinking there is a correlation…

Learned a lot about the league with this game today . Jack Hughes , Austin Matthews and I am sorry to say Adam Fox all look nowhere near capable of winning playoff round 3. I am not sure Hughes can win round 2 . Man they don’t fit in a game like this . Fox basically bottom pair and enjoying many wine parties in the Hamptons .

Leetch does have a hot wife now we know and folks on this wall say size doesn't matter.. seeeeeeeee

vcp... a buddy of mine worked as an intern for the NHL back in the 1990's...ans he was working the all star game one year... after the game, Leetch came out of the showers and my buddy said he had the biggest schlong he has ever seen...

Hughes is freightened to death out there,especially after that first opening shift. He reminds me so much of Marner...same mold and will never change. Marner is the long lost love child of Bambi and the Pillsbury doughboy !

I didn't see laviolett as an assistant....gee what a surprise or is it due to politics or specific terms . But hell Quinn was there and the famous torts .

My final no hold bared trade deadline wish list .. panarin,fox, Lindgren ,ZBAD,Igor.... possiblity kreider if its a haul like the others.. obviously the role players like smith vescey, for picks etc...

Colorado...the answer is..he is not....Logan Thompson IS the best Canadian goalie in the NHL. Bad, bad call on that one for Team Canada.

Puckyou I met leetchie too at an event . His hands were the size of my head otherwise about my size at 5'11 195 ish.. of course I have zero talent playing in I suck mens leagues for 25 years...leetch was indeed very bashful kind of polite yet not overly out there.. I met messier as well some 20 years ago a very confident, big strong, super decent fellow.. my favorite ranger besides fotiu .. leetch was also very decent just a bit shy..... messier was amazing I am rarely into any celebrities but messier brought us the CUP. In NY that's a feat..

NYStranger......funny you should bring that up. As you know I am a Canadian,no make that a PROUD CANADIAN and I have always wondered when the switch happened to heavy USA content for the Rangers? maybe it started after the Miracle on Ice ? Not sure. But to all the older Ranger fans on here you do realize that ALL of our older and all-time Rangers are canadian born......from Camile Henry ,to Harry Howell,Bathgate, Park, Giacomin,Ratelle ,Gilbert , Hadfield,Graves and Mess..I think you get the idea.

Nystranger I concur lololol. I don't think I am pessimistic either but others do.

Coloradomark your probably right Drury doesn't have the guts to trade them but I would...Igor ain't no hellebuck ..And fox simply is too slow and weak I don't think he saw ice in the last 6 minutes.. I would take fox at 7 million that's all a top 4 not a top 2 by any means ...heck I take trouba over fox although fox is good on O zone for sure . .. if your small you better be fast or I have no use for you.

I still find it interesting (not in a good way) that the Rangers don’t have anyone from the team on the Canadian squad. Or even anyone you might be able to argue should have/could have been included on the Canadian team.

I don’t think VCP is pessimistic at all. He is absolutely positive on what type of players he wants on the team and who needs to be shipped out ASAP. Have to say I pretty much agree. Only issue is even if Drury wanted to move out some weaknesses (being polite here) how does he get around those NMC/NTC and who would come back to fill in some very big spots in the lineup?

RF- it’s crazy, right? Speaking of crazy, how is Binnington the best Canadian goalie?

VCP- I just thought it was funny as everyone here pretty much hates Quinn, so funny that he’s in charge of Fox again. I think Fox will be back to form at some point!

Entertaining game. Canada needs to examine why we have fallen behind goalie development.

VCP- all good! I enjoyed our 2 person Zoom call as well! I’m definitely less pessimist than you, but I appreciate your passion! Surprised to see Berard on your list, I’m glad he changed your mind. I think some of those players will be gone, but not Fox or Shesty!

Doesn't matter about Quinn. Fox's weaknesses speed and lack of strength magnified playing against the best which he ain't..

Pumped that Prince Edward Island is prominently advertised on the ice and boards!

No one has talked about the fact that Fox is back with his first NHL coach! David Quinn, the D coach for the US!

Yep fox is outclassed he can't handle the speed. Got bitch slapped trying to carry the puck out and couldn't clear the puck out on another play...fox needs to be traded NOW for who I don't know . .Too slow too soft

Best 9 seconds of hockey in about 30 years . Was a beautiful sight to see 90’s hockey again .

What a first period other than Jack Hughes running away from contact on every shift. USA had the advantage in the net. Mika had chances to end both Sweden games that were lost in OT. His hands are betraying him.

Coloradomark it's all good we are here for fun.. also enjoyed our WebEx sometime ago your a good guy...

Coloradomark...players I like lolol... edstrom, vescey, rempe, kreider, trouchek, cuylle, laffy (hoping for more), berard ( even if puny), smith, , Carrick, miller , Schneider, borgen, vak, quick...I think that covers it...I hope ottman gets called up

This is awesome…Only time you’ll see me rooting for a Tkachuk or McAvoy, Guentzel but this is intense hockey….Physical and played with an edge which is an understatement…

I’m a dual citizen and I always root for the USA over Canada because I was born in the states and the US was always underdogs. But I hate that there is bad blood between my two countries. Entertaining? Yes! . I hate the booing of the national anthems. But I understand

JT recruiting Brady out there? Got into that fight so he can go pal around with the Tkachuk's in the box?

VCP- you have the right to not like Ranger players! I’m not criticizing you, I just don’t feel as strongly that those players definitely mean no cup. We agree to disagree on cup potential. But I just didn’t know how many Ranger players you actually liked.

A guy in Buffalo I’d like to get is Tuch. He is a gritty, muck it up kind of hockey player.

Dylan Cozens rumours are really gaining momentum. I don't see it happening but I sure hope Dreary has reached out to Adams to see what the ask might be. He gets traded and will be probably quickly rediscover his mojo and become an excellent top 6 centre.

Puckyou -but then who replaces him? JONES? I can't see them promoting either him or VAAKANAINEN to LINDY'S spot...but I REALLY can't see them promoting SCANLIN or ROBERTSON...even though I'd really like to see what both could do in the NHL...I also am not sure they'd get a second for LINDGREN...In short, I just don't see it.

Was interesting...looking around at how some of our prospects are doing and Rico GREDIG, the Swiss winger drafted in the sixth round, is playing on what amounts to be the Hartford Wolfpack/Rangers alumni team in Davos...Roster sports 2013 third rounder Adam TAMBELLINI, a winger I actually liked a lot...thought he'd be a good NHLer...2012 fourth rounder Calle ANDERSSON(son of Peter ANDERSSON, who played on the Rangers from 1992-1994, and brother of Calgary's Rasmus ANDERSSON), flash-in-the-pan UFA signee Andreas AMBUHL, who played a season with Hartford in 2010, Nico GROSS, drafted in the fourth round in 2018, AND our old buddy Brendan LEMIUEX, who played 2018 to 2021. Man...when does Ranger hockey start again?!?

TD-no way Lindgren makes it past March 7 as NYR. I predict 2nd rounder in return

Puckyou - I will be flat-out AMAZED if the Rangers are sellers at the deadline. Not unless they basically lose every game out of the gate after they resume. Even then, I don't think there's any way for them to be mathematically eliminated...so best-case scenario? DRURY made his splash and isn't looking to do much more...most likely scenario? He packages whatever picks he has left with someone like JONES or BERARD for a rental. I could see him upgrading VESEY. But the rest? They're here for the haul.

Coloradomark.. rempe isn't there yet but he may eventually get there. He is much improved.... otherwise pretty much those players yep that is my 0.5 cents....players listed are too soft or too slow...I like hedman for one , makar, Schneider, miller, borgen ...I guess I am not allowed to dislike anyone huh...that's why we win so many cups....hey can we have shea back I take him...

VCP-I know out for a Norris trophy, 3 time cup champion, 5’11” worse skating D than Fox who played 26 years in the NHL by playing great positionally. Granted they were different playing styles, but Fox is interesting as he is far more skilled offensively.

VCP- do by my count, according to you the following players need to go if we want to win a cup: Panarin, Zibanajad, Shesterkin, Fox, Rempe, (maybe) Kreider, and black aces like Jones. Is there anyone on the team you do like? Makar isn’t available but you like him. Which other players would you like to see in Rangers Blue?

Leetch was not awesome defensively in the late 80’s and early 90’s. He was completely lacking in good defensive zone play. And he was small when size meant a whole lot more than it does today where the premium is speed. It wasnt till around 2005 that the refined defensive Leetch began to round into form. He also managed to pack on a lot of muscle on his frame. Leetch’s best years as a defenseman were actually after they won the cup. Pre cup, he was a star player and he had all the offense but he became better as a defender every season post 94.

Hospo other way around Jones gets pushed around to easily..I don't hear teams barking for his services. If he was 6'1 190+ whole different story...size always matters lolol

Puckyou...he might be an offensive top 10!in the O zone but I don't see It in the D zone.His poor speed will really catch up with him in the coming years. Guys who can't skate have much shorter careers of being effective.. I am really an advocate of players that can skate or at least improving on your skating which fox hasn't had the chance to do??. does he even see the need I wonder. I mean everyone knows he is slow he has to know ..This can be improved on so many NHlers have vastly improved.. you can't teach hockey IQ which fox has but that's about it..

Keep Jones..dump Vaakaneinen...Or, hell, just keep both when you trade lindgren and go with the Mamby Pamby Brigade to protect IGOR

Depending on how the next few weeks go into the deadline, safe bet Lindy and Reilly Smith are goners, maybe Jones and Vesey too, but the real chip might be worth dangling is Kreider to a contender, maybe for a 1st rounder or a 2nd and a player and picks This also might convince Zbad to waive over the off season. This team is being rebuilt, might as well start it up at the deadline.

VCP,as a child, I had a poster of #2 Brad Park on my bedroom wall (replaced with Farrah Fawcett when I got a few years older.) he was my favorite Ranger and when they traded him for that POS Esposito I cried. I met Brian Leetch once at an event and he was so modest,I told him he was the best I ever saw at keeping the puck in the zone , he deferred to Jeff Beukaboom being his partner and never have to worry about pinching. Anyway, I would say Fox is having a sub-par season (for him) as is the entire NYR team, but I would caution you to be careful what you wish for, as you have a top 10, possibly top 5 D and you literally can’t replace him- teams don’t let those guys go, you won’t get near equal value. Lindgren will be gone soon and he’ll have a new partner, hopefully a stay at home LHD who will compliment him like Beuk did Leetch.

tdchi...oh my god , you still believe ? Not being chosen to even start for the Fins in game one ,just tells me all I need to know . I feel comfortable in all my concerns over this player.

Leetch was also awesome defensively....ohhhh and he has a ring lololol. Fox ain't getting one of those..try and forecheck leetch he would do a , blue by U...lolol...leetch had a great shot before he injured his shoulder ...fox can hold leetch's jock

Puckyou...leetchie skated like the wind and and a great IQ....I take leetch over fox not even close...they can trade fox for all I care...

Was watching a you tube replay of game 7 ‘94 vs Devils and reminded me what a great player Leetch was and how an a-hole like Keenan got the most out of him despite beating him like a rented mule. The amount of penalties that were committed in that game and not called, especially in the 1st period was off the charts compared to the current game. Anyway, Fox is the only thing close to a QB defenseman we have had in recent years, and my own criticism of him and his reluctance to shoot more aside- we are lucky to have him.

Tdchi you really think fox is good defending? As soon as he gets pressured in the D zone he gets trapped because he can't skate?

That's pure speculation on Friedmann's part - there's zero substance to it that this point. Anytime there's a big fish on the market, the Rangers always get identified by the media as a prime candidate.

Welp, I'm really...really...not sure what to think about this, other than to think to myself that DRURY is really angling to become SATHER JR. or MINI-MILBURY...RANTANEN is a fine player. Good player. $14 million dollar player over seven years? Whoa, Nelly. Not even sure he's a $12 million player...and if the Rangers ARE paying that kind of coin, at least chase Sam BENNETT and Trent FREDERIC. Could get both of those guys for under $12 million if you went term...But alas...this wouldn't surprise me at all...anyway, here's the story: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/latest-news/rangers-maple-leafs-linked-to-have-interest-in-signing-mikko-rantanen

Realizing that the 'trade Adam FOX' comments are probably more hyperbole than anything else...I would say the only way I WOULD trade him would be if there was an offer we simply couldn't refuse on the table. You can't teach or develop what FOX has. Even when he loses a step, he will always be a top defenseman. And he's signed on a reasonable contact long-term. He's not looked great this season, but the whole TEAM hasn't looked great...and the reason for that, I think, is obvious. We're not getting MAKAR. We're not getting Quinn HUGHES. And TBH, I can't even really fathom the type of deal I'd need to see to consider moving him...Like for instance, if the Sharks offered us Will SMITH, Sam DICKINSON, a first and either Quinton MUSTY or Fil BYSTEDT? That might get me thinking. But that's the type of deal I'd need to see before I'd even answer the phone. Essentially four first rounders, some of them early-round picks...OR another franchise player. Like Brady TKACHUCK...losing FOX would punch a very sizeable hole in our defense that we couldn't fill any time in the near or distant future.

RF4L - Oh totally. Don't get me wrong. NONE of those guys are really lighting up the AHL...OTTER is probably the closest...and I DO like him a lot...I think Ranger fans are REALLY going to like this kid when he finally makes it...provided its as a Ranger...PERREAULT and LABA are a close second and third respectively...I expect both will be full-timers in the NHL within the year, provided they turn pro...which I do expect...SYKORA is a not-too-distant fourth...I think the first three are 100 percent NHLers. No question about it. And SYKORA I'd say I'm 90 percent certain he'll have an NHL career...And GARAND...I'd say 75 percent. Think at a minimum, he'll be a tweener/good backup. Maybe not a starter...the rest? They're all WAAAAAY below these five. Really a coin toss...but there are good signs out of the freshman class. Like ROOBROECK continues to impress me perhaps the most. He'll probably surpass 30 points and will definitely reach 10 goals as a 20-year-old rookie...expected a bit more out of CHMELAR, TBH, but he, too, is only 21. Same with McCONNELL-BARKER, and he's only 20, and playing a third-line limited role...and then there's EMERY, who has played in all of UND's games as an 18-year-old freshman and is one of the youngest players in the lineup...promising signs...anywho, obviously, there's a long way to go for all of these guys and would turn my opinion on DRURY based on any of them...but the small tip of the hat to him...and it's exceedingly small...is that they're all players who have a game that fans here will really, REALLY like if they develop right and can get into the lineup...no top-end talent, but just the type of players you want on your team.

TD: Agreed on Dreary's tenure so far. And I'll even go as far as seeing it appears that he's done well at the draft table but until some of these kids actually make it to the NHL and do well, that's not a finalized assessment either. For me by far and away his biggest mistake is how badly he undervalues draft capital. I thought Nob for Life was bad - incredibly enough so far, Dreary is worse. He's got an opportunity to attempt to address that but will he? I have no confidence in him. At all.

Rf4l trade both Jones and fox let's get real they both need to go get makar that's a real player. Fox is Mr pussy Mr brains how wonderful.... nothing else ...

Yes but Jari Kakko is really playing well for the Finns.........just sayin'... :)

E. Very true. Now consider their population: $5,400,000. That their a world hockey power is even more impressive AFAIC.

Watching the Finns play USA. I swear you can track back to the 1980 silver medal Finn team. They play the same exact style of game no matter what. Generation after generation. It’s remarkable that a national team is so committed to a single identity for as long as they have.

And along these lines...I gotta say, GORTS built something really, REALLY good...DRURY inherited a turn-key franchise that was on its way to being a perennial contender...he had ***A LOT*** of fantastic assets, a good cap situation and just a ton of good young players...During his last season, the Rangers should've been a contender. They had the pieces there. The ONLY thing they were really missing was a coach...Everything else was locked and loaded. In many ways, it's a crying shame he couldn't finish out his work, because I think he DID have something special...but he just HAD to stay the course with a real loser of a coach, and THAT guy just screwed the pooch all along the way...there wasn't a single contribution QUINN left the Rangers that resonates positively today...Had GORTS fired that fuckhole after the embarrassing loss to the Canes during the COVID Cup, he might actually still be here today...Shit, he had KNOBLAUCH waiting in the wings in Hartford...But he took a wait-and-see attitude...my guess is because of COVID...he should've fired QUINN...he didn't...he should've traded DeANGELO...he didn't...he should've traded GEORGIEV...he didn't...and THAT bought him a pink slip...and unfortunately for us, the reign of Chris DRURY...and the ONLY thing nice I can say about him? And his tenure? Three years of it?...that he's done a good job at the draft table...and...well, that means nothing because he doesn't have any more draft picks. We are three months away from rolling over the odometer on DRURY'S fourth season, and his choices as the draft are the only thing that's preventing it from being an unmitigated disaster.

The reign of a GM can really only be assessed three or four years after his departure...especially with the way teams are tossing out seven and eight year deals these days...Figure that every draft takes at least three years to shake out...so the team you're seeing now is really a hybrid of GORTON's work and DRURY's work...Like for example: LAF, Z, FOX, PANARIN, SHESTERKIN, CUYLLE, KREIDER, MILLER, LINDGREN, SCHNEIDER, JONES, BRODZINSKI, EDSTROM and REMPE...those are all GORTON players...throw in KAKKO and CHYTIL before they were moved...and BERARD, ROBERTSON, and GARAND if they make it...On DRURY's side? TROCHECK, SMITH, CARRICK, VESEY(well he's kind of both), BORGEN, VAAKANAINEN, KALIYEV and now JT MILLER are his additions...So you see there that the team we see now is really still GORTON's...and ...well...DRURY hasn't added to it substantively, outside of TROCHECK and now MILLER...Next year, you'll see a team more closely aligned with what DRURY is molding...Players on the cusp who are of his doing? They include OTHMANN, Brody LAMB, Jaro CHMELAR, SYKORA, LABA, McCONNELL-BARKER, FORTESCUE, Dylan ROOBROECK, PERREAULT and in a couple years, EMERY. With exception to LAMB and PERREAULT, the rest of his picks are of basically two molds: big and physical, and two-way, north-south players...both of which are hallmarks of the USNTDP. PERREAULT was a pick that went about 10 spots lower than he should have, so if you could corner DRURY and ask about him, he'd probably tell you that he had MUSTY or Charlie STRAMEL lined up...Nevertheless, it'll be interesting to see what kind of turnover there is this summer and how adjusts to time washing away what GORTON built.

Rf4l good question....the life tease make the playoffs and that's all....try a few stars and see what happens.. we don't build....this is as close to building as we will ever get

Hey, rumors that Ryan STROME might be available..well, there's the RW for ZFLOAT and Kreids!

We can recoup picks in the summer...not to concerned. Or even Sooner.. Drury fired yet.laviolette fired yet

rf4l - I wrote that based off of tdchi's post regarding USNTDP. I do agree on the "alleged" part.

Well first thing Drury needs to do is stop throwing away assets for rentals. Every time I think of the Copp and Kane deals I see red. That plus the Buch disaster and Kakko. I don’t see this alleged hard nosed team at all. It is about just as much a fantasy as a Drury press conference.

DREW: Allegedly a tough hard working team is Dreary's goal but that's not how I'd describe a lot of this team at this point. Is that what Dreary is saying? Or is this the media speculating based on the acquisition of Miller? Regarding the former, where, if ever, did Dreary actually say such a thing to the media? His soundbites are few and far between.

Many of, if not, all of us are frustrated with Drury and some of the trades he has made seemingly were overpays. As it stands (I know the deadline is still coming) we do not have many high draft picks. However, it does seem that the type of players and team that Drury is trying to build, is one we would be happy with. A tough hard working team. If I may use the term they did "meat and potatoes". It is going to take a bit of time to get there. This isn't a pro or anti Drury post, it just feels like getting to the team Drury visions is going to take some time.

NYStranger - Funny, because the same thought dawned on me. This is by design and, if I were to call it, more of a reflection of the type of player programs are producing fitting the vision of the GM. The Rangers have been a very USNTDP-centric team, at least since GORTON took the helm. You see it up and down the team over the past decade. They're a who's who of US born players. DRURY has really taken it to the next level with who he's targeted in terms of trades/signings...it's very clear that he's looking at that development pipeline...and...as down on DRURY as I've been lately...it's a very smart bet. USA Hockey has been the gold standard for development...the players coming out of that program are hard-nosed, physical and play a system-oriented game...Not to say Hockey Canada doesn't...but I think the Canadian system has/is experiencing a bit of an identity crisis. They kind of blithely stood by why the US program caught up...more or less made excuses about it as the Finnish program took off like a rocket...and now they're getting hard competition from places like Czechia, the Slovaks and even the friggin' Germans...At any rate...the fact Canada hasn't had a medal in the U20s in two consecutive years really hammers this point home...At any rate...Rangers aren't TOTALLY adverse to Canadians. We do have LAF(albeit a no-brainer pick)...and CUYLLE is another big one...GARAND backstopped the last gold medal team...But without a doubt...the Rangers are about as US-centric a team as they come in the NHL.

Until the Nyr actually learn how to develop picks , they are better off going for players and actual prospects. The crap shoot has become too literal as they crap the bed and trade their prospects away mostly because of management. The Nyr are the feeder system for the NHL. If DD drury is another gm for life, he better learn how to at least pick a coach that helps him look good, and understands his main goal is to develop kids in the NHL. The Nyr keep trying to skip steps in becoming a perennial contender. The gm thinks if they don’t win the cup it’s time to retool the next season. The wheels on this bus go round and round in dizzy Deja vu land. They think they can fool the hockey gods and the fans with better luck next year.

Another thing that struck me tonight. For an organization that has had (maybe) Cup aspirations, and certainly was a contender, the lack of any representation on the Canadian All-Star team is telling. The lack of Canadian talent on the NYR, IMO, is a black hole in the team’s hopes. Or fan’s hopes as it were. The Rangers historically have been in love with USA and Swedish players. Nothing wrong with that but you need top end Canadian talent as well. I bet the statistics would support this.

Yeah, sorry, 10 min OT is fine, but I really hate the 3 on 3. I would rather 10 min of 4 on 4 and no shootout. But you know they will never go back to the 4 on 4 because of the excitement level even though it is more a skills competition of keep-away than team hockey. Same reason I don’t like the shoot-out.

sjw. Never gonna happen with Buttplug in charge. 3 point games are all about the illusion of competitive balance. And it's quite brilliant because it works. At the expense of the integrity of the actual sport. Few give a shit about that however.

I duuno, Zbad looked OK in that game for the most part. I was wondering if he was going to be a total dog. Problem is he just doesn’t make a big difference for his team on the offensive side of the game and his D has definitely been weaker the last year to 18 months.

Start the movement fora 10 min 3 on 3 for the NHL .. Marner scores for Canada @ 6:06 of OT for the win ... eliminate the SO, games not decided in 10 mins.. a tie

I dunno, but it looks like Z just made a pretty weak defensive play on the Mark Stone goal? Or maybe I didn’t get a good enough look?

RF4L - At the least OTH, if not dealt, can take the spot of Vesey or AK34 in the top 9

BO 2 goals and 3 points in Pack OT win tonight. He's for sure getting Dreary's attention. And other GMs.

JFC. Agreed!! Been saying he'll fetch a low first and a top prospect. Or should. With Dreary likely the low first is going the other way!!!!

Jfc31 I would keep kreider as a third or liner . Unless they make an offer that can't be refused.

If Drury is serious about trying to win a Cup in the near future, then trading Kreider makes perfect sense! He will get a HAUL from a team with Cup aspirations who needs help on the PP & PK!

TDCHI - I am far from all knowing so I don't know what DRURY and the Rangers are "angling" for after the MILLER deal...I could say what I want to see, but that means nothing....DRURY's next move or two will show it...Is he selling as far up the ladder as LINDGREN and KRIEDER for young player/prospect/picks? or also reshuffling the deck by bringing in other vets at the same time> Or..is he still thinking bout doing major surgery to the core? Or...all of the above?? After this worthless Four Nations CUp, things should be pretty damn interesting between Drury's moves nd games out the ying yang...

I mean, seriously guys. The Rangers could trade X and get Y...but what's the endgame here? Right now, the Rangers aren't even angling for the playoffs. Trade LINDGREN? OK, well what then? They need a player like McDONAGH...who oddly enough, was widely available...but those guys don't grow on trees. What this team needs is a new coach, and I don't think one of them is coming before or even after the deadline. Otherwise? Well, buckle in for the same shithole inconsistency we've been seeing...I remember about 12 years ago, the season came down to the last game against the Flyers and the Rangers lost it at the last second or something to that effect. This seems just like that team, only instead of being a mediocre team with a bad coach, they're a good team with a bad coach.

I'd love me some Jordan GREENWAY, but who are we pulling from the lineup? Where does he fit in? Who would he bounce? I mean, you could probably get the dude for next to nothing. He's been a dud with the Sabres. I guess you could see if the Sabres would do something like SMITTY Jr. for him straight up...but the Rangers ain't doing that. KALIYEV for him? Who knows. All I know is that there are absolutely zero spots open in this lineup, so I'm not really sure what this team does to improve itself on the fly without giving up a lot in return for hoping on a wing and a prayer.

Hospo…Agree on Greenway….Inconsistent at best and not physical near enough to be worth it….

Yeah, anytime anyone is painting for the good old days of Darth Seither, something is terribly wrong in rangeland!!!

SCREW GREENWAY....Doesn't produce...Doesn't stay healthy..Doesn't use his size..Vesey plays a nastier game! That said, a player Greenway'size to play with Remps and Carrick might be nice

What the Rangers paid for Andrew COPP was...WITHOUT A DOUBT...a *****WILD***** overpayment. Absolutely BATSHIT CRAZY overpayment...a young center, a conditional first, a conditional second, AND a fifth for a guy who never had more than 39 points in a season? Anything more than a second was too much. Second and a fifth? Mmmmkay...not terrible...two seconds and a fifth? We're in CLOWE territory...The Rangers paid BARRON, a first(LAMBERT), a second(SALOMONSEN) and a sixth(MILIC) for three months of a center they were never going to be able to resign. The Jets got three fantastic prospects and a banging forward who is now a fixture in their lineup. And there's someone on this board arguing that this WASN'T a bad deal?! LOL. You're fucking sniffing glue.

TD: Yep and it's funny - lots of similar comments on that story. Talk about stroking the Rangers organization. No shame. Nor balls.

RF4L - Anyone calling DRURY's trading record "superb" needs to get in a new line of work, because covering hockey ain't it. Not even gonna look for that story. No need, because both those guys are idiots.

Greenway is a pending UFA. No to him unless you get him to sign an extension as part of the deal.

Rhet- yeah, probably and/or it’s a translation issue. But the “disrespect” is kind of funny. That one where it said that Kaliyev “fires back” at Lavi for benching when he said “I’ll be ready when I get back in” or something like that. Or European headlines are more bombastic?

CoMark... Some of their headlines lately make me wonder if English is not their first language and it's just a bad interpretation?

Greenway would be awesome to have on the team. I've mentioned him to PaRangerfan many times. He has speed, can fight, rough and goes to the net. Move Smith down get rid of Vesey.

Jordan Greenway? https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/new-york-rangers-reportedly-interested-in-acquiring-gritty-forward-from-atlantic-division-team

This is a hilarious headline. Gotta give it to them! https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/team-usa-disrespects-new-york-rangers-veteran-following-latest-4-nations-face-off-announcement

The difference though- SOUCY is a 6-7 defenseman who is having a terrible year. LINDGREN is top 4 having a bad year.

Regarding possible destinations for Lindgren - in direct competition will be Carson Soucy of the Canucks. He's bigger and cheaper (half the cap cost of Lindgren) and already there's rumours all of Florida, Carolina and Calgary are interested. Of course, that doesn't mean Lindgren wouldn't go to a team that fails to land Soucy.

ANDREI: I think if you have a contender and you think your team is poised to win a cup that’s when you see a GM push everything in. Drain the prospects, and the picks. Whatever it takes to get you what you need. By contrast pick management is important but let’s be honest you build thru the draft but it’s such a crap shoot. Nevertheless, it’s really about where your team is developmentally. And yeah, some teams get top picks year after year and they amount to nothing. And yeah Carolina is an example but they pick lower usually. Ottawa has no excuses.

I will say that sometimes winning a cup is pure luck like the Canadian's in the 1990's Jacque martin..they got hit and of course referees

Andrei - I don't deny any of that in your last post..and You know I don't mind going for it when the chance is there..So, I agree with the philosophy often times....it's the execution, or lack of execution, and what DRURY has acquired at the deadlines recently where he has failed..JMWO

rf4L, for the record, most GM's trade multiple 1st's years after years when team is in a "winning" mode. There is probably less GM's that don't do it, and out of those, some are notorious not to do it, detriment of the team. Exhibit A. Carolina, who for years almost never traded it's 1st and what have they won? Real contenders, in 90% of time will trade their 1st for an upgrade. That's a fact.

Who knows what Dolan is telling his people.. we will never know. Amazing that this guy can sing he has talent lololol just not as an owner.

RF4L - certainly not all trades are exactly equal, some are better than others. And, note it is NOT what I would do. I’ve been on the PIT/NJD/CHI cup making train for quite a while - stop with the trading of picks (especially firsts), stop with the old and expensive FA signings, Suck, Draft high, repeat until you Draft a real 1C, Let the kids play and gel together, Win multiple cups. Bing, Bang, Boom. But, regardless of what you or I want or think, the point stands. Almost ALL GMs in PO position do the same damn thing, again and again and again and again - they go for it and trade their 1st. Thems the facts.

Limbo: Perhaps that's true but how many of those teams have traded 2 out of 4 first rounders. And a bunch of second rounders. And traded their first when they're sitting 22nd overall with less than 30 games in the season left? No doubt those numbers would be whittled down drastically. In other words, if you look at things singularly sure, that might be a true number but looking at things wider and I'll bet you'll find the Rangers are an anomaly. Nob for Life went 4 straight years with no firsts and look at what it helped get the organization to: No cup and a rebuild. Dreary is headed down that road and if he doesn't start changing things up, they'll be no turning back.

HOSPO - ok, so you don’t need the stats. Not sure why you even asked about them. On FOX, I never said any player is not ultimately responsible for his play. My point is pretty simple - FOX would be even better without the handicap of the absolute worst first pair partner in the NHL. Just get the guy an average, boring, competent, run of the mill NHL Dman. That alone will elevate FOX, and the entire team. A lefty BORGEN would do wonders. Plus, keep in mind FOX is 8th in dman scoring and probably will be top 10 in the NORRIS. I agree, he’s not been the FOX we have seen and we need. But he is still one of the better Dmen in the league. Remove the anchor already, it’s quite possible he may be the best again.

stevielegs another youtube idiot who says nothing and as usual has no proof either just runs his mouth

Andrei is correct. It is absolutely SOP in the modern NHL for PO teams to trade their firsts. My quick research shows over the past decade, on average, close to 75% of the 16 PO teams do this. It’s 9/16 so far and we didn’t even get to the TDL yet. Makes sense to expect that number to go higher.

Rangers trade plans heading into the trade deadline…. https://youtu.be/3vQuPyYHSJ8?si=cmZrUCpC_DMzHukw

ANdrei - I'll let you and RF4L go at it but the problem with the KANE deal wasn't the cost (you are right) it was who and what they brought in to the rest of the team, the type of game the hobbled KANE played and the imapact it had on the shitty way the rest of the team played the game, especially Panarain..It was a stupid, stupid move that lead to the choke/collapse and was worse than paying a high price..JMWO of course

rf4L, again, what does it mean "outrages overpayment"? What is it based on? Opinion shared among NHL insiders, and you read it where they mentioned that price was too high??? Part of the Copp deal was that 2nd becomes 1st, if Rangers go to the Est Finals and they have. So is it a really "overpayment"?? I really don't get that argument. Every team that does business at the deadline, in terms of upgrades, pays the premium price. Every freakin team. It is not unique to the Rangers. Ff you want a certain player, there is a predetermined price tag. In most cases it's a 1st and B prospect for a top 6 forward, top 4 d-man, or it's a pair of 2nd rounds + a prospect. It could very based on how impactful player is, but in 99% of the time, price is known. Price could go up depending on the bidding. You don't need to like or dislike the price, but that is the price. So no, to contrary believe, Drury did not "overpay" for Copp. Drury paid the going rate. We can discuss on whether trade was good for the Rangers or not, or how impactful it was or not, sure. That's a fair argument. I would argue that without Copp, Rangers wouldn't have maid to the Est. Conference that year, so that's that, but you can disagree. That's fair. But let's not pretend that other teams somehow pay a different price at the deadline and it's just Drury who is dumbfuck, that is constantly getting fucked over deadline deals. Just like we can argue that Kane deal was not needed, and I totally agree there, but to say that Drury just got abused over Kane's deal, is also not true. That was a going rate as well.

JFC - LAFFY deserves the criticism but i don't think he's dogging it on purpose or the money..Like Many other Ranger forwards, I have seen a plyer playing too soft and not focused enough on defense..nd, yes, there is a common denominator!!..AAs an example, the pass few gmes LAFFY was getting lambasted for his shoddy/"lazy" defensive play or backchecking..and it was deserveed....but for each instance there were at least two other players "dogging It" just as badd, Including TRO! I don't even waste my breath on Pnarina and his total disregard for defense and backchecking this year

JFC: I posted something like that recently but focused more on Panarin. Last year he scored at 1.5 points a game pace; this year it's just over 1. He drove that line and still does so how he goes, the line goes. My beef with Laf isn't so much the offense but all too often lollygagging defensively plus the lack of physicality to his game. When your play is lagging in an important aspect of your game, you should be endeavoring to compensate using others. Laf far too often isn't. That he's finally away from Panarin might help. We'll see.

I keep reading here and elsewhere that Lafrenière is dogging it because he got a new, lucrative contract. Lafrenière is on pace for a disappointing 47 points that’s a 17.54% drop. Very disappointing! But…Trochek is on pace for a 28% drop and Panarin is on pace for a 26% drop. And those 3 were linemates last season and most of this one! I The results are connected…both when they were all successful last season and now that they are less successful. Yet, another myth was that Lafvonly did well because of the other two. There seems to be a different standard being applied! No doubt I am disappointed in Lafrenière but his performance doesn’t occur in a vacuum!

Maybe Z will have the opportunity to get his mojo back at First Nations. He was centering the first line and Team Sweden's first practice yesterday (between Rakell and Nylander).

Hospo: You seem to be forgetting the Copp trade. Barron, a 5th, a 2nd and a 1st for several weeks of Copp and a 6th. Ridiculous overpayment. Opposing GMs continually get Dreary to throw in draft picks - clearly it's recognized league wide that if you push Dreary hard enough, he'll cave and either add picks or agree to more valuable ones. To me the top 13 protected first he coughed up to get Miller is the latest example. It's just plain lunacy to agree to a deal when you're team is sitting something like 22nd overall when there's less than 30 games left that allows the scenario of finishing out of the POs and still having no first rounder. Dreary's original position probably was non-PO protected but the Canuck squeezed him and he caved. What a horrid GM he is - he makes me yearn for the return of Nob for Life for chrissake.

RF4L - Yes, all those deadline deals dating back to KANE were all superb...and Look at the Current roster and see all the Trde aquistionss...What a bunch of putzes!!..ANd since STAPLEFACE was first trying to drive LAFFY out of Town and then switched to KAKKAO.of course he would like that deal, the future be damned..as well as the fact that the hohum BORGEN could easily have been available this off season for only money

LIMBO - I don't need stats to tell me that LIINDGREN was playing bad..It was obvious this season after he came back from the facial injury..and I mentioned some reasons why he might have been..But, with my eyes, I also say him play some pretty decent all round games lately..Still, trading him is the smart way to go IFFFFFF executed right and part of larger pln that doesn't fuck IGOR and leave the Rangers with a bunch of Prncers or AHLers..........Where we disagree on FOZ not being accountble for Fox.....just as Kreider, Zbad, Panarina, Laffy, MIller and others are held to those stndrds also.....Oh well..

Here's the quote: "The Rangers may very well add before March 7 — and not simply because ownership has decided the pursuit of a playoff spot is the No. 1 goal of this bumpy season. Drury has not won many free-agency summers and his methods aren’t exactly genteel, but his trading track record is superb, which could mean he’s following on the Miller trade and targeting some players in the next month who aren’t just here for short-term help."

So Stapleface and Braugh post an article today in the Athletic about what they think the Rangers are planning and in there they have the audacity to say that Drury has a superb track record when it comes to trades. My comment FWIW: "Drury has a 'superb track record'? Huh? He's been fleeced in almost every deal he's pulled off, tossing away draft picks like ecstasy at a rave. What a ridiculous thing to say - clearly James Dolans has a tight hold of your gonads...."

The problem with the D in my opinion is man to man coverage, which I think has been mentioned before. Makes no sense to see Lindy, Fox, Miller chasing guys behind the net and out past the circles, to the blueline at times, when forwards like Panarin and Laf don’t drop down to cover for them, never mind the pick plays teams like Canes and Panthers do to disrupt. It’s Lavy as coach I don’t see this changing, stubborn as he is. The D overall has regress, not one of them has been better than last year or the year before, that’s on the coaching and the system.

Hospo - exactly. ‘if we care about it’. Regular season players vs PO players. I don’t feel Dolan and therefore Drury really care about it. Just get fans in the seats and make the POs every year. Panarin, Fox, Zbad accomplish that.

Hospo - RHET provided a link and there are tons of sites with similar advanced stats. They are not the be all end all, but they do back up the eyeball test of the absolute crap play from LINDY for the last few years. No doubt FOX hasn’t been the elite of the elite FOX we’ve known. But I’d be shocked if he wasn’t top 10 for the Norris again…that is still pretty damn good. Get him a decent partner and I’ll bet he’ll be back to top 2 or 3 most years. It makes no sense to me to think that getting him away from that albatross won’t help his play.

Limbo - not sure what stats you are talking bout but I have questioned Lindgren.s durability and plying "smaller" for over a year..And he has not had a good year even if he has styed healthy..And I know he has to go..but, that said...I think he has played some good games recently, especially against CBJ....He is also playing a safer game and that might have been the problme earlier on..My take? the team that trades for him will get a good 2nd-3rd pair d-man for the rest of the year....and DRURY needs to get an approprite return...I also can't blame all of FOx's increased lazy, soft and weak shit on Lindgren..sorry..that's on Fox...nd like Panarina and ZBAD up front..winning the east with the smllish nebesh Fox as your big D maan is a hard chore..if we care about it

VCP - of course he would fetch a lot…he finished 4th for the NORRIS…LAST YEAR. As in, 4th best defenseman…IN THE NHL. I’m not philosophical opposed to trading anyone. But unless you are getting a top 4 C for him, it seems nuts to get rid of the best Dman we’ve had since LEETCH.

Limbo you really think lindgren is killing him huh. I am unsure. I see fox in the ozone and his great vision and calming yes. In the D zone though he seems to be unable to skate his way out under the forecheck when we play better teams. I take makar not even close..hedman as well..heck if miller didn't have his brain farts he is a great skater and superior shot. I guess I am alone in my opinion it's ok . I just don't see the great D game with fox.

Limbo fox relies on smarts . He is slow and soft . I still fell he could fetch quite a bit. His D isnt so great he is too small and slow when he gets pressured in the D zone he cant skate his way out. I just dont see the greatness besides his O zone play. poor skaters dont age well.

VCP - lol. FOX is at worst a top 10 Dman, at best a top 4. After his rookie year, he finished 1, 5, 2, 4 for the NORRIS. Just give the guy a break and get him with an AVG partner already.

Hospo - it’s all good man. It gives me absolutely no joy to agree with RHET’s and other stats and to say that LINDY’s play has completely fallen of a cliff the past few years. He is a true Ranger and a true warrior. He gave it his all. He just has nothing left. And subsequently, his play has been actively hurting the team for way too long. It’s more than time to pull the plug.

LIMBO - Sorry, that was dickish! I jsut think Fox deserves some blame also..! And I will be sad to see LINDGREN go even if I know it's the move to make (but in concert with other moves)

Yeah, Lets blame Somebody else for the lazy, pansy ass way, and slow to boot, that FOX has too often has played over the lst year--while other guys get crucified.....Guy has the smarts and decision making for sure...as good as anybody there...but it takes more than that in the physical East..All that said, I would love a BIG physical tough #2 D-man to play with him AND protect IGOR...

The Rangers currently have 2 picks in the top 2 rounds of the next 3 drafts in total. Utterly ridiculous.

RHET, any avg D partner would be a huge upgrade for FOX. Out of all the crap things that this org has done, putting an absolute anchor around our NORRIS winner is by far the most egregious. Why this hasn’t been addressed by now is a crime. A crime against hockey, lol.

Rhetoric... maybe it's fox who is the bad one . Fox can't skate or hit or stop anything besides positioning and stick check...

In regard to LINDGREN: He is having the worst season of his entire career. He currently has a -3.2 Defensive rating. He is currently ranked the 17th worst defenseman in the entire NHL. While his teammates have gotten better, he has stayed just as shitty as he's been the entire season. He's an addition by subtraction at this point. Move him while someone will still give us something for him. Adam Fox is a plus +2.2 this season. Imagine how much better he could be doing if he had even a decent partner. Something to consider..... https://www.hockeystatcards.com/skater?id=8479324

And let's remember, just becasue many of us on here are already forsaking this season that doesn't mean DRURY and the Rangers have..

Bottom line on Lindgren is you can't let him walk this summer if you believe there's no Der PO run forthcoming. This is especially so because of all the flitted away draft capital.

The Rangers would be MORONS if they dealt LINDGREN without bringing a physical D-man in to play top six....If you don't, you have the damn tip toeing pussy brigade of Fox, Vaakanien, Jones and/or Brannstrom trying to protect Your goalie, Your meal ticket for the next 5 years at a time when everything gets intense.... it would be idoitic.....And I don;'t want to hear anything about never will be garbage/trash/scum like Mackey, Roberttson or Scanlin......None of this means I am against trading LINDGREN...he's a goner and will not be resigned but he has played well the last few games and should bring a decent return..That said you can't leave Your team and Your Goalie fucked in the process...

SCHNEIDER, FOX and BORGEN: RHS. Everyone else: LHS. I mean, what in the fuck sense would it make to trade a top-four defenseman for a top-four defenseman? Does that even happen?

vcp1994, if Lindgren is traded, maybe a d-man is in a trade coming back, or Schneider might get a short bump up. Will see. It might also give Jones a room in the lineup.

LINDGREN is a lefty and has played on the left side his whole career...most of it with Adam FOX on his right. If the Rangers ARE trading him, as I mentioned, here are the options...because certainly, a team is not dealing us another Ryan LINDGREN back. Option 1: Promote VAAKANAINEN to match with FOX and JONES to match with SCHNEIDER. 2: Bank on someone from Hartford to fill in that gap(SCANLIN, MACKEY, BRANNSTOM and ROBERTSON are your options)...Like, I don't know where the mythical better-than-LINDGREN defenseman is coming from...Or is that the Rangers' idea? Just kick defense to the curb altogether?

vcp1994, why would Mancini be a Lindgren replacement? At best, and it's a huge stretch, Mancini has a second pair potential. But it will take him another 2-3 years to reach, if ever. How would you slide him to the 1st pair on a contending team, based on his 10 NHL games? My bet is on a UFA pickup. Who knows, maybe Chychrun hits UFA, and that's someone I could see Rangers targeting.

Hospo, I think there will be plenty of options come UFA market. Personally, not a fan of Frederic.

Andrei I meant that I thought mancini would possibly replace Lindgren...Mancini is gone so if Lindgren goes who would fill in we have no one in Wolfpack.

rf4L, something tells me that Miller is not going to be traded. Not sure where you get that rumor, but if anything, my bet is on Miller being re-signed on a 5-6 year deal.

Rhet, saw that as well. Not sure if there any truth to it, but it makes sense. There no future for Lindgren in NYR organization. Writing is on wall. Lindgren is gone either in a trade or he he walks as an UFA. My bet is on trade, and Rangers should get a good return. He might be the highest ranking RD on a market, so there should be plenty of interest.

vcp1994, don't get your point. Replace Mancini, why? Why is there a need to replace a prospect?

The rumor du jour going around is that Lindgren is likely to be gone before the team comes back from the break. Fingers crossed.

To be clear, I was being tongue in cheek. The Bruins aren't trading us Frederic.

Honestly, right now, for this year, I think CARRICK is a better all around player than FREDERIC..The future is another story! Why he should be a target in UFA and not now

I would do Frederic for cash and think about Othmann, Frederic. And Cuyle. Lots of entertaining shifts with genuine scoring threats

MSG sent me an email about a dog show which I thought was for tickets to a Nyr game.

I'm sure a lot of things can happen between now and the TD...but for the Bruins...themselves in a desperate push for the playoffs...and competing WITH the New York Rangers? There's exactly a zero percent chance they trade FREDERIC to them for anything short of a landslide deal in their favor...which for MILLER might be close to that mark...but not quite. I mean, I guess stranger things have happened? But again...trading MILLER would be like blowing a giant hole in the defense. I guess if the thinking is MILLER won't be reupped for what he's asking and LINDGREN will...and that you're confident VAAKANAINEN could handle some of KEY's minutes...or JONES maybe...and that at least one of SCANLIN or ROBERTSON is ready to make the jump in a pinch...BRANNSTROM'S there too. But he's not a guy I could see throwing into the top six for anything but a short period. And then there's MACKEY...FREDERIC I see as an off-season target...and a good one...I just don't see it happening at the deadline.

TDCHI - Unfortunately, that just doesn't pertain to just hockey it's all sports now where the "analysts" and "commentators" make themselves the story, fight each other for tag lines and outrageous takes but, I'm sorry, the younger gens eat it up...All about Shock and Bore! And Bizz Douche isn't even the worst..That's bad...At least that guys can have his good moments liek protecing peole in a restaurant and this weekend talking about the staggering costs in youth hockey in CANADA (US also) squeezing everybody out but the rich kids...Why I don't give a crap about the USNDP or the young US teams in international hockey

re: NHL viewership being down...well let's start with the fact that their broadcasts are horrific. Like just a total shitshow. The knowledgeably guys they have on the broadcasts get overshadowed by the "edgy" banter tossed out by Bizzdouchebag and Slewban. Like do something other than talk about how stupid everyone looks. Or better yet? Do what MSG does and do a roundabout around the NHL and hockey. Like I actually tune into the MSG 150, because it's great...then the broadcasts themselves are just so ridiculous...Like they do this stupid 'sound of the game' thing periodically where they just stop commentating for five minutes...and that's fine and all...often it's better that way...but the way they do it sure makes it seem like they're having technical difficulties...also, the camera angles they decide to use at times literally takes you out of the action and you're staring at an angle that shows nothing as the entire arena is erupting. It would be literally hard to imagine a way to do a worse job than TNT/ESPN.

No rentals good thinking need to build we aren't close yet..need another coach first...need a new President but will settle for a new coach

I like Zegras a lot as a player, but I would not trade for him unless it is Zibenajad going the other way. No way I trade him for Miller. I would not trade Miller for Fredrick either. Just MHO though.

K'Andre MIller for Trevor Zegras? No thank you. I like him but he would be NYR fans next punching bag. I would do Trent Frederic for Miller, but not Zegras.

Rhet: I certainly hope you're right on the no rentals. I don't see how the Rangers could afford that anyways unless they're willing to have no picks and no prospects...

Hospo: No trade freeze but for sure Buttplug has made it clear to the owners that a bunch of trades during the 4 nations would risk deflecting attention away from the tourney, something the league doesn't want.

In regard to Adam Edstrom and LTIR: The NYR will currently have $10,332,795 at the trade deadline. We've never had that much money at the trade deadline before(we had approx. $7 million at the 2023 deadline--the year we had to get creative to land P. Kane). Edstrom is currently on IR. They can always place him on LTIR retroactively if they need to. Remember, LTIR doesn't add to your cap space, it allows you to exceed the cap by that players salary(potentially). I can't imagine how we'd ever need to use it. Also: The rumors are that we're not doing rentals this year and only adding the right players to the team for now and with term. IE. Whomever we add, they'd also likely have to find in future caps as well. JMO, of course.

OH..and can they make deal during this break or is there a trade freeze like over the holidays?

RF4L - ZEGRAS for MILLER..What a freaking joke..Juat wat the Rangers need..a 1 dimensional soft as shit legend in his own mind who just happens to have the worst +/- on the DUCKS..yeah, he's the type of PUNK the Rangers need.....I wouldn't even trade WIll BORGEN for him....MILLER is in an entire different ball park....Right nowm the best all around D-man the Rangers have..and getting better....Not to mention that the Rangers after they deal Lindgren and JOnes (after MANCINI)are so woefully thin wwith nobody in the organization except for Jesus Jilsson Fortescu

ZEGRAS for MILLER...1-for-1? See, this just cruel..because the type of player ZEGRAS is? I can't even begin to speak on how good of a deal that would be for the Rangers...but for this team? Now? It isn't. It would leave a crater on the left side that they'd have to plug with some combination of JONES or someone from Hartford. I guess that would also assume they resign LINDGREN for the long-haul...but the forward lines is where shit would get really weird. Like where do you put him? He's not a third-line center. He really needs top line minutes and really at center. I guess you scratch VESEY and get him with PANARIN and MILLER? Or KALIYEV and on third line with KREIDER and Z? Anyway, it WOULD be a good deal...because the Ducks ARE going to trade this kid and whatever team he joins will give him the fresh start he needs...I could see this kid being a 80-90 point player on a good team. I just don't know if the Rangers right now constitute a good team, per se...

Chytil in 4 Canucks games has a goal, 3 points, -1 and averaging over 18 minutes of icetime/game. He's no doubt enjoying himself.

The problem with sending a waiver-exempt player to Hartford is that you're really screwing that guy in terms of money. I'm fairly certain those guys take a hit to their salaries if they get demoted. Might not be the same if they were assigned on conditioning...but full demotion to the AHL, they'd be losing something like a grand a day. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Drury is a chubby little incompetent a$$hole with a an egocentric style of management that is utterly flawed and destined for failure year after year. Dolan — maintaining this leadership group is a derelict of your duty as an owner. Doesn’t that phrase ring a bell you silver spooned POS? As NIN would say, this team’s future is on a downward spiral. That’s is all

RF4L - Hey, they can't lose this week, so think on the sunny side for a little while.:)

Yes the Rangers are the early winner in that Miller trade but for me the door doesn't close on that decision until we know how the player selected with the first rounder Dreary coughed up develops. Obviously, that's years away from deciding. Also need to factor in Miller's age. He'll be 32 shortly; what if his abilities hit a decline with seen with Zbad as in the 26/27 season, if not next year? I realize currently there's no indication of that occurring but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities. That's always the case with players in their early 30s. This was a win now move, now being this year (ha!) and/or next.

“Even after earning a 4-3 win over the Blue Jackets at Nationwide Arena, the Blueshirts still lost four of their last seven games and, as a result, certainly will have their work cut out for them in a 27-game sprint to the regular-season finish line when they return from the near two-week pause. ..“There’s a real possibility the reigning Presidents’ Trophy winners don’t make the playoffs. That’s something to think about for two weeks. ”

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/report-nhl-viewership-in-the-u-s-is-way-way-waaaaaaay-down

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/scouts-from-16-nhl-teams-spotted-at-a-single-game

Hospo 19/28 ouch that sucks...still who cares about Nashville besides country music lololol. There is always someone who is doing worse.

Amazing that there are NINE teams in the East within 7 points of each other for that last tow WC slots..Only BUFF out of it....All the sellers are out West, wondering how intently the Raangers have been scouting them..We think it's bad in NY..look at what happend in NASH after signing Marchessault and Stamkos and Skjei to huge contracts..but they do have alot of Cap space!

Bob only reason why dreary won the cannuck deal this time was due to JT wanting to come here. Otherwise fleecing time as usual..

Agreed RF4L. Drury knows full well what Gorton and JD got fired and has to make it look like he is going for it. Unfortunately, he chose the wrong additions to a core that did not have what was necessary to go all the way, while overpaying for them. He has accurately judged that the core was not sufficient and has gone out to change that. He got the better of the JT Miller deal. Unusual for him to win a trade. I think Borgen is OK but Kakko was an overpay for him. He has to replace Lindgren and I hope he replaces Vaakaneinen. If they tank he could get some picks back if he can move the right player.

Hospo when I am pissed I tend to repeat myself. Almost daring Drury to do more. I don't trust him. if we play Florida OMG. Caps is not a good matchup just stating the facts but they play the games for a reason.i don't see this coach pulling anything out of his hat

I could swear that I read that Edstrom was put on LTIR. I think that unless the Rangers tank the first two weeks after the break, they are gonna add not subtract. I do agree that they need to rebuild some draft capital that they frittered away. But by the same token, the right player or two could make a significant difference for them now. As long as the coach can talk them into actually backchecking and playing 200 feet which too many of them do not do right now.

Without a doubt Dreary should use all that cap space to help facilitate a deal or 2. The Rangers desperately need to recoup as much flitted away draft capital as possible.

VCP - You keep saying that every day and I basically agree but, you know what, I want to see them in the POs and have that chance!!!.........Just like I want to see the rest of the games,...And after the break, the NHL schedule is CRAZY!!!..Rangers have like 27 GAMES in 54 DAYS...No way in hell DRURY doesn't bring in somebody to help in that march (JMWO)..And damn, the Wall will go Bonkers also!!!

Even if we get in we are done in the first round.....our top 4 with fox and Lindgren isn't impressive....neither is our bottom 6...neither is ZBAD, panarin, kreider lolol.

Wildcard i wonder how laviolett is viewed as a coach for non vets lololol. Heck even vets lolol

Ref24: I am betting a lot of teams will talk but not pull the trigger until later in the break. Then every team plays a couple games right before the deadline, so I imagine some GMs (Like Drury) may be seeing how their team comes out of the break. Let's say the Rangers come out and rip off 3 wins in a row before the deadline and end up in a playoff spot. I think that would negate any idea of selling. But that then might push Lou over on the Island into selling if say they come out and lost 2 of their 3 including to the Rangers. Right now, both teams feel like they are close and can make the jump into a playoff spot. But after those first 3 or 4 games back teams might feel like the time to act is there. Or maybe its 5 games or 6 games, whatever it takes for the standings to shake out a bit more...and I think they will.

Another curiosity. With Edstrom likely done for the season, or very close to the end of the season, they can add him to LTIR and extend their available cap space. And if he comes back earlier, they can send him to the AHL, he is exempt waivers and let him get back up to game speed there and then recall him when the cap isn't a concern anymore if they make the post season. That would give them just a tick under 16 million in cap space for the deadline. I highly doubt they will add that much in rentals. THats a ton of cap space. So that begs the question. Will they try to help facilitate other trades? They have all 3 of their retention spots available. That means they could take on cap for another team for 3 players. I would only do it if it was a guy on his last year of a deal, but they could take on 3 guys at 2 mil each and still have 10 mil or so for rentals if they so choose. And if they feel they are out of it they could take on even more and create even more by moving guys out...and eat up parts of much bigger deals and get some assets in return. I know those would be at best 3rd round picks most likely. But still. There is an asset in that cap space. I don't know how hard it is to get involved in those deals, and I doubt a team want sot help a divisional team get a deal done, so for Drury it would likely be to assist west conference teams and that would limit the chances of jumping in.

I am curious if the Rangers asked any of the waiver exempt players if they want to go to Hartford. Edstrom would have been one but is injured. But Cuylle and Rempe are exempt...would it be better for them to play or rest? I also wonder if they asked Jones if he wanted to a conditioning assignment. 2 weeks is the break, and the length of a conditioning assignment. Not sure the rules for those exactly though, but if they can get away with it, that could be good for him to get some ice time. I did read that players sent down don't have to report. It's a break for NHL players so if they were in the NHL for a certain amount of time prior, they get the break. Not sure if I fully understand how that could work, but that's what I saw in an article. So, from what I gather a player could agree to play in the AHL if they chose to.

Hospo: I think we really need to keep Chytil in a category of his own. This is just based on his injury history. VAN took a MAJOR risk in taking him in trade. And his value was very very low. Talking to someone I know who works in the front office of an NHL team, the trade raised eyebrows in some ways. First, they saw that Miller had forced VANs hand, because other teams were willing to give up more if JT was willing to go to them. Clearly, he didn't. Second that Chytil was the NHL player who went the other way. And third that it was just one high pick and there was protection in the pick. I know among NYR fans they want to blow things apart as bad, but for at least one team and the folks they know from others, the Rangers won the trade. Another thing, a lot hinges on Mancini. He is seen by others as a bottom pair guy who might get the upside if everything goes well to be a 4th D. But back to the main point of this post. Chytil. The reason the person I talked to and those he knows and works with were surprised it was Chytil, is that everyone sees the injury concerns. Not to say they don't see the skill and level of play he can bring when healthy, but basically the consensus in their office is that if he hit the market alone, and they could still use games played conditions, that he would fetch a 4th rounder with a condition of become a 2nd rounder if he played 75% of the games over two seasons and 50% of any playoff games, so in today's world without being abler to use them, it would be a 3rd rounder. If that valuation of Chytil (like it or not it may be the case) then the Rangers got JT for a conditionally protected 1st, a player with a 3rd rounder value, and a 3rd pair D. Looking at it from a purely business and valuation point of view, it was a hell of a trade by Drury. Now If Mancini becomes a second pair guy, and Chytil ditches the injury bug...well the calculous changes, and it means multiple teams were wrong in their evaluations.

LIMBO - Who Konws what would have happened? all we know is what happened..and I am with you on the disappointment.....From the big three of CHYTL, KAKKAO and LAFFY..we are down to only LAFFY with an aged MILLER (who I like, but he is still 31) and a 3rd pair D-man (arguable, I know, bi that's another thread) who was gonna be a FA no matter where he was and was gonna be avaialble for NOTHING not KAKKAO!!!!!!!!!.......Oh well, we can only watch and see what DRURY does to the future of this team..

NYStranger only under bob gutkowski did they really want to win the cup. his book is a great read . amazingly neil smith was more guilty than keenan per gutkowski. i would take neil smith and keenan back though any time over these morons. Yes smith had his warts did keenan but these guys OMG

Part of the problem is the org always does things in half measures. Re-tool, not re-build, never sellers when they need to be, quickly abandoning any long term goals to make short term runs to the POs. Poor development at all levels, total reliance on vet players most of which come over by big UFA signings/contracts. The known quantity that there will always be fans willing to shell out the big bucks to sell out the Garden every game. You name it. There is no incentive for the organization to do what it takes to win A Cup never mind multiple Cups. Getting to the POs to play a round or two is all that matters to Dolan. Will never change until he decides to sell. I question my own sanity at being a fan of this team when I name pretty darn sure I am right on this.

HOSPO, all my opinion. But, I do believe too much nonsense happened and he was leaving regardless. Especially if he was kept on the 3rd line and no PP time. Auto gonzo. But, even if they gave him what he really wanted all along and put his ass on RW1 and gave him PP1, I still think he leaves. I just feel too little too late and he was totally soured here through years and years of bad play, bad management, bad development, bad communication. I think he was just done with it all. His play, his statements to press, everything was pointing to that direction. I wish none of this was so. To say I am disappointed is an extreme understatement. Winning that lottery was the first lucky thing that has happened to this franchise since MATTEAU! MATTEAU! MATTEAU! I loved getting that goofy kid. We all wanted something we’ve never ever had, a home grown drafted offensive stud forward. Just brutal that we are still waiting.

Jerry_garcia very appropriate nick name. This organization blows why we root for them is beyond me...still better than the leafs I guess

With the FRBL being the coach on the NY Rangers, what young prospect would ever want to play for the Ranger? Why have 1st round draft pics with the FRBL as coach?

LIMBO - Maybe, but thaat wasn't sealed until this year..Despite the history, Do yo think if KK continued to play with CHYTL and CUYLLE all year and had a great year with great linemates, he would be rushing to fly through the door? I don't but we will never know..Laviolette and Drury saw to that...But, i think we at least agree is that it's all moot now!

The KK saga is so Rashomon. I don’t have a huge issue with anyone’s viewpoints. At a certain angle, they are all valid. I am very disappointed, on many levels about the KK saga. I still use the guys’s name to lookup anything on hockeydb, lol. But there is a bottom line here - the guy was NOT signing long term with us. Maybe his first few years. Maybe. But no NHL club does that. Every club likes the cheap young talent. It has been more than apparent for YEARS he was gone when UFA hit. He complained to the press constantly. Probably internally too. HE WAS GONE. Sad, yes. But over the last few years, IMO, it became as clear as day, that it was most likely inevitable. HE WAS GONE.

The Fat-Rat-Basted Lav (FRBL) will stay until end of season. He will trade whoever to keep his job, regardless of what it does to Rangers down the road. Like a rouge administration the Rangers management could care less about the fans. The Craps canned FRBL for a reason, he has no ability to coach young players. Hey Drury why pick FRBL to coach a rebuild. It's called a waist of young talent.

Only 4 teams have won the presidents trophy and the next season didn’t make the playoffs. The Nyr are working on doing it for a second time.

VTRanger - Yep, Kakkao was Laviolette's red headed step kid whipping boy...He was pissed away by Laviolette and sold low by Drury..Laurel and Hardy at their finest!!

And I guess it is all moot.....After last night DRURY, if he had any, has zero reason to fire Lard Ass..He is here until the end of the season....The only thing that matters is what DRURY does the next month...Does he Sell the likes of Lindgren, Kreider, Vesey, Vakainene, Jones or does he keep most and add/buy another vet forward for the PO run???.C or W depends on how Fat Country deploys MIller and ZBAD.... as centers s he should or keeping Miller on the RW?

You want an example of inconsistency and sending mixed messages to young players? Lavy scratches Kakko for no apparent reason while nothing happens to Laffy after he fails to backcheck on two goals against. Most coaches would have stapled Laffy to the bench for the third period last night.

What is DD drury seeing and thinking about the coach he hand picked? Where’s the famous 1-3-1 ? He just keeps pushing speed and offense hoping to outscore the opponents constantly depending on his goalies to stand on their heads. It’s become obvious to most fans. I can just imagine what the players are thinking. DD should be firing him tomorrow but he won’t. They are the damage twins who know better. Where’s the proof?

NEWFIE - I agree with You up until this year..The Kakkao I saw with Cuylle and CHYTLE THIS SEASON was a complete two way player until the end when Fat Bastard was fucking with everything to sooth the vets and KK had 2 bad games..He was finished after that as he, unlike many plyers on the team, had a very short leash by Fat Country..KAKKAO was pissed way....Doesn't really matter, this is a VET Team at forwr once again

Hospo...maybe but for gene to say "he made every line better that he played on " is so wrong. Actually the only time he looked good enough to me was when he did play on some sort of "kid" line. I remember that line with Chytil and laffy in the po's was very good.But I still stand by my guns that over all he was given plenty of other opportunites with other line mates and just did not produce. (for a 2nd overall) Actually my biggest problem with him was not going or even attempting to go to the dirty areas to score....namely the slot and in front of the net.

Genecarr good points all around. These joker coaches of the Rangers coach period by period game by game to try to win at all costs- long view be damned. It is not a sustainable way of doing things and leads to what we are witnessing. This is how you coach games in the POs when you are facing must win circumstances NOT for the long haul of the regular season. It would be like in baseball going to a 4 man or 3 man rotation all season long because “our best pitchers give us the best chance to win” type of mentality. It doesn’t work. When you only use about 8 players to CYA night in night out it also is not going to work. Yes, the players should play with more pride and do the things that any of us fans can see needs to be done but ultimately the coach needs to lead the way and make them do it. I can only assume what we see is either by design or sheer incompetence.

Newfie - I think GENE is describing the KAKKAO that emerged this year when playing with CHYTL and CUYLLE and that i was seeing before he became an excuse nd whipping post for the Fat Bastard and his issues with the apathetic Core

It's amzing Lard Ass didn't say the same things about Cuylle and his team after the Pittsburg game..And the Beat writers lap his incompetence up

gene_carr....you make a couple of good points there "team" wise but you are describing Jari Kakko as a much different player than what I saw over his stint with us. just my opinion , of course :)

The problem with the team we are watching is structure and motivation. " I offer for your consideration" the case of Kappo. He was not scoring at a level that was anticipated, but he was very defensively sound and made every line he played on better. For the majority of us on the Wall we saw a good player with the potential to be a VERY good player .What message did this send to the team when he was shipped out? Defense is not a priority for this coach. He wants offense from everyone. And, that message has been received. The purpose of a system is what it does, not what it says it does. The lack of back checking, hanging out at the blue line, stick checks that may lead to a counter rush, are encouraged by the guidance the boys are given. These are talented players and they are confused and are being pulled in all directions. Who is my line mate today does not produce the muscle memory for a coordinated effort. Unbalanced line usage leads to players trying to do too much in their limited time. We know that this team is not a Stanley Cup contender but it is sure better that what we are witnessing. This is painful to watch for the long term follower and Ranger fanatic.

The Rangers as of today sit 19th overall 2 points out of seeing their 1st rounder transferred to Shitsburgh. It's gonna happen folks: No POs and no first rounder. It's Dreary's way to expedite another rebuild.

From the genius of development for young players, alias DD drury’s trade fodder…. “I think it’s really good [for his development],” Laviolette said of the increased role Cuylle has seen this season. “He’s stepping up like that inside of a game that we need to win after a game like [Friday night against the Penguins], I thought it was real important.…. How’s kaapo mr chypil and laffy developing? If most of the youngsters were photos the pictures would be underdeveloped….the coach should go for X-rays ….he hasn’t corrected the defensive nightmare all season with his crack assistant houseless. Guess 5 don’t fit in their pictures.

Molly wants a cracker…the old lardass gets the credit if they win and the players get the blame when they lose…. MSG spin zone….. my conclusion if her premise is true, is that he has been screwing up the lines for the losses.... https://nypost.com/2025/02/09/sports/peter-laviolettes-lineup-changes-lead-to-rangers-win/

RF - yep! She made 2 social engagements on the same days as the last 2 games. Thursday worked out fine since the Rangers sucked, but this one put me over the edge! We’re in each other’s dog houses now! LOL!

How is it possible, with virtually all the same players as last year - (the team that drove me crazy but I loved). That I now hate this team. Even when they pull out a win (on a game they shouldve won easily) I hate them. I like Trocheck. I have to admit I do like Zbad, but he really is sucking lately. Im still in Igor's corner. The rest but me. The coach, the GM, the owner, Im even starting to yell at Sam 'oh shut up', and it's his last year. Arggghhh

Didn’t get the see the game again tonight…wife is in the dog house with her social butterfly bullshit but that’s a tale for another time. I saw the lineup before the game started and had hope for that Cuylle-Trochek-Lafrenière line…close to the Cuylle-Miller-Laf line I wanted….and it seems to have worked out well! I saw the highlights and was very impressed with how AK34 used his body to bull his way in…he shed that defenseman like water off of a duck’s back! I have some hope that he’s gonna develop into a nice player for us if he can keep using his size like that…he is a BIG, solid kid! Rangers are gonna be Team Tease for the rest of the way. I still don’t think Drury should do anything with sole purpose being to get us to the POs. Do not waste assets unless it’s a player who will STAY on this team….NO RENTALS! Let the rest of the season determine who stays and who goes….including the coaching staff!

Trade fox now ... To slow and soft only has brains.. not enough... probably get a decent return...we need .. maybe for trouba lolololol . At least he hits .

Want a chuckle.. Tony D scored 2 goals on his own net ... now the first was deflected.. can happen to anyone.. the second.. he shot the puck into his own net.. the Wild cast commented.. always looking for D that can finish.. LOL

LAFFY, FOX, and PANARINA And Vakaninen need to get with the progrms..Even ZFLAOT is playing more involved..Kreider with mre speed and AK34 shoots and shoots!..Shame EDSTROM got hurt,,,takes way from the 4th line..

Laffy has been horrible since he signed his contract..a few folks here and there but otherwise taking his money and saying who the fuck cares .. horrible especially in D zone

I just re-watched Cuylle's goals and Laffy did next to nothing on the first one. Cuylle used his own defender as a screen on the goalie. Laffy ended up being pushed off to the left side. The kid really needs a swift kick in the @ss. Maybe Cuyllee rubs off on him in a good way?

CUYLEE the last 15 games or so was hard for me to wtach with who Lard Ass was pairing him with and the way his linemates were playing the gaame..It was finlly enjoyable Cuylle style hockey again tonight!!!

NEWFIE/CM - BOGRE does play a simple phyiscal game like Girarid....and that is needed but I also thinks he gets caught out of position in the D-zone little too much..we'll see

The goals against were frustrating because it was just lazy, stick checking bad play all around. Guys waving their magic wands and chanting Harry Potter spells! But they played a strong third. Cuylls is a stud.

Damn you Cullyle. Just perpetuating the inevitable. I truly hate rooting against my team, but I root for the logo/team, and continuing a few wins here and there will support DD and fatasses agenda to shoot for a playoff spot which they’ll fall short of. The incompetence of this management team is second to none

CM - Me too!!..but, as Mick says, You Can't Always Get What You Want, You Get What You Need!....Well, we need more (a C-W would be nnice) if DRURY wants to make the POs...But, I'll leave that up to MF!!

Need- agreed on Borgen! He is a mean,nasty guy we haven’t had in a while, since Trouba was Trouba!

I still want Cuylle-Miller- Laffy, but hard to argue with the Tro-Cuylle combo. Just hope Laff does some soul searching this break.

A good night all around for me...the Leafs lost in Van and according to the game report Chytil had a very good game.

...and not because he scored the game winning goal,but Cuylle had quite the game. Totally engaged and invested the whole night. That can be a very good line,if Laffy would get his head out of his arse ! And I would also like to tip my hat to the scout who suggested Bergen. He is just what the Dr ordered on D for us. JMHO

PJ - yeah, that was an abomination last night and could be the points tht keep them out of the POs..but THEY (most of them) CAME BACK tonight

CUYLLE, to succed kinda needs at least one player with him that plays with some speed/physicality/balls...That was TRO tonight..Maybe LAFFY can catch it also?

Yes you called it Rhet….Nice rebound by that line to give us the win….Big win and not to be negative but how did we f’ing lose last night….Damn…

Tried hard and worked harder than comumbus. Not jecessarily smartwe. Laffy and bread sucked.

It's obvious you can't go the rest of the season with VESEY or BRODZ in the TOP 9....WHO does DRRURY get....if FAT BASTARD sticks with MILLER_ZBAD-TRO down the middle???

After a deserved loss.. a deserved win .,.. On balance Rangers were the better team

Haven't said it often lately but, THEY EARNED that victory!!..well..everybody but the first line!

CUYLLE!!!..Man,,CUYLLE jumped all over that one!!! Good forecheck by TRO--see..it works!

I told you CUYLLEE looked like he was ready to break out.... Great Defensive play by Tro there too.

or CUYLLE who seems to have some confidence back..Hell, i'll even take it from ZBAD!

When we're in the O zone, one of the D will usually jump in on the play(reasons)... what that means when there is a quick transition the other way, is that the center has to get back play D in the D-zone to compensate. That's why you'll often see Z cheating to the blue line when he plays center... Vaakanainen was slowed down against the wall in the former O-zone by a BJ when he was trying to get back... nothing got called.

OLIVIER double shifted last period and provide a big Line with Kuraly and ZAR that can plqy in games like this and the POs...Outplaying the Rangers top line for sure

Their minds were also on vacation last night. Big vacation coming up starting tomorrow. Then another long vacation in May. Then, we watch Pittsburgh use our first rounder.

Do we get a hatrick of total team break down Goals? Maybe this period it's MILLER that gets caught up ice which leads to a CBJ goal..But, to be fair, unlike the usual from Fox and Vaakainen, MILLER usually busts his ass to get back

Hospo, lol, Newf- I’ll gladly team up with you in bringing some hard-nose Maritime hockey sensibility to these knuckleheads!

Kid- that’s my point, both of them stole games last year. This year Shesty has been underwhelming and Quick average. Add this to the lack of structure, lazy play, poor defense, and low shooting percentage and it’s no wonder this team sucks!

Hospo...thanks for the vote of confidence...LOL Hey Colorado, whattaya think ? we can't do any worse. And just think of the vast knowledge here on the Wall we could tap into . :)

Kis they stole games all last season and the first dozen wins this year. It is just not sustainable.

We need to shorten the bench in the 3rd. Laffy is not back checking at all and it's killing me.

CM but do the goalies ever steal a game. I think both have a save perce rage below 850. Like wtf

CMark - The last wo goals...the D man , 1st Vakaninen then Fox, get caught up ice and don't bust their ass to come back..And a forward is left playing D n out of position.and the ohter forwards float back..It's not one player..it's all of them.....And Im'm seriosu Colorado Mark, You and Newfie need to coach these bunch of schmoes...

When everybody is playing bad it is not the only the players. These bums are definitely a group of bad seeds but the clueless coach has totally left them rudderless. There is no motivation to play for this clown. And maybe Drury too.

Hospo….Agreed…..Vaak was handed a top six spot on D and he has never been good….He was expendable..

This team is infuriating. They will not defend and they don’t backcheck. If our goalies aren’t on we have no chance. Lavi needs to go.

Huh, Michelletti criticizes the Rangers for not back checking twice in one game? Is this some kind of directive sent down from above to help script the narrative which leads to firing Lardiolette or move trades? You know us fragile fans could never understand it otherwise!

They had tied it and taken the game over and then lazy ass play and they are down again..

Quick could have done better there as well…But backchecking was non existent..

Honestly, the top 2 lines are scaring me a bit right now. JTM is way too quiet. Wreck somebody!

Olivier is very impressive. Imagine going into the playoffs with Olivier, Rempe, Cuylle,Borgen, JT and Carrick! Now get rid of 10,20. 93 with anyone that will try and play with pride

NV94 you mentioned it and Nosendick also just mentioned his pending RFA status. Maybe that is tampering too?! LOL

Why would Olivier want to come to NY only to play 4 mins a night? 3 coaches in a row who do the same crap. I don’t have much faith in Drury to pick a coach who would be any different.

GREAT decision making by Fox there. Z's shot is still effective as long as you don't telegraph it and let the goalie get set.

PJ - yep, REMPS busts his ass every shift and trying to avoid the targetting of the Refs at the same time..hard to do

Was looking forward to seeing Tro with Laff and Cuylle tonight….They have been crap so far….

Lardass is a sad excuse and example as a leader for his team to follow. Just look at the iPad after the other team scores or whatever happened that he seems to miss live.

Ok next 20 days, 2 practice sessions per day. No pucks just practice back checking.

I don't care if we lose this game. Lafreniere should be sat out the rest of the way. It wont happen, but it should.

NV(4 - Lst niught it was Josef BALEJ! tonight Matt PUEMPEL! Next??? Jeff TOMS???

NEWFIE - I'm thinking You should take over for Fat Bastard after the break!!!..and bring Colorado Mark with ya!!!.....This team is sooooo poorly coached and players, vets ND preferred kids, not held accountable

Oh, and can somebody tell me why It was CUYLLE back on D for the CBJ's 2nd goal and not Schneider's partner whoever that schmuck might be

NV94.....it would certainly seem that way....Pettersson in Van did the same thing and Nylander in TO was a poster boy for it .

The fabulous Finn also dogging it on the second goal…He should have stayed in bed…

PJ _ That they were.!!.I thought TRO was a leader?...has had his head up his ass far too often too lately

And Gee, BJ's announcers making a big thing about the Coach calling a time out to straighten his team out...A little different than Lard Ass's go to move of throwing shit against the Wall

I'd trade Panaarina straight up for Del Bel Beluz! Just for the name and lack of turnovers

Great start and we could have easily went up 2-0 and then the turnovers and lazy ass play takes over..

With that suit jacket after tonights game Lav is gonna go sell some Aluminum siding

Too funny in sad way..I just turned i ton and boom, BORGEN with his head up his and Goal number 1 and then the entire TR line flss asleep nd Goal 2....Pitiful

Have no fear boys. The mush is here working for you. I picked up the Columbus goalie in fantasy for tonight’s game so expect a four or five goal night for the Rangers!

Hah..I thought that wives stuff was AI generated bull shit because i saw it on this rg called Hockey Feed...In any event, can't top the Wive's Swappers story of Fritz Peterson amnd MIke Kekich of the NY YANKEES!!!

So, the NHL is investigating the NYR's for tampering in the JT Miller trade. Apparently, Vincent Trockheck and Mrs. Tro both had lot's of conversations with the Millers. Remember when the Canucks were angry because they're was tampering going on with JTM? It was us... All us... Hey Drury, #1 rule when tampering... you do it on the down-low and everyone takes it to their grave. Fingers crossed but we seem to be F'd. Goodbye future 1st round pick.

And the Caps are vying for 1st place overall thus year with lots of contributions from their young players.

Just one question from the beat writers to clueless lardass…. Why isn’t rempe standing in front of the opposing goalies whenever he can ?

Hospo, good observation; LAFFY,SCHNEIDS, CUYLLE, JONES and others are they are getting worse not better under this GM. The Craps canned lav due to his inability to help young players transition to the NHL. He's gone, gone and nothing gonna bring him back, he's gone.

Yes that lack of hustle by Laf is on him but IMO it's a symptom of a much larger issue and that's a lack of leadership which starts with Dreary and Lardiolette.

At the end of the regular season both fans and players will say the team just didnt and couldnt do it for whatever reason. The writing is on the board this team isnt making the playoffs

PJ - It is on LAFFY last night but..something and the coaches are not getting thru to him and making him better,,,Same with most of the kids for whatever reason..still something ll encompassing wrong with the team and environment and it starts at the head with DRury, the coach and the core..and the shit rolls down hill when all the focus is put on the 'Core"..Just my take

IMO, this wishful thinking about Drury getting sacked is just that. Dolan does nothing but praise him and you see how he handled Sather. Gorton got fired because he refused to fire the coach and JD got fired because he stood behind Gorton and refused to fire him. If Dolan tells Drury to sack the coach, he will 5 minutes later. Rangers make money hand over fist. This is not like the old days of them losing money. The cap ensures that they make money. They clearly erred when they let Knoblauch go to Edmonton. The Wolf Pack have steadily declined since Knoblauch left and he coached in the final last season and could win this season.

Laff not backchecking on that goal was all on him….Not the coach or Z or Panarin….I mean he is moved away from Panarin as many people wanted…He still has Trocheck as his center….Not like Cuylle who is put on a line centered by a JBLO who is a borderline NHL player….Maybe we need McDavid to help Laff play better….

Next year hopefully we are better. Drury and Laviolett have to go but no one cares what the wall thinks.

JERRY - very true on LAFFY and that goal and he has sucked and been soft far too often this year...Contiunes to devolve, just lik Cuylle and SCHNEIDER..and then there's the red headed step kid JOnes..and KAKKAO befire him,...The only kids the Rangers have..Well, i take that back, Key MIller has stabilized and REMPS has been fine...but KAKKAO, CHYTL, LAFFY,SCHNEIDS, CUYLLE, JONES..they are getting worse not better under this GM, coach and core driven environment

Some joker in the Post wrote a story about how Zac Jones struggled last night! Ya, he was the problem! Worse sports writers on the planet, they fit it with that great team they cover. Shesty out, who gives a shit? What does it matter?

Laffy again shows no hustle and has the best seat in the house to see the game winning goal by Pit. Try backchecking. Zag is a turnover stone hands used to be. Igor the rebound champion. Who’s next?

Gene Carr - I always want to win or go for it....but not this year..I am all for sell, sell, sell and not just the meaningless fringe players (look to deal ZBAD, Kreider, Panarina also) to recoup assets and chaage the team...I want no more trade for vets, not this year...Make your 3 centers...Miller, Tro nd ZSHIT (until traded)..Fuck BRODZ and bring up one of the kid wingers or , hell, just ply the 1-D AK34...Whatever it brings you, tht's it.....BUt, the bigger question is Fat Bastard. i get rid of him now becasue of how bad the environment is for the youger players........All that said, I expect the opposite...Laviolette stays....maybe SMITH LIndgren and Vesey get dealt for peanuts in addition to pissing away ZAC JONES..but they also deal assets for a 3rd C...one step up two steps back

Before it is way beyond repair (for next season) one of the assistant coaches not named Housley need to take over and send the dinosaur back to Dixey. Admit this is a lost season and take the time to finally get a coach who is the right fit. Sorry Hospo, but go for a lottery pick and trade the guys on expiring contracts. If any of K, Z, and P could be traded then we have a very successful season and the opportunity for an enjoyable next season.

Now...what do I think the Rangers will do? DRURY is going to double down. He's gonna trade more futures for rentals. I suspect he'll get a third line center from somewhere...someone mentioned STURM and FERRARO on San Jose, and I could see something like that happening. I think JONES is gone at the deadline, sadly, because he's one who I'd say is playing pretty well...I mentioned LAUZON from the Preds. I could see him and Colton SCISSONS coming over. Maybe Christian DVORAK from the Habs if they're out of the race. Anyway, it's gonna be a deal where we all collectively groan...I think the one bright spot here is that because of the structure of the JT MILLER trade, I don't think DRURY can move another first rounder unless it's the 2027 pick...

All that said, I still like the trade for MILLER becasue he is exactly where you start to change the fucking identity and mind set of the team...Obviously the hope for the rising of guys like LAFFY, KAKKAO and even CHYTL to leaders or changing the way the game has played has now gone by the wayside,,,,,ANd if Drury doesn't follow up the MIller trade with the trading of AT LEAST GWO of kreider, Panarina and ZSOFT, it will be meningless

TDCHI - we don't disagree on Fat Bastard at all and the effect that he is getting the least form most of his players, both young and old..On the flip side they are giving their least the way they play..But that is also an indctment of Laviolette nd Drury.....Which brings me to the COMPLETE,,...Right now, it's hard to be COMPLETE when Johnny BRODZ is in your Top 9...and the COMPLETENESS is more an indication of the talent/skill of the individual players but not having all the necessary components or chemistry..and that's where it goes back to DRURY and the core vets also...Oh, well..a MONGOLIAN CLUSTERFUCK of the highest order!!

And for the record, I STRONGLY doubt LAVIOLETTE is going to be fired this season. He misses the playoffs? He's gone. For sure. But if NUMBNUTS didn't fire him during that stretch from November until January, he sure as shit ain't gonna fire him now...he SHOULD...and I think that's the only way they salvage the season...but he won't...and the folks saying one of the bench coaches would take over are absolutely correct. It would be HOUSELY, IMO...he and MUSE did win the u20 gold with MILLER, TROCHECK, and VESEY back in 2013...and that WAS one of my favorite US teams...but I'm not convinced he would bring anything new to the table...So the hope now is that LAVIOLETTE takes this break, hits the books and comes up with a gameplan to head into the stretch. And if I were I to put money on it? Let's just say I'm short selling.

I said the JT Miller trade was ill advised. They did it (and first gone). I said Z was no longer a top line center last year. So many didn’t want to believe it (it happened). I said this core is cooked at the beg of the season; need to position a sell off (never happened). I said shitbag Drury is top 3 bad GM material (I was wrong…he takes the #1 position). This team is so cooked. Even when they barely win, they look totally disjointed and appear to be hangin on by a thread. With this owner and GM we are perpetually fucked. Really are. That’s not even factoring in the shitbag fatass coach. There is nothing to look forward to. All draft capital is gone. We are perpetually horrible, horrible, utterly horrible at developing young players…who are always out in positions to fail. I’m out

Said it before and it bears mentioning again: I just don't see this team going anywhere with LAVIOLETTE behind the bench. This is probably the most complete roster the team has had since the 2013-15 run. And I can't stress this enough: They are playing WAAAAAAAAAAAY under the sum total of their parts. This team is every bit as good...especially with MILLER now...as anyone in the Metro...but they're massively underachieving. Everyone is. The only guy I could say is playing above his ability right now is Sam CARRICk. Maybe BORGEN and REMPE...Everyone is playing subpar in varying degrees. All of them You can be of the mind that the whole team has declined or that this is just a coincidence...OR...you can be like me, and admit that the coach is just not a good fit. The guy is a throwback. His idea of arming up is to load up a line and try to bury a team early. And that JUST. DOESN'T. WORK. You need a balanced approach. You need a team buy-in. And everything he does just breaks that down. From the mindless healthy scratches to limiting the contributes of his bottom line...which, with exception to possibly REMPE, could each pitch in on the PK...The guy simply hasn't created an environment where guys feel part of the whole. Certainly, the moron GM hasn't helped...but look...the Rangers, as DRURY designed them, are AT BARE MINIMUM, a playoff team. You can argue whether or not they'd get out of the first or second round...but they are too good to be on the outside looking in right now...they're too good to be a wildcard team too...but here we are...three wins out of the last spot...and that, folks, is a very sizeable margin when you're losing to a shit team like the Penguins.

Hospo. Yeah you've got a good point there. If Lardiolette's gonna be fired it'll be during the 2 week break especially if they lose to the BJ's tonight. Better yet Dreary is fired. He's the true culprit here.

RF4L - i hear what you are saying but the younger players, any potential call ups and a few role players deserve and need so much more than what Laviolette (and Drury) is doing to them..That needs to stop as soon as possible..It's already had long term effect (Kakkao), how many others?

Now I don't want Lardiolette fired until the off-season lest the new coach get them to rally a little and end up 17th to 19th overall and lose their 2025 first rounder. That the incompetent GM couldn't make it non-PO protected when he engineered the trade with his team sitting out of a PO spot is yet another embarrassing decision in a seemingly endless series of bad decisions on his trading resume. Gawd he's a horrid GM. He needs to sell off what he can and hope they finish 19th or lower.

NY RANGERS, "way to play down to the opponent's level" No Killer instinct whatsoever." - Read The Wall Rangers and Ranger Organization, "READ THE WALL!" This Wall would have certainly, "Out-Drafted you, Out-Coached you, and Out-Traded you. "Pathetic Performance"

If the shoe fits wear it lardass . Maybe ask your tailor and haircutter to do the same…. Mr unacceptable….https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/sports/rangers-fail-to-recapture-late-magic-in-loss-to-banged-up-penguins/

The villains according to dan martin of Rowan and martin ? They are the laugh in disorganization….https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/sports/rangers-zac-jones-struggles-in-rare-ice-time/

As the lb wind blows, went from they’re back to …Inexcusable Rangers loss makes one thing clear — it’s time to retool for next season By Larry Brooks….

And my god, it actually hurts me what they (Laviolette) have turned and devolved Cuylle into..And Laffy and Schneider aren't far behind...KAKKAO and CHYTL are another story..Sell, sell, fucking sell! And not just the Dollar Store Stuff...

BYStranger. That's me predicting the Rangers finishing 17th or 18th overall so we can watch Shitsburgh draft a future star because it's the Ranger way. Dreary sucks HUGE.

Not sure if they get blown out tomorrow or suck people back in with a win…Quick in net?….I lean toward a convincing loss…

Tht should be some fun plane ride to Columbus tonight! Most of them, especially the vets, deserve every second of it, the kids afrfe once again getting swallowed up just like 1-2 months ago....nd hey, remember when Kakko-Chytl-Cuyle was half decent line? WEll, Laviolette can stuff any of his frustration

The postgame with Laviolette tells me something is about to happen…Maybe wishful thinking but he seemed rattled to no end….His desperation shuffling this lazy ass team around tonight was startling….

Two guys names Lizzotte & Tomasino beat the Rangers! They have 16 total,goals between the 2 of them! They didn’t even need Crosby!

On that note, the entire team and coach sucking is bad enough, but to be totally unwatchable once again (and for most of the season) is even worse...

NYStranger - I will be on pins and needles watching ZBAD's every game for Sweden!!!

Who’s excited for the 4 nations? LOL. I am rooting for a Swiss-Czechia final….ooops!

So, who sits tomorrow night??? My bet is REMPs..Can't touch anybody else...!!! I would bring up 4 guys from the woeful pck nd just play them for game..Again, Fat Country would likely sit Laffy, Remps, , Jones, Schenider, Cuylle!!

Time to COMPLETELY CHANGE THE LINES and keep doing it until you find something that works! Decide who your core going forward is and try to figure out how to maximize their offensive output. If Drury KNOWS he’s not gonna keep certain guys, then MI IMIZE their status on this team until the grace deadline. Fuck Zibanejad, fuck Kreider and yeah, fuck Panarin. If he’s not part of the CUP PLAN…which should be the ONLY PLAN…then who gives a shit if he thrives or not. This is not about individual thriving in a vacuum….this is about the TEAM thriving…in the future. Panarin has ONE MORE YEAR…are you gonna resign him? If not, then GET RID OF HIM NOW or in the summer. Zibanejad has to go. ONCE AGAIN, the team is being shuffled to try to get Zibanejad going! It worked for 2 games. ENOUGH! Wait until the season is over and then GET RID OF HIM! Good person, but what makes him a good person makes him a WEAK ASS hockey player. JT is Messier and Zibanejad is Elias Pettersson! It ain’t gonna work! The same shit that happened in Vancouver will happen here. This team is now owned by Miller & Trochek. Kreider & Z have to go…out with the old, in with the new! Krieder is the PERFECT player for a PO team with Cup aspirations to OVERPAY for! Drury must take advantage of that fact.

And I guess JT MIller can't change the identity of a team that Lard Ass has let fester..Still believe that at least two of ZSOFT, Panarinaa and Kreider must be traded someway somehow by summer...Unfortunately we will mor likely see huys like Cuylle, Laffy and Scheider traded (JOnes is a forgone conclusion for that 3rd Center!!)

JFC _ I missed your first line but could tell from the rest of your even handed post that you defientely missed the worst game of the season where every kid sucked..and every vet played like they didn't give a shit!!!!! Count yourself lucky!!

Couldn’t watch tonight’s game…and just as well! When you can’t beat a team without its best player in the lineup….a team you’re in direct competition with for a playoff spot…fuck it! No way Drury should make ANY trades to save this season. Hockey trades only…no trading any assets for 33-year old pending UFA centers to make the playoffs. Just make trades for next season and beyond. When you can’t beat the Pens without Crosby in a tight race like this, you ain’t doing shit if you happen to make the playoffs. Load up for next season…trade Lindy, trade Smith, trade Kreider, trade vakannainen…get young players on the cusp and draft choices. These guys have earned NOTHING to deserve bolstering this lineup…NOTHING! Enough already!

PJ - Thanks..Herbie..OK, he can be a Vampire Dentist Elf! No matter what, he sucks too

Vcp what’s the difference if he is or isn’t? Team will not do what it takes to win consistently. We see just enough maddeningly brief flashes of brilliance that we all get sucked in like the stupid junkies we are, then kicked in the balls. Rinse/repeat.

Hospo….Dan Muse…Herbie doesn’t like to make toys….Hive him an elf hat…..

Dan muse the astronomy teacher told gianone what they needed to do in the third period. He forgot to tell the players. Great 36 second performance by lardass in the post game press conference. He’s pissed he had to go pee pee . He should try to find his balls on that excursion.

VCP -- JOSEF BALEJ!!!!! Points for that one!! KIS - If he said EVERYBODY.then i agree..But how about naming the Coach?

Coach won't be fired no way ...we all have to wait until seasons end for who knows what.

I think they should make that NOSFERATU looking cliueless glasses wearing clown the head coach whatever the hell his name is..As worthless as the rest

Hospo…I honestly believe he has given up on Z and Kreider….He did say JTM could have hit a wall after the trade and little rest coming in… He isn’t excusing anybody and I agree with him…

You all realize we are going to be finishing behind the fucking Islanders this season?!! 5-year plan…50-year plan…

That's right Smug Douche Valliquette, pick o nthe new goy. Same could ve said about ZSOFT and KREIDS more than anybody..I actially saw MIller do some tough work along the baords..something ..ZSHIT and Kreider know nothing about..And then there Balerina Panarina and his bull shit

If we fire Lavi, one of the assistants will likely take over for the rest of the season. Honestly, I don't know if that would be any better. Housely has really underwhelmed me this season.

Vally says he wasn’t sure if JTM was playing as he didn’t hear his name until half way through the game….

Tonight is the night to fire Lavy.. I am 100% serious... I won't let it ruin my Valentine’s Day....

So as of right now hockey-reference has us out of the playoffs and finishing with 14th pick. LOL so whoever it was here who said we would get the worst possible result this year may be right. Miss the POs and ALSO lose our 1st round pick. Drury, your such and asshole!!!

VCP For 2and a half fucking minutes too!! And those pussies kept everything on the perimiter...

Laviolette sounds like he has had it…He said unacceptable and one word answers and he just stormed off….

Why on the last power play miller, ZBAD, panarin,kreider but no trouchek instead of ZBAD only the 6 on five he puts trouchek.. laviolett is a moron. Trouchek goes to the net I don't get it. ..

Vally hits nail on head….He notices watching some players they are not in but out from an effort standpoint….No names mentioned but we can guess…Blunt assessment but heard Messier saying the same when assessing our play…He said we lose the 50/50 puck battles continually….Tonights effort was a summation of the season…

That's the pansy assed gobbldeygook the "leaders" say after the worst loss of the season?? Again..Fuck them all

Fucking igor sucks thos year. You dont gove 11.5 to.a player who does t make a dofference

Fox says Penguins are well coached and always difficult…We need to do a better job….

The next time a Ranger beats and opponent to the puck along the boards will be the first time. Just terrible effort. No balls. No guts. No passion. No emotion. No pride. All -lay like they are out for a stroll. All want to win the easy way and when they can’t they don’t care.

TRADE - Yep..or just give the team to Peca for the next few months..But what will probably happen is Dickweed Drury And fat Bastard will have a meeting of the minds and plan the rest of the season and ..A game like this can't go unanswered by the GM or Owner

Bring in quinville. who gives a shit if he is JoePa V2.0....we ain't getting any younger on this goddamn wall....

Can’t leave Igor out either…Not our best player or even the best goalie on the ice many nights….

Panarin and JTM with 4 GA each. miller also a paltry 28.6% on FO's. The entire team needs to bounce back tomorrow. HUGE game, looming even larger now.

It would be a perfect time to fire this fat fucker.... let one of the assistants coach tomorrow night against Columbus and then have a couple weeks to find someone and bring them in quickly during the break

Imagine bringing the kids to this, paying what it costs and seeing the team all play like they would rather be somewhere else. I would be furious.

My typing as disgraceful as the fat fucking coach and the spineless vets!!..Fuck them all.

Embarrassing lost the majority of 50/50 pucks.. deserved to lose....have to be sellers at the deadline.. Actually I'd keep the coach's to play out the rest of this season and fire them the moment it ends

I rarely post about Laviolette..... but this fucker should be given his walking papers tonight....

Fuck around and you lose…No way this team makes the playoffs….Blow it up now starting with lard ass….

Drury needs to be a seller and he needs to get rid of laviolette. Sell kreidera d panarin

Hospo the great tough ZBAD was invigorated for 2 games .haaaaaaa right . 2 pussies and a man line

Most of ll the coch who had ZEro preparation, motivation nd nswer..just throwing shut agst the Wall..Totally out coach...Can his fucking Fat ass right now!!

Phuckin Rangers, piss away a must win game against a very beatable team. This is BS "Rangers!"

6 on 4 agaisnt the Malkin and Crosby less Pens and that is what they get??? A fucking disgrace..every single player

Oh shit, I thought we were leading 3-2, phuckin Rangers.... Score for Pete's sake

I cannot believe that Laviolette has not been fired yet. I guess it aint happening.....He has no idea how to motivate nor hold this team accountable....They were good last year despite him

4th line good work draws a penalty..Too bad the top 3 lines did jack shit all night

let's keep passing the puck back to the point instead of taking it to the net because that is really working tonight ((puke))

Just lock these birds down from here n in. Don't let them through the neutral zone. Hold them to 2 GA's

Shitty game Saturday..Good game Sunday...1 good period Tuesaady..Pathetic effort tonight...Trade has done little

Kinda evident the team has lost some youtful enrgy that both Eddstom d Chytl brought..In addition this Laviolette Line Limbo is nothing but a hige clusterfuck,,,,,But, as he just said, we need big 3rd period!!!

It really is infuriating watching them lose to this team. They won 2 in a row with 3rd period comebacks. This game should not have been close. The only guy I am impressed with tonight is Zac Jones.

If being in an extremely tight playoff race isn’t enough to make a team play desperation hockey, then I don’t know what it would take. I think they need to be sellers at the trade deadline . This team is finished. At the same time I’m hoping for a big comeback in the third ! Damn , I hate this team lol

Rangers losing and islanders winning. On paper should be reversed. Without Barzal too.

The only guy who looks engaged .. and I made add is accurate with his out of d-zone passes .. Zac Jones...

PJ. Jones. Maybe K Miller. That's it. The $40,000,000 top 5 forwards are scintillating!!!

Instead of better .. we got worse... totally outworked outhustled..standing around waiting for something to happen ..

... and listening to Sam and Joe.... why don't u stick a fuckin hot cow poke in my ear and put a jumper cables on my ball sack

Some great defensive plays by K'Andre there. We need a better team to show up in the 3rd.

When both the kids and the vets blow chunks t ES... something is seriously fucking wrong

So if the Rangers lose these two games, is Drury man enough to can the coach over the break?

Don't do it half assed Schneids..Take somebody out..No fucking fire or attitude on this bunch of choirboys

One good play every 5 games is not a rebirth. More afterbirth. PS I know you are kidding.

As bad a it's been all year...The rebirth of Krieder and ZFLOT?? not so much so far

Every game the Rangers play now is the biggest game of the season and this is the pussy footing effort these wuss boys put forth against an ECHL team?? Unfuckingbelievable,,

Seriously at a loss with this team….Just don’t get it….Way too much talent for this….

Friday night at home on a must win game against an inferior opponent missing their best two players..... and this is what we get?

The "great" 3rd period form the Bruin game obvioly meaningless...Coach and Leaders of the Rangers worhtless

NYSTranger - Yep, he's as soft as shit after playing so physical last year..ZBAD and Panarina are good mentors!!

This is also what happens when no one ( except young guys) are held accountable. No one worries about being benched! I’ll echo: Lav needs to be fired

A must two points..They should be playing hard no matter who they are going against..

Lazy and stupoif Big Will! God, Lavilotte has turned him into shit from the player he was early in the season

Panarin is a turnover machine. Period. It goes under the radar because his offensive skills really shine at times.

I am also getting sick of Laffy ‘physical play’. He just does this wimpy fanny bump check these days. I guess he doesn’t want to get hurt and interfere with his ability to spend his cas$h!

For some unknown reason I am getting the Penns feed on EsPN+. Can’t figure why it is not blacked out or at least a national broadcast? Not really complaining, mind you.

You get up for Crosby and Malkin, it's very easy to not take a team without them seriously... It will always come back to bite you in the ass.

Does Fox have conditioning issues? He always looks like he just pushed a bus up a steep hill.

Boring ass bad game...totally outplyed,and then a Bad mistake by Remps but Foxy to the rescue!...Yawn....

rf4L......I know what you mean about Panarin,I'm tired of his act here on Broadway. I said it before.....highly skilled but really doesn't get the game all over the ice on most nights.

Lousy period….Being outworked by a less talented team….So much overpassing…

Poor period.. outworked overpassing and our typical defensive/neutral zone TO's .. gotta be better

Jones very impressive. Why he sat for 18 games is mystifying. Err. No. It's the dumbass coach

MF... Either/or sounds good to me. I think Bjugstead is currently playing RW for Utah.

Rhet: Bjugstad as a 3rd or 4th line Center? Does Lavy toggle Bjug / Carrick between 3rd & 4th line duty? Who knows what this coach would do? "And I'm not for firing him." He's in the final year of a 2 year deal @ $2.1 million. (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/bjugsni01.html) - (https://puckpedia.com/team/utah-hc)

Got the IceChickens cast .. goin on about how the Rangers give the puck away ( not wrong) and then opps giveaway by them .. Goal .. LOL.. clean up the D zone and shoot the puck .. a bit of our usual overpassing to start

We hold these Penguinistas to 2 goals or fewer, we should win. ank the 2 points. LGR'S

No Crosby, no Malkin? No excuses. This game should not be close. What do you want to bet they come out flat.

The only problem dealing with Boston is that it's doubtful that they'd want to send him here....1-It's the NYR's(they hate us) and 2-they'd have to see him too often.... JMO, but go steal Nick Bjugstad from Utah while everyone else is focusing on the bigger names.... https://www.foreverblueshirts.com/new-york-rangers-news/why-trent-frederic-likely-not-option-nhl-trade-deadline/

DOUBLE OH, If you already have JT MILLER as your 1st line C/RW..why not also bring back Kevin HAYES as your 3rd C? OK, I'll stop

So, no Malkin, no Crosby, Can the Rangers beat an AHL team tonight? Maybe, as long as they play ZHAPPY and Panarina 24 minutes each!!

Wtf NHLN again. That is 8 or 9 games on that fucking channel. Dont they show other teams?

Thanks guys. I know it's not NHLN's fault--I actually listen to their stuff on Sirius and like it. But damn, the NHL higher-ups should treat their paying fan base a little better. For the record, we have a smaller cable system here, which claims that the NHL unfairly tries to squeeze smaller systems with exorbitant fees, which they refuse to pay. I realize this is small potatoes compared to the crap that Optimum and MSG are subjecting fans to in the NYC area.

VtRanger: I don't think that's the NHL network's fault - it's Buttplug and his constant search for better TV revenue streams. It's totally counter-productive because so many are growing so frustrated with being unable to find certain games that they're simply not bothering. My oldest boy who is a huge Leaf fan but doesn't have traditional TV and too often cannot find Leaf games. He's reached the point where he doesn't bother and now doesn't bother to even follow the team. So dumb.

I hate the NHL Network! I was so looking forward to watching tonight's game until I saw it is being shown on NHLN. My cable system doesn't carry NHLN and I stream via ESPN+, which the NHL in its infinite wisdom blacks out when games are on NHLN. This happens at least 6 or 7 games a year and it pisses me off to no end. Looks like I'll be listening to Dave Maloney tonight. Sorry for the public rant.

PJ: I think that we must study keeping Zbad and Krieder apart at even strength. I don't think there is issue having them together on the PK, and I don't think there is an issue having them on a PP unit as long as that PP unit has a 3:2 Ratio of LHS:RHS or vice versa, and, that that PP Unit knows when to get the hell off the ice For the "other" PP unit....

Agreed on that Miller line. Huge pluses all around. Not with vet loving Lardiolette however. It'll take a bunch of loses for that and even probably not.

Read the oink quotes. He’s not really up on his knowledge of his team. I think that he’s tired , and hoping to get fired and retired…..https://nypost.com/2025/02/06/sports/rangers-zac-jones-praised-for-big-game-in-first-action-in-19-games/

Hospo/TD - that Cuylle-Miller-Lafreniere line is the one I’m jonesing for…I think it would be amazingly effective…loaded with skill & grit. And JT would show Laf how he would be most effective using more physicality. Get me this line!

Blues might be open to trading center Brayden SCHEN...Just sayin..in case Drury is serious about spending more assets on a two way 3rd C

Come on Utah and VGK! Tampa and Ottawa: you guys can just beat the crap out of each other.

R47... I'm curious as to why you feel that way. It's no different than what he was doing with the Canucks and he needs more minutes.

You know I HATE the Leafs ,so tonight I hope Jari Kakko gets a hat trick...LOL The game doesn't come on tonight until after 11PM my time, so I guess I'll have to wait til the morning TSN hi-lights.

TD/Hospo…Would be thrilled to see those lines….If Laff and Cuylle aren’t contributing we will not make the playoffs…Put them in position to do so….JBLO is a fill in for injury…Nothing more…I also don’t agree Z and Kreider split up make the team better….

Td I get the feeling that coach clueless, even if he tried your lines suggestion and it worked great, would not be able to help himself and go back to the only stupid shit he knows. I would like to see what your (and Hospo’s) lineup would do for 5 games, because they might have won the last two but the team played a very vanilla game last night and skated around for the most part without purpose. A few really good plays aside the Rangers are lucky to have won.

In regard to JTM ice time: My guess is that it's just as simple as a HC getting to know a new player. Miller had 21 shifts, but not really the corresponding minutes to match. PP2 playing 2 1/2 minutes(who saw that coming?) cost him. Not being on the PK also cost him nearly 2 minutes....I would imagine that the plan is for him to replace SMITH on the PK to partner with TRO.... That would be a pretty dynamic Pk line. Maybe we'll see it on Saturday.

TDCHI - Those are the lines I proposed a week aao after getting MILLER, except for maybe somebody instead of AK34... but shows how much I know

My lines would be LAF-MILLER-CUYLLE, SMITTY Jr.-TROCHECK-PANARIN, KALIYEV-Z-KREIDER and VESEY-CARRICK-REMPE...oh and I would DEFINILTEY play JONES over VAAKAININEN.

Welp, two points is two points. Can't argue with it unless you're rooting for them to lose...but yeah...There's not much more to be said than has already been said...I will say I was somewhat pleasantly surprised to see LAVIOLETTE being a bit more level with ice times, and not loading guys up. JT MILLER was played surprisingly sparingly, considering he was on the top line AND the top PP unit...and only ended up with a bit less than 16 minutes...JONES getting 13 minutes shows again where he stands in the pecking order, which is not in it at all...which is a shame, because outside of SCHNEIDER...who was/is still played way too sparingly...he's the most consistently good defender on the roster...You know where I said you can't argue with results? Well, that's what I'm going to do here: I felt like I was transported back to 2012-13...the last year of TORTORELLA...when there was this GENIUS idea to put Marian GABORIK on a line with Rick NASH and Brad RICHARDS...the super line. Involved playing GABBY on his off-wing, if I recall...and lead to him having one of his worst statistical seasons as a Ranger...It also made the rest of the Ranger lines a shitload weaker. All you really needed to do to shut them down was shut that line down...now I don't claim that this team is nearly as flawed as that one was...but to put Z on the wing with PANARIN shoehorns them into a situation that makes two of their other lines weaker...simply put, KALIEYEV(and VESEY for that matter) are better players than BRODZINSKI. The team, in general, would be better if they had MILLER-TROCHECK-Z straight down the line...and I'll go one step farther than that...MILLER is the type of player who REALLY fits with someone like LAFRENIERE and CUYLLE. These are players cut from the same cloth. And KALIYEV? He's a guy who would be fantastic on a line with a distributor like Z. And PANARIN, it must be said, gave TROCHECK his most productive year in his entire career. So while it's nice that we got two points...and from a wildcard opponent...the same problems that have been hurting the Rangers against better opponents are still hurting them now.

RF4L - Agree..and Even if was PO or bust, it's not smart...they are now not a 3 line team, nor a 2 line team, but a one line team..2nd and 3rd lines do nothing...Th TRO and JBLO lines (god, saying that is nauseating) do nothing.....OK, the 4th line was effective, but still...Gotta love REMOPS with 5 hits, 5 SOG and a constant factor..

Hospo: Yep, it's a recipe for failure and I don't understand it at all. Is Lardiolette (and Dreary for tolerating it) that stupid? Or is the mandate from above get in the POs and everything else including the future beyond this year is irrelevant? How can a seasoned coach, even if he's way past his expired date, be so nearsighted? And while I'm hardly a Dreary fan surely he can't be that out of touch, can he? It's gotta be a Dolans mandate - if not then wow, this organization is more doomed and fucked up that ever.

RF4L - And TRO 2nd and Reily SMith 5th!...And then their best player if they ever make the POs, JT MILLER (with only 15 minutes), 6th...not getting it at all....Top Six Ice time getters at forward all over 31.....14 mins of Total nothingness from Laffy, Cuylle just being wasted and minimized playing with physical non entities for 14 minutes and Both continuing their downward trajectory under Laviolette, although not as low as CHYTL and KAKKAO!......here's an idea, just switch Vesey (or call up OTHMAN) with CUYLEE..so we can have one line (REMPs-CARRICK-CUYLLE) in addition to JT MILLER that is at least a little fun to watch if only 8 minutes....

Looks like "Bustin up the Bromance" was exactly what was needed to resuscitate these two.

shonuff. Agreed - I thought precisely the same thing when I watched him burst through the defense to get open on that goal. And I've been saying it for a while - he's not hurt; he's in a giant funk that's a result of a few things including how ineffective he and his bro have been (to the point where they are not on the same line anymore), he's pressboxing and his place in the lineup.

Kreider burst of speed on the short handed goal showed nothing is wrong . You can’t fake that speed . He has been known to take parts of seasons off he just seems to have taken it to the next level this season . If it is his back and he can’t deflect a pass or stand in front he should be flying up and down the ice not going completely silent . A shame watching JT finish his simple check on Panarin goal knowing the rest of the team doesn’t do it .

And Lardiolette's words about moving up and down the lineup finally shows us in his own words what we know he's been doing since he arrived in New York. And that is favouring the high priced veteran forwards over anyone and everyone else. GG did the same thing. And we wonder why highly touted Ranger prospects don't develop properly to the point where they are leaving the organization, either as UFAs or through trades that don't bring much back. Zac Jones is now on that trajectory.

Such a flawed strategy - there is no way this team even if they do manage to squeak into the POs, will go very far. And how much more of the future will Dreary sacrifice to accomplish even that? I will not believe he won't trade more futures for ineffective rentals until he doesn't.

I guess Lardi just admitted he IS a two line only coach. Only can count as high as two, coach? Must be hard when you have both of your thumbs jammed up your butt! Coaching is hard….

Icetiime is earned?….on why he put zbad on the right wing….“It’s just a starting point,” Laviolette said on Tuesday. “You move down the lineup, you start to lose minutes. I think just trying to keep some players involved in those top couple of lines, top two lines, it allows more minutes, more reps, more time on ice. I didn’t wanna lose anybody so we ended up making adjustments.”

“You can hear him,” Zibanejad said when asked when he saw Kreider was with him. “Not screaming, the way he skates. In a situation like that, I think I was trying to get a breakaway maybe two or three times before that and then the play happens. Just knowing when we play together — we’ve played long enough together — to know that my first look is to see if he’s coming with me. And he is. If he’s going, no one’s going to catch him.”

The Nyr record with Rempe in the lineup makes him Rempefoot. I wonder if lardass knows that. I doubt it, he’s in his own private Idaho. ….. jitters made an excellent play and hit on panarin’s goal. And the bromance won the game which is why they should play together until DD drury makes his ‘can it core a apple ‘ moves.

And, my God, it is a travesty how the Refs re treating, targeting nd screwing REMPE...who, despite that, had aa real good game making things happen

God, that was one of the more painful games to watch in a long, long time..Pretty much felt nothing the entire game..except for watching JT MILLER bust his ass all game and create the first goal and every time REMPs and the 4th line was on the ices..Also thought ZAC JONES did fine and made some smart defensive plays.......Rangers could have easily lost that ugly snore fest fter the 2 quick goals but special team bailed them out and they held on.....I'm done with JBLO and that entire line, it's a horror to watch..and i don't even get the enjoyment of watching CUYLLE anymore...Tro-Laffy -Smith not much better...But, that's what you get when you play two C's on the top line..hell, just play them 25 mins...There is no internal option for 3rd C so I guess this is how it will roll

KIS: t/y... some games are like that, we banked the 2 points, earlier in the season, probably would have lost the game. IMO, we're playing a lot better than we were, 2 GA's per game the rest of the way & I think we can nudge in. IF we're mathematically out just before the deadline (March 7th) we can move a few pieces and recoup some picks/prospects.... Again, Frida Night, Penguinista's @ MSG 7pm

Mf it was a shit show. They played a very bad game. Team was lucky. Boston sucks too. Only threat is pasta. Boston got to mamy more pucks. Rangers cant shoot for anything. Everything is shot wide. Ramgers play woth no flow and no purpose

This place reads like an obituary. I couldn't watch more that glimpses of the game but with approx 5 minutes remaining in the second perios we were tied at 1-1 and then Boston scored. Period ends and I'm thinking, OK, hold them scoreless in the 3rd @ 2 GA's, and we can win this thing. I come back halfway into the 3rd and see we're tied at 2, low & behold we win 3-2 against a team that recently beat us 6-3..... Next up PITT, at MSG 7pm.... One game at a time.

Still issues 5 on 5 .. good win .. laviolett fired yet for not backing up that BS call on rempe...heck let's get torts back he is good for a few good screams

Kreider was the most KREIDERY I've seen him look, like he looked on that goal tonight... It sucks that our final two games before the 4 Nations are back-to-back. Of course they are.

Jones really did play well considering how long it has been since he played…Smooth moving the puck and Lord knows we need that in the D zone…

Huge win….I too was bashing Kreider before his goal and it was well deserved….The officials treatment of Rempe is criminal….

You guys should go back & read the comments as the game went along. I can’t watch it, I have no cable service right now. But reading this Wall in this situation is pretty fucking amazing! The vitriol for goals against, followed by borderline murderous thoughts and then suddenly we’re winning again! LOL! As Billy Joel once sang, “it’s either sadness or euphoria!” LOL

How about those whipping boys? R Smith with an excellent PK, and Z seems to have his confidence back. Hell even the coach is playing REMPE in the 3rd period in a close game.

Laf. Such a tease. Those quick little moves in tight are for only the very skilled. Get your game together dude.

Kis, it' actually was great play by Rempe. It happens 100 times in a game, never get's called. Holding???

RF rempe did absolutely nothing there. If anything he was working hard back to get lsotition. Thats a poor fucki g call

Nobody but Rempe gets that call against them. The puck was already gone. What a joke.

Can someone explain why Kreider is even dressed up? What excuse now? Bad back, lost his balls, forgot to take his multi-vitamins, did not get his daily nap? Guy is absolute zero in a game once again. Zero. Complete MIA.

andrei…They played physical second half of last game…Agree it rarely happens…

Good on Cuylle and Miller going after Ratdick. Shame on 55 for whining at the ref instead of going after Ratdick

PJ, who is going to play a physical game? Feeses, JBlow, Kreider, Kalieev, ZShit, Smith? Once you realize that this teams needs full house cleaning, rest will fall in place. Being sying this for last three years. Rangers are lines away from winning a cup. Lines!!

It just seems like something is just off, and it is just not happening this year. They have been outworked tonight and Igor was screened on both goals. 2 consecutive power plays where they decided not to shoot the puck.

The emotion we had in the third period of the last game did not carry over to this game….Stickchecking with little physicality tonight….

Kis, shoot from where, center ice?? You understand that when playing trap, only way to beat it is how the 1st goal was scored. Dump the puck, control boards and go retrieve it. Nothing to do with shooting on goal. PP is a different story, I get it. Not arguing there.

rngrsans, what does that mean? Igor has not helped?? 2nd goal he was screened all the way and puck went off Fox. You can clearly see that he never saw the puck. 1st goal was deflected as well. Common, people.

Andrei rangers need to shoot and look for rebiunds. All the passing is worthless

I'm telling you they are gonna finish 17th or 18th. It's the Ranger way. It's fuckeyes Dreary's way.

I agree that Igor has not helped us. His last four starts and that’s a huge issue. The fact that we failed on the 2 Power Pl. to capitalize gave them more momentum. They are on the second game of a back to back and we’re not even making them work very hard.

This is what Bruins hockey looks like. When the opposite team plays trap all game long, you will get a very boring game. Two bad bounces and rangers are down by a goal. Boston is clogging neutral zone and there is nothing is going thought it. Rangers need to continue playing patient game and they have to get the puck deep.

Why dod this ass mix up all the lines at this time of the year. Why mot bread trochek and laffy then miller cullye -miller and vesey. Zbad center kreider and smith then the last line. No way jbro should ever play

Boston has been total crap and they are beating us in a must game at MSG….The story of the Ranger season….

Go up 1-0 and shite the bed on two straight PP’s and then give up 2 fluke goals…

I cant remember the last time i disliked watching a ramger team the way i doslike wstchi g this team. They amger me to no end. They play with no purpose. They play like a bunch of pa sy ass fucks.

It was just a matter of time because they’ve spent so much time in the Rangers zone. I am not a fan of these lines especially the second and third line. There seems to be zero chemistry and urgency.

Wasting too many chances on the pp. Not enough shots and too much fancy crap. And the coach not playing some of our players is baffling. Some of our wingers are really not very good.

Kreider looks lost on the PP. Switch him with Cuylle. Oh no not with this coach.

I don’t mind coaches sittings the yutes for mistakes, but what drives me nuts (and I am sure this have something to do with the dissension and coaching changes), is the total lack of equal accountability for the vets. It hasn’t been since Torts that we saw a coach make the vets accountable.

Agree, much tighter defensively. It’s boring but otherwise we are losing in that period. Both Millers were excellent, along with the 4th line.

Very good, but very boring period. Well played defensive game so far. Again, very strong play by Miller-Borgen pair. Looks like game in-game out Lavi is playing Miller-Borgen against a top line.

Os this team really that bad? They just dont play with any flow. There is no idea of doing somethi g. It all just seems like playing off the seat of their pants. Laffy cant be this bad. He isnt even involved. Just horrible

E - one problem with your theory regarding the development of Chytil, KK & Laf, is that when Laviolette force fed Laf Top 6 minutes and stated that the spot was his to lose, he flourished! Young guys have to be empowered to be fully confident. Without it, they don’t show their true capabilities because they are worried about being DEMOTED if they don’t set the world on fire immediately or if they make a mistake…,which is exactly the conditions they played under

great pK ... and another example of bad puck management .. this time Trochek trying to force a cross ice pass in the neutral zone.. instead of pushing it forward .. turnover, puck back in our end.. it is the simple plays time after time..

Fox doesnt even look to shoot and score. He is like the other idiots on the team looking to make the extra pass

Drew: It’s the Devils we have to watch yearly at this point . That’s the new nightmare . Some years they take a step back but we know the one put it all together year with a weak western conference opponent is coming . Sickening

tdchi - so at the end of the year the Rangers keep their pick, they forfeit 2026 no matter what, I thought? Either way we won't have a first this year and if we do, not next year. I don't know how we can recoup firsts but we need to stockpile picks or young prospects.

Rhet0ric - While I admittedly have half-baked fantasy of the team landing KUNIN and STURM from San Jose...I gotta admit that if this moron GM trades for a third line center/pending UFA, I have really underestimated his stupidity. But that's probably the case. I severely underestimated how stupid LAVIOLETTE is.

I get your frustration, and you’re right about one thing Hughes and Stützle got a much longer leash than Lafrenière, Kakko, or Chytil ever did. No question you got a good point there.. They were given prime ice time, played through mistakes, and developed because their teams let them develop. Meanwhile, the Rangers were too focused on contending to let their kids take the same lumps. But here’s where your argument starts to crack with me: If Laffy, Kakko, or Chytil had shown enough to be undeniable, they would have forced their way into the top six, no matter what. It’s not like the Rangers were rolling out peak Crosby and Malkin ahead of them. Your right some of the guys who took their minutes (Goodrow, Vesey, Namestnikov, blah blah blah.) were far from elite. But ask yourself: “Why did the coaching staff keep going back to those guys instead of handing the kids the keys? Because when Laffy and Kakko did get their chances, they didn’t take them and run. They had moments, sure, but never enough to make it impossible to take them off the ice. Hughes? Stützle? They had their struggles, but you could see their high-end skill breaking through CONSISTENTLY, even in tough seasons. Let’s be real if Lafrenière had looked like a no-doubt, future superstar in his first two seasons, he wouldn’t have been stuck on the third line. Same with Kakko. Same with Chytil. Some of this is on the coaching staff, but some of it is on them. You may not believe it but teams will award the lions share to whoever gives them the best chance to win. And we all argue about that all the time. And thats fine. But the rule is the rule. And every coach at every level pushes it. When you get the opportunity you hold on to it and you dont all them the chance to take it away from you. So yeah, you’re right that they never got the streets paved with gold like Hughes did. But to say they earned those minutes and were just blocked? Nah, man. If they had truly demanded a top-six role, they’d have one.

DREW - As of today...pregame, that is, the Rangers DO have their first round pick, since they're technically in slot 12 of 13, your favorite team being in that 13th spot. I don't normally embrace RF4L's alarmism on picks, but he's on the money right now. The Rangers have a few nice pieces here and there...but that ain't gonna last long when they have two drafts where they're essentially picking their first guy in the third round...Moral of the story is that trading your first rounder is a lot like eating your own body when you're hungry and out of food. DRURY's first three years have put this team on a precipice...and if he keeps dealing like some are saying he'll do...they're gonna be in a very...VERY bad spot in two or three years.

Have not read the Wall et today, but IF we're going the route of targeting a 3rd line Center, ChiTown's NICK FOLIGNO may be worth a look. Unfortunately he's being paid $4.5 mill this year and next, so we'd need them to eat salary. NICK has a FOW of approx 51.75% over the last 2 seasons. The cost with Chicago eating $1mill to 50% of his Cap Hit, I don't know. I player worth considering? I think yes... https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/f/foligni01.html

'And this idea that the Rangers never give young players chances is ridiculous. Cuylle is playing top six at times.' <---Let's talk about this. Have you seen how much ice he's getting lately? This season, he's played 11 games where he's averaged over 16 minutes. And THREE where he played over 18. You can say that's because he's not on the PP and the PK, and then I'd say why not? He was probably the Rangers' best forward from October through January...really until KAKKO was dealt...and since MILLER came into the picture, where is he? Where is his ice? On the decline. And can you really say, with a straight face, that this guy HASN'T been absolutely kicking the door down to get top six minutes? I wouldn't go there.

E - Ma' dude. Have you SEEN the ATOI on HUGHES his rookie year?! C'mon man. He wasn't in the league for a month before he got his first 20-minute game. He got opportunities as a rookie that LAFRENIERE and KAKKO could only DREAM of...STUTZLE was the same thing. And man, you look at the guy's differential and it's impossible to ignore the fact that he was on the ice for A LOT of goals against in his first two years...and yet they played him. A lot. And on the PP. Did our guys get that? Nope. Now tell me the hole you saw in their game...how or why either one of them wouldn't have been good in the top six...and if you would like, I can remind you of some of the names that DID land in the top six during those years...Let's just say, they didn't exactly spur confidence...So to sit here and say LAF and KAKKO...and I'll throw CHYTIL in here too...that they DIDN'T distinguish themselves enough to EARN that spot?! Sorry dude. That doesn't pass muster.

You have to kick the tires on Dylan Cozens, but let's be honest, there will likely be an all-out bidding war on the guy.

Hospo: I enjoyed that so much I added my own review: "This is a gritty, brutish and sometimes visually disturbing series. It is also absolutely stunning to watch - almost addictive and very believable. The human race can be extremely ferocious and that's on full display here. The ending left us with a possibility of a season 2 but I don't see how season 1 can be matched in terms of the above. That said, it certainly will be interesting to see! And contrary to what some are saying, the character development is fine; it didn't take me long to believe in most of the fascinating personalities making up this series."

Hospo: They are desperate for veteran leadership. Package someone like Kreider and Lindgren for him?

RF4L - Sure was...Just wish it would have been longer than 6 epsiodes! The Rangers could use themselves some Isaac along with Dylan Couzens! He has kinda plateaued in Buffalo production wise but has always been a good 2-way player and a little more physical now..WOuld be a good replacement for CHYTL....But what do the Rangers have to give to a Non-PO team liek Buffalo..Cuylle and Schneider is about all they would want!

AOAN - worth watching: https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/american-primeval-full-cast-announcement

Sabres shopping Cozens so goes the rumours. If so you'd better be discussing the possibilities of acquiring him you dumbass GM.

shonuff….Agree it will be real difficult for the Rangers to make the playoffs…So many teams playing well….Need the next three….They have already blown too many….Starts tonight with a payback win over the Bruins….

JFC - And he did nothing special on the LAFFY contract either, it was right in line with the money/years all the other young players like him were getting over the past year prior to his contract--RAYMONN, GUNETHER and a few others....If LAFFY gets his act together, decent deal, if he doesn't, not soo much

JFC - I worry more about the player than the Cap hit...IGOR was a no brainer, got what he should have...BORGEN instead of KAKKAO is another story...I'm sorry DRURY will get no credit from me for too quickly signing a UFA to because althoug I think he has been fine I'm not convince he is anything more than a 4t/6th Dman and I sure as hell think his future pales in comparison to what the future holds for KAKKAO...But, only time will tell

DD drury has to make his boss believe that he’s trying to make the playoffs. He has to go through the motions by making trades. While his moron coach put zbad on wing to give his top two lines a lot more minutes to help his gm . And continue to use his fourth line as his red headed step child. And he and his genius houseless have taken Schneider down some ice time notches. Let management have anxiety attacks for the next few months. They got lucky jitters fell into their laps, but lightning rarely strikes twice in the same place. Let the curly shuffle continue .

From Baugh at The Athletic: “ Shesterkin is one of the best goalies in the world. His cap hit likely would have been fair even without huge jumps in the salary cap. Now it could age extremely well. In 2027-28, when the cap is $113.5 million, his contract will be worth 10.13 percent of the Rangers’ cap. That’s the same percentage as an $8.91 million AAV cap hit with this year’s $88 million ceiling. Doing the same calculations with the other two players, Lafrenière’s contract in 2027-28 will be the equivalent of a $5.77 million AAV contract in an $88 million cap world, and Borgen’s will be the equivalent of a $3.18 million AAV deal. Both of those seem palatable.” So, does Drury now get done credit for those signings, especially Shesty?

DREW: I'm not worried about the Islanders. Talent wise they cannot match the Rangers (although given where these teams are in the standings that doesn't necessarily mean anything), their team is old and their farm system very weak. That said, more futures for rental moves by Dreary by the deadline and that landscape changes. Dreary is on the precipice of plunging the Rangers into several years of mediocrity IMO. He needs to be extremely careful about his next moves, both now and up to the deadline and then in the off-season. He's risking undoing much of the good Gorton accomplished.

shonuff - like you said - require roughly a 7 game win streak. Which is how the Islanders are back in and without Barzal beat the Knights. I hate HATE HATE to say it but they are a better team than us and after watching the World Juniors, and seeing how much space they will have next year, I think 2020, 2021 DREW may make a return (tdchi, RF4L - get your posts ready)

In regard to 3rd line.... I've mentioned him before, but go get Nick Bjugstad. He had a handshake deal with prior Coyotes ownership that he wouldn't get moved during the 1st year of his contract(he was tired of always being moved at the deadline)... I don't think it still applies.... I also believe he's been mostly playing RW for Utah this season. He should not be too expensive. Maybe they be interested in doing a SMITH for Bjugstad deal? ....Kick the tires.

Big game tonight agasint a Bruin team coming off another Big Win....Who wants the game more,,Bruins or the Ranger vets???..From here on out, with so many teams fighting for the 2 wild card slots, every single game is the biggest game of the season..And, no, I don't think the Rangers have much of a chance of winning a PO series, but still like to see them make it without any more "buying"

So Kaliyev and (YAWN) Jones the extras tonight. Sure didn't take long to get the former on the Libor Hajek bus.

Now if you can pry Ryan Leonard off of the Caps that would be fabulous but I cannot see it happening unless it's something like Kreider and Schneider for Leonard and another piece.

You what team might be interested in acquiring Kreider? Washington. Kreider for this kid please: https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603591/andrew-cristall

KIS - I am with you on SCHNEIDER, one of my fave Rangers...His hadnling, ice time managemnt, partners have been so chaotic and uneven the past fgew years ,,and now he's been relegated to 3rd pair..Poor handling in my eyes

CM - Yep, I am as probably as far from a youth monger as there is on the Wall..but by dealing two big, former cornerstone, young forwards plus a good young D-man for a hohum 29 year old 2nd-3rd pair D-man (that was a pending UFA) and the over 30 year old JT Miller (who I like)..mmakes this team quite old..and with young er guys getting even less tme...Your 5 TOP forwarsds 31 and getting older....That's a recipe for diaster when you look in the HARTFORD and there really is nothing but two GNATS..Only PERRAULT really brings promise (and he willl have to play next yea)....The only way this is not a disaster going forward is if DRURY has plans to recoup some of these assets...It's mandatory that it starts with the likes of LINDGREN, SMITH, VAAKANINEN, VESEY...But those are all small potatoes...What matters is what DRURY does with the Three big Kahunas.......Personally, I think Krieder (who I want to keep) and one of Panarina or ZBAD must be dealt....all for near term and long term future and changing the way the team plays the game

If the entire coaching staff ( especially Housley is not fired after this season we are in a for a Lindy Ruff scenario .

Looking at the standings and the famous 1 point for OF loss .. this season is done . For the Rangers to jump into a playoff spot this would require roughly a 7 game win streak but probably 8. Considering Zib , Kreider and Lindgren are having the worst seasons of their careers and Fox not being the pre contract Fox , along with IGoR up and down it is over. The defensive coverage will simply not allow them to have a long winning streak . I am watching the rest of this season to see how they are set up for the future .

Anybody else think schneider would be further along in his development. Not a bad defensemen, i thought he would be better. I thought he would be more physical. Everybody called him Trouba light. Yet he doesnt hit many people. Is he too small. I thought with his skating ability he would create more offense. Does that not happy because of his rold or lack of time. I expected more from the kid by now

Rhet: I read somewhere about the Fortescue piece, too. Interesting and if true, encouraging. There are so few true assets in the organization beyond the immediate team IMO Dreary cannot afford to let any of them go. It does limit his trading fodder however.

So we used to have one of the youngest teams in the league. But now our forwards are mostly over 30: We have 4 33 year olds (Panarin, Kreider, Smith,Carrick) and 5 31 year olds (Zib, Miller, Tro, VEsey, Brodz) and then the remaining are all 24 or younger (LAff, Cuylle, Kaliyev, Rempe,Edstrom). On the positive side, we now have a pretty young D-Corp intheir prime with Borgen being hte oldest at 28, 3 26 year olds and a 23, 24 and 25 year old. Our goalies are obviously 29 and 39 so that doesn't help our average age. I'm thinking Lindgren and Kreider and maybe Vesey are out of here at the deadline.

So, the rumors are that this is our 1st line going forward (confirmed by Lavi too). So much so that Drury is reportedly looking for a new 3rd line center. We're also looking for more than just a rental.... In regard to the JTM trade: reportedly, the Canucks were demanding Drew Fortescue first(was that the reason for the hold up?). The Red Wings were involved, but they didn't have the cap space we do and needed VAN to take back equal cap space. The CANUCKS didn't want to do that and it also allegedly hurt another team that was in on on the bidding. Getting a 3rd team in would also cost extra assets for them, so it gave us an advantage.Apparently, the Marcus Petterson deal was on the back burner for them the whole time.... I don't understand what Vancouver is doing. You trade a center, you get the biggest return back as possible. You know, one deal at a time. I feel bad for their fans.

E: I totally disagree. All of Chytil KK and Laf have been held back in favour of the older higher paid forwards. Laf still can't get real time on the PP. If Hughes didn't get premium icetime in his first year it might have been for the first month. Every kid drafted first (or even second and third) gets premium icetime from the get-go. Except in New York.

TD: Respectfully a few points: Enough with the excuses about ice time. Yeah it matters but if a guy is really that good he is going to make the most of whatever minutes he gets. Look at Jack Hughes. He did not get top line minutes right away either but he forced his way up because he was that dynamic.and we never have the benefit of a certain thing. The ability to evaluate a guy in practice. Laviolette is watching these guys minute to minute. If a player is not making an impact in ten to twelve minutes during the game what exactly is going to change if you bump them up to eighteen. And this idea that the Rangers never give young players chances is ridiculous. Cuylle is playing top six at times. Lafrenière is finally getting real minutes and guess what. He is actually doing something with them. Including PP. You think this team would just sit a kid who is lighting it up for no reason. They want to win. They are not holding players back just to be difficult. Also saying only the Kakko line and the fourth line have been good this year is a stretch. Zibanejad and Kreider might not be at their best but they are still producing. Trocheck has been one of the most consistent guys on the team. But furthermore, these are also the guys who have always gotten it done so you know they can do it. As a coach what’s your option? Sit them? Sure you could do that. But what will that do? You gotta play them thru it until it just aint gonna happen. I dont know how to evaluate that. But maybe its gone on too long at times but no the iopportunity deficit you describe Let’s not act like the entire top six has been useless.And let’s pump the brakes on Edström earned top six minutes. Over who. Panarin. Trocheck. Even Lafrenière. He has been solid but let’s not pretend he has been dominant. As for Kakko and Chytil suddenly playing better after the trade. Sometimes a fresh start helps a player. That does not mean they were being held back here. If they were that good they would have earned moreminutes in New York. Simple as that. Ice time is important but it is not the only thing that matters. The best plyers find their way up one way or another.

DREW: I've been posting about this for a while now - the lack of picks in the upcoming 3 drafts coupled with the fact that half of the forwards including most of the offensive skill is over 30 likely means another rebuild is on the horizon (re within the next few years). All fine and dandy if a cup is realized before that but how realistic is that?

This is likely going to be tough to display in the Wall format. As we talk about trades and possible returns. As of today, the Rangers do not have a 1st or 2nd this year. We have 2 in the 6th round. Their picks in 3, 4, and 5 are not their own, they are through trades. We actually do not have our own picks. Just a note.....in 2026, we may not have a 1st if the conditions aren't met this year. We only have a 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th. The same holds true for 2027 with our first. I really hope the Rangers can stockpile picks. Here is a site that lays them out rather nicely.....https://puckpedia.com/team/new-york-rangers

FWIW I think it's not unreasonable to anticipate Kreider fetching a low first and a decent prospect at the deadline given he's got another year after this on his contract. And if Dreary eats say 1/3 of his salary that prospect becomes grade A quality. Or should but given Dreary's trading record, who the hells knows.

Kreider's self proclaimed back issues and (related?)drop off in performance have made him difficult to move. If Drury moves him the return could be meager. 2nd rounder and mid level prospect. They may do better waiting until the deadline next year if they can't geta 1st rounder for him.

Hospo - agree about not worrying about JT Miller. He looks like he’ll be just fine for the next few seasons, setting a good example forks this game should be played with physicality & passion. Also agree that it’s the futures of Z & Kreider that are more worry some. If Z does not show a marked improvement & chemistry with JT Miller, I am certain Drury will ask him to waive his NTC…but, he won’t do that until the summer. I think Kreider is gonna be gone at the trade deadline.

Wildcard - C'mon dude. You're ignoring a whole lot of the game of hockey if you think that a player in a bottom line role has even half the opportunity as someone getting top six minutes. Yeah, of course it's on the player to perform. But here's the thing: If you're on third line and you're being deployed in a checking role...and your coach is telling you to play dump and chase...basically using you to rest his top six...you're gonna tell me...with a straight face...that a guy on that line has just as much of a shot to make it as someone who is on the ice for 18-20 minutes a night with time on the first PP unit? C'mon meow. That's preposterous...and it's interesting that you bring up EDSTROM and the fourth line...because if we're going on merit alone, that kid has MORE than earned a shot in the top nine...if not the top six. He's done everything right...and what is his ATOI? Just over nine minutes...There are SOME teams that purse out ice a hell of a lot more equitably...and where I'd say a guy in the bottom six does have at least a fighting chance of earning his way up...but news flash: The Rangers ain't one of those teams. And for three coaches now, the bottom two lines are marginalized to the point that it doesn't really matter how well they play...they're gonna get the same ice...and if it's the fourth line, sometimes even less. I'll go a step farther too and say that the ONLY two lines that have been remotely effective this season have been REMPE/VESEY-CARRICK-EDSTROM and KAKKO-CHYTIL-CUYLLE. That's it. The rest have sucked rather regularly...well here we are in February and two of those players aren't even here any more and the bottom line? Still scrapping to get over nine minutes a night...and you think this is how to cultivate a young player? Hey, but why stop there...KAKKO already has more points in Seattle than he did all season in New York. Did he suddenly snap to attention? Did the trade jar something loose? Or...or...OR...is he getting FOUR MINUTES MORE ICE TIME ON TOP LINE...Hey! Fil CHYTIL had a goal in his first game as a Canuck. Want to hear something crazy? His FIRST GAME as a Canuck, he skated more minutes than ever before in his career. First game. So don't give me this nonsense about a player holds his entire destiny in his hands. Yeah, he holds some of it. The rest is dictated by how he's deployed. And the Rangers hardly ever give young players those choice assignments...You look at what the Sens did with STUTZLE and then what the Rangers did with LAFRENIERE...Both teams were "rebuilding" supposedly...yet one team took their start player and gave him TONS of ice...the other dithered...went through two coaches and only after an injury did they finally decide to give him top six minutes...

RF4L - Now look at where they were LAST season. A major part of that is FOX going from 17 goals to in 72 games to on-pace for five in 82 games...but still...it's a significant change. You think about that and how many one-games there are in a season...you start to see how and why the Rangers are an average to below average team, when last year they were dominating.

Here's a shitty stat. With 16 goals the Rangers are 2nd last in the league for goals by the defense.

CM - Does Panarina really bring in money? I don't know, if he does, it is probably a pittance.....He does have a NMC but other players have had NMCs and have been moved so it is possible..Why he might be the guy to deal, if possible, is tat he will fetch the most by far.....Hey, If Drury can treat Goodrow, Troubs nd Kreids like he has in the past year , why not poutface Panarina? Just saying it's possible if DRURYb really wants to change the identity and jettison much of the E-W bullshit

Bread sells tickets. Bread sells Merch. Bread produces even when he sucks. Bread has a full NMC. Bread is not going anywhere no matter how much he drives a lot of fans crazy. If you just accept him for what he is, your life will be less stressful! Z&K are easier and much more likely to trade.

The only thing we can do is keep winning and let the rest sort itself out. You never know.

Saw an interview with Dolan on the Knicks from years ago ironically he doesn't at all sound like a moron. He speaks and articulates quite well. I am guessing he just doesn't care about the rangers.

The way the Sens, Wings and BJ’s are playing keeps making it a tougher road for the Rangers making the playoffs….Really need to have these next three games….

JFC - Not worried about JT and his contract..the one that worries me is ZBAD's which is full NMC one year longer and the way he plays the game in an East that has gone bigger and heavier...Hopefully he can be revitalized the next 40 games and Drury can find a way to move hime

Not sure if this has been mentioned but the NYR's have a lot of interest in San Jose Sharks D Mario Ferraro. A physical D on the right side of 30. It only took Drury 4 seasons to finally add physicality by a trade deadline. That said, it's kind of hard to replace a guy like Trouba. Very few players hit like he does. He has that knack for taking it right up to the line without being illegal..... ALSO: Sorry to hear about the Edstrom news today. He was having such a solid rookie season. Let's hope we play long enough that he makes ti back. The lone bright side is that Jimmy Vesey will certainly get to play more.

Guys, remember…JT’s contract becomes a LIMITED no-trade contract after the ‘26-‘27 season and a buyout also becomes way less onerous.

VCP - Yeah, I'm kinda hoping also..hoping that's how Drury sees it..OTOH experience from the last two years doesn't give me much hope where DRURY is concerned....but that's all we have

Ref24 exactly my point although on a loaded team panarin could be effective with too many players to check ? Kreider too maybe this environment has been wrong for years geeeee what a shock

Hospo I hope your correct but how many years does JT have left I would think 2-3 solid years ??? Not 5 or 6.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/04/sports/j-t-miller-the-latest-rangers-first-rounder-to-get-second-chance/

VCP/DREW/WILD - I don't think Miller was brought in to make and win the POs this year..I think DRURY brought him in to change (or start to change)the core and identity of the team for the next 5 years...I could be wrong but I think he will also be open to dealing any but not all of Kreider , ZBAD and Panarina between now and the summer with the possible returns dictating who and when..Just my take

Ref24: Really? Kreider has shown that? Let's just forget the hat trick last year. Let's just look at the fact, fact mind you, that he has scored goals in the post season at a rate less that .1 goals less than guy like Gilbert, and Mess and Graves. He has the second-best shooting percentage in Ranger's playoff history, tied for the most shorthanded goals with Mess at 3. I think he has shown that he is quite capable of performing on the biggest stage

The hard part about being sellers at the deadline is that 10, 20 and 93 have already shown they are not strong playoff players.

td: You miss the part where he earned that spot in VAN by being a guy they couldn't hold back from being there. This idea that coaches hold players back is asinine. They don't. Their entire paycheck revolves around the team winning. Why do you think Cuylle made the roster last year over a vet? ANd speaking of Cuylle, his ice time has gone up because he has forced that to happen. Edstrom pushed Vesey out of the lineup along with Rempe. JT didn't get more ice time because he wasn't capable of taking it. Thats it.

DREW - I'm not going to disagree with Wildcard, per se...I know for a fact that MILLER, his first time around, wasn't a model citizen...but I did want to take a different perspective...And I don't think it's mutually exclusive from the one he's pushing. MILLER, as a Ranger, never really got the type of ice or assignment he needed to become the player he is today. He was trending that way, but his time was largely spent on third line, and as a winger really up until the season he was traded. Then he got the assignment that, ironically, CHYTIL just vacated. The point? Like so many young Rangers to come after him, he was bounced around from one spot to the next, up and down from Hartford, in and out of the lineup...I can say, without a doubt, he is a MUCH different player now. Back then? He was an arrogant little shit. Always reaching for the million dollar move instead of simply playing a north-south game. THAT is the big difference today, aside from the fact that he's about 20 pounds bigger and an absolute freight train on the ice...But what happened...the moment his career took off? Yeah, it was the second Vancouver handed him a role and let him run with it...I can't even BEGIN to tell you how critical this is for young players' development...or for any player...I get some of the reasons the Rangers tend to do this...strange enough, I think the one-two punch of the disasters that were Manny MALHOTRA and Dan BLACKBURN really changed the organization in a way they made a conscious decision to NOT throw young players into big roles...obviously there are outliers, but it seems like almost all young players are given this low-pressure role these days and really for decades now...and MILLER was no exception...but sometimes that's not what a kid needs...sometimes you get guys who THIRST as role with the spotlight, and I think HE was one of those players...so I do wonder what would've happened...I think he would be the same player if the Rangers had done what the Canucks did...but failing that? I think you would've seen him follow a similar path as KAKKO did...always a decent player...never great...but the second he's move to a prime time spot? BOOM goes the dynamite.

DREW: I could see Panarin being moved at the deadline. If he wants another big contract (cap wise not length wise) Drury could allow his agent to talk to other teams, and with a deal in place his value goes way up over what it would be as a pending UFA. That would happen of course if they have contract talks this summer and they are way far apart. I do however think that they wouldn't pull the trigger on that until after the season started, because as the season moves along teams will be gaining cap space, and wouldn't have to carry that cap all year just to get to the lesser next contract cap hit.

Hospo and Wildcard - I didn't realize Panarin's final year is 2025-26. I agree with Wildcard, I don't see Panarin being moved. I think he has a full no move clause so he would have to waive.

hospo if no mandate to make the playoffs then why JT who joins a core of 30+. Maybe dolan is tooo stupid to talk LOLOLO does he even know how to speak i wonder

Hospo (or anyone) - following up on the roster re-make. If the Rangers can deal a defenseman, if it isn't Zac Jones, then Jones can get back in the line-up. Is there anyone on the farm that can fill a role if a vet is moved?

Hospo: I don't see Bread going. But the other two perhaps, depending on how they and the team do the rest of the way this year. But I also don't think that either or any of those 3 would even be discussed before the summer. I think there is a big difference in what the returns will be now and after team have UFAs come off the cap. And it will open up teams who are looking to add for more than a quick run.

VCP - Ya know, I not sure I believe DRURY has a mandate to make the POs..My gut feeling is that he is on a mission to remake the core and the team but not go into a rebuild.....I can see over the next month dealing players like Lindgren (UFA), Smith, Vaakainen (UFA), Vesey for assets in any event ....Now, what he does with KREIDER is a biggie and i think he will if he can bring back a primo young player or pick(s).....I also think one of ZBAD Or Panarina will be gone by the Summer

Vescey doesn't really have as much intensity..edstrom seems to have more when needed... I am guessing Dolan said to Drury make the playoffs or goodbye as others here have said...that's the mandate it seems .

TDCHI - Gonna be harder for REMPS without EDSTROM, the two made a good pair together working the offensive zone....Just like it has been much harder for Cuylle to be as complete a player as as he was when he and KAKKAO were controlling the offenesive zone before Lavvy/Drury put an end to that..Maybe we'll soon see Vesey-Brodz-AK34 as a 4th line?

RF4L - Tell you what: When there was this review of the cancer JT MILLER is, based on whatever went down with PETTERSSON and the rest of the Canucks...I think Luke SCHENN as another one puked out...and how a guy like that could rankle TOCCHET...I was thinking to myself how invisible PETTERSSON has been...not just for a few games...a few months...but now two seasons. Guy went from being electric to...well...not being very good. I don't think I even recognized him when the Rangers played them last...It's not to say he's some pariah...but giving a kid THAT young PANARIN money over the long haul? That didn't strike me as very smart.

Wildcard - That is interesting. Thank you. As fans, we grow impatient so I am certain that he would have frustrated us at some point. His numbers make him a star in this league. Every move in the NHL and in sports has the domino effect. I am certainly interested and a bit encouraged that he is part of the core the next few years. I think there are more trades to be made but I also think Drury is waiting on where the team before the deadline on March 7. If it looks like we are in striking distance of a playoff spot or in a playoff spot, I think a depth move is coming. If the playoffs seem to be a long shot, I would think Lindgren and some other vets would be traded to recoup draft picks. I am not sure if we have any assets that can net us a first (maybe a conditional first?)

That's a real bummer, re: EDSTROM. That tweak didn't even look that bad. That said, VESEY is a very good player. Maybe not the imposing one EDDIE is...but he's at least as good offensively...I still have some overarching concerns about REMPE as the games get tighter...but I guess now is the time to see if he can play with consistency...and maybe earn a little bit of the sacred holier-than-thou trust LAVIOLETTE seems to apply to everyone not making more than $4 million annually.

https://thehockeynews.com/news/can-we-request-a-refund-on-the-miller-trade-after-just-two-games-canucks-fans-are-already-souring-on-pettersson

DREW: JT miller during an interview, maybe 3 or 4 years back now if not longer, after a really great season in VAN, said that what had changed was his offseason work ethic, and his off-ice work. He said that before he was traded, then when he was traded that the Rangers gave him some advice about improving his game, and some of the issues they had with him, then when Tampa traded him, they had said the same things (I got the impression he was talking about end of seasons stuff then when he got trades as well) He said it was hearing the same things from two different teams and being traded he knew in part because of those things, that made he realize he needed to change. So, from that it seems that the shock of not being seen as a must hold onto player by two teams, that he in fact did not know better than the teams did. He didn't say it that way, but that was how it came across. He went out after that and busted his ass; did the things he needed to and was rewarded. It stands to reason that had he not been traded, and in fact traded a second time being told some of the same things, that he would not have reached his potential. Of course, maybe something else would have triggered him. But it may have taken longer.

Bob/TD: I always knew it was gonna be a long night when we agreed to meet pre-game at the Blarney Stone, the drinks began flowing and before we knew it somebody realized that we were still there and the puck had already dropped across the street at MSG.

Bob - LOL 32 oz. pails of beer?!? Man, I tell you what: We need sporting events to get back to what they were in the 1980s! LOL. Man, it's crazy to think at one point, they kept serving through the game instead of the damn cutoff after the second intermission! THAT SAID...I've never had much problem...I think I've told all of these stories before here...but some of my fondest moments at the Garden are steeped heavily in drink. My first was being there as a youth with my dad watching the US Olympic team play the CCCP's D-squad...and this ABSOLUTELY HAMMERED guy bellowing on and on about Brian LEETCH...10 years later and obviously pre-9-11, I remember walking in the Garden with a buddy fresh off a plane from a two-month stint bumming arond Europe...all of our worldly possessions, a few blocks of hash and bottles of liquor in tow...nobody batted an eye...and then post-lockout, I used wear cargo shorts and load up the pockets with 20 oz. beers...get four of them in there usually...then with metal detectors, that switched to plastic bottles of liquor...a practice that fortunately for me, did not last very long...several games didn't really make sense because they effectively ended after 40 minutes...So...probably good they don't sell those pails any more!

Drew...Clowe scored in his first game as a New York Rangers player. During the first and second it's a mission when interviewed he said that he had not slept in over 24 hours and was playing on fumes

DREW - Let me check with who is in charge "up There" and see if they can run some extra out of the loop simulations with or without JT Miller as a Ranger! :)..But I hear ya about the coming back to earth...the trick is to find consistency...To me, the jolt on Sunday after the stink on Saturday is meaningless..unless the team finds some kind of structure and consistency while winning ALL of the next 3 games (Bos, Pit, CBJ) against teams they should beat

Do you guys think JT Miller would have been the same player he is now had he stayed with the Rangers? One of my friends is a Jets fan and is also 50, we always talk about the 83 draft with Elway, Kelly and Marino. Would Dan Marino be the same player with the Jets than he was with Miami, had they opted for him over Kenny O'Brien? So if Miller stayed in 2018, does he eventually develop into the player he is now? (I guess we could have said the same for Kovalev and Nedved). I am not even sure if it's a question that can be answered. Would JT have frustrated anyone here or did he need to step away from this organEYEzation to reach his potential? JT certainly gave us a shot in the arm but a big trade should do that - remember the 2013 deadline when we traded for Clowe and then the Columbus trade where we got Brassard, John Moore and Dorsett? That trade happened mid afternoon and they were in the lineup that night. I think Brassard and Clowe had huge games against the Penguins that night. One point being is that this "shot in the arm" is going to come back down to Earth.

RF4L/BOB - been saying that for awhile, it only improves the chemistry of the team/lockerroom, keeps everybody fresh, and makes things a bit more competitive internally....Oh well, Not Lard Ass's style..

Really sucks about ESDTROM..Bright side is he will be ready for the 1st round PO match with Washington or FLA.!!!.ANyways, he Started using his size so much more with REMPSS, if even a little before.....One of the few forwards that play physical...so, it is a loss......Time for Vesey to step up....................or Call up the BO Groux guys (for TDCHI)...or just play CUYLLE with Carrick and REMPS. and let OTHman skate with the Great Johnny BRODZ and Kreider!.....

Too bad on Edstrom - having a solid bottom 6 rookie season. He seems to get long term injuries frequently...no?

From mollie walker. Edstrom out 2/12-3 months. Wonder what happened. Knee ligaments?

Difficult to understand why they don’t shuffle guys in and out to get them some games. Make them feel like a part of the team.

Why do the Rangers hire coaches who refuse to shuffle in and out of the lineup the 'black aces'? DQ didn't do that and neither did GG and we know Lardiolette certainly doesn't. Just bad roster management. This team is headed for another rebuild. Half of their forwards are over 30, their farm team sucks (again) and due to Dreary's incompetence, and in the next 3 drafts out of 21 possible picks they have 16 that includes a traded away first and no seconds. And it's virtually a guarantee more of the remaining picks will be flitted away for minimal return. It's not if but when will this team floundering away with the lottery brigade.

RF4L - Yep, low trade value from bad handling and pure injury insurance becausee he is the only D-man in the entire organization that can step in and replace missing offense/movement when Fox gets hurt..

Another example of Dreary's incompetence is the Zac Jones situation. The kid hasn't played in weeks yet hasn't been traded despite reports that he's available. Why is he still a Ranger? No doubt because of the inexplicable way he's been handled has dropped his value to way less than he should be worth if he was being used properly. Libor Hajek II. This is a franchise that simply doesn't seem to learn from its mistakes.

Stevie - a desperate GM who has zero trading ability or negotiation skills to boot. That’s a scary place to be as a fan. Make no mistake….this franchise is interested in playoffs, not Cups. Thanks to our little man owner. Fish rots from the head down. I’m rooting for T. Wilson beat down on Panarin….please let it be so. Anything to get rid of this guy, please. I hate him almost admire than Sather at this point, which I never thought would be possible

DD drury will do anything to make the playoffs, including firing his coach. I’m pretty sure he’s told his coach playoffs or bust. And he will make more moves to try to get there. His future depends on it. Dolan wants the income and the ability to raise his prices for next season. But it’s not good to have a desperate gm who thinks the changing the core excuse is priority number one. Having a team with chemistry should be number one. The mercenary culture has plagued this team for too long.

Coaching future?…https://nypost.com/2025/02/03/sports/inside-jonathan-quicks-road-to-historic-400-win-milestone-from-those-who-know-him-best/

As we all know, the Regular season is pre season anything can happen in the playoffs. Just go to get invited to the dance! Home ice is a disadvantage.

JT isn't enough. We need D and another forward , but especially D . I think the pair of fox and Lindgren needs to be gone and need another pair .. guess I am crazy... 2 smallish guys one is slow as mud guess who that is...

TD…..I got drunk once at the Garden. It was in the Kate 80’s on St. Patrick’s Day against the Flyers. They used to sell those 32 ounce pails of beer and I had one during warmups, one during the first period. One in the second and by the 3rd I was dizzy. Of course there was a huge brawl and the Rangers won the game 9-3, but I don’t remember the 3rd period or the bus ride home. I do remember that Reilly Ruotsalainen was in one of the fights. He was jumping up trying to hit the Flyers player. That’s about all I remember,

And that's why we got Marcel Dionne and Captain Crunc..err Mr. Soggy Gilles Marotte years ago..!!

Zetterland is extremely good at reverse checking, you hit him, he sends you flying. Because he’s built like a fire hydrant.

Wow, pretty darn early to be rosterbating all over the place for next years team!.Let's just see how they fare in the three games of this week to gauge how much of a seller, if any, DRURY might be....For long term DRURY has to know with dealing both KAKKAO and CHYTIL he will need a 1 or 2 signifivant young NHL ready forwards (no I am not counting on BERARD or OTHMAN0..but maybe PERAULT)..How and when, I don't know..The HOSPODAMUS crystal ball is shut down after missing JT MILLER's arrival by ONE GAME!

5'11 215 or 220 isn't small...pat verbeek I would take him on my team along with theo flurry and Pavel bure

HOSPO: Zetterlund won’t be moved unless it’s something serious. Besides. He’s to small for VCP to be a winner

Where's DREW? :-) https://nypost.com/2025/02/03/sports/mat-barzal-out-indefinitely-for-islanders-in-potential-injury-disaster/

DREW - LOL, man, I tell you what: I killed a sixer before the game, had a pint and a shot and was feeling no pain when they went down 2-1...I was like FUCK IT. If this is how it's going? Let's get banged up. I dove head first into beers and a vape pen that was circulating and I was barely conscious when the GTG went in! But man, then it all happened....I'm like WTF. I was really getting ready to start bellowing about LAVIOLETTE too! So yeah, I mighta seen him. I mighta also met the goddamn king of England last night too. My buddy had to send our group a 'proof of life' pic after he sherpa'd me to the train.

wildcard - "Vesey had no team, nothing, he was not wanted by anyone. Couldn't get a contract..." <--who says? I guess you could make that assumption. But you're also not taking into consideration that he wanted to be back in New York. Regardless, his treatment at the hands of LAVIOLETTE has been rather shitty. It's one thing to say 'OK, young guys are getting more minutes...c'est la vie.' But truth is, VESEY got replaced so that REMPE could ride pine for 55 minutes, which is BS. And then when a very clear opening came around with CHYTIL getting traded, LAVY handed it to BRODZINSKI. In BOTH instances, the Rangers scratched the more talented and more useful player. So yeah, it's kinda bullshit how he's been treated. The bigger bullshit is that VESEY is underutilized and underappreciated. We got a guy who would score 20-30 points with limited minutes and could be a great PKer who is rotting away just because the idiot coach needs to stack up a line.

I think Drury should call his buddy Mike Grier and see what it would cost to get Nico Sturm and Mario Ferraro out of San Jose. If they can move Lindgren, I think Ferraro is an upgrade. He's a solid minute muncher with a good first pass. Sturm is a great skater, good size, and defensively responsible. I think Kreider should be moved up with Zib and Miller and Panarin back to Trochek's wing to spread things out a bit. Kreider-Miller-Zibanejad, Panarin-Trochek-Lafrenier, Cyulle-Sturm-Smith, Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe, Ferraro-Fox, Miller-Borgen, Vaakanainen-Schneider.

That said, presuming KALIYEV is qualified, and REMPE, EDSTROM and CUYLLE are resigned...the Rangers only have two free forward spots as of now: SMITTY Jr. and VESEY. And you have to think OTHMANN has the inside track to one of them, with BERARD taking the other. So if you're thinking about a wing coming over at the deadline? Think again.

Trading BERARD would be the height of stupidity. Trading ANYONE on an ELC right now would be stupid. With MILLER and BORGEN, and the SHESTY/LAFRENIERE signings, the Rangers have officially pissed away every bit of cap they saved moving CHYTIL, KAKKO and TROUBA. They went from being in a really good cap space to being essentially fucked again. They're gonna need to replace SMITTY Jr. with someone on an ELC, for sure. Either that or find a way to move on from ZIBANEJAD.

Teams don't trade guys like ZETTERLUND and LAFEREIERE unless there is someone big going back the other way. We're talking an established star...I mean, shit...look at what the Sharks had to trade to GET the guy in the first place. They sure as shit ain't moving him for SMITTY Jr. or some other minor piece. You could probably start that deal with Gabe PERREAULT and OTHMANN. And if you're stomach isn't turning yet...Anywho...I strongly doubt DRURY does much more. He's overloaded with forwards at this point. Having two of BRODZINSKI, VESEY and KALIYEV riding pine is pretty ridiculous. Doesn't seem to be any appetite to bench or demote REMPE...I think if DRURY does chase a deadline deal, it'll be a LHS defenseman...someone big and bruising. Could see LAUZON from the Preds. Vancouver's SOUCEY would check a lot of boxes. Maybe even our old friend Brady SKJEI.

Trading berard is ok y me too small , sorry not fast enough. Good speed not rocket fast otherwise maybe keep him..theo flurry he ain't, Obama vure he ain't...

Dreary best move would be to selloff this summer. ...unless we don't make the playoffs then do it sooner.

MF please get REAL.. yes he has determination and engagement in the regular season. In the playoffs if he has no room he doesn't produce. He throws the puck away like a hand grenade....unsure what your watching...even regular season games against the more physical teams he runs away from contact..heck he is only about 170-175 pounds.

andrei: You forget about OT losses. Like I said 18-6-6 gets them 96 points. Imagine if they go 17-4-9, that gives them 94 points. Lots of ways to lose their way in with the NHL points system as it is. Hell, that is why some of the teams are ahead of them right now.

Rangers have 9 total games against teams in the wildcard hunt or in a WC spot right now, the rest of the season. If they can get most of those 18 points, they really make their chances better.

rf4L, not 18, Rangers need to get 40 points, so we are looking at 20-10 split. 94 points is an average to make the playoffs past few years. Could be 96-98 points, if other teams continue to win, so that split could be 22-8.

mf: I would hesitate on Berard. He is a guy you want around. Unless a good young player comes back in return. Like if Buf demands Berard be part of a trade for Cozens (depending on the other pieces) you might have to give him up.

rf4L: MUCH crazier things have happened. And that's only what they need to be the case if they made the top WC spot and only if the other teams keep it up. Seeing as how there are teams ahead of them that have been playing way above and some with major injury issues. Now this isn't to say I'm running out to bet the house on the Rangers making the playoffs. But 5 points out with 60 points to go or there about for each team...it's not impossible. Only really really difficult. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the teams ahead of them play each other. They may just need 18 or 19 wins and a OT loss, that may give them the tier breakers. I know, it's not an easy road. But 96 points may do it, that's 18-6-6 THats only slightly better than their last 10 game run which extrapolated over the last 30 games would be 15-9-6. that's just a 1 game improvement each 10 game stretch the rest of the way...and they end with 96 points. CBus and DET are on a season long pace of 91 points. Tampa 93, Boston 88, and the Islanders 86. Now the Rangers are on a season long pace of 85, I know, but I am talking about moving forward. They played near the bottom of the NHL for a month and a half, so it's about how they play going forward, and the teams "around" them play. And how they play against those teams especially. It's not as out of reach as it may look at first glance...though again, still a hell of a job...and there is a very good chance that if they make that slog, that they won't have much left once the post season starts. SO, the real question might be, would that sort of effort be worth it?

I'd deal Jones, Smith, Lindgren, Vesey, maybe Bret Berard... Resign K'Miller.. Now with JT Miller here, I would NOT trade Kreider, Mika, or Panarin... As for the PANARIN critics, maybe go back and rewatch his history up the ranks and about the poverty he overcame through his youth. His second hand skates and second hand pads, protection, and uniforms. This is no soft finesse player, this guys a competitor putting up big numbers. With the newly rediscovered heightened physicality of the roster, I'm anticipating Panarin to flourish. Pipe dream? No! Rangerfan? YUUUUPPP

RF4L - Gonna be hard to do, but it should be a wild ride for us fans..and the WALL! After this idiotic 4 nations Cup Break..the shedule is jam packed..like a game every other day....To me, Rangers made their Big move for winning ..go with it....no more unless you can get a cheap 3rd pair physical D-man.....OTOH go ahead and deal Vesey, Vaakaninen (UFA to be), SMith, Lindgren (UFA to be) a few others..but those deal won't net much....The deals that could are if they deal some of KREIDER, PANARINA, OR ZSOFT for more significant players/assets either before the deadline or this summer....DRURY has to have that in mind,

Yeah let's load up on picks where we aren't drafting in the top 10. How about a little more emphasis on the waiver wire where the players have some NHL experience but need individualized coaching to get back on their path to full potential? Geezus-Manichevitz, can we sprinkle a little optimism into the equation? Maybe a little fabric softener in the skivvies is in order! :-)

RF: Don't forget to factor in the amount of games that our competitors need to win. The competitors lose enough games, we can back in. Cheers!

If Igor is Igor they can. No game is easy for them anymore and with Kreider-JBrod and Cuylle that like is neutered. Looks like they need another center now. Maybe they can get Ryan O’Reilly at the deadline.

Does anyone realistically believe the Rangers will be able to win 20 out of their final 30 games? To date they've won 25 of 52 games which is less than half. Now they have to win 66% until the end of the regular season. Their next 6 games they face Shitsburg twice, Barfalo, Columbus, Boston and the Iholes once each. Not exactly the elite of the league so winning 4 of those isn't unfeasible IF they play like they should. That's one very massive IF AFAIC. They come out of that stretch 3 and 3 for me that's it - they'll have 24 games left and will need to 18 of them, which is almost laughable to believe would happen. If that's the case, then selling off all the pending UFAs must occur for picks up to the deadline and hope they don't end up 17th or 18th overall!

If we were close to winning it sure, but we ain't close, Vegas, Florida, canes, caps are all superior teams, winning a game in regular season is ok for points, otherwise meaningless

While I do love what JT Miller brings and am all for the trade, I have a hard time reading anything into one period last night. agasint a team that has been reeling, losing like 8 out of 10...However I did like them bouncing back from the putrid effort the day before...Still, .The only way last night's 3rd period means anything at all is if they beat BOTH BOS and Pitt.........And really, is Lard Ass gonna stick with something like Johny BRODZ as a 3rd center???..OTOH, is there any other option in the organization if you are convinced to play JT with the two softies??

JT !iller has changed the team. Will it be enough? Not likely. But that was the most physical game they have played in quite awhile……against a team that is huge and always plays that way. The 3rd period the Rangers were very good, the line that wasn’t was the JBro line….and if this is the way the Rangers will go the rest of the way then they are still one center short. That Cuylle hit…….wow! All,of,a,sudden the Rangers are going to the net now. And of all people……Mika.

tdchi - if you saw a handspome 17 year old with a brand new Trocheck jersey - that was DREW Jr - when he got home he showed me that he got it signed by JT Miller's best friend Vincent.

Was at the game last night and MAN. If you still don't think JT MILLER is everything this team needed, you're not watching close enough. The guy is a human wrecking ball. Like he's on a different level than when he was here the first time. Just always throwing hits. Big ones. And ALWAYS going hard to the net...And I will also say, his attitude is infectious...Rangers seemed a lot more physical than they have in the past...I get folks don't like the term...and maybe when he's 35-36, he'll look like KREIDER does now...but right now? My lord. This dude is showing ZERO signs of slowing down. Shit, he looks a hell of a lot more animated than he was as a friggin' 24 year old.

And why Dreary didn't ensure a non-PO finish meant they kept the pick is more weak negotiating on his part, something he's clearly made of a habit of doing.

Rangers have 30 games left - given where they sit today, they'll need to win at least 18 and probably more of them to get in. You know what will happen - they'll miss by like 2 or 3 points and end up finishing 17th or 18th and then we can watch Shitsburgh use the Ranger pick to draft a future star.

Puckyou ahhhh ok ...hmmmm 32 next month figure 2-3 years then that's about it ??? Hard to tell.

VCP- of course I’m not comparing anyone to Messier, just addressing the fact that messier was traded here at the same age and had at least 4-5 good years in the tank. 31 isn’t old for a forward

KAKKO is 10 points away from his career high in points with 30 games to go. The fact we traded this guy is just mindblowing. The only thing MORE mindblowing is that all we got in return was BORGEN and a third rounder. BORGEN ain't a bad player...but he's not even in the same galaxy as KAKKO. That trade is gonna rival the BUCHNEVICH deal...at least with that one, DRURY could argue it was a cap dump...

Look at MF, dusting off the Traderator! IMWO, Rangers only deals should be to PO teams by selling/trading vets......And ZETTERLUND woukld be great! but an impossible acquisition..outside their big babies of Celebrini, SMith and Eklund.. He is the best player on that team, a good young all around player, already a 25 Goal scorer, and getting better...Maybe if the Rangers offer SCHNEIDER and/or CUYLLE and/or Edstrom..

We aren't winning anything with fox I have completely soured on him...too slow , passive, soft, trade him now !!I can shoot harder than him.

Mf - I love the optimism even if I wholeheartedly disagree. Don’t see anything over and above a 1st round playoff ouster. In fact, I don’t see us making it. The playoffs start now. That 3rd period looked great, but they need to play like that every game/every period to have a shot because let’s face it, their playoffs start now.

Speaking of GOODROW, wonder if his family is still on the East Coast, because he'd be an excellent candidate to round out the forwards. Farfetched? You bet your bippy it is! But heck, it's just business.

MF - A few good signs last night, horrible signs Saturday..what do we see Wednesday? Don't agree on your take but hope it comes true..we'll see

VCP/Hospo: When factoring the intangible of the rate that the team develops chemistry and confidence, I think we stack up against any team in the league. Last night's game told me that both Kreider & Zbad are realizing that they can play more aggressively and not get injured. Can I substantiate this? NO, but I see it. This is huge, because to this point I truly believe these two have been playing in a "safe zone" or to a capacity that they believed that they would not get hurt. Well, last night they played a different brand of hockey, more aggressive and in the dirtier parts of the ice and they did not get hurt. This is huge, I remember when York18 used to talk about 'muscle memory,' well this type of play also builds 'muscle memory' in an area that was missing. We seem to be reaching a level of players that play with an edge where its rubbing off on our finesse players. The last time we had that level on the Rangers was when Drury brought in REEVES, Sammy Blais, and one other, it may have been a forward or maybe it was MIKKOLA on defense, but the point is that when enough guys play physical, eventually the team reaches a level where the finesse guys up their physicality/abrasion. We are there in that department. The propper LHS Defenseman seems to me to be our most pressing Achilles heel, followed by the right 3rd line guy talent. At this point in time I'm unsure that Borgen, Vaakaneinan, and Lindgren can handle the long road of deep round playoff hockey.... Back to the forwards: for all I know Jimmy VESEY might be that guy for the 3rd line, but I think we need another 3rd line guy like RHS Zetterlund, or the RHS Lafferiere, and we push Edstrom & Rempe to the stands and VESEY plays 4th line with Carrick and ??? LA may not want to part with LAFERRIERE, (I wouldn't) but Zetterland on SJS might be an easy acquisition. ZETTERLUND is listed as 5'11" and 220lbs. "You know where a 5'11 220lb player goes on the ice? Wherever the phuck he wants! :->)

MF - I'm with VCP on this one. Lst night's game aside, I don't like the current roster as much as you do for PO type hockey and, even IFFF they hop over 5 teams and make the POs as a wild card team, they will have to play either the Panthers, Capitals or Canes who, IMWO, we stand no chance of beating in the POs even before they add, which they will........Don't get me wrong, I want to make the POs and play them but with this group it really doesn't mean that much to me and rather see them dump and sell...and I never say that!!

MF I don't agree as constructed...if we even make it in. You want Florida or Washington that's a first rounder loss dude.

vcp: it's time to step out of the pickle-juice and clear your eyes. On paper we're looking like a competitor, the chemistry has started to turn in the right direction, we do have 1 or 2 Achilles heals, and we are pressed for time, "but this team is not a 1 and done roster if they make the playoffs." jmnsho snatcherally

That's the agenda folks make the playoffs win a round and goodbye.....Dolan. Could give a shit less about a cup...we all know that

In my best broken record syndrome, "we need to make the playoffs!" I see us as being 1 solid Defenseman and 1 solid forward away from being able to go deep.... Check this out; we are so stacked with a combination of talent & grit that we can go with 2 top lines which will be a handful for opponents to contain, and acquire 1 additional forward such that the 3rd line is both a shut down line AND a 'threat to score.' We're actually in a similar situation as we were over the summer but it appears that Drury signed Smith in a last ditch effort to find a Wing that Zbad & Kreider would mesh with on their line. Today, we're much stronger because we now have JT Miller, rounding out the Pivot Position, and the type of wing we need to round out the 2nd or 3rd line is way more attainable than a 1st Line Wing, or a Top 6 Center. From my perspective the issue is, "is it too little too late, do we have enough time to make the playoffs?" If we can make it to the playoffs, I'm very optimistic of our chances.

My expert opinion - this team is cooked but theory term with 1) Dreary at the helm and 1a) Fatass behind the bench. Gorton was vastly superior trader to DD and built the team that went to the ECF’s the last few seasons, but couldn’t get over the top. Drury is too stupid to have figured out the appropriate missing ingredients (his trading record should guarantee he never gets a GM position again, although our stupid owner doesn’t even recognize b/c he’s just interested in playoff gates). I miss the optimism of JD and Gorton building something here long term. They never got to see it through and the snake sold them out. Now we’re stuck with a schmuck of GM and a coach who thinks it’s 2002 and doesn’t believe in putting young players in a position to succeed. And we’re missing a first either this year or next. Prob both years after Drury trades another one to make gate at the deadline. If I were Perrault I’d stay at BC and strongly consider going the Gauthier route. This management group has never been interested in promoting young players through actions. Their words fall continually short

Puckyou are you actually comparing miller to messier....c'mon now really??? Messier was and us in a class of his own won how many cups ???c'mon really. Can't compare the two sorry...miller is a good player but he ain't messier....

VCP- when we traded for Mess, he was 2 months shy of 31,we won 2 prez trophies and a cup in the first 3 years.

Kakko and Chytil both with very nice goals last night. Love the emotion from Fil. Good for both of them!

Chytil for miller absolutely no questions asked, but mancini has a great future and a first rounder ehhhh

Gorton was a better trader even though he got fleeced by eyzerman in the TB deal. That was a bad one . Drury is pretty awful In trades howden, copp, rosolovich...ouch ..this trade was average since miller had leverage otherwise would have been fleeced again...

I think it’s pretty clear in retrospect that Drury had the framework for a JT deal when he dealt Kakko for Borgen, one-sided as that deal was. If you recall the night the 3 scratches for Hartford, Mancini was among them, supposedly the deal fell apart due to the 1st rounder condition. Drury must have known he’d have to replace Mancini, who played pretty well but still needed some seasoning. My buddy’s son was taken in the same draft as Mancini(2022), his kid went a few rounds before Mancini, but he was familiar with him then and he said that draft was kind of a shitshow due to Covid. He said lots of players like Mancini slipped to later rounds, as scouts were somewhat hindered the years prior( IVY league kids got shut down for the year for example) so scouting was a bit more challenging during that period. Anyway, I’m sure there were multiple versions of that deal before it was finalized, but I think Drury did ok, we got a good center who is motivated, and a guy that plays north/south and takes no prisoners. I hate first rounders being dealt, but our track record when keeping them sux also.

If miller was 27 or 28 I would feel better but he only has 2-3 years left. I guess Drury is saying now or never.... usually with this franchise it's always NEVER...We are used to it now

Right now I see Dreary's biggest issue is the very mediocre coach behind the bench.

Drury thought he had what he needed the past few years. Got to a couple conference finals before tanking. He then decided that the core was not going to get the job done. So he set about changing it. I would see his greatest error in changing the core was dumping Goodrow. He has proven to be a lower than average trader. The Buch trade, the trade for Copp, the Kakko trade (although they clearly wanted Borgen). Dolan wants playoff revenue. That is what he cares about from the hockey team. I am not as down on Drury as some here, but I do think he gets no better than a middling grade and I don’t think he is as competent as Gorton.

I have no issues with chytil being moved, mancini is very unfortunate but that is out organizations history..trade for older players it will never change. We aren't even close to contenders more like pretenders

To sum it up he’s somewhere between his WD 1-39 phase . WD40 has alluded him so far. Or his quest in trying to separate fly shit from black pepper. Reinventing the wheel. He’s almost reached the sather model. Maybe he will get at least to the smith Keenan year “soon”.

This is DD drury’s fourth year as gm. All of a sudden he’s showing what type of team he wants? I call bs. Make a list of all his moves over the last four years. The real name of his tenure so far is from the Kane mutiny to the insane mutiny. If he really wanted to change the roster after last year’s president trophy and playoff run he should have made more moves over the offseason. Instead he writes a stupid memo from 42nd street window sign ‘lost our lease going out of business sale’. He did his version of the Avery wave with the marquis of queensbury rules. He’s not really taken the sather line of’ never tough enough’. Start with reaves and go from there. Then use the broken clock and the blind squirrel lines. He started his ideas before getting the job by pushing for Dairy Queen.

Chytl played over 20 minutes for Canucks tonight. I doubt he has ever seen that much ice time in his career? KK scored a nice one tonight too.

Hospo…I have no problem with Vegas player going after Cuylle but he should get an instigator…Boyle said in postgame Cuylle dropped his gloves too quickly but the guy was coming at him….What a hit though…I felt it sitting in my family room…LOL

Chytil also caught up ice in OT for a three on one but Wings didn't score...His next shift he was caught up ice and Wings scored winning goal...

Oh yeah, I just saw The CUYLLE hit again on NHL Network..Damn , what a clean and beautiful hit...Hey, I don't like what the Golden Showers player did nd he should have got n instigator, but at lest he stood up for his teamate going nby the "current code"...OTOH, they showed the Devils NOESEN dirty as shit near decapitation of their star Tage THompson that every team should react to but not a single SABRE reacted at the behest of their coach LINDY RUFF...Dave Reid on the NHL Network lit into the Sabres and Ruff for their immedite lack of action/retribution

ANDREI - What's this bullshit comment about "experts" on here? Is there a fucking need for that? All i see is fans on here trying to have a good time even if they disgree or battle a little, zero experts..Damn the shit people say on here ABOUT OTHER POSTERS.

JFC - While you are talking bout Dipshit Drurys aquisitions, maybe list all the guys he signed in the last two UFA cycles, the SMITH deal and all the non-sensical deadline deals sytarting with Patick Kane....Only Carrick and Qucik classify as decent...That being said, maybe the bozo finally got it with BORGEN and MILLER..I hope so....OTOH,,He had to REPLACE THREE BIG Bodies he sent packing in GOODROW< TROUBA and KAKKAO.....Anyways, the indivduals aren't what really matters, it's the idenity of the team and hopefully MILLER can hlep change that and overcome the soft identity of guys like Panarina, Kreider, ZBAD, LAFFY (this year).....We'll see..they showed some good fight tonight

On the flipside, Drury should have split Zbad & Kreider at the end of (after) last season and signed someone other than SMITH. AFAIC making the playoffs matters most... Also, although I'm very pleased with tonight's performance, the VGK's are 2-5-3 in their last 10 games

rf4l, what about Lavi? Again, this season does not matter. It's all about building for the next season and there after. Once you get passed that, who is the coach today have no relevance on who will be coaching the team come September.

JFC31, couldn't have said it better myself. It's interesting how some "experts" here, and other Rangers outlets, already claim how terrible Drury's trades are, all while a full picture is still being worked on. Personally. I'm very exited to see what comes next. So far, so good in my book. We could be in minority now, but I'm fine with that.

My earlier post got lost in the joy of a great 3rd period so I’ll say it again; If you want to know what being hard to play against means, look at JT Miller, look at Borgen, look at Trochek, look at Carrick. And what do all of those guys have in common? Answer: they were all pick ups by Drury. It’s really obvious what his vision for thixyteammis and why he’s getting the slack he’s getting from ownership. Drury is RAILING against everything WE have been railing against with thus team for 5+ seasons now…they were TOO SOFT! And too soft means NO CUP because SOFT doesn’t work in the playoffs. These guys plus Lafrenière & Cuylle are going to be the CORE & the HEART of this team…and Drury is not done yet. People can keep insulting Drury but the kind if team he wants to build is exactly what The Wall has been asking for!

Congrats to Jon Quick. HOF goalkeeper and seems to be a fabulous guy and teammate. Having now said that-----a word about another American goaltender-----John Vanbiesbrouck. American born Beezer notched 374 wins in career------but was also credited with 119 TIES!!! Just give him half of those and, well, you get the idea.

Andrei lol nope just musing and dreaming... We are still with this jerk of a coach for this year at least.

Laviolett sucks as a coach...who else is available???? No idea...I take the TB guy cooper or Cassidy...even what's his fave Sullivan in Pittsburgh although he had some of the best players in the world which we have none... Igor, fox, panarin, ZBAD need to go.

On that note, I'll call it laggerheads..not going anywhere..Hopefully the team can pay the Bruins back on Wednesday...We'll see

Andrei - A long way to go..you mean how he played for about two mmoths before being used in a totally new and ineffective way with linemates that aeren't the best fit..But hey, it's not always bout the individual but the team...and the team has not prospered with the way Laviolette has used them......But you are right, Laviolette has been doing no teaching..Hasn't got through to vets (Panarina), youg vets (Laffy) a or younhgsters...But it's his job to...plain and simple

Hospo, I hear you, but this is also not a reality in NHL these days. To me, coaching plays the role, but not to the point where coaching is responsible for a bad or a "great" season. Maybe a bad coaching decision will impact a game here or there, but not the entire season. Simple example. Bad goaltending. I don't care who is the coach, it could be a Scotty Bowman behind the bench, but if the team is sidelined with the bellow average goaltending, team will loose more game then they will win. Take a 1st pair d-man off any team in NHL and watch them loose more then they will win.

Hospo, well.. Not sure about that. Cuylle is still learning the game and has a long way to go. Coach just can't simply "teach" all 20+ players on the team. There is no time for that. Players needs to adjust themselves. Sure there are assistant coaches that can work with players on something particular, but even that is not feasible often to the very tight schedule.

ANDREI - Two different things...One a coach doing a bad job most of the season and getting little out of his players... and 2) keepng him because iit's possibly a lost season and a coach for the future can't be found rigth now for a team in or soon to be in total flux

Hard to blame a win on bad coaching, right? Tough when the narrative does not work when some here constantly go out there way to make Lavi a punching bag for everything that is wrong with the team. Don't get me wrong, Lavi deserves to be fired, for sure, but time to do it is in the spring. Don't see a single coach available that will do a better job then Lavi, with this Jekyll and Hyde team. Hopefully, with Miller, Rangers will be Hyde more often then Jekyll. Again, pure my opinion.

Happy for Quick…Frustrated that we can’t play like we did in the third more often….Physical and fast…Cuylle hit would make your teeth rattle..Schneider physical as well….Kreider had his best game since I can remember…Doesn’t look hurt to me..No excuses..Z came alive and Miller is easily our best forward…

NDREI _ CUYLLE doesn't really need to adjust, coach just needs to make optimum use of him..Then again that's where Laviolette has failed most of this season...So far....Hopefylly Lard Asses can learn new tricks

Hospo, it seems that we do agree on something. Keep the roster going and trade for assets at the deadline. Personally, I'm not worrying about Cuylle, he will adjust.

NEWFIE - All that and hopefullyt also had the pride to atone for yesterday's garbage!

BTW, I missed any news on EDSTROM...was there any update on his injury? Matt Rempe wants to know too

It would appear that the new Mr.Miller is having an affect on this team already. But more than likely the guys really wanted to win this one for Quickie. Either way ,good job all around.

But I sdo wish they could make better use of CUYLLE and I still don't like the lines...BUT good game and great 3rd period..!!! And wwithout iGOR!

In the defensive zone, Rangers cannot break out of the zone consistently all year. Can’t Housley tell the D men to stop blindly whipping the puck around the boards hoping for the best. It doesn’t work, we need our defense to skate and make plays with the puck. Quick a great HOF career congrats

KIS - Believe it or not, I am aginst any trade for vets this year...Go with what you got..and likely deal vets at the deadline

3 points for Zibenajad. Rempe a regular shift in the 3rd period, an excellent 3rd period. That hit by Cuylle. All in all a good outcome.

Will say this. When Rangers play like they did in the 3rd, they are a tough team to beat. Still think they will miss the playoffs and there will be a fire sale, but at least they are a fun to watch when they play like this.

Pick up a big vet center and A physical D-man at the dealine and make a run for the POs..Maybe deal Cuylle for somebody like Nick BJUGSTAD and a 6th D-man

Mika accidentally butt ends Igor when hugging Quick. He’d pull a Lias Anderson if it was opening night.

Please trade fox now!!!!! He blows....miller for captain the curse and kiss of death

Good for QUICKIE...Good for the Rangers..They needed that bad to reverse the stink of the last 4 games by the vets..especilly yesterdays stinker...Maybe this can be the reset???????

How sweet it is! Big confidence booster for our Rangers, and maybe even a Wallster or two. :->)

Thaat was some GREAT passing....MILLER.....PANAFRINA..and KREIDER doing the usual good Kreider stuff

It shows how much impact a good N-S player can have on a team tht too often depends on E_W pretty plays and prancers

I thought the League made a point at their GMM meetings last year to call thise instigators after clean hits

Start giving extra minutes to guys who start fights after CLEAN hits! Pietra help should know better than to ADMIRE HIS PASS!

Absolutely hate NHL for how after good hits, players have to "answer" for those hits and challenging player does not get instigator!!

Kreider actully showed some jets before...Bull shit, the Vegas huy should get 2 minutes for instigteing! ..What a hit by CUYLLE!! He's gotta have lot of angst stored up..

K'Andre adding offense! Way to go young man!...JT MIller brings exactly what the team needs..They need so much more though....

How about that Wallsters!!! Crisp, quick passing and an Even Strength Goal! Not too shabby

If you want to know what being hard to play against means, look at JT Miller, look at Borgen, look at Trochek, look at Carrick. And what do all of those guys have in common?

ANDREI _ ZBut you did catch all the blame put on PANARINA for the two recent losses, right? So it's not just the coach nd GM...it's the players too

rf4l, not at all, just tired of reading how everything that is wrong with the Rangers is blamed on coaching and if it's not coaching, it must be an incompetent GM.

And that wasn’t FANCY! It was all hard work, determination to retrieve the puck and a simple shot on net creating chaos in front. No cross ice bullshit, no one-timer, just basic hockey

Just like that, it's a tie game. Look at that, Rempe sat for a few plays in the 2nd, then get's a shift in 3rd, draws a PP and Rangers score. Terrible coaching, no?

I’m in shock. A Ranger goal scored by someone shooting the puck and Mika, of all people, crashing the net to swat in the rebound. Miracles can happen!

That’s how you score goals in the NHL. Everything else is just the icing on top. Rangers just like feasting on the icing.

That was a good goal Wallster's. Zbad goes to the blue paint, that's a rarity, good for him, he even smiled, that's a good thing too. Let's hold them scoreless and walk away with the 2 points

Good hustle by ZBAD..and a little Happy dance too!!!...Now lets do something at ES!

And why do so many Rangers seem to play so small for big boys? and hunched over, particularly ZBAAD, Krieder and Lindgren

NDREI - When an entire team is playing dysfuncrionally and with less structure and detail the any other team in the league..and individully alomst all underperforming..You can bey your ass it's a combined effort of the top players and the coch

Great analysis from BB as fundamental as it was - someone needs to go to the net to create chaos on those shots. Why it rarely happens is beyond inexplicable. Stupid team. Stupider coach. Even more stupider GM.

Kreider was guilty of trying to pick the top corner on that two on one instead of shooting for rebounds/puck chaos with the 2nd Ranger going hard to the net, but who am I kidding?

Cape: Maybe (please!!??!!) he's being showcased? His value only worsens sitting in the pressbox. I realize how he's playing doesn't bode well for a good return but being able to trade him at all given his stupid contract is a plus.

Kis, really we are blaming coaching once gain? Nothing to do with dumb ass penalty taking by Lindgren, right? It is a tie game without that PP goal and actually, Rangers are playing a much better game then the one from yesterday. Vegas is a much better team after all.

After 2 periods Zbad has the most ice time of all Ranger skaters , over 2 minutes more than JT Miller . What is it with this coach ? Zibanijab should be sitting in the press box for a couple of games instead of leading the team in icetime

NYStranger, excellent question. Will see. I have a feeling that some players have to go in order for rest of the team to really start transforming from this soft ass pond hockey that team have involved into.

Lardass is such a tool for a coach. They are playing back to back and he shortens bench. No rempe. Smith seems to have missed a couple shifts. Kreider not exostamt. The ramger D absolutely sucks. Team has no structure. Panarin needs to sit a couple shifts. He just turns over the ouck every shift.

Bob. Yep. When will Dreary finally fire Lardiolette? Surely it won't take Dolans firing him first? This is baffling. Rangers are headed for a non-PO finish that will annoy Dolans.

Outplayed, no offense, horrible lines. little NS physicality compared to the way Vegas plays s a tough unit..Watching Pamarina is like sticking needles in ones eye...Hate the way he plays the game..and damn The Ranger Organist should be the Mr. SOftee truck song when the top 9 is playing!

I'm impressed with Miller so far. Such a refresher to see a physical player that has talent and knows how to use it and when. Not so sure about Panerin-Miller tendon.

My goodness. Watching the Vegas team and their structure. Their wingers are always at the boards waiting for the outlet. Compare that the the repeated fire drills in the defensive zone and their difficulty getting it out.

Wow, PD from Vegas could have been destroyed by a Ranger D-man if the eever thought about it....but SMITH did step aside and blow a kiss at him

I am really getting sick of Panarin. He constantly turns pucks over in the neutral zone because he refuses to make smart safe plays. Always forcing passes into traffic. Plus he never shoots when he is in good positions, but holds until he is at a worse angle to shoot.

Trocheck's line is still giving up goals, even without Panarin ....CoMark... I was thinking the same thing about Smith today.

I’m ready for Drury to move on from Smith, but he made a good play on the Laff goal.

I understand othman was hurt much of the year but reily smith that much better than him? God smith sucks. If drury is tryi g to get more players that have grot and are a pain to play against i dont get why smith is playing especially over othman

This period starts much better. I spent the intermission cleaning up dog poop from the yard after a month of smow on the ground. Much more entertaining than the 1st! My lines would be: Cuylle- Miller-Laff, Panarin- Trocheck- Smith, Kreider-Z- Kaliyev/Vesey Edstrom- Carrick-Rempe. Brody will always be my injury replacement 13th forward.

Not mentioned on the broadcast, but JTM was a beast in front of the net on that goal. He was big, strong, direct and absolutely made space for that goal. More of that please.

Key always seems surprised when an opponent is in the zone with him. No sense of urgency.

Bob, maybe the idea is to have at least one scoring line now. Problem is that ZShit is like an anchor pulling everyone down with him.

We've been giving up quite a few PP goals lately, yet we keep sending out the same guys first on the PK over and over. Bizarre coaching style.

No idea why Miller and Panarin are on the same line. Wouldn’t you want to separate them ?

Not sure how anyone believes we will make the playoffs…Hoping they will is different…

Dumbass penalty costs again .. on repeat .. How many times did we win the defensive zone FO only to either fail to clear or ice the puck ...

What a shot! Stupid penalty and Rangers are down by 1. This is what good PP looks like.

Rhet- I think you meant Brady, not Matt earlier. I can’t spell their name so I’ll leave it at first names!

Exhibit A that there is a different standard on penalty calls... phantom "boarding" ...laughable NHL

Refs just making shit up. That is a terrible call. You want to call it late….fine…but not boarding by any stretch

The guy was just standing there looking up with his head in the air and gets hit..and that's a penalty becasue the guy was unawarese?? or because it was Rempe?

I know we’ve all chatted about this at length, but I completely don’t get the fact that this coach is still here! These lines are horrible and you saw what it did yesterday so you go back to the well again? The fact that he’s not fired says all we need to know about this damn team and their management.

It's incredible how bad this team is at gettin pucks out of their zone...when they have possession, giveaways, soft plays, hitting opposition players, passing it to the other team etc

Same shitty lines..good to see VESEY in,,should be full of energy for the 4th line

In regard to MATT TKACHUCK: If he becomes available, it would only be at the draft. You have twice as many teams interested/able to bid for him. Also: It gives the SENS one last try at the playoffs. Matthew Tkachuck is tired of losing and tired of consistently missing the playoffs. The thinking is that if they miss the playoffs again (or failing early in the playoffs), that he will then ask for a trade to a contender..... This is another reason why you don't want the NYR's to spend all their assets now. We will need them all for a potential trade if he does become available.

Stevielegs, with the -26 in +/-, second worst in NHL? Would argue that even Lavi is not that blind.

Andrei- agreed with the head exploding. I don’t worry too much about contracts. The only contract that the Rangers have had recently that didn’t age well was Trouba’s(excluding Z- I know what you think of that one, lol!) the cap increases and suddenly contracts seem like a bargain!

Andrei supposedly they believe zbad has done a good job playing against the opponents number one line

PJ, let me put it this way. Rangers need to go 22-9 rest of the way, just to make the playoffs and are about 8 regulation time looses from being eliminated, so unless we will see another 10 game winning streak, I think it is safe to say that fire-sale will begin soon. Will totally bet on Kreider being shipped out as one of the first ones. ZShit is whole another problem. Rangers might end up buying him, as trade with the full NMC will be a mission impossible to facilitate.

Stevie, I don't think Tkachuk is getting moved this season. Maybe, maybe in the offseason, but not now. Looks like Ottawa will be in the playoffs, so that's that.

JFC, problem with making ZShit a "shutdown" center is that he is no longer that player. Maybe he was that player before, but not now. He is not shutting down anyone in the league these days. It is even funny how folks are saying that with Miller, Trouchek and ZShit Rangers have the deepest center core in the league, where in reality, Rangers center depth is Miller, Trouchek, Carrick and someone impersonating #93. It's not a confidence issue with him, it's mental. It's like ZShit plays not to get hurt and it probably safe to say that he plays like his mind is not in a game. Center is a hardest position as a forward. Maybe it is best to move him off center to the wing.

CM, let's wait till the next waive of contracts starts coming in. Cale Makar is eligible to be resigned next season. Watch his $9 mil salary go up to $14-$16 mill range. Judith McDavid will be in $16-$18 mil range and so on. Folks heads will explode when those number starts coming in.

Drury’s association with Sather was enough for me to hate him being elevated to run the team….He is the weasel I thought he was and sticking with Laviolette this long says it all….All of the commotion over Wilson beating up on us is a distant memory and we are even softer now…The lines yesterday were just laughable…As a long time fan and defender of Z & K I now can’t stand seeing them on the ice…Their time is done as Rangers…They need to be moved ASAP….All the accommodating them has to end….It has cost us dearly….Oh and we aren’t making the playoffs IMO…

My 2 cents regrading the big trade. Not a fan of Miller as an individual, there are certainly some elements of immaturity still there and I really hope that have grown and continues growing. But for sure, Miller right now, is the best center Rangers have had in probably 15 years, if not more. Miller is a legit 90-100 points guy. In Rangers history, there were only 7 players reaching 100 points. In entire history!! Hadfield, Rattelle, Rogers, Leetch, Mess, Jagr and Panerin. Miller could be the next one. This is who Drury had just traded for. A legit number one center in NHL, easily a top 5 center in the league, when he is on his game. Rangers solved the biggest problem they have had last few season, a legit second weapon along with Panerin. Now you can have Panerin on one scoring line and Miller on the second and no longer can opposite teams concentrate on just shutting down Panerin. That's huge. Who did Rangers loose? 1st in 2025 that is lottery protected? This will be the worst draft in probably 25+ years. On Friday, Shane Molloy on NHL Radio was describing the upcoming draft is the weakest since 1999, when only 43 drafted players ended up playing 200+ games in NHL. That's a terrible draft. You can see how very little value 2025 picks have compare to the picks even in the last draft, and we will see more of them , traded left and right in the upcoming weeks. Teams with multiple picks better have great scouting if they are looking to add some talent from this 2025 draft. Rangers traded Chytil? Love Phil as a player, but he is a walking time bomb and you never know when his last game will be. Could be this season, could be in 10 years. You just can't build a team and really on the guy who is injury prone. Mancini? Rangers view him at 5-6, might have potential to be 3-4. Schneider and Borgen are ahead of him depth wise, so there is no real room for him anyways. All and all, a very good trade in my book. That's said, let's see what will happen in 2-3 years down the road, and then judge the trade when all impacts are visible. Personally, it's the trade that Rangers had to make. You need a legit #1 center in order to win the Cup. Love me some "Cousin Vinnie" Trocheck, but he is just not a #1 on a Cup contending team.

So I know people complain that these new contracts and the players are out spending money. But Laffy, Shesty and Borgen are not getting any more money currently as the contracts start next year. I’m sure there’s less anxiety about where they are the next year, but it’s not like they are out their on spending spree’s!

In regard to Drury's Plan: Both players will be 32 this season. What do we do in three years? Start over? Does Gabe Perreault push them up and down the ice in a wheelchair? .....NM! Phil Esposito is back! We'll just trade Perreault for a 35 year old Marcel Dionne!

JFC - didn’t Drury do something similar in the 2022 run with Copp who was good buddies with Trouba? Going back further - Trouba and Skjei were good friends when Trouba arrived.

Drury signed Trochek & now trades for his lifelong bestie JT Miller. They are the profile for what Drury wants his team to be. They are now the leadership of this team. Z & Ck ate old news and should be on the 3rd Line

DREW - The only shame is the Rangers. For me, The Isles don't event into the equation..If the current players don't have the balls and guts to channel their talent into a PO spot, they are the shame and the disgrace along with a coach that, really, has zero clue how to get anything out of his team and players...What the Fuck are the Hu Thru Pu against the Wall lines today?........And hey, anybody remember how the best line in the NHL for the first month of the season was CUYLLE-CHYTL-KAKKAO??? .God, was that and the players ever pissed away by Laurel and Hardy.....I'm trying to separate my disgust wit Laviolete and Drury up to the MILLER trade tipping point and with what may, can or won't happen in the future, but it's damn hard with the cluelessness of Laviolette at work..

It’s a shame. Islanders are better right now and will probably make the playoffs with 3 defensemen signed or picked up in the past week.

How about two new defenseman scoring for the Islanders one being Tony! And they’re on a seven game win streak! Sigh

It amazes me when I keep reading ideas about trading Lafrenière. He’s not going anywhere…Drury didn’t him to a $7.5 mil per year contract to trade him. If he had ANY inkling that he might not be a part of the future core of this team, he would have bridged him to make his contract more attractive to other teams

Rhetoric you think cuylle becomes laffy I dunt thin so.. laffy has a special skill set that he is obviously in hibernating as of now

Forget POWER & target Buff's Mattias SAMUELSON for the 3rd Pair LHSD. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/samuema02.html

RHET: So he'd be a RHS CUYLLE !?! Sounds good. I found this on the kid: https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/lets-talk-about-alex-laferriere.2980189/

Evets... I know Power is rumored to be available, but I don't know If I'm ready to trade Lafreniere.

MF.... In regard to Laferriere: He's a nice player but he's basically what Will Cuylle is for us.

I wonder if there is something that the Rangers can do with Buffalo centered on Lafrenier for Power, provided the Rangers move Lindgren.

Rhet: cool, I must research that. On another note, lets get rid of our headache. This team can make the playoffs. As TD pointed out, there's a bunch of shit teams ahead of us in the standings, and there is an abundance of parity throughout the league, the Rangers can squeak into the playoffs. Need a LHSD, 2 if we move LINDGREN, and for the "TRADERATORS" among us, anybody have an opinion on Smel-LA's "Alex LAFERRIERE" besides giving Sam Rosen fits between him ands "Alexis Lafreniere?" https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/laferal01.html --- Would LA trade him, and is he a great fit for the RANGERS? The kid is 6'1" - 205 lbs, a RHS, 23.5 y/o. Anyone know whether he is fast and or an above average skater? t/y

The thing that is really eating way at me since yesterday afternoon is Zibanejad at RW. I kept my powder dry when I saw that bullshit because I wanted to see the results…and they were just as I thought they would be. You have a guy who is STRUGGLING WITH HIS CONFIDENCE all season long. He’s been handling the puck like a hand grenade for the last 2 months. So, instead of making the smart move…let him play with Kreider but in a 3rd line, shut-down role where he doesn’t have to worry as much about scoring…they play him OUT OF POSITION in a critical 1st Line role. Make it make sense! Never mind, you can’t….it makes ZERO SENSE and makes me think the coaching staff all need their fucking heads examined. If you want to change the culture, change it for the better…don’t take pieces from a failed core and keep intimately involved. Turn the god damned page…no half measures! Sheesh! What a drag this season is….even when they make a move that feels like some fresh air, Laviolette put the source of POLLUTION right in the middle of that fresh air.

MF.... Fun fact: the lyrics from that song were partially based on "Of Mice and Men" which was about the Great Depression.

hurts m ears to listen, burns m eyes to see, cut down a man in cold blood Shannon, .............

MF: Gotta get to MSG First train we can ride Got to settle one old score And one small point of pride...

NYR's need to win tonight. Not only do we have to stop the bleeding, but we can't let the PENS get a totally unencumbered pick in 2026. I don't want them getting a possible key piece to their future off of us... Also, we need to finally get QUICK his 400th win to get that monkey off his back(4th or 5th attempt?).

We used to play for silver Now we play for life. One's for sport and one's for blood, At the point of a knife.... Now the die is shaken, Now the die must fall.....There ain't a winner in this game Who don't go home with all, "Not with all, all, all, .......

The curse for Ranger players, sign an extended large financial contact, or having kids, both do not mean stop playing hockey. New kids means no sleep, so players sleeping during the games. Also means juicy rebounds, no back-checking or accountability. New contracts does not mean spending money while playing hockey in optional.

I'll play devils advocate here for a second with a different point of view. None of us know what's going on in the locker room, so maybe we give Lavi some credit for holding this together because we don't know what he's being told. Maybe Cuylle having to play with 93 isn't a punishment, maybe it's Lavi feeling comfortable with 50s play and hopes he can get 93 going. But I get it he's still being in a way. Just a different way of looking at it and yes 20 and 93 have to go and 23 better pick up his game.

Hospo: IMO the mentality of the leadership specifically ZBAD & KREIDER steered this good ship Rangers into a "finesse and not physical" team. By physical, I mean hard hitting and punishing the opponent. Separating ZBAD & KREIDER onto separate line has been called for by several Wallster's for 2-3 years. Zbad & JT Miller on the same line could be a way to ease ZBAD back into the mindset of playing a more physical game, and with MILLER on his line, Zbad knows someone's got his back, consciously, subconsciously, and it "may" spell out what is expected of him (Zbad) Personally, I would not have Miller and Zbad on the same line. I would have JBRO in the lineup at wing because he is one of the few RHS Wings we have.

Wiosa - Now here's the real shitty part: Guess what? LAVIOLETTE ain't getting fired this season. Not as far as I can see. If DRURY stuck by that moron during a stretch of hockey so terrible that I can't remember when the Rangers were worse...he ain't gonna change things now. We only have a couple of things to hope for right now, and none of them are very good....first is that maybe Fatass was off his meds yesterday...or on them...and wakes up this morning thinking MAN. I gotta come up with something new...and ices a four-line team today. I wouldn't hold my breath there...second is that this group slips back to where it was in December...they're not too far off now, TBH...and they fall into a lottery place...THAT might be enough to can both LAV **AND** DRURY, though the latter is wishful thinking. If the playoffs started today, the Rangers are picking 11th, with a 3 percent chance of grabbing first overall. With that kind of pick AND this roster AND a decent coach AND a GM who isn't lingering around the 75 IQ range, this team could make a hell of a turnaround next year.

PUCKYOU - Fox, Panarina, ZBAD (as always), Reilly SMith were a joke and embarrassment physically yesterdayy..............BOB - Pretty much spot on and I too mentioned yesterday that Drury's remaking/reshaping of the core (which has only just started) will give him at least another 3-4 years...yes, the core has to be totally remade and one or all of ZBAD, Panarina, Kreider, Fox and must be shipped the fuck out...but, it will take time...More importantly, DRURY has shown nothing but incompetnence the last two years up to the MIller trade and this Mess is his Mess....and he will likely go the sme way as GORDO The CLown after this version of the WHite Flag

TD: ""Take a look at the standings. Take a look at WHERE the Rangers are in the Conference and League standings: 13th and 22nd respectively. Now in both instances, look at the teams in front of them. In the Conference, it's Montreal, Detroit, the Islanders and Boston. ALL FOUR of those teams are deeply, deeply flawed. The only one of them that anyone had to MAKE the playoffs was Boston, and we saw how well THAT matchup went last night. Montreal and Detroit have no goaltending. The Islanders have essentially plucked their defense from the waiver wire. These are NOT good teams...now look LEAGUE wide...The Canucks, which IS a trainwreck team, HAVE A BETTER RECORD. I mean, c'mon. The Rangers with the roster they have should be STEAMROLLING teams like the Bruins."" I like those odds along with teams faltering, and players getting injured along the way. We can make the playoffs and should be competing with that goal in mind. jmo-snatcherally

All Star Center JT Miller at W again today??? Lifetime AHLer Johnny Brodz at 3rd C?? Do any of the embarassing gutless vet core have the balls to want this game and do something about it physically instead of being stem rolled and just wanting to do things the soft, pretty way?? I know everything was set in motion by the incompetnece of the Cach and his idiotic lines but, c'mon, put your big pants on For CHrist's!!!

Also Panarin should be included in that core of stick checkers who avoid contact for the most part.

I’m very concerned about Fox and the lack of fire in him. Watched Marchand push him a couple of times after the whistle, he plays so milk toast, never seems to get upset. The 2nd goal, he spun next to the player without putting his body on him and you see how easy that pass was to pasta.The lack of hitting from the core, fox, Kreider,Mika- I’m not talking about big checks, just bumping guys off the puck, competing for loose pucks, is the reason they have languished this season. Forgot what it takes to win. Reminds me of my no-check men’s league games each week, only frankly I see more bumping in that. Until the stick checking is replaced with physicality, they won’t beat the good teams.

There is no way Drury ever gets fired. Sather oversaw them for how many years and did not get fired. They miss and the coach probably gets whacked, and that is the pattern with him. First year success and diminishing returns after that. The concept of earning ice time is clearly lost on him. And with the Rangers need to elevate Sykora and Othmann, at least, he is clearly not the guy to lead the team. Drury is gpdoing what he is doing now, changing the core because if he does nothing he will get the JD treatment from Dolan. It is Dolan that wanted them to go for it. When they didn’t they got whacked. Drury was right there when that happened. The Rangers coaching job is a 2 year stint based on Drury’s history. Honestly, all we can hope for is one of those fluke runs to the cup led by Igor because these folks have proven incapable of building a team that will last as competitors.

this team is soft as shit! Fox has not been the same player since year 2 of his ranger career. Don know if he is hurt or what but every time they zoom in on his face he looks drained and gasping for air.

Again. There is NO trade that is going to turn this around. The problem now AIN'T the roster. I want to point out a couple of things that really haven't come up much, but deserve mentioning in order to illustrate the TRUE problem with the Rangers. Take a look at the standings. Take a look at WHERE the Rangers are in the Conference and League standings: 13th and 22nd respectively. Now in both instances, look at the teams in front of them. In the Conference, it's Montreal, Detroit, the Islanders and Boston. ALL FOUR of those teams are deeply, deeply flawed. The only one of them that anyone had to MAKE the playoffs was Boston, and we saw how well THAT matchup went last night. Montreal and Detroit have no goaltending. The Islanders have essentially plucked their defense from the waiver wire. These are NOT good teams...now look LEAGUE wide...The Canucks, which IS a trainwreck team, HAVE A BETTER RECORD. I mean, c'mon. The Rangers with the roster they have should be STEAMROLLING teams like the Bruins. I won't even get into what they should be doing against those other three...Next point...Every single one of the Rangers' top eight players is having a career-worst year. Does ANYONE see that as a coincidence? Like did KREIDER and Z just suddenly age 10 years? FOX? How about him? Huh? But even if we DO think this is the case...What the fuck happened with the selection committee for the Four Nations tournament? How did all of these players end up on a roster? I mean, throw KAKKO in there too...These are all guys that some pretty savvy hockey minds decided were in the top 20 of their countrymen...You look at the guys who DIDN'T make it...well...either folks from the US, Sweden and Finland were so friggin' drunk when they were picking they didn't realize how bad these players have become....OR....it's not the players that are the problem. THAT is where we are right now. This is a fucking issue with the coach and/or the coaching staff. They will NOT make the playoffs with LAVIOLETTE, it doesn't matter who they trade for...his approach to the game is so divorced from reality...his bench management is terrible...and the only thing worse is his roster management and the message he constantly sends to good players, which is that if you're not in the top 8, you're expendable. And if the team falters, you may be scratched for no reason other than to jog the players who are failing.

There's a big part of me that wants to root for this team to lose because at this point it will probably result in the coach and gm being dumped, as well as some big money players being moved. That said, 1. As HOSPO has said, 'I cant root against this team, love 'em or hate 'em, they're my team and I (constantly) go down with the SS Rangers. 2. What good is a first rounder? We truly do not know how to rebuild. In my next life, Im coming back as a Devils Fan. They're not much better, but they are not as frustrating and at least they have the better sweaters.

Erik BRANNSTROM-Barnstorm, "trade fodder?": 'Barnstorming' refers to touring through rural districts staging theatrical performances or making brief stops during a political campaign or promotional tour12. In the context of aviation, barnstorming was a form of entertainment where stunt pilots performed tricks individually or in flying circuses during the Roaring Twenties

"We Need to Make the Playoffs" once in, anything can happen. Most pressing du jour is the LHS of the Defense, and defense in general. We're not winning many games giving up more than 3 goals and the numbers support keeping an opponent to 2 goals or fewer. 2 Goals or fewer is the line of demarcation to victory. It's time to tighten the laces and compete for the lowest GAA for the remainder of the regular season. We can make the playoffs. This team needs an attitude shift which I sense has been happening and is happening in the face of a 6-3 loss... IMO, this patient still has a pulse. :->)

“He'd split his time between the NHL and AHL, as he'd play 8 games in Abbotsford scoring 10 points (2 G, 8 A). You wanna know if Brannstrom will find his way into the Rangers' blue line considering how it's been dismantled recently right? According to GM Chris Drury Brannstrom won't be finding a spot in the Rangers lineup. He'll serve as a call-up in the AHL with the Wolfpack, a similar position he was in, with the Vancouver Canucks. If you don't know what Brannstrom's game is like, here's an idea. As an offensive defenseman, he has all the tools for success. He is an excellent skater, can carry the puck, make plays and quarterback the power play. It is his play when he is not involved in the attack that has held him back. He is not very physical and has to improve markedly in his own zone for his offensive skills to come to the fore.”

Hospo that’s exactly what DD drury has been trying to sell to the fans all season. A problem with that is because he’s trying to save his handpicked coach’s job. To change the roster for him is a mistake. He has not earned a return for next season along with his assistants. Bad enough that the fans and the players have to live with DD drury until he’s gone. You really can’t evaluate the players in this situation. Because if you do laffy should be on high the list to go along with almost every other player. Firing the team has never been a good concept. They have culture rot. It’s become fans and players be damned.

“Jonny Brodzinski centered a remade third line while skating between Chris Kreider and Will Cuylle. Brodzinski had been scratched for the previous eight games since Jan. 11.”…. Anything not to put zbad on the third line which is where he belongs with Kreider as the checking line against the other team’s top line. But why use logic when you can use lardass decisions.

PJ - "Cuylle finally gets away from Z and they put him with JBLO….LOL"..What did the kid do to get this treatment? Throw too many checks? Stupidly try and Play a straight forward N-S game??

With a likely sell off atbthe deadline or over the Summer and without this year's fast start they will be worse next year.They need to make this year's pick the one the Pens get.

I HATE playing for the FUTURE but that is the only thing that makes sense with this group...The rest of the season and then the off season should be devoted to trying to find ways to make the life-saving needed surgery of dealing any or all of ZMOPE, Panarina, Kreider, and I'm close to saying Fox but more likely just get whatever the fuck you can for Reilly Smith, Vaakinene, Brodz, Vesey, Zac Jones, lindgren.....There's no evidence to support that Drury is up to the task but it's all we got

Made a smart move this afternoon...I watched the first two minutes of the game and saw the lines that Lard Ass Fat Fuck in his amazing wisdom had put together and said Fuck this guarnteed loss bull shit on such a beautiful day....Well, I'm still a glutton for punishment and just watched it..Damn did the rangers just get shellacked by a BAD Boston team.???.I;m totally DONE with LAVIOLETTE and his incompetence...Two plays summed up the Rangers...Wussy Boy Adam Fox and Reilly "I wish we had his brother instead" SMith being physically weak and abused leadign to two goals.....I don't give a rat's ass about two PP goals..The lines sucked and the team sucked...Vakainnen is a stiff..An BRODZ wans't horrible but that's what Fat Bastrd chooses to go with him as 3rd C and play M(iller at Wing?? OK....The ONE bright spot was MILLER

IMO, trading for a partner for FOX is a trade for this year, next year and the year after. Nothing is more important right now. I think today's game showed that... Chris Drury said today that his goal this season is to make the playoffs and that more trade(s) coming.... Drury also said that JTM is a big part of the core going forward. Ummmm, Drury,, that's great and all, but he's a few short years away from 35. You were retired by 35.

While not perfect, I thought the NYR forwards did a pretty good job today. They hustled on D and consistently got back, it was the defense that massively let us down today. it felt like it was on every single shift. FOX arguably had his two worst games of the season and if it's possible, Lindgren was even worse today. Put Fox back together with Miller tomorrow and see if there is an improvement. It can't be worse, right? :)

Cnparda.... You may be right, but my first thought was that he may have done it to get him acclimated to them. He will play with them on the PP and be out there with them late in the game. If that's his thought it makes some sense, especially with the B-T-B games. I guess we'll see. It was a nice change of pace (and odd) to see Panarin not do so many dipsy-doodles :)

Isles 3 points out of playoff spot. 7 wins in a row. With 3 D they just picked up this past week.

The Rangers were outworked today. Plain and simple by an inferior club-talent wise. Boston kept their feet moving all game

Other than the Miller deal, every other move or non-move DDD has made looks as though he wants to get a lottery pick. And how funny is it that my preemptive spell checker auto corrected to DDD!

The apparent closeness of a playoff spot is a manifestation of the Bettman illusion. No matter how you slice it the Rangers have to maintain a winning (points)% far higher than they have achieved at any point this season and would it have to be some kind of run. In fact they would have to turn into the hottest team in the NHL the entire rest of the way! You believe that can be done? Come on down to the east river. I got a bridge for sale.

And I wanted to mention this. Did you notice how JTMillers speed or rather hustle made the rest of the Rangers look like they were strolling along at an open skate? So much of their issues would be improved IF they moved their feet and skated with purpose (hustled!) they just get beat to pucks everywhere. This is not a team speed problem it is a mental problem. Also how many times do we see the Rangers turn over the puck because they flat out refuse to dump and chase when there is no safe entry into the O zone? Even the 4th line is guilty! In fact that is how Endstrom got nailed. Coaching issue? Of course, but these are professionals. Many who have had long successful careers. They should recognize these flaws in their own games and self motivate. But they are collectively just a bunch of mopes. Man I really would love to see how Torts would handle Zpudding. Probably would make him cry and run and go play with his blocks in the corner.

Cnparda - even there...takes an extraordinary amount of stupidity to pull that sort of thing when playing a team you have to beat to get to the wildcard spot. At this point, they are four games out of THAT. Stick a fork in this season. It's done.

Again. There is NO trade that is going to save this team. You can keep building a bigger engine in your race car, but if you have Cletus the Slackjawed Yokel driving the thing, it's still not going to win you any races. Trade whoever. The team is fucked until LAVIOLETTE is gone.

Lardi should have been canned in December. Now would be a distant second best. These players have no accountability and are all playing for themselves and not the team. .

With emotions on the shelf, I think that Drury & Lavy are in very constant communication and on the same page. The team has turned since the KaKKo trade, and the JT Miller trade rumors and ultimate trade has taken quite a bit of time. We filled one of the toughest positions there is to fill on the roster, a top talent Center, and one who happens to bring exactly what this team needed, "Grit & some leadership" and the guy, JT Miller has experience in the NY Arena,and wanted to come HERE! We now need to fill two easier positions, 1-2 LHS Defensemen, and a stud of a RHS Forward. Now the word stud is a bit ambiguous as Alex TUCH is a RHS stud, but I'm not advocating chasing him, OLIVIER & or ZETTERLUND are physical 3rd line talent who shouldn't break the bank in a trade for them. We have Zibanejad, Miller, Trocheck, Carrick down the middle, that's not so terrible. A little 'line-bingo' and a RHS F or two and we're awesome on paper at least. It's also time to shop for a LHSD or 2, and I'm confident that DD DRURY has 1,2,3 LHSD on his wish list.... tbc....

Td it is simple. The top paid players get top line ice time and gobs of it. This has to be the direction of Dolan . It can’t make sense otherwise. Three coaches guilty of the same shit? Dolan thinks it is basketball where his stars play almost the entire game. Just a thought. But I can’t explain it.

From DD to hh ( his homework)…. https://youtu.be/VzyuFQ36jjE?si=5HIxDtUtngBizKCU

My theory laviolett wants to be fired...there is no other explanation for his baffling lines... He is totally incompetent.... Unless someone else is pulling the strings.

I've tried to be patient with Laviolette, but I think it's over for him. There was so much hype with the 1-3-1 last year, so much talk of the structure he'd bring. It's just not evident any more. I'm wondering if Drury wants to ride out the season with him and search in the off season, but here are some intriguing names to give a fresh look. Jay Leach is at the top of my list. Dan Muse and Michael Peca should get the opportunity to prove what they'd do differently. Brad Shaw is someone I would look at. Another candidate who should garner some serious consideration is Jessica Campbell.

Not defending the coach but the only passable idea is to move Z to the wing with Miller to get him going.

Rhet0ric - The Rangers have the best center depth they've ever had...UNTIL...the moron coach moves one of them to wing. Like I still can't even fathom what kind of total mental deconstruction must have occurred for him to make that call. Does he have a drinking problem? Is it opiates? Maybe a speedball? Like, what kind of total lapse of judgment do you have to steam into to have BRODZINSKI as your third line center instead of Z?

PJ - LAVIOLETTE needed to go after losing 18 of 20. How he survived that episode is a testament to how bad our GM is.

And you can forget about CHYCHRUN. No fucking way the Caps trade him, much less to the Rangers. Unlike New York, Washington is actually making the playoffs and has a shot at the cup...because THEIR GM...unlike the fucking moron we have...realized how awful a coach LAVIOLETTE is and replaced him with someone who can guide a bench in the modern NHL.

JFC31 - Well, he was hardly alone. Look at all the other players who skated over 20 minutes. They all sucked.

I’m betting the Rangers are gonna get Chychrun…either in a trade/extension or as a UFA. This trash is still mostly about the D.

mf - this team could have Wayne GRETZKY and Mario LEMIUEX in their respective primes and they STILL would lose. If you're trying to construct a roster that will work with this idiot, let me save you some time: There isn't one. This isn't about the roster. This is about execution. And that is ALL on LAVIOLETTE. I can't even begin to explain how stupid having Z and MILLER on the same line is. Like this is something a drunk friggin' mites coach might do. But in the NHL? C'mon. The only thing more mystifying than LAVIOLETTE having a cup is the fact that TORTS has one too...and at this point?! I would take TORTS over this fucking idiot. So tradorate all you want. There's only one fixing this team. Unfortunately, DRURY has hitched his wagon to this fucking imbecile and LAVIOLETTE has the rest of the season to fuck up this team. Only hope at this point is that the fall into the lottery and can hold their pick this summer, because they AIN'T making the playoffs.

What has Zibanejad done to “earn” every plum assignment and all the minutes he gets. How many times does he have to have the puck roll off his stick or turn away to look for who to pass to and lose control of it before there are any repercussions? 1st line RIGHT WING? 20+ TOI? This is fucking ridiculous…the stale, old “we gotta get him going” bullshit…same excuse they use when the PP is shitting the bed and they stay on for 2 minutes.

Mathieu OLIVIER is another RHS, currently with CBJ. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/o/olivima01.html

Oh and I forgot REMPE. The fact that KALIYEV and VESEY ride pine, while this guy skates six minutes is ridiculous. Either play the kid 10 or more or fucking send him to the AHL...WHERE HE BELONGS. Sweet lord, I'm starting to hate this coach worse than the other two morons...and that's saying A LOT.

I think we need 1-2 RHS Forwards. Anyone know whether SJS Fabian ZETTERLUND is an above average skater? https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/z/zettefa01.html

Welp, I hate to say I predicted this...BUT...I predicted this. LAVIOLETTE is simply no longer capable of coaching in the modern NHL. He set this team up for failure and they saw it through for him...first? The lines. I've never seen such a fucking ridiculous matching of forwards. Ever. Playing Z on the wing? BRODZINSKI as your third line forward? SMITTY Jr. on the PANARIN line? What the fuck is this guy smoking? And then to STILL skate PANARIN, Z, and TROCHECK over 20 minutes each...Bruins had ONE forward over 20 minutes. The Rangers had three. And three guys who did next to nothing today. And then the defense...Adam FOX, who had what I believe to be his WORST game of the season...maybe his career...was on for 22(!!!)minutes. In what universe does this make sense...But wait, there's more...You might be one of these strokers who thinks BORGEN is the greatest thing since sliced bread...but here's an undeniable truth: He's not as good as SCHNEIDER. Full stop. You can argue it's close...I would disagree...but there's not a universe where this guy is better than SCHNEIDER. Even if you are going to argue they're on par...they're not...SCHNEIDER is younger, cheaper and has been here longer. How in the motherfucking hell is he only on the ice for 15 minutes? HE should be the guy pairing with MILLER. And yet here we are. Fat Fuck has his favorites. They play. The rest don't. And the Rangers continue to lose...while we're calling people out...ALL THREE forwards who had over 20 minutes looked like utter ass. Z was the best of the three and he still fucked up regularly. PANARIN, outside of his one forecheck in the first that lead to the MILLER goal, was invisible. The $11.5 million dollar invisible man. Again. Overstaying his shifts. Getting off late. Totally and 100 percent ineffective. Z just continues to struggle. This is a guy who should be playing the EXACT same role CHYTIL was playing...instead? 20-plus minutes. And man, don't even get me started on TROCHECK. He was just useless today...for 22 minutes. How a team gets 2 shots in one period against the fucking Bruins is beyond me. Well, actually...it's not...you have to have a fucking ancient relic divorced from the modern realities of hockey behind the bench being a five-chinned fuck and fixating his beady little fatman eyes on the scoreboard. OH and to close...this fucking idiot pulls the goalie with 3:30 left? My god, he's a fucking moron. Again. The Rangers will go no where with that mush-brained idiot behind the bench. I'd rather have the fucktacular dotard coaching than this idiot.

Bob. Last ranger to drill Marchand when he pulled his shit was Buchnevich. He's long gone, Drury saw no use for him though.

Stevie... It's only because he didn't play on the PK. He said he was going to ease him into that. He hasn't had a practice yet and PK is a lot about knowing your partner(s).

How does lardass give 4 forwards more minutes than jt ? He plays with himself with his hands.

I would just like to ask……..game is over……why did the Rangers on the ice stand around and allow that bullshit by Marchand on Fox? Nobody comes in and blasts him? Is it in the blood? Reminds me of the Schultz-Rolfe thing again. Do none of these guys care a lick about each other?

fire dreary and Lav they are the laughing stock of the NHL. Glad it was broadcast on National TV. maybe they will see how bad this team is. JT Miller probably regrets his trade. Welcome to zero accountability.

Cape - I said this well before the trade. NYR have a lot more softies than Canucks. It’s gonna get ugly w/ JT. If this continues, you’ll prob have more rumblings before the end of Feb. If Drury wants to remake this into more of a meat and potatoes group, he’s got a ways to go. Good luck shipping out Z…not to mention Fox and Shesty if he waits until next year, if he’s so inclined. Hated giving up the first, and to Pitt if all teams

JT Miller clashed with Peterson because he was lazy and soft. Wonder what he thinks about this group ?

Best senerio for me.. strategic sellers at the deadline... fire Coaching staff after the end of the season .. reset for 25/26

I might go back to not watching this team again. I wont watch until they get rid of lavi

Lb…”Simply dreadful NYR performance in Boston. B's 4-1 after Zacha PPG late in second, Shesterkin having now allowed 13 goals on 64 shots over his last 3 starts.”

Easiest empty net probably in the league this year. I can’t believe how much I hate this team. Drury destroyed it.

You know, Z is open and by the time they see it and get it to him, the goalie has already shifted.

I watch a lot of hockey- the Rangers are the only team to miss the net so often.

The issue today is primarily the D. If you get a Top line partner for Fox, it could/should? settle everything down.

Misery loves company: Pack lose again and they are in a non PO spot. Just like the Rangers. Dreary sucks

You can’t have this many players continue to struggle and get named as trade bait, without looking at the coach his staff and the gm. To do so is denial. Any one of them should be fired to see if there’s a positive impact. Rinse and repeat until there is one.

Lindgren and Fox are playing like they're complete strangers and they're playing hockey for the first time.

I don’t give a shit how much of a “rocket” that Pasternak shot was, Shesty should have stopped it. He whiffed…

Well, we got some more holes to fill......... and though the holes were rather small, they had to count them all, now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

You can tell early on from Igor‘s body language that he didn’t look focused. Too much complaining and not enough focus. But I still maintain. It’s time for the coach to go. It’s actually overtime.

Cough puck up at the blueline.. in your net .. broken record for this team's poor defensive play .. again and again

I really wish we traded Lindgren in the JTM deal. I hope someone still wants him.

You have to look further than Borgen guys.....Fox has two goals to his credit and Scneider was out on their pointman when the PP goal went in.

After blowin that game against Colorado .. the team has reverted to the sloppy listless disinterested Rangers... happened way too easily .. there is an evident character issues.. need to be addressed this off season ... .. would Panarin accept a deal to a contender at the deadline..??

So what can the excuse be for fox now. He is playing with lindgena d he still sucks. Who else has to play poorly before lardass is fired. God he sucks as a coach

Does DD drury watch these games? What does he see? Make an appointment for an eye exam

sjw... the draft hack would be for the Rangers to tank this year... grab the pick... then do great next year and win the Cup.... hehe

Off today's effort, predict our first rounder is safe for this year.. looks like we can get top 13, so the pick will revert to 26

Mailed it in that period. Lack of effort that period. Really pathetic. They are back to the November-December Rangers. I have become almost indifferent anymore. I no longer get pissed while watching games like this anymore.

This coach is auch a fuckj g asshole. You have possibly the best in front of the met PP player and you sot him. Why why why must zbad have such an important role. Zbad panarin Nd jt miller all want the same spot on the ice on. PP. Why must Zbad be on the PP. Put kreider in front and let miller play his spot in the board.

This team has no structure, no discipline and no heart. JT must be wondering why he waived his NMC for this mess.

This was good for the first few shifts. The team is dead since then. Just lifeless. 55 on the ice for all 4 goals against.

Feels like EVERY K Miller turnover this year results in either a goal or a penalty . Shit can Phil Housley

Poor poor cosching. This team has suck poor effort. Mentally and physically. They play with no purpose. Its free for all

Absolutely pathetic performance. And now I’m sure they’ll score PowerPlay goal to put it away for Boston.

One shot this period and now we take a penalty….Against a struggling Boston team….

I’ve been saying this for quite a few months now. It doesn’t matter who is on the ice if our coaches are not coaching. There is no accountability for lazy play.

What was the stat that the Nyr are the only team in the NHL this year that has not come back and won a game that they were down by 2 or more? ….lardass will play line generator to cover his fat ass as they continue to look like shit and lose .

With today's loss, Rangers are 8 more looses away from playing golf in April. That's the math. Guess it was not a haircut that was the problem with ZShit.

Weak pass by Z to a breaking Panarin easily knocked away. Laf open in neutral ice and Smith with an equally weak pass. Annoying

Id bench edstrom and laffy. Wither they start worki g harder or they sot. Play othman and vesey. At least they wil work hard

Where’s Brad Park? He wrote a book Play The Man, this team needs to read it. They are stick checkers, so soft.

Our stars are really leading by example…these assholes should be bag skated after this

One thing I think the players forgot and maybe some fans too…..the playoffs in the east start now, and if not now, def after 4 nations. Teams are going to play extremely hard for those last two playoff slots. Unless you’re playing the Sabres, you won’t win much going through the motions. I like the No audio…let’s keep it that way. Hate Ferraro

Welp, it took hundreds and hundreds of minutes…but LINDGREN did it…he finally did it! LINDGREN finally killed FOX. And for a bonus, remade him in his own image. RIP Norris trophy player, welcome the reborn twin of the bleeding useless.

Hate to say it but this team is quitting on Lavi hate to say it but they need Quenneville.

Lack of intensity is tellin in a game like this.. going through the motions... can't get this season over fast enough for me.. ugly to watch

Dude if I were GM I’d seriously consider trading Fox for a haul als a Mikko Rantsnen trade. I’m not even sure if he’s videoed the same way. Wouod SJ send us a conditional first (top 8 whatever), a good perspective and a serviceable D man. I don’t know what the hell is wrong with Fox but this is almost 2 season now and it’s getting worse. I hate his body language anytime anything goes wrong, Trade him

Wow does this team suck. Drury you have gotten rod of many players this year. How about getting rid of the coach. Lavi. How about sitting fox. Try jones instead. Wont be much worse. At least that guy can fucking skate. Im so much better when i dont watch this shit. Fucking garbage.

You would never know the Rangers had off the last several days. BRUINS with more jump.

This team needs to get nastier players on D way too soft. Miller big and soft, Lindgren beaten to hell, Schneider has potential but getting caught up in this soft mess.

Miller is doing shit on F/O's. Z is on his line, just let him slide in and take them. I'm sure Miller wont give an F. Come on coach.

Dont just pick out lindgren. Fox 's effort sucked as well. They both suck. I guarantee you this team isnt making the llayoffs this yest

Houseless with his empty words of wisdom about defense, which is his responsibility. Fire him.

Everything about that play by Fox was weak. He lollygagged to the puck, did nothing when he for there and then they leave that guy alone in front of Igor. Subban was right…….they d zone play sucks. And the first pair cannot be that terrible,

Fox is as soft as the Pillsbury dough-boy in his own end .As a coach ,I hated "bum checks"..guys who lead with their arse on every check. They always bounce off and the other player either keeps going or makes a play to the front.

What the fuck is Mess talking about? Fucking idiot. PK has more energy about the rangers

Haha Rhet. Is PK interviewing for Rangers D coach. That clip of Fox was spot on. I’ve seen hockey midgets go in harder than that. WTF?!?

Top 6 winger?! Did someone say Perrault? Prob not ready for the show yet. I don’t trust Drury at all. Guy is a fuckimg schmuck. I’m beginning to question some of the talent evaluation on here if you don’t see that. He’s top 3 bad GM and this coach is way ost his prime. He may be the only one stupider than Drury. I mean we can all see it…Laf - JT - Cullyle. So stinking obvious. This coach is an absolute Putz. Let’s get Othmann up here. He plays with an edge and can score. Brodz is a good spare but not a dependable playoff performer

Im with PK. Im so tired by the effort this fuckjng team gives. What is that bullshit by fox. Thst fucking guys sucks this year as well. If he is goi g to suck offensively he can be so horrible defensively. Plus wtf was edstrom doing. He isnt good enough to watch the fame from the ice. Let his ass sit and play Vesey. So tired of lardass and hos coaching. He completely sucks. tD or Wild would do a better job

Uber soft lazy play by Fox.. the rest standin around watching ... laughable .. hope Miller starts lettin the "softies" have a piece of his mind

This ref def has a bias against the NYR. Heard his crew announced at the beginning of the game and knew we were fucked. Oh, JT can’t help this mess if a D. Let’s see JT rip them a new one

Great defense in their own zone as usual. Lardass is on point, hopefully of a knife.

Defensively this team is one of the worst….Will keep them out of the playoffs…

Hope Smith gets dealt. Don't mind him but K Lardiolette loves him and over uses him. Why on the PP???

Get ZBan off the ice he is playing like he has eggs in his pockets bench him for the remainder of the game

The other thing is, Z has been out leading face-off guy for the last 10-12 games. Not by a little but by a lot. So, what do we do? We put him on the wing. Talk about overthinking it to death.

Why no initial on the back of the jersey? This trade is a disaster already - j/k!!!

Leave it to beaver lardass to screw up the Nyr some more with those line combos . Just fire him already

Get great center depth and then….don’t use it. These line combos have “there is another trade coming soon” written all over them. Jonny Brod at C. Mika at TW? Move RW Smith to LW while natural LW Laf stays at RW? Oh, well, it’s the 1st game with no time to practice. Let’s see how this goes. I just want to get away from the stale odor that’s been hanging over this club all season. This is certainly one way to do it! Lol!

they moved it to 3:50 because there's 6 people in the country still watching the Panthers defeat the Blackhawks by 4 goals

A normal HC would think to themselves, great, I can finally roll 3 lines and equal amount of time. Not this guy. It's too complicated.

The NYR's have the best center depth they've ever had. Teams with comparable depth are paying them a minimum of $10 plus million each.

Please dear God, I want to see Rempe fight Marchand, lol!!! That visual would be epic. Enjoy the game Wallsters!! "LET'S-GO-RANGERS"!!!

Does JT play on the PP lile he did in Vancouver? He should to maximize his value.

So Miller between P and Z. T between Smith and Laf. Jbrod between K and Cuylle. Ugh

With Zbad, Trocheck, Miller at the pivot, LAVY must allocate the TOI at "even strength" equally. There is no reason to not have the top nine as rested as possible during the match. Adjust accordingly intra-game as special-team-time dictates. TOI of 16/16/16 +12 is where I'd start, with a sidenote of a 2:1 ratio of LHS/RHS on every line. jmhon

tdchi.....the worst part and I think someone mentioned it on here this morning ,for whatever the reason and no matter who's at fault.....the 2 of the 3 best prospects we've had in years are no longer Rangers.........and the last one left,is really starting to worry me ?

I can't imagine moving from beautiful Vancouver to the metro area...I would say no way Jose... however the food , things to do and the travel will be superior in the east coast.

What I would like to see: Panarin-Trochek-Smith, Cyulle-Miller-Lafrenier, Kreider-Zibanejad-Vesey, Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe

RF4L - Z ain't going anywhere. Not at least this season. Maybe they try to save some cap going into next season. Or maybe he decides he wants to go elsewhere, since it does seem like he'll have a diminished role with MILLER...but I think what happens next is all dependent on how this trade works out.

There are two trade “deadlines” this year. One before this long 4 Nations break and one at the actual deadline. I can understand why GMs want to make these moves before the break. This will give the new players time to adjust to the city. Get to know teammates (of course who are not playing in the 4 nations) get on the ice together. Watch video about systems. I think people overlook how distracting finding an apartment can be when you have a family, or must a significant other who lives with you. That 2 weeks will be a nice time for those guys to get a lot taken care of with minimal distraction. The exception being the guys playing. But even they won’t have the same tempo and teammates will be in a better position to help them get set up.

Newfie_Ranger - I'm not gonna lie: I feel much the same way I did about KAKKO as I now do CHYTIL. Yet another home-grown player who had bad luck and was misused over and over again by the Rangers' mentally-challenged poor choices for coach...CHYTIL should've been moved to wing YEARS ago. In fact, many of us here on the wall have lamented that truth for YEARS. He just never was that great defensively and the best he ever got at faceoffs was 'poor-but-passable.' But moreover, he is the poster child for top-line minutes. Also should've been on the PP1. Also needed MORE minutes. Expecting a kid to go from prospect to top line player with 13-14 minutes a night is just ridiculous...So we'll see. I suspect, if Fil can stay healthy in Vancouver, he will become what many of us figured he'd become here in New York...I think the reason many of us are less aggrieved by this move is 1. The Rangers got back a very good player in return; and 2. Most of us believe Fil is one hit away from retirement...but all that said? Stay tuned. I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see some Monday morning quarterbacking on moving CHYTIL.

Hospo - I can only hope Drury is thinking that way. Given his trading/team building prowess, I’m not so sure. What I would do? Everything within my power to throw bank at McDavid in 1 year when he’s a UFA. Run interference w/ his agent, whatever you have to do. Given DD’s snakey manipulative ways, he should be able to accomplish this. Prime McDavid-JT-Trochek is one hell of a healthy spine that is a legit SC contender. We also need to find a top 6 blue chip C talent in between that time and why I would have preferred to keep the first (we may very well still keep it). We need to recoup draft capital and preferably a first using the Big Soft 3. With the cap going up and some slight salary retention on P (assuming he waives or does that drop off in P’s last year?..prob not), Kreider and Z need to be forced out. You’re good at this Drury. Now get it done and get me some picks back. You don’t even need to attend the draft this year.

And the scariedt part of being sellers and remodleing the Rangers is that we/I will be counting od Dipshit Drury to totally reverse his incompetence of the past few years up through the Kakkao deal...Only in Rangerland

Might as well chime in. First thought - annoyed that we dropped youth and picks for a 30+ player, not once…but TWICE in the same JTM trade tree. Gotta be a record, lol. CHYTIL is made of glass. MANCINI? Meh. I will be way more upset if we give the goddamn pens an unconditional 1st next year, because you KNOW it will hit. So, hope and pray they get the 2025. Why isn’t LINDY gone yet? I admit that I like what I am seeing from DRURY so far. He is trying to re-make the team on the fly. And you can see by the type of players he drafts and trades for…he has a type. He has a template. I just really, really hope he keeps going in that direction. End the PANARINA era. Untie the prancing MIKA ponytail wrapped around our roster’s axle. Would LOVE to get a young C for CK at the TDL. MAVRIK BOURQUE and a conditional 2 (goes to 1 if DAL make WCF) would be an ideal like trade. Need a LD to play first pair. Note, a typical 1LD is not needed. Anyone with some size and avg skills will be a massive upgrade for poor FOX. All other things like: UFAs for picks, maybe for once be a 3rd party and get a few picks by monetizing retention slots, and even getting a cheap rental…I’m open minded for. This org is like crack. When they are hot…you can’t stop watching them. Fall apart?…you can’t stop watching them. Remake themselves on the fly?….just…can’t…stop, lol. They almost never win the grail. But drama. My god the drama. Are you not entertained? Of course you are, you silly. Even you prickly tanky ones out there. Even better, it allows your voice to shine like a thousand suns. And c’mon….what’s more important than that….

Funny that the defenseman going to Vancouver was not Zac Jones. Maybe the rest if the league does not want him either. Also interesting if the rumors of Vancouver wanting Firtescuecare accurate,

RF4L - This is the first year in awhile where i don't want the Rangers to GO FOR IT..mke moves to go for a PO run..That said I think MILLER is a move for the next 3-5 years and changing the identity of the team...but it will also help the Rangers make the POs this season..even if it's a 1 or 2 done (always chance with IGOR).. .......And to change the identity of the team that means being sellers of the Three Big Kahunas if they can (PANARINA is the deal to make!!) and lesser more essily movable piecess.like Vakinen, Lindgren, Smith, Vesey, ..O course, the first one to likely be sent packing is Zac JONES who never got a chance........Gonna be an interesting month ..maybe start with Zac Jones to Dallas ....

Jfc31 yep very true which is why I say a president trophy means absolutely nothing...I just don't see it with this team as constructed... hopefully more changes coming

VCP - I agree about this team’s PO chances this year but crazier things have happened…if Shesty goes on a heater, anything can happen. But, I think making the PO’s by itself can have good effects for our young players and it also helps separate the PO performers from the posers so future decisions can be made with that in mind. For example, I don’t think Laf got extended this season because of his good start…he got extended largely because Drury sees him as a PO player.

Speaking of FO%, I think we’re #2 in the NHL…which is amazing considering how much we all were so annoyed with how shitty we used to be at it. Trochek has devi te my helped but even Chytil had some improvement and now if JT centers a line, it should get even better. The one thing about Chytil was he didn’t get many offensive zone starts because his FO% wasn’t great.

Rhet0ric - thank you re: uniform #. I have a strange fascination with uniform numbers - I remember the Rangers hardly issued numbers beyond 49 for the 80s and 90s until Gretzky. (McSorely wore 55 for the half game he played for us?)

RF: Can't stand the fact that we're deep up the middle? WTF? Like him / hate him, Zbad is a damn good hockey player, he'll find his traction, that I'm confident of.

Reality of the picks bs is kaapo and Mr chypil are gone and laffy’s performance has put him to be next. He’s trying to outdo zbad . …. God bless and good luck to mr hockey jaromir jagr.

The wall gms who worry about picks and prospects and the vets and the cap have fun. The only reason to watch this team is to be competitive and make the playoffs. I don’t want or need another 3 years in Dairy Queen land. The cup is like winning the lottery for the Nyr. And it’s not really their goal unfortunately. For that you need a good coach who will take it on his own with his team to get that without waiting for the gm .

Two Miller's make breakfast, "a little bit better." - Well, theoretically, no more hole-in-the-doughnut for the time being. Is Kreider injured or nursing a bad back? One reason I ask is because I do not want Z'Bad on the same line as Kreider at 'even-strength." (broken record) Is Lafreniere nursing an injury? Seems to me and others that we're back to "Line-Bingo," nothing wrong with that. IMO, Drury's not done, he knows what he has, Lindgren & Jones are goners, don't need Jones when we have a K-Miller with plenty of upside offense which he still hasn't tapped into. Perhaps paired with Borgen he will. That said, we need "2" LHS defensemen, although going with 1 LHS Dman and 1 RHS D'man on the LHS isn't the most terrible thing in the world. BUFF has an abundance of LHS-D and Mattias SAMUELSON may be a Drury kind of player (https://puckpedia.com/player/mattias-samuelsson) to be continued........

Welcome back JT. He HAS to be brought in as a center. He ranks 9th in the league in Faceoff percentage at 58%. We are currently third in the league in FOP. When was the last time we could say that? 1994!?!?

I'm quite surprised that there wasn't as much up-roar over Chytil being traded as there was over Jari Kakko ?....LOL

RDW - I’m more excited about the potential of Carle coming on board after Lardasses dismissal after the season is over despite where the end up…a) 1st round playoff loss/No #1…b)out of playoff spot (#14-#15/no 1st round pick. The nightmare scenario) c) out of playoffs, litter pick between #1-#13. Hoping for C and that’s really hard for me, only to eventually get rid of the snake Drury and data’s behind the bench. Bring on Carle. Please let it be so. Look what a fresh innovative mind did for the caps

My $.02 on what I'd like to see happen with this team.....Smith, Lindgren, Vesey, Jones(there's no other option at this point) are moved by the trade deadline. Keeping all of these guys for some kind of playoff run is foolish IMO. Get what you can for them and call up Berard, etc.. to fill in. CK and Z are different stories. Z, IMO, has to go at this point. One of the benefits of bringing in Miller is that Z is going to get some favorable matchups. Let's hope he gets on a roll and finds some confidence. Maybe Drury can move him by the deadline without retaining too much salary. I still do think Dallas is a potential landing spot for him. As far as CK goes....he's had a great career as a Ranger so I don't just want to get rid him for the sake of getting rid of him. That being said, he could fetch a really good return. He does seem to be injured to some extent now, so I'm not sure if that will cool the market on him. Also, I realize all of my thoughts on this are complete bull shit that will never happen because Dolan/Drury are fully committed to making some kind of PO run and we live in hockey purgatory.

"LET'S-GO-RANGERS"!!! I'm (((Fired-up))) for this trade and today's game!!! Can you feel the shift in power and energy?!?! lol ;-) "LET'S-GO-RANGERS"!!!

Rhet0ric..i know...i know dolan doesnt care...i am being silly for thinking this

vcp: I don't think you're going to get your wish of Drury getting fired but I think it's pretty much set in stone that Lardio won't be back. Even if they somehow make a miracle run to the ECF I'd still bet he's done here. TD has mentioned David Carle before and I'm guessing he's probably Drury's choice to take over.

VCP.... How would that work in your mind? I am not a Drury fan, but he has made the playoffs all three seasons and also made the Conference Finals two out of the three. Why would Dolan fire him? Also: Glen Sather was GM for 15 years here.10 of those years were pretty mediocre and he was never in danger of being fired. That is Dolan's MO. He doesn't care too much about the NYR's.... In regard to LAVI: He probably get's fired in the offseason, unless the team does well.

i dont see the point of making the playoffs with this bunch . simply not built for it as constructed although one less marshmallow helps. I want drury and laviolette GONE!!

Hells. Geesh that would be a freaking living nightmare. Penguins get a lottery win with the Rangers 2026 pick. It just might happen too.

Okay, guys. On a serious note. I am really worried about Sam when we play the Canucks. He will have two Millers on the Rangers and three (3!) Petterson's on the Canucks, including two Elias Pettersons. This could put him over the edge!

Hospo: OMG I hope you're right. Kreider I'd not by the deadline needs to go at the draft hopefully for a low first and a prospect. Z with 30 to 40% cap retention should be moveable albeit for minimal return. And P if the Rangers eat 1/4 of his salary would fetch a very good return. Perhaps that young upcoming center.

I think the team's record will be worse next season since they will continue to retool and they won't have the benefit of the good early season run. Panarin will be moved at the deadline and a team of 21 year olds never does well. They are probably best off just making or missing the playoffs this year so the Pens get the worst worst possible pick. You know next year they will win the lottery for the Pens if it comes down to that.

Rhet- playoffs?!? Playoffs?!? (In my best Jim Mora impersonation). Followed by and evil laugh by Dr. Evil. I like JT, but not as much at 32 and this dude is a proven headcase. I’m sure Zibanajed is already hiding in a bathroom stall crying and ducking his thumb. JT plays the infamous role of Seabass in that scene

TD... I don't think Miller plays anywhere but center(sans the PP or late game)..... In Chytil's last game, he played 17:15.... Z-Bad had 18:11.... TRO had 17:11.... I think we'll see more of that. Trocheck has been playing too many minutes this season (in the 20's)... this will keep him more fresh for the playoffs.

I think the success of the season now hinges on how this trade, strangely enough, impacts Peter LAVIOLETTE. Sometimes deals can force a coach into deploying his team in a matter consistent with how they should be deployed...we all know MILLER is going to get big minutes. The question now is where they will come from...CHYTIL was generally skating 12-13 minutes. That leaves a balance of probably 5 or 6 minutes that needs to get paid from somewhere...also where he plays MILLER. I bet his instinct will be to move him to the wing and role BRODZINSKI as his third line center...in which case you can bank on this team going nowhere quick...other question will be who comes off PP1 and how they take it. Z is the obvious candidate...but could also be KREIDER...Anyway, I haven't changed my thinking that the Rangers just aren't going to win with LAVIOLETTE as coach. Here's to hoping I'm wrong. Dead wrong. We shall see this afternoon...

Rhet0ric - yeah, the Pens kinda took Vancouver to the cleaners. Got their top pick from the last draft AND a first rounder. There's DRURY bad, and then there's whatever the fuck is going on over there, which is on a different level. That team will definitely be in the market for a first overall next season...

Hah..and still hate the KAKKAO trade ndDrury's perfromance the past 2 years...God, convincing myself to not have patience..SCREW DRURY..SCREW LAVIOLETTE!! :)

Doesn't mean I won't bitch at FAT Bstard/Lard Ass when i see his lines and player managemwent...As The Call said...Let The Day Begin!.........Should be interesting today, BOS should be pissed after two bad losses

RF4L - And to me, that means upcoming (Time TBD) deals of Kreider, ZBAD, LINDGREN, Vakanienen, Smith....and, here's the one that makes the most sense to replentish assest AND make the team More MEAT and POTTOES...the Dealing o PANARINA which will bring in the biggest haul if it can be done....I'm hoping DRURY is thinking along these lines to restock and remolds the team...and if those deals happen before the deadline, OTH aand BERRARD move up..Hell, maybe PERRAULT comes in erly, or the other COllege kid eberybody likss...I don't often do it, but gonna have some patiendce to see the next moves and the entire picture

RF4L - Like I said last niught in acknowledughing the the Ranges, as is, despertely to refind a good Young center and another good Wing to move forward as early as the deadline and this off season.....DRURY doesn't follow the MILLER deal, which i like, with a further changing of the core by jettisoning vets and bringing in young players, then this could be a disaster for the future....I'm gonnaa give Drury to between now and July to do that, even if I have my doubts

In the short term the Nyr will be a better team, unless sather jr tries to tinker some more before the deadline. He will be by the deadline because he constantly gets his cap at of whack. Speaking of whacking, his next move should be his coach unless the players give him a stay of execution. If DD drury keeps him for next season, he’s DD definitely dumb.

gene_carr.... Under the old rules, a team could decide whether he gets to keep it or not after a trade... Today, he automatically has it reinstated with his new team..

When Miller voided his no movement clause to come to the Rangers it is my understanding that he does not have that protection now which could be a factor in a few years?

Rangers get a playoff run guaranteed with miller. that is the drury goal. only way we lose this is if the pick becomes a top 10 player in 2026. that would imply some sort of collapse next year. millers history is if he is going to stir up shit it takes a few years, here, tampa then vancouver, but now by that time he will be close to done and that fact should make him easier to get along with. I am not worried about that aspect of his character. Barring significant injuries we are in the playoffs this year and next. Drury saved his job.

All 4 Rangers centers now over 30. The first is top 13 protected meaning no POs could still be no high first. Very risky trade IMO that reeks of Sather's acquisition of MSL 11 years ago. Dreary's emulation of Sather's how to build a cup team blueprint is for me very disconcerting. At least with this version there is some bright not old talent. The aging core which now has 5 over 30 highly paid forwards means win very soon because another rebuild is on the horizon...

Im sorry we re-acquired JT. That said, he's here and he does have talent. PLEASE let this coach keep him at center. Anyone remember how many times the coaches kept moving him to winger? That said, I dont like giving up draft picks. Losing Chytil was a no-brainer. Im an oldie so the term "glass jaw" means something to me, and if chytil was a boxer - that describes him to a T.

CHYTIL- Check Chytil stats and lack of assists, which showed he didnt make his teammates better, nor did he score enough to justify keeping him.. Chytil reminded me of my least favorite NYRs, Petr Nedved, in some regards. Glad to move on from Chytil and his injury risk. Actaully crazy Drury was able to offload Chytil with the risk of career ending hit looming.

JT Miller, brings Messier qualities, long-time friend of Trocheck, is a great add knowing the weaknesses of the NYR roster. Always hate giving up #1 pick, but maybe Drury can recoup a #2 by trading Kreider/Lindgren. Two MAJOR factors arethe salary cap rising from $88M to $114M over 3 years, which adds the option of contract buyout(s) "ZBAD' and the $11.8M liability of Panarin, coming off the books July 2026. Drury (a former Center) is rebuilding NYRs via Center position first, and his next steps this summer will be to replace Lindgren and find a LD1 partner for Fox, and upgrade RW2 and replace Smith. Drury needs to balance the NYR lineup, which is top heavy w LWs and find a way to move Lafrenierre back to his natural LW position, while creating opportunities for Perrault, Berard, Othmann etc.

So, apparently the CANUCKS were thinking yesterday, "How can we make the JT Miller trade even worse?" ...I don't get what they're thinking over in VAN. If they are planning on rebuilding, they're doing a sh-t job so far. If we put Lindgren in the deal, could we have saved the 1st round pick?

God lard ass is so effing filled with hot air..He can say whatever he wnts but if he plays MIller with a stationary Kreider and either Brodz or AK3, well JT will strt an instant muting and they won't find a way to anywhere but outside the POs

A four letter word for lardass, work…..”It’s all part of what Peter Laviolette called Friday a year in which his team is “having to work a little harder” to find success. The head coach called last year, when the Rangers won the Presidents’ Trophy for finishing with the most points in the league, “a year where the players or the team or whatever it might be seemed to find its way. This year, we’re having to work a little harder for everything.”

With the shape that this team has been in this season, jt should be a big improvement over Mr chypil . jitters play wing or center, and he’s friends with throatcheck . While lardass can continue to play zbad as his checking line center against the other teams top lines . And maybe DD drury will take a step back and write a new memo for the deadline. His list probably has lindgren, not ok miller, Kreider, jones and Vesey in his vest pocket labeled cya 1. He has at least 2 more cya pockets along with his destruction list. If his coach can’t get them into the playoffs, he’s toast. Which might get Dolan to make DD the butter. Those 2 together have taken most of the players performance down two notches. That’s leadership in the wrong direction. Hopefully jitters will be the bomb in the room to change that while giving those two the agita they have earned and deserve.

PJ: He played HIS game last year or perhaps played to fit in with Trocheck. This year he is seeming to fall into the trap of trying to be too fancy. Maybe he needs a reset of sorts. If he gets going with JT, then there is an option to jumpstart the offense in a stale game or create a matchup problem for another team by putting Laf with Bread and Tro...But I think trying to find something else that works is better for the team, because you don't want to run into a situation needing something to change, and not have any idea what will hit.

Laff was terrific with Panarin last year so not sure why it still can’t work…

Hospo: Don't forget about Othmann. But I get your concern about up and coming players. The good thing is they have plenty of bottom 6 types coming along. Sykora, Berard, Laba, Lamb, Roobroeck, Chmelar, McConnell-Barker. Thats 7 guys there at least who have differing levels of probability. But if just 3 of them turn out you will have too many bottom 6 guys.

JFC and I agree on Laf and his playing style. He is able to change his style to fit his linemates. But he is not as effective when he is playing a skill game. Bread needs a skill game guy with him, that's just who he is. Now that's not bad, in fact its good, you need that. So perhaps Kaliyev is the guy for that other wing. Not excited about the defensive side of things, but maybe you put Zib there, or just leave Trocheck with Bread since they have worked well together before. Kaliyev is a shooter, and Panarin is a passer, so maybe that clicks. I would at least give it a run for a game or two. And like you said, Laf with JT and Cuylle, that could be a hell of a line. Alternatively, Kreider may work on the left side of that line as well. I would go with Cuylle first, but if it doesn't click, see if Kreider does. Things look one way on paper, and another on the ice and chemistry is a strange thing...so without wasting too much time, a few things should be looked at, I think.

JFC: I don't think Kreider goes in season. If they do make the post season, he is far and away the highest post season goal scorer they have. He has done it under the bright lights of NY. If they do make it and do go on a run, he will be part of that. And if they don't, I think no matter what he is an offseason move. I think out of respect for him and his mates, and his trade would be the biggest shaker of the room there has been, they will do it when there is time for him to process, and the team to process. And I think they will give him a long heads up. I could be totally wrong of course, but something about what has been said and done makes me think that he isn't as available as the rumors made it seem. What I mean is, I think teams did call, and Drury had a price set so high that no one will match it.

JFC - My thoughts exactly on a potnetial Laffy-MIller-Cuylle...That line is just too good to be true for us!

Cuylle-Miller-Lafrenière This line would terrorize the NHL. I’d love to see Laf emulate JT Miller’s style instead of always deferring to Panarin. A big part of Laf’s tool kit is his grit & he doesn’t show enough of it playing with Panarin. He needs to play like JT, not Bread

PJ - I hear, especially since I am way past my glory days!...Just a few things..MILLER can be more bout the next 5 yers and not just this year...And CHYTL and his head scares the shit out of me....Boom Boom Mancini? a decent player, tke him over Vakainen any day, but the jury is still out......As always, it's the next moves by DRURY taht are now the most important.........Like I sid the other day.......Panarina-Tro-OTHMAN; Laffy-Miller-Cuylle, Kreider-ZBD-Smith, Remps-Carrick-Edstrom.....Of course, it's likely BRODZ with Miller and Kreider (yikes, JT might turn tail nd run far away!!)

I like the trade if I thought this years team is going anywhere…I am hopeful but I still don’t believe we make the playoffs…Too weak defensively….I liked Mancini and the first would help the pending rebuild…The other two the Canucks threw in may as well be me and Hospo as much as they will help…

The CANUCKS seemed to have cornered the market on Petterssons. I guess they got their defenseman that they wanted.

Defijnitely a polarizing deal on here and in Ranger land...Good for business!!! RF4L (and others with the same opinion) - I understand your take....We just gave up a #1 and CHYTL...As recent as this past summer, much of the Rangers future was tied to the improvement of KAKKAO, CHYTL and LAFFY..and now two are gone along with the #1..And where the hell do the Rangers get a YOUNG Center (hell a young wing not named Perrault)....It's a big concern.....That's why the only way for this to works is there to be more to this, more gutting, more remaking of the core between now and July...Is Drury the mn to do it? That's a big concern..It's hard to hve patience but Hell in 3 weeks the Rangers can be selling everybody.......In the mentime...TRO-MIller as your top two C's for the next few yers isn't bad

NYStranger - Been saying for awhile to put ZBAD and Kreider back together with Cuylle going with CHYTL or MIller...Make Kreider-Zbad-smith Fat Bastard's "Shut Down " line for this year or until ZBAD is a Ranger no more....

The cap is estimated to be going up to $113 million for ‘27-‘28. Laf’s contract will look like a bargain and he needs to sign Cuylle & K’Andre

I liked Fil, but one more head shot and he is done. It thrilled with a first rounder in this deal, but I am happy that Miller is back. He is just what the Rangers need. He is by far the best player in the deal. And with the cap going where it is……..there will be opportunities to improve the club via free agency.

More like $16,418,170. I think we're more likely to be in the market for a defensive upgrade. Maybe make smaller trades like Vesey, Jones, etc. I guess it depends on how good we're looking closer to the trade deadline.

And I still think Kreider is on thin ice at this point…he could still be gone at the trade deadline if Drury wants to take a huge July 1 swing…

The other thing you gotta give Drury credit for is where he has his team cap-wise. He has OPTIONS. He’ll have around $20 million at the trade deadline if he wants to try and take a swing on a big fish pending UFA like Jacob Chychrun he can then extend. Either way, he’ll also have enough space to go get Chychrun as a UFA and give up nothing but $$$. But, I’m more in line with TDCHI regarding offense….maybe Boeser but I think the Rangers already have nice pieces like Perrault, Berard, Sykora, etc. I’d rather see him go after a Dman like Chychrun

No matter what happens this season, I am convinced that they will never find anything on The Curse of OAK ISLAND. I blame Drury.

And duh this makes the Rangers better. Now. Cup bound? That's the question isn't it? If no more futures gone for nothing. If yes woohoo!!!

Scrolling down and seeing the jubilee from some over this trade is very typical. Dolans likely equally enthused.

The NYR 2025 pick is top 13 protected. If it ends up in the top 13, VAN would then get the NYR 2026 1st outright.

My take? MILLER is EXACTLY what this team needs. And they got him for next to nothing, relatively speaking. MILLER-TROCHECK-ZIBANEJAD is bad-ass. That's the strongest middle the Rangers have had since '94. No question about it. And if JT has got another two or three years at this level? He is more than worth what they paid for him. They also have some really nice complements coming a long. BERARD and OTHMAN. EDSTROM is already here. REMPE even. And of course PERREAULT. Drury doesn't need to do much of anything...Like, I think about JT on a line with CUYLLE and LAFRENIERE...Those are two guys that play JT's game. That's one fuck of a line. Then we can go back to bromancing the stone with KREIDER and Z. Give them KALIYEV or VESEY as their RW and that's one of the best third lines in hockey. And fuck. Let SMITTY Jr. and TROCHECK follow around PANARIN. Those are good lines right there, and even before you get to the fourth line...This is a good, balanced group of forwards with JT. NOW...how the boob coach decides to play them is another thing. But let's see. I would say I'm cautiously optimistic, but...well...Ya'll know my feelings on this coach.

Well, if any of you are cards players and throw down with Hearts, I'll tell you what DRURY is trying to do: Shoot the moon. This, of course, is when you lose every trick of the game. And at first, other players just think you suck...but at Hearts, if you lose every trick? You win the game. But that's the thing. If you don't? You just lose bad. Really bad. Trading for MILLER is taking that jump...shooting the moon...Was the deal bad? Meh? CHYTIL was never going to reach his top end with the Rangers. He had a shot at it for six games and fate dealt him a terrible hand. Him skating on third line with hardly any PP time was never going to get him anywhere. He was languishing here under a coach that simply couldn't see to giving him the role he deserved...huh. Have we heard that before?! MANCINI was toast. It was either him or SCHNEIDER the second BORGEN signed that deal. I really figured SCHNEIDER, because he's closer to a big payday and again. LAVIOLETTE never seems to give him the space he needs to become the player he is...But now? Who knows. MANCINI was never going anywhere in New York what they have down the right side...so really...at this point...this trade comes down to THREE important things...1. What happens with that first rounder. If the Rangers continue to falter, and they bow out of playoff contention, a pick between 14 and 20 would be a VERY nice add to the prospect pool. Maybe not a sure shot, but the chances of there being a player of MILLER's caliber is rather high at this point...2. How LAVIOLETTE decides to play MILLER. I think it's safe to say he's not going to get 12-13 minutes and limited time on the PP. Or is it? Question being, if he IS played the way he should be played, who loses out on the ice. And as silly as that may sound to some, I could easily see a situation where MILLER bumps LAFRENIERE out of the top six...and 3. Whether the bluster about him being this caustic presence...this bullying pariah of a player...throws this team into a real spin.

I hope JT Miller walks in to the locker room like Joe Clark and says to Z and Laff… “ What the hell are you people doing “? Laff needs to be barked at .

VCP - temporary reprieve is absolutely fine…he deserves to have his feet held to the fire. But, in this case, whether it be a blind squirrel scenario or whatever, he won this trade and the team is now better for the present & at least a couple of seasons more. But, yeah…Drury has more work to do tomidx what he is presiding over

And yes if we get rid of ZBAD wooohooooo...two softies chytil and ZBAD gone.. panarin is next if out of the playoffs...

Coloradormark thanks for the notirity...I was always wanted to be famous well actually rich not famous lololol .. chytil I am ok with him. Too soft too fragile.... otherwise 32 year old honestly unsure....yes good this year and next but beyond that hmmmm

the trade was excellent for the NYRs.... Just to make it perfect would be getting rid of Zbad.... and somehow replacing him with a player like Lundell.... a younger center with skill and upside.... obviously Florida ain't trading Lundell but some one with that same trajectory....

Not very important but I’m wondering what uniform number JT will wear? He was #10 here pre-Panarin. #9 is obviously unavailable. Does he go his original #47. Do he and K’Andre go with the first initial?

I say put Z back with Kreider. They are both black holes 5 on 5 with whomever they play with .. might as well not infect two other lines…stick Vesey on the other wing. That will be his punishment for wanting to be in the lineup.

8 mill per 3rd line Center.....And I m no huge fan of DRURY but he did get the player he wanted (who I like) for a better price than earlier after pulling back...Gotta give him some props for that

Actuallly, I'm pretty jazzed bout MILLer!!!! ..And you sure as hell can't have am * mill per 3rd line center past the end of this season

The reported attitude issues of Miller, not the plyer or performer, is a risk I admit...but..the price was pretty low for the player,,,,and if the Rangers find away to finish the retool of the core with tne mandatory (I think) eventaul trade of ZBAD and notherm move or two, the number 1 or more will be returned and, well, I'll take the risk of MIller over the risk of 5 more years of what ZBAD has turned into. Just my take

Jackson Dorrington 2021-22 Team: Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL) Date of Birth: April 13, 2004 Place of Birth: North Reading, MA, USA Ht: 6-foot-2 Wt: 192 pounds Shoots: L Position: D Rankings NHL Central Scouting: 71st (amongst NA skaters) Draft Prospects Hockey: 102nd McKeen’s Hockey: 150th Jackson Dorrington, along with his brother Max who plays for St. Lawrence University, are distant cousins of the late Art Dorrington. Art was the first black hockey player to sign an NHL contract, though he never played in the NHL. Now, Jackson looks to hear his name called in the NHL Entry Draft ahead of his first collegiate season. Related: THW 2022 NHL Draft Guide First and foremost, he’s a big guy who looks to play a two-way game. He uses his size to engage physically and can use either his size or his stick to take the puck from opponents in puck battles. He’s also used that size to defend opposing rushes and deny zone entries. Additionally, he had decent gap control and the ability to pivot well to either side. He doesn’t take many risks with the puck, and can use that safety to make smart breakout passes to help his team transition into the offensive zone. Given the time and space, especially while on the power play, he can make some good passes to set up teammates. He struggles with certain aspects of skating, despite some of the aforementioned successes. He doesn’t have the best agility or acceleration and can be beaten wide by opposing forwards. He also has some low-IQ moments that he’ll look to improve upon at the collegiate level, and can be caught out of position and cheating in some cases in the defensive zone. He’ll play for Northeastern University starting in the 2022-23 season.

I will hold cautious optimism on the trade - well I will wait and see how things shake out before saying great, good or bad. Maybe Drury can turn around and trade z for the 1st rounder he just lost. That would make my week! Don’t like giving up Mancini. Would have made more sense to trade Lindgren but Drury is obviously going for it to try and make the POs. But if this really is his goal why the Eff is Laviolette still the head coach? Next few games should be interesting and will be telling as to what needs to happen next.

I’m going to stick to my previous takes. Not a fan of trading for Miller. Though the original prices were along the lines of Schneider a first a second Othmann and another player like Chytil or even a less desirable to be moved guy. So the price isn’t that bad IMHO. Mancini hurts, but reports are the rangers saw him long term as a 5/6. If that’s true, well, if that’s how his career turns out then the trade price is even better than I think right now. But I still worry about the length of his contract he wears out his welcome. If he had this year and two more I would be happier. But he has this year and what 5 more? Also his cap hit doesn’t bother me. If the cap is hitting 100 million plus within a coupe years. He will not be making much more than a lot of centers who will be producing at his level at that time most likely. It’s the other part of his being there that worries me the most. It’s a big swing, and big swings lead to only a couple outcomes. A sterile, a pop up for an easy out even a double play, or a home run. I have assumed one of the first two. Let’s hope my evaluation is wrong.

The job now is to get rid of ZBAD somehow , someway..and until then...Play CUYLLE with MILLER!!!

Don't care all that much bout Mancinin..and less so the number 1 really (it can be recouped)...I like CHYTL but not at one hit away...And I LOVE JT MILLER the player....Thumbs up from me!!!!

So far during his tenure Drury has essentially given up a good part of a five year rebuild through the draft to retrieve a guy the team already had but who's now several years older. Ok. Heck of a job, Brownie.

TSN’s Farhan Lalji reports (Twitter link) that center Filip Chytil is among the pieces going to the Rangers. Larry Brooks of the New York Post relays (Twitter link) that New York will receive Miller and two prospects for Chytil, defenseman Victor Mancini, and a protected first-round pick while Friedman reports (Twitter link) that the two prospects are defensemen Erik Brannstrom and Jackson Dorrington.

I am torn. Miller is an upgrade over Chytil. Chytil was younger, a better teammate and had more speed. But his health was suspect, he was wildly inconsistent and all these factors made us still wanting more. I liked fil. But as VCP said many times, he was too fragile for the NHL and wasn’t a proven playoff performer. Miller is a power forward, a center who is a PIA to play against. If Z can turn his game around, Z-Miller-Tro-Carrick is a pretty solid center Corps. The intangibles? Miller is a possible locker room cancer. We don’t know for sure, but it’s hard to say he’s an innocent bystander in the drama department. I don’t like that centers 1-3 are all 31 and Carrick is 32. And the top 3 are signed through 29 or 30. That doesn’t matter for the next few years, but we could be back in the Jurassic Mark era quickly! The complimentary part of the trade: Mancini was nice but as pointed out, he was blocked. Brannstrom could be interesting. No nothing about Dorrington. 1st rounder? Sucks. Drury wanted to shake up the core. I think he succeeded in that at least.

just caught the opinion on Sportsnet broadcast of the Nucks game... analysis..the return is "ok" .. Nucks waited too long and did not get the return they wanted , once Carolina went in a different direction ....sounded like they wantedan NHL ready D like lindgren or Schneider...just passin on what they were talkin about

Jfc31 ok I will go with your wisdom....but he is 32 ....not 28....but should I stop hating Drury or do I give him a temporary reprisal.

VCP - yes, you’re crazy. Miller is still one of the best players in the NHL. The team that gets the best player wins the trade…except when it’s the Rangers! Chytil is ONE HIT AWAY from oblivion and we’re complaining? Mancini? LOL! They wanted SCHNEIDER and Drury DARED THEM to trade Miller to someone else! The Canucks LOST…the Rangers WON THE TRADE! Can’t we be fucking objective for fucking once! Geezus!

I guess from this day forward, anything good that happens with the NYR's be the MILLER effect. Anything bad that happens.... will still be Mika Zibanejad's fault, I mean who am I kidding?

Scrolling down…yep, that’s what I thought! LOL! Yeah, JT Miller ducks, he’s a scrub, it won’t make a difference….hes too expensive…a1st round draft pick?….Mancini is a future STAR! I don’t give A FUCK about a 1st round draft choice…after all, the Rangers suck at developing players too…not just under Drury, right? They suck st developing…but we NEVER should give up a 1st rounder, right! This shit is hilarious!

Some of the vitriol regarding this trade seems a bit overblown. I don't love giving up the first. I really loved Chytil as a player, but he's unfortunately unreliable at best when it comes to staying healthy. You simply can't ever plan to have Chytil for a full year and you have to wonder what happens when the physicality ramps up in the playoffs. I wish him nothing but the best and I hope the worst of his injuries are behind him. I loved watching him play, but he just couldn't be a piece to build around. I really liked what I saw from Mancini, but he's not a projected as a top 4 guy. Miller is a bulldog. He's a "drag you into the fight" type of player and a difference maker. Yes, he's on the wrong side of 30, but there is no question that the Rangers got the best player in this trade. I can't say I love the trade, but I also don't hate it. It changes the dynamic and I'm excited to see what impact it has.

Well, maybe JT will be on his best behavior with his good buddy Trocheck? I thought the rumors when he was last here wasn’t the divided locker room. Yeah, this will go well.

OK, do as far as I’m concerned this is an excellent trade for the Rangers…both the now and the near future! So now what are the haters gonna say? Oh, anyone could a made that trade…Drury got lucky…he still sucks…is he fired yet?

CoMARK... It made no sense, They usually have the tweets within the story and I didn't see anything like the headline. It came down when the trade came through. I didn't have time to get all the way thru it.

I am pissed do I make sense??? A first rounder, and mancini and we took the whole 8 million. Am I crazy?

Good trade, we're better now then yesterday. Fil is 1 hit away from calling it quits, Mancini isn't playing over anyone in front of him and 1st round picks are a shitshow for us and most teams, just trade well for younger proven talent. And we have an attitude now that I hope spreads to 20 and 93

Rhet- did you read that article you posted about Kaliyev? Talk about clickbait. Looks like an article written by someone who used a translator to convert their language to English. Nothing burger!

That's not how that works. Miller has been picking on Pettersson for years. It started when Pettersson was playing well.

Dont like goving up a first and i like chytil but Fil was one hit away from him being done. Mancini wasnt playing over the 3 in front of him or kAndre. Doesn JT playwing or center

Ranger47: from reports darting back to his draft year, he is a project. But also NCAA so he has been developing and will continue to. Seems the consensus is a bottom pair guy, maybe a guy that gets a 6/7 role. Big strong, skating is an issue or was at the draft, would imagine in NCAA he has improved that. Say he makes nice safe plays to get the puck up into transition. I would imagine he won’t blow anyone’s shoes off

Rhet: the thing with Lindgren was when someone asked who has stepped up in leadership after Trouba left. That’s when he brought up Lindgren and along with Trocheck. From the question asked and his response I don’t believe he was saying he saw him as a future captain. But just that he had stepped up and he could see him as a captain. I think that’s just the respectful thing to do. That take has nothing to do with him likely being gone after this season…or even at the deadline.

Erik Brannstrom is going to the Pack. Jackson Dorrington is a Junior in college and we will need to sign him to a contract.

The kiss of death?….” Peter Laviolette on Jimmy Vesey: «Jimmy's an important piece to this team. He's proven that. Right now we've gone with a lineup, and like all the players that aren't in there, we just ask them to keep working hard. We're more than confident in our team and their abilities to come in and make a difference.»”

Drury fired yet fuckin asshole another 32 year old...8 million, mancini fuckin Drury

Anyone have the skinny on Jackson Dorrington and Erik Brannstrom. Are they Wolfpack bound?

What is next DD drury? Are you ready to fire your coach or just trade more of your players?

I don't know WTF is going on with LINDGREN. The other day Laviolette said that he could see Lindgren being a future captain. Love him as a player but he seriously looks like he's deteriorating.

First round pick included. Duck when my pal RF4L gets here! Rangers can take the first day of the draft off now. Sorry to lose Mancini, but with Fox,Schneider and Birgen ahead of him, I get moving him.

New York Rangers Arthur Kaliyev Fires Back At Peter Laviolette After Being Disciplined By Him.... https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/new-york-rangers-arthur-kaliyev-fires-back-at-peter-laviolette-after-being-disciplined-by-him

I guess not. Rangers have acquired JT Miller and two prospects in exchange for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini and protected first-rounder, Post can confirm.

Emily Kaplan - Two other pieces are going along with Miller to the Rangers. JT is expected to play tomorrow in Boston. We’ll have the game on ABC.

Per Mercagliano Canucks wanted Schneider but #NYR repeatedly said no, so they pivot to a less proven young right-handed defenseman with a similar profile.

New York Rangers Arthur Kaliyev Fires Back At Peter Laviolette After Being Disciplined By Him

Mancini took warmups and was expected to be in the Wolf Pack lineup tonight. He’s been replaced by D Case McCarthy.

Post See new posts Conversation Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli.... Sounds like other #Canucks pieces and prospects are going with Miller to #NYR as part of a package. ....Larger deal this time around.

BREAKING: Canucks' JT Miller Being Traded to New York Rangers...https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2025/01/breaking-canucks-jt-miller-being-traded.html

Bob - LOL EXACTLY! PELLETIER is a bit more his style, but he's a smallish forward. But I gotta say, I have ZERO idea what they're thinking here. Definitely not "Flyer" type material. And they were, they sure as shit ain't Torts material...

CO- that’s what I am here for… comic relief! Lord knows we need some right now. I am just so disgusted with the whole organization.

"The Golden Knights have agreed to terms on a one-year contract with winger Brandon Saad after he officially clears unconditional waivers and became a UFA at 1:00 pm CT, per a team announcement. It’s worth a prorated $1.5MM for the remainder of the season, Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet reports." Not a fit for the Rangers, but given the VEGAS size maybe SAAD brings a good complimnet to them--we'll see SUnday

TDCHI - I watched BOQVIST a bunch earlier in the season when he was on my Fantasy team...he was shit..and soft shit..FLA obviously thinks the same and I'll trust them also...Glad the ISLES could scoop him up before the rangers..Another guy that would have been impossible to watch

The Islanders claimed BOQVIST. What are y'all talking about?! Good player. I would've liked him on the Rangers...if they didn't already sign Will BORGEN. But BORGEN is probably more what they need. BOQVIST is an all-offense guy. Defense has always been secondary. It's why the Jackets cut him loose. It's why the Hawks traded him. And ultimately, it's why the Panthers waived him.

Wow. Just finally getting a chance to weigh in...but holy SHIT the Flyers got taken to the cleaners...HARD. FARABEE **AND** FROST?! Man. KUZMENKO has been a zero since his first year and has to be one of the most overpaid wingers in the league. PELLETIER isn't bad, but he's just a smallish winger. Flames just got A LOT better. The Flyers? Meh? Not quite.

Hospo: How have we gone from a team that was supposed to have been among the league's elite to now coveting other team's waiver wire excrement as a means of becoming great again? SAD!

Puckyou - Totally agree, unless Drurys aim is to complelty blow up the lockeroom and chemistry and start from scratch ala the White Flag Era which ensures him of 3-4 more years.....But, moving on from Drury, Laviolette could do a MUCH better job of utilizing his bench and role players (hell, just a game here or there) withot alienating them and jsut causing more friction to a fragile team mindset

WILD - Regarding your "Lindgren" post..AGree with all of that..with or without lindgren (I think he's a goner)...The toughness and the physicality on the D (if the POs) matter will need to be ramped up..They should also let SCHNEIDER play more!

I read Vesey being honest with Brooks and Jones (it sux) same to Molly Walker are taking a page out of Kakko’s book and saw how Drury got rid of him in a couple of days. They want off the Island, these guys aren’t dumb, they know to never say what you’re thinking to a reporter unless you no longer want to be there. Jones has arguably been the best soldier of all and he is watching his best years ruined by a coach that won’t play him and can’t even go to the AHL without waivers, yet lardass won’t throw him in for a game? Vesey took a below market deal just to have a job instead of PTO every year and now literally is dying on the vine . The only thing worse than playing on a shit team is not playing on a shit team- you can’t crack that lineup? I wish those 2 well. If Drury thought making an example out of Kakko would stop the bleeding in the locker room ,well I think it backfired

Hospo: I think we are going to see a "Lindgren" brought in. I don't know HOW they will do that, like who or what will be traded to get that guy. But Lindgren in reality, is what makes the D good overall (when he is on his game that is) so I don't expect Drury and the rest of the management to just toss aside that dynamic. So, I think they will be searching for a guy like Lindgren, as close to a clone as possible, but with the caveat of being a bit bigger so he can withstand the playing style and perhaps just slightly "better" on the puck. But I don't think they will be looking for a top NHL guy, like a guy that could be THE guy on the top pair...Fox doesn't need that. But it's clear Lindgren is done, he won't be resigned, and if he is, it will be to play the 3rd pair, and he will have to take a pay cut...and I don't see a player doing that. He will get a nice contract from a team to be on the top 4 and for multiple years. With the cap going up like it is, I would be SHOCKED if he doesn't get 3 years maybe 4 at a 5-5.25 AAV. Doesn't mean it will be an offer from a top team, but the offers will be there. No way he will take 3 mil from the Rangers to play limited minutes.

Anyone feel like a zoom ??? Probably not since I have asked a few times....okey last call for a zoom sometime today ??? 3 or 4 pm EST.

WILD - It doesn't mean it isn't there, but I'm not seeing it or who...all I can ask is if there is a real problem, do me a favor and try and find a way to resolve it or move past it without burning the fucking place down and hurting so many other people..

Oh and Adam Boqvist on Rangers .Please God, somebody else pick up this schmoe...pretty plese with a cherry on top?...Not what the Ranger need, a soft light weight prancing D-man who can't generate offense anymore and is like FLA's 9th Dman...OTOH, may be a smart pick up so the Rangers could plug him in the top six and deal BOTH SCHNEIDER and Jones..

Hospo: Yeah. someone ONLY says a specific thing when I post something that in any way contradicts what they think. Its purposeful and childish. And I have brought it up to them multiple times. SO, it is clear to me that they do not have the maturity or integrity to quit doing it.

WILD - Ya know, I tried looking back to see who said what to even make you say such a damn thing..Did I miss a personal attack or insult? (that's very possible)

Hospo: Well yes. If the shit keeps going. Once again, talk to the person starting the shit. Ask them why they want to risk it. I am not saying anything that everyone here doesn't know and didn't see without me saying something

andrei: Apparently on those cap numbers, there were footnotes that were very clear that those were penciled in and could go up. That is crazy to me. It is already showing over 1 million over player on average in 3 seasons. I wonder when the teams got this info, and then the agents as well. That could be a reason why contracts like Borgen for some look a bit high. 7th D are going to be close to 2 mil in 3 years based on minimums and such. So, 4 mil is going to be guys who prove to be a regular in just about any way let alone a 4/5 a 5/6 is going to be at 3 mil minimum probably, at least as a vet.

Ok so I am going to say this once...the shit starts as it just did...I don't care. I will be the cause of this place going down. Enough is enough.

plenty of room for drury to fuck up woth more cap space although he seems to be prdent in that area. have to give credit where credit is do even if his trading is for shit. Drury fired yet, Laviolette fired yet!

btw, seeing those cap $ amounts. wow!! Watch salaries go up real fast. There is a reason why Rangers sign Will Borgen to the amount he signed with. First of all, he is RD, and they are always coveted, and as a second pair, $4.1 mil will soon look like a bargain. Basically, everyone's salary will go up. Top guys will get the most and bottom guys will get the least, but almost everyone's salary will go up.

rf4L, this what happens when team struggles. No one is having a good season. Happens all the time in all leagues. Teams have bad season. Again, Drury is no the one playing on the ice. It's the players. Same players that could not win the game for two month, same players went on the good 10 game run. Same coaching, same GM, same trainers. It is one thing when roster is just bad, or there is no talent on the team. Looses are given. That's on the GM. When the team just stops playing and players act on the ice like they don't give a shit, it is on players. Sure bad coaching does not help and ice time is puzzling to say the least, but it is myth that coaches hold vets accountable. Not in today's sports. Coaches "work" with players. Players control themselves. Otherwise, it's a dictatorship and we know how that ends, look at Torts. He has toned it down, but he can't help himself and welcome always get worn down. Normally you never need to motivate high end vets in NHL, they are proud hard working bunch that police and monitor their own locker rooms. This is why it is so important to have the right leadership core. They are so invested in winning, that winning is all that matters to them and winning the Cup is the ultimate goal to them and they will do everything, including sacrificing their long term health to get that Cup. Rangers were rebuilding and then rebuild was fast forwarded and twice within last three years we got to two wins away from going to the Cup finals. That's great results. But it does not mean that Rangers current core is a Cup winning core and that's okay. Not many NHL teams have that core either. But somehow we should blame a GM, blame bad coaching and give a pass to the players, like it's an excuse for them? So ZShit is leading NHL in one category and it is in +/- with negative 25. So it's Drury's fault that his game gone off the cliff that he is now often a liability on the ice and team will play better without him then with him in the lineup? While Panerin is keeping up scoring in above point a game pace, he is playing well short of he is capable of and his defensive game is gone to shit, so it's also GM's fault? Fox, Lafr.. We can go and on, no one on this roster is having a great season, Not even Shesti. There is something really wrong with this core that players feel entitled to go to the press and bitch and moan about playing time.

rf4L: You WANT it to be a symptom of Drury mismanagement, you WANT it to be anyone other than the player's fault. IM sorry. But the constant push to make it everyone else's fault is old and tired. Now take Vesey. a guy that YOU have said all sorts of things about and put some of the lack of cup success on. Yes, I know you have given him credit at times, but you have not been someone who thinks he really should be there over any kid. But now that he is pushed out by a kid, its mismanagement? Vesey had no team, nothing, he was not wanted by anyone. Couldn't get a contract. The rangers not only gave him a shot, but they also gave him a spot, then gave him a deal and then gave him a second deal. Who did those things? Drury that's who. The season before last he was on a PTO (and the year before mind you) and now he is in the media bitching about the team and his role? Sorry. screw him. He would be in the AHL or the KHL or Switzerland or some shit if not for the Rangers and Drury. His career still exists because of Drury and the Rangers giving him the chance. EVERYONE saw that his time as a regular was limited by the younger bottom 6 types working through the system. If he didn't see that coming...well...that's not Drurys fault or the coaching staffs fault. He was there and saw those kids in camp and practice, he saw what they were brining...he should have seen that his 4th line spot wasn't the most stable. Now coming out of a really good month for the team he is going to complain to the media that he wasn't in? Well dude, you were in when the team was playing its worst hockey in years, I didn't hear you saying the coaches should take you out of the lineup.

Adam Boqvist? ---YES PLEASE! ....Elliotte Friedman reveals the New York Rangers are set to acquire former 8th overall pick for free.... https://www.nyrangersinsider.com/nhl-team/new-york-rangers/elliotte-friedman-reveals-the-new-york-rangers-are-set-to-acquire-former-8th-overall-pick-for-free

Yes, it sure looks like management is doing a bang up job in its handling of this team….Bench players doing their job and give the players faltering more time….Has Z even missed a shift?….Taken off the PP for a short time and put right back on….Oh yeah this is working well….

andrei: I do get and understand that stance and normally I totally agree. I think in this case it's more a symptom of a very negative environment permeating the Rangers this season, something that's been created by Dreary's mismanagement and the coach's refusal to make the highly paid veterans accountable. Look at how many players are underachieving - everyone but the 4th line to varying degrees. Now whispers are starting about the Rangers needing to move on from Laf due his struggles - his pending new contract is being pointed at as the culprit. The dude is greedy and a fatcat is what's being inferred and it's time to move on from him because he's a bust. Arrgh. What a mess.

NHL/NHLPA have released cap estimates for next three seasons: 2025-26: $95.5M 2026-27: $104 M 2027-28: $113.5M

top: how is it gifting? Someone else has come in and played just as hard, just as well, and has helped balance a line and the roster. So giving to a guy just because he has been around and played hard and did what he was told and did good over another guy with the same criteria who is newer, and at a time the team has played much better. That makes absolutely zero sense. Zero. And it’s a gifted spot at that point.

Wild, agree 100%. This notion of entitlement by players is what I hate the most about sports. So Jimmy Feeses was a such a star before he came back to NYR second time around that he owned a spot in the lineup? I guess he won't be wearing Rangers hat at the HOF inductee ceremony aftercall. That's a shame. To me, every fucken player on this roster who feels entitled that NYR owes them a spot in the lineup, or owes them playing time, needs to go. Being saying for month that this season is on players. They are responsible for it and this roster needs to be gutted out till cancer is removed in order for this team to move forward and become a real contender. I don't give two shits who stays or who goes, but this team is doomed until cleansing is done. Jimmy Feeses is lucky to have a spot on the roster. He should be grateful that Rangers have offered him a contract after he was a PTO invitee. He should be busting his ass every day whether it is a practice or a game so that he can earn his next contract. GM's hate this shit. He done himself no favors by talking to the media. Sorry, I don't feel bad for Fesses. I'm tired of giving a fuck about borderline NHL players. Two words to Jimmy, "Play better".

CM: I've been waiting for this moment all season. Unfortunately, it looks more like a trim than a full haircut. I wish he had done a full Panarin.

....."Yes, he has played well, yes, he stepped up and worked hard and did what was asked. But that doesn't mean he has to be gifted a spot.".... how is that "gifting a spot"?

3 stooges in the cheap seats…. https://youtu.be/Diq2uAagKj4?si=UxOtlJ9LdGXgRAMu

The list of players will grow when it comes to oink lardass. And DD duty will move them For infidelity. Reality is management is usually guilty of what they feel their underlings are. Lardass has no solutions and he’s wasting cap space by not using his 23 man roster as if the 18 he uses are setting the world on fire. The same goes for his number one pp unit. He’s a jackass , stubborn as a mule. Sam needs to take a few in management to his retirement home because this one will last a lifetime.

rf4l: Good fire him off into the sun. Just like Goodrow. Just like Kakko, Trouba. Don't like it...tough. Jones is still being positive around the team, JBro isn't bitching and moaning, Any player who bitches about the ice time or acts like a baby...toss'em. If they need everything perfect, everything exactly their way, they are not worthy, they are not dedicated enough. You want out, you ask for trade, you don't go crying to the media. Maybe that is the reason this team doesnt get over the hump. ALl theese prissy me irst tools taking up roster space.

Hospo: Vesey was always a fill in until a kid was ready. Edstrom was basically left one nail left. That nail was driven in by another young player, Rempe, who has come in and played solid, and helped the 4th line become a problem for other teams. There is no reason Vesey should be played over either of them. Yes, he has played well, yes, he stepped up and worked hard and did what was asked. But that doesn't mean he has to be gifted a spot. In or out of the lineup the team is exactly the same. He has no impact at this point.

And while i think REmps and Edstrom should stay in the lineup, I also wouldn't be against seeing vesey in for game or two for them..but especially for the half-dimensional AK34

Feel real bad for VESEY, real bad...Such a good solidier and always plays smart and both ways even if not a goal scorer....But another vet that gets shit on by Fat Bastard and Dipshit Drury...while other ones get treted with kids gloves..Sick of it....Great locker room Guys...But hey, Dumb Fuck Drury;s boys Will The Great Borget for 5 more years, the new Finish Flash and ak34 will change the culture...........And the Top Nine is still a bunch of freaking WIMPS...Where's AJAX to stick a hockey stick up their asses and mke them look like popsicles!!!

I guess we get to wait till end of seat for Drury and Laviolett to be fired.. Drury has the chance to completely destroy this franchise before he hopefully gets canned ..

Flyers supposedly working on a deal with the Flames to get Andrei KUZMENKO and Jakub PELLETIER...Morgan FROST is allegedly heading the other direction. Really good deal for the Flames, if that's the case. FROST is a good player who needs a fresh start...although he's another one who was on that tarnished Canadian team implicated in the gang rape, though he wasn't implicated in any way...still, everyone on that team seems to carry a stink to them...anywho... tradewinds a blowin'...

Here's the crazy part about VESEY is that he's a fantastic penalty killer and did it very well with the last boob coach, who actually had the wherewithal, as loathe as I am to admit it, to NOT play his top six forwards for between 33 and 40 percent of the game. Yes, even Curly knew he couldn't quadruple shift TROCHECK, ZIBANEJAD and KREIDER for the whole game and divvied up the PK minutes to VESEY and GOODROW at least...but this idiot is too fucktacularly stupid to figure THAT out. No, instead of playing a guy who could slot in to any spot on any line, he goes with 7-8 minutes of Matt REMPE. The torture of this poor guy...who came to New York on a PTO and literally kicked his way through the door to win a job...and then took a few dollars over the league minimum to stay put for two years has been ran out of town for who? For what? It is pure madness what this asshole coach is doing to this team. And the truth is, it's all so he can overplay his top six...which is EXACTLY what he did in Washington...and was EXACTLY why they canned him.

Vesey saying he's been cast aside and has no role and feels like he's got no role or purpose on the team. What a soiled atmosphere Dreary and Lardiolette have created here. From Trouba to Goodrow to Kreider to KK to Jones and now Vesey. This is not a bunch of whiny highly paid athletes pouting and stomping their feet; this is poorly managed organization that is imploding. And we scratch our heads at the under performances from the likes of Laf and Cuylle and so on. Not me anymore. The negativity coursing through the organization certainly seems to becoming crushing. FU Dreary. Asshole.

Don’t blame Vesey…He was playing well when he was taken out of the lineup…

So now Vesey venting to the media about how he's being treated. Good for him. More inane stupidity courtesy of Rangers management.

I cannot tell you how much I despise our coach and his lack of initiative to make any changes when it is clear some of our veterans have been dragging this team down. Basically we’re going to give up on some of our kids just because of his bonehead plays… Him refusal to hold our vets accountable. Completely un friggin excusable from him and from Drury. Both suck

Since Jim Ruthorford came out and admitted the rift between Miller and Pettersson was real (they've been denying it for years), everyone has been asking this question..... "Canucks: Why sign J.T. Miller and Elias Pettersson long term if there were issues?"..... https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/why-canucks-sign-miller-pettersson-long-term-knew-issues

Ratelle1967 - haha sorry to be the Debbie Downer here! It sucks, but really...they ain't moving FOX and they're not playing SCHNEIDER in the top four...but they are, for some inexplicable reason, playing BORGEN there. And then MANCINI. Once they need cap? And with SCHNEIDER needed a new contract in 2026? Yeah.

CLARKE is a fantastic young player...ceiling still TBD. But I seriously couldn't think of any reason why the Rangers would be trading for him. TBH, I'm not really sure why the Kings are trading them unless the guy they're getting back is someone who checks a lot of boxes. Zero idea who could be gunning for him. He makes no sense with the Canucks either and that trade would be toxic for both the Kings and Vancouver.

Miro Heiskanen officially ruled out of 4 Nations. Our boy Urho may get the call to replace him.

Rhet: Maybe but with Quinn there why would the Canucks want Clarke? They'd likely ask for Byfield.

IMO, the only way Brandt Clarke is coming to the Rangers (and it'll be along with Keumper) is if Igor is going the other way. Clarke is young (not 22 yet), big (6'2 and 200), skilled and their highest scoring dman this year.

Kevin Weekes was implying that Brandt Clarke was being held out yesterday as a pre-cursor to a trade. Not sure if he'd be the right fit for us with all of the RH defensemen we have, but still a nice player.

JFC - You can see that, we can see that but di the guy that wasted money signing him see that? Drury signing Vesey is not a bad move unless you have a fat Fuck behind the bench who won't give him a chance,,

Laviolette hasn’t liked Vesey since the day he took over. You see this with coaches all the time…they just don’t treat certain players fairly for whatever reason.

RF4L - There were two things all year to like or get excited for about the Rangers..One was the kid line for about a month..boy were they a joy to watch!!..Now, thanks to the Brain Rust, One gone, One neutered/ZBAD saddled and one just flopping around.....The other thing that brought a little excitement was Remps, at least that is still there a bit...for now..It also used to be fun to watch the physicality of TROUBS, Lindgren and SCHNEIDER, but all that is gone too..all though we do have Seattles 6th D man to replace that......And just the passive, E-w, tip toeing way the forwards play the game makes it hard to watch

Other than the obvious (the team experiences a miraculous turn-around), here's what I hope happens: Dreary doesn't cave and make a desperate futures for veteran deal (or deals); instead, by the deadline he trades all of Kreider, Lindgren, Vaak, Vesey and Smith. Kreider, if shopped properly, should fetch a high draft pick and a solid prospect (or young NHLer establishing himself) - that high pick depending on the player included, a low first or more likely a second. Lindgren fetches a second. Vaak and Smith thirds and Vesey a fourth. Try to deal Z, even if it means eating half his salary. Shop Panarin at the draft. I might even try to trade Igor but not unless another legitimate starting goalie can be found.

Hospo: I just so fed up with this mess. As TD points out, there's no reason to anticipate Lardiolette actually making actual changes both to the lines and how he dispenses icetime. So what is there to anticipate other than more the same? It's rather depressing and very disappointing. What is there to get truly enthused about lately? The draft always interests me so there's that but it's not unreasonable to anticipate Dreary trading the first away in a desperate and flawed attempt to salvage the season which will mean no first or second rounder. I wish we knew what that prickjob was thinking/planning but unlike many presidents/GMs, he refuses to talk to the press to enlighten the fanbase. Another bad spot for this organization of which they've had too many.

TD. just when I thought things were as bad as they can get, your speculation that we are dumping schneider in favor of borgen and vaak has sent me to a darker place. Say it ain't so.

RF4L - just had a vision of you, Drury and Laviolettes in the A CLockwork Ranger Singing in the Rain scenes!

RF4L - Dude, I really wanted LAVIOLETTE to succeed here. Really did. He was on one of the first teams I saw live...playing for Team USA's pre-Olympic squad back in the late 1980s...And I remember getting jazzed that he was among a bunch of players on that team who would be future Rangers...So while he wasn't my first choice, there was some nostalgia there...and he brought in HOUSELY as an assistant, who I liked as the u20 coach during the 2012-13 gold medal run...and MUSE who was also part of that team...and PECA, who played a game I could respect...but man, at this point, this guy is so fucking far out to lunch that it's pathetic. Like THAT is your move after the game Tuesday? THAT?! Your ONE move?! I tell you what: I'd take a fucking meat cleaver to those lines. First? I'd make LAF-CHYTIL-CUYLLE our first line. Second? EDSTROM-Z-PANARIN. Third? KALIYEV-TROCHECK-SMITTY Jr., and the KREIDER-CARRICK-REMPE. Maybe swap KREIDER and SMITTY Jr., but the latter has played much better than the former...so...anyway...LAV ain't gonna do that. He's going to continue coddling his vets and making a mess out of this team.

TD... JBRO is teacher's pet. I would expect him to be in(not that I'm being critical of him). IMO, VESEY is likely done as a NYR. Rempe and Edstrom have taken his spot and they're big and physical. In regard to Jones: His agent has been talking to other teams for a while and the initial reporting was that there was interest, yet, he's still here. It makes me wondering if Drury is asking for too much.

TDCHI- Honestly, I jsut got nauseous reading your post on the possibility of SCHNEIDER being dealt (hell deal Cuylle with him so I can be done) whilst Laviolette falls in love with run of the mill ho hum D-men like Borgen and the Finnish guy..SCHNEIDS is the guy that should be playing more and more, not getting the least amount of ice time.....It's an effin Mess...Rangers ned a young(er) coach in here but that ain't happening it seems

TDCHI - Agree with the "top line" screwing the pooch but the move should be to break it up not bench....Especially with the 2nd and 3rd lines not being any great shakes either but LAVIOLETTE is just too stubborn or lazy to process that.....What an effin Mess!...All that said, no problem with AK34 being sat but totally agree with you that VESEY is the guy that should be in..Problem is He's just a little too feisty for the Rangers top 3 lines..We have Cuylle to do ALL of that..

Rhet0ric - re: BORGEN, I just don't see LAVIOLETTE...or really any other coach...deploying two RHS on the same pairing. Definitely not one in the top four...My take? I think BORGEN means SCHNEIDER is done as a Ranger. Soon. Maybe even at the deadline. And that right there is some bullshit.

Rhet0ric - If BRODZINSKI is plugged in over VESEY, LAVIOLETTE has jumped the shark and is circling back for another pass. All minor BS moves...but seriously...the one guy who never deserved to come out of the lineup was VESEY. Not that BRODZSINSKI did anything to deserve it...he didn't...but VESEY is the guy who should be in.

The problem with LAFRENIERE has been, is, an continues to be that he has a coach that simply can't see the forest through the trees. He's being deployed on a line that is totally ineffective now, with a center and a winger who are badly overworked and are now playing a game rife with bad habits. He's among a growing list of Rangers...really anyone not named CHYTIL, KALIYEV and the fourth line...who need to start playing a basic, straight-forward no frills game. That's the crazy part of it all is that if the whole team just did what fourth line does game in and game out, this team would be unbeatable.

So, I'm guessing that JBRO will be in over KALI. This is just, I've got to sit somebody, so I'll sit the new guy. Sit Panarin. Send a message.... I've looked over all the stats since he's been here and KALI has been solid..

LOL. If the answer here is benching KALIYEV for the ABJECT FAILURE of the top two lines...then we really are in OT on this fucking coach. Triple OT, even. This dude has been nothing but solid since coming into the lineup...despite getting shit for minutes and playing on a franken-line with one of the failing bromance brothers.

That makes sense. TY.... I thought I read that CHYTIL was the extra guy. Though that doesn't make sense either.

LAF: I think part of his problem; the games just are not big enough. I know that should seem absolutely bonkers, but the bigger the game the better he is. In Junior every game mattered more, because it wasn't just about winning there, it was about raft position, it was about making the WJC, it was about getting drafted. There was a compressed window of time. A couple years for the draft, 4 years for the possibility of winning there, and the WJC...but now, for a young guy, looking at the start of his 15-year career. Not one of you can tell me that in your early 20s, you were looking at retirement like it was some sort of deadline you have to worry about running into. The season feel longer for a younger guy, no doubt. Other than his rookie season, the weird short 56 game 20-21 season, he has had playoff games each year. He hasn't learned that games in October matter as much as games in April. You can SAY that until you are blue in the face, but a player needs to feel the sting of that. Not taking the first round seriously enough cost the team, and Laf felt that, and the next playoffs he came with much more, he pressed much harder. That in part was likely due to not wanting that feeling again, that he could have given more. But the regular season? For the most part, since he has been with the team, they have sailed through the regular season, its been no issue. This year is the first year that has the team really in danger of missing and having an early summer. He is learning how to deal with that, and deal with struggles teamwide for the first time. Based on his past, I have no doubt that he will learn from it, and we will see changes in how he prepares and executes. Does that mean he will suddenly be a point per game guy, who carried the team on his back all season to the cup? Of course not, but it will I think mean the team has a more solid, consistent and better play from him.

KIS - Laffy needs to be away from Panarian and Cuylle needs to be away from ZBAD..That's where Fat Bastard should start with his lines if he has the energy to change...But waitm there might be changes for Saturday.....BRODZ for REMPS???? But seriously, the only two likely to sit are REMPS and AK34...Jones in is just too much to hope for....................VTRANGER - LAffy played with physicality at high speed last year with the same line mates..and that's a great combo...nothing this year..I am not putting that one on Big Country...And seethe on about KAKKAO, I'm with ya!. for a run of the mill D-man who could have been obtained in the off season for no assets and just money (his value was not going up in SEA)

TD.... I was thinking that Borgen would eventually be Schneider's partner and then Miller pairs with Fox when Lindgren is inevitably moved(Miller/Fox are statistically still our best pairing this season). Now? I've not so sure. Every time K'Andre goes a stretch of playing well, it's followed up by a stretch where he looks brain dead and has zero hockey IQ.(and that's been for most of his career). He always looks like he's turning the corner and then he takes a step back. So now I'm wondering, do we keep MILLER with Borgen and then trade for a partner for FOX? If so, that means to me that we're likely going to move Schneider. He's not a 3rd pairing guy and I don't believe he's a top pairing guy either. The bottom pairing needs to be kept accessible to kids ready to move up. It's one of the few places where we can save money on the cap in the modern NHL. Anyway, I don't know what Drury intends to do but I can't get over the feeling that either Miller or Schneider will be inevitably moved.

VT: I think 5-years in Lafreniere is definitely frustrating. Last season he was high-skill and high compete and it paid off nicely in terms of production. I do think some of that meanness and aggressiveness that he showed in junior hasnt translated on the ice in the NHL consistently. I dont think he is lazy by and stretch. He has never been a guy who is gonna play every shift high strung like Marchand or Tkachuk. I still see the IQ, ability to move pucks in tight areas and what not. But I dont see it at the elite level I know he has consistently enough. And again the NHL isnt a development league. You “adjust” in the NHL and perhaps as a scoring winger on the left side Lafreniere is not playing in his most comfortable place. But has Lafreniere pushed the issue and made it so he has to be on the ice all the time? I dont think he has and while I cant judge what he does in practice can we say he probably has not won the coach’s confidence there either? Perhaps one thing to consider is Lafreniere’s only real issue is his limitations in that he is not turned into the franchise player we were hoping for. And we need to adjust expectations as to what he is. And that at its best was what we saw last season. Where he was a solid player but not a star. And if he was doing that I’d be happy with him. But he isnt now… And thats why he’ll be in Ottawa in the offseason J/K

TD: My take on the Borgen in the macro is it’s a bad contract. Pretty much gave a bottom tier defender a NMC doesn’t bother me for a year. Especially if it means he gave some cap relief in exchange. But as much as right now I think the team needs tough-guy hockey players, I also point out that in the offseason they’d be cheaper and more plentiful. I mean I look at the contract similar to some others Ive bounced into like maybe Josh Manson or Adam Larson. I mean in a similar contract Larson is playing top-tier minutes in Seattle. Larson is a better player. Josh Manson has tons of experience and the physicality. I also think as a player he is more offensively capable. And let’s be honest. Hes been deep into playoff runs and knows how to win. I mean Borgen is making Ryan Lindgren money who plays every shift with a star defenseman. 1st pair minutes. That’s not a comparison straight across the board. I dont think Drury was reaching when he signed Borgen but correct me if Im wrong, he essentially just cemented the right side that already has Schneider and Mancini. So, If Schneider sits above him on the depth chart Borgen’s destiny is to be relegated to bottom-pair defender. And while the money may be a bit high I think the term is a bitch. And I think if Drury is future eyed I dont know what they see day to day but I think Mancini has a good chance to be an NHL defender and you just buried him. What do I know? I mean did he not just get rid of Goodrow on the bang for buck argument. And clearly Goodrow being cut had reverberations thru the locker room. In 2-seasons is Drury gonna do this again regardless of where Borgen’s influence in the locker room? Im not suggesting that Borgen is destined to be the man in the locker room but at least in Goodrow you did have a guy who know how to win, had the chops, and had the earned respect of his teammates since I dont know, all he ever did in his career is win. And he defended everyone of his teammates without fail on the ice.

Hey Igor Shesterkin try controlling your rebounds, easy shots (dump-ins from the blue line) turn into major save situations. Also stop passing the puck around the boards to the quarter boards where the entire NHL is waiting for your pass.

CoMark: All 3 are under-achieving but I believe they rely way too much on P. Last year, P had a ridiculous season putting up 49 goals and 120 points, both career bests. His point generation was nearly 1.5 a game. He was in the running for the league MVP award, too. He drove that line in other words. This year, like almost every other Ranger, he's regressed and his point generation is just over 1 a game. Not surprisingly, that line has regressed. The dumb-ass stubborn old coach, like he's doing with the PPs, refuses to try to switch things up, obviously hoping last year's magic will be rekindled. I agree putting Cuylle in P's place is worth a try. Put P with Z - maybe the former will bump up the latter's play. Worth a try without a doubt AFAIC.

The thing is that last year, Laff and Bread had excellent on-ice awareness and they found eachother all the time. And Tro was the perfect center. It just worked. This year I can't figure out why it just looks terrible. Bread not shooting? Tro playing too fancy? Laffy not entering the zone with authority? It just looks flat? KIS- I like those lines. But Again, the Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe line is our only real effective line now. The last time Lav messed with our best line (Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko) to help the bros it set us on a tailspin!

Id like to see cuylle moved to a line with Trochek and Laffy. I tbink you could see aline that works hard gets in on the forecheck and moves the puck. Put bread with chytil and smith. Id love to see rempe with kreider and zbad. I wonder whst type of space he would create for the bro luv. Lol

Not absolving him of blame but Laf needs to be separated from Panarin. He defers constantly to P and that's taking away from the sort of game he's capable of playing. Remember how effective he was against the Panthers? He was, IMO, the best Ranger forward in that series. Now he's regressed but who on this team hasn't, other than the 4th line and perhaps Schneider? I said it yesterday and will repeat it today: All of Z, K and P need to go and/or a coach with gonads who demands north/south play and holds players accountable, regardless of who they are, is brought on board. This is becoming a lost year now.

It seems like signing the long term contract is what turned him into a softee. The laziness was always there. The contract let it flourish.

Hospo/TD: I can't tell how down I am on Laffy himself and how the Rangers have handled him. A player with so much skill and snarl has been transformed into a prancing, pass-first powder puff. I remember how excited I was during his first training camp. One of the beat reporters posted a video of him in one of the first intra-team scrimmages and Laffy absolutely leveled an opposing player on the backcheck. I messaged one of my buddies saying how that was the exact type of attitude we needed from our forwards. Through his own laziness and Ranger mismanagement, that kid is gone now. I'm still seething over Kakko, but watching Laffy play now is absolute torture for me. And for the record, I was never one of those who were calling Laffy a bust. I held my tongue and waited five fucking years to get to this point.

vcp1994 - Look, I could accept the BORGEN signing as 'good' per se...or at least decent...if the following criteria didn't exist: 1. his FULL NMC next season and four years of a 15-team NTC; 2. That we didn't have Braden SCHNEIDER. And 3. That we didn't have Victor MANCINI. One of those guys will need to go now. Simple as that. The BORGEN signing was terrible. Oh, and I won't even get into the fact that he was a fucking 5/6th defenseman on the Kraken. Doesn't surprise me at all that a fucking mothball-brained dotard like Brooksie likes this shit. Too stupid to see the big picture. BOYLE? He's just toeing the company line and trying to get one of the cushy commentating jobs that will open up when Al retires.

JFC31 - re: TROCHECK, he should've just said the truth which is this: I fucked up. BAD. In no universe of hockey is the right play to leave a blind drop pass on a breakaway during a kill. NONE. Full stop. The reasons are just too many to list, but summing them up? There's just a 90 percent chance that something bad is going to happen. You got at least two players on your ass. Just so stupid. If I were the coach? I would've benched his ass for the period. Maybe the whole game. But LAVIOLETTE? Nah. He was right back out there. I think he did get a line demotion...but still...is THAT sending a message? FFS.

fotiu22 - So true. Man, if I were coach, I would pull out footage...and I almost want to punch myself in the face for writing this...the 2011-12 Rangers under Tortorella. That group was such a talentless group of grinders after their top five...and that's all they did. Get it deep. Go hard to the net. The crazy part here is that guys like KREIDER, TROCHECK, and even LAFRENIERE are players that used to do that sort of thing....and now they just don't.

VtRanger - Dude, right on the money, re: their approach to scoring. OMFG, I almost had to buy a new television after that asinine TROCHECK drop-pass. First? BLIND FUCKING DROP PASS...on a breakaway...ON A PK. Like Vinny. What did you THINK was going to happen?! Same thing with the PP. Just same old tired approach. Guys that REFUSE to go to the net or any of the difficult areas. Teams literally set up the box and just deflect shots to the outside. Again, it's just so mind-bending to watch how ineffective first and second line are, and now more often, third line...and then you have fourth line...two late-round draft pick rookies and a grinder who has never scored more than 19 points in a season...and THEY are the only ones creating chances. Like even getting beyond the coaching ineptitude it takes not to realize this...if I'm playing on that top line and I'm watching these guys at work, I'm going to say to myself...'hey self. Maybe let's try something different?!'

The positive side…https://nypost.com/2025/01/29/sports/rangers-vow-not-to-let-poor-january-finish-turn-into-freefall/

Rearranging the chairs on the titanic..or this little piggy went to head scratching….“So we were moving pieces around just trying, down 2-0, don’t think we were generating a lot and just trying to find something.” It’s possible we see one or more of the three skaters — Jimmy Vesey, Zac Jones and Jonny Brodzinski — who have sat out for a relatively long period of time. ”….https://nypost.com/2025/01/29/sports/rangers-could-opt-for-lineup-changes-as-peter-laviolette-seeks-spark/

Brandon Saad is going on unconditional waivers for Buyout. Both eam and player agreed to mutual contract termination. Will be an UFA on Friday.

Canucks have won 3 in a row with JT and Pettersson cat fighting...What's your plan B Drury??? Gotta be another finesse player you can add

UTAH struck out on the nickname YETIS due to copyright. Seems like a bad decision but I guess they're not willing to spend the money to fight it. They want fans to choose from the following(AND THEY ALL SUCK): 1-• Utah Hockey Club; 2- Utah Mammoth and 3-Utah Ass Crack (sorry, Utah Wasatch)

Both brooks and Boyle like the borgen signing I respect Boyle opinion for sure....They are trying to get bigger in the fly.. Still they got so little for kakko... Drury fired yet, laviolett fired yet!

TDCHI - Of course it is the logical first move, if you had a competent GM to pick the next coach and make any improvements to the team, which needs quite a few

I screwed that up. Valley wasn't veiled in his comments at all. He called out Lavy for coddling Panarin. Specifically he said Panarin shouldn't have been on the PP in the first period. He pointed out how they had to deal with Jagr slacking off. A pretty strong indictment of the coach.

BO with his 4th straight goal. Time to call him up so Lardiolette can give him 5 minutes of icetime.

Rhet. I find your posts to be well thought out, informative and articulate. Except when your work stresses you out and you get nasty with us. ;^)

TD. Or Dreary due to him YET AGAIN sitting on his hands. That's who'd I jettison first. 5

RHET- Funny thing about Valli. I think he wouldn't be Tort's biggest fan. I was at his last NHL game, against the Avs in Colorado. I think Valli got shelled for 5 or 6 goals. Valli was waived the next day and I don't think he ever played another NHL game. Torts called it a goaltending disaster. I ran into Valli in New York a few years ago. I didn't tell him I was at that game, lol!

gene_carr/HellsKitchen - The absolutely MYSTIFYING part here is that LAVIOLETTE continues to keep his job and there isn't even a whisper about him being on the hotseat. Even if you take the incredibly silly leap to think that KREIDER, TROUBA, TROCHECK, Z and LINDGREN are on the downside of their careers...that KAKKO is a bust and LAF isn't far behind him...and that whatever weird shit that happened last summer left the team in mental tatters...the first step in turning the team around would be to fire LAVIOLETTE.

My expertise comes from years of making half-finished, unintelligible posts myself :)

I love Trochek but what a mealy-mouthed excuse he gave for his dumb-ass, short handed breakaway pass attempt: “I could have shot it and buried it into his chest or try to make the play? WTF? Are you serious, Vincenzo? How about shooting LOW into Andersen’s pads and trying to create a rebound and chaos around the net? Sheesh! Absolutely ludicrous nonsense! Rangers do this shit all the time…get close to the net, get converged on and then instead of shooting, try to make passes that rarely work! Aren’t we all sick & tired of looking at that shit? Shoot the god damned puck when you are close to the net!

Off to Costco to get a new tv. Through my beer at the screen after Trocheck decided to make a back pass on a break-a-way.

I thought he was pretty clear..... He was talking about Steve Valiquette at the 1st period intermission and he wasn't holding back.... He was throwing shade on Laviolette for not holding Panarin to account.... He said Bread shouldn't have been out on the PP after his F-k up(on Sunday and then the 1st goal last night).... Valley also talked about a time when he played with JAGR and Jags did some similar stuff, he would be sat for a shift and the message would be sent. Hells pointed out that that was done by Tom Renney and that you don't have to be a hard ass like Tortorella to get your point across to players :)

And for giggles and grins, my lines would be..Panarina-Trocheck-?????, Laffy-Chytl-Cuylle, Remps-Carric-Edstrom, Kreider-ZBAD-Smith..I have zero clue about ???????...don't really care...AK34, Vesey, OTHMAN, Berrard.

ANd, nothing new, but watching the game last night I was just amazed once again at how non-physical every single ranger Forward is outside of the normal 4 --the 4th line and Cuylle....Other then that? Wussies..They just do not hit..do not engage or intiate physicality....Don't care....Forget CHYTL, ZBAD and Panarina. it will never happen....KREIDER is toast right now...AK34 for a pretty big guy brings nothing, only lookin for a shot, SMITH a pure positional player and TRO, well, sometimes but also very inconstitent in that department....And then there's LAFFY, where the hell did he misplace his Balls? His drop in physicality fromm last years seems to mirror his crappy all around game....I looked at the Box score to see if I was imagining things, like the rangers imagine hits and, nope....3 hits amongst 8 Forwards! I know hits aren't everything and are often miscounted but still, it confirms the eye test big time......And then there's the soft as shit defense.....and why is SCHNEIDER getting the least amount of time???

Valley was veiled at all about the shade he threw on Lavy. He dais he shouldn't have been out on the PP after the f&&c up on Sunday. He also said Jagr pulled some of Panarin's stuff when V alley was was splaying and it was dealt with. If it was Tom Renney that says you don't have to be Torts to get your point across.

RF4L - Of course, any or all of that still leaves Dipshit Drury in charge!..And he's handled things so nicely!....Damn, and they played so good for 38 minutes yesterdary and most of Sunday...but stupid, stupid mistake and lack of focus, especially defensively....Fix that and they get in the POs and give it a whirl (no, i am not saying Go For IT this year!!)

Hospo: Agreed it's on everyone but until guys like P and Z either change or are jettisoned and/or a different coach is hired who basically imposes that stuff on his team, nothing is really going to change. Win some, lose some and probably sneak into the POs only to get ousted relatively early. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.

fotiu -all of the above..exactly what i was trying to say below!....RF4L - The thing is, this lack of commitment to defense and coverage and being physical, is not just the vets..it's kids like LAFFY and CHYTL.and AK34...it's the entire team not providing defensive support and coverage...yes, kids need to learn and mistakes happen but the approach isn't there from any of them or the collective..........The players aaren't doing it on their own and the coaches aren't demanding it or holding them accoutable....And who hire the last two coahces???

"Get the puck deep and go hard to the net". Pretty simple in my mind. We just don't have the players to do it or the players with the will/mindset to do it.

Hospo: And it's been that way since AV was behind the bench. That's 4 coaches, 2 GMs and 3 presidents. The common denominator? Z and K, followed shortly thereafter by P. It's the way they prefer to play coach be dammed.

VTRanger - "Aside from a limited few, there is no recognition that a very significant percentage of NHL goals are scored off of rebounds and crashing the net.",,Everything it tip toeing pretty with this team..and not just the 1st line, also the 2nd and 3rd line..No dirty goals..No being nasty goals...No forecheck goals..No bang the shit out of them goals...No hard work goals......Well, one caveat, we had a line that did that for an entire month! yet the coach and GM put an end to that...Anyways, back to their prissy, prancing ways....Common denominators? These are the players that Drury has collected (or got rid of---see Kakkao and AK34 who is nothing but a shooter)....and Coach that doesn't demand anything different.....We got some flat out wrong players, decay and all, but a good coach would get so much more out of them..or sit their asses

Aside from my overwhelming disgust with the defensive awareness of this team and it's coaching, it's become crystal clear to me that most of the players have chosen to limit their mindset as to how goals can be scored. Trocheck's explanation of his "limited" options on the failed shorthanded breakaway summed it up perfectly. The approach has simply become beat the goalie cleanly with a shot off of a pass or score on a deflection. Aside from a limited few, there is no recognition that a very significant percentage of NHL goals are scored off of rebounds and crashing the net. This mindset leads to so many of our "precision" shots going wide or more often a player opting to pass when a perfect lane to shoot isn't there. None of our top players seem to value intentionally placing a shot on net for the purpose of creating chaos. Everything has to be pretty despite the fact that rebound/garbage goals count the same. It would be nice to see some ugly/nasty from somewhere other than the fourth line.

And don't get me started on DRURY...I mean shit. I hate to sound like a broken record...but the guy is a moron...Will BORGEN is the latest evidence of this...The guy is a VERY GOOD 5/6 defenseman. Did he settle into his pairing with K'Andre? Meh? Maybe? But he's NOT worth $4.1 million for what he brings...and he's NOT a guy who should be getting 20-plus minutes a night...But here we go. Locked in with this guy and almost no way of trading him for the next five years...this is DESPITE having a better RHS defenseman...BY A FUCKING COUNTRY MILE...in SCHNEIDER...and ANOTHER really good RHS defenseman coming up in MANCINI, who, is already basically on the same level as BORGEN...and he goes out and TRADES one of his top young wingers for this guy...and then SIGNS him for a deal that will be bought out in two years. Or packaged with a pick to be moved. And then to trade KAKKO and replace him with KALIYEV? Like again...creating a problem. He got lucky in partially filling it...but man, this guy is a fucking boob.

Look, I hate to say this again, but the team is going no where with LAVIOLETTE as it's coach. Not saying it will with a new coach, but this end is known. His system has been exposed and it's simply not working any more. The PP is stale as fuck and getting worse by the moment. His top six has be literally deplorable. The wins this team has secured are largely a result of his bottom six and occasionally, his defense. The most alarming part about this guy is that he just can't identify this...His overreliance on his top six and really top eight or nine players is just ridiculous. And it was on FULL display yesterday right up until the Canes went up 4-0. At that point, with the game lost? He started giving fourth line and third pairing shifts again...PP1...The first shot? They skated nearly the FULL two minutes...PANARIN *DID* skate the full two minutes. Second one they got was more or less a repeat. Again. PANARIN out there the whole time. Why? I mean, it's just a fool's logic to overplay guys that are struggling REALLY BAD based on them being your most talented guys...but that is exactly what LAVIOLETTE keeps doing...The CRAZIEST part about this idiot is that it's SOOOO fucking clear WHY the fourth line is working the best...and it's because they play a very simple straight forward game: Get the puck deep, go hard to the net...and yet the top two lines just don't do this. Third line wavers between doing it and not doing it...again...these are things either the coach can or should correct...but he doesn't. And either that means he doesn't see the problem with it or that he's unequipped to resolve them. And I don't buy this latter point one bit.

Let’s face it. There was zero reason for this year’s failure that was not self inflicted. Drury could not make the moves necessary to improve the team’s PO chances over what they did last year. For a myriad of reasons such as cap issues and his own incompetence. The team responded accordingly. The only odd thing was how they started well out of the gate- but they were still bad defensively in the early part of the season as well- just the goalies bailing them out and put scoring opponents. So what I think I am trying to say is this is why this year’s struggles have been so frustrating and disheartening. And why we need to see at the very least a coaching change asap.

And when I say a good night, I mean statistically when compared to everyone else :)

RF4L... You really need to look at Hockey Stat Cards to get the full impact of last night's game.... All 5 our of defensemen were at the bottom. The entire Panarin line was at the bottom. Adam Fox easily had his worst game of the year. It was awful. Z was one of the better players. The real question was why Panarin got so many minutes. I honestly expected to see him at the bottom of the card. Vaakanainen is the only defenseman that had a good night statistically.

And I looked at the icetime - top forwards were Panarin and Zfruit. LOLOLOL. The more things change the more they stay the same...

I just watched the lowlights and OMG a bunch of dumbass mistakes by the Rangers on all 4 goals. Just ridiculous. Why Lardiolette is still the coach is beyond me. But I simply don't believe at this point in the season, a firing will occur - it'll (hopefully) be after it's over. Just don't trade the 1st rounder - it could end up being a lottery pick. And try get a couple of 2nd rounders, too. You incompetent fool.

I want to suggest some line changes for when the Rangers restart this weekend, but does it really matter when the main stink continues to come from the head in a incompetent GM (This is the team he has taken years to put together???), an out of touch expired shelf life coach and the way, for whatever reason, the vet core chooses to play the game.....So much is obvious to us all but when you hear announcers from other teams taking the Rangers to task for lack of structure, cluelessness about defensive coverage and a very fragile/soft attitude, well, that sys it all..Not to mention tht the Canes can now be added to the list tht are just to big in the top 9 for the Rangers to handle....And, Their hot streak is now, what, 5 losses in the last 12 gaames...?

With Dreary at the helm is there ever a right time to pull of a trade? Yeah being sarcastic but given his track record I see little reason not to expect more fleecings. What a mess. Again.

This is clearly not the right time to pull off a trade. The entire roster is in a buy low mode. The first order of business is for the coach to be sent packing. Vally in his critique of Panarin's goofs was actually giving a veiled critique of Lav's bench management, something that has been recognized by many on the Wall for some time. It is highly unlikely that this collection of players/coach will make the playoffs and if they squeak in, a first round exit is a damn near certainty. Changes have to be made but carefully and that brings up the danger of who makes them and under what circumstances?

Agree will never root against them…Wiosa….Well said and agree with everything you said….I will continue to watch and be hopeful but I don’t believe they will make the playoffs…They easily have the talent but the will is a different story….I am also out on Laviolette…He is part of the problem as well….

I too want them to win. I dont care if the next Mario Lemieux was available in the draft, I dont want them to lose. That said, there are times when I feel like we feel this way but the team just does not care anymore. Theyre professional athletes, so they have to feel some kind of competitive drive when they get on the ice, but it sure as hell is not enough. A shut out is my pet peeve. A 1-0 game against a (grrrr) trap team I accept. A 4-0 shut out in your own building, against a good team (hello YOURE supposed to be a good team too, remember?) when you're trying to pick yourself up after falling down in the race? - it's unacceptable. This team is totally rudderless. The fans in that arena - who have not lost hope in this team despite their lackluster performances - deserved a helluva lot better.

“The first one’s tough, you start a game you go down 1-0 and you know it’s a big game against one of the division leaders — that’s a tough one,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “From there, it was pretty tight. The rest of the first period was pretty tight, the second period I thought they had the better chances. … [The second one was] a tough one to give up, 1-0 at that point. We could’ve scored on some of our chances, not able to capitalize, and so you go down 2-0. “The part that [was] really discouraging, for me, is the start of the third period pushed the game and took the energy from us, and we never responded well after that.”

“ The Rangers power play ultimately went 0-for-3 on the night. “There were a few of those,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “It wasn’t a volume-type thing tonight. The chances that you did have you had to make good on. We didn’t. I don’t feel like we made good one ours from an offensive standpoint. When that games 1-0, we could’ve made it 1-1, we could’ve made it 2-1. It’s 2-0. We could’ve made it 2-1. … We could’ve brought ourselves closer. We weren’t able to capitalize on those chances that we did have. I think we had some good looks. We weren’t able to capitalize.”…. Oink Latin…. Did your coaching decisions from the last game and from any game affect the outcome?…. The answer from him would be crickets….he’s got them back to December 2024 again….Dd drury what are the problems?”…. The core… how about management? ….. crickets two the sequel… the both take the fifth amendment…. They use the first amendment to criticize the players…a very positive response from management and basic silence from the owner …. And the press and msg play spin…. The players revert back to where they were…. Creating a perfect storm of reality…what came first the chicken or the egg? Guess what the white specs on chicken shit are…..

I’m with HOSPO! I can’t root against this team, and they have put themselves in position, but these last two games you would think we were back in the December Dream- time. The frustrating thing is that they can’t seem to start a game without shooting themselves in the foot. But I don’t want them to lose (and Drury won’t be fired anytime soon even if they don’t? and I think a lot can change between now and the playoffs. The regular season is pointless (as pointed out here many times) all you need to do is get in the playoffs, so why are we judging the current team as being unfit for the playoff grind? Probably true, but this is not the team that will be competing. And as crappy as tonight was and the end of 24 apocalypse, we are, what 3 points out? And there is Igor. Let’s Go Rangers!

VCP - It's a battle..You know i don't like DRURY or Fat Bastard and want to see them gone..but i also like my team making the POs and MAYBE winning....The draft pick is gonna be midling 1st either way and i don't give a shit about it..Players are gonna be sent backing, either before the deadline or in the off season..I'm fine with thta..but, shoot me, I still want them to win..I'll let you guys root for them to lose

Hospo so they can lose in the first round and get a worse pick in the draft.... wouldn't it be better to miss the playoffs and get Drury and Laviolett fired. ??? And dump a few players

Just keep the pp unit together and the lineup the same, everything is beautiful in its own way. Don’t use any of your 3 jokers in the stands. It’s too hard to crack a team like this that is rolling downhill as fast as they can. They are a managed or is it manicured masterpiece.

Is it the coaching or players that can't or won't learn or both!..Big culprits being Panarina, Laffy, Chytl...who, btw, has 1G and a -5 in his last 5 games...yeah..lets keep the lines as is!!! Lord knows we need that great Bull Dog Shut Down line to skate with the opponents

Better of losing now and quit the tease of playoffs.Drury and Laviolett fired yet...dump ZBAD and panarin, kreider unsure.also dump Igor and fox .

We have a very experienced coaching staff for a team that makes the mistakes we do….Clueless on coverage in the D zone…

JFC - KREIDER just looks off and slow..ZBAD I though played well for two periods before turning int the hubcehd over wuss tht we know to well from this season.The guy is, what 6'3 but plays like he's 5'11

ANd the word is that King Drury wants Meat and Potatoes after fucking up the roster entirely all by himself....What shredded beef and mashed potatoes ain't good enough for ya?

Kreider on pace for 28 points and Mika 15 goals if you told me that in September I would have said you’re nuts but here we are.

I bailed after the 3rd goal and turned on more wholesome viewing. The Exorcist. See Linda Blair spin her head around like the Rangers defensemen.

Canes announcers going on about how the Rangers have no clue how to cover on the rush, especially the forwards...Coaching 101...

KIS - I was happy with the first two peridos outside the two Giant fuckups...But the 3rd was a disgrce..and that points to the coch and the vets.......So, Now even Carolina is a bigger, stronger tem then the Rangers...And God , is the Ranger D soft

Lafreniere and Panarin need to be split up. Laffy needs to get back to playing his own game again(put him back with Chytil for a bit). He and Bread have been too connected at the hip. Panarin should be take off PP1. The dude has been playing some of his worst D of late with zero consequence.

Panarin with 22 minutes of Minus three lazy selfish hockey, 3 more minutes than anybody else..Now that's coaching!!! And don't the young forwards like Laffy of CHYTL or even Cuylle lately have any balls?

Didnt wstch the game. Been following the score. Hospo. Guess you srent to happy with the play? Lol. Did you expect dofferent? This team still needs to rod itself of the cancer. Until they are all gone, this organization wont achieve anything. Zbad , kreider and lavi need to go. Panarin too but how do you get rid of a 90-100 pt scorer

Yeah. Zero pushback. Rangers all floating after going down 2. Most probably don’t even need to shower.

38 minutes of really good hockey after Panarina's fuck up..and the TRO with the stupid pretty stuff...And then the 3rd period as badas it has been all year..That's what a coach is there for, to pre vent that from happneing..Greaat Job Fat Bstard.....ANd boy do the Rangers need physical forward BAD!!

Why the Fuck is it the selfish Panarina show in a 4-0 game with 4 minutes left? After the puke helped blow the game Sunday aand put the team in a big hole tonight???

Sam and Joe just going on and on about how nice everyone is to Sam due to his retirement..

Embarrassing, low IQ hockey, can’t hit the net, overpassing and when a Ranger coughs up the puck, the coach requires no accountability. Disgraceful

BORGEN very, very sloppy tonight..i expect that to be the rule as the season goes along

So, I guess Smith-Zbad-Cuylee line is now the new Bulldog line...Hah! I have zro clue wat the kreider-Chytl-AK34 is

The hole they dug was too deep to allow back to back losses at home like this….

Coaches like Paul Muarice and Rod the bOd would be ripping the team new hole on the bench..but, no, not Fat Bastard...Let them skip, float and look pretty!

Hospo who would do anything like that? Cuyle has joined the choir, and Rempe has been completely neutered. The rest? Hah!

at least the Rangers had the decency to put the game outta reach early so I can do other things.. Hopefully , we get a reset.. my concern is they would squeak into the PO's get blown out in 4/5 games and get a low mid round pick..

JFC I agree. I don’t think there is a snowballs chance in hell this group makes the POs. Drury makes a big trade and or changes coaches? Maybe increases odds 10%. Drury unfortunately will not do the right thing. He will continue to blow assets and make dumb moves to try and squeak in.

At least get a pound of flesh Rangers..or will it be the usual Choir BOy I can't be bothered act???? Let VAKAAINEN crush somebody...hah!

Agree PJ..really good effort for two periods trying to overcum Fucking Panarina and then TRO the great leader with his bull shit..Then the KREIDS and ZBAD show!!!

Defense 101... Never leave your man for the guy with the puck. You will lose 99 out of 100 times.

This is all predicated by the loss to Colorado. The bubble has been burst, the spell has been broken…you could see it in all the stupidity demonstrated by these assholes. Keep playing Panarin until there’s nothing left of him?

I thought the Rangers outplayed them for first two periods…Some dumb mistakes for sure…This period forget it..

Way to battle behind the Net ZFLOAT you pussy...and who were the forwqards that didn't give a shit to come back..Thaat was disgusting all around

Game over.. defensive indifference costs us again on an opening shift .. disinterested in defending ..

Canes now have 5 big forwards in their top 9..Rangers have..??? DRURY has been lapped by the field in the East over the last year..It's why they need a player like JT MILLER desperately

Playing hard and getting chances but no finish and the extra pass continues to haunt….

I don't know about the cliff, we're playing the best teams in the league right now and we can't afford to make the dumbass mistakes we're making.

By the way, Panarin ledin all Ranger forwards with 15 mins of ice...and likely to be double shifted this period...Read a book Remps!

If I'm a Canes fan, I like what Ranatanen and Hall bring to that team for a PO run

If I was coaching, I would've rang his bloody neck when he came back to the bench. Stupid ,stupid play!

I just don't think Kreider is physcally able to go or do things right now..Looks a shell...But life from ZBAD

They have played a damn good game but sabotoged by two stupid or lazy plays by two of the top players..Rangers just don't like being straight forward

IF he takes the damn shot, both players are in much better position to get back on D.

Yeah, yeah let's get fancy you dumb fuck..Great leader there Vinnie! and thewy were playing sooo good

So fucking done….so fucking stupid….so many dumb-ass passes…so fucking sick of looking at it

Great, great shift by, yes, ZBAD and his line..nd then fuckin Lindgren...so-so penalty but no need to do that..idiotic

I am so sick and tired of watching this same stagnant PP , and the last two PP’s the second unit didn’t see the ice !

Damn, Fox beten like a rented mule there..Lindgren loves hitting guys into IGOR!!!

Also does one of those betting sites allow bets for turnovers and shots missing the net? If so, we could all be rich with Z and Pan

Valley all over Bread. Said he shouldn't have been out on the PP. Mentioned Jagr was like that a bit and had to be dealtwith.

Wow Vally calling out the coach during intermission for letting PAN run this team. Another blatant turnover and you play him for practically the full PP. Shoudlve sat him

Wow..I just saw the goal..Panarina being Panarina as he has done too often and then doing a pirouette with his thumb up his..Great play buddy...By the way, have the Canes feed and damn they are BAD..This guy TRIPP..yikes

My guess is that Bread is probably directly responsible for more GA this year than Igor and Quick combined !

I think a more powerful message would have been to not send Bread out on the PP.

How many times do we see Rangers players make a strong move to the net but then when they get converged on, instead of shooting and converging on the net, they try a dumb-ass pass. Chytil did it already…sick of seeing it. Shoot the fucking puck

The bright side about being on the PK is that Panarin can't turn the puck over :)

Rangers stubborn stupidity comin through the neutral zone...will they adjust or not

I am going to say it, Carrick has made me not miss GOODROW one bit! Sorry Barclay!

After the way the last game ended and this way started, how does a certain player not get benched at least for one shift?

I’m a god damn broken record. Once again the late forward cruises in unmolested down the high slot. How does this not get fixed after happening again and again and again?

Another neutral zone TO….if they don’t start dumping it in, they’re gonna get slaughtered

The Canucks’ “locker room rift” is exactly what I was talking about when I said they would have to make a trade either way…and no matter which one goes, JT or Elias, one of the 2 sides in the room are gonna be pissed. So, which do you dump…the 26-year old 102-point scorer or the 32-year old?

E, you are right, Z has gone through quite a few slumps. I don't know of any other player in the world making 9.5 mil who goes into so many slumps. One or two times, maybe, but Z-Minus-Man-Bun goes into two or three per year. This one doesn't look like a slump, it looks like he's done and the worst thing about it is Lardass is either too stupid to see it or doesn't care. Screw both of them!

TD….I will add the Trocheck line to the list of things that caused our slump….One of the best lines in the league last year and even now they aren’t clicking like they should…Overpassing continually and deferring to Panarin to often…

And Dickweed Drury, IFFFF you really want MILLER, just get it done and don't try to make the perfect deal..If you don't want him, move on!

Is Pettersson the young player you build your team around? Is he that good? I have not seen him enough..But the Canucks paid him like that is what they wanted to do..Combine that with the locker room schism and it's pretty straight forward, no?...so stop the shenanagins and just deal Miller already for whatever you can now but be prepared the trade for a MIller like player (not CHYTL! and don't ask for CUYLLE!!) within the year

Hey Jim Rutherford, talking about the CANUCKS locker room rift with the press is not going to help you get better trade offers from other teams. Just saying..... "With a locker room rift growing, should the Canucks trade J.T. Miller?" .....https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/nhl/with-a-locker-room-rift-growing-should-the-canucks-trade-j-t-miller/ar-AA1y1yIO#image=1

When I talk about lots of fights, I mean in the stands. On the ice too, but mostly in the stands :)

If I had a Dollar for every time I heard from NYI fans in the 80's that they have more cups than us and they've only been around since '72.... That said, I really miss the old rivalry. ....NYR/NYI games both at MSG and at the Mausoleum were so much fun(lot's of fights)... I don't know if we'll ever have that again. The Mausoleum was a dumpster :)

RF…Agreed Kreider can be moved…Have to cut Z time for sure but eventually they need to bite the bullet as painful as that will be…

IMO, if this doesn't solidify the thought that either Miller or Pettersson will be traded, I dunno what will (short of a trade actually occurring): https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/vancouver-canucks-jim-rutherford-admits-no-good-solution-in-keeping-jt-miller-elias-pettersson

PJ: You're not incorrect but the conundrum lays with how do you move on from Z and K, especially with a vet stroking old school coach behind the bench and the worse culprit armed with a full NMC. Kreider is tradeable due his partial NMC and more importantly a falloff that's not nearly as precipitous as Z's. It's not at all unreasonable to envision him moved to a team like with valid PO and even cup aspirations and be a contributor. Plus he's only got a year after this on his contract meaning you're not trading for a rental but you're not risking being burdened by a big contract in a few years. Not at all the case with Z. Unless you are prepared to eat half his contract AND offer a viable sweetener, I'd argue he is untradeable right now. Therefore, you have 2 options: Continue to play him or pressbox him.

Z and Kreider have become passengers that are making the Rangers a worse team….I have no idea why and I have been a big fan of both but it is what it is…Z ruins his line by fumbling the puck and floating in the D zone…He is no longer a threat on the PP and I would rather have Tro and Carrick out there on PK over him….This adds up to him being an expensive liability…Kreider with Chytil make that line terrible defensively right away as Kreider gives zero effort on D….He can still contribute on the PP but I hate seeing him on the PK now…Smith, Cuylle, Vesey and even Edstrom would work harder….Really feel bad about it but time to move on….

VCP... You made this statement before. How are you a NYR fan and not know how many cups they've won?

Quick wins 2 cups with kings and gets traded... Gretzky gets traded... messier traded....it s part of the business but unfortunately we have no cups to show for it 3 in 100 years is completely horrific for a franchise as rich as the rangers....Poor management will always plague us

NON-HOCKEY POST ....TD... I have been in Management for over 40 years and I have seen shit like this happen a lot. It's not like turning on a light switch. You take a team with a bunch of guys with good attitudes and you expect it to turn bad overnight? If that happened, I would say that you never had a team of guys with good attitudes. I've also seen if affect the best of employees. Sometimes employees with be talking negatively about the company or management in the corner and it's passed along and gets more toxic and other times it's passed along by no conversation. It's a weird thing. If we had a toxic manager that caused the issue, we might move them to another store. We would keep the employees that could be save and might have to fire others that couldn't stop being negative.... How did we prevent it from happening? We would always talk about the team and teamwork. Tell them there is an open line of communication and that they could always come to any of the managers with any problems/issues they may have..... WHAT DID DRURY DO? He took that line of communication away by his actions. They didn't trust him anymore. So who could they go to? They're not going to Dolan and the only exec between Drury and Dolan is Paul Dolan, Jimmy's nephew.... When JD was here, you could go to him to complain about problems with Jeff Gorton and it would've been addressed. It can prevent these issues from manifesting (I'm oversimplifying this for brevity). Without this line of communication, negativity can manifest in darkness like cancer.

TDCHI - Just two things i'll add to that....At least FOX seems to be playing his best hockey NOW. and with him/Lindgren being a good pair again...and spot on about the TROUBS factor...and it is fun to watch opposing D men rush or change their play when REMPS and even Edstrom bear down on them with speed...Both those guys can move!!! At lest in straight lines!!!

I think if you're going to track the precipitous decline of the Rangers, you have to start with ZIBANEJAD and secondarily, KREIDER. Close second would be that FOX is having the worst season of his career. Could you say it's because these guys aren't loose and having fun? Maybe? But that's not JUST it...I also think that LAVIOLETTE was trying to push 5-on-5 scoring and really sort of switched things up from the approach that worked for him all season the year before...but there's more...LINDGREN looked like a shell of himself when he came back from injury. SHESTERKIN was letting in beach balls...LAVIOLETTE shortening his bench to the point of essentially skating nine players for half the game...I mean, there are so many different reasons why this team was as bad as it was...and I don't doubt SOME of the locker room stuff bled into it...It sure as shit didn't make things better...but suggesting that TROUBA and GOODROW were the root cause? It's just not true. At the end of the day, these guys all get paid a SHIT-TON of money to play a sport...and ALL of them...every single last Ranger...is a professional. It's just like any friggin' job. Sucks when your best friend gets transferred...but if you're making bank? You get paid to deal with it. Simple as that. Ask anyone and they'll tell you the Rangers are one of the most coveted organizations in the league because their players essentially get coddled. Nobody on that roster is going to jeopardize their cut of that by moping about players trimmed from the roster...the only thing I WILL say about those two leaving is they created voids on the ice...LAVY trusted GOODROW among his most trusted. And that helped tick down the icetime for TROCHECK and Z...And TROUBA, say what you will about his defense, really did help keep teams honest. If folks are going to say teams take notice when REMPE is on the ice? Well, TROUBA was no different. Guy is a heat-seeking missile for hitting hard and clean...Losing those two elements from the team DID impact them. Coupled with the awful seasons everyone seems to be having in the top six? That's enough to miss the playoffs.

E agree to a point I still believe it's more mental but obviously I have no inside information.

E - My turn, I disagree with your take!..Why? Becasue to me there has been no word of any injury nor, IWMO, any evidence of it on the ice..Hell he can still do things every now and then and hell he even was trying a Michigan...but those are rare events...but a lot of what you mention including mishandling th puck, missing his shot all can be the result of his head not being in the right place, indecision, lack of confidence, hesitance and lack of focus..all related to something not physical...Now, what that is, I don't know but I rule out not caring/trying baecasue you can tell he loves his teammates and visa versa and would not on purpose let them down

JFC31 - Not to split hairs, but Jon QUICK has two cups...technically three, if you count the one with Vegas.

Rhet0ric - it's convenient to think that whatever happened between the Rangers and TROUBA lead to this disaster that tanked half the season...but it's just not consistent with reality. The team plowed into the season and for the first month, they looked pretty good. In truth? They looked like they were ready to compete. They didn't start hitting the skids until really the second week of November. Also, to sit back and say that TROUBA was the problem...that his rancor was dragging the team down...just totally ignores the absolute WORST of their performances, which happened after he was moved. And before you think I'm defending anything the asshat GM has done, I'm not. But you're connecting dots in a manner that is really ignoring logic. I don't doubt that whatever memo he sent saying the Rangers are open for business...I don't doubt that exacerbated things...but pinning this team's failings on whatever BS happened with TROUBA doesn't pass the smell test if you're using any form of logic...ditto for the alleged rift caused by the waiving of GOODROW...another assertion I don't really buy...I mean, did it play a factor? I'm sure. How much of a factor? I doubt much. Maybe icing on the cake...Really, the only reason this team has started to win a few games is based on how they're being deployed...that the equally stupid coach actually adjusted his approach somewhat. And that happened really this month.

VCP, I disagree with your take that this is all in Zibanejad’s head. Traditonally, Mika has had a tendency to go through prolongued slumps, and it’s often clear when it’s a mental thing. He holds himself to very high standards, and you can tell he feels like he’s lettin people down, especially because he wants to be the guy who carries his team. I get that. But even during those slumps, he’s still typicly a very good defensive forward who adds value in other areas. He might not be scoring, but he’s effective at keeping his opponents off the board. So even when his offense isn’t clicking, he’s like a modern-day Skrudland, a guy your still comfortable sending out there. But right now, he’s not the same player. He’s slower than usual. Normally, Mika has a long, low stride that makes him look slower than he actually is, but the reality is he’s typically a very fast skater. Right now, though, he’s not moving the way he used too. His defense isn’t as sharp either. Some of that is mental, with those “angels and devils” on his shoulders messing with his confidence, but honestly, he’s showing signs of physical declind too. It’s still early to draw conclusions, and I’m not suggesting his career is over, but he doesn’t look like the 27-year-old Mika we’ve seen in the past. Not at all.

ZBADs decline is in his head not a physical issue. He isn't injured since he never gets involved...he knows this core which he is part of is done ..

RF4L - "Come earlier than I ever envisioned" Doesn't that register as "surprising"? :)...

NYStranger: Alas, NMCs and partial NMCs are becoming the norm across the league it seems. Part of the problem in NY is they're handing out these contracts to guys in their late 20s. How many players are able to produce at 34 and 35 as they did when the contract was first signed? Not many. Z's decline isn't surprising to me at all but it has come earlier than I ever envisioned.

JFC.... The difference is that CO did it once and the guy was out the door.... Drury did it multiple times(whether it be Goodrow, Trouba, sending out the letter of guys that were available, leaking team stuff to the press, etc).... The worst thing he did was he created a horrible, festering boil of negativity(Trouba) and left it on the team, like a grenade thrown in the middle of the locker room for seven months. Their team captain. Who was now a shell of his former self and a blackhole of negativity. If Trouba get's moved in the summer, you could argue that the losing streak never happens.... This team get's a lot of shit, but you can make the argument that a lot of teams (lesser teams) would've quit on the season. This team did not.

JFC - I hear ya but sometimes it is just not as easy as that, life and the human factor intervenes..It happens when businesses, schools, whatever make personnel or funding cuts...and employess feel pissed or hopeless or shafted....It's hard to work through and often takes time for whoever stays on....Which it looks like they finally have...And, honestly, the players don't owe the Fans jack, they owe their team and teammates...It's the Owners and GM that owes the fans the best team...Drury's actions made that undoable for at least awhile...........All moot points now, that funk is gone......Now, has the GM obtained, let go, re-signed, extended the right players? Ditto for future moves... can the coach get the best out of his team and players? Can the players perform? all that matters now

Rhet - how did the Colorado GM do anything different than Drury. He didn’t speak tomthe team or have to hold their hands. He took a home grown player and gave him 5-minutes to clear out his locker. Raantanen said he was in shock….completely taken aback. He was even willing to take below what he could have demanded to stay in Colorado. The GM didn’t care..he made a business dieci son and carried it out coldly and without subtlety. These are “workers” who are living a dream…even the lowest paid players make close to $1 million per year. This is the line of work they chose. The history of the league is full of examples of cut-throat trades where guys were unceremoniously traded…guys who were so beloved that their numbers end up in the rafters…but it made no difference, they were dumped. Players have an obligation to put forth their best efforts, especially for the fans. The Rangers core players failed miserably at that and dominoed all the rest of the young guys with them. Instead of putting on their big boy pants, they wore diapers like a bunch of babies.

Hospo: by my count, Z is one of seven centers on the Team Sweden roster. If their management has been watching the players perform this season, Z will be lucky to avoid being the 13th forward. I hope he gets some playing time and does well, but . . .

In regard to the TEAM: It's about showing the team the bare minimum of respect. Drury repeatedly chose to do the exact opposite. Guys are more likely inclined to go through a wall for you if you show them some respect. He still could have achieved all the same results but guys would've understood. With just a simple conversation.They may not have liked it, but they would've understood/been okay with it. I have worked at places where employees don't feel like management doesn't give a flying f-k about them and it's usually a toxic work environment. It seems counterproductive to wanting to win a Stanley Cup to me.

And speaking of ZBAD..wow can his mistaken extension by DRURY prove to be very, very costly! Not just the contract and term which is quasi acceptable (specially given an escalating cap) for the player HE WAS but what the decay has made the Rangers do and what they are thinking about..There would be no reason to even be considering MILLER if ZBAD is what Drury paid him to be....And now they MIGHT be willing to be giving up CHYTL, LINDGREN and at least a draft pick to replace that?..And then there's a possible cap clearing trade of ZBAD which would also cost the Rangers....And then there is the total destruction of the Kakkao-CHYTL-CUYLLE line to find lines that would help ZBAD out of his funk which at least partially contributed to Kakkao becoming a player non grata to Laviolette and had him shipped out at low value...........Damn, all in all, the best thing is for ZBAD to get his head out of his ass and be the player he used to be

So, the big story this season for all of us Wall Bangers is the unbelievable collapse of this team for a month and a half. All the stories about how this team was so traumatized by the way Trouba & Goodrow wwere treated by Big Bad Drury and then the HORROR of having Chris Kreider’s name mentioned in a memo sent to all the GM’s. For goodness sake, how could this team do anything but go into a tailspin after being so terribly traumatized by such a mean & insensitive general manager? And that’s exactly what was floated here and all over social media…and turned into gospel…it’s all Drury’s fault for being disrespectful to his players. Now, why don’t we compare and contrast all that with the trade of Miko Raantanen? A life-long Avalanche player, helped them win a Stanley Cup, always in the running for MVP, one of the premier players in the NHL, heading for his 3rd straight 100-point season. He was getting ready to leave the hotel for a game vs. Boston, got called to the GM’s room and told he was traded. He had to pack his shit and leave to go to meet with his new team ASAP! How did the Avalanche team respond? Did they collapse? Did they go into a tail spin? Did the players decide they were going to get revenge on their GM and play like shit? I don’t want to hear any more bullshit about how insensitive Chris Drury is. The collapse was all about the players…none of whom has won a Cup…shitting the bed and shitting on the fans for a month and a half. If Drury wants to simply let this year play out and only make HOCKEY TRADES, not trades to try and squeak into the playoffs, that is fine with me. The HEART of this team needs to change and maybe a guy like JT Miller, who rubs some of his team mates the wrong way because he doesn’t sugarcoat his opinions, is what the rangers need…as a HOCKEY TRADE. In 2026, he no longer has a full NTC so there are options. I don’t give a shit how Drury makes his trades or which players he traumatizes…that helps to identify who has what it takes and who doesn’t.

One of the reporters referred to Z's line as the shutdown line during Laviolette's Pre-Game presser and he took exception to it.... It's quite literally what they are, but he said they're still expected to outscore and out chance the opposition.... Whatever you say coach.

NY- I think the players wanting control over where they live is becoming the norm. These guys make peanuts compared to other professional sports,so the only real thing they can leverage with the cap is where they live. The only good thing is that at least Borgen's contract isn't a full NMC after the first year. It allows families to know they have a certain amount of time where they can settle. I would want that, but I can understand why most fans think it's ridiculous. It was most painful in the covid cap hell era. Hopfefully that changes as the cap increases. But the Rangers aren't the only team offering these modified NMC. I think if you are a young single guy you might not care where you play.But a family makes it a different story!

Speaking of the 4 Nations Tourney, maybe some positive play there is the only thing that can get ZBAD back to half of what he was 2 years ago? And would BOESER be another attempt to help ZBAD???

What I can’t understand fully is why the NYR keep needing, presumably, to hand out NTC to sign players? Borgen is form my understanding a pretty run of the mill defender. So why the need to incentivize the contract? Why the need to rush and fo it at all? Has the perception of culture so bad in NY that they need to do this to sign guys. Is cost of living so prohibitive? I doubt that can be it. Sign a deal then get traded to a no tax state seems like a good thing for your finances. Gotta be that players truly don’t want to sign here.

RHET- You have to think outside the box! I think the plan might be for Stone to get hurt IN the 4 Nations tourney!

HellsKitchen- Contracts use other contracts as a starting point,but costs depend on more than just the bottom dollar. Makar might earn 500K less per year (and is clearly the most dynamic offensive defenseman in the league) but he becomes a UFA at age 28. Hughes makes a lot less but becomes a free agent at age 27. Fox doesn't become a UFA until age 31. Fox might sign another big contract but his will seem like a bargain when Makar and Hughes get their next payday. Fox's contract is the leaast of our problems. Shesty's contract will seem like a bargain as early as 2027 with the way GM's spend on free agents (yet owners cry foul whenever they negotiate a CBA).

Boesser is a pending UFA. That is the kind of thing I am fearful of Drury doing. Overpaying for a rental to try to make the playoffs. They won't resign him and will give up assets. Othman or Berard or Laba and their #1 pick. Also, why did they feel the need to pay Fox more than Hughes or Makar? Was someone going to come along with a $9.5 M offer sheet? Did he turn down $8M?

Rhet: I read that last week but suspect it's purely media speculation because he's a pending UFA and looking for a significant raise. He's making $6,650,000 now and will be looking for at least $3,000,000 and will turn 28 next month meaning the bulk of his contract will be in his 30s.

I mean, I don't envy the position DRURY is in right now, even though it is 110 percent a position of his own doing. What the Rangers need...very clearly...is JT MILLER. It's the only way they're going to make the playoffs. And it's the only way they have a shot of going deeper than the first. Even then, it's not guarantee...but then you have three centers approaching their mid-30s and eating something to the effect of $22 million in cap. And if you believe the trade rumor of CHYTIL-LINDGREN-conditional pick...then you have to replace LINDGREN. Obviously, that would mean bumping VAAKANAINEN up at least temporarily...And then you have the issue with how you carve up the lines...the RIGHT thing to do is/was to simply push the chips in back when the team was floundering in December and make the moves to maximize picks. But obviously that's not happening with BORGEN being signed long-term...a move that I can't even begin to tell you how stupid it was...but I digress...if JT isn't in the plans...then the very next order of business needs to be what to do with Fil CHYTIL. Because now that CUYLLE isn't on it and KAKKO is gone...that line is becoming an increasing problem...and a lot of it has to do with CHYTIL just not being a two-way center. At any rate, DRURY needs to make some tough decisions. The right one here is to take a mulligan this year, get a high draft pick and move into 2025-26 with renewed vigor. But that ain't gonna be the path he takes. I know that for sure...

'A bit more complicated'…yeah like the Rangers are waiting for JT to turn 40 before making the trade. He'll have loads of ‘intangibles' by then!

Ryan Lindgren opens up about agonizing Rangers trade rumors: ‘Don’t want to go anywhere’ By Larry Brooks Published Jan. 27, 2025, 8:17 p.m. ET

"Elliotte Friedman claims J.T. Miller's potential blockbuster trade to NY Rangers "a bit more complicated" than public reports"....He doesn't say how, just that it's more complicated. Still alive I guess?

Of course Dolan may have other plans...Us fans are screwed as long as Drury is here and Dolan

If Drury thinks this team can make some noise in the playoffs he is even dumber than I thought... panarin, ZBAD have to go. Kreider can still work as a 3 Rd line. Unless of course he can't play without ZBAD then they both need to go... I still trade Igor and fox call me crazy.We aren't close as if today.

Apparently, Mark Stone is playing in the 4 Nations Tournament. I am quite concerned that he wont have enough time to get injured before the trade deadline.

IFFFFF DRURY really wanted MILLER it seems he might have over played his hand and/or screwed the pooch..but..who knows...Vancouver can't be wanting to come out of this with Pettersson and Middlesatdt as their soft centers? or is that Cousins and MIddlestadt???...I guess JT only gets dealt if he really is a locker room problem (or with Tocchet) and not just issues with Pettrsson

Was it just me, or was that a very subdued Canucks bench after the Miller beating.... sorry, "fight."

For God's sake, trade JTM anywhere - anything please to put a stop to these ever changing, but never really changing rumours.

NEW RUMOR but this guy has been right about some other things, so take it with a grain of salt. He says the NYR's are 100% cooked on JT Miller(Done). The Canucks are talking to the AVS about a package deal, possibly centered around Casey Mittelstadt.... He says the feeling is that Miller may be willing to waive to have the opportunity to play with MacKinnon... He says that VAN is also talking to the STARS... He might also be willing to waive to Dallas due to NO TAX.... Allegedly, Miller was willing to waive for both NYR and CAR.... If there is any truth and Drury still wants Miller, he needs to either get back in the chase now or just move on to his #2 option.... ALSO: Others have mentioned DAL and COL pursuing Miller.

Poor JT Miller just got a 1punch knockdown by Schen at center ice . Kudos to JT for taking him on. Neither guy looked at the puck drop-JT to locker room for repairs

Rumors going around that Buffalo and Vancouver are talking deal involving Pettersson/Cozens.... "NHL Insider Hints to Potential Trade including Sabres' Dylan Cozens, Canucks' Elias Pettersson"....https://thehockeynews.com/betting/futures/nhl-insider-hints-to-potential-trade-including-sabres-dylan-cozens-canucks-elias-pettersson

td: There is another guy that if the Rangers didn't have JBro sitting there as a spare I would take a flyer on. But he isn't better than a spare part, and its hard to complain about JBro as the extra...and that's before we get into Vesey sitting out as well

AUBE-KUBEL on the waiver wire outta Buffalo. Rangers have far too many forwards, but he's a decent player with some edge.

What are the chances that the coach puts in any of Vesey jbro or jones, zero to none. He keeps using the word points , we need points, they were on point…. Don’t even wait for changing up the lines or the pp units. … pig headed with a body to match.

Doubt we have to worry about Jones' trade value because the Rangers won't trade Jones this year since he is the only thing in the entire organization that can even try to replace some offense if FOX gets hurt again..One of those two bozo have to know that...of course they should be playing him at least a little to get him ready for that or a trades, but that's another story!

Barring a trade, IMWO what the Rangers have to do now is try to find a way to maximize the individual play and line play of the middle two lines.....The first line seems to have regained their mojo, even the mistakes that come with it!!! and the 4th line has been flat out Balls to the Wall with Remps being a HUGE part of it..It's the middle two lines that have to be figured out..of course, a lot lays on the utter decay of ZBAD and his nothingness (and losing the game yesterday!!!)....AK34 has a great shoot first mentality but doesn't provide much else, Kreider is an in-zone playe now with little transition....I am not an expert but current configuration of the six can't be the best way to go, or is it?..I would personally move AK34 (as a start) with ZABD and Kreids tell Z to carry the puck, shoot, get fuckin involved...and love to see whatt Cuylle can do with CHYTL again..It would be awesome to see Cuylle hitting and ofrecheck with malice again instead of just skating all over the place...Oh well..........I figured i'd post that instead of going to a post on the coach or GM being the root of all evils after a last second lost where they played well, but deserve the pain for the way they (including the coach) handled the end

The Islanders just landed Scott PERUNOVICH from the Blue for a fifth-round pick. Only reason I mention...other than that the Isles got a pretty decent defender for almost nothing...is that this is PRETTY MUCH what you can expect to get for JONES. Very similar players.

TD, agree with much of the post. I think both Kreids and Zbad are having bad years. Just as player have career years, These two suck this year. Unfortunately , I don't think for these two it will be the outlier bad year. I think Ranger fans will see this become a trend for these two players. As for Chytil, as much as I like him he is still one or 2 hits away from being Lindros or Pat Lafontaine. Smith Jr. Isn't bad. <maybe a 3rd line player but definitely not a first line player. Also, don't think Im a fan of Kaliyev either. I'd like to see Othman get a run of games and see how he produces. This team just doesn't have "It" this year. The coach sucks too.

TD. Deck chairs on the titanic as long as Lardiolette remains the coach AFAIC...

I think part of the problem with the Rangers is that have too many guys that are taking up ice and are not really doing much with it...like first? Let's talk KREIDER. The guy is on pace for his second-worst career point total, with the first being the pandemic-shortened season. Is this an injury? Is this age? Is this both? Can't be having this guy out there playing 18 minutes a night and producing 30 fucking points. Z is marginally better, but still. On pace for 48 points as the team's second line center? Same question for SMITTY Jr.: pacing for 42 points. He does play the PK, so he's not completely valueless outside of his offense...but we're not far from there...CHYTIL. Man, I love Fil. I do. But at this point, the guy is just not a very good center. He's got big holes in his defensive game and his offensive game simply doesn't keep pace with them. He either needs to play in the top six or be traded, because once KAKKO was traded, his line hasn't been all that productive...the thing is, these are issues the Rangers could easily correct. I mean, quite frankly? I still have no idea what SMITTY Jr. is doing on this team. He's not a bad player, but he's not checking any of the boxes that this team needs checked. He's just another dimension of the same players they already have. And like I said...if you're NOT going to move CHYTIL to wing, then you have to trade him.

Thinking about how this team should move forward, I think part of the issue here is that the third line just isn't being used in a way that its being effective. I'm not a big fan of KALIYEV-CHYTIL-KREIDER...and one of my thoughts would be to move CHYTIL and KREIDER up with Z...and then go out and get a physical center to fill that role...mentioned here I would ask what San Jose wants for KUNIN and STRUM...And I'd put them on with CUYLLE...Or move CHYTIL straight up, put KALIYEV on that top line...something like KUNIN-STURM-CUYLLE would be a VERY tough line to go up against. Them with the EDSTROM-CARRICK-REMPE line would give teams fits.

And yeah PP1 is stale. So stale it reeks of mold. When is the last time Z scored off a 1-timer on the PP, something that used to work but doesn't anymore. I've said it previously - distributing the minutes better and reducing the reliance on the veteran leadership forwards is more work and stress than Lardiolette cares to deal with at this point in his career. He's made his money (and continues to do so) so where's the incentive for him to start behaving like Tortorella and pissing off those guys? There's none so it's the same old same old and I see zero reason to anticipate anything to change until he's gone.

TD: You know why - it's an old school out of touch coach using veteran stroking bench management. Nothing much will change as long as he's there.

MC/RF4L - The issue is less with PP1 than the way they are overused. PP1 isn't stalling because of Z. It's just stale. Opponents have deconstructed it and have neutralized it for the most part...and just to get back to Z...while he's certainly part of the issue, just look at the others just slurping up PP time: TROCHECK at 3:02 ATOI on the man-advantage. FOX at 3:07. And PANARIN and KREIDER are all at 3:11. That's a batshit crazy amount of PP time for guys who are officially producing BELOW the league average...Z at 2:44. And then the cliff. LAFRENIERE gets 1:46 and CHYTIL 1:13. Then everyone else? Averaging LESS THAN 60 SECONDS of PP time PER GAME. Just think about that. Basically means that if the Rangers have three powerplays, their second unit is basically getting about 20 seconds on each. That wouldn't be an issue if 1. the first unit was scoring; and 2. if LAVIOLETTE balanced out this weighted time by giving third and fourth lines more ice. But yeah. Neither is happening.

The thing I simply can't figure out here is that for the past month, the BEST line for this team has been EDSTROM-CARRICK-REMPE. I mean, it's not even close. Every time they're on the ice, something is happening. And this was the case too, when VESEY was in for REMPE. So really, for two months, these guys have been the best. And yet they couldn't break nine minutes against the Avs...Now, I'll add this quick caveat: I think REMPE has played very well since he's come back from suspension...even though he continues to be used exceedingly sparingly...so if the idea here is that LAVIOLETTE doesn't trust the kid...and I don't think he does...well, double shift CUYLLE. Or dress VESEY. But EDSTROM and CARRICK have been stellar. It's mystifying that neither one has been getting broader minutes. And like I said, I'd include REMPE in with them too, but can somewhat understand the reasoning there.

TD, come on man. Most of use are just so bloody pissed at the coach for his love of Z-shit, it's just not one game, it's been the last 2 seasons. There's no bloody way he deserves that much ice time or pp # 1 usage.

Rhet0ric - Yep. I don't think Z had a bad game at all. And like I said...if someone is blaming Z for that loss? They're just looking for a reason to bitch about him.

RHETORIC: you aren’t incorrect although nowadays your defense must get in on the forecheck to create overloads and keep the puck deep. I think the problem is timing. There is risk of course but if the coach senses fatigue on the other team or feels like his team is unable to hold the forecheck 3-in it’s not unusual by any team in the NHL now to activate the defenders nowadays.

Zbad started the end game disaster by trying a cross ice pass that was intercepted and cleared down the other end. Then he went off the ice to let others finish off the disaster. From a possible win or tie to magically a loss because horse Cartwright behind the bench was in glitch and buffering mode.

ColinSNewsday ?@colinsnewsday.bsky.social?.... At #NYR practice, everyone is present and accounted for. There don't seem to be any changes in line combinations or D pairs. PP1 is unchanged (Fox, Zibanejad, Panarin, Trocheck, Kreider) and PP2 is minus Kaliyev (Miller, Lafreniere, Chytil, Smith and Cuylle).

TD... Z was only on the ice for the 1st goal(secondary assist) and that happened because Vaakanainen got blatantly pulled down at the blue line..... The 2nd goal that MacKinnon got a primary helper on was on the PP against TRO and SMITH.

BORGEN and MILLER were out there on their normal shift. FOX and Z had just left the ice. The issue wasn't the personnel. It was the approach. Gotta get the puck deep there. MILLER was partially to blame as well for dishing it back to BORGEN and not keeping it deep. The whole thing was a fucking mess...and it all started with leaving PP1 out there for the last 2:30 of the game. Shoulda pulled those guys after a minute, gotten PP2 out there and let them close out the game. But no. Same ol' same 'ol. The same gassed-ass forwards on. And man, the backchecking from that group of three was pathetic. MILLER gets a small pass because he was so deep. I guess you could give a pass to KREIDER for the same reason...but PANARIN and TROCHECK? They just left BORGEN out to dry there. Lollygagged back like there wasn't 15 fucking seconds left in the game.

I get that it's the 'new' thing for Ranger fans to hate everything ZIBNEJAD, but I don't think it's right to single him out for the loss yesterday. Or even his lack of production. He was tailing MacKINNON's line the whole game. And while Mac had a couple of helpers(as did NECAS), I gotta say they were relatively contained. In other words, I think Z did his job. Could've been better...especially if he was held off the scoresheet...but holding that guy to one primary and one secondary assist isn't all that bad, relatively speaking.

Agree using yesterday as an example that we can’t compete against a team like the AVS is ludicrous…We dominated for significant stretches of the game including the third period….Laviolette took no blame for the loss and he should have…The PP wasn’t working and he doubled down on playing the same unit….I have no problem with Borgen and Miller being out there at the end…That was smart….Miller going deep with the puck as the PP was expiring was risky as an exhausted Panarin was covering his point…Borgen takes the pass from Miller and passes to Panarin instead of getting the puck deep and that was the game…Panarin couldn’t skate back and his continual overstaying his shifts cost us a game…Laviolette never mentions this and says we are still trying to win the game at that point…Well nice job Skippy…

RF4L... Probably :) ...Let's just hope he doesn't go into a big slump after signing his big deal.

I don't like this tendency we have of having both of our D jumping in on the play in the O-zone. That usually causes the weak side forward or center to play their vacated D spot. I hate it and it gives me agita. It's not like we have Leetch and Zubov out there. I'm glad the coaching staff loves BORGEN, but cut it out.... Also, why was Borgen out there on the PP late in the game anyway?

The entire 3rd line had a rough game yesterday, so did Borgen and Miller. Z was 80% on face-offs and his line scored a goal(though I know it only counts when he gets a point).

What a waste of time watching yesterday’s Ranger coaching display. The Craps fired Lardiolette and look where they are now. Time to move on from this old-and-in-the-way Coach. Bring in Messier he will stop this garbage. I’m looking forward to canceling my Tv packages, please loose more now to save me $75 bucks a month.

BTW, Z and K yesterday collectively were -2, had 3 shots, put up 0 points, and played over 36 minutes including premium PP1 time. Quite impressive, isn't it?

That final PP where Lardiolette used the team's timeout so PP1 can play the entire 2 minutes was for me, annoying as phuck. All they were doing was passing the puck around the perimeter and that includes during the first PP, too. Such old school coaching tactics - I cannot wait until the door is hitting his fat ass on the way out.

How many times have so many of us here screamed about how fucking PREDICTABLE the arrangers are with their constant E-W passing? How many of us have said that sooner or later they were gonna get BURNED and probably at the worst possible time. Well, yesterday was the realization tino of those fears. Even a guy like Borgen, who hasn’t been around that long, gets PROGRAMMED that cross-ice passing is “the Rangers way.” Every team in the league knows what they are going to do and yet they keep on doing it. Yesterday, the bill came due and if they go into a spiral again, that disgusting loss will be a big part of what causes it. I’m still fuming about it…and a bunch of other stupid shit personnel-wise. However, that single loss might clinch a Drury decision to turn the page on this core…a entrata woukd be a good thing. It is time to turn the damned page.

As for what the Rangers should do? Man, they should be selling off every single UFA. SMITTY, LINDGREN, VESEY, And quite frankly, trading goddamn BORGEN before his friggin' NTC kicks in. Might as well trade JONES. Clear out some roster spaces for BERARD, OTHMANN, and MANCINI...but that ain't gonna be it. DRURY will go for it. I'm frankly surprised the MILLER situation hasn't resulted in a trade at this point...because the same smoke that was around KANE two years ago has been around this one. I would be fairly surprised if all of this was just smoke.

Actually, SMITTY Jr.'s interview yesterday kind of got to me. Not to pick on him, but his attitude really said it all: We felt we played well and there were good things about the game. Yeah...but you lost. And you lost because of some really stupid errors. And every game you lose from here out is one step closer to missing the playoffs for the first time in four seasons...so what's your response to how do you feel about that loss? WE HAVE TO BE BETTER. Don't come away from a game like what with positives. Come away from it saying you're motherfucking sick of losing. You want to give yourself a participation award for showing up on a Sunday? Great! Do it quietly and out of the eye of the media. Every word out of the Rangers' mouths yesterday should've been we weren't good enough. Period. Full stop. We gave up two bullshit early goals. We took stupid penalties. We didn't pay attention. We lost a game we should've won...The other thing these fuckers seemingly have forgotten is that this was a team considered a contender during game 1. It took just an phenomenal amount of shit play to get them to where they are, dangling by a thread. So to fucking come out and say you see 'positives' in a loss like that, Junior. Fuckin' hang your head and work harder next time.

Biggest obstacle the Rangers face is behind the bench. The guy seems incapable of seeing what is working(fourth line) and what is absolutely NOT working(the PP). Also can't seem to find the correlation between overskating his top players and losing games like yesterday's match. Pure madness for him to keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect different results...Like dude. First? Play for the point in that one. ESPECIALLY when you need points. Doing a full-court press skating PP1 for the last 2:30 of the game? Stupid. If I'm on the bench, the only message I'm giving is for them to get and keep the puck deep...Yesterday's loss was a combination of breakdowns...but they all lead back to the same place.

Dreary in the past few years in search of a top 6 centre/right wing has traded Morgan Barron, a 2022 4th rounder, a 2022 1st rounder, a 2022 2nd rounder, a 2023 1st rounder, a 2023 2nd rounder, a 2023 5th rounder, a 2024 3rd rounder, a 2025 3rd rounder, a 2025 4th rounder, a 2025 5th rounder, a 2026 3rd rounder, and a 2027 2nd rounder. The only thing to show for all that? Reilly Smith! What a fabulous GM he is!!!

How is that "clear" when two weeks ago they outplayed Colorado until late in the 3rd period and lost in OT..and then yesterday outplayed Colorado and only didn't go into OT because of a collective mind melt?? Not disgreeing about the Rangers being a few pieces away but The bozo can use a better example then that

Too bad hall of famer lb is now behind the nyp paywall of sports+. LARRY BROOKS Rangers’ lack of any room for error makes losses like this so crushing By Larry Brooks Published Jan. 26, 2025, 7:26 p.m. ET…… but it’s not hard to figure out just what happened yesterday and who were responsible for blowing at least one point. Take your pick, I give the eight avenue dunce cap to lardass . He’s the gift that keeps on giving. The one move of putting zbad instead of laffy on the pp was typical for him but taking the timeout to continue with the same unit without changing even one or two guys is classic stupidity. And to add insult to injury after the game he tried to invoke plausible deniability. He’s costing the team more points than the players are , that’s the bottom line for this season.

“ The Rangers have not been able to clear that Eastern Conference Final in two of the past three seasons, and after a near catastrophic collapse earlier in this campaign, there’s no question they are not just one or two pieces away from achieving their goal. Nothing is more clear than when they stack up against a high-octane Colorado team with consistent game-changing skaters like Cale Makar and Nathan MacKinnon. ”

“ At the end of a 2-minute, 42-second shift for Panarin, Makar hopped out of the penalty box and seized Will Borgen’s intended pass for No. 10.”

“ The NHL unveiled the Rangers’ quarter-century team on Sunday. On the first team, Chris Kreider, Panarin and Zibanejad made up the forward group, while Adam Fox and Ryan McDonagh rounded out the back end. Face of the franchise for most of his 15-year NHL career, Henrik Lunqvist was naturally the first-team goalie. Jaromir Jagr, Derek Stepan and Mats Zuccarello were named the second-team forwards and Dan Girardi and Marc Staal were the defensemen. Igor Shesterkin was named second-team netminder. “

How quickly we forget game 6 in Raleigh last year. Kreider should be in I R. He is clearly hurting. ZBad is the puzzle for me. He seems to have lost his hands. I don’t get it at all.

JFC - I agree that a normal KREIDER would be perfect for any team (including the Rangers) needing a strong winger who can skate in the POs..s I mentioned yesterday, when was the last time we saw Kreider zoom down the ice or in transition?..He has become more or less a stationary in zone player....He shows a hint of that old kreider..then yeah..(And i have always been a Kreider fan!)

Kreider would be the classic trade-deadline trade to a Cup contender that just feels it needs to beef up its PP as the final piece of the puzzle. Teams that feel they are that close will do crazy things and give up a huge amount to have the premier net-front tip master in the NHL standing in front of opposition goalies for the playoffs. It would not surprise me if Drury was leaning towards holding on to Kreider but gets BLOWN AWAY by an amazing offer that he simply can’t refuse. I think that’s what will happen. And ya know what? It’s time….its time to turn the page on Z & Kreider. Z is just too tough to move but without Kreider, maybe he caves. Or maybe they go as a package deal…though I don’t know whom would want Z at this point. He’s got 9 fucking goals while he has the privilege of PP1 time all season!

Igor isn't the best if he isn't aware....He is in the top 5 ...Trade him now!!!!

I hate to be right but I have been saying for quite some time. ZBAD and panarin aren't for the playoffs... kreider eh ...he might be with the right cast around him. If we get in this year we ain't going anywhere.. as constructed.

Miller or Pettersson…….I bet Tocchet would rather keep Miller. Pettersson is a prancer. Rangers do not need him.

PJ - JMWO... but I just don't see a deal for ZBAD from either a seller's standpont (Rangers) or the buyer becuse of the mystifying craziness of his decline ..The Rangers can hope he comes back while a buyer would be nuts to hope that right now.....I thing Kreider will have to show some evidence of speed and strength and that he can play PO hockey before a PO team would be interested..And, i hope i am dead wrong on both of those!!!

Hospo…I believe you could move Kreider…Z would be extremely difficult and you would have to give something and retain salary…That said they Laviolette continues to play them like he is fine with their play which is baffling….JBRO and Vesey would have helped us more today IMO…

The off seson is another story......but......DRURY is not going anywhere until the Rangers miss the POs,probably not then beause blame is being put elsewhere......Fat Bastard was saved by the recent run and their will be no reason to can him this in during a PO fight,,,....The Bromance Era is not ending this year because no GM in their Right mind would touch either player..KReider because he no longer shows the speed he even had in last year POs and is likeyl injured and nobody has a clue about ZDECAY.....A GM would have to be brain dead to obtain either player....And MILLER is no longer looking like a possibility because Drury overplayed his hand.....That leaves ZFLOAT and KREIDS with the Rangers and the Rangers have no choice but to play them and hope, unless they can go on LTIR for either physical or memtal health reasons....Failing that, the best thing they can do IMWO is reunite the Bromancers and let them either leave their stink to one line or perhaps find their mojo.....Let CUYLE play with CHYTL and whoever

NCRanger. Agree with lots of that. But alas most won't happen unless the Rangers experience another stretch like mid November to the end of December.

My take: Bromance era needs to officially end w/ the most positive pieces we can yield from eliminating those two from the roster. I’ve said it a billion times. Z’s officially decline started last year, but even I didn’t think he would be this bad. Like just wow. Secondly, the coach inexplicably gives more ice to these ass clown pansies than Cullyle, the 4th line, Chytil, etc. Newsflash to this keep begging for that to change…….it won’t. Lardass needs to go as well. A young innovative, motivated, up and coming coach is needed…..See Caps from last year. Lastly, Drury needs to be fired asap. This dude hands out NMC’s to 4/5/6 defenders now. I mean holy snit, are his negotiation skills that bad??? That’s a rhetorical ?…..answer is yes, they are. In addition to his trading ability, which might be even worse. So in short, get rid of Z, K, Lardass, and Drury. Tank for as high a pick you can get this year, and hire a competent GM with a coach as described above. Then, maybe, you’ll begin to see a culture shift and reason to be excited about the current and future outlook of the NYR’s. Oh, and don’t trade for JT. Another colossal mistake. Alas, none of this will happen so my words are just vapor. We have a dipshit owner who has no idea what the hell is going on unless his pretty boys are getting beat up on the ice and embarrassed (prob strikes a nerve with his little man silver spoon complex) or they miss a couple of playoff gates. Hence, why I want Drury to miss this year. Might, just might get the ball rolling unless DD inherited Sather immunity. Hope to be around for better times.

That’s a flush game. Yeah not the best and no margin to give but for parts of the game they were awesome in the neutral zone. They got beat and maybe let this one slip. I’m okay with it. Move to the next one. Cannot dwell nowadays. All in all they’re in the midst of 70-80% powered team hockey. Room to grow but their resurgence is gonna have those moments

I don't think anyone is saying Z cost us the game by himself, it was a team effort for sure. However, Z frigging blows and the coach can't or won't see it. I blame the Lardass more than I blame the man-bun actually. Lardass has the power to bench him but he not only doesn't do that, he continually gives him so much undeserved ice time at the expense of guys like Cuyle and Z-shit has not taken advantage of it. That's what pisses off so many of us. Fuck that coach.

Per the 4th Period.... Pagnotta says VAN talking to SENS about Elias Pettersson..... and Friedman talking about the SABRES being interested in Pettersson again.

FWIW I think K has good value because his game isn't driving the offense which is supposed to be Z's forte. Imagine for example him on MacKinnon's wing? He could bring a 1st and a legitimate prospect IMO. Alas Z has no value and will require salary retention and a sweetener to entice another team. If his contract situation was like K's very different. But it's not. It's a bigger hindrance than his play.

RF- agreed. I get that he thinks Z is important to get going, but at some point you have to go with guys playing well.

I didn’t see the game, only heard it. But the Avs are a high flying team. Yeah, it sucks how it ended, but this team has put themselves back in playoff contention. They came back from two 2- goal deficits. But shooting ourselves in the foot seems to be a regular occurrence. Other teams do the same thing. There will be moves made, but I doubt selling off assets to rebuild is on the table. And who would trade for Z right now? Or Kreider? So it’s either they go for it or they miss out. I’m sure the fire Drury crowd would rather we miss out. As VCP reminded us, the regular season doesn’t matter and there was no desperation to finish strong as the playoffs came along last year, but they kept winning and won the cursed President’s trophy. This might be interesting to see them fighting for a spot down the stretch.

Outshot the AVS 37-21 and had a great day on faceoffs as well…Too many big mistakes and Igor was not at his best…

Well it was an exciting game and the Rangers played well during lots of it especially after the 1st period. Some good down low goals. The biggest culprit here AFAIC is kard for his decisions on PP1 (I see no justification for having Z and K there), his overplaying of P, and his continual marriage to the veteran forwards at the expense if the younger ones. Looking forward to his dismissal.

Lots of negativity here but the team can’t win every game. This was surely a clunker but things are fine- everything is fine.

Wow did Chris Drury learn his coaching style from playing in Colorado? It sure sounds like it... Mikko Rantanen is lighting up the AVS for the trade to CAR. Saying there was ZERO communication there. He expecting to get a deal done with the team, saying that he was even planning to take a significant cut from market value to stay with CO... He also said he was totally blindsided by his trade and was given the proverbial 5 minutes to clean out his locker once dealt. He felt he was owed just a little bit more after 10 years of service.... https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000010990066.html

Kaapo in 17 games 4 goals and 10 assists. He must be really happy that he spoke up and got traded.

Yeah, Fox TO's the puck on the PP, Panarin TO's the puck on the PP and crickets.... but that one time that Z did it, that totally cost us the game.

Zbad gives up the puck on the pp that’s supposed to score, and the new $4 million man tops that by not playing for the tie.

Yeah, Borgen did a shit job there and turned the puck over, but if Panarin sticks with him man reasonably well, it's not a goal. Of course he can't do that because he didn't get off when he should have and he's totally gassed.... At that point, he should've taken LEHKONEN down. At least we still would've likely gotten a point out of that mess.

TDCHI - No. I actually screamed at him the second it happened..to each their fucking own

If you’re blaming this on Z in any way, you’re just looking to blame him for something. That was a stupid pass and a lazy play. Neither of those things happen and the game goes to OT.

DD drury better get miller and then deal with zbad . Lardass will cry for his stepson. …. Maybe the Colorado gm can tutor DD.

nd CUYLLE only 12 minutes as he continues to get minimized by ZBAD and the coach...And Carrick, one of the best forwatrs all year, only 8 minutes..Even CHYTL 3 minutes less than ZMINUS

MC - I said that earleir today??? PJ - Maybe, is there nother team that would want him on their roster for 5 years though??

That was a team effort loss thanks to the genius coach. After not scoring on the pp of the exclusive unit, they didn’t play for the tie and lost instead. Typical of this season. The unfortunate best thing that can happen is not making the playoffs. That might wake Dolan up.

Give him a leave of absence to get his shit together..cap hit or no cap hit..somebody else can slide to center....maybe KAKKAO??

Hospo…You would have to give something and retain some salary…It would be painful but is it worse than this?

team makes way too many mistakes to be aPO team .. goals 3, 4 and 5 Rangers had full control of the puck and did stupid stuff ... need a coach who holds players accountable, can adjust....been a hold out but finally concur.. it is time for the Zbad/Krieder era to end and move on

And 5more years of this ZBAD stuff after this year? Seriosluly, he's gotta be untradeble now, so hoW can a team/coach deal with it and 9 million sunken cost

Agree, If Z would have gotten it deep, never happens. Then again if Lardass didn't put Z out there, it also likely never happens!

And everybody making the mistakes, including the coach and BORGEN, were vets getting paid big money

Man, that really sucks.....That dickweed pass at the Blueline by BORGEN and Panarina's lazy ass bull shit wouldn't hve been neccessary if a shrt while before that ZBAD gotthe puck in deep instead of tryign to go cross ice to to whoever

I seriously doubt this team makes the playoffs….Coaching decisions and poor D play will keep them out…

RF4L - KREIDER, TROCHECK and PANARIN overstayed that shift. But fucknuts LAVIOLETTE shoulda never put them back out there. This idea of shortening the bench to win the game is one of his worst shortcomings as a coach.

another example of the first pp unit staying way too long out and getting burned. It is on the coach

ColoradoMark - it was a collective fucking brain fart by BORGEN and PANARIN. BORGEN should’ve seen MAKAR leaving the box. Was tough to miss him. And that pass he made was more or less a gift. PANARIN should’ve leaned into it, instead of standing there like a boob. But that was it.

Loyalty is one thing. Beleoving in your players is one thing but god there are players thst just arent getting it done. Lardass meeds to stop being so stubborn. Those giys were on the oce so long they coupdnt even skate back. What a dofference between makar and fox. Makar was the dofference in that game

CM. Borgen passed it across just inside the blueline trying to reach Panarin as Makar left the box. Makar intercepted it and the Aves went down on a 3 on 1. Panarin didn't bother to backcheck and the guy he could have covered scored. So sick of P and his up and down play. Lardiolette was double shifting hom too.

CM…Borgen makes a cross ice pass to Panarin who doesn’t see AVS player coming out of penalty box and the AVS player takes puck and odd man rush and they score….Panarin lazily backchecking…Borgen should have just got the puck deep…

I don’t want to see that fucking PP any more! I’m done with this bullshit! Zibanejad is completely inconsequential and doesn’t deserve to be there! Idiotic way to lose! The kind of loss that can start a team collapse!

I really wish Maloney would explain what happened. He keeps saying failure to get it in, I guess I’ll watch online somewhere

Panarin giveth. Panarin taketh away. I for 1 am yearning for the day P K and Z are no longer Rangers.

Borgen fuck up and no back checking to boot...They deserve the loss just for that last 40 seconds

You desperately need the points and you do something stupid like that. Is there anybody out there that is not a moron?

Z with the powerplay winner, ya right, better chance of winning the Power Ball lottery!

Giants fans- Isvit painful to watch Saquon, (have the football game on mute) or is it one of those things where he wasn’t going to be good on NY?

Man .. the simple stuff.. just watched the Rangers turn up 3 chances to shoot the puck in, circling back instead .. fumbled it away in the neutral zone and ended up having to defend

Becuse Cuylle is playing a different style and playing with players that don't hep him in the physical aspects..The line is a total mismatch...OK, now it's time for them to score again!!!

I only hope they are showcasing Z. Mind you wi5h each game his value decreases. He's crap.

There’s a perfect example…Cuylle bulls his way in, he’s directly in front of the goal and instead of trying to force a SOG, he tries to force a weak pass that results in nothing…

On the flip side, CHYTL looks very confident out there and is alwas genrating offense

Like Hank said, get the puck behind their net and work it…They are weak there…We would rather pass on the perimeter…

Fuck you coach Lardass, putting Z on the powerplay, ya he deserves it! So sick of this shit!

Newf. I realize this sacreglious to many b7t but I won't be pining for Panarin when his contract finally ends.

So a Russian Rookie goalie starts his first collegiate game and goes on the ice before the refs and then they give him a penalty for it. What a great way to squash all joy from the sport. Fine the team instead or something. Geez.

So the Avs do t commit penalties, kind of like the Panthers in the playoffs last year. Panthers had those choir boys like Bennett and TK-Punk?

To be fair- Mackinnon, no matter who is on his line, rarely plays against any team who has an answer to him. The guy is unreal. McDavid is probably the best player, but I am always blown away by Mackinnon.

I swear,to the naked eye, Panarin is physically ad directly responsible for more GA than any forward in recent history..........

Holy SHit!!! BORGN, SMITH nd CUYLLE said..forget ZBAD, lets do it ourselves! I'll take my crow with chille and cheese!!!

Kis, I agree, K and P are like the Titanic. Every fan can see it but Dreary and Lardass haven't got the memo.

All 5 screwed up......ANd It's like Lviolette knows that the ZBAD line is not even consideration for offense..they do jack shit

Thos 10 game period the rangers had is still a mirage. This team still isnt strong or mean enough and their skill people are fast enough. They just dont have whst is needed to be a true challenger

Lat is supposed to cut in there not weekly take the puck back over to the boards just to lose it? What the hell was that?

Carolina better hope they either A) win the cup or B) can afford to sign Rantanen. Nevada and Drury are going to for in well with that offense!

This is the one game of the year that I have no way of watching! Freakin’ altitude sports hasn’t had a co tract either Comcast for 5 years. On the plus side I get to hear Kenny and Dave on the radio. Sounds like a fun game with some (as usual) questionable officiating!

As I said Z and Kreider not good at PK any longer…Cuylle better than Kreider on PK…

Lafrenière is sharp as hell today! Great anticipation intercept almost led to a goal…

I’ve seen Trochek get tugged, stumble and no call. Same with Panarin. Just because they don’t fall doesn’t mean it’s not a fucking penalty! But they call everything on the Rangers!

TD, nope, hated that guy from the first broadcast of the season! Laedass probably loves him!

Am I the only one who wants to pummel the Fan Duel guy? That dude just pisses me off.

So sick of watching Rangers players think themselves out of a good scoring chance. When they weave in, get near the goal but the lanes close down they STILL INSIST ON TRYING TO PASS…and they end up with NOTHING!

SJW, was saying the same thing, Schneider had complete control, should have easily been able to clear off the ice but made a lazy reverse play and bang, ends up in our net.

Thoughta on kaliyev? Definitely likes to shoot. Id like to see lavi switch zbad and chytil. Let chytil work woth cullye and smith

Is it the law that Z-shit line must stat every period? Man, Lardass can be dense. He has the second worst guy plus-minus in the entire NHL going heat to head against last years' MVP, makes perfect fucking sense to me!

Apparently The King can’t pronounce Colorado! I thought I was hearing thugs but it sounds like he’s saying Corado. lol

Last year the Z line was not scoring at ES but wasn’t giving up much….Special team play by he and Kreider was also very good….Now really no strong part of his game….A liability and he is not coming around…

KIS right now Meeka is nothing but a soft, feeble 3rd lien checking center..and he can't even do that..as somebody said, Carrick is better also

Schneider had full control of the puck .. and just reversed it to an AV on the weak side boards.. and in our net as a result..

A tad of a reality check watching Makar and Fox at the same time . Sam with the constant “ struggle “ stats of Avalanche without once saying they are now useless because of the new players .

Some glimpses of speed and strength by KREIDER that period...Some gimpses of more utter uselessness from ZBAD....PANARINA seems to be more ON

Is Meeka even playing. God you cant have a 1or2 center so ineffective. Please get rod of him

Like clockwork, dumbass 1 and dumbass 2 talking about how cold Colorado’s PP is.

Z is no longer our best defensive center…Like Carrick and Tro much better defensively including the PK…

Without a trade, the middlec2 lines need to be reorganized..Cuylle-Zbad-Smith has been pthetic

4th line penned in (that happens) and Foxy with a blatant penalty..gott kill this

Come on coach .. notice that Zbad line is overmatched against McKinnon line.. change the assignment

Can't sustain the Track meet .. tighten the neutral zone... officiating pathetic but unlike the losing streak, they responded and did not give up

Remps the Rabbits Foot has a few warts but he is damn good in the offensive zone

Always a Kreider fan but I am over this jackass…Refuses to compete…Get him and Z moved…

We trip a guy like that....whistle, penalty. We get tripped, play continues...other team scores. Old script!

PJ... Yeah, that one hurt. He blossomed as a NYR and we let him get away. We should've worked something out to keep him.

Rhet…Great pint on Mikkola…After playing well for us in 30 games he was a bright spot in a disappointing playoff loss to Devils…A 3 year deal at 2.5M is what it took to sign him…When I asked Blues fans about him at the time of the trade that weren’t upset at all about losing him…Wouldn’t it have been nice if he played for us vs. the Panthers in last year’s playoffs?….

WOW. All I gotta say about that BORGEN contract. The amount and term I coulda handled if that was it...but he gave him NTCs and NMCs too. FULL NTC next season. 15-team NMC next season. Dude, DRURY is seriously fucking stupid. That guy must have dust for brains. I could see the $4.1 million cap hit SANS those NMCs...but with it? This is a 5th/6th defenseman who is basically untradeable.

CM, I think it also fair to say that Seattle is not exactly a top echelon team either and a particular player might not be a good fit for a certain system, no? There is also a set of players, especially d-man that don't hit their ceiling till they hit their prime, just around 27 years old. It is very common in NHL. You see it all the time where certain players start playing at the different level around that age. You see a 3rd pair d-man, suddenly playing comfortably on the 2nd pair and 2nd pair d-man, starting to racking up points and playing comfortably on the 1st pair, like he was playing there all his NHL games before.

Look, sure we can use contract from the past as compatibles. But it is also fair to say that moving forward due to the cap increases within next 3 years, contracts will go up. They already have and they will go even higher in the summer. Precisely why you see a price tag for Rantannen to be in a $14+ range, where same player would be lucky to get $10 mil few years back. So the price tag for the 2nd pair d-man is already in $4-5 mil range, and it will only go up. Now add a pending UFA status, and same player would easily be making over $5 mil as an UFA. Personally, I really like Borgen, and I really like what he brings in and how well he fit with the team. Even Shesti is raving abut him. So to me, it is more then a fair deal, just like I was saying before that Drury was not going let Borgen walk free as an UFA. He would have either signed him or traded him at the deadline. It made sense. So team saw a good fit, and there was no point waiting a month before deadline, where there was a big chance that Borgen would have simply decided to take his luck at UFA. What this also tells me is that Miller will be re-signed as well and that team is liking that pair. Now, where it becomes interesting it is with Lindgren. He is not coming back. Would Drury trade him at the deadline?

I had Borgen slated for 3-years at $3.6 Mil per. I would argue that Drury was trying to prevent Niko Mikkola 2.0 from happening. I like Borgen, but I'd still rather have Mikkola @$2.9 mil. As long as he continues to play like he has over the past 17 games, the deal will age fine.

Have no fear DD ( dumpster diver) drury has his hands on the wheel of the titanic.

RF4L - so now they will need two more D-man not 3! But that's next yeaars problem

So another game where i have to watch my boy CUYLLE saddled with ZBAD? It's painstaking....a more mismatched pair you couldn't find...

Something else with Borgen: All of him Vaak and Lindgren were headed to UFAgency this summer. That's 1/2 the D. Signing Borgen eases that concern.

CM - i don't want to get into a DRURY discussion on this nice Sunday! Suffice to say we disagree a bit.and the pissing away of KKKAO is still very raw for me,.But , what's important now is moving forward..Though I am a Doubting Hospo, I hope BORGEN is a good piece in that movement and somehow cancels out the loss of a big, strong, talented RW...And now what happens next?...WHo do they obtain and get rid of? What d they get for LINDGREN?

HOSPO- good points. According to reports he wasn’t playing well in Seattle this year, thus the relegation. Time will tell, my point on the playoffs is that more teams might be interested which in turn increases competition, and price. We’ve seen the ridiculous contracts on July 1. As much as Drury has sucked with his trades, he’s resisted some of the big name contracts with huge cap hits. He missed with guys like Pitlick, Bimini, etc, but they were low price misses with short term. His signings of Tro, Carrick, Quick were astute. His re-signing of current Rangers is mixed, We can all point to Z’s extension, but I don’t think anyone could predict his sharp drop off.

The Borgen contract I believe is a CYA move by Drury because he has the same nightmare that I have. KK becomes as valuable to Seattle as Middleton became to the Bruins. If KK reaches his potential Drury can at least we got a serviceable dman. Borgen goes from 6 D-man to $20m contract in a month. Lucky him

ColinSNewsday? ?@colinsnewsday.bsky.social? .... Igor starting in goal today for the #NYR.... Peter Laviolette says. As far as lineup changes, he says they’re still working things out, but he’d “like to” stay with the same lineup he’s been using.

CM - That the Rangers liked him doesn't instill me with confidence after Seattle relegated him to 6th D-man..and maybe that is what he is best for on a good team?..Aagain, I have been pleasantly surprised by his play, just not convinced or overwhelmed...I also think there's a chance he might get exposed a bit in the POs...But I hear ya with the perils of the waiting....But, how much does a half season performance rise a UFA's salary? DOn't they crunch the numbers for entire carees to come up with offers? Unless there is a bidding war?..Just have to wait and see I guess

HOSPO- I agree it seems quick- but the longer he waits, especially through a playoff run, his price goes up. It’s not like the only data they have is these games as a Ranger. Reports are they’ve been trying to acquire him for years. I’m still pissed they gave up on Kakko, but too many coaches didn’t utilize him and since he never scored as projected, he wasn’t going to live up to expectations. Sucks, but I’m hoping he has great success in Seattle.

Probably a mistake but on NHL the roster for today’s game they have jones listed instead of borgen in the starting lineup.

IMO Borgen's contract is 1 year too long and $1,000,000 a year too much. But it's liveable and for sure there are more egregious contracts on the team.

Colorado Mark hope you are right but my confidence in Drury is at its lowest point right now. Trades Kakko, Jones has zero value now 3 good weeks of Borgen gets 5 yr contract.

“Being able to trust your GM makes life as a sports fan more bearable By Mike Vaccaro”

How much will DD drury have to pay k miller to resign with the Nyr in light of the contract he just announced with borgen ? After which he will claim he needs to fix the core , which usually means the cap mess he perpetuates . He probably has throatcheck calling miller to get him here. I will be very surprised if he doesn’t get miller . Especially if he can send mr chypil back in return. The spotlight is getting brighter on his gm genius. Dolan is watching and waiting for playoff revenue. No playoffs usually means no increase in next season’s ticket prices, alias Dolan’s pocket.

CM - Npthing wrong with BORGEN's contract if you get what you pay for..I m just thinking it's too early with a SSS (anad no POs) to tell if he is, even if I like what i have seen so far for the most part with his safe straight forward and physical ala Dan Girardi play ..But, I guess Drury gets paid to make that quick evaluation..Hope it's than his Meeka extension!!!!...Agree on The Black Knight, Lindgren will be playing for his next contract and i don't think he has it in him to not give 100%....I will miss him once he's gone..but his durabilty, like that of CHYTL's (who was extended, right?), is also scary

Jake- Disagree on Lindgren- he turned his game around. I think you aren’t giving him enough credit for his professionalism and his toughness. He knew his Ranger future was short going into this season And the fact that he is playing for his next contract whether it be with the Rangers or someone else. We tend to Rangers-fy everything here. These guys have lives beyond their Rangers tenure. Borgen’s contract is fine and probably below market value for what we would pay on July 1. He obviously fits in, where a contract signed in July might not (See Nemeth, Patrick). Nobody in his age is signing g a 3 year contract. And again, cap is going up. Feel free to say “told you so” in a few years, but his contract is moveable. I predict at worst this signing is okay. At best it’s a bargain!

The Borgen extension is a mistake and at the price Tag it becomes a fireable offense. Borgen has played well for all of 3 weeks and K. miller is playing better but Drury overpaid to justify the KK loss. If I am Lindgren I know I wont be back so I expect his play to fall off even further. As a former player and captain Drury doesn’t give a shit about players feelings.

There was this today.... According to Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli, both sides appear to have accepted that a split is inevitable, with each of them being "ready to move on" from each other.... “The Canucks seem to have reached a point where they are ready to move on from Miller," Seravalli wrote on Saturday. "Likewise, Miller seems to have reached a point where he is ready to move on from the Canucks."....

Not sure of the accuracy but I’ve read in several different places that if Miller accepts a trade, he wants a team on the East coast. I’ve also read that he and Trochek have been friends since their early days playing in PA so his Rangers past & the presence of Trochek might be the deciding factors if the Canuckleheads decide to trade him. It still makes no sense to me to think that after this whole drama with JT sitting out and rumors of bad blood, etc that Vancouver would consider keeping JT Miller while getting rid of a 26-year old Pettersson. Seems like if that happened,mitnwouldmbe just a matter of when trouble would surface again…

It sure sounds like Vancouver is choosing to hold onto JT Miller and move on from Petterson. Friedman said that Carolina was pretty far down the road in a deal for Petterson before they pulled the trigger on Rantanen. Apparently, Buffalo is making a push for Petterson since the deal with Carolina fell apart.

Not much help tonight as Jackets, Red Wings, Sens all win. Devils just beat Habs in OT…

Don't sleep on the AVS. With yesterday's trade, they've got a lot of the right assets to make a trade for JT Miller. They've also pursued him in the past.

BTW, Huge, huge brawl in the Hartford-Rochester game tonight on, you guessed, Matt Rempe Bobllehead night..Too funny...https://twitter.com/i/status/1883332112692220324

And even with The extension of BORGEN, I still don't like the trade of Kakkao who I think will be much better in the long run.....but only time will with both players and how Drury reorganizes the Ranger roster.........Speaking of that........Is Colorado's centers now MaCKInion, Middlestadt, Drury and ?....Maybe they might want ZBAD.????.or do they go for PETTERSON?

Honestly, to me, extending BORGEN for that mny years years at that price is way too much of a risk for me based on 20 games and NO POs..Thinking too much too soon..I wouldn't have done it YET and Hope DRURY and you guys know more than me...That said, I like the simple, physical, straight forward way he plays the game.and he could be a durable DAN GIRARDI type............Maybe this will go hand in hand with LINDGREN going elsewhere anytime in the next 6 months...WE may/shold pick up another D man for the PO run this season..but for next year you will start with SCHNEIDER, MILLER (he will get paid),FOX,BORGEN and huge question marks

Watching the last game and they showed him on the bench smiling and chatting with someone… I thought to myself… He actually looks happy here… It wouldn’t surprise me if he wound up signing a contract to stay here… Low and behold.

CoMark.... The further you get away from a potential deal happening, the less likely it is to then happen.... Friedman mentioned that before the 3-way deal happened yesterday, it was a 3-way involving the Canucks instead. That deal involved Petterson as a key player but VAN was insisting on Martin Necas. The CANES balked at this and reportedly went with the AVS instead. The STARS seem to be the current soup dujour for the Canucks. I'm not sure what their plan is or if they even have one.

Very happy with Borgen signing…Has been playing well and is physical….Miller playing MUCH better with him as well….One of the criticism’s here was he would be an UFA and leave…Now he is under contract as part of a hockey trade…

I said he has looked good so far, but it is a small sample size. Hope he can keep it up. I am willing to bet more than 50% on this wall had never even herd of Borgen before the trade.

I panned the Borgen acquisition and Instill think Kakko was given away too cheaply, but Borgen has been serviceable and Miller is playing much better with him as his partner.

I am not sure he is a top 4 defender. Hasn't shown much with Buffalo or Seattle. I said, he has looked good here so far, but would have preferred we waited to see if his decent play continues before giving him 5 years. Just didn't see the urgency or need to lock him up yet, shouldn't Dreary be concentrating on getting Miller here and doing something with Z-crap and or Mr. 2 assist Kreider?

The JT Miller situation reminds me of the Eichel saga. Went on forever, seemed like the internets had him going to the Rangers every week. I think Drury made an offer. Van declined. That’s it. I know Drury gets drilled for his trades, but I do t get the impression that he wavers on his stances. He just might not evaluate players and draft picks like we do, but I think he stands by his convictions. Rangers are always rumored to be a destination.

And I love KK and wish he was still a Ranger. He’s the kind of guy who would be valuable for years. Problem is his draft position and expectations. It’s similar (not exact talent wise) to McIlrath. Guy might have been a solid 6-7th d man for years, but it wouldn’t have worked with the Rangers.

Cap is going up. No free agents are signing for 2-3 years at his age. Prime Plato g years (28-32) and he looks like a solid partner for Key, who is top4, so good price for a top 4. So I’m guessing that Borgen was a targeted FA who might have been signed on July 1. He is the type of player the Rangers need. Good signing.

By the way. He has some trade protection: first year of the deal Is a full no trade. The next year it’s 15 team no trade. Then Year three 10 team, year 4 a 6 team list and the final year no trade protection. Cant say I am unhappy with that. Next year it’s unlikely he would be moved anyway. And the year after as well, it won’t be a major issue. And even if they want to at 4.1 he will be affordable and half the nhl will be able to get him. After that 10 and 6 team lists are not hugely problematic and the last year having none is great so he can be moved for a pick or whatever.

I’ve really liked what I’ve seen from Borgen and I’ve also really liked what K’Andre Miller has been doing since paired with Borgen. I think the Rangers got good value with this extension at that price. As I said the other night, Botprgen is string like bull…love his physicality and he keeps his breakout passes simple. Some brain farts in the D zone occasionally but overall he has been a very good pickup by Drury. Yeah, KK is doing well so far but so is Borgen and you can’t argue with our record since the trade so the trade so far has worked out for both teams.

MC: so much? Seriously? The cap will be over 100 million before it’s half through most likely. 4 mil per is not too much for a top 4 defender.

Wow, he's been better than I expected but what's the hurry? Could have waited 20 or more games or so before committing so much money and term!

With what's been reported by LaBrun snd Friedman, I am a bit shocked that the Canucks haven't called the NYR's to pull the trigger on a Miller deal. They must be pissed at the CANES.

In regard to Lucas Edmonds: Some people like him a lot more than I do, so I guess we'll wait and see. His AHL numbers have been pretty unimpressive to date, but let's see if he's a late bloomer for us :)

TD... The opposite is true. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. When you like a player, nothing negative about them ever seems to get through to you. Everything I have stated about him has been reported on and not just by just one person or some Joe Shmoe nobody. You are welcome to believe what you want, just don't accuse me of shit because you don't like what I have to say.

CoMark... I didn't say I was writing him off, but every time we loan a kid somewhere , they're usually never heard from again :)

RF4L... Right, we had two 3 rounders instead of a 2nd and a 3rd like I said... We still traded two picks to move up to #75 to take Korzack.

Rhet. Grubbe was a 3rd rounder albeit the 1st pick of that round a pick Dreary got from Barfalo for Vesey.

TD. Interestingly (for me anyways) Del Mastro is from where I live - about 10 miles north. He's from a family of 4 boys the eldest of who is my youngest boy's friend although as they've grown older (31 now) they don't see each other as much. Those boys are all over 6 feet and 200 pounds.

TD- I thought Vaisanan was signed and loaned to his European club. He attended rookie camp. I don’t think he can be written off just yet!

I did not realize that today was shit on me day. I would've brought cake. In regard to Ryder Korczak, the writing was on the wall for him but that draft year is looking increasingly mediocre for us. Putting aside that we traded two picks to move up in the draft for Korczak, we also gave away 2nd round pick C Jayden Grubbe to the Oilers for a 5th rounder. He's doing pretty well there too, but he has a lot of depth in that organization ahead of him. On the bright side: Brody Lamb and Jaroslav Chmelar are still looking like solid picks. Kalle Vaisanen has fallen down the organizational depth chart(fingers crossed on him). Last but not least, former crown jewel Brennan Othmann. I used to be really high on this kid, but not so much anymore. It kills me that we could've taken Wyatt Johnston, in you know, a position of need. Why do we always get stupid when it comes to young centers?

RF4L - I was looking at that draft and yeah, the third round kinda sucked...but there were some good players left on the board...the guy I was pissed about with GRUBBE was Sasha PASTUJOV...I didn't think anything of Ryan WINTERTON, but he's made the show and IS a center...so small miss there. Carter MAZUR is another guy I really liked and was a miss with the 65th overall...Ethan DEL MASTRO was another that woulda been a nice pick. Rangers passed on him three times...The other one I was high on in the draft was Jackson BLAKE. Rangers passed on him FOUR times...Several of us liked Red SAVAGE too...again...four times...and Ryan UFKO was another...Rangers passed on both FIVE times. Out of those picks...GRUBBE and KORCZAK are gone...VAISANEN is overseas and not likely coming back...BOYKO and LAMB could still theoretically make it. Lotta picks to spend for nothing.

ColoradoMark - Yeah, agreed. I mean, I would'a kept KORCZAK. EDMONDS, I think, is the better of the two...but that's like arguing about different shades of black...And as weak as the Rangers are organizationally in the middle...the Pack have GROULX and LESHYSHYN as their top middle men, which is pretty good in terms of the AHL...and ROOBROECK and McCONNELL-BARKER as their other two. Just food for speculation...the first thing I thought about when I saw this pop up was whether BRODZINSKI might be headed back down to Hartford either on waivers or a conditioning stint...which, if it's the former? That could be a precursor for a bigger trade...but that's totally idle speculation that would even make Larry Brooks proud.

K was drafted in 2021 the same year BO was selected. Regarding Grubbe, he was selected using the 3rd rounder acquired by Dreary when he traded Vesey to Barfalo - the Sabres finished last in the NHL that year, making the Vesey trade look good. Nobody picked after Grubbe has done anything at the NHL level to speak of yet...

TD: K was starting to be pressboxed by the Pack. Clearly, they were down on him.

re: KORCZAK-EDMONDS trade, it's just giving two stalled careers a fresh start...neither is projecting to be an NHLer. KORCZAK was still playing regularly with the Pack, but in a bottom six capacity. He wasn't bad, per se...just really didn't have a future here. EDMONDS won't either. Very unlikely to be qualified. But who knows. He had a banging over-age year in juniors, and he played pretty well his rookie year...but, from what I understand, he had some injuries and then started to wrestle with healthy scratches...Lightning basically gave him a last chance to show what he's got, and it really didn't happen...so onward and upward...Sidenote: The Rangers actually traded UP to get KORCZAK with a sixth rounder...he was one of two centers pulled in that draft, the first one overseen by uber-GM Chris DRURY. The other, Jayden GRUBBE, wasn't qualified and is now toiling in the Edmonton system...MORE rando notes: EDMONDS was playing on the Syracuse Crunch, and their starting goaltender? None other than our own HALVERSIEVE!

Edmonds report sounds similar to Kaliyev….Great shot and little else….That said I don’t dislike Kaliyev…

I could care less what he is and I don’t even know why I mentioned it . This board is stupid sometimes .

I thought you guys follow hockey? Sakic is not the GM of the Avs. He didn't make the trade! LOL! and Rhet, we know how much you absolutely follow every rumor like its fact, but they are rumors, which I admit can be entertaining, but 99% of the time they are wrong!

Meaning the team currently constructed would need Panarin to put up McDavid numbers including the playoffs

Miller playing a third round playoff style scoring 70 points would be like Panarin scoring 140 points . Add him and the team is different more so next season and probably back in the mix for a couple years . This constructed team is dead . 4-1 first round loss .

I think Korczak had fallen out of favor in the organization, and I don’t know if he was playing much with Hartford but I’m not positive. Only thing that strikes me is that Kira’s is one of the few centers in the org, so trading one for a winger seems strange, even if the player has been deemed to have a low ceiling.

Ryder Korszak scouting report: “ The smallish, shifty center has excellent on-ice vision and passing ability. He can transport the puck into the attacking zone and set up teammates for good scoring chances. He has to get stronger and add some more explosiveness in his skating in order to succeed in the NHL, but he offers a lot to work with. Long Range Potential: Good playmaking center.”

Edmonds scouting report: “ Drafted as an overage player, he is a late-blooming forward both in terms of his physical traits and hockey brain. His best asset is his NHL-caliber shot that he gets off quickly and deceptively. He has good hand-eye coordination and can get to the front of the net for deflections. He has a good work ethic but may need an extra gear to keep up with the pace of the NHL. Long Range Potential: Solid scoring winger” Another report also touts his shot but says he doesn’t shoot enough.

Well I would rather Drury use the assets to get Miller rather than pissing them away for more deadline rentals like Roslovic, Vaak or other trash

Buff's BYRAM is also a LHSD which they have an abundance of. https://puckpedia.com/player/bowen-byram

Gonna start calling Drury ‘The Garbage Man’. He keeps picking up all the league’s trash.

Obviously there are different view points of MILLER on here, I want him but understand the opposite concerns..But, as always, our opinions mean jack shit...What matters is what Drury wants and, if he wants MILLER which all the noise points to, does he play the sitution right when all is said and done????...Not one of his strong suits..

HellsKitchen - I think you are underestimating JT Miller’s point potential but I think Drury is more interested in bringing other aspects of his style to the Rangers besides his scoring, which I think is still in the 80’s range

Dd blockbuster to make like he works on the weekend. ….https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-acquire-forward-lucas-edmonds

#NYR have acquired forward Lucas Edmonds from Tampa Bay in exchange for Ryder Korczak.

TD. Byram makes nearly $4,000,000 and this summer will be seeking double that. Middlestat signed a 4 year deal under $6,000,000. Yes he's underachieved so far this year but this was a cap move just like yesterday's trade. BTW big rumors Barfalo is looking at moving Byram cuz they're already paying big $$ to Dahlin and Powers.

Cm I agree DD drury’s job is to get them to the playoffs to keep Dolan quiet. The rest of his bs about a core is empty talk , along with his cap excuse. Lardass is supposed to get them to win the cup….literally and figuratively a fat chance…together they have done a great bad job in creating a team with chemistry… to them it’s a conspiracy against management….so getting miller can be an escape plan for blame and hopefully sending mr chypil in return before he gets permanently damaged. .

My concern with JT Miller is his age. At 32 his peak seasons are likely behind him. They would be getting a 50 to 60 point player for the next couple of seasons. Solid, but not a game changer. Some of the trades being proposed are a big overpay fors that player. He may also be a head case which could be problematic with a group looking for new leadership.

Rhet0ric - You really don't like MILLER for some reason, eh? Now he was sent home for 'disciplinary reasons?' I don't doubt some of the stuff you claim on him is true...but you seem to take some very Brooksian leaps between facts and conjecture on him, and I don't really get why, other than that you just don't like the player.

RF4L - the BYRAM deal? Jury still out on that one. MITTELSTADT is kind of a dud. Just not that good defensively and his offense...even on a team like Colorado...really hasn't shined...BYRAM, OTOH, has been a workhorse for the Sabres...and has been very solid for them this season...but if I were to guess, you're right on MITTELSTADT soon to be flipped. I have no clue why they don't have COLTON in the middle...and DRURY would be the perfect third line center for them...but yeah, SAKIC did incredibly well in that deal. And the Canes and Hawks...well...not so much. HALL will probably be injured in a few minutes and the only thing I can think with RANTANEN is that they think there's some sort of Finnish connection brewing...But man...I guess the idea is they'll let BURNS and ORLOV go and use that money to resign him...but I still just don't get it. Seems like they're loading up a super line and that just never works in today's NHL.

Rantanan is gonna get paid. He is Kakko with a purpose. He lugs the puck on the boards and you can’t get it from him but he always gets it into a high% shot. Very good player for post season play. I think In Brindamour’s system he will thrive

Joe Sakic is a gutsy GM. Last year he trades Byram and now Ratanen. In both cases you could argue he weakened the team's immediate cup chances but strengthen the team's future beyond the immediate season. Both moves are cap related. On Ratanen given his value to the team (was leading them in goals), most GMs would keep him.hoping for a cup then try to trade his rights at season's end. Gutsy move. Nice haul too. Now watch Middlestat get moved.

Rhet: Bettman would block the trade and say has to wait until another generational #1 rigged lottery for the Pens . Of course we got the ho hum#1. I’m not falling with the masses on Miller saying Rangers are the only team . He looks and smells like a Bruin .

Vancouver seems to be annoyed that teams are trying to "buy low" on Miller. So, you have a player batting with you superstar center, who has very publicly had issues with the HC, who was sent home for disciplinary reasons and has also very privately asked for a trade, but you're shocked that teams are trying to buy low on him? What a dumb-ass team. The Canucks GM is threatening to now keep Miller and trade Petterson because he doesn't like the offers. How do you keep this guy after all those reasons I mentioned? Reminder: though not made public, he has privately asked for a trade.... So tired of the drama, can we not move on already?

Ive long stated that this Rangers team is not the kind of unit that Laviolette will covet. He wants a grittier team. And while I have questioned Drury’s competence I do agree with him in principal re: a meat and potatoes team. Now go get me Brady Tkachuk. J/K. Anyone notice how he got the entire Rangers team into a scrum trying to spark the Sens. That guy is a hockey savage. Total unicorn.

Funny how all these highly paid and outspoken "NHL Insiders" as well as all the bozo bloggers had zero, zip, nada on the Rantannen deal

Apparently, the Canucks wanted Martin Ne?as in a JT Miller deal and wouldn't get off it. The Canes gave them a very creative middle finger.

E - Indeed FREDERIC would make more sense in the off season, not relly a major need right now depending on other possible moves

Have had a few Bold Rocks, so having trouble wrapping my head around the big RANTANEN to Carolina trade...and why Carolina did such a deal for a pending UFA..unless they sign him.............Hey can DRURY think outside of the BOX and do more than just a straight MILLER trade...A 3-way...Say ZBAD to Colorado? :)

CROSBY to the NYR's was also rumored last season. I think Bettman would have a coronary.

Frederic as a deadline grab would be expensive. However, I think he would be a good summer grab assuming that Chytl is gone. I think Frederic is actually a better player than he showed this season.

I want to see what happens with this deal when the NHL officially approves it. I mean, you'd think one of the extra picks were supposed to go to the Hawks, right? They trade Hall, a prospect(Nils Juntorp.) and retain 50% of Rantanen's contract all for a 3rd rounder? Otherwise, this deal should be voided.

rf4l your joking thats not funny for what 3 number 1's, laffy, miller, and 20 other players ..i dont trust drury.

re: PETTERSSON, I'll say this: The first time I watched the guy play, he was electric. He came into this league, I thought he'd be a perennial 90-100-point player...but man, at 26? He just hasn't gotten to that level...and it's looking more and more like he never will...DESPITE being paid like he's at that level...The guy is getting PANARIN money and if Artemi was a couple years younger? I'm not even sure if I'd trade them for one another straight up. Every time I watch the Canucks play, I see a guy who shows flashes of being a franchise player...and then he vanishes into the woodwork. So if it's between getting a haul akin to what the Avalanche just got for RANTANEN...or even HALF that...or getting Fil CHYTIL, LINDGREN...AND have to eat salary or pay more...I think I'd dive right into trading the younger player.

td: and their own 3rd rounder at that. The Hawks blew this deal. The 3rd for taking the 50% the rest of this season…yeah. That’s fair. Even if it’s their own it’s still valuable. But Hall was basically a throw in for free at that point. It makes absolutely zero sense to me. No matter what else happens.

From Seravalli on Twitter “And… not sure how to process yet, but impeccable source said that this Rantanen deal was not the biggest thing on the table in the last 48 hours”

Man, Carolina just emptied their wallets...NECAS, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 6th and DRURY for RANTANEN and HALL...both UFAs. And there's no way they can afford RANT if he's looking for $14 million...which is a MASSIVE overpay for that guy. Great player. Worth PANARIN money, sure...but dude...that's outta control. The fact they did this deal less than a year after pissing away a bunch on GUENTZEL...I hate to agree with Wild on this one...but DRURY isn't looking that bad any more.

Cnparda - Welp, not quite. They were loaded with centers...KOTKANIEMI is a center. STAAL, who won't be around long, but is still playing significant minutes. ROSLOVIC is a natural center too. And Tyson JOST, who is more or less a scrub now, is also a natural center. Seth JARVIS also came into the league as a center. So the move of two centers for two wings isn't that surprising...but rather to move two young centers for two older wings...one very injury prone and the other who has been a MacKINNON merchant(albeit a talented one)...well...just a bit surprising. They needed a guy like MILLER...they could've moved him to wing...and from what the rumors were, they could've gotten him A LOT cheaper...This deal just makes no sense for them...the Avs, OTOH...man, it makes A LOT of sense. The Avs just got A LOT deeper and better. And I think they'll have a much easier time replacing what RANTANEN brought than the Canes will have in replacing NECAS.

Also just saw Miko will be asking for 14 mil per year, up from his current 9.5 mil. 14x 8 is a lot of commitment.

Not an expert on Carolina’s team but they just lost 2 centers from the starting lineup- assume a center is coming at some point?

Wildcard - Still need to see how this shakes out...Supposedly Seth JONES was also held out for trade purposes, and he's been rumored to be on the block too...so there might be another shoe to drop...but yeah...if they divested HALL and took half RANTANEN'S salary and only got a third rounder? That's pure stupidity.

Weekend just posted a picture of Pittsburgh with the ball emoji…things are happening in the NHL

And once again, the key to the JT Miller trade is….JT Miller. Are the Canucks gonna trade a 26-year old who got 102 points as a 24-year old to appease a 32-year old? They’re gonna think that somehow their team will get better this way, that JT Miller will be content and the team mates who like Pettersson aren’t gonna resent Miller? That’s the chance they’re gonna take?

WOW All the Hawks got in return for Hall and 50% of Rantannans cap is their own 3rd rounder back. Folks think Drury is bad at asset management?

So it's not KOCKINME. It's Mini-DRURY going to Colorado with NECAS. RANTANEN and HALL to the Canes. Hawks get a third rounder to retain RANTANEN's salary...half of it...I really...REALLY don't get this deal for the Canes. Not even a little bit.

So, the CANUCKS have leaked that they are again considering moving Elias Pettersson. This is in response to them being unhappy with the offers for JT Miller(and currently only having one bidder). It sucks for Pettersson because he very publicly stated that he wants to stay in Vancouver and the team seemed resigned to keep him. Let's throw that out the window because he is the latest pawn.... The NYR's should leak to the NY Post that they're looking at another center.

tdchi- lol - (high fives DREW). - as far as possibly getting JT Miller - Drury needs to establish himself as a GM here. It’s ok to walk away from this trade. If picks are going - I love td’s idea of Tom Willander. Although he’s a recent 1st rounder for Vancouver.

So far what we know: To CAR: Mikko Rantanen and Taylor Hall To COL: Martin Necas and Jesperi Kotkaniemi To CHI: Their own 2025 3rd round pick and retention on Rantanen’s contract

Rantanen would have looked good in a Blueshirt. Now……..is Crosby going to,end up in Colorado?

Rantanen and Hall traded to Carolina. Wow. Still not sure who,Chicago,and Colorado,get back. Necas has to,be part of it.

Looks like the Miller trade talks got other teams talking about the higher end guys they wanted to move. Have to imagine Drury was on the phone with the AVS about this…this is probably more to do with other trades not happening than Miller causing that or a deal falling through last minute.

BREAKING: Sources tell @DailyFaceoff that #GoAvsGo are in the process of trading Mikko Rantanen to #Canes. Sounds like this is a complex three-way deal and I believe Taylor Hall is also involved in the deal going to Carolina from Chicago

Onto MILLER. I'm not sure what else needs to be said. Him coming here is all about what it's going to take...The last time the Rangers had a deal like this on the table...lined up with a laser site...handed to them like a fucking layup on an empty ball court...they traded away their captain and two first rounders for the player...the Canucks can't give away MILLER because...well...because. They've got no one to replace his productivity or his presence. And as fractured as 'the room' may be now, it's not locker rooms that win games. It's points. And no one in their lineup seems to be scoring many of them outside of him. They don't have much in the system. They've got a few promising young players, but no one ready to step into a top-six role...But who knows. At any rate, I don't doubt the Rangers have pole position here...but I'm really wondering...outside of CHYTIL...how they play this...and it's not just what they send back for him...it's how they play him. Where do they play him. What is his role...I disagree with this idea that the dude is gonna come here and suddenly start brawling with established vets...AND former teammates like KREIDER and ZIBANEJAD. Just not how shit typically works...especially not for a guy leaving a fractious situation in Vancouver...I think he'd fit in nicely just given the familiar faces he'd have around him...my bigger issue comes with his role. The 2022-23 Rangers looked great on paper with TARASENKO and KANE...but both struggled like hell to find their footing on a team that was already well-established. Hard to bring in star players two-thirds through the season...even if they are familiar with the organization. We'll see what happens...but I'm still somewhat skeptical of the Rangers landing MILLER...and if they do? I have a feeling it'll be a deal that even I won't like.

DONATO I've always liked. Good player. Solid. He was a guy who everyone thought would be a very solid top-six player. His stock went through the roof when he played in the Olympics and his first few appearances with the Bruins. But he fell into the doghouse there...and then with the Wild...and then again in San Jose...sorta got a rep for being entitled...But he reinvented himself with the Kraken. Shed the 'future star-now-a-bust' image and just played his game: Tough, two-way defensively sound. Swiss Army knife-type. And he's been solid with a mess of a Hawks team too. Probably could be had for a fourth rounder or something minimal...but the place he'd work best is already occupied by Sam CARRICK, who, in an exceedingly rare moment of Wall agreement, we all kind of like now. I guess if CHYTIL is moved and the idea is to slide MILLER to the wing...you could land him and deploy a third line of SMITTY-DONATO-KREIDER...I'd rather FREDERIC centering said line...and more likely, I'd just rather not have CHYTIL traded to begin with...but he WOULD fit the bill there a lot better than Fil. And is more of what I suspect DRURY is looking for on this team...but that said? If the team IS looking to the middle and toward improving it, the guys I'd go out and grab are Luke KUNIN and Nico STURM. Shit, get both and put them on with CUYLLE. That would be a wrecking ball of a line.

So the NJD's, who have denied ever having serious interest in JT Miller(they had interest in Petterson), have said that they're officially out of the hunt(that they were never in). Sucks to be the Canucks GM.

FREDERIC, if he's available cheap, would be a GREAT add for cheap, and/or if you can resign him. But the Rangers are out of forward spots unless they decide to move KREIDER or SMITTY Jr. And that's before considering the likelihood they land MILLER. I can't imagine Boston is goin to just flip him for futures. Or at all, for that matter. They're in playoff position right now, and he's the type of player any team...especially THEIR team would want for a run. They won't come out of the Atlantic without someone like him. I just don't see it happening.

re: TURD...That...is...HILARIOUS. Couldn't have wished for anything more. How does the saying go? Necessity is the mother of invention? Well in this case, it's desperation is the mother of doing stupid shit...DOBSON is out. The Islanders' D is a mess. The Islanders are a mess. They can't score. They can't defend. They can't win. They're the only team in the East that has been more consistently a mess...and a WORSE mess...than the Rangers...DeA will go there, pile up a bunch of points, play no defense and probably get himself a long-term contract and then become a gigantic mess. I can't wait! High-fives DREW!

CNP - if the Rangers did't have CARRICK and Laviolette doesn't play the Twin Towers, then FREDERIC would be a great fit..Right now the issue is 2nd-3rd line size that can play..which is an even bigger need if ZFLOAT and KRIEDS continue to struggle

A lot of noise out there today on Miller from all the bloggers and "insiders" trying to beat each other..Todays "scoops" has The Canes making a push for MILLER and MILLER following real estate agents, builders and Canes players on Instagram...Now there is no way in hell any of that could be made up..Somebody please end this..

I was thinking it would be the Canes again. Guess they can always trade for him at the deadline.... again.... https://nyihockeynow.com/new-york-islanders-tony-deangelo-nhl-news/#google_vignette

Not that there is room but other guys who make sense for the Rangers since we will clearly be going for it. Ryan Donato Center, Chicago Blackhawks Age: 28 Stats: 45 GP, 14 G, 13 A, 27 Pts Contract: Pending UFA, $2 million AAV Scoop: Donato has been a model of consistency in Chicago. He’s been impactful and competitive and someone both coaching staffs in Chicago have relied upon in the midst of a career year. Donato is also relatively inexpensive and could be a quality under-the-radar addition. Trent Frederic Center, Boston Bruins Age: 26 Stats: 48 GP, 7 G, 7 A, 14 Pts Contract: Pending UFA, $2.3 million AAV Scoop: Frederic is a guy who has drawn lots of interest from around the league. He’s a pain in the ass to play against. He competes. And he scores – 18 goals last season, 17 the year prior. Frederic is the perfect bottom-six forward and the Bruins have proven they can mine those guys better than any other team.

its amazing to see the loyalty this team has when fans travel all over the US. I have been to Boston, Washington, Montreal, Vegas , NJ(LOL) i hate the garden anyway rather go to prudential. and Quebec....Pretty crazy us fans are for a team with mostly horrific ownership except when bob Gutkowski was at the helm. His book was a great read . He pinned the issues with keenan more on neil smith than keenan. He was ready to fire smith . who would have thunk it.

For DREW and TDCHI ---New York Islanders @NYIslanders #Isles News: The New York Islanders have signed defenseman Tony DeAngelo to a one-year contract for the remainder of the 2024-25 season

And that was meant in jest!....Now, get Off My Lawn!..We need this JT saga to end! A live of it's own just like the KANE soap opera..Unfortunately, we know how that ended for the Rangers!!!

'Ready to Move on From the Canucks' - Multiple Reports Confirm Forward J.T. Miller Wants Out of Vancouver.... https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/ready_to_move_on_from_the_canucks_multiple_reports_confirm_forward_jt_miller_wants_out_of_vancouver/s1_17459_41633364

If Kreider is hurt to the point where he's this ineffective it's utterly ridiculous that he's not on the IR. I like to believe the Rangers are smarter than that, especially given they can use Vesey instead. I think he's in a funk - not sulking, but having struggles mentally to play like he did (and still can I assume). And that, I believe, is an extension of the Z stuff. Specifically, he's missing playing with his buddy. But there's a reason they've been split up - together they had become a liability, but I say that's more to due with Z's decline. In their height, Z drove the line with K being a great side kick - their chemistry was undeniable and very effective - that bond was so inclusive, almost anyone put on the right side didn't accomplish much offensively. Better a forward more inclined to play the 2 way game, which obviously is why Dreary overpaid to get Smith. The problem is that Z can no longer drive a line - his struggles in that regard (as I keep repeating) started in December 2023 and have steadily grown worse. Kreider of course was dragged and as we know it reached the point where they can (should) not be a twosome. Kreider needs to find a way to get over that mental hump. Hell, he started the year solidly – not for a second do I believe he lost it in a few months. The question is what will it take to get things to click for him again? Playing alongside Chytil is very different vs Z – Z looks to pass; Chytil looks to shoot but often that’s after some dipsy-doodling vs more straight line stuff Z prefers (to gain the zone). Kreider needs to adjust to Chytil’s style. But can/will he? It might take a trade to wake him up…

VCP - I have been a fan of the team for 60 years, If I was going to do something drastic, I would have done it years ago! As Cubs fans used to say, There's always next year

Hospo i just dont want you to do anything drastic when they get knocked out in round 1 if they get in. As constructed that is . If changes are made to the roster then who knows.

In regard to the CAP: We can fit in Miller under the cap without needing to make another deal.... We'd be reportedly sending back Chytil the other way. This season we are fine, we'd only add $3.6 mil to the annual cap and still have space to add more. Next season, Smith and Lindgren's deals expire(if they don't get traded first at this deadline) and the cap goes up between $5-9 Million next season. That's including Igor and Lafreniere's new deals and a new deal for K'Andre. The following season, Panarin's deal expires.

I honestly have less issues with Kreider than most here. I cannot believe he is not putting in the effort. People have always accused him of floating because of his skill set…….on Mika…….it seems his hands have left him. He constantly fumbles the puck, misses on his shots, passes the puck when he should shoot the puck. I have to believe the issues are mental with him. Ever since he became a father it seems……his game has cratered. He has zero confidence.

"I just got couple punches from Tkachuk,” Shesterkin said. “To be honest, this was hit on me. Not really enjoy that, because I was between the pipe and him. I didn't want to jump there, but I saw he get on a fight between our guy(Schneider) and their guy, so I just tried to hold him, but he wanted to fight. It's tough for me because I cannot drop my gloves. If I do that, I will go to locker room." ..... https://www.yahoo.com/sports/igor-shesterkin-explains-sparked-messy-184117158.html

In regard to a possible Miller trade: It's less about Vancouver not wanting Z, it's more that they wanted to take the least amount of salary back as possible, while still having a body to replace Miller. That's another reason why the other teams that are interested don't really fit VAN either. The Hurricanes for example, would need the Canucks to take back an equal amount of payroll.

In Rangerland, the two big issues are , obviously, KREIDER and ZBAD, which totally effect the 2nd and 3rd lines which, even though winning, can be improved.....Trying to be objective on one player I like (Kreider) and one I don't (ZBAD)....When was the last time we saw Kreider streaking down the ice and missign a breakaway..it used to happen every game..Purely an offensive zone body/player right now..nothing else..Something is sapping his speed/strength and I don't think it's his mind........Simlarly, ZBAD shows little speed and spunk most of the time...His game, now, seems to be cruising and finding spots, not generating offense...Why? I don't know. I can't see it being a physical decline...and i don't think he is person/player that would like to let down his friends and teammates....but he is...Why? Gotta be a mental or emotional funk...Does he just not want to play the game anymore?...rahter be doing something else...home with his family? These things happen to a lot of people

rf4l: Agree, but if Z is in decline his $8M hit is still crippling. Would we not be better (esp at the deadline when teams overpay) eating a bit of his salary now for a young 3C? Also, in the short term it may still free up Chytil and Lindgren trades to bolster our longer term 3C situation....

JFC - Exactly, but VANCOUVER is spiraling, losing 10 out of 12, and the internal situation seems to be getting worse and worse...THye could wait and wait but very foolish to..If the Rangers are offering CHYTL, a prospect and a Pick,,,the CANUCKS should jump at it even if a little money is thrown in....But it would be nicer if they took ZBAD..............

Ranger47: In theory it certainly does but like JTM in Vancouver, Z holds all the cards due to the NMC that dumbass Dreary gave him. The big difference between the 2 situations is Miller can still play but 1) is restricting the Canucks on trading partners and 2) is a recognized potential dressing room issue while Z's abilities have declined and keep declining. Who on earth would take on Z's contract? He's making $8,500,000 and will for another FIVE years after this season. Yes, a change of scenery might result in an uptick in his offensive output but for how long? That's quite a gamble for any GM acquiring him. IMO, to move him (assuming you get him to agree to waive his NMC) the Rangers have to be prepared to eat at least 1/3 of his salary. Even then it might not be viable. He's really screwing the Rangers with his lousy play.

As CM just said, I know the team is flawed but.....Well, playing the way as is and playing the way they are NOW, and looking arounf the rest of the East, there's only 2 teams I see that I wouldn't give them a chance in a PO series (and even that might be a stretch)..you bring in a JT Miller and a D-man at the deadline..even that narrative change...You know me, always trying to find a way to win NOW.

Doesn't adding a top C in JT Miller make a Z trade more viable (and perhaps encourage him to wave his NTC)?

Serevali reporting that both Canucks and JT Miller have reached the end of their rope and want this to end. The worst possible scenario for Canucks has been realized. JT Miller has complete control over where he goes. If he only wants to go to Rangers, all they can do is bluff. Rangers are on a winning streak so they have no pressure to cave on Canucks demands, they can just wait. Reports are that Drury wants MORE from Canucks than what they are offering and wants a “sweetener” such as salary retention. And let’s face it and not be naive, if Miller only wants to come to the Rangers and Miller simply wants this to end, you gotta believe that his agent told Drury that’s the situation. And if so, Drury can just wait without fear of losing out on Miller. The only Canucks “leverage” would be to refuse to trade him…

I know this team is flawed, but dang I would have thought we got routed last night by perusing the wall! A couple of things: The Stanley Cup is a goal of the fans. Yes, every team would love to wina cup, but it is a business and if a team is winning, that leads to making the playoffs, which leads to salary free gate which leads to selling concessions and merch, it's a business first and foremost. We can romanticize it all we want, but that's the reality. Drury has as much job security as any GM in the league with his team's results and unless that changes significantly he's not in any danger of being fired (Which may be why some are hoping for the Rangers to falter!). This team has a good chance of making the playoffs and Drury has cap room for THIS season. He will spend it. There will be rentals. I am highly skeptical that they would be sellers. BETTMAN- Bettman serves at the pleasure of the owners. They loved Bettman. They will hire another Bettman. We will hate him or her with a passion. The commissioner is not for the fans.

I think it's safe to assume the issues between those 2 won't occur this year but given how much time is left on their contracts, it's surely only a matter of time. But I suppose Dreary may be fine kicking that possibility down the road, hoping the addition of JTM is enough to put the team over the hump. I don't believe that'll be the case FWIW. I think adding JTM without subtracting will create cap issues, not to mention too many forwards in their 30s taking up valuable top 6 spots. Where would JTM fit and who gets bumped down/to the pressbox?

And putting JTM in the same dressing room as Z is akin to deciding to make shepherd's pie with a layer of fruit!

Rhet: Woohoo!!! Bring in a commissioner who puts more emphasis on the quality of the product vs dinosaur Buttplug.

HOSPO: I think what gets missed is that Borgen has been a stabilizing force for Miller. It lets Miller pinch into the area between the circles where he seems to like to shoot and peel off. He’s playing with confidence because he’s able to be more instinctual with Borgen. And now he’s looking more and more confidence. His game solidified. FWIW I also have seen Trouba play in Anaheim and he looks very settled with a rookie offensive defenseman where his job is to steady the pairing allowing his partner to roam. Sometimes it’s about the right guy. By having to cover for his partner it’s made Trouba play more within his envelope and it’s serves him well. Makes me wonder if Urho is the best solution for Schneider long term. But the Rangers defense looks so good right now.

Good news: "The Athletic: Kudos to Mike Russo for getting this scoop. Gary Bettman told the NHL exec committee to start planning for his retirement. It’s a bombshell, for sure."

You guys are literally describing a splintered locker room(best case scenario). I guess he'd be the right man for the job.

Simple. Z needs to go. Trade him and Krieder as a package for a good D man. Together Z may agree to waive his TMC. Man, Drury hates working, though.

I honestly don't see how JTM and Z can coexist on the same team without friction.

shonuff - I must admit that I got the Diesel / Razor Ramon reference. Fake Diesel was Glenn Jacobs who eventually became Kane. And of course we already have The Unpredictable Johnny Brodz.

From the Providence- So, really, all eyes should remain focused on the Rangers. That deal seems to be the closest to becoming a reality. It would seem that the holdup remains how the deal would be structured. To move Miller, the Canucks are going to have to attach some sort of sweetener, whether that’s salary retention (which you suspect the Canucks are wont to do) or adding a prospect, of which the Canucks don’t have many and the few good ones they have they don’t want to deal. And so we wait. All of us. Those of us on the outside, obviously, but also the people inside the Canucks, in the dressing room, who do look like they’re waiting for the other shoe to drop. And they’ve been waiting a while now.

An epiphany…..“I think we’ve done a really good job at focusing on our end first and protecting our goalies,” said Braden Schneider, who was the first of three Rangers defensemen to score Thursday night. “If we’re making their job easy, we can score. We have the skill to score and we’ve done a good job of trying to eliminate those big chances and I think it’s been working. Good defense always leads to good offense, so if we’re playing good D, then it’s creating for us on the other end, too……. No kidding….

shonuff….On TV Kreider looked just as bad…One shift in second period his line was pinned down and he did absolutely nothing to help the situation….Left his line shorthanded just standing there watching…If I was Laviolette I would have sat him for the rest of the game…I would sit him Sunday and get Vesey back in…If he is injured he shouldn’t be playing as he is hurting the team…

Went to the game tonight left a little early. I will say watching Z and Kreider live at this point you would think ( will use a WWF term here ) Diesel and Razor Ramon left so the Rangers bought in fake ones. Z passes when he should shoot and shoots when he should pass .His one timers are strikes at this point he misses . Kreider does absolutely nothing if he is not tipping shots in . Flyers had a lot of shots but what I see live a lot of them were not that good . Can see more on TV obviously . On Rempe thought his line looked pretty good and it is surreal watching him chase a puck live . Every single flyer knows where he is . He is also pulling up too much though . It’s great he has adjusted his game but he could have crushed a flyer at one point and didn’t . Some useless info here based on crowd tonight . Ready to turn on Z - Laff generates no buzz with his game - crowd liked Chytil and K Miller’s game tonight .

PJ maybe you are right about that...I'm not sure..Just trying to be optimistic!!.....if MILLER and all his baggage cost a #1 plus a hell of a lot more.....Maybe? Just hoping GMs around see ZFLOAT in a better light than me!

Be careful when praising Borgen….It gets people angry….That said he and Miller are becoming a solid pairing…

Hospo…You don’t really believe Z would fetch a #1 pick?….You would have add a pick for someone to take that salary at this point…

And if they get that #1 back in the likely trade of ZBAD?..IIIFFFFFFF they make a move for MILLER it won't be the end of remodeling the team

I also don't think MILLER is getting enough credit for Turning his own game around..Borgen or no Borgen...His skating, recovery is amazing at times..ANd he has been phyiocally strong too

Canucks now down 5-0...HOSPODAMUS Cracked crystal Bll says JT MILLER will be in MSG Tuesday Night...

VCP - To each their own, unless i know the Rangers are tanking for sure, I want the mto win and win in the POs..You can root for them to loose if you like

Wow….Reading here you would think we lost 6-1….Slow start early but a good first period…Miserable second defensively…Strong third period to end it big….Again we played a team that was hot coming in…5-0-1 …Ottawa was on a streak as well…So to say we beat two shit teams battling for a playoff spot is just hating…As I believe andrei indicated we are now getting offense from our D which was not happening…Miller has been abysmal offensively and appears to be coming around along with Fox…

Hospo we both know as constructed we are if we get in first round and out.. I simply don't believe in this team as a contender no way in hell.... making the playoffs possible and fairly likely but what's the point. Tank and get a pick

Cnparda. The answer is NO WAY. Can we make the playoffs sure. This team is not only not a playoff team but it's really a Panarin injury away from not even making the playoffs...The D is still shaky , playing better yes but still not formidable for playoffs.. never judge a regular season as a playoff season. " Mike Keenan" he was a bit nuts but he is right.

Has Z'Bad and Kreider been split up the last approx 120 games (3 weeks) at 'even strength?' t/y

And Borgen has given Miller the defensive partner he needed to make him comfortable with more offense…

BU player that Drury may be trying to pry away from VAN for taking on Miller's contract w no salary retention? Tom Willander, RHD, 19 (Boston University) One of the better-skating D prospects in hockey, Willander was a beast for the Swedish under-18 team and Rogle’s junior team in his draft year and drove strong two-way results for the Terriers as a freshman and for the Swedish under-20 team last season without necessarily taking a pronounced step (his post-draft season was just OK). This season, he has played big minutes as a sophomore at BU and was impactful as Sweden’s go-to D on their shutdown pair (and also sharing the blue line on the power play with Axel Sandin Pellikka). He’s a strong-in-all-three-zones defenseman who plays a confident and decisive defensive game that uses his beautiful, balanced skating to swallow up opposing carriers and then push forward or fall back onto his heels and outlet the puck. He pulls away or retreats from pressure with ease, and excels on exits and going back to get pucks. His head is always up. He gets his shots through. And then, on top of the pro frame, the skating and the general athleticism, he also just plays the game with an intentionality that’s rare in players his age. He looks and operates like a pro out there. His passes are quick and firm. He activates when he can and picks his spots. Defensively, he’s aggressive on pinches and closing gaps, and rarely mistimes them, taking away the space so well in neutral ice. He made some mistakes that showed his youth at times as a freshman but he has looked back to his polished self this season. Willander doesn’t have dynamic skill or creativity on the puck, and his offensive-zone instincts are still coming, but he projects safely as an NHL defenseman and could become a two-way transition monster in a top-four role. Because of how high a level he defends and skates at, he rarely has bad games and play normally tilts in his team’s favor. And even though the offense doesn’t always pop inside the offensive zone, he’s a comfortable puck mover and transporter. He’s going to have a long career as a No. 3-4.

Does Drury get any credit for Will Borgen? This guy is a beast…really strong. One of his abilities is putting guys down on the ice with big up-high push with ONE ARM! This guy is strong!

JFC - I think he's already the 3rd C!! But i hear what you are saying...CUYLLE with MILLER would be pretty neat

VCP winning is good for winning and getting better..SHoot me, I love and want my team playing PO hockey!

If we get JT and Chytil goes the other way, Zibanejad becomes a 3rd line center…but he’ll be happy to be back with his bromance brother.

CNP - One can hope...There's always the chance..especially if they bring in a top forward( like MIller) and another D by the Deadline

Now we can trade Igor and fox and get a boatload..... winning is good for trading....

BTW, the CANUCKS are a mess right now..Down 3-0 after 1..MILLER has to go somewhere soon

Crazy that NJ and Carolina are within reach of the Rangers. Could this team make a serious run given the flaws we all see? Having the best goalie sure helps. To me JT makes some sense as he and TROCHECK would form a great 1-2 punch, however given the defensive flaws this team has a guy like Ryan O’ REILLY also makes sense if your going for it. In fact surprised the CANES haven’t already targeted him.

Was good watching CHYTL play tonight with force and going to dirty areas...If he cn only stay healthy....OTOH, every night it pains me so much to have to watch CUYLLE "play" with ZSOFT..The Rangers most physical player with their softest just doesn't make sense to me..and their total lack of production is evidence....yet, a few of the other lies are doing well...so....

Well so far this year Zbad has earned $170,000 per point and wait for it….$547,777 per goal! Money well spent

BTW, The HOSPODAMUS Cracked Crystal ball is not that cracked after all!!!...From 2 weeks ago.."OH and Colorado as always a tough game...but they are undermanned...so Rangers have a chance..likely a loss..but..IFFFFF the Rangers win tonight .The Hospodamus Cracked Crystal Ball says the Rangers, just like the Wings did with a new start, will win 8 straight going back to NJ!!!.....OK, it was an OT loss in Col and MTL..but still..:)

Z’s game is coming around…just wait…...just wait………just wait………..just

So may goals lately, obviously nice to see, but zippo from the Bro-mance babies.

Not a great game at all after the first, forwards struggling at ES. lot of bitching, yet they win 6-1!! Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Well, a win is a win but didn't think Rangers were much better than Flyers except for goaltending. Take the 2 points and beat up on the next awful team playing for the wild card spot!

MC = Hate to sy it, but yes...ZSOFT has morphed into asoft, non-phyicall 3rf line defensive center at ES..KInda likek Alex Weinerberg from last year

Even Andre can't defend that penalty against his favorite Bread Man, the Flyers were dead on their feet, looking for a change and P hooks a tired guy at their blue line! Dumb Dum Dumb, oh ya, he is playing injured!

Hospo, were u serious? Z-puke has 1 hit and 1 even strength point in last 10 games?

K and Z-crap are our worst players and have been all friggin year! Yet, Lard-Ass can't or wont see that!

It is the little things.. Kaliev won the board scrum to allow the possibility of that 4th goal .. good job, even though he does not get an assist.. some of us notice those things

JFC, hope the little cup-cake Miller is feeling secure! Have to admit he is playing way better the last few weeks but still don't believe he has much hockey sense, as they say, increasing his trade value! If he keeps trending this way over the next few weeks, I would be happy to change my opinion though!

Flyers have owned the game since the first period. Bid edge for Rangwrs between the pipes. Igor is Igor tonight.

Was watching the Rangers feed but could not handle another second of Senile Sam and Jerk-off Joe, now watching the Flyers feed, a little better but not much! Man, does Z-minus-shit ever suck, his bum-buddy Kreider is a bit better but if there was some way to include them both in a trade, I don't care who comes back, even if they are all bums, at least we could move the young guys up for more ice time, then bring up Oth and Berard and maybe Perrault when college season over....How could this team not be better?

Man, K’Andre Miller is playing well…loaded with confidence. I think he feels secure with Borgen as his partner…

Rangers got careless and way too much stick handling with the puck led to much of the Flyers chances.

Sorry, but just so sick of watching Zbad with that Planet of the Apes hair floating around at the end of periods for his ‘great defensive’ play - usually nowhere near and opponent.

Not playin smart.. back to perimeter pass pass pass.. then turn it over and end up having to defend and stuck out 2 long... get back to directing pucks to the net and PU the garbage..You are the 2nd best FO team in the league an ozone FO is a GOOD THING Flyers outworking us by the end of the period..

JFC31, I don't know about Kreider. Is it his back that limits his play, or he really lost a step, like overnight? Being say this about ZShit, to me it is mental with him. Like his mind is not in a game. For a player, it's a like a death sentence.

Not a good period by the entire team..need to pull it together in the 3rd and not count on IGOR

It’s like Z & Kreider suddenly got old. They don’t look horrible but it’s like watching a parent or grandparent age and they can’t do little things that they used to be able to do. Right now, Zibanejad is more sizzle but still no steak. He has chances that he just does nothing with…same with Kreider.

Man, ZShit with another terrible shift, almost singlehandedly tried to help Flyers to score..

Will say it again, Borgen have had a very positive influence on Miller. The way Miller have played lately is precisely why trading him will be a mistake. It is clear that Miller needs a specific defensive partner to be very effective.

I LOVE Cuylle and Smith plays a solid game but , man, that ZBAD line is impotent for some reason..

Miller been playing real, real well for the last 10 games.......Way too many messy scrums around IGOR these past few games! Gotta keep him healthy!!

Sweet play by Panerin, excellent pass to Borgen and even better pass to Miller, followed by Miller's excellent shot!!

Not excusing him because at this point in his career he needs to be more assertive but I believe Laf keeps deferring to Panarina. That's why I think he needs to be moved away from P.

rf4l, Lafr play is puzzling. If anything, i would move up Kaliev and have him taking shots at free-wheel since all P &T all they do is skate around looking for a shooter. Same with PP1. I would take ZSHit out and replace him with Kaliev as well.

And Smith goes to the net which might help reduce the east west shit P and Laf try so often.

Big difference offensively? Lots of Rangers in front. Not on the Trocheck line tho. I think Smith should be swapped with Laf. Z between Laf and Cuylle might be a very effective line.

Best line the 4th line. Rough period for ZShit, who is struggling to even complete a pass. Good to see Rangers defense jumping into the play. Have not seen it in awhile. Good sign. Shesti looked sharp. Flers consistently taking Rangers player out without a call. Counted at least 5 times, when feet were chopped, but no call. One thing though, Rangers needs to be very careful not to get cough again, like they did on the 1st goal. Flyers are a fast transitioning team. Up by a goal, no need to force it.

Z skating well but keeps nullifying what looks like good scoring chances with too many moves and flubbed shots.

Also was thinking same thing about Chytil, but there he was, leading the rush. Will see if he out for the 2nd period.

They came out sluggish and paid for it! It was obvious they weren’t “up” Tom start the game….you could see it in the 1st line change…skating sluggishly, changed sloooow,y

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/jt-miller-trade-speculation

Wild - you must be an engineer dude. You can’t quantify everything. A coaches tone, instruction, the team culture (the room)….these are all examples of qualitative components that make up an organization. I my instinctual senses clearly tell me KK got a raw deal here. Never got any consistent top PP1 time at all u less there was brief injury or PP was slumping. How do you suggest he is off to such a wonderful start with Seattl and is almost a PPG player since joining that squad? Is that an aberration?? Look at Laff who still doesn’t get consistent PP1 time. You’re good with the stats. Can you tell me the last #1 pick that came into the league that still wasn’t getting any consistent run time on the 1st PP unit 4/5 years after their draft year? I’d love to know the answer to that. This organization is fundamentally flawed when it comes to developing prospects, namely top end forwards. Like TD said, lightning doesn’t strike the same spot twice.

Kakko played 70% of the ice time he had in the first 40 Games of the season a couple seasons ago back with Zib, Kreider, Strome and Panarin. This was the season Kreider had 50+ goals…when he got injured that year they had 30,31,39, and 42 points. Kakko had 16. Let’s not pretend that he didn’t get a really good shot with the top 6 that year. Another season he played nearly 50% of his time in the top 6. We need to stop trying to rewrite history. He had chances. He failed to take them and run with them. By the way. In those seasons Laf had less ice time and less with top 6 players. Yet Laf grabbed while of his opportunities. Cuylle has had MUCH less ice time with top players and he has already surpassed what Kakko brought to the ice. So again. Stop spinning to find blame. It’s easy to find who to blame. That’s Kakko.

The Canes, to me, seem like the most logical place for MILLER. They could use a player with his edge. If it's KOTKANIEMI and ROSLOVIC? That probably gets them in the realm of the cap space they need. Seems like a wash for a player like MILLER, so I imagine there's a top pick or a good prospect like MORROW or BLAKE thrown in there too...The Devils? Only way I see it happening is if the Canucks take back PALAT. And that would probably cost them NEMEC+ considering how terrible that contract is. And he's got an NMC...Or maybe they move PESCE? Definitely would take them some cap gymnastics.

TD: I got you. I hear you. KAKKO is history and again, I haven’t been impressed with the team in terms of its totality in terms of development. But I’ll let my thoughts lay where they are. Look, the defense being better isn’t just about BORGEN or VAAKANAINEN on their own it’s about how they fit into the bigger picture. BORGEN brings that tough, reliable presence, while VAAKANAINEN adds some much-needed mobility. It’s not just about plugging in new guys more than it’s about how the whole unit is working together now. Coaching adjustments, better structure, and guys buying into their roles all play a part. Saying the defense is better with them isn’t some stretch it’s just recognizing that they bring what the team was missing and help everything click. Let me also point out that the Rangers seem to be a more confident and whatever I think with Rempe around the neighborhood. His presence matters. And that 4th line with Carrick has turned into a weapon.

Ya'll know my take on MILLER as a player and as an acquisition. I think he'd be a great addition to the team...but...I just don't see a world where you can have MILLER and ZIBANEJAD on the same roster. Too much cap for too long. Even if they knock a few mil off MILLER, it's still too much. And you're just loading the top six up with guys in their 30s. My thinking was Z for MILLER? Good. Z-plus...say...JONES for MILLER and...say...a fifth rounder? OK. Z-plus a viable prospect for MILLER and cap space? We're getting into the realm of bad. MILLER for CHYTIL and LINDGREN AND a prospect? Same realm of bad, only a little worse.

Did anyone read that there was one guy that didn't make one of the 4 Nations rosters and he was so nasty about it that they banned him from the tournament for life. Anyone want to speculate who it was? My first thought was a defenseman, because the NHL has so many talented D's these days and I can imagine that a few good ones got left off. Just a guess, but I also think it's a NA player.

E - I mean, if we're going to say the defense is better with BORGEN...then you also have to say the defense is better with VAAKANAINEN. While I won't say these guys aren't part of the improved defense, I think it's real specious reasoning to suggest it is a direct result. They're playing better D for a number of different reasons...again...if that's what you're hanging the trade on, you're really spit-shining a turd...And yeah, the NHL isn't a developmental league...but the AHL is...and KAKKO could have played in the AHL at any point in his career with the Rangers...PERSONALLY...I wouldn't have demoted him there, because I didn't and never have seen holes in his game. The guy has always looked to me like a very complete player...maybe even moreso than LAFRENIERE...never had issues with his defense. Always carried the puck well. Came into the league with good size...What the team needed to do with him is feed him minutes and let him keep doing what he was already doing Liiga, which was pot goals. What they did, instead, was break him down and shatter his confidence.

According to the Patrick Johnston of the Province, it's between the NYR's, the NYR's and the NYR's for JT Miller. He says the Canes have kicked the tires, but they haven't shown anywhere near the NYR's level of interest. He even goes so far as to say that none of the Canes, NJD's or Stars are really even an option. I can't imagine this piece will make the CANUCKS GM too happy. Fingers crossed that someone either saves us from ourselves or worst case, that the cost is not even worse than what has been reported.

VtRanger/NCRanger/NYStranger - Herein lay my anger and frustration. Watching KAKKO and LAFRENIERE in the WJCs, and then KAKKO in Traverse City...granted, these players still needed rounding...but they were VERY good. Top of their class. In both instances, top players among the u20s. LAFRENIERE looked like a man among boys...and KAKKO, despite being younger than his teammates, really looked like a future star. If you could go back to those two tourneys and ask the scouts there whether either of these players would be where they are right now, you'd get met with pure, unadulterated incredulity...laughs even...So how often does lightning strike twice in the same spot? Well, it doesn't...I got into an argument with some Sens' fans a few years back, and they were claiming LAFRENIERE is/was a bust...and that STUTZLE was such a clearly better player...well...no...The difference was that the Sens basically handed STUTZ a first-line position with PP1 minutes and they didn't care that with every goal he scored, there was a resulting goal against. They stood by that development approach for two seasons, and then he broke out...Nowadays, the dude's offense is to the extent that he naturally pushed teams back when he's on the ice. They let his talent shine. They let him tap his natural ability...what he was ALREADY doing well...instead of trying to beat defense into his skull...the Rangers did the EXACT OPPOSITE with KAKKO and LAFRENIERE...and instead of building confidence, they broke it down. And hey, you know what? I get that. In some cases, I even agree with that tactic: You let a kid slide and not give a crap about play in his own zone, it can backfire. But not with high-caliber players, IMO...I'll also say this: I sort of understand the Rangers' failed approach too, because the last time they had a forward even NEAR the caliber of those two guys was when they drafted KOVALEV. But man...you can learn from your mistakes. And they sort of did...to a lesser degree...with LAF...but KAKKO? Nope. They didn't bend. They just kept shoehorning that poor bastard into Jesper FAST mold.

If DD drury can unload Mr chypil before he gets permanently injured, and not overpay for miller that’s a win win . I doubt there are many gms who would want mr chypil with his history. Except if the price was free.

The Nyr insist on sometimes putting kids in the NHL without ever playing in the ahl. They don’t always have the patience to make sure that they develop kids and make sure that they think they’re ready for the NHL. And when they get to the NHL that they still need guidance and playing time. They just award playing time to veterans usually.

So mr JT miller whom will you choose . I rather stay in Vancouver personally over NYC or NC both better places to live over tri state area..also the canes building is much louder than the morgue of MSG...2 or 3 years of Miller I am unsure.

Stay away from Miller and fire Drury immediately. I’m rooting for a losing streak only to save this franchise from itself.

From Vancouver Press- "The Carolina Hurricanes and New York Rangers reportedly have permission to speak with Vancouver Canucks forward JT Miller". Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman released a short 32 Thoughts article late Wednesday night, which included the report of the teams mentioned above that are cleared to speak with Miller’s camp. He also notes that the Hurricanes are a team to watch as they are active and ready to pounce on any potential target of theirs. “The Hurricanes and Rangers are two of the teams with permission to talk to J.T. Miller. Believe the New York offer was Filip Chytil, a first-rounder and a prospect. I get very mixed messages on New Jersey. The Rangers have the cap room to do it, but the Devils would need to perform roster surgery to pull it off. Yes, they struggled until pounding Boston on Wednesday, but that’s a good team. I’m not convinced about Dallas, either. I always assume I’m missing something, though.”

Doesn’t add up does it VT??, lol. This organization is absolutely putrid at developing your top line talent. The results speak for themselves. We continaukky out these kids at ease and in positions to succeed and thrive. I remember seeing KK in Traverse city (granted that’s not the NHL I know) but the kid just dominated. It was obscene. He even showed early glimpses of that in NY upon arrival. But never got top unit PP time and measles minutes on the second (same for Lafffy). All three coaching hires never instilled any confidence in these kids. If they fuck up just once they get demoted. Laffy in his 4th year now I think and still doesn’t se consistent PP1 time. This does a lot of inherent damage to a kids development when they see that you lose trust and belief in them. It’s huge. Look how KK just described Seattle coaches talking to him. Management said right away he would be a top 6 player on their team and top PP minutes. Right away they started building him back up. Wouldn’t be surprised if he just takes off. He’s already off to a great start there. I’ve never been so kissed at a trade in recent memory. I swear if I saw Drury in a dark alley on a side street I would punch that smug arrogant look right off his fat little league face. Laffy is another they continue to break down. Continue to feed him PP1 time. Don’t put him down by bet front dumbasses. He’s not a Kreider (although he’s pretty good w/ redirections). Let him crest up top and give him the ability to create ala Panarin. He def defers too much and just needs to shoot more as well. That’s on him but prob on coaches too for not continually reinforcing it. If this team trades for Miller it will be an absolute recipe for disaster. I don’t think you could be that stupid to think that’s a good idea with fragile META’s like Z and Kreids here for the foreseeable future. This team should be losing competitive games and planning a retool, if not a rebuild. If we make it in, we get swept in 4. This is not a playoff built team by any stretch of the imagination. But hey….Jimmy Boy would get his gate. I’m about done with this team for awhile

Let's also recognize that Laffy isn't a model for prospect development. Yeah, he flashed his potential last season, but why is it that we have a 23 year-old former #1 overall who has 28 points in 47 games and is minus 12? We pick #2 and then #1 overall (both consensus picks that nearly every other team would have selected in those positions) in consecutive seasons and the #2 is now gone for essentially nothing and our #1 is still struggling to be consistently good. Must be both players' faults.

Dd drury wants meat and potatoes, he will get a zucchini stuck up his ass and he probably won’t mind. Dolan has handed him the rope until June if no playoffs. Next up more fiber from the fibber.

The Rangers have always been a veteran centric team and especially if the vets are big ufa signings. Only on rare occasions do young players get the benefit of big minutes and get relied on. It has been endemic for decades. Seems like lately more defensemen get the benefit of longer looks. The Kakko and Laffy situation IS very puzzling because as td pointed out they were rebuilding when those two arrived in NY. Just proves the Rangers can’t every do anything except in half measures which is why we have 1 cup in 85 years.

I am not fully disagreeing with you and I get your angle on why what happened with Kakko and yeah, Im with you all in disappointment but your oversimplyfying the situation with Kakko. It’s easy to say the Rangers “never gave him a chance,” but it’s not that black and white. The NHLisnt t a development leauge, players have to earn their minutes, and the Rangers were trying to balance developing young talent with staying competaive. Sure, Kakko’s getting more ice time in Seattle, but let’s not act like he was tearing it up when given oportunities in New York. He had his moments, but inconsitancy and injuries cant be overlooked.. Yeah, Lafreniere development took off with more minutes, but he also showed more offensive upside and consistensy when it mattered. You could just see that in ways that let you know that he has a lot more. Kakko, on the other hand, often looked hesitant and didn’t show that extra gear you need from a top pick. He was missing the “IT” factor. Whatever that is. He just would leave you wanting more. The Rangers couldn’t just keep waiting and hope he’d figure it out, especially when making the playoffs is never a sure thing. And about the “Smith Jr.” trade your making it sound like they handed the role to a random guy. They brought in a player they thought could help them win now, because when you’re fighting for a spot which they thought they’d be every decision matters. Could the Rangers of handled Kakko better? Probably. But acting like they totaly blew it and held him back is revisionist history. Not every young player develops in a strait line, and sometimes a fresh start is what’s needed. Look at Chytil, when he was healthy, he forced his way into the lineup. Kakko didnt. At some point the label of a #2 pick starts to get stale. Then youre just a player. In the case of his draft he wasnt the guy to pick at 2. Every draft it happens. My take on it is when youre in a rebuild and you get a 1-2 pick or even in the top-5 you have to hit. Otherwise what is the point? And about the trade, Borgen might not have Kakko’s celing, but he fills a critical role on a team that needed defensive depth. Sometimes, making a practical move is better than holding onto potential that mite never pan out. At the end of the day, it’s fair to question the Rangers’ development approach and we have all flexed our feelings on Drury (who I think is still in that GM window of 5 years) but let’s not pretend Kakko was some surefire superstar who just needed more minutes. Sometimes, things just dont work out. I hate that we saw the Rangers turn a 2 pick into a journeyman defenseman and pending free agent. But I’ll refer back to my reference that pretty much the defense is much tighter with Borgen now. So, what was that worth? Bigger question…

RF4L - been saying that for awhile about any trade for MIller that keeps ZMINUS in NY..Eventually ZBAD would have to go...And, yeah, i'm no huge fan of ZBAD but you can also tell he is a really well liked guy on the team/locker room...WHy I think if there is a non-ZBAD MIller trade, they will keep ZBAD through the end of the season and recoup in the off season

rf4L, agree, just can't see JT Miller and ZShit co-exist. As far as Kreider, me thinks he is gone either this year or after next, when his contract is up.

In thinking more seriously about that, if Miller started on Z, how would Kreider respond? I'm assuming he'd side with his Bromance Brother and what the hell would that do to the room? OMG, it's be a circus of chaos...

Meat and potatoes. LOL. Zfruit doesn't quite fit into that analogy, does he? They get Miller and keep Z, how long before those 2 are replicating what's going on between Miller and Pettersson?

Yeah and it got so bad as TD righty points out, that idiot Dreary coughed up a 2nd and a 5th to get Smith to play alongside the Bromance Brothers. And to what extent? That line is broken up now after achieving nothing but shit thanks in large part to the dramatic decline of Zpoo, a decline that started December 2023. Such incompetence.

"[J.T. Miller] is a player [#NYR] really covet. Everything I hear about what Chris Drury wants to do to reshape his team — he's looking for a different identity. Meat and potatoes is a term I've heard a lot." — @emilymkaplan

For all the reasons mentioned by TD, the Kakko trade is a disaster for this team. Just plain fucking stupid. The thing that pisses me off the most was how Kakko was deployed at the beginning of the 23-24 season. Lav made the decision, correctly, to start the season with Kakko on the right wing with Z and K. This was going to be Kakko's chance to play top line minutes. You all may recall that the line did not produce offensively as the season started, but they were playing very well defensively. They were a small plus overall, but were not putting up big numbers offensively. Kakko's big chance lasted all of the first 11 games of the season and then Lav pulled the plug and sent him to the third line. That move perfectly summed up the team's impatience with Kakko from day one. What a waste.

td...I'm 100% with you on the Kakko situation. Awful handling by the Rangers organization every way possible. Sad. Watching the games in Seattle, they talk about him like they've got Artemi Panarin skating around out there.. Heading to tonight's game at MSG...haven't been to a game in a few seasons, looking forward to it. Hoping the Twin Towers will be good for one! ;-)

Before the should have not traded KK is the should have played him in the top 6. By not doing so, they ruined his confidence and finally his desire to play for the Rangers. Mismanagement across 2 presidents/GMs and 3 coaches. You cannot make this shit up.

E - You're missing the point, re: KAKKO, which is that the Kraken are giving KAKKO the chance and the confidence the Rangers, through five fucking seasons, never did. They are putting him on a top line. They are giving him big minutes. And when he didn't immediately light the lamp after a couple of games, they stuck with it. He's got a higher ATOI with the Kraken than any point in his career with the Rangers. Getting almost 17 minutes a night now, with a minute and a half of PP time. Most he ever got with the Rangers...and mind you, he came in when they were allegedly "rebuilding"...was 15:27. He was averaging just over 13 when he was traded with less than a minute of PP time...The angering thing...which makes me see white hot rage when some idiot says 'that trade wasn't that bad...' is that some of us KNEW all KAKKO needed was a bit more ice and some confidence...and the even MORE frustrating part is that the same boob fans that were calling him a bust were the same boob fans that were calling LAFRENIERE a bust...right up until he got a regular assignment on the top line and extended minutes...the Rangers SAW what happened with him...and they STILL wouldn't expand KAKKO's role. Even when there was a CHANCE to expand it...what does the fuckhead GM go and do? He trades for SMITTY Jr. and hands that role to him...So pardon me if I'm calling bullshit here on the notion that 'it just didn't work out' for KAKKO. It didn't work out because this asshat organization never gave it a CHANCE to work out. The chances they DID give the kid, he took them and ran with them until sidelined by injury...So we got BORGEN. That's about as nice of a consolation prize as being the runner up in the Stanley Cup. We got a less talented player who is an unrestricted free agent. He's helping the team, sure. But he's no where near the type of talent as KAKKO was and will be into the foreseeable future. You're spit-shinning lump of shit if you're trying to say he was a nice acquisition...hey, percocets are a nice consolation for getting invasive surgery...but guess what? I'd just rather not get invasive surgery.

“I want to be a really good power forward one day,” Rempe said, “and I think that’s just gonna be a work in progress.”